[Music] Time is 10:01. We'll start the meeting. This is Friday, June 6, 2025. Development review committee meeting
for the conceptual site plan submitted by Mccardi Engineering on behalf of Harvard Classic Homes LLC. Is anyone recording today's meeting? See no mention of recording. So
I'll wave that. Move on to reading of the minutes from April 11th, 2025. hear a motion to wave accept the minutes. Second. All in favor say I. I. Say nay. Motion
passes. Moving on to the conceptual site plan for Harbor Classic Homes. I will pass it off to Wesley Cliss from Mccardi Engineering to um you know present present the plans.
So again, director Wesley Cardi Engineering here to represent Harvard Classic Homes. Uh Harvard Classic has been trying to develop this piece of property for about four years, maybe 5 years now since the initial application from the town uh for a cluster open
space residential subdivision with single family houses. Uh we went through uh at that point the building inspector uh pushed us toward the zoning board of appeals for access for that type of development. We went through the zoning
board of appeals. There was an approval and a denial of the two different departments in front of the ZBA. There was a court case that lasted quite a while. We never made it back to the ZBA. That time the ZBA approved both variances. After that happened, we went in front of the planning board almost actually two years ago now. I was
looking at my original plan. had been done dated July 2023. So we were in front of the planning board with a number of conceptual layout plans for a open space residential plan you know cluster housing 76 single family lots.
Um we were met with a lot of uh negative feedback from the board and obviously the neighbors which we expect from the neighbors but the the planning board um it was quite the I want to say 6 months of going back and forth with the planning board plan after plan never getting to somewhere that we could come
to some common ground. Um after that the developers uh tabled it for a little bit then they met with the mayor and a couple of the city councilors um that dealt with this area of the of the city. Um they were directed or pushed toward doing
senior housing. Uh the thought here is to do senior housing to have less impacts and the schools and the impact of the city services. Um also to allow other uh housing or the residents of disabled that we get residents of the
city to move here and that houses single family houses in the city open up for them was really what the you know the mayor was thinking doing this type of project. We obviously aware of the other senior housing project that's going on with the DLS over near the schools that's almost done. I believe I think
these goals are being done with that project. I think that's a similar thought there, right? Is to provide senior housing for the residents such that the single housing existing single houses free up the uh Harbor Classic Home is currently developing another piece of property in Robland, something
very similar to this where they're doing senior housing. Uh they have 142 units there and so they're taking from their experience um developing that and trying to uh create a development here in Gaga on this piece of property in the similar
uh type of units that they're end up building over there because they're seeing what the market is dictating for this type of units, you know, the single single store living um with the amenities that people are looking for, right? A little different model than that's currently going on up at the near the school over the
on the 101 over there. Right. So, the Nells are building their smaller single family homes. They're doing they wanted to do still very big units. um good size footprints, but it's all single story and living with it. There is the option to have basements on
these. Um I know in the run project they're doing right now, they do have a lot of basements on most of the units. The additional thought is to do slabing grade, but they're still getting feedback that people still want basements that have storage because that was like I one of the issues that I think that Dell's running into, right? It's a slab one grade smaller piece of
smaller units. They're running out of storage, right? When you when you move to a different home, you do have stuff coming with you, right? So, that's one of the thoughts they're having here is still they have basements as an option. Um, but I'm going to going to throw a little out the window right now. So, the the piece of propert we're looking at is
about uh a little over 89 acres. Um, a very small piece of the property is in single family residential. Um, most of the frontage or all the frontage is in general residential and then the remaining portion really the bigger piece of the property is in rural
residential. Um under the zoning um the senior housing for two family is allowed uh as per permissible in the single family which we are really not in other than for a small portion of the
road and grading for the roadway and then special permit through the planning board um on the other three districts being the general residential and the rural right. So we understand that we have to go through that process as we get a little further along. But we want to have this meeting uh in a conceptual manner with the developer review board
and then also with the planning board. We meet with them on Tuesday night. Um the attorney for the project and the developer will be there Tuesday night to present the same plan that you see in front of you tonight to the plan board and have conversations with them to see um what kind of feedback we can give them planning for this time around. So
what we're looking at is um 180 units out here 90 duplexes. They were we we tried to follow a similar roadway layout or similar model that we uh our last conceptual plan that we had for the
single family that really was directed by the plane board and the planner at that time. There was some previous plans done I would say almost 20 years ago that they really like the layout of it and so we've kind of follow along that same layout knowing that the plan would at least like the layer of streets and
having the you know a little bit of open space in between having that green space in between the units and not everything on top of each other. Um some of the iterations that we had shown them in the past the family layout did compress everything more to the middle but they didn't like the more compressed layout and so they were looking for some green
space in between. Um the land you see in front of you here, we're obviously trying to protect the wetlands. We're not showing any wetland filling. We're trying to respect obviously the 30 no touch zone that the city has and also not having any impact area within the 60 ft of the mountains. Um I do anticipate at least with regards to the layout that
you see in front of you today having some grading within that 30 to 60 ft zone um on some of the the lots in the upper portion here, Justin. Right. Um and maybe a little bit in the corner there depending where the drainage ends up. Um I know we do have
um small portion of flood plane comes onto the property in the corner but we're well away from all that. Um and then I know we're obviously close to it the reservoir in the upper right hand corner right so the what we call reservoir but uh so we tried keeping away everything away from that upper
right hand corner too right and obviously some others that protect the upper right hand corner. So, um, one of the integrations we show, we did show a couple units in there, but we thought it'd be best just to kind of move those out of there and kind of keep that buffer between the natural resource in that upper right hand corner in the development. Our two options for having
two two access points obviously one cent way um around the around the bend and the other one on Clark Street between uh the trins and property. Um during our previous conversations with the planning board, we did have some back and forth
with the owners about if we had proper access there and there was a lot of legal paperwork that went back and forth and um showed that we do have access on Clark Street because there was some uh disagreement about who owned that piece of property. the all the that the digits came back as being hyper classical that bought that property and that was
excluded from the the sales on the property that from the bigger piece of property those ANI were done we we do show um actually I believe it's 50T offset around the entire property where the zoning I think has called for 30 foot offset we were trying to keep a
50ft offset just to keep a little more buffer to the residents on Sentry Way knowing that that's was a sensitive area uh a little different this time around where um last time it was a single family lots, we were doing actual lots and so actually before we were given
property to these authors. Now it's going to condo association. So it's all going to stay under the association uh you know and the remaining land will all stay as open space. We are proposing u five roads. Uh the road that comes connects Clark Street Century Way
is 23500 ft in length. The secondary um longer culde-sac here is around 200 2,200 linear feet of roadway. Then we have some smaller other little roads where we have this road which is 300 ft.
This road here is 300 ft. And we have the uh culde-sac um the longer culdeac which is 570 ft and the smaller culdeac which is 220 ft. We are following with regards to the regulations for the southern control law regards to the width of the road and sidewalks and so
forth. Even though we're not doing subdivision roads, um because of the number of units, we're still going to have 24 foot wide pavement width. We'll have the BM. We'll have some the grass strip there between that and the sidewalk. Um and then we'll have um you know, the parking will be in
front of the units. Each unit will have their own garage. There'll be enough parking for each of the units. One of the things we also show as part of this and I know um one of the things that Dave was mentioning early on was the product of Florida and how they all have
their own community centers similar to what these guys are doing in Rutland. They do have their own community center loc centrally located within the development. Um and so like I said this is they're kind of following along the same um footprints that they were looking at in Rutland
where like I said they're at 142 there and they're similar size community center and that's what they're looking at um demand on what the community center would be and that's where they come back is the size that is needed for the size of community is 3,000 ft. Uh we do show the driveway at the community
center and some parking around the community center and we have some room there if we need to expand parking if they if they feel that they need more parking. One of the things I don't show in the plan but we will be including as we get going on this is we will show uh trails throughout here. That was some of the conversation that we had with the
planning board on the open space project was to have some walking trails out here and we will have walking trails. I know there's a fair amount of open space that the North County land trust owns and I don't I think the city turned was it the land trust finally get the culde-sac that didn't get built is that who bought
that is that county right north county finally bought that culac so I know that was some conversation there to tie into the trails as best we can with our adjacent to this to expand out of the trail system and so that is something that we will do as we get further along in a design process but our thought now
is and really from the plane board standpoint know and the push back that we got from them is to get a plan in front of them with what we're looking at for a layout and number because that was that was really the big argument last time was the layout and the density and and the impact of the city on in the
neighborhood, right? So, uh, we didn't get too much further into, uh, the nitty-gritty about the open space and what's going to happen with the trims and how they're going to be laid out because until we get a a layout of the roads and the units and stuff like that that is agreeable by the planning board, we kind of see that as all a waste at
this point to, you know, get too much into the details until we can have a number of units and the number of roadways that we should have out here. Uh, but we obviously want to get from the board. Obviously in the DPW we know we want we want to tie it to the inducible sewer. We want to tie it to the municipal water. We'll have a
drainage system here consistent catch basins and and detention basins. Uh like I said it's going to be an association. It's going to be a private development. So they'll own the driveways and the uh infrastructure within the development. We're well aware that the way just
repaved last year notes. So, and by the time we saw it and I was telling the my clients, give you guys a call cuz I knew it was getting paid in like two weeks and they never got holding in time to get it trying to get it stuff off the road. Um,
and so they well aware this is a 5year moratorum. My brother and I actually talked about this right after it got paved and that we I like told them your process with regards to because you pay entryway u but we also know there's sewer also clock street so this isn't going to happen this year obviously
construction wise um I don't see this happening next year construction wise by the time all the permits get in hand and by the time these guys get moving out here to construct it this is probably a couple years out is my guess um we could phase in May that we get time for the clock street sewer first get some of that development done And by that point,
hopefully the 5 years is up and we can tie into the super century way and it's just a matter of going in front of and and that's what Rob explain to me how the process going in front of the consult and get that approved. It's not a huge deal. Yeah. And so when we get to
that point, we know hopefully we get to that point that we can have those conversations but and go get in front of that committee. But we are aware of those those issues. Um, obviously the intent is to loop the water between the two streets and then loop it as much as we can. And then here we have a couple dead ends with the culde-sacs where we
loop water as much as we can to obviously kept with water quality. Once the development's built out with especially this number of units, the water's going to be flowing out here, right? So, um, I know the demand's a little less with over 55 and the number of people out here, but it's definitely enough to I think the water
quality shouldn't be an issue. But, um, those are some of the things that we we want to work out with you as we go further down the road. Um, I hope that because it's an associated condo association, uh, that obviously you guys don't have to not have to take the install. I hope that
takes care of some of the very you guys have reviewed, make sure it's done correctly and and installed correctly. At least the maintenance of a lot of that doesn't come on the city, right, with a development of this kind. So, um, those are things that we think of um, at least of a benefit of this type of
project instead of a single family development. One of the huge issues I see on this is the road width. Um, you're going to have snow storage in the winter. You got a 26 foot wide road. You can't even park the car in the road. So, and our city ordinance requires a 28. So, I know you're looking at
subdivision, but our ordinance requires 28. So, if they're in a snowstorm, they're going to pull their cars out. They're going to park the street. If there's an emergency, we're not getting and that's fine. And that's why, like I said, I was going by the subject to know that the order is different. And that's fine.
One of the things to to that point too, Wes, is if I'm reading this correctly in the zoning that there's one guest space required for every three units. Um, yeah, and that was something that we're going to talk to them about because I I think we've done some other housing proposals in the town, but they're more
of a assisted living complexes where like I can understand about one or three units. So, that's where we're going to talk to the plane to see how many how many spaces they really would want. I guess the well what I see here is because of the roadway width and um assuming one parking space in the
garage, one in the driveway. Um typically you have some people who don't use the garage and they park on the street or they have guests. Um so there's not a lot of space for parking outside of the driveway. So you know in my head I see spark sprinkled around the
development of few spaces here and there wherever you can grab some. Yeah. And that I guess that's where to be honest with you is when we get from the plan board, I'm sure there's going to be a negotiation on the number of units, right? And so when we get to the number of units, then we'll have the number the number of guest spaces that we're going
to need. If it's 60 right now, which right now it's 60. Yeah. If it gets down to 50, say, just right, whatever the number gets to, then we can start sprinkling around where we're going to need them. Then we can start making those common parking lots where we need to have the visitor parking lots. I mean, I'm not pushing for more purpose area, but
and that was the concern I I didn't want to make a parking lot of 60 spaces that doesn't get used either, right? So, we got to I think we got to be smart about where this goes. And um and so there is some with the room. That's why I always said we're we're in a conceptual stage for a reason to let's get these things on the table and find out what we need
and what we don't need. Right. So, and just speaking on behalf of I know fire isn't here today, but just doing some research there, you know, for bumper swing clearance for for 20 in 20in bumpers, extended bumpers is is 40T 40T
I 40T 9 40t 9 in. So, I have a copy of the if you want to. Yeah. And so, when we so when we would Yeah. We'll show them that they can get in and around with their fire trucks. trucks in the culde-sac is to the the
size that the city requires. Um it's big enough to handle the fire trucks in and around. The entrances are designed the intersections are designed to the city requirements. Yeah. But to the point that Dane makes like you know the roads aren't wide enough especially in some of these tighter
turns in order to get emerged EMS vehicles through. Um, you know, there are a couple culde-sacs in order, especially ones that, you know, I think they're all 50 foot uh pavement radiuses for for turning there, but I'm just definitely worried about some of the some of the turns and some of these
other other uh ways in terms of getting EMS vehicles um through there um inclusive of the the community center uh as well. Um, that's fine. And I didn't show a connection for that out to the other street, but we can show a
connection on the secondary access out there. Uh, again, we when we do this, we try limiting pavement as much as we can. But if we need to get up to 28 to meet the city requirements, that's what we have to do. It's yeah, we're not we're not going to argue about the the width of the road or and we'll make sure that
we provide that during movement sketch that you can we can show the fire department that we can handle their larger scale. That's That's easy enough. As far as the water and sewer, I'm going to ask um we're going to have to look at the water
demand and the sewer capacity. Um we're going to have to we'll submit a proposal from Taylor Howard who was our hydraulic and take a look at that for water and sewer. And I know that's I was going to ask you too is I know you guys had done a decent amount of improvements already right to the sewer system and I know
talking to you in the past about some of the other projects we were trying to do that was always a concern right with the capacity. So, yeah. And this goes right under Parker's pond, which is Yeah. Yeah. Which I still have your old plan issue and that's what I remember seeing all the red on that plan, right? Cuz
I know you've already said that, you know, the conversation about how many units this will eventually be will be a conversation for the planning board. Um, keeping in mind that, you know, I I don't think most of the abutters, you
know, are they're not going to fight for the way that it's it's currently presented. They're not going to be happy with more than five. I mean, let's let's but, you know, we have to go with them with the numbers in terms of in terms of traffic,
you know, proposed traffic. And you know, they're all single family owned homes that are going to be largely affected by it on Century Way, you know, so the amount of traffic proposed, you know, is is is really going to be mindful when we if we
were to get to to public hearings um for there because, you know, as it is now, I know we're within the amount of lot coverage in terms of the amount of proposed density of of less than four. Yeah, we're half of the density and that's and and and we've had that
argument with the plane board is it's not only single family, it's multif family over there too, right? So, it's a mix of everything over there. Uh we had the conversation about the density of the existing lots over there too with the plane board density person versus all the area that that adjacent century
weight project. So, this is not not necessarily new to us with regards to what their their issues are going to be. Um and so that then we're ready to have that conversation on Monday, but then we're expect some perspective. Yeah. I mean just because you know the fact that
we can't take the wetlands area in we take it into account in terms of the total area. It it's every square footage that could be put could have units put into it has been, you know, we have a
green space in the middle, but it's it's all the available area that could be built upon, you know, is is being built upon. You know, we we have to, you know, by ordinance take into all the area that we can't, which is a lot of wetlands, you know, it takes up a good
portion of the area. Um you know but you know if if this were to go in front of planning board like as it is now as in terms of a like preliminary plan like outside of conceptual um it won't fly well and and
I I can tell you we meet all the requirements about open space percent of y we meet all those numbers we well exceeded those numbers we are half the density out here uh we understand that yes the neighbors aren't going to be haven't done anything. They weren't
hatching single family houses, which would have been better for their their property value. The houses that were being proposed up there were bigger than the houses that are existing out on Centry Way. We still caught feedback that was negative because they don't want development behind that property. Nobody does. Doesn't matter where, what
town we're in, and what neighborhood we're in. Nobody wants development behind that property. We understand that. Slowly. Well, listen, that good is still in front of the city right now because we'll be second worse in the list. I I will say this, we did have a traffic report already done for the other project. Traffic report came back
fine. We'll update that as we get going with this. Um Clock Street is I mean I know a couple areas along Clock Street that site distance may be an issue further down the street, but at least in this area and even on Century Way like they came back that the traffic impact for the prior development wasn't an
issue. I think there was some minor signage that the really it was the recommendations of that. So we we've already ahead of the game with regards to the traffic analysis. already done some of that work and we will update it as we go on with this development once we get to a number that um is agreeable
to everybody in the you know that's that's new with us right the plan board and the applicant right so um but that that's the thought there right is still update that but they're fully aware that traffic is going to you know at least concern and and I will tell you is when we were in front of them before
they may have tracked a little bit but it was they were just surprised like it was basically most of the conversation. They didn't want anything going on out there. Um, so and from the weapon standpoint, we we're trying to stay away from weapons as best as we can with this. That's the whole
point of any of these projects being this or the open space is to protect the weapons and that's what we're trying to do is protect the weapons as part of this this project. So, we're not we're not showing crossings. We're not, you know, there's no filling out here, nothing like that. We're trying to respect the 30 foot and 60 foot um but
still compete development that provides the city with housing. Which is the mayor's biggest point is she's trying to provide housing, right? And this is why he pushed the developers for this this type of development. Are these going to be sold or leased?
They'll be sold. So each will be sold. Yep. But so long at the condo association, they all they all have. So be senior housing. So like and leave if it's this setting, it's one out of 180. They all leave. So right they all have a part of the association and that's what they're
doing around. So you know if uh the projects under construction, but you kind of see some of the units that are being out there uh being built up there that actually it's a little tighter uh because they didn't have the auction. They had a lot more environmental restrictions up there. old state hospital that used to be in Portland. They tore down the the the town's
redevelopment. That's what they're doing as student housing up there. Same type of units though. Same same thought where it's a single single story living. Um they've had a ton of offers on the units and they're selling for a lot more money than I expected to be selling for because it's a little closer to western
and kind of draws a different demographic in in Rland, right? But um but you can more than willing to take a ride out there because it's under construction so it's a little tougher to see because there's not a lot of grass growing right now. Yeah, they have to go through the gate and go fur further in. Well, they're
only they've only built the first I want to say 12 units up. I think as you drive so it's you can get in there's no gate up into the development so you can get into the development but they I want to say it's the first 12 or so units are up and so the only thing that's the only
thing that delayed that is national grid. They had to wait in a year for National Grid to get them electricity up there, which still So they would have already had probably 20 to 25 units up and running, but they literally had to wait for National Grid. So I think you're losing a lot of units. If
you make a 28 foot wide road, add your drainage, add snow storage. We haven't even talked about that. There's no place to put snow here. You're too too congested. Yeah, you're taking a lot of these units out of here. I can show you the pling board as presented right now.
Yeah, like I said, they're they're anticipating push back from the plate board. You can't have a 24 foot. Have an emergency response. You have to have no parking. We're not we're not debating the 24 and 28. We'll give you the 28. Then if the 28 requires us
reducing the number of units, that's what happens. It's no parking during a snowstorm, we'll pull out the street, clean their lot. So, yeah. Well, this you're not planning this. So, at least there's that. But emergency vehicles get What what are they going to do with
trash and recite then? They haven't I'm not sure what they're doing. I'll ask what they're doing. Private site. I don't think the city if it's owned by condo association they would be handling it. Can they senior housing to So you feel the need for storage areas type. So
I think in the run that they're doing individual totes, but I'll ask. So they're hiring private contractor to but I'll double check. So, so the developer, uh, he will be at the meeting on Tuesday, but I'll make sure he But I'll ask him. Yeah. I mean, I'm just picturing all the the out on the curb.
Yep. Which is fine, but I don't think the city I don't know how that works. If they pay their trash feed. Yeah. Like everybody else does. Like, you know, Right. We all
Yeah. Because how are you going to meter this with a master meter? Oh, the individual meters for each. That's the Yeah, that's true. So, they all have their own service, right? And yeah, separate water. Yeah.
So, you get their own bill, right? And so, it would have their own right. I get my water bill has a trash with it. So, yeah. Whether do you go do you collect trash on Pinewood Drive? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, one more reason to have the road water, but
yeah. like is it there's I think at the very beginning isn't there a uh dumpster unit on the summit to look mailboxes that's the other thing yeah I know they
had they had to work with the post office they actually I think they did the mailbox on that one at community center I think that was what the um resulting thing was on mailbox was that the community is they had to put a central mailbox uh pad out
of the at the behind the parking space in the community center and so you would just come up pull your pull out the parking space you mail and go back or golf carts and people in golf carts that would be like having a post office box the same thing out on Dell's development they have a
central nail That was something we added. Have you thought of golf cart? Maybe just a wider sidewalks for golf carts. I I don't know if I'll ask them if they start to see that. I'll ask if they've seen that demand. I'll ask them. Yeah, I'll ask that question.
Well, it's I will say it's it's funny you say that because the Harvard Classic there's like four parties that we deal with and the senior member which is just from the street. You know, Jim from Lemonster, he did some of the stuff over uh Mayor Hill across the street there.
Um so he lives in Florida. He develops down in Florida and so a lot of the conversations we have this is what we do in Florida. This is what because he sees them all right. So this is what his question playing cards instead of driving cars. is going to reduce parking
on the street as well. Yeah. And there won't be any As far as you're concerned and that your clients have discussed, there's no intent to ever have the the roadways taken by the city. So
the problem is if we make it a roadway, then we have a process. Well, yeah. Then we have to make it public. We have to do it right away. Yeah. You still actually need a 50 foot right away according to the ordinance. That's another thing. If you look up 567-8, it's in the city specs which is here to adapt the city
specifications. It's in there. So whether you wave that or how you do that for the city housing uh in our city specifications which is under the city code in specs to call for a 50ft rightway and a 20 28 foot
can't change here. I don't think so. It's it's not a street though. It's it's just a driveway in the development. That's a street you're driving a vehicle. It's a public way. It's not a public way. It's a driveway. It's a driveway. Driveway. It's a driveway. We can This could be discussed. Well, if
it's a common driveway, you don't two houses on a common driveway. Well, this that that was in place when you were around is the one I can't think of. Was it Kylie Court? Was it Kylie Way behind Anthony Slickers? Yes. There's no right away. Right. But that is a conduct development. And then the one over here
you guys that uh I don't know when this ordinance was adopted though. might have been because of Patty's way that ordinance was changed before. It's in there. I know. All right. Well, I think we'll So, the research areas were those those
were were those extracted or were those thoroughly deleted? Thoroughly deleted. Okay. Thoroughly deleted. Okay. Yeah. So, that was actually one of the conversations I've been having with these guys about having them just do an Okay. sooner than later. Okay. Just we have it in place so we can have you walk
and see. Yeah. Cuz we actually did a site walk with the plane board two years ago. We're a year and a half ago now. And then uh at that time the agent at the time came up with us too. Okay. Another one she recommended to them was to do the the right right just to
solidify it so we know when we do the definitive plan. Yeah. And obviously I have to take you know some of the things that I see on the map with you know a grain of salt because you know um but you know from what I see off some of the state mappings out there. Um it
shows you the center point of some of these wetlands especially this north eastern corner. They chose them as potentially [Music] behind if you look at map, right? There's no dark blue lines out here. There's And
that's Yeah. Yeah. Cuz Yeah. Obviously that makes a big difference because you know that changes from from you know just regular BZ to area and then you have the other the other thing that I
found um potential CP right over here kind of thing. Um like I might have to do some research to figure out if we can. So I know we could potentially do another side where we can potentially kind of figure that
out. Yeah. So Mary. Okay. So she'll be the one that should be now. So So yeah, that's what the intention I was supposed to have with these guys early. I was going to take the notes from the meeting from today and then
also that was part of our one of our items on the list is talk about an amradate that in the process. So, okay, I will tell them that you're we're better off just doing that and then right then there's no surprises here.
Yeah, where the potential CBP is. Uh so potential CVP right about where do you see the concave portion that puzzle piece it's probably about like 60 ft up should be back here I think
right probably starts like right here now y verification that's actually there or not Yeah. No, I mean I think there's lots of stuff that will come up during the
course of design and permit review, but um looping water I think interior the culdeacs over here just so that you know you can reduce a dead end there. That's and that that color the blue color sack may be gone when we're all
said and done, right? So, who cares? And so, what I would say is once we get to and the planning board will tell us and Jason, hopefully you can help us direct us to is um once we get to I guess a number that works for everybody and whatever that number is and a layup that
works for every we'd like to submit a preliminary plan with a special permit just for this senior housing just to be able to say that we have the special permit before we do a dependent plan. Mh. Because if we don't get the special permit, we're going to waste we'd waste a ton of money doing a full design. And if once that special permit is approved,
then we could at least say, "Here's our approved layout." I can go sit down with Rob and Dane and say, "Okay, what do you want the water and the sewer?" And, you know, this is what we're looking at. What do you you want any additions to it? And we can have those conversations before we come back with a site plan
approval u application for that that project. Just I hate to do a full design plan and not get a special permit, right? Uh with a definitive site plan approval. Waste your time. Correct. And just knowing how
everything's gone to this date and like said we're at 40 years and we we don't have anything, right? So I don't want to keep wasting money to get somewhere that we we don't they can't get approved. So I'd rather have positive conversations and then get to something that everybody
can stay behind. Yeah. I think you guys will make a presentation on Tuesday to the rest of the planning board. Yeah. And that and that so that we'll we'll discuss. Yeah. And I'm sure it's going to be Wednesday, right? It's going to be density, density, density and and that's fine. Attorney came will be there to present the plan and the client's going to be there also. So Julie will be there
and they're they've been there through the whole thing from day one with the building in structure. So they they have all the history of the project. So they're going to be and they're expecting to have that conversation. So, okay. In the meantime, we're going to have a conference call with them and I'll go over all the items that came up today just so they're aware of some of
these items. Okay. And then hopefully after Tuesday, we have a better direction where we go. So, any other comments for anyone else? Concerns have been addressed. That I'll entertain a motion to journ.
All in favor say I. I. I. Appreciate your time. Time is 10:38. [Applause]