of the special a research committee to order. The assistant clerk will please call the role. Councelor Dowitz, >> present. >> Councelor Heath, >> present. >> Councelor Hegel, >> present. >> Councelor Kazinskis, >> present. >> Councelor Matt, >> present. >> Uh, announcement of open meeting
recordings. The open meeting recording notice is on the wall over there. Does anyone hear recording other than staff? Hear none. On to the first item of business. conduct scheduled interviews. Um we do have um candidate here Beth
Murphy. Um I would like to start this by introducing around the table. Councelor Judy Mack. >> Hi. >> Okay. Let me write this down. Can I get a list later? >> Sure. >> Council Judy Mack, Council Dana Heath, HR Director Morris. >> Nice to meet you.
>> Assistant Clerk J. Kumari. >> Councelor Brad Heglin and Council Elizabeth. time for a while. Thank you for coming here. >> Thank you for having me. >> Um just to make it clear, the role of this [clears throat] committee is to
make a recommendation to the full council of um who to hire. There's an election um of the full council at a later date. >> Okay. >> But just a brief overview of the role. The city auditor is one of the three position uh in the city elected and
reporting to the city council. The other two on the city clerk and the city treasurer slashcolctor position works under the direction of the city council president functioning as an independent municipal officer accountable to the council specifically under the oversight of the finance
committee. Uh the job does require attendance to periodic afterhour meetings to support the city. And while the audit auditor works regularly with the mayor and department heads to address budget questions and financial planning, the role remains distinct in his responsibility to provide neutral
fact-based financial guidance. We do have preset questions that we're asking every one of the candidates that we're interviewing. We did provide you a copy of those as well, some multiple sections so it may be easier to reference to start asking. >> Thank you. No problem.
>> I'll put these on now. Sure. Um I'll kick off the questions. Um why do you want to work for an auditor for this municipality and what draws you to gardener? >> Um I live in Lunenburgg and I'm familiar
with gardener and you know it was it's close and I wanted to do something a little different. I've been in not forprofit and in similar roles for a while and um I haven't worked for a
municipality which I'm hoping is an okay thing. You know, I can get up this stuff and uh so I uh I thought it would be a challenge and it would be interesting. >> Okay. Um and what is your understanding of the role of a municipal auditor?
>> Okay. I've been looking that up and plus Amanda sent me the job description. The job description is rather long, so I wasn't like totally sure, but when I looked up under. Um, is that
this position would be the I was going to use the word caretaker, but the person who is going to audit and make sure that at least that the I think it's the top thing accounts payable is, you
know, handled. How do they say that it followed the law and it was um I'll add have proper backup paperwork. It was planned for it was signed. You
know those kinds of things before I'm assuming this position writes up a warrant and then would submit it for payment. So that plus um they said that in the job description that uh
I keep get you know getting like trying to think of their wording but that the um software the MUN software that it would be up to me to you know take care of I guess any upgrades or anything like that. So I enjoy learning new software
and so you know I thought that would be an interesting part also supervising too. I I uh like working with people like working as a team and I like mentoring people and and I believe in
sharing information. And it it no matter where you work, I think it really helps the organization because it helps them other people feel like they're learning something and also um you know as information spreads those
people can be more beneficial to uh the city. Um what else? The budget and also monitoring the budget. Um, one of the things I know it's in said talking to department heads um about the budget.
So, you know, just from my experience, I'm thinking, okay, budget analysis from what the actuals are and keeping track of what people are spending and making sure they're staying within budget. And I've done that before and I've worked with
department heads, so I feel um comfortable with that. Let's see what else. also checking on cash receipts. Um, I wrote down some stuff here, but I don't want to be looking. Um,
there were some recordings. I know it said something about u shy deposits and I don't know if there's any um recordings of um um
properties or something like that but I I know I read something about recording something. So to me, an auditor is the person who is going to be looking at all the different aspects of accounting. And on the job description, it said like
signing up on payroll and then making sure that those dollars are what they're supposed to be. It's you were following and in this case the new thing for me would be any municipal rules and city rules and um and making sure that we're
spending our you know the taxpayers money the way we're supposed to be send spending it. So I would assume like when I get different a requests for checks that you know I'll be checking and seeing if they you know were things that
were talked about in the budget except for maybe smaller items but um you know a little flexibility there. It said that also that they they the job wants you to have a um uh
be comfortable making decisions and and I am so and I'm not reckless. I mean I think it out and you know I would definitely check anything I could check especially in the beginning of this job. But you know I'm not I'm not I don't shy
away from that. That does that that's fine with me. >> Is that enough? >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Can you tell them I went I went through and I'm like wow I think it was four pages. >> A very long job. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. But then when I looked up online,
you know, they kind of shorten stuff up. So >> next up is council. >> Thank you. So um part of the role of the auditor is to help develop and manage the city budget. um have you had any experience and if so how large of a
budget have you had to oversee? >> Yeah, I've had on smaller not for profits where I've developed the budget and you know I understand um some places are better than others on on getting all that detail down. But if
it's um a larger organization like I didn't know the city budget but um then I think my my experience would be more that getting information from different departments and putting it
together. And of course, when you're new, compare it to last year's and see, you know, like did one department have a $100 budget and all of a sudden they're asking for$10,000, you know, so check things like that and then putting together the revenue and expenses. Um,
so I am comfortable. I have done that. >> Have you had to develop financial policies and make res recommendations in the budgeting process? Um well usually I'm used to what a whole set of accounting policies because you're following GAP
>> and I would assume policies following state and city. >> You're right. >> So yeah so I would have to make sure that it followed those but um you know I would hope that I I have those policies. I have set up accounting procedures and
I have um helped streamline in different jobs like you know not that I come in and say oh I'm I know a better way but as you're working with people you know you softly say oh could we try something like this and so I I like helping
because I think that it you know makes someone understand their job and make it easier. I'm not going to change something for the sake of changing just so it's more efficient and people [clears throat] can follow it. >> So you've had experience like supervising and utilizing an accounting system that works for
>> Yeah. Yeah. And learning new ones. I'm I'm comfortable with that. >> Um have you would you please tell us your experience with um reconciling accounts cash balances with like in the city it would be with other departments.
Um, oh, okay. What I'm used to when I analyze, I'm analyzing, you know, GL account balances. I'm looking at revenue. I'm looking at expenses. But one of the things that is very important and sometimes some people aren't aware
is like the balance sheet accounts. So, you have to make sure that that those are all clean. And usually I when I start a job, I take a look at those to see what's around and and start. But in, you know, in terms of month-to-month reconciliations,
you know, you do the cash reconciliation and there'd be certain items that you actually have like a separate reconciliation form that you could fill out. And um I'm sure you guys have fixed assets. So there should be like a whole
another ledger not not separate from the GL but tracking that and then you in the GL you make sure that both of them balance the same with cash receipts and that kind of thing. Do you have any experience working with um employee
benefits for example health insurance trust anything like that with >> I have worked with um 403bs and health insurance I I've participated in meetings I haven't had to be the top person to do it in a little while but I
have done that I've had to talk to different insurance companies and you know come up with the information and then talk to the executive a director about it and you know make suggestions. When I was at Boston Healthcare for the Homeless, which is very big, um we
wanted to start a new with some new 403b company. So I was part of that team that listened to people's talks and you know discussed it with everybody and then came up with a recommendation. So So yeah, I've done that. I've talked
to insurance companies >> um for liability, property insurance, you know, that kind of thing. >> What auditing um software or systems are you familiar with? Are you familiar with working with you mentioned Munis or
Excel? What are your um your computer? >> Usually I have like um a financial software. So the last two companies I worked at, they had just switched to um Microsoft Dynamics called Business
Central. >> And that was interesting because it's a little bit unusual. It doesn't have all the usual accounting language. So but once you get past the hung, it's fine. I've also for a lot of time have used
Quickbooks and I've also used um this was a Sage software product which is had makes different financial softwares and then they split off um the not for profit it's the same it's you know it's
accounting but way back when fund accounting was handled differently and that's why they set up this MIP but MIP went to a separate company called Ailla so when the last number of years. Those are, you know, um the main three I've
used a lot. I haven't used MUN because that would only be in a municipality. So, >> and you're pretty proficient in Excel. >> Are you proficient with Excel? >> Yes. Yes. And also I find it's great and working with a team because I might
have tips and tricks that I learned and they might have tips and tricks that they learned and it's nice to, you know, share that. But yeah, had to do um I use I don't use the pivot tables that much. I use more um
uh what are they calling it? Subtotalling to you know so you can crunch data you know get a a large print out and then get it down to a summary like for for a payroll journal entry >> to get all the same coding down into one
line to make the journal entry easier. So, I'm down comfortable with that. >> I don't love Word. I use it, but I don't love Word. >> Understandable. Thank you. Um, switching things a little bit, could you describe a particularly complex audit that you've
conducted and what that went through, what the process was, and how you successfully sort of completed it or closed it out. Okay. I I've had um a couple of different experiences, but [snorts] I would say I'll go back to the first one
I've handled all by myself and I was with Campfire Boys and Girls and I came in and the accountant, the I don't know finance director or CFO that was there was gone. But I hadn't done a
soup to nuts interview um audit before. outside companies. So, I'm going back over the old audit, but I thought I had to do more financial statements than I had to do. So, I went and did them. But, it was a great learning process. And,
you know, I I didn't have to do that again. But, it also helped me know like, you know, you're not going to find all the little stuff. You have to really tear apart the balance sheet for that. But at least you find things that are like, "Oh, wait a second. that doesn't make sense or you're comparing it to the
budget or to last year. So that was hard because I was really flying solo. A lot of times in not forprofits um it depends on the size of thing, but the
a lot of times the executive director isn't really accounting savvy. So it's not like you're going to walk up to them and just sit down and start to explain. you know, you're you got to like pull it apart even more to say, you know, try to find a way to explain it that it makes
sense. Cuz I one time I had an executive director that the balance sheet hadn't been cleaned up in 10 years and she had a really hard time trying to understand why that was important. Her experience with the county was she used to own a
store so she was really just expense revenue expense revenue. So that was that was a tough thing for her. So, but the uh treasurer helped me with that one. [laughter] Treasurer on the audit committee.
>> How do you go through explaining like a complicated financial situation to someone who doesn't have financial background? >> Well, I Excuse me. I've had the flu like three weeks ago, but I still have a runny nose, so excuse me. Um,
what I try to do is I try to break it down to something that that person might relate to. Um I that's HR stuff so but I won't but I
don't know if the person cuz like I don't know football but if the person you know likes to play card games or something like that try to think of some way to introduce okay I have the deck of cards I have to separate them how can I
do that you know like try to like lead them through if it's not working, you could try another way. But sometimes I just use very uh familiar analogies and and it seems to help a lot. Um I
remember I was with the United Way for a long time in Seattle. I lived in Seattle for a little while and um the HR guy said to me, "So I don't have any more budget than that. So can I use the budget from this?" And I said, "No, you
can't, but I'll try to explain why." You know, then if if you really need $1,000 for supplies and you don't need $1,000 for mailing, you want to put it in the right space because when you do the
budget next year, you're going to know that this was more realistic number because sometimes you don't know. I didn't do the budget so I don't know what you know they might have taken last year's number and added on 3%. But you know they might have a special mailing
or you know something like that. I mean today you have more emails but it's just an example. So you know you don't you know you don't go in and just tell them you know you try to establish you know you want to be able to talk to the different department heads. So you
establish that and and uh what makes sense and and I I've been comfortable. I mean, some people know their budgets and and know them really well, but other people, you know, I just tried to say, well, if you're going to be the manager, it would really help if I could help you
understand this. You know, try to do it like that because they really do have to know their budgets. And you know, sometimes their bosses don't push that, but you just if you're going to manage, just like if you're going to manage, you have
to sign payroll every week or every other week. It's one of those uh things that it's a pain in the neck, but you know, you got to get done. >> Thank you. And then uh any general knowledge, I guess, with state laws and regulations that might pertain to this role. Do you have familiarity
familiarity with state laws and regulations about auditing practices? I haven't worked in municipalities. So I looked up there was a couple of things they said would be nice to have but there's a certificate of government management accounting >> and so it said you know you can you can
get that but I didn't know how long that took and I you know figured I I didn't know if I'd ask today or just ask is that something I can I can do you know either in my spare time or a little bit every day. And also I was looking up how
cuz it said something about this position has to be aware of any new um laws and things like that. So I'm I'm thinking well if I if this is a pretty independent role where am I going to get that from? But I saw it on.gov it said
it sends out that information. I forget the name of it. Sorry about that. >> But um so I said oh okay that makes sense. And then I figured, well, if you're in the job, you'll find out if other people get this information too or who who need if it just goes to the
order, who else needs that? That kind of thing. So, yeah. And like with AP, depending unless there was something really special or um a capital project, you know, I can look at the other AP
that, you know, was similar and and see, well, what are they doing? What are they using for backup? and then trying to make that make sense with the law. So because wherever you work again people are not as you know but you have to have
the backup you know and you shouldn't be paying bills with with no backup no signatures that kind of thing. That's why you get audited every year. It doesn't always go that smooth, but um you know, so I figured it would be similar, but there'll be very specific
guidelines, but in accounting there's very specific gap guidelines. So, um generally accepted accounting principles just in case. I know some people know, but other people might not. >> Well, thank you so much. Appreciate it.
>> All right. Um so, I know you just touched up on this with this question. However, uh we're at question number seven. How do you ins I'm sorry, six. How do you stay updated with changes in auditing standards and regulations?
>> Um yeah, when when I was like like a CFO of a smaller organization, well, I would go to the not for-p profofit accounting conferences every year. The bigger the organization, sometimes they don't want to spend, believe it or not, it's the other way
around. they don't want to spend the money. So, you're talking to the auditors about what's different. A couple of years ago, lease accounting changed quite a bit. So, everybody was talking about it. In Seattle, I looked around here. I didn't find it yet, but
in Seattle, there was a group of they were mostly CPAs, but I could go and we'd meet once a month and we could discuss these topics so you could, you know, keep up on it. But usually I'll talk to the auditors and say, "Okay, um
you know what's new?" And most people with the leases are getting software and you put the lease in the software and get the software to help you come up with the numbers that you need. But I I don't know what the city does cuz I
don't know if you own more things or you have a ton of leases or but that would all be stuff you could find out. >> All right. hopefully when you get there. >> Question seven. Um, how do you ensure compliance with state and local
regulations? >> Well, like I like I said before, that would be the thing that I'd have to learn. So, if that certificate sort of helps with the beginnings, there's got to be writeups or they they said there was a a book or a a group of what the
compliances are, state, federal, local. So, you know, so I figured I would have that as as guidelines, too. I mean, in accounting sometimes you have to look up because you're doing the a lot
of the same thing every year and you know, sometimes you you need to get a little refresher in there. So, that's why I thought this job would be a challenge because the municipal part would really be something new and different.
>> Awesome. Thank you. Uh so question number eight is what is your experience if any with governmental accounting standards board and you've mentioned GAP many times but if you want >> well yeah I haven't the the only thing
like with the government and a lot of not for profofits have government grants so I know that you know when you're audited the federal money has to be separate from the state money or if it's um federal money that went through the state that has to
But you have to have a certain amount of dollars of those governmental monies to have a special um separate audit. I think it's called an A133. And um so that would be the government
standards or government standards according to like if you were working with Department of Education, what is the standards of the contract that you have with them? So what information do they need? so you can get paid. That's where I learned about warrants, too.
Calling them up and said, "Well, we didn't put in for the warrant yet." And I'm thinking, "Warrant, what?" >> You know, [clears throat] but um and uh some government contracts are more complicated than others, but GAP um I have my BS in accounting and I do have a
little more than half of my masters. And then I moved from where I was living to Seattle and they wanted me to start all over again. Right. Just moneywise it was hard. So, but you know, um, keeping up with the gap, like I was saying before,
is important because, you know, there's things that change and the auditors, the outside auditors, if if I'm not going to a conference or something, you know, would be the people that I probably say, "Okay, what what
new rulings, what new fazies they're called? came up. [clears throat] Um there's there's another group of like I think it's SAS but you know what what's new and different that would change things for me this year so I can learn about it.
>> Thank you. Uh the next question is what are the most important skills an excellent auditor should possess? Um, I would say sort of you you have to know your accounting, but if you're a good
auditor, you also have to sort of um read a situation. not like checking an AP, but like something new comes up and all of a sudden somebody's talking to you about a sher bond, you know, and so
sort of, you know, I would listen everything, but if it's the first time I'm ever hearing that, I'm going to want to do my due diligence to find out, well, who really is supposed to be asking? I wouldn't say that to the person, but you know, do some background. Who who is supposed to be asking for them and what are they asking
for? and how do I know this is the correct thing and you know look up. Um so I think an important thing for an auditor to sort of be be aware and and and you're paying attention to details but
you're also just paying attention to the whole um situation that comes in front of you. I had a if you want a story I worked um for a retailer once. This is way back
and they sent us all out different accountants to different stores to audit the inventory. So they're doing the retail inventory. And so what they didn't tell me, and I was a lot younger, that this was a problem store,
but like the store manager was avoiding me and and stuff like that. So I, you know, well, the next thing, not the next thing, a couple hours had gone by because they have to close the store down and he wants to open it, but that's not really what was going on. But he
opened the store before the order was declared over. So I knew right away. I called up my boss back in uh Massachusetts and hey, you know, he goes, "Okay." He goes, "We we knew that something might happen." I go, "Oh,
good." Because, you know, it wasn't like I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be doing and and checking on everything, but um he wanted to hide some stuff. So, but you you sort of just, you know, have to pay attention to that kind of stuff.
So, was an interesting experience. Thank you. And the last question is, have you ever been responsible for supervising staff and describe your experience with managing and directing professional and clerical staff?
>> Okay. Um, I've had Yeah, I have had to uh I have been a supervisor. I think I'm trying to think to be a direct supervisor. I think was United Way was my first time. I was starting up a new
um department. I and we knew that eventually I'd probably be able to shrink it down, but there was nine people to start. So, you know, figuring out how to set it up and and what, you know, each person could do, then talking
to them to see, you know, like is that person capable of stepping up to like a supervisor role? So, you know, that kind of thing. And I I even just from the start knew it was important to
have a a good rapport and and also sort of, you know, check out where where they're at. And um always, you know, let them know that they're more than welcome to come in and ask you a question. You know, don't ever say, "Well, she's too
busy or or something like that." you know, if if you she [clears throat] has she or he has a question that, you know, something that person needs to know or, you know, learn. So, I I um and I enjoy people. So, I've had a few tough people
in my time, but you know, um and then I've had, you know, like departments of two or three. Um just now supervised two people. So, and uh I've had people [clears throat] that shouldn't be in the jobs that
they're in. So, you try to work that one. >> Thank you. [clears throat] >> Thank you. >> On to our last question. Do you have any questions for us? Um, one of the things I guess we touched on it before that thing that certificate
is that something that because I haven't had that experience I would be able to have a something online or something to to get >> it's not a requirement um but I would say you do have a professional
development and training um line item in your budget. So if it's something that you find would be beneficial um to the college in your role, I think that's something that >> would fit within there. >> It maybe that comes through.gov and it wouldn't cost money. >> Yeah, I'm not I'm not familiar with it
unfortunately. But that was that was one of the things because you know of the um job >> and um I know this might sound like a funny question but has the city of gardener had a lot of growth in the last
like 10 years. I looked up the population but then it was interesting because that means everything's changed for you guys too. >> So there have >> we have had a lot of growth. I mean we we built a new elementary school. I mean, we have our our um population is
is is slowly increasing because we're more of an affordable community for housing from than many other areas. Um you know, we have the college, the hospital, we have some great assets in this community, the golf course, which you know, draws people here. So, Garden's growing, the housing has been
growing. Um >> we have projected growth, too. >> Yeah. Not as you know, faster than other communities. I mean we still have a ways to go because housing is such a great need right now. Um but I think u with the new we have new businesses in
gardener but I think yes I think we have um we've done very well um especially within the last I would say you know 5 to 8 years there has been a lot of growth and there will continue to be more >> that's I just figured that would affect everybody's job. So, um I was wondering
about that. And um okay, the new legislation, I already I already looked that up. And do do um is this kind of off? But do you guys consider like the auditor's job like a the compliance
manager making sure that cuz when I was at Boston Healthcare for the homeless, I mean, there was so much that for compliance that we even had to a separate compliance person who would have a so I when I was reading everything I said oh it's kind of like
the um and and does the clerk office have um you know like there's an auditor's office with the two people is there in the clerk office is there any accounting pe >> no >> so this is it >> yeah the auditor is the auditor is the
is the department so it's it's you are all of it you are doing everything IC department regarding their budgets, anything regarding auditing, compliance with the different types of um kind of government, you know, state regulations and things in terms of
using the word compliance. That's what I would call it. Um but you're it and then we have the treasur collector's office as well >> or treasur's office. >> We have the treasure collector >> and that's where payroll runs through treasur collector's office. Taxes run through treasur collector's office. >> Okay. So they're the ones that are getting all the cash receipts. Yeah. So,
the auditor oversees the city budget um and the expenses from the city budget and the city budget is between 90 and $100 million. >> Okay. [clears throat] And nine and
>> 90. Okay. And um why is this position open? >> Uh the previous auditor we've been here for a number of years. >> Oh, okay. Okay. just sometimes it's good a new position. >> It's not due
long yet. >> Yeah. Like when I had to go to city hall in Lemonster, I never knew what the difference was between the treasurer and the and the auditor. But then I looked up auditor and city accountant and they
said it was the same. >> Same here. Yeah. Um any other questions for us? So, not right now that I can think of. Um, >> I know Amanda, you got a question. >> Yeah, my only question, my first and
only one would be um timeline as far as if you were to be offered the position, what does that look like? Are you still at RFK? Would you need to give a notice there around what timeline you thinking? >> I've been working on that. So, I would say like two weeks. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Do you have further questions that concludes? >> No, I can always email. Right. >> I should assume that. >> Yeah. No, abs. Absolutely. Please do. Um I don't know if you want to go over a little bit about what the process and the next steps will look like. >> Okay. And also I'll email you for list
the name. >> Absolutely. Please do. There you go. >> And you're in order this way. >> Okay. And and um >> Oh, good. >> I'm Judy and you go right and I put our titles next to it as well. >> Okay. Do you have the email? I didn't give you the emails, but
>> Okay. Yes, you were all on the city. >> Okay, great. Thank you for doing that. Appreciate that. >> For next steps, we touched on it briefly at the beginning, but that this committee will need to make a recommendation um to the full council and the full council will have to have a vote on who we would be electing as the
next city auditor. So, we'll keep you posted um on the you know, the next step of the recommendation and where we go. >> Okay. And um do you think that will be in a couple of weeks? We think they will be we're hoping to meet by next week sometime and be in time for our next council meeting which is a Tuesday
because of President's Day when we were on Monday. >> Okay. >> It's February 17th. Yeah. >> Okay. And you know if you need me to come back at all that's that's fine too. It wasn't so bad with the large group. >> I met a couple people before and I said large group. [laughter]
>> We try to be friendly. >> Yeah. >> But thank you so much for coming. Appreciate it. >> It was nice to meet you. It was nice to meet you in person. and she was great with the emails. >> Perfect. >> So, well, thank you very much. >> I'm out of here.
>> At this time, I call a brief recess for us to tell after the interview we can hold the record. >> All right, we're back. >> All right, thank you. I'd like to call the committee meeting back to order. Uh on to item number two, review of
interviewing candidates. We have um had interviews with three candidates um that were scheduled both yesterday and today. Um from this point on onward, we'll be discussing them um by their uh resume
numbers on the top. Um so as long as those you can reference that number um there. I don't know if there's particular discussions or um recommendations from anyone um at this time.
or even a call for a vote um from this committee for a recommendation. >> I'll make a motion that we call for a vote from the committee based on the um applicants we interviewed. >> Second. >> Um motion made by council max councilins
to call for a vote. Um use the discussion here for for the the vote portion. [clears throat] um comes into round and again referencing by the um resume number. Um council Mac
>> CA version two applicant one. >> Council B CA version two applicant one >> CA version two applicant one. >> Council CA version two applicant one.
>> CA version two applicant one. Um that is five uh for CA2 version applicant one. That applicant is Karen Butler. Um all those in favor of recommending Cameron Butler to the whole council for city
auditor say I. >> I. >> All those opposed? Motion carries. uh recommendation will be sent out to the um the council to the council president with the expectation of an item being placed on the calendar for the election
of the gardener city auditor for the February 17th 2026 meeting. On to our third item third item on here remaining steps in the audit committee process. Um we do have um minutes that will need to
get approved. So any recommendation be made or someone to be nominated to uh approve the minutes. >> Move to recommend council DNA. >> Second. >> Motion made by councelor Hegman. Second by councelor Kaziscus to nominate councelor general lou to approve the
minutes. Is there any further discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. All those opposed. Motion carries. That ends our agenda. I entertain a motion to adjurnn. So second made >> by councelor Max by councelor he to
adjurnn. All those in favor say I. >> I opposed meeting stands adjourned.