All right, everybody. Let's get started. Uh, first on the agenda is public comment for any um items on the agenda. Anybody in the public uh have any comments, any considerations? No. All right. Moving down. Would someone like to make
a move to approve the meeting minutes of 102725? >> I will make that motion. That motion. >> Some to second that motion. >> Second it. >> All in favor? >> So move is approved. Thank you. First on the agenda under hearings is a
request of determination of applicability 31 Traverse Street. The Gardener Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under MGL chapter 131 section 40 and the wetlands protection act. the city of gardener protection ordinance on a request for
the termination of applicability followed by filed by Robert Rudd for the proposed installation of a new carport to take place at 31 Traverse Street Gardener. The work will be set to occur within the buffer zone of the border
vegetated wetland as well as riverfront area. Somebody here to represent? >> I am. >> Come on up. Okay. >> Head right up there and just kind of talk about your project and >> Okay. dropped dropped a hat. >> Um, >> you guys already have copies of what I'm
saying or do you need copies of it? >> You have copies. You can hand them out. >> Yep. >> We've seen them online on the internet, >> email. >> Yep. >> Thank you. That's everybody. >> Yeah, it's a it's it's a fairly simple
project, at least in my opinion. Um, there's a onecar garage and I want to put a a simple carport on the side of it. Um, where you just be hanging a roof off one side of it. It would be supported by three post board which you
can see there's a there's a side view and the second page the roof structure um that shows shows basically the construction of that and then um the next page just shows the prefold. So basically we're not changing the grade
of anything. We would scrape off the top soil that's going to be underneath the cardboard. um put in either um reg grind asphalt or or graded base, whichever you guys said would make uh more sense for application
of the driveway. The driveway that comes out of the carport will tie into the existing driveway and that's all pitched away from from from the brook essentially. There's a brook to to the right side. Um, so grade's not going
to change. The roof is very shallow because the good cardboard's very small. Um, so there's not going to be torrential rains coming out the roof or anything like that. Um, and basically digging three holes to put the concrete
pilings in that she'd attach the 6x6 post to. Um, so like I said, no no change in grade. Um, everything's pretty much pitched away from where the brook is. Essentially, it will be the same landscape that you have right now. And
it'll just be a fancy awning on the side of the garage supported by the three poles. >> Is it So, it's on the um we we have a photograph here. So, to the north of the um current uh garage or between the house and >> uh if the north is on the far side,
>> that's on the far side. because we wanted to leave the in between the house and the garage that section open there. >> So, you said you're going to be scraping from the top sidewalk. >> Yep. >> To get it level with the current grade. >> Uh it's it's level now. That will get
scraped off so that when you put the the asphalt or the grade base on, it'll be at the same level that it is right now. So, and that will be removed. They will take the excavator will take that away. So, Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, I just have a
question. You know, one of our roles is determine, you know, whether any of this activity is going to have any negative impact on wetland or water resources. Um, it's kind of hard for us to tell. There's no distances here to stream a bank. >> I sketched I think at the end.
>> I know, but it sketched enough. >> Okay. >> You know what I mean? Like it'd be good for you and us to have like real measurements. >> Okay. >> If we're trying to make a determination whether something Well, it was that that 15 ft is pretty much a real measurement
to the end of the property. Okay. Okay. And then the brook then it goes downhill from there. Um Justin was there I think. Did you take any pictures lasting or >> Yeah, it's probably >> And I see pictures, but it's not.
>> Yeah, I'm looking at them. >> How far away from the the work is the brook? >> The brook from the work itself is about 50 ft away. The brook is probably another 35 to 40 ft from the edge of the property.
>> Go ahead. Well, I lived there for years, so it's not that much closer. It's a lot closer. Yeah, I agree. >> The photograph looks like it's um you know, one garage width um from the car garage.
See what I'm saying? Like this this this distance appears to be approximately maybe see what's going >> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe one and a half times. See how this talk this way? >> Yeah. >> Seems to be about one and a half times that. >> So that's
right there. Where's the existing garage? >> That's there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. One and a half. What's in the car garage? I'm assuming it's 10. >> It's probably >> Yeah, that side
>> 15 20 ft. >> This side. >> Yeah, it's it's a good >> It's definitely a good 20 25 ft to the property. >> 15. >> And that's where the there's a a concrete bridge that starts there. So that's kind of what I'm saying with the
whatever the the end of the property itself. >> And at least my walking down at least to where >> the water starts is a good 30 35 ft. >> There's been some um and I don't know if it's beaver down
there or just trees that fell down. So the brook is a lot narrower now on that side of the road than it than it used to be because there's there's there's a lot of like trees down a little bit further down that that's so now if you look at
the brook across the street it's a lot wider than it is on this side. So that that's where I'm getting my measurements from as far as where the actual water starts. Um, yes, you could argue that if you go across the street, the water
starts another 10 ft closer to where the house would be, but it's not like that on our side of the road. So, well, I think I think we'd like to send some more information. Need some some
wayinding type points on here to to to confirm what these measurements are. from the edge of the of the the brook over. And then what's this big pile of debris? Is that obviously old and gone?
>> That's gone. Yeah. >> Was that used stack and all that stuff next to the wall? >> That that was there was a a tremendous amount of bittersweet. >> Oh, >> that was like killing everything. So I just I just took the bittersweet out so that the portal trees would have a
chance to try to grow again. So >> So if you did this and made this carport with a driveway, how would you handle snow removal? >> Um I mean the driveway right now is so short that it's
whatever is under the carport. I don't think there would be too much of a snow issue. It would just be the little section cuz I'm not going to um can bar just for a second cuz what you have what you have right now is you have the
carport. All right. Now, this little little roof is going to be here. All right. You got a little driveway here and then the sidewalks there. And what we were planning to do here was just not come straight out with this. Just come and
bear it in like that. So that cuz there's no point coming straight out here because the whatever the easy way to get into the road is is here. So it's like you just bring it around and as long as there's no car there, then
obviously you just go onto the existing driveway and pull out there. So there's not a lot of a lot of surface area where you're going to be removing snow. Yeah. If that's if that's whatever. If there's snow there and you need to drive through it. Okay. Yeah. You're going to put it over here. >> Yeah. Towards the brook probably,
>> right? But it it's not it's not a tremendous amount of surface area, you know, because if this is at least from my perspective, if this is a garage, this is the size of that, then the properties here, and then at least the
water relative to if these are kind of accurate, the water relative to that is about that far away. It's not like we would be putting snow cuz cuz this is a a drop off right at the end of the property. It goes down pretty quick. No,
we're not going to be throwing snow down there, anything like that. So, you just have basically this little area there that that you clearing snow to to be able to get out of the car. So, >> okay. So the curving is only um the
>> curving the curving just goes down just with your existing driveway. It doesn't extend. >> It goes a little bit further over. That's why it wouldn't be uncomfortable to to get out like that. >> It goes maybe I don't know one or two feet past that the the existing driveway
there. So >> the other thing is zoning, right? I mean they're 15 ft away from their property line. Have you talked to anybody in zoning or anything yet on this? I pulled a driveway permit and a building permit. Nobody said anything negative about it.
>> How about the the flood plane? >> It's unclear as to whether it's actually in the flood plane or not. It's close to >> what would what would be considered the regulatory flood plane within that area. Um it is a I mean again for the just for
the record too I mean it is a you know it is a pretty tough tough lot too just because of the proximity to a lot of the resource areas. Um I mean again you have to take you have to take a lot of GIS with a grain of salt from
>> the overlay >> from yeah or at least some of the overlay layers because you know delineations could change from time to time. Um but um but because of how close the garage is, I mean this building this these
structures were most likely predating the act and predating you know the ordinance as well. So you know as for expansion of the blueprint, you know,
>> it it is it is it is tough. Um, and um, >> yeah, >> you know, there's a >> Do you know what year the house was built? >> When we bought it, the the listing said 1900, but I I didn't believe that. And a
neighbor came over from up the road. Um, and I mean, he he didn't live there back in 1950 or whatever, but he claimed that people had told him it was built like around 1940 or something like that. 19 40 1950 does it has it has some field
stone foundation um in in the basement um mo most of it is field stone so I mean but that could be anywhere from you know 1800 to to now so that doesn't really tell the age but
>> um >> so I mean we could probably discuss this for a while I mean I have several concerns there's we just we don't have any way evaluate a distance here. Uh carport is a structure. >> Yeah. >> Um you're removing soil. So without
knowing how far away this stuff is, I can't in good conscious say, "Oh yeah, this is not going to have a problem with the water resources." You also have a silken roof. Um we can say, "Oh yeah, it's probably not that big a deal." It might be a big deal. We don't know that in huge storms. I I just have no idea.
So those all added up to me suggests that I have no way of saying no, this is not going to be a problem. >> Yeah. And I think not knowing like you said the boundary lines any any elevations or anything. I just I'm concerned. >> I mean the the roof is is going to be
very shallow. It has to be because I mean the it's always a flat roof on the garage right now. So the the roof line is going to I want to have a little bit of pitch to it. So >> Oh, I get it. But it is going to be very shallow as far as >> But it's angled towards the brook. >> It's angled toward the brook.
>> So everything's going to fly. >> So I'm just saying without knowing distance, >> it's close. >> Yeah. I mean, so I mean you're looking just, you know, again using non-standard measurements because we don't have a scale bar or a a plan, you know. So the garage existing garage is 13 ft
wide. And if you're looking at the aerial photograph that Dustin made of showing the flood plane, it's, you know, one and a half two. So it's less than 26 ft >> correct >> from the existing garage. So you're going to be 13, you know, you're going to be say 10 ft 13 ft away from the
river itself. Never mind any kind of bordering wetland. Looking at just looking at the map. That's best information we have right now for the sorry aerial. >> Yeah, I'm kind of concerned that we just don't have enough data,
>> but also it's it's in within all the zones. I mean, for for whatever it's worth, the house is a lot high. There's a fairly steep drop off in the backyard be >> which to me is, you know, when you're
talking flood plane. Yeah, it's in the flood plane, but it's got to come up quite a bit till it gets up to house level, which is the same as level that the garage is at or whatever that's worth. So, >> I've seen it almost there. >> I've seen it almost.
>> Have you? I lived there for about 40 years up the street at Five Travis Street. We had a storm one spring and it it it became it it was so bad it was after the
50 50 year flood. >> It was amazing how much water was in there. >> Yeah. Oh, I don't I don't I just I'm kind of thinking it we need some more information and it's probably so close to that that
ri that brook back there. I don't know how we can >> I mean is a site would a site visit be be helpful or >> I mean I I mean he's got 40 years of living there but I mean I can see it
but I I mean we can do a drive by but I I just >> Is it staked out? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I got three stakes where the uh >> Have you got the where your property lines are staked out? >> I'm I'm assuming the property lines
Canon. >> Yeah, you got to get that. You got to find out where that is. >> Canon. >> Um, >> how long did you buy the property? >> Yeah, we purchased it in March. >> You didn't do a survey when you bought the property? >> No.
>> Does Does the boundary go to the middle? >> I'm assuming our boundary goes to where when it starts going down the hill to the brook, which is um like I said, there's a concrete br there's a bridge there that's all
made out of concrete and that wraps around to where I'm assuming the edge of the property is and that it's at that point that um I assume the town put in big rocks and stuff because it's a fairly
steep steep uh grade going down to the brook. >> Oh yeah. >> So that's why I'm saying where kind of where the grass ends which is where the bridge starts. That's what I'm saying is the extension of our property or edge of my daughter's property.
>> So, do you understand what all these blue lines are on here? >> I um Justin explained Yeah, it to me somewhat. Um >> yeah, it's pretty much telling us you can't really build there, you know, and put this little cardboard
in. It's just well in the first place you got to have you got to have your property, you know, it's going to be stanked out for your two corners on that side of where the brook is. >> I'm just saying it's how can you build
when it's like this? >> Yeah, I know. >> I don't think you can. >> I just don't want you to waste money. >> Yeah. >> Getting it surveyed cuz I just don't see how >> I mean you're going to say no. There's no point. I mean, the only money I've wasted so far is all the permits. So, um, >> can you flip it to the other side?
>> Well, what I was hoping is that that at least in the, um, section or whatever, I guess there were, and Justin can explain it better. There were three levels of, you know, kind of
bad, better, bad, medium, better as far as the distance that you were away from the the brook and the river itself. Well, well, >> the the point being is that on the other side, if there were any chance, we were thinking of maybe trying to do a little
addition on the side of the house cuz the house is so tiny. So, if I had the carport over there, then I wouldn't be able to do that addition. And >> if you had the cap on the other side, you'd be a wouldn't be a problem. >> Well, within everything, though. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, if you if you say there's potential that if we put the cardboard on the other side and could still put an extension of the house on that side,
then that's certainly a possibility. I mean, if you say to me, "No, you're never going to put a we're never going to let you put an addition onto the house um to the left of the garage," then there's no point in my doing anything. I guess you got a couple options. I
think you can we can continue this and you can get us some more information, spend the money to get the area surveyed and then come back before us or you can try to get your money back on some of these other permits cuz I don't I don't know how we can let this happen in that area. It's so it's so close.
It's >> Why are you saying if I put it on the other side of the garage that would potentially be acceptable? >> Well, I then then I hear you want to put an addition on but you're surrounded by wetlands. I don't know how I don't know how you think you can put an addition on there and not be I mean you're gonna
come back for us in two years we're going to say well now you're putting an addition on and you're in the same flood zones you are but that side of the house at least on the maps that he showed me was in an area that was not as critical as
areas further down behind the house. There's a little bit of that um just the buffer zone uh to the southeast of the house. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because he showed me like I think it was an orange color was well it's not too bad if you do something here and then the colors got closer to blue when
you know that's not a good good thing to do and it looked like where we potentially wanted to do the addition was in that if the orange color is the right color the one that said oh it's potential that you could could do something there. boring. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So from the bordering vegetated
wetland, that's where that traffic sign >> Yeah. >> buffer comes out where it goes with the green being the most restrictive to red being the least restrictive. It's kind of inverse to what it should probably be. >> Yeah, I get where you're going. >> But um so from a bordering vegetative
wetlands perspective, that's probably the better option. But the problem the the problem we run into is that the the riverfront area the estimated riverfront area has has a very large chunk of the property being within the inner 100 ft
of riverfront which >> is >> at least from you know from an interpretation from like D or you know or from a lot of provisions and standards you know is considered somewhat more restrictive that
typically. >> Yeah. That whole area that fluff went right through here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The, you know, is what is what he's intending to do with just the um, you know, taking just the surface of a, you know, the car size off, putting millings down, and then just to drill
the three holes for the posts. >> That's that's pretty minimal if you to me if you were having doing that between the house and the car garage. But putting it 13 ft from the river is very situation. You can't do it. >> I I mean you we haven't closed the hearing yet.
>> I'm I'm I'm interested more on doing it on this side, but then I don't want to pigeon hole him from having to do something in the future. I don't know what his you know future decision is whether this carport can be put in as is or on the other side. I think
>> that's our only decision at this point >> I believe. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. Durbed. I mean go way belong sloping this way. What are your what are your thoughts here?
>> You've seen that come up that high to the top of that. >> Yeah. >> Really only did it once. >> Scary though. You know how how much it flooded and it was just a 50 flood. >> Yeah. The challenge is is that if this
property came up before us now with the intent to build on it originally, we'd say no completely. Um because it's so close. I mean, other than the road, it's surrounded by water and it's a major waterway that goes through Gardener.
>> So, what do you mean when you say if it came up before you do that? >> If if that property if that parcel came up before us now >> with no house on it, with no house on it, no building on it at all, and somebody wanted to build on it, we'd have to say no because it's it's within
all of the restricted areas. All all the parts of the almost all the parts of the property are within that restricted area. But if I'm if I'm hearing you right, you are you saying that there is some
potential to put the cardboard on the left side of the garage rather than the right side of the garage. >> Well, I don't know. >> Used to be a sauna right there. >> What's that? >> A sauna. I saw that was right and it fell down finally
>> better than that on this property. >> Yeah. >> Really? >> It would be out of the six. >> What are the What are the distances here? >> Well, >> yeah. >> What are these?
>> So inner 30. So 30 and no disturb. >> Yeah. No build. >> This is the no build. >> Yeah. >> And then this is the And this is the outer 40. So >> we could
>> we could extend it >> show on the other side and then we can determine that >> you can't do it on the right hand. >> It's just too close. >> We allow him to put it on the other side. You know, if you measure from there to
the to the wing wall, it's right on it, right? That's way too >> And all that rip wrap that was done city got a grant from >> core of army engineers had to go to do all this rip wrap in there and they used to trim it every year. They haven't
trimmed it in years. >> Yeah. >> And originally this didn't go like this. It went down and right behind your property. >> Over the years it silts it up. >> Now it flows this way. >> Right. That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of blockage down there now. And I
don't know if it's natural, if it's if it's beaver or if it's just >> trees fell down and nobody, you know, >> no, >> who's going to clear it out, you know? So, >> and it's a dump in the ground, too. >> But if it moved once, it could move again.
>> If the course of the Brooklyn moved once, it could move again. >> I mean, we could at least see what an alternative plan could be on that side. Not saying pro or con. It's possible on the right hand side.
>> It's still within it. It's still in there. It still doesn't change. Look at that swath. >> I know it's >> the whole thing properties within the >> within the 100 foot. Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And most of the property is when is in the no build, including where
you would put an addition to the house. That's right. >> The only put addition to the house would be between the house and the garage. Correct. It would be in the outside of no build, right? All right. Well, we're going to have to close the hearing, talk about it, make a determination legally, and then take it
from there. >> All right. >> Meaning the Wait a minute. >> Why don't we not close the hearing, but extend it to the next meeting? >> You guys think that's fair? >> I don't want to put it through the In the meantime, you got you got to get your property surveyed
>> cuz I don't measurements. I don't think you realize how close you are to the waterways. >> So, you're telling me that the town doesn't have accurate information on the on the property? >> It's not our responsibility to tell you where your property is. You come in and tell us where your lines are and say
it's staked out by when you buy a property, you should always get it surveyed before you sign on the dotted line because you don't know where your property boundaries are. >> And you you didn't you didn't definitely get a block plan. >> They gave us a sketch. Well, >> it it wasn't very detailed.
>> Well, it has some measurements on it. >> It has some approximate numbers on it. Yes. >> I'm not trying to be flippant. >> It's not I wouldn't >> I mean, if you wanted to call it though,
oh, this definitely defines a property, I would say that wouldn't be the right right way to do it, you know. So, it's just it's just a little and sketch that >> um you know claims that the property came. >> Who did the sketch? >> It was just in I don't know. It was in
some of the closing papers that they gave us. So, >> all right. I'm not going to debate this back and forth all night. So, why don't we we're going to vote to close the hearing. Well, actually, we'll continue the hearing till the 24th. You draw it in the other side. We'll get some more information on our side. If you can try
to get it surveyed, you need to push it out a little bit to the 8th and let us know. Okay. Is that fair? >> I guess. Yeah. >> Well, I got no other option and I got the rest of the night to kind of keep going here. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. Someone like to make a motion to continue the hearing on 31 Drivers Street. >> I'll make that motion
>> till November 24th. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Oh, no. All right. Moving on to the notice of intent for Dun State Park. The Gardener Conservation Commission will hold a
joint public hearing under MDL chapter 131 section 4 wetlands protection act. Um on the notes of 10 file by AE command behalf of Department of Conservation Recreation DCR for proposed drainage
improvement and resurfacing project located at Dun Park, Dun State Park and 289 Pearl Street which is mapped 20 uh W27162. Portions of the proposed work are set to occur within their buffer zone of an inland bank bordering vegetated a
bordering land underwater. Somebody here to represent Dun State Park. >> We were just waiting for the Are you there? All right. Are you there? >> Is that green? >> Yeah, it's green.
>> Technology is great. >> Oh, she she she's on earlier. She can hear. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I can hear you. >> Um >> Heidi, let's come back to it. >> What's the next one? Uh 42, Lionus Allen
A. Gardener Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under Merrell, chapter 131, section 40 in the wetlands protection act in the city of Gardener wetlands protection ordinance ordinance on the north of 10 file by hand engineering on behalf of Mount Aisa Community College Foundation in for
proposed building addition along the parking lot and drainage improvements on the property located at 42 minus Allen A Gardener. It's map X17-1-8. Portions of the proposed work are set to occur within the nearby riverfront area
of Mahoney Brook. Somebody here to represent. >> Yes. >> Come on up. State your name. >> What is the easel? >> Uh so I'm Dom Canyon Engineering. um representing the Mount Wusket Community
College Foundation for a proposed uh building addition and parking lot improvements as well as some drainage improvements to the site. Um I know you guys are somewhat familiar with this property now. We've done a sitewalk
um and last time we were here you kind of looking for DP comments which we received uh and responded to. um their main concern or some of their concerns were regarding the 100 ft um
vegetated buffer from the wetland. So our 100 this 100 foot buffer we as we mentioned in our um response has been previously disturbed prior to 1996
and is our intention to not uh increase the limit of clearing in any way. Um in terms of what h what is happening in the resource area, it is simply we are removing what is existing pavement along right here replacing it with a um
wildflower mix and putting a proposed building addition on top of a portion of what is now pavement. >> What's the size of the addition? >> The addition is 2,000 square ft. Um >> those dimensions of of
>> Yeah. front >> 25 ft by feet. >> Uh and it can be noted that there was some changes to the overall site plan from the last time you guys saw it. It was this scope was kind of reduced um
for financial reasons. But in terms of the wetland resource area work being done, it has not changed. where where all those vehicles were parked, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. There for some kind of repair, right? >> That that's going to be eliminated,
right? >> Yes. >> There will be no more parking there. We've added some parking um right here along existing drive. This will be expanded slightly and we've added some parking toward the front here. So,
>> where's where's the brook? The >> brook. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. I want to speak something. Uh this this gentleman was there and our conservation commission and and
there it is right now is this the vehicles that I'm there for repair. I assume they're dead and what there must be what 25 of them. Yeah, probably 25. that's going to be eliminated right off the bat which is we're gonna gain
you know this is a good project I mean we can talk about all night but it's a great project I think and I think the commission the ones that were there would you agree >> pile of times too tire >> yeah you're eliminating impervious
closer to the brook anyway right that's where your plan Where's the drainage off the roof? >> Uh so right now we or there's an existing drain that runs kind of along where the proposed building is supposed
to be. Uh we're going to reroute that around the existing building and there's an existing outlet structure to the right to the east that will tie back into and just kind of direct out the roof front. So goes down to the river. Yes.
It's a win for the brook and a win for the conservation commission and a win for the actually a win for us too. >> I think it cleans up the area well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. What's the D comments? >> Yeah. >> Go ahead.
>> Uh just hand engineering. Um following on Mr. Duncan's comments about the sidewalk. There's a few items that we added to the plan um including the conservation seed mixture that we're proposing that's been added to the site plan as well as well as additional rotations
uh for removing the debris behind the building itself. So we are uh effectuating our conversations at the sidewalk. >> And I should also note we did add the graphical zone A for the flood plane on the plan itself. Um I would note that
the flood plane doesn't coincide >> with the topography uned zone A. Um so we are showing that on the plan. It does clip portion of the area of pavement to be removed. Uh so we've added additional limitations to the site plan to make sure that the
grade stayed below existing grade. Um um but with that being said, if the structure is completely outside the flow uh this graphical zone and the only work being done in that area would be moved to pavement removal. >> Okay, good. Go ahead. Clarifying it's
minor. Um it does look like the parking has that been redesigned a little bit. Used to be an island or something in there before. >> Original site. Yes. >> Okay. Um >> and then what's the other two little squares just underneath that parking lot? Um,
right in here. This was nothing there before. And there's two. Yeah, right there. >> So, this more parking, >> more parking. The original design had this entire area as a larger parking lot. >> We've kind of talked with the college and they kind of like this approach
better parking here. This is smaller than the original proposed, but it's still bigger than existing. >> Okay. >> And there's just double check. >> Additional down here as well. >> Okay. Give them thanks. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. It's actually smaller and further away. >> They need more parking. There's people are parking. >> Yeah. I saw >> parking all the street. >> Does this give you enough parking with this? >> Yes. According to >> Does it give you enough for what it's
being used for? Because I mean the problem with these garages, right? What's the zoning uh requirement for parking for this type of building the square foot? >> Uh it would be uh for it's an educational structure. >> Yeah.
>> So 1.2 spaces per 1,000 gross square ft. >> But then you're taking parking spots up for cars that are being worked on. So what is that? >> So is there you know what I mean? Is there an exemption on that? >> So what they're doing right now is they're cleaning up the program inside
the structure itself. Um they are reworking the interior floor drain system. So a lot of vehicles are being moved in and out of this building right now construction reasons. >> Uh >> excuse me. >> Excuse me. >> This is a little disruptive but it comes across on Thank you.
>> Uh so based on the zoning requirements, you need 31 parking spaces. We're showing >> 43 46 spaces. Uh so we're in excess of the zoning requirement. Um, and pretty much once they get everything kind of cleaned
up and everything like that, their vehicles will be stored inside predominantly. Um, can't out can't out um, >> you can't foresee the future. >> I can't foresee the future. Um, but with that being said, there's no parking along that side of the building, the northern driveway access um because
there is an existing garage door that enters into their workshop areas. Uh so temporary storage of vehicles can never be out ruled um in that area, but it would be located further away from resource areas, >> but all the designated parking spaces
shown would be dedicated to strictly students. >> I think it's a huge improvement. Oh yeah, I agree. You drive by there and it's like >> you know, this is one of the few times that everybody's going to win on this. >> I think so. >> Mhm. No. What's the timing on the
project? >> Uh yesterday possible. >> They have a funding grant for it because the the addition is for classrooms dedicated to their EV program. So they did get um a a chunk of change, if you
will, in order to do this project. So the sooner they can get this up and rolling, the better. But to be honest with this timeline right now, probably an early spring project. >> Okay. Anybody else in the commission have any questions or comments? Anybody
in the audience have any comments? Anyone like to make a motion to close the hearing? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I'm going I'm all for it. I think it's definitely a huge improvement.
>> I think they answered all of our questions. I think the response back these you know the vehicles are being repaired or whatever >> that you know some of them are leaking of gas or fuel oil whatever >> just to get them out of there. I agree >> certainly worth a project right there.
>> Agreed. >> Any other if we vote to approve any um anything beyond the standard order conditions? >> No I mean because any snow will be far far enough away. Yeah. So, it's not really that big of an issue. >> Yeah.
>> All right. Someone would like to make a motion to approve uh 42 Linus Allen um with a standard order of conditions. >> Do we want to have an order in about no parking vehicles on the grassy areas? >> Do you want to make that a stipulation?
>> I think it's a good idea, but that's happening now. Uh, can you guys put some signs up there to prevent >> Um, we can put additional signage up through here uh to say no parking beyond the aluminum uh pavement to be honest with you. Um, they're going to have a dumpster right there and the strip of
brass is no more. So, it'll be very difficult for somebody to get a vehicle back there. >> Yeah, stuff happens. >> I know. So, I I don't foresee that being an issue like that. So, um, standard order of conditions and then add some signage along that for no parking.
>> Like to make that motion. >> I'll make that motion. >> Like to second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. So, what is approved? >> Thanks everybody. Great job. this. >> Hi. >> Heidi, are you there?
>> Hi. Yes, I'm here. >> All right, here we go. We're connected. Good. >> All right. We already kind of read your hearing. Heidi, if you want to just kind of give us a lowdown on your project, any updates? >> Okay. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Thank you so much. Um, so let's see. Since uh the
last time we had spoken um we had u confirmed that we had the on andm plans included in the storm water report um that we had sent along when u Massie u requested it from us. So uh we were able to confirm that for you guys. Um aside
from that, I think it's just been um looking at the uh the dropped order with Justin and just um starting to get a a look at those things. Um, but other than that, uh, there really aren't any new big updates from us. >> Do you guys have any questions or comments for Heidi?
>> No, it's another improvement. >> Oh, I know. >> What's a What's a timeline? A time frame. >> Uh, we heard from um Tom Bolton from MDR that they want to start work in the spring.
>> Busy boy in the spring, Justin. >> Mhm. I don't really have any comments. Again, like you just said, it's a it's a vast improvement. Just wait for the >> only thing is make sure that the agent is aware when they stop. >> Yep.
>> Did you hear that? >> Hello. >> Sorry. Can you repeat that? >> Yeah. Just make sure you let Justin know before you start so we can conduct a visit. >> Okay, great. >> Anybody in the commission have any questions or comments? Anybody in the audience? No. Someone like to make a
motion to close the hearing on Dun Park. Dun Park. >> I'll make I'll make that motion. >> Someone like to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Someone as closed. And then um again, that's another standard order
conditions, right? There's nothing there that we should put out. Someone like to make a motion to approve. >> Wait, there. >> Yeah. Um Heidi, do you have any outlying concerns with the templates that you were sent?
>> Yeah, I took a very brief look at it and nothing really um caught my attention. So kind of what we were um been discussing, I think that all makes sense to us. >> Okay. Awesome. Good. >> Yep. >> Are there plans?
>> That building will rest. >> Yeah, it's in her. It's in her manual. >> Yeah. >> Would someone like to make a motion to approve with a standard order conditions? >> I'll make a motion. >> You close the hearing.
>> Yeah, you did. >> Someone like to second that motion? >> I almost. >> All in favor? >> I just approved. >> We'll get some paperwork signed and get it over to you. >> Okay. Great. Thank you very much for your time. >> Awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much,
Heidi. >> Okay, thank you. Byebye. >> All right, moving on to 82 Green Street. The Gardener Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under MGL chapter 131 section 40 and wetlands
protection act. I was protection ordinance. I always write it over again. I know in the city of uh gardener wet weather protection ordinance on the north of intent followed by Mccardi engineering on behalf of gamma for the proposed construction of a building with
associated parks and utilities at 827 Green Street which is map R42-21-1. Portions of the proposed work are set to occur within the wetlands buffer zone of several nearby resource areas
that take your name please. >> Good evening for engineering has the green cards. >> Thank you so much TV. Let's give us a sec here.
As the chair stated, uh we're here to do corridors and tent piling for work to be done at 827 Green Street, which is the site of uh Gamma, one of their sites in the city. Um, located on the property now is the doll house right here. They have some uh couple barns on the
property. Multiple sheds throughout the property. Uh, they use the property for their treatment facility um for the adults, but also they do have a trailer here that they use also for the uh adolesccents for their programs that they have for adolescence. Uh this
square actually here now that shows up on the GIS website. It is this location of the new cell tower that's being constructed out there, but I believe they have the order conditions through the commission for that too. Um they are in the process of uh putting that up right now. They have a driveway in um on
the property. Doesn't show up in the updated GPS at this point. >> Um just a closeup of the site. Again, like I said, this is this is the dollhouse. This is the main driveway into the site. They do a couple of barns on the property. And then they have some sheds throughout the property. Like I said, this is the
location of the new cell tower that's been placed. Um on the property there are some wlets. Um this this is one of the barns located that I showed in the aerial imagery. And this is the second barn. Uh there's an isolated
pocket of wlets behind uh the right hand side barn. And there's some BBW in the rear of the site that I believe the commission had seen when the cell tower was in front of you also. And so we showed the the BBW on the CC plan. Uh we also show you a 30- foot uh no
disturbance zones and the 60 foot no build zones and the 100 foot buffer zone on the conditions plan. What uh Gambit proposes to do is they're proposing to construct a 74T by 100 foot
uh building really a barn. Um, but the barn's going to be used for uh multiple multiple things. And I'll show you a floor plan of that real quick, just so you can get an idea of what the layout's going to be. And so they
they right now they kind of run out of space on usual space for uh the treatment, right, of they have on the property. And so what they want to do is they put up they want to put up a barn structure up where they're going to have some offices in
the building, break rooms, um storage facilities, but also some group rooms, some classrooms. Um right on the property. They currently use a lot of the farm animals for their treatment uh programs that they have out there. So they want to be able to add to those
programs. And by doing uh this project, it'll allow them some more flexibility to use this building to use it as classrooms, offices to to meet with the people, but also group rooms. Uh they also have a workshop area um where right here they have an overhead door where they can bring the animals in and do
some one-on-one work with the clientele, especially obviously during the winter time. Um they still do work with the clientele. And then then they have a bigger open area within the barn to do more work with the farm animals, but also have uh a little more room to to have uh you take care of the animals in that bigger space so they can do more
than just one animal. And so again, the building is going to be multi-purpose for their um what they already use on the property, but just to provide more services that they already use currently on the property. Like I said, the building is a 74T by 100 foot building. It's going to be
located between the two barns that are out there. Now, this is the dollhouse. Now, this is the larger of the barns, and this is the longer, skinnier barn. This is the driveway location for the cell tower. And so, what we're proposing to do is
tie into the driveway that they are constructing for the um the cell tower. We'll improve it um after they're done as just in this section here that's grade. And then we're proposing a 15 foot uh space parking lot uh to be adjacent to um the new building to
service the new building to allow for um any of the people that are coming in for their treatment and any of the um employees there to be able to use that parking lot adjacent to the barn. Like I said, there's an overhead door here adjacent to that smaller um classroom for the the use of the fires, but
there's also another overhead door in the back there into that bigger section into the barn. Uh we do have a couple man doors uh located on the sides and a man main main man door located up here into the office area. As I said, you know, we do have an
isolated wetland number of BDW located throughout the site. And so what we tried doing is locating the barn um in between all those wetlands out there and >> definitely shoehorn that in there. >> Well, and that's especially with the cell tower going up. Um you know, we're trying to find the best space to go with
this. And I'll show you the site grading plan in a sec in a second also because we also had to locate a septic system as part of this and septic system has to be at the 100 buffer zone. Right? So now we're also playing with a septic system and so we we we were trying to obviously accommodate the 30 foot disturbance
which in this location is already field. It's part of the farm area. It has been um used as part of their farm um over the years. but also taking in account the 60 foot uh no build zone here and then trying to also take in account the 60 foot no build along this area here
where I know the driveway to the south tower kind of hugs that area too and I'll show you the site and grading plane next to kind of show you the limit of um >> when's the last time this was flagged >> so this is actually Maryann was just out here Maryanne Deto did the flag out here
so she was just out here this year and so uh I can tell you in a second I have I do have her the notice of intent up on my screen too and I believe so you can see who so she was out here in May of
2025 right so and so again here's the building uh isolated wetlands um here's our new septic system we just Is it the photograph we just saw is it that one that one >> uh I'm not 100% sure which one she
>> that Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's this one. Yep. That's the isolated one. Yes. And it's drier now. I mean, I picture it was in May. I know during the summer time and even when we walked the site last week, it was definitely drier than that picture shows there. So, again, the
building, the new septic system, like I said, we're trying to locate that out without the uh outside the 100 foot buffer zones. um the driveway coming in here. We do propose a uh real shallow uh storm water basin adjacent to that driveway to take care of the parking lot
and the driveway. And then along the building here, we show pie diaphragms in each side of the building to handle any of the runoff from the building. And so the the piece diaphragms are sized to handle the 1 in of runoff uh from the building. And then for the uh detention
basin here, we do show a PEONE diaphragm to provide some uh pre-treatment before it gets into the basin, a for bay, and then the main detention basin. Um when we did soil testing out here for the septic system, we also did soils testing for the drainage out here. Um the soils
are mapped as an A/D soil. Um A soils when during the summer um when there's no ground water, but the groundwater we found to be 18 inches below the ground. When we did our soil testing, there was redux in the soils at 18 inches below the ground. So during wet times, you know, since it's a farm,
not shocking out there that it's it's wet during the wet seasons and that's when that picture in May doesn't shock me that there was standing water in that wetland, right? And so the the difficulty with that high ground water is trying to infiltrate the groundwater for any of the runoff for the parking lot and the driveway. uh for the
building, we were able to bring the building up just enough so that we can get enough offset for the groundwater. So, we can't infiltrate the runoff from the roof um into those piec diaphragms, but because of the 18 in of um depth to the groundwater, we we weren't able to provide an additional 2 ft above the
groundwater table before our depth um for the detention basin. Um we're really, like I said, it's the site is the way it is, great for farming, not necessarily great for everything else, right? But because of what they're trying to do out there and use the farming as part of their operation, uh
it makes sense to use it uh the way they are just just makes it a little more difficult from our standpoint. So we trying to do as much as we could to the maximum practical drainage in regards to the parking lot and the driveway providing that detention basin during the summertime. it will act as an infiltration basin, but we can't count
it as that because the groundwater depth that we found out there. And so when we did our storm water analysis that we provided to the commission, but also to the planning board as part of the site cycle review, um we do go into the narrative about the groundwater depth and how we're trying to meet the the
stormwater standards to the maximum factor. And so I know we just had a a planning board meeting last week um for a preliminary site plan review. They're scheduling us for a December definitive site review. Uh we did talk to Rob Oliva before we submitted this. He has
submitted a few comments to the planning board as part of his review of the storm water. And I know obviously the newest member of the planning board, Eric. He's also storm water also. So he was reviewing that also asking a few questions. So >> follow up a little bit on your plan. >> Sure. Yep.
>> This way. >> No, the other way. Yeah, that's fine. Keep going. Keep going. >> Keep going. >> So, what's what's right there? The 60 no build or the 100
>> for wherever your elbow is. >> Two points. >> Oh, >> you know what? This Yeah, this arrow. Yep. Sorry about that. Y you're right. That's the 100. This is the 60. >> I apologize for that. We can make that change.
That's easy enough. >> You definitely definitely shoe warned everything. >> It's tight. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz normally I'd say, "Oh, move that building up." But then you got to deal with the septic >> septic and the cell tower and everything else. And and even if we move the building up, we still have the issue
about the the high ground water table, right? And that that's really the biggest thing that our concern was when we were looking at this. And if we were to move the building a little further, now it just creates more of a a paid driveway, right? So we were trying to minimize >> the amount of pavement we had out here, shorten the driveway, shorten the location of where that is. And really,
you know, we put it as close to the isolated well than closer to the BBW where we thought the BBW had um more substance in regards to the resource area, >> right? >> Um so if we put it further into the field, now we're closer to the BBW. And again, they still would like to leave as much field as they can that
they already have open as you know, they do have a fair amount of farm animals out there that they have. >> We've heard all about the farm animals, >> right? And that's well, that's that's part of the issue, right? It's we're just talking about buildings here. We would just we would able to site a building in the middle of a field and not have to worry about it. But they're
also looking at a complete operation out here. And and I know everybody was upset about the horse track going on here, but now they're trying to use the site the way they've, you know, for as best as they can, right? They're they're trying to make this work for them. So, um,
>> do you have an on plan for this? >> So, we do have a storm water plan. Yes. Yep. As part of the drainage analysis. So, in in our storm water design uh reports, So, we have our standard set up, right? We have our operation maintenance plan,
our long-term pollution prevention plan, our, you know, elicit discharge compliance and step checklist and, you know, all the rest of the appendencies to our storm water report. So, we do have all those items in there. Uh, one thing I did want to mention to the commission is we do not have a D number. >> Yeah.
>> So, we're not doing anything tonight. >> So, and we understood that. And I know we spoke with Justin and Kar on the sitewalk. So I actually reached out to D. I got a response back from today. And so they cashed a check back in October 8th. Um so the email that they responded
back to me today about the check being cashed on October 8th was also CCD with um Miss Roth over at D Central. So she knows that. And I guess they knew about it last week that the check was cash. No, on their the the
portal it said there was no check received as of November 3rd, but that is incorrect. The check was cashed on October 8th and the Boston office verified that today with me. So, there was an email that went to Central Mass letting them know that uh the check was cashed on October 8th. So, hopefully
that expedites the the file number and I'm sure there'll be probably a couple comments from them. And that's what we're kind of waiting to see what comments they also have so that we can address any other comments that come from them all in one uh possible changes to the the plan if needed. Like I said, I know there are a couple comments that Ron Walla had. We just need to respond
back to his comments just to make sure that he understands the the drainage analysis because he was just had a couple questions about that. But I have a question. It's a minor one. So, is Gamma the um party that's going to be doing, you know, all the annual
cleanings and >> Yeah. And I think Yeah. Usually a lot of this stuff, I think they have their even the animals and all that stuff, they have people on site that are doing all the the maintenance out here. So, and really for what we have is a real small basin. Yeah.
>> It should be relatively easy. It's really mowing a couple times a year and if there's any sediment, they have to remove the sediment. If they have to use a small machine, they have to use small machine. But I can't see them using probably shovel in the bucket, right? It's not >> this basin is as small as we typically do for any of these sites, but it was
really the amount of disturbance that we're doing here is not not huge. And like I said, because it's a deep soil when it's wet, it's we're not seeing a huge increase from the pavement to the, >> you know, from the grass stand. So, um,
and then the pone diaphragm, they, you know, over time they have to really look at it, make sure it's not clogging if they have to to, you know, it's it's a fabric on top, so they'd have to remove the stone on top of the fabric and just put the stone down. So, it's it's fairly simple. >> So, everyone drain is that?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, it's um I want to say the size of the they're they're wide and shallow because of the high groundwater, right? So, um let's see. I have a detail. So, I have my
saw. >> Yeah, I know. I saw a second. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> No, no, I'll I'll show you in a second. I'm just waiting for this thing to like this thing to go away here. But >> So, there we go. >> Yeah. And I want to say it's six feet wide and a foot and a half deep. But,
and >> there's no pipe, right? >> There's no pipe. Nope. It's just uh it's all snow. >> That's what I was saying. I mean, there's no in here there's no like manual for them to go out and clean that out or anything. It's just >> There is for the soils and stuff.
>> Yeah. >> No, there should be right in the uh >> It might be in there. >> I got I got it. >> Oh, yeah. I see it now. >> You got it? >> Yep. Thank you. Let's see. Right. So, we got our operation immediately, right?
>> Yeah. I got it. Perfect. I don't know if if the commission I know sometimes in the past, right, you made that attach it to the order. It's up to you. It's however you guys want to handle that part of it. We have no issue with that. >> Yeah. I guess you know what happens is we everyone says they get these manuals and they do them all, but we never get
confirmation from anybody. Yeah. Sorry, you say that they need to send this in yearly maybe to us >> and that's my >> there is an annual >> there was an annual reporting says >> it does >> but I just don't know if we're going to ever get it >> we can make that an order >> you can make that yeah we have no problem making that a condition is yeah
that's >> we can >> when do you want us to continue it to be fair >> so the next meeting is what two weeks >> y >> so if in two weeks we don't have a file number I could just call Justin and ask for continuous from that Okay. >> It's not I live in the town, so it's not
hard for me to come. Right. So, it's >> Why don't we go to the next meeting? When's the next one? >> Oh, I know. I meant I thought you >> the next Yeah. 24th November, then 8th of December. >> That's why we meet with the plating
board on the 9th. I'd say I'd say we just continue to the next one just >> that way changes. >> Yeah. So why don't why don't we continue it to the 24th. >> And the reason I love that too because if DP comes up with questions and we have to talk about at the 24th come back on the the 8th >> y
>> with the final plan that make it easy easier for us cuz like I said we have the meeting on the 9th with the planning board. Hopefully we can handle a lot of these issues out by then and go to the plane board and take care of their questions. So >> start in spring or this this fall. I'm not sure if they're going to try getting
in this fall. The the problem is with some of this they're trying to wait for the cell tower guys to get done some of their work and so they don't want to be doing both at the same time. Right. There's not a lot of room for staging up there with all their operation >> and they they haven't set up the tower up there. They have the driveway in they
have some pad down over near the south tower where they don't have >> and so that's what they when we had the sidewalk that's what they were talking about after we you guys had left. >> The pieces are there. >> The pieces are there just get the cell tower guys there get it up and Then once they're done, they want to get going on this. And if it's a slap on grade, it
shouldn't take too too long and then it's right >> here. All right. Would someone like to make a motion to continue this hearing until November 24th, 2025? >> Make a motion. >> Someone like to second that motion? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> All right. We'll see you on the 24th unless they didn't get back to us. But >> good. Thank you very >> Thank you. >> All right. 170 mil streets continued the uh update on nature trail. >> Um I haven't received any confirmation
on the site visit but I'll be I'll be reaching out to see if we can isolate the proper date for that. Um >> and then Pearly Brook Colbert, there was some movement on that sent to me during the week, >> right? Um, so I did confirm both from
being tagged in email correspondents and through actually talking to a couple representatives of National Grid during their open house for the A1B2 project that they had been um out for multiple
consultations and multiple site assessment visits for the for the Culver. Um, right now they're in the process of working with their engineering and their environmental team and auxiliary consultants in order to
properly address the culprit. Um, and so yeah, >> is that a corrugated culver? >> Yeah, it's an old corrugated metal culvert. Yeah. So, I mean those I think >> it's probably not it's probably yeah
>> I believe their life expecties if you're lucky are up to 50 years kind of thing but again you know when they're undersized and you have a bunch of different things happening you know that >> yeah it can it can >> it can change drastically
yeah because I think now the expectancy of replacements is you know they shoot for at least 75 years for a lot of for a lot of these um So, they be using the plastic one or will they be using concrete? Um I think that because of how
large the culvert was they it again I can't definitively say what the end result is going to be but you know some of our estimates when we were initially looking at it as it is also part of >> the pathway as well as being a utility
road. it um you know it might be best to replace it with more akin to either an open box or a bridge like structure um >> you know both for longevity and for stream continuity standards and stuff
>> because 50 years comes quickly it does >> um but yeah so I'll keep the commission posted on both of those for updates >> so they're out >> they promise talking about it, right? >> Yep. Yep. Yep. They're making plans again to do that.
>> Yeah. And we're also tightening up the avenues of communication between the city and, you know, National Grid and the consultants as well. So, it's, you know, things are looking up. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> right. >> Yeah.
Speaking of new business, I guess you could call it new business. Is the completion of the demolishing of the >> Greenwood >> Green River complete? >> Um, at least all the surface structure is completely completely
>> still. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, as far as the debris and probably the substructure, I think there's still a little bit to go, but but yeah, it's it's no longer standing. >> Um, so but yeah, I'm going to be
continuing to monitor that site as well as that is an active project for us. Um, >> yeah. And >> do you have anything on your agent report? outside of >> what we already talked about.
>> We already talked about see um I don't believe I have anything major outside what we've already discussed so far. Wish I would but um but perhaps by next
meeting. Um speaking of next meeting >> Yeah. So, >> um, >> judging by the workload we have in upcoming holidays, we're probably not going to have the December 22nd meeting. I know.
>> Okay. >> Will we get enough? >> Just you. >> Oh, Jesus. >> Well, looking right now with vacations and holidays that we're just getting the word out there we're not going to have that meeting. Not sure what you see that comes up, but we're putting it on there for record. Correct.
>> Yep. And then >> is that what you wanted me to say when you did this? >> I think it's probably got another wedding somewhere. >> No. >> Um, but yeah, I mean then we can just strategically plan to pick it back up
for what would be the first meeting of January, which won't be that hard. >> 12. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And then um on that professional development that MACC uh the unit 207 funals uh fundamentals
and uh enforcement workshop. I had cut that email. I don't think everybody got it, but it's too late now to get the money, but we're going to vote on getting reimbured if somebody does want to sign up for it because it's like Thursday, right? >> Wednesday. >> Wednesday.
>> Wednesday. >> Yeah. So, um, but >> if anyone's interested in it, we can vote on it. I'm kind of going back and forth if I can make it or not, but do you want to vote on the 595 just in case somebody signs up? >> Yeah, it
>> I'm I'm going to sign up. >> Okay. So, I'd like to make a motion to approve the expenditure of not to exceed $595 to take the MACC fundamentals unit 207 fundamentals of enforcement. >> Just a quick question. So if if you
wanted to go it it could with that money cover both >> everybody. >> Oh yeah, you can do it too. >> Yeah, this is the conservative estimate um as if we were measuring everybody as non-members and you know up to the maximum capacity of the commission. So
and and staff. >> It's like $60. >> Oh, okay. >> But I think >> you sent it out to everybody, right? >> Yeah, I did. >> Okay. So, if you decide to sign up, our vote is to to potentially spend up to the 595. >> I'll make that motion. >> So, I like to second that motion. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> So, again, if you you sign up, just give Justin the paperwork. >> Yep. >> Um, >> is it Thursday? When is it? >> It's the 13th. >> 13th. >> Just Wednesday. Oh, Wednesday. >> No, it's Thursday.
>> Yep. Thursday. Sorry, my bad. >> Thursday. >> This Thursday. >> Yeah. I just got the email last week. >> It's remote. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And it's from like 6 to 8. >> 6 to 8. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> I have taken it before and it's a pretty
good course. So, yeah, >> I took it a long time. >> But but do but you know, refreshers are always good. >> So, you taking it again? >> I'll let you know on I'll I'll let you know Wednesday. >> Social. >> All right. Next is uh upcoming meetings
the 24th and December 8th. Anybody else have any new business like to discuss? >> Anybody audience field looks good. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um >> it's not really grass, but I mean can't do anything unless you actually want to
till it and plant grass. I think >> you know you could graze some animals off that gra. >> All right. Someone like to make a motion to end tonight's hearings. >> I'll make that motion. Someone to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I move approve.