All right, let's get started. Everybody, thanks for coming. Busy night, so let's uh keep the cross talk down to a minimum and try to stay on the agenda. Does uh somebody in the public have anybody um want to talk about anything on the agenda that's new business? >> Alan, Mr. Chairman,
>> how you doing, Alan? >> Thank you, sir. Uh let's have a copy for yourself. I'll read this quickly. Uh my name is Alan Russo. I reside at 211 Spring Road here in Gardener. I'm also an a butter to the sludge landfill with my property at 500 Notre Dame Road.
Follow my comments relative to the gardener sledge landfill enforcement order. First, thank you for keeping the sledge landfill enforcement order open and for continuing to monitor the situation. In August, I emailed you a Mass D March
10th wastewater facility inspection form completed by Dan Kpasca, section chief for wastewater management that indicates that the sludge landfill is not in compliance. I repeat, not in compliance. It lists out many specific comments
including outdated 2016 on&m manual, Mccclure engineering not inspecting the outfalls and BMP's not being followed. Since March, has the O andM manual been updated and reviewed with B for
compliance? Bullet three. Over the next few months, we can expect that vegetation will die off, freezing temperatures, and more precipitation. These conditions increase the risk of slope erosion and further releases to the abiding wetlands.
And lastly, I respectfully urge you to keep the enforcement order open and to continue your ongoing monitoring. Thank you, Mr. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else have any um comments on the agenda? All right,
moving right down the agenda. Would someone like to make a motion to approve the meeting minutes of 9:22? >> I'll make that motion. >> Somebody like to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> So move is approved.
[Applause] Uh no one um emergency certifications at this time. The next is request for certificate of compliance. It's D160617 which is 95 Pearson Boulevard. This is the National Lumber Project. Is somebody here to represent?
>> Yes. >> Come on up. State your name for the record, please. >> David. >> Just head right over here. >> David Picher. >> So you guys finished the project. I remember this was going on. and um just never closed it out or
>> Yeah, I never closed it out. >> What's it being used for now? The machine's out of that. >> Nothing right now. It's going to be used for storage of materials. Storage of windows. >> So, how did it come out that it was never closed? >> I asked the builder that and he said
that we we kind of kicked him off the job because he was getting too expensive and so he didn't finish the certificate of compliance. You went out there? >> Yeah. Structures >> too much of this.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Anybody have any questions or comments or do you have any any concerns? >> Um is it is it is it meet all the codes? >> No.
>> Yeah. But our codes are good. All right. Did you uh give the city a copy of the asbuilds? >> Yes. >> This one And there's a statement by both the engineer and the builder that
should be which one's this as the same as >> there's no stamp on here saying that it's as certified there should
Sorry. Sorry. >> Is it stamped? >> Yeah, they're stamped, but it doesn't say as uh record of asbuilt. Just says design loads and stuff. Can you just confirm that these are the
asphalts quickly? read it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I know. But you know what? Can you just send Justin an email with the the latest and greatest and confirm that there are those requirements? >> Yes.
>> Okay. So, we're going to vote on the order of condition or the typical compliance just contingent on you sending us what you believe to be as bills for record. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> I was the wetland scientist involved with the permitting. >> Yeah, I remember that.
>> Okay. And it's for the LVL building. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I happened to be out there this past weekend and it was built according according to what I remember the uh the construction to be. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. Just send him a record. Some like
to make a motion to approve to submit a compliance for >> I'll make that motion. >> Some like to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for doing it right here. Appreciate it. >> Sorry to >> No, it's fine. Thank you.
we have this tomorrow. >> All right. Next enforcement order on the sludge landfill. >> Any update on that, Justin? >> Um, not so far as um correspondence with other parties, but I did take a site
visit out there with the board of health director last week. Um, no sign of any more recent outfalls of sediment or anything like that. and vegetation will be if it's not already
in dormcy will be going into dorcy pretty soon. So, we definitely should monitoring them for the time being, but um I might also reach out to um DPW to see if we can get any more
recent updates on some of their monitors. I believe it's been a minute since we received a couple of those. So, that's that'll be my next step. >> Okay. I also like to um request the
latest and greatest or up to date from the previous last date they gave us through to this this month all the inspection reports that they completed. >> And um anybody else in the commission have any new comments on the sledge landfill. All right, let's keep it open and vote
to keep it open until the November 24th. That'll give them enough time to get all those records together and submitted and then our review on the 10th and we'll uh postpone it or continue it on to November 24th. Someone like to make that motion to continue till the 24th. >> I'll make that motion.
>> Someone like to second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. I moved as approved. Our next one is enforcement order on 36 Nicole Terrace. How you doing? >> Hello. Individuals environmental. Uh
they conducted a site inspection this morning of the uh education. It's fall. The leaves have come off. I did some close inspection. This is uh the coal. We had multiple uh plantings
of small shrubs. Um those seem to have taken well. There are some larger. There were one gallon uh plantings of white pine. Anyway, they do have pictures of it. Uh, I would recommend during the growing
season if season go out and and see if it's they've leafed out and are thriving at that point. But everything seemed to be in good shape. There were some nibbles from the deer, but >> okay. [Applause]
>> These guys, both of them getting water. And the host didn't reach the bucket. >> So we same thing for >> Yeah. For both of them. >> Yeah. >> You guys have any questions or comments? Go ahead. None of them appear to die, right? They're just kind of maybe a
little stress. >> Yeah. At this point you went to you quick side. >> Oh, I did a quick drive by observation
both um late last week um definitely noticed you know a lot of vegetation's growing on 36 terrace um but not all site conditions are created equal it was a little harder to tell to what extent
um reestablishment occurred on 282 book side but you know at least I do see that at least a lot of the charities are doing pretty Well, >> yeah. >> Yeah. The only thing that I'd be worried about is some of those um some of those thinner
maples that were put more towards like the outside cuz they looked a little stressed even in the earlier stages of the drought itself. >> But we we should definitely keep an eye on those just to make sure that >> hopefully we'll have some more water in the springtime too than we've had this
summer. It's most challenging conditions. >> Yeah. But um scum sprouting has been good too. Really good. >> Right. And I I can also confirm that you know both of the um both of the property owners did do a lot you know despite the
drought conditions to try to tend to these plants. You know I mean even you know amongst you know some places where we were almost in water ban and stuff like that they they tried to keep the program very well. One of one of the thoughts I had was looking at Nicole
today. The buffer zone in the wetland areas have reveated with good wet meadow and grasses and so on. We've got water for our waddles out there and silk fencing and >> I'm looking to pull them up so that critters can pass through.
>> So, um when they get a chance on warmer days be able to pull them out. >> Okay. And I suggest slicing open the uh straw waddles and spreading the hay out. It'll decompose pretty quickly. >> Okay. You guys all right with that? >> Okay. >> Yeah. As long as they get the plastic out. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. >> So, what do you guys think? Continue it until April or let it go? >> We have one more report required anyway. So, >> okay. So, we want >> until things leaf out. >> Yeah. Just say see if they leave out because they all died. >> Yeah.
>> So, I mean, you think April's fair or May? >> I'm going May. Yeah. May May. >> All right. Let's uh push it to May 11th. >> Okay. >> Okay. Someone would like to make a motion to continue to May 11 on 36 Nicole Terrace. >> I'll make that motion.
>> Someone like to second that motion. >> Second it. >> All in favor? >> On 282 Brookside Drive. Someone that can make a motion to continue to uh May 11, 2026. >> I'll make that motion. >> Um someone like to second that motion. >> What?
>> There's nothing growing at that point. I mean it, you know, >> well, she owns the reporting, so she'll do one more and that'll be it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I'd like to make that second that motion for the 11th on 282 Brookside Drive. >> All second. >> All in favor? I
>> Thank you. >> Next under hearings request for determination of applicability. The Gardener Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under MGL chapter 131 section 14. what uh section 40 in the wetlands protection act and city of garden and
wetlands protection ordinance on a request for the termination of applicability followed by Williams and Sparrogus LLC on behalf of JJ McCarthy LLC for the proposed uh installation of a new sewer line to take place at 150
Linus Allen AB Gardener. The map is W71011. A portion of the work will be set to occur within the buffer zone of an isolated vegetated wetland as well as riverfront area. Somebody here represent? >> Yes, I do. >> And your name is
>> John Tilton Williams project. >> Thank you. Do you have coffee? >> Okay. You all see that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. So, this is I'm here tonight for a a guess redesign rule of
the existing sewer line. This is located at 50 L Road and this is the site of the um NRT bus facility. Um and over the years lately um in this location they have a sewer line backing up and once a
month they had to flush out to the point they brought portaotties in. It's been like that for a while. So they came to me asked me to look at me what the problem might be and how to solve it. And so what we found from the existing sewer line that is so flat and doesn't code it was wasn't really constructed
correctly. So they asked me to come up with design and make it work better. So this is the site here. So here here's the road out here. These existing um buildings out front. The access to the bus parking is here um with isolated here and a wet one here. Where the sewer
runs now is directly from this building straight out to the um existing sewer main here. And so we we set crew out here. We did some inverse. We found out that if it is flat, too flat. So we want to root it down this way here, which
would activities within the zone and buying up to the uh 30ft of the stair. So that our new design that'll meet, you know, we're chasing the slope downhill. Hill give us better slopes for the sewer. Um and a new sewer line. I think the clock was so long. And we're going
to run it right through on top of this. There's a line runs from the back here and trying to connect that as well because I suspect that one is just as flat. So, we just want to not run a problem down the road for both buildings. So, we're going to drop a sewer man hole on top of that line and connect the two lines and then run right
down to the existing sewer line and those are much greater pitches. We're almost like a it's like less than half a percent. So, we got a I think max I can't read that 3% 2%. So it really picks up enough gravity there. Um we are
showing proposed um siltation bar area here between the um the work area and the 30ft buffer. I have details construction details. Um Justin's been great working with me along the way. He knows we had a lot of problems out there. But um
>> where's the pump? >> There's no pump. We use gravity sewer. We would we would pump. Yeah. So, we felt we could chase it down here um to this point here and not have to pump it up to there. >> Yeah. >> You know, I did talk. So, they're pretty good. They were good to work with, but we had a couple designs. We had a pump
at first, but we thought this we can chase the sewer down. We want to connect this one into that one. This man here by gravity. We can meet the slopes we need to uh by co. So, >> I think you Yeah. >> So, why would you cut the angle off and make it shorter? Why are you going away
down here? Yeah, >> because it pitches down this way and we're just straight here. We're too high here. The streets actually are much higher. So, as it pitches down, our invert is much lower here than here. I'm not sure what the the invert is there,
but it's quite a bit. So, we straight across we have like less than half% slope. Here we have 3.5. I can't read that much here. And a 3% slope. So, it gives us the slope we need to push, you know, the sewer gravity wise downhill.
Okay. >> So that back line it's already existing. Is is that gravity now >> with this one here? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's gravity but it's also very flat. And I'm concerned we can pick it up to here because it's still flat there. We get almost a whole foot a drop
in the road. So by taking up here we can kind of pull this line with it. Um any sewer in this building here. This doesn't get much activity. The bathrooms up here. >> So there'll be no issues with having two at that point and then going down. >> Yeah. They emerge in here and there just one line and we would cut and cap these.
These would be cut off out the street. Cut and cap and move. So just one single line from that manhole. All gravity. >> How long is that line from from where they have to where it goes into the main? >> That one area is interesting. It's about
60 ft. 60 ft there. About 30 90 ft total length. >> And there's enough pitch to do it. >> Yeah. We have a 3% here. I think 3.5. I keep 2.5. So, you want to at least move 2% slope. Um, this wasn't close. It was
less than half%. Even less than that, actually. So, it had there's nothing upstream either to pull it down. >> Yeah. >> You know, so we, you know, it wasn't working well. I love you. >> Any questions?
>> Just what's sewing department's office is fire in favor of this? >> Yeah, I ran by the sewer department and the engineering department. They communicated with me very well. They reviewed this um back and forth and Justin um was involved too what we wanted to do here. So yeah, they they
saw it all. they had to improve it. You know, I was in I forget who it was. Uh super I forget his name. He talked quite a bit with the super department about this this design here. So, >> want to propose to do this work >> as soon as possible.
There's some port I don't I the line department flushed out, but they have portaotties down there. They have staff in this building here. >> How long have they had have the port johns out there? >> I'm not sure. They call me probably at least >> six two months ago. >> I think it's been about two months at this point.
>> How many times has it clogged since you know over the years? How many times do we know it's clogged? >> I I I I don't know. >> It was I he wouldn't specific see was getting worse and worse and worse. So I don't know. They flushed it keep flushing it to the point where monthly
or every other week it be flushing out >> and it was blocking. >> Yeah. At the point that John initially contacted me regarding the situation, it was at a point where that methodology was no longer viable either kind of thing. So
>> without water too, it would flow back in the building stink and >> can you describe sort of what the um you know how wide of the trench you have to dig or >> Yeah. So it would be 5 ft deep minimum cover probably the bottom of the trench is 5 ft wide by top you know you don't
use probably could be use 12 ft wide at some points um or use kind of the u barrier to protect the sidewalls you do that too so spill into the the buffer zone area >> it will spill
>> well it's yeah why so if it's if it's cut it down straight they have to they can use those um the areas on the side so it won't encroach into the 30 foot. >> It won't now. Okay. >> Yeah, that's the whole point here. They would have to put the association out first. That's a limited work. Nothing
beyond that. >> How many What the Sorry, >> I was wondering where the vegetation is the current >> trees and yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Where's your property line? >> So from here out. Oh, I see.
>> They own both. This is a property here. There's property right down the middle. They own both properties right now. >> So, there's no Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. The front. >> But I didn't see it on here. >> I have a whole Do you want to see the entire parcel? >> No. >> Okay. >> I have another plan.
>> You just go over the elevation where it is now and where it's going to go. >> I mean, it's really hard to see and you're struggling up there. I don't know how we're supposed to make determination when we can't even see what it is. My glasses. >> I know. I'm old, but I'm over here with my phone and I feel like
my wife. >> I think we should magnify glasses. Seriously. >> Yeah, this happens a lot. [Music] >> That's a new manhole going in, right? Correct.
>> That's all of the pavement area, right? That is just see here. So just outside the paving area. Here's the paving area here. Okay. It's just inside. >> So that bold line is not the paved area. >> No, >> that's what is that line?
>> So here's the p here's the paving area here like that. We're putting it just outside the grass area, not the road itself. So invert at the building is 98 out of and our invert at the road is 9480. So we're we're down quite we have
a nice pitch from there to there. And the sewer manhole invert is >> Yeah, I see the >> 962. So >> yeah. And what is it today? >> Up here it's about >> 97
9783 and it's 98. So it's just tense. >> You know what my kids are here? They've been making fun of you right now. >> What's that? >> Oh, you're going All right. >> It's really flat. >> It's just very very flat.
>> Yeah. Uh >> I don't know. Can I just ask real quick? You said 98 and then the manhole would be at 96. It was 2 feet. You said it had to be at least two feet. I mean >> it's 958 in there. It's out at 90. It's out at 98 and the manhole is 958. And
then the street it's >> Oh, man's 958. >> Yeah. 95 948 in the road. No, the the manhole the new manhole is at >> Yep. So, sorry. The new manhole is at >> You said 962. Sorry.
>> So, it's not quite 2 feet. >> I was just curious. You said it had to be at least two feet. >> No, 2%. >> Oh, 2%. Okay. >> So, we had slopes 2.5 slope. >> Can I find that folder I asked you to find for this site? >> Remember I was talking to I wanted to
see the folder from the previous >> 2%. >> Yeah. Yeah. You ever find it? >> Wow. I couldn't go back. >> No. Didn't know you had time. I know you. >> Okay. >> There. >> Yeah. >> Just ting into it.
>> Yeah. >> What type of erosion control you going to have in place while you're doing this? I know we just briefly talked about it, but I don't see anything on this. >> Yeah. Here. Um >> right there. >> Oh, I see it. >> Mul.
>> Yeah. propose if that's your prefer. I don't know if there's another consultation fence. It's, you know, >> yeah, I don't know. >> Does it really? We show it to both here. >> Great. See that? >> But I'd like to see more than what it is, but I don't I'm trying to look at what it really looks like in the topo if
it would go that way. I don't see it. Where would you put that erosion controls on your drawing? >> The 30 foot. >> Yeah. So, it's here. I have it here and it runs like this. >> Okay. >> Down that way. >> All right. Good. >> Between the work, right?
>> So, I'm looking at the picture on here trying to >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I know you said you want to start ASAP, but what's the duration of work? How long would it be open in that area? >> Um, the contractor we spoke to,
>> he's a local guy. I'm not sure how long it would take to do that. >> Do you have a contractor line that line up? >> Yeah, it's a local contractor. I forget. He was on the email suggesting I familiar with his name. He he said he works with department all the time. >> Yeah. I'm just What are we going to do
about getting this to grow back at this time of the year? That's why I was asking how long and I don't know when you can get plantings. >> Yeah, I know. I know. Um >> what's the finish supposed to look like when it's done? >> So just grass. I mean, you know, back fill it grass the seed it probably will
be the springtime so we can get some grass seed on at this point. We probably have them um maintain and monitor the erosion controls until until plantings are able to be put. >> Listen, I do I do it for a living. That doesn't happen in
>> Oh, no, no, no, no. I meant I meant I meant like when they implement it in the spring and then >> it's just a grassy area now, right? >> Yeah, that's grass. It's kind of Yeah. >> I saw the board. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah.
>> All right. Do you have anything else you want to discuss? >> So, we we make an order condition for some type of like Hey, put down the stop now, including barriers, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I I would just add like if this was a
new built, I wouldn't be here now. I'd come in the springtime and >> Yeah. Yeah. Now we're up. because the sewer is wrong and and they've had inside the building. Disgusting, I guess. So, >> we were trying to get here >> two weeks ago. >> I know. >> Yeah.
>> All right. I'd like to make a motion to close the hearing on 150 minus Allen. >> I'll make that motion to close the hearing. >> So, I like to second that motion. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor? I >> I'm all right with the job. I think we got to move forward, get it done. I know there's been a lot of talk about that
site um over the years and what they wanted to do. >> Yes. >> And a couple times I was told that um if you let me do this, I'll fix all the violations on the site. So I'm really hesitant of what happens out here because of all the standing violations. Yeah. >> And the owners never came before us
again after they gave us the ultramatum which I'm never going to accept. Um but in this situation obviously other people are being affected. >> Yeah. I don't know that history. >> I know you don't. I'm just letting you know there's quite a few violations. Okay. >> Um, you have anything to add on this,
Justin? >> Questions? >> Yeah, nothing. >> I mean, can we can we have some make sure that you we have a siltation defense to stop siltation, but can we have something put down on the bare earth dirt to stop erosion? >> Yeah. Yeah. I think we were going to go
with a negative three and then um some type of additional erosion controls, whatever you find. >> Yeah, I can talk with John about that. contingent upon the final determination on which methodology is best. >> Yeah. Whatever you guys think on site would be best for the control.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Would someone like to make a motion to approve the negative three for 150 line of salon? >> I'll make that motion. >> Someone like to second that motion. >> All in favor? I >> thanks very much. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> You want to sign anything or think you gave it to me? Uh next on the agenda is notice of intent. Uh Dun State Park regarding the conservation commission will hold a joint public hearing under MGL chapter 131 section 40 the wildlands protection act the city of gardener wland
protection ordinance and those in attent followed by a com on behalf of mass department of conservation recreation for a proposed drainage improvement and resurfacing project located at Dun State Park at 289 street. It's map W27162.
Portions of the proposed work are sent to occur within the buffer zone of an inland bank bordering land underwater. Uh it's been given a D number of 160 0680. Is somebody represent? >> Yes. >> How your name is please? >> Fish.
Come on up. Give us a brief rundown of the project and an update where you stand today. >> Yes. Uh hi. Good evening. Uh we came before you on August 11th to prepare to present the announcement of intent for Dun State Park. Uh Mass DCR is proposing
drain um drainage improvements at the park. Um they're proposing to do various um repaving uh throughout the park including um of the parking lot. They want to uh repave the uh pedestrian walkways. Uh the new uh improvements that they want to make within jurisdiction include a the improvement
of the existing water quality soil um as well as uh creating a rain garden. Um that will be within the buffer zone to bank to Dun Pond. Uh the uh update since we came before you last time um D had um requested that
we resubmit the storm water report to them. Um we sent that back in on October 6th. Um and then following that they uh issued the D file number to us. Um we also I believe the last commission here we had um received um a comment
regarding the above others notice um which we had um sent a response to Justin about. Um hopefully that all will circulate to all of you. >> You get it? >> Um um and that's kind of uh up to speed from what I was last time. >> What's the timeline?
>> Um I know DCR was just saying to Justin DCR's kind of um rep prioritized a lot of things at the moment. So I don't have that information on how I am. Was there any significant changes in the uh when the water storm water management was uh
presubmitted? I saw I saw an earlier version. >> Yes. Um uh D had come back and said that um they had believed that we had said that we were exempt and we just responded to say that we were not claiming that we're exempt. We were just we're claiming redevelopment. Um and so uh we sent it back to satisfy them that
we had um satisfied all the standards under um storm markets. Yeah. Do you have a maintenance plan now out there? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> You might want to check because I remember Melissa having one at one point
way back in the day. Do you remember that? >> When they did some of the repairs to the path around the pond. >> Yeah. You saw that in the notes from D about an on andm plan. >> Yes.
What were the notes? What were those? >> That was pretty much pass over there. >> Well, they also asked about test pits at the rain garden. Does that need to be done? I mean, >> I didn't see it. >> Our engineer had come back and said that
we don't want to have any other impacts on the site and um going kind of doing analysis of the site itself. we were satisfied that what we had done for our analysis was um >> okay I'm just going based on what the comments I don't know why that would be
>> just to make sure I guess >> yeah um but location >> so you did see the comments but you guys didn't provide a on and plan was that but not part of your contract >> uh not that I'm aware of yeah I don't I don't believe
there any questions or comments? Am I right? Just on that on that note, if I could ask. Go ahead. There's going to be a rain garden. Then you said another swale or something. Is that what you said? >> Yeah, there's an existing soil on the property. Um we're going to do an improvement. Um they're going to add um
a new pipe underneath. Um it's going to help with infiltration already existing at the site. They're going to do some improvement grading as well just to make sure that everything that it goes downstream it kind of collects down. >> Yeah. So based on Greg's comment, I mean we always get these come before us and there's no plan to ever take care of it after that.
>> Mhm. >> So what do we do about that? >> It's a good question. Um >> I swear they g this is >> but someone's got to do it and often times it's not done. over this one. We'd like to see something in writing through
some ON&M plan or something. >> Well, D's commented saying that they they expect it. >> Yeah. So, >> I guess we can make that in order. >> Well, you know, the state highway doesn't do it. I guess they figured everybody else should have to do it. >> I mean, it's not that they don't take care, but they they maintain the trails.
But I >> I get it. I'm just saying just to ensure taken care of. >> All right. So, it seems like the D is saying we could just take that old plan and use it for this one. I don't know how appropriate that is or not. >> I don't know. I don't remember much.
>> You have comments on this? >> I guess I would sort of hate to have that, you know, part of our orders is, you know, perpetual to use this ONM plan that's not designed for the system. >> Yeah, I know. >> Or Yeah. I I because I think the person can always say, "Well, no, it's we don't have time for this this design."
>> There's a shame you're doing all that work and then there's no one there that's going to really understand how to maintain it, >> right? Of course, >> cuz it was never maintained. That's why they had the problem, right? Cuz it was never maintained. Could have been designed when it was done, >> right? Since it was done,
25 years ago, whenever it was. >> Yeah. deep condition annual cleaning at least. >> Yeah. You put it all. You're quiet over there. >> I'm always quiet. I'm just kidding.
Yeah. Um but I mean reviewing and potentially implementing a new onm could be a valid condition wished. Um and I mean maybe you know yeah I I say that's
probably as long as they're amicable to doing >> I don't think they have an option saying the same thing. >> Yeah if we say no >> when do you start this work? >> I don't have a date for that yet unfortunately. >> Yeah I'm happy to take this back to DCR. I just don't want to speak for them just
because Tom is not here tonight but um obviously I'm happy to get back to them. I think I think we should have the on and before we approve of anything. >> I think so too because it's been an issue. >> I would definitely I it's kind of been here 10 years ago they did a on and plan when they did >> when Melissa did some work over by the
front of the building. She came before us. Do you remember all this? I you know I I remember when they >> when they when they put more sand down >> Yeah. All that too. >> Yeah. And that was I went up and couldn't find a pile but only
I don't know. That was crazy. >> I mean, I like to continue and get the report, the on and manual. >> Mhm. >> And even if you sent it to us, would you be able to vote? You wouldn't have to come all the way back to that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Do you think you'd get an O and M manual together by the next meeting?
>> Yeah, I think so. >> Okay. I definitely would look for the other ones that I remember it somewhere. We might even have a copy, but So, if you guys are okay, let's um vote to approve to the 10th. >> Okay. Someone like to make a motion to continue um Dun Park until November 10th.
>> I'll make that motion. >> Someone like to second that motion. >> Second it. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> The next is 42 Linus Allen. That's one that's going to be continued. >> Yes. >> Um you want to I'm sorry. What's What
was the date they wanted? >> Uh next available meeting which the 10th. >> Okay. I'm not going to read the whole thing again then. So for uh 42 Linus Allen, someone would like to make a motion at the element property owner's request to continue to November 10th.
>> I'll make a motion. >> So like to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> So move is approved. Old business 170 Mil Street. Um at this time there's no new update, right? You did take a slight visit out
there. >> Everything okay? did go up this afternoon. Um, seems that enough time has passed where you see a bit of vegetation reestablishing on some of the bits of land that were once underwater,
>> including including small cattails growing along the bank of the river. um or should say kind of like the it's kind of like an elongated scour pool in a sense kind of thing just cuz you still have a little bit of an impoundment but not enough to
cause concern. But um yeah um yeah conditions haven't significantly changed and we've been kind of lucky with you know the very inclement drier weather that we've had over the past few months. I haven't checked the EA drought status in a
moment, but I think we're even with all the precipitation we've gotten, we're still kind of in that zone. So, but yeah, I'll be continuing to monitor and and you know, major changes.
>> Yeah. >> All right. We're going to continue this and keep it open. Would someone like to make a motion to continue to 128 December 8th? Make that motion. >> Someone want to second the motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I
move to approve nature trail update. Do you want to kind of go over that? Just a couple of trees that's kind of still out there. >> Sure. Um, so the department was able to get in touch with the contractor and
finally state the concerns about the condition of the planting since they did not take. Um, and so they're very amicable with working with us to resolve this. We're still
pinpointing an exact site visit date, but I will be going out with both the director of the department and the representative from the contractor to go and look at the plantings and make sure that >> Did did anything take?
>> They all died. >> I mean, the you still have a bit of central stem leaf growth from the river birches. little >> I don't I don't think it was >> because where they
stage they would typically ride >> the river but not the only surv >> I mean are there that's not wrong they
just didn't get the right tree didn't water it there was supposed to be watering those the entire time so this doesn't happen next summer >> as far as I know it was with the one year warranty so I said it was water
>> so what do we do now let us know the meeting is the outcome is >> yes I'll I'll keep when the meeting is um and then I'll try to see getting people on show day two so you know can
be a part of the discussion um if you choose and then >> not hasn't really changed. I mean the stocks are about the same size that they the stuff that actually did break through are the same size or I think we could
discuss with the contractor you know how to keep putting tension on that section as well contract also it's that section warranty as well >> so they
could yeah I think what Another layer of guitar. You know what? I think I told you that I was told what's happening there. Birds hearing it growing through the plastic. It's happened before. >> What? >> They're they're saying that birds are pecking through. >> Oh, they hear that we rubbing
>> on the plastic and they spreadable source. >> No, my my question was, you know, why didn't take the first time? No, this this drought isn't going to go away next spring. >> I mean, we made some of what table 8 9
10 12t below what it should be. Hey, >> this is true. But these other home owners that we heard from before they were close to water table. >> Yeah, they were paying attention to >> why they put water on these water.
We also do the office too. When I was looking through Bondo, >> we had a bunch. >> Yeah, we had a whole bunch. So, we could probably do that. >> All right. So, you weren't doing any different. >> No, I think it's the speed was okay. >> They just
let us know. >> How's it going? Um, I haven't heard any official progress on that. >> Is Jason talking to somebody yet on this? >> As far as I know, he does have
contact. Yeah, but I don't have >> the one that's been communicating as response to the >> on record. Could you ask J to copy me as communications on this? >> Yes. >> I'm requesting. No, I'll take ask and request specific request. Thank you.
>> You know, I want to get something out. You know, we're little fish. You know that the people that >> Well, they can really they are just so in their best interest. >> Yeah, that's true. They don't see it that way.
>> I don't think they're in my trust. >> I don't know. >> All right. Thank you. You got something else? I was going to clarify. Is it the National Grid? I mean, who's >> they? So, but I guess my concern is we're 4 months into this and it seems like we're just saying we're not sure who's in
responses right >> when they come in to replace all of those poles. They're not be able to drive truck across that. >> Oh, they'll fix that. >> Yeah, that's true. >> Yeah. our new business um project status update discussion for D1000673
key conservation county and trust guys. >> Okay, >> we got some elevation changes out there. >> Yes, >> never happens in construction ever. >> Oh, never never mind. >> Never. >> Um definitely. Um I wanted to update and also I had so
we could sure we're in line with closing our roof conditions when we get there which our activation contractor is like a day away from being done. He just is waiting for me to get the full work before he pulls his equipment off site. Um he had so basically we had our engineered plan. He tried to work to the
plan but hit ledge and some buried cement stuff from the previous construction and so the graves are like the slopes and everything are close to the plan but they're a little bit higher than >> what's a little bit high >> I talking 10 ft 5t but
>> probably about 10 ft but >> probably >> I don't have feet measure >> you can't measure >> or like I don't have the I don't have the exact elevations I don't so basically why I'm here is the what's going to be as far as our uh contractor explain to us that's what they're
capable of doing with the machinery. So I want to understand what we need to bring to you or what the work condition is considering is not the exact measurements that our engineer plan had. Um I talked to the hopes of pering at the beginning of the project and they said we can have our storm water people go out and look and sign off that the
storm water is the same or what the difference to what they reported in their original storm water plan might be. if we needed to do an asphalt that would be incredibly challenging for us financially. So I'm just trying to figure out what >> well a couple things on that done formul total wine station out there and just
put some points on the drawing and call it a day and they'd have to do that anyways. They were going to confirm what Gates they had on the drawings match what the site was. So the cost should be zero um on that. So that's something you should talk about with your contractor probably told their $10. That means a total point. >> No, he hasn't told me. He basically said
this is what I can do and he didn't measure it. But he needs to measure because he measured perhead. >> I'm not asking for go. I'm asking. >> So I know what I was something from BSC or engineer record was this day that like you said the storm water run off what that impact could be.
>> Yeah. And the from the storm water report what I talked to BS about was that all the very everything was draining super well even before we did a couple. >> So you know they're pretty confident that they have their guy go out and you know re look at things but you know and we've had no erosion issues even before
we did site work. And there are some, you know, massive piles of unsecured stuff. So, okay. So, >> you talking about >> approximately the DA original. >> So, it's a whole area a little under 20. A little over 20. >> The whole thing is all off everywhere.
>> Yes. So, basically, like I said, contours are similar to the engineered plan, but just the actual height of everything is a little higher than the plan had indicated just because they hit ledge and they hit some stuff that could have moved. >> They plant on that still like the grasses and stuff or that could actually take over. So we're doing a little of both. We're going to do a little bit of
stream planning. I'm actually meeting with Chris the one of the ecologists on Wednesday. I'm out there. He was kind of our consultant on the actual restoration piece. So taking a walk with Wednesday afternoon to kind of re get his assessment to to figure out how much should we plan, what exactly do we what are the best places to strategically
plant and then we let kind of takes time and things spread. We do still see bankable blue there which is the biggest species that we're looking to have expand. >> Okay. Yeah, we didn't touch this side across the street from where the giant mounds are. So there's still some really good little stuff over there spread. >> Now do you have control points marked on
site that are going to >> we didn't from the beginning either. >> B elevations they need to be at any point. How does how >> well the engineer we had due to plan was not BSC. The engineer we had due plan was Chris Otter. And so when we hired
the contractor, we did not plant. The contractor is planner report and did all the printing. >> So there's no points anywhere on the drawings or anything like anywhere that they've used. >> Not that I know. >> There has to be. >> Come on, man. You know, you're out of money.
>> You're running a machine, you know. And this is my portfolio of all which is why I'm here to make sure that I'm think around that area. So we at least know you know you go to get condition what what those are comp what elevation
doesn't have to be but you got to know what I'll talk to >> I think it's a big deal we're trying to make sure you can get in >> that's why I wanted to come at the office I want to make sure we're you know make everybody happy with what they need >> okay >> and as you know I build anything so for
us like >> it's good point for the most part but it might be nice to know what it is case is still running Yeah, >> I don't know. I guess he could do that with point. >> I don't know that they were thinking that they would calculate the elevation. I think they were thinking it would just confirm movement and
>> keep >> I do have one other thing on you something else. Here we go. >> I submitted the virtual certification. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. >> So submitted. We will hopefully hear back from that. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you for prosecuting. >> We just put one strike off. >> All right. The other one was a vote to approve of $1,600 for the Alcatus moment for Miss Lar. So I'm attemp.
>> Yes. Okay. Yeah. I make that motion. >> Second. All in favor? Hi notifications and any update on that? >> So those go to be doing couple of
their existing lines. Um one for all of this year. One of them is set to be believe and I remember sending them to email but I
don't remember nothing at least the extent of the