All right, everybody. Uh, let's get started. Everybody sign in. First on the agenda is public comment. Um, anybody in the audience have any comments? No. Uh, next is minutes. Would someone like to make a motion to approve the minutes
of February 9th, 2026? I'll make that motion. Some like to second that motion. I'll second. >> All in favor? I. Somebody's approved. No emergency certifications, no request for certificate compliance. The enforcement orders are all continued.
The Sledge landfill will continue it um till the 39 36 Nicole Terrace 511 282 Brookside Drive also 511. The next is a hearing to 31 Traverse Street. Have you heard anything on that? >> No. I don't anticipate getting um any
results from any surveyors until the spring. >> Yeah, it's continued through the 9th. Anyways, uh the next one is uh 66 Tony Boulevard. The Gardener Conservation Commission hold a joint public hearing under MGL chapter 131 section 40 in the wetlands protection act and city of
gardener wetlands protecting ordinance on notice of intent followed by Bowler LLC on behalf of Walmart Real Estate Business Trust for the proposed redevelopment and construction of fuel station and convenience store with landscaping associated utilities storm water infrastructure located at 677 Timy
Boulevard. It's map R12-16-1. Portions of the proposed work are set to occur within the buffer zone of a bordering vegetated wetland and isolated vegetation vegetated wetlands. It's D160-0682. This is a continuence from February
23rd, 2026. Somebody here to represent. >> How you doing? >> Good. >> All right. Don't worry, guys. >> Watch it went up in the Disney Channel. >> You're lucky it didn't end up on the Disney Channel.
You never know yet. All right. So, good evening. Conor Andis Ber Engineering behalf of the applicant at Walmart Real Estate Business Trust for the notice of intent application with parents request to construct the Walmart fuel station at 677 Tiff
Boulevard. So, from last hearing, I think there were three main things uh that we wanted to address for this hearing. The first of them being updating the full plan set and providing that based on the site sketch that we provided in the last meeting. Uh so, we did that here. um provided those sheets
and then we also added the emergency shut off valve at the end of the drainage system prior to discharge. Um second thing was snow storage. So we're showing a tiny piece of snow
storage on um the site plan here. There's not much area on the site. We keeping it out of the 100 foot weather buffers. We did also add a plan note essentially stating any excess snow to be stored if you have a event like this past weekend or a month ago to be stored
elsewhere on site outside of any resource areas. And I worked with with Justin on some draft language or he provided some draft language of that and reviewed it in agreements on that. Um essentially stating the same thing to handle snow reasonably elsewhere on site
if it needs to be on off it can. But um storing it somewhere on else on site would be the the first option there. >> Can sorry this back this is the this 100 foot. >> This this is the Yeah. So this is the 100 foot there and then that's as well
there. So the reason why it's it's cut off a little bit here. Um there's this existing kind of depression here that has a pipe going across the across the street. So he kind of wanted to stay out of that area um as well. >> That's where your snow storage is all right.
>> Snow storage is kind of just pl north of that. >> Does it slope down to it? >> It slopes. It kind of has a a high point in here too. So this will slope so it go down that depression though, right? >> Yep. >> That's kind of what it does now.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um and just to cover the third thing that was brought up the last hearing was the third party inspections during construction. Um yeah, we're happy to make that a condition um in this and
just want to add that it rather than us provide a construction like timeline and and plan for that third party inspection. We willing to provide a third party inspection fee or put that money in an escrow for the city to use at their convenience. >> Yeah, that's what we typically do. It'd
be easier for the the contractor and the third party to coordinate directly. They're going to be more in tune with the day-to-day of when important things would be installed like control and the jellyfish filter, other other components of the drainage system, foundations, and then just doing a routine daily checklist. Um,
>> how would how would that work? Would would we go get quotes or you would get quotes or how would that work, Justin? Um, in this particular case, >> I think we'd work with the general contractor to figure that out. Yeah, I'm not This would be the first third party
inspection that I've worked on from start to finish. So, I'd probably be >> So, with the treasure, >> in my other world, uh, the town gets got quotes, then we get to select which one we wanted. >> Okay. I know it's a little weird, but they
>> was always done. >> That's what we've done in the past, but I know that depends. That's what they they're doing. >> They get help with the with the from the engineers and they review it as well because you don't want the contractor picking who they're going with. That would be kind of would be third party,
you know, technical. >> Yeah, I know Walmart was thinking somewhere in the $7,500 range. Um, that's just a starting point there. >> Yeah. >> Not to exceed. But they're pretty flexible with somewhere in that general. >> Okay. >> And then I have an answer to your
question. >> So I don't have the the fuel specific, but in terms of of water being able to to be stored in the system. So this underground system has the or this little chamber system here has the capacity to um hold 1,000 cubic feet of
water >> gallons. And that in gallons is uh 8,625. And that's just the system. That's not in that's not accounting for any >> pipes, any catch catch basin or anything that might puddle out of that. So
there's the answer. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I don't know why, you know, in a situation like this, I don't know why that wasn't included. Uh yeah, I I wasn't thinking fuel specific is we always just think of >> you know when they you know
>> nobody wants to spill. Certainly you don't. We don't either. I mean >> you know it's it does happen. I mean you know >> that that's that was why I pushed it, you know. >> Yeah. No, thank you. Try to try to get get you an answer. It's hard to model like exactly
>> Yeah. >> what the the condition would be. Um we do the best with the software that's available. So >> Right. Yeah, >> thank you. >> No, thank you. >> Anything else changed in the drawing from our last meeting? >> Um on the the site plan.
>> Yeah. >> Uh hey, we we fixed this walk here just to make it uh ADA compliant. I mean, last time was just a sketch, so we just modified that a bit. This it stayed the
same pretty much from the sketch that was shared except for that one little bit. Mhm. >> Um grading changed the the design is the same just the elevations change from when we shift to the building >> the grading intent and all the ridge lines and where
>> uh water is being sent is is the same and then yeah anything that was really updated with the bon shift like like utilities time correctly. One more question and I won't answer anymore.
Who who on that storage shift? You know it's a catastrophic spill, right? >> Who governs that? >> Who who determines that? >> Is that a state thing or a federal thing or what?
>> Are you saying who mitigates the who gets alerted? >> Um, >> you don't know. >> I know. I don't know who exactly is the >> Yeah, I'm just cur, you know, I'm just curious, you know. >> Uh, but how it works is it's all electronically monitored. So, there's the Donn ground tanks here and then any
um the pumps too. If there's any sort of leaks with those, it gets sent back to the store directly here. And then, yeah, >> it it usually alerts the local like fire department, DV or s such. Um and then it also goes back to not not this Walmart
store but like Walmart's like headquarters like their mother ship. >> Yeah. >> Um in case it is it is closed at that time. So there are alerts that go out. Um and then any tanker suppose that would happen they wouldn't be doing any loading um or or refueling of the underground tanks during off hours. So
if something happened during that time period it be visible and people get outside too. >> All right. So as far as the variance, can you go over really the variance is for the outfall only, correct?
>> The variance that you guys were requesting. >> The variance request was for um the disturbance and the 30 foot no disturb >> which has already been pre previously disturbed. >> Which has already been previously disturbed um even up to I guess.
Yeah. So, this is all mostly rip wrap back here like the edge of the woods. >> Um, this is already disturbed. We're replacing the pipe exactly where it is with the outfall structure. So, the 30 foot not disturbance request, all that stuff is already disturbed. Um, we went
through this I think at the first or second meeting >> that's being improved. And then the I guess part of that too is the 60 foot no build zone. Um, so we shifted the the trash enclosure structure out of it. What you're seeing that's still in front
is the is the gate swings. So they're not actually um in in the ground. And we also shifted the building out of the 60 ft. And then we have the the fuel as well. So the columns here and fuel tanks are outside of that buffer, but you still have the canopy overhang. And that
was one of the questions was if we still needed that variance request for that that overhang. So those are kind of the things that get folded into that that variance request there. >> Okay. Do you have any other questions for us or any other information to share with us?
>> Um >> no your company. >> Yeah. >> You do all kinds of engineering, right? >> Yes. >> Is this the first one of these you've done? >> This is the first Walmart fuel station. This is the first gas station that I've
done. I usually do like Plex restaurants and some of that that stuff. >> Um but other people in our company have done fuel as well. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They've done a lot of them, >> but this is the first Walmart fuel station.
>> This is the first one in mass, right? >> Yep. Yeah. >> Yeah. First one that would be be built in mass. >> This this is the first this is the first fuel station I've ever been involved with. >> Um and so I don't know anything about these. um do
>> this. The first time we've been involved with >> Yeah. Do you want to have a third party look at this plan? >> That's why we're doing a third party. Yeah. >> Well, I thought I thought third party is just construction. >> Yeah. The only other fuel station we And we didn't get involved because there's no wetlands and that's the gumbling down here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which is a new one while it's 10 years
old or whatever it is. >> Even having a third with that third party person just look at these plans and say >> they would look at it throughout construction. But I mean if it wasn't previously disturbed that you know that that's where I would say right right from the start. >> Yeah.
>> But I mean even >> we also >> the spill handling handling the spills and all that. >> Um well they that would be under the review during the third party but they actually have state regulations on all that stuff. That's probably harder than we can enforce anyways with the D and
the EPA. What is it? Eight cap or eight gallons. You got a report? >> I'm not entirely sure. >> That's all I believe is, but you say over 80 gallons. I think so. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And you kind of hinted out what I was going to say. So, it's still got to
be reviewed state local fire. Um, there's underground storage licenses you need. And then it's also we're still got to go through plan war too. So, reviewed by the the city engineer as well. It's part of that process probably.
Maybe not for the same things that conservation but for the fuel use in general. >> Well, the fuel storage is pretty much for the the department. Okay. So, I have done this before, but not in Massachusetts
the your fuel storage that goes under the fire department, right? Yeah. >> For the local I mean, >> right. >> Yeah. The state gets involved in after so many gallons, I would assume. But All right. Are you guys ready to close the hearing?
>> Oh, that first there's one more um part that's I think the Yeah, I think there was one condition that um Connor had notified me about that um may have um that >> poses potential conflict with the scope
um even with the variance just due to the language of it. Um so condition 38 under what we've discovered was the revised um standard order of conditions um
says um says under no conditions or circumstance shell storage of material stock piling soil any other work or site disturbance temporary or permanent occur on the wetland side of the limit the
work line or within in the 30 foot no disturb of any wetland resource area or within the 100t of a CBP or a PVP um or certified vernal pool potential burn
pool um and knowing that the commission doesn't like to outright remove conditions you know given the scope of work that is being presented to the commission. Um,
I think that the potential low impact workound is to write a disclaimer kind of akin to a past project that we >> Yeah. >> that we had um which would have verbiage,
you know, in accordance to the variance and, you know, outlining the particular portions of work. Um, you know, that condition 38 or portions of condition 38 would be nonapplicable to this project. >> Well, that's why we're giving the
variance because of item 38. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But you still want to also put the disclaimer for the condition. >> So disclaimer right to read this. >> Um I mean again I kind of think word for word on that but yeah >> just yeah >> so clarification.
>> Yeah. I guess I'm not following. You're saying that they are allowed to now store stuff within a 35 just because you got 38. >> Yeah. Oh, you have it. >> Yeah. Just because condition 38's about the no disturb zone.
>> Um it just says storage or stockpiling >> or any other work. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that would be yeah, you know, in addition to the variance, you know, just as clarification, you know, >> in order to do that. >> Yeah.
>> So you're saying we need to work word submit something of a disclaimer to satisfy the special condition of number 38. >> Yes. Yeah. >> And the proving of the variance doesn't do that. >> That's the reason why I thought we had
the variance. And the variance is saying >> is saying that work can be allowed within the for the specific project. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. >> Do you agree with that? >> I Yeah. >> That's why I thought the whole point of a variance was to to we could potentially remove that special
condition with because of the variance. So I could do the variance. >> Yeah. I I just know that the commission doesn't typically like need to delete or like us to delete conditions. That's why the disclaimer just kind of says specifically is that you know as a result of this variance that this
condition or this piece of this condition does not apply to the scope of work. Yeah. >> Yeah. I do apologize for the confusion. >> I mean I think that's better than removing the condition. >> Yeah. >> That makes it clear that it's just the
variance that's allowing that work. >> You remove the condition it's not as clear >> in my opinion. But >> no. Yeah. >> So, how do you how do you propose? Well, we can close the hearing and then talk about the variance, right? Of course,
you leave it open and talked about the variance. >> You should leave it open. >> Yeah. Talk about variance. I I think >> so. Well, what do you think? >> You can't really
>> I I can't really make that decision. No, I didn't say so. I asked you what? >> You can give us your opinion and >> we'll throw you out the door. >> Now, we want to make sure you >> want me to read this?
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> So variance in order in order of portions of the approved work to occur within the 30 foot no build zone. The commission under discretion has allowed for a variance of both the work associated with withdrawing total
impermeable surface because there is a portion that will be withdrawn. >> Yeah. Well, we need to add to that. So in order for port in order for portions of the approved work to occur
within the 30-foot no buffer no disturb zone the commission under their discretion has allowed for a variance of both work associated with withdrawing total perial surfaces and >> because the rest is the work with the
storm water infrastructure that's going to be within the 30 in the treatment structures. >> Yeah. >> I didn't hear you say the reason why we're allowing variance. That probably should go in there, too. >> Yeah.
See, not the whole I I don't remember. If you go there's there's a lot of these fueling stations that are around here, right? Some some are um this is one in orange in the orange center. It's right next to the
Millers River and it's it's brand new. It's probably 2 years old, right? And their fueling station is in the front next to the street and the back is the building and there's a a Dunkin Donuts in there too, right?
Same with these temple. The fueling station is in the front and the building is in the back. You go to the uh where where 122 and group 2A meet in orange or alth
is is a tumbling fueling station is in the front. The building if you want to go get a soda what you want is in the back. Right. If this was designed like that we wouldn't be talking about this. Well, technically it is.
>> If if you' put if you would have put the fueling station right right there, right where the building is and put the building in the back, you wouldn't have this problem. >> I'm not saying I'm not saying >> but still it's
>> like if you make if you make the fueling station parallel to the driveway, >> right? >> And then >> the building would be in the back >> building and And when you say back, you don't mean to Tony Boulevard. You mean to the driveway. The way people are going to get into it.
>> What? It has nothing to do with the with the the 30 foot no building. The variance we're looking if you had >> the fueling station. If the fueling station was put here and the building was put there, right? >> Yeah. >> You wouldn't have this problem. I think
the the fueling station might be in the 60 foot buffer at that point. But >> yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> I know, but you know, one of my my question is I'm not saying
you're wrong, but maybe maybe maybe CL and all the other people are wrong. I don't know. >> But that's the way they all do it. >> Yeah. I think this is just a tricky site because you know >> I think the only difference Duncan is that people are coming in from the driveway and from the side. I mean from
the road it looks exactly like all the others. >> That's what I'm saying. >> But it's not like all the others. >> No, I know it's >> But you can't compare this site to everything because if you turn the site around it's still a bit different. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you were that's got essential
pumps have a bigger disturbance footprint. >> Right. >> Right. Yeah, I mean if if this let me see what I can do this a little better. >> My question my other question is >> why do everybody else do it the way I'm
talking? >> Well, maybe their wetlands are configured differently, >> right? >> That's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. Well, >> cuz that's about the size of the fuel canopy and like that's not accountable for the drive around around it. Um it's like even if you shift it like
that but that's still in the 60 >> over here it just makes yeah >> from >> conservation >> I guess we looked at you >> where do you drive around there's
>> cuz if you wanted to keep this access out there >> you could >> but it doesn't >> but then on this side >> it doesn't change the outfall or anything we're talking about in the succeed there's still a disturbance in the area just needed from the the drive around. Um,
>> so how about this you guys in Conor too? Make make sure you understand what we're saying. In order for portions of the approved work to occur within the 30 foot no disturb zone as previously disturbed because it's previously
disturbed. That's just if this wasn't previously disturbed, we wouldn't even be here today. The commission under discretion has allowed for a variance of both work associated with and withdrawing total impermanable surface and associated storm water improvements. Does that cover everything you're doing
>> uh for the proposed work in the foot >> for the variance? >> I'll read it again. >> Yeah. In order for portions of the approved work to occur within the 30 foot no 30 foot no disturbed zone as previously disturbed comma the
commission under discretion under their discretion has allowed for a variance of both work associated withdrawing total and permeable surface and associated storm water improvements. >> That's all that's all we're withdrawing from that existing. Yes, >> that's the variance you're looking for
basically cuz that's really >> most of that work up there is to allow for the storm water to be caught by the jellyfish technically in that outfall. >> Yeah. I mean we do we have this one light pole in there for security reasons. You need to have >> Yeah, but it's all >> right.
I I I don't know if you want to just Right. >> How about this? I just I just added one word. Okay. In order for portions of the approved work to occur within the 30 foot no disturb zone
which has been previously disturbed. The commission under their their discretion has allowed for a variance of both the work associated within withdrawing the total imperable surface
in associated storm water/site improvements. That means you like everything. Everybody like that? We're not voting on who's if it's you like the whole thing or not, but and then adding a disclaimer
specific to special conditions 38 in accordance with the scope of work approved by the order of conditions in the above mentioned variance. Portions of special condition 38 referring to work within the 30-foot no disturbed zone shall not apply as long as best
management practice are thoroughly deployed in order to prevent negative impacts towards nearby resource areas. >> Actually, we're improving it. >> What did I say earlier? Technically, from what it stands today, the water
will probably be cleaner. second for stuff. >> Yeah, >> I'm >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And there's snow in the >> Can you Can you make some statement there that we view that this would actually improve water quality? >> We can't make that determination here. >> Okay. Well, I believe that it will.
>> Can we add a note in there, just a note that we we we the commissioner feels that it it will be it will be an improvement, >> but it's our determination. I don't think it's legal. I got to stand. I think we can all agree that we believe in our with our
experience to be cleaner, but I don't think we can put that in a judgment call. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, but but Duncan said we believe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Which that's a fact. We believe that. >> Yeah. But what it begins today, it'll be clean what we're doing.
>> I resolve. >> Can we change one word? The pronoun. You said the commission and their Shouldn't the commission be it? >> It's it discussion it discussion >> it as as a pronoun for the commission. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> All right. Now we can close the hearing. Correct. >> Never discussion before. >> It's the discretion of the commission is what it is. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Now we can close the hearing. Correct. >> Yes.
>> And we're also adding the the last condition about this number that just Yeah. But that's that's after we close the hearing. >> Okay. We asked everybody to >> I know that's what I was going to do. >> I I agree. >> Closing hearing. Okay. Would someone
like to make a motion to close the hearing? >> I'll make that motion. >> Would someone like to second that motion? >> I'll second it. >> All in favor? >> All in favor? >> All right. >> Did you vote?
>> Did you vote on closing the hearing? on closing the hearing. Um, >> not on closing the the vote to approve closing the >> closing the hearing. Yes. >> Okay. >> Hi. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, we've talked about the
conditions, the special conditions. We're adding the condition on snow storage for the drawings. Correct. >> Yeah. >> If we if this gets approved upon vote, we're going to include a variance. I'll read I'll word it again. In order for
portions of the proposed work to occur within the 30 foot non-disturbed zone which has been previously disturbed, the commission under its discretion has allowed for a variance of both the work associated with withdrawing total
impermeable surface and associated storm water/site improvements. Period. Then we're going to add a disclaimer. In accordance with the scope of work approved by the order of conditions in the above mentioned variance, portions
of special condition number 38 referring to work within 30 foot no disturb zone shall not apply as long as best management practices are thoroughly deployed in order to prevent negative impacts towards nearby resource areas.
Period. The other special condition will be that a third party conducts inspections throughout the course of construction. Anybody have anything else they'd like to add or remove from the conditions we normally do in this situation? Um
>> they already have. Well, no, but I you know I I it probably won't happen, but I certainly would like to have a third party there when they're in that in that area. >> Yeah, that's fine. We could we could when we get the the quotes, we could say
we'd like you here in this time, this time, and this time because when they're paving or planting trees on the other end that don't apply to us, >> we want them to focus on the work in the 30 and the 60 as it's been previously disturbed. >> And then anything in the 100 on this end,
>> but we can tell them when we want them there. >> Say six visits, three of them will be over here, two of them be over there, and one over there, right? Everybody's good with the conditions. >> Am I allowed to speak here? >> We closed the hearing technically. Okay.
Would someone like to make a motion to approve the um no the uh the the notice of intent um for 66 Tiffany Boulevard given the I'm sorry 677 Tiffany Boulevard given the
changes and modifications of special conditions variance and the disclaimer and the third party review throughout construction. motion. Would someone like to make that motion to approve? >> I'll make that motion. >> Someone like to second that motion? >> I'll second. All in favor? I
>> I. >> Those opposed? >> Nay. >> So moved as approved. We'll get this out to you and make it work. >> We'll work on getting some quotes with you as well. >> Yeah,
that's that was the question I was having. Maybe set like a to exceed budget. >> Yeah. Well, I don't cuz I don't know how much we're going to get their opinion on how many >> Yeah. I appreciate it. >> Y um under old business 170 Mil Street. Um >> nothing.
>> No updates on that. >> Noates on that. >> So So we had to continue to 39. Yeah, next week. >> Um, professional new business, the agent report
on that. I think we'll get a sign on the floor for that. >> Is there anything new? I don't think there's a whole lot on this agent report. Um I think uh we're making good progress on the
Keithro Culver grant work. Um we should be in good standing to meet our deadline for the March 20th submitt for the for the MVP grant. Um there'll be another freshman agent
series um this upcoming Monday. Um the topic has not been provided to us yet. So, that's to be determined. Um, but I'll inform the commission Monday night what the topic was. Um,
MACC conference was this past weekend. Um, I but because it wasn't put as a primary piece of professional development on the um agenda, I think we should probably save the full debrief for the next scheduled meeting if that's
okay with the board. Um, >> who went to the uh who went to the uh training? Nicholas went to Nick. >> Oh, Mac. >> Did Nick went too? >> Yep. >> Great. >> Yep. >> And you went too?
>> Yep. >> Okay. Yeah. Give us a briefing next. >> Yep. Yeah. I'll give a briefing next meeting. Yep. And then um um and the UNH professional development
courses have been put forward for the next couple months. Um I myself will be attending two of them. Um one will be um March 17th for basics of soil morphology and then one on June 18th for introduction
to soil mapping. Those will be the final two workshops that are required for the core for the soil science certificate. Um and yeah and um in your packets I've also
given an updated um version from our budget coordinator for the um for the standings for the commission accounts that that they've been presenting for the
past couple months. Um I again I just gave it to you guys today. So um for next meeting on the 9th we can go over that or we could put that on as um or we could put that as new business
to discuss at that meeting. Um but that's pretty much it for me so far as major updates. >> I'm not being typing out before but they will be >> okay. Y >> go ahead. Um any news on the fire?
>> Um >> as that was part of the report. >> Um I believe that from what I have heard from other departments um both um the both the property owner and the business
that leases the property are still figuring things out cuz I think that there's still components of investigation and other post processes that are ongoing. Um I did have communications with the building
commissioner and D that um DP did say that um it would most likely still need to go through the WPA peritting process. Um as it work for both demolition and for rebuild would
still occur within our jurisdiction. Um I did communicate that to the building commissioner who did forward that to the to one of the associated parties. Um as well as the advice to
um once as earliest as it's practicable to put up erosion controls um in order to contain some of that some of that froz frozen refu that's that's there because it's it's kind of like ash and sludge in
a sense. Um, so just to make sure that that is more or less contained and doesn't make its way to any of the >> Guess I just have a followup. >> 63° next week. >> We're going to have some. >> So that's going to be sooner rather than later >> and days of rain.
>> Yeah. >> So I mean I'm worried about what already went into the pond. Um, but certainly Yeah. containing what's still around. >> What's still around? Yeah. >> So >> cuz I would assume a drain that broke. Oh yeah, I think so. >> I mean pitch I think it's pitch that
way, you know. >> Yeah, if they're going to be before us to rebuild. >> Yeah. Make sure that they're Yeah. >> Yeah. Gotcha. >> Great. Um but yeah, that's all the solid updates that I have for everybody.
>> Like there was no kids in there. Okay. Sorry. Just don't want to forget what we talked about. And then we have our upcoming meetings on March 9th and March 23rd. >> Anybody else have any other new business they wish to discuss? >> Yeah, I have well I have something I
like to discuss not maybe this next meeting but one of the meetings. Uh the property at at um by the fishing gun. >> Yep. There's 80 acres in here. >> Okay.
>> Is there a name for that piece of property? >> I don't know off the top of my head. No. >> I would like to see if we can move forward and get that put on the was it 93? >> It's uh you see the articles for
conservation. or conservation. Yeah. Article 97 is >> cuz we have no protection. I think I'd like to get that 80 just put underneath that if we can do it. >> Who owns the land? >> Who owns the land? We own it. >> The conservation.
>> That greenway you're talking about? >> No. No. The >> Yeah. Right. It goes up goes up the hill. We we gave them four acres to build that to build the uh um park there. They haven't used Bailey
Park. >> Yeah, we got that land through a land. >> Yeah, but that's already under 97, isn't it? >> That's article 97. >> I don't think it is. It's under a landscape partnership grant. It has to be. >> Yeah, I think that already is. Doug good. >> Did you just check the Amelia? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, we didn't know that cuz
>> No, I'm almost positive. Is that's because that's didn't Somebody help us with that. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. We got a grant for that. >> Yeah, that's that's the only way we can get the grant. More than that. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I think it's more. >> Yeah, >> it's a good point. But I think >> but I I I there's there's other lands
that we should start thinking about it, too. >> Yeah. Agreed. >> Yeah. Maybe go over the land that we're under our discretion right now. >> Yeah. >> And confirm what isn't under 97. But some of it's got to all the stuff that we've done recently in the past 10 years is out of the 97. >> Yeah. But that can that sometimes that
can be used um uh as sort of a match for putting uh easements on lands that are not ours. >> Yeah. >> So that's something we might talk to to the land trust about. >> Yeah. >> Like that golf course property we did that I think. >> Yep. So what >> the golf there's some property near the
golf course we used I thought as a match >> for something for one of those grants I think. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Cuz right Yeah. Or we could sell them to >> a buyer. land trust could buy these. >> I mean, see, >> the city owns roughly 4,000 acres.
>> Yep. >> Now, that's not all. It's all over the place. >> It's not Some of it's not under us. >> Well, I know, but some of it should be under us. >> Yeah. >> That's what I'm saying. You know, we could I don't know. >> Problem is we don't have the partnership we used to have that was able to help us
with that process like we did. Unless somebody knows somebody else that we can use. Well, the ex the exher clerk of the city has all that information. >> Yeah. >> Well, Janet Morrison. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> The former head of North County Land Trust, which is Janet Morrison, was the one that did all those grants. >> Yeah. >> She did them for pennies for us. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it was some money, but Yeah. >> Let's look into that. I think she's retired. I don't think she's not involved anymore.
>> Yeah. At all. I think she is kind of Not with North County interest. >> Okay, good idea. >> We'll look at it. What else? Anything to do business? >> Oh, that's the only thing I had. >> You good? >> What What's Can I ask? So, speaking of
that, so what what's our um I know you're you've been interested in a lot of these town hall conservation lands. Is is there like a somebody here who's that's like their one of their roles or is that just sort of when something comes up, you take care of it? Well, there's another one, you know,
there's another one of this that's Rome. Uh, >> that's 972 because that's includes two towns, >> right? But I think our portion is make sure Rome too, but I think they all are. The ones that we've done recently in the past 10 years are >> all right. Well, but we're not sure.
>> Well, Janet did it with us. So, that's the only way we get matching funds. >> I'll try to remember to look up the GIS layer. >> The state that's north county. >> Yeah, technically. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, >> can't really that's not >> that's all except for 97 that's protected
>> and and then all the land down at in you know we had that fight when when they his permits uh expired they didn't renew them and we took some land from him. >> Where's that?
>> Down off of B off of Clark Street. >> I remember that. >> The chapter 61 or uh not chapter 61. Yeah, cover 61. >> I don't remember that one. Sorry. >> Can you try to figure out with him what the address is so you can look it up?
>> Where? Where? Um >> P to >> No, no, no, no, no. That all around the brook that comes down through there. >> Aliscus. >> Yeah. >> No, no, no. This this back backed off of Clark Street. >> I don't remember that.
>> Where was the What was the What was the address of the guy cut all the trees down? Brookside, >> huh? Brookside. >> Brookside. >> Brookside. All that through there where where the where the brook comes from. We we we jumped on them and we got we got 10 10 lots back from that.
>> I wasn't here when we did that. Yeah, maybe remember someone talking about I wasn't here either, but >> and she u she was involved with that and and she what I can remember was she was involved but not so much for us and she was
discussing with us because we didn't jump on it. I >> I wasn't around. I was not and you weren't either. >> Way back and the guy let all his permits expire. He wanted to go back and he said no no. So we got 10 acres. We got 10
lots right along there. It's all blocked off with stone, right? And the brook, right, that you can see the brook. >> I know he talked about, but I don't remember. I wasn't around. >> I don't know. I don't know where that is. >> But that's another one that should be looked into. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> He'll be able to show you on
>> Yeah. the adjacent North K. They also land right there. >> Right. It's right along. Exactly. >> Now, another thing is since we're there, right? >> Yeah. I don't know if you guys are aware of it, but there's two wildlife
crossings. >> Yeah. Passageways. >> Passageways under under the under the the road there. >> Yeah. At the end of Brookside Drive. >> Yeah. And one way down >> way down where it cuts back around. >> Yep. >> They should be opened up
and cleared because they're all trees in there, you should be. And I don't know why we can't spend some money to have somebody do that for us. >> Yeah. I don't know if they were supposed to be maintained or they're supposed to grow wild. >> You talk about the moose the moose the moose cross way at the end.
>> There's two of them, >> right? One at the beginning. >> One's smaller than the other. >> Cuts back around. You know, there's there's one down there, too. >> Yeah. I think one was for lower critters and the other one's for we used to call it the moose, >> right? There's two of them, though. Can
Can you show him where it is so he can look at it? >> Yeah, I'll show you. >> Maybe I'll show them on a map at least. You should actually take a ride out there and take a look. >> Yeah, but they're all It's all grown up. >> I just don't know. But we have to >> this thing about the you know, everybody saw this about the money in here.
>> Yeah, that's >> I know >> that's next week. We're going to talk about it. >> What? >> It's not on this week's agenda. on this end, but you know there is there is funds available to have somebody to hire somebody to go in there and and just cut just prune it.
>> Yep. >> We just got to make sure what >> in the what what was was it supposed to be maintained or was it supposed to grow and and made it? >> I've never heard the discussions about that. >> I never knew it was there. >> Yeah, >> it's too expensive. >> You almost Yeah, you almost they're big.
I mean they're like square you could drive a car through there. I mean, if it's a passageway, it shouldn't be closed up. >> Yeah. >> Right. Right. >> I know that. But I mean, I don't Well, we don't go out there and maintain roots or moose all over the place. They make their own. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't know. I I'm not saying it's wrong.
>> I don't know. >> I heard I agree with you. >> All right. Someone like to make a motion to tonight's hearing. >> I don't make any motions. I'll make that motion. Someone second. I'll second. All in favor?
Bye. >> Bye.