all right everybody let's let's get started um on the agenda we just added a new um item on the first page is public comment on agenda items going forward there'll be a two minute uh TW minute time limit per individual so if I do say
this is open to the public for comment those two minutes are going to be used for new information on the topic not to reiterate old information um you can follow up with some older information and ties into the new but we don't want to hear the same discussion over and over it's not conducive to time and to
others that may want to speak thank you minutes first yeah yep um next on the agenda are minutes we're getting caught up thank you Justin and others um so someone like to make a motion um basically this side the table
to approve the minutes of 7222 24 I'll make that motion someone to second that motion second all in favor again thank you for uh getting us caught up as you can all this side yeah request for certificate of compliance none at this time the next on
the agenda is the enforcement orders that are um been on going the first one is a sludge landfill I understand that we had another breach out there on the 6th you have any pay for us um after being notified at 1:30 speak up a little
bit oh yeah yeah uh after being notified on 130 p.m sorry um on Thursday the 6th the agent was asked to go out to the Sledge landfill where did notice that a very
extensive erosion event um occurred due to a multitude of factors including the high precipitation event and the lack of melting and a lot of the already existing bmps that were on site um um as
a result there was a lot of sediment and a little bit of slug that made it past the outfall um upon seeing the extensive corrosion um I immediately called um
three separate individuals at the Saro office for D um and I've just been waiting for correspondents back and they went out for a site visit today but unfortunately that wasn't loed in on the email um so
I'm just waiting on catchup correspondence as for the best steps forward for our involvement for helping find a solution to clean it up and to and to hopefully prevent it from happening again so so our we have an
active enforcement order so what are we doing from this point on we going to modify that enforcement order to include this this latest uh breach of what's what is the EP saying on that um I because there is an act of enforcement
order it will allow us to have the parties that are in charge of the S landfill and conduct the work necessary to remedy the situation so not no new enforcement order has to be made
but um should probably plan on amending it in order to allow for it so um who's taking pictures I am can you state your name please Paul the mail what's the use of them Paul
what are you doing with those where you posting them I guess I'm just I just I've never seen anyone take pictures in all these years so I'm just kind of curious you're allow to pay I didn't I didn't say you couldn't I'm just saying what are you where are they going for my record
okay I I'm not saying you can just didn't never saw it before that's all okay got in the flash so we can amend it should we amend it to incorporate what happened on the six I I would say so yes but yeah I'm
still waiting to hear from what represent the D as well okay go ahead I mean it's the third time we've been out there city has not taken proper steps to either fix or really
clean it up properly period we have to to find out why it's doing it in the way it is and we need to remedy the cleanup it's just unacceptable and the fact it snowed big deal it snows every year that means it
wasn't done right I'm not buying that I I agree just so Rec David and I went out there met Justin Thursday night and we were pretty disappointed in what we saw um you did send pictures you sent me a text I was on my way we met
um yeah it's not a good it's not a good out there shouldn't have happened I agree there's been snow melt agreed that it does snow in New England I guess right and uh we all encounted some good rain out there what did you say the rain was about 1.7 the time span and I did ask if the
if the DPW was coming and they they declined to attend yeah I I asked who did you ask uh city engineer and the DPW director I have a question go ahead
um I'd like to request them to come I I sent I mean but so we got to do more than that that's unacceptable as well yeah we want them to be at the 24th meeting yeah and then by then D believe
that D will have their findings and um what they observed on site by the 24th I would hope so they usually pretty close to those dates or that's what two weeks turn around I I think that should be a sufficient timeline yes and what what have they what have you
been given for information from um be or from Viola sense that occurrence for information um since the date of the occurrence um haven't gotten anything okay and we did talk to the I were out
there David and I did about just some best practices on how to maintain that back corner and you know some of the plowing and stuff how that was [Music] plowed um da you were pretty far back too right in the woods there and then you did on the
second one on the way out anything else that you guys saw out there I mean it went out quite a distance I didn't I have a tape but yeah how far out do you estimated that 150 ft you think that much huh I couldn't I couldn't obviously do it but
you think it went out that far approximately yeah it's hard to tell right hard to tell espe because some of the again some of that ice that's just under the water is also discolored as well so yeah and have you gone out there since
last Thursday I went there Friday when it cooled down and it was frozen again so it's all but I'm sure it's all leing again it's probably back to liquid at this point yes yeah okay can you take
another ride out there tomorrow and just see what it looks like uh especially on the top of the the mound and as it comes down where they put that RI up yeah um I I'll what time you going to go CU I
I'll go too yeah that's a good time for you 9:30 fine for me then we had to asked for the maintenance records a while back like a month ago and I still haven't received those can you just follow up with them so I'm going to do the right thing and open it up for
I just have one moreor uh to me I'm more concerned with the fact that they're just putting Band-Aids on that there's not been a real attempt to fix what's wrong with that site there hasn't been taking sent out of a stream is not fixing the problem that's taking the Band-Aid off a
little bit or maybe putting a new one on that's not fixing the problem so we we need to find plans to fix the problem and determine what's causing it I know at one point there was discussion on putting some type of a basin out there we all agreed that would be a great idea to do and rectify the situation until a
further action could be taken and when we witnessed it there was nothing so I was kind of disappointed to see silk fence still holding back that much water it's dis disappointing um so I'm going to open it up the comment um again
two two minutes per person hold on and again new information and uh we don't want to repeat information back and forth to the same people um just you know State your points your facts and we'll put them on record go ahead sir your name is I am Dave ante I live on
444 Stone Street Gardener and I I kind of have more of a a question is that in Li of this mess that the city is not taking care of the sludge landfill I was wondering if the Conservation Commission
was planning to make any comments on the draft environmental impact report that the city submitted for the sludge landfill expansion if they can't even take care of this and they're going to
have an expansion of 8 acres and they're taking out the eser which is kind of a natural barrier to support an accident say and there's two vernal pools on the other side of that
eser and they have not uh commented on how they're going to take care of it so I I'm asking if you're going to after this problem uh seems to persist and they're not coming forward is if you're
going to make any comments on the impact report that has been submitted thank you thank you da you got a few more seconds if you got anything else no good I just wanted to pass that one thank you thank you who's next
say your name now alen Russo 2 Betty Spring Road I'm also a property of butter to the sludge landfill on the south um got a couple of things to say they're all about this most recent incident um I've got some uh I've got a
brief hand out for the commission I'm just going to read part of that I'm not going to read the whole thing to some of this uh Wetland protection and regulations but so the garden of Conservation Commission members I request that the Conservation
Commission amend the gner Sledge landfill enforcement order to fix the cause of the sedimentation of the bvw repeat fix the cause of the sedimentation all right we have we have
a detention area out there that's holding it's it's not even not even working it's failing we've got uh precipitation and snow melt on the top of the sludge landfill in the containment area area the containment area that is not reaching down through
and reaching the leech heate system for some reason and instead it is rolling off the top as we saw from the incident last Thursday I was horrified when I saw that I mean I've seen I've seen erosion out there before and it's been bad but
to see that black streaming down there um was was chilling to see that because we know that sludge is is biosolids but it's also got fast chemicals and it may have other dangerous chemicals within it uh so I'm not going to read the
paragraph on what that is but I believe the Conservation Commission can go outside of the um the buffer area and require things to be done that are impacting it okay uh second thing I want to mention is this this uh I sent you this um
2024 uh sledg L from inspection which just completed a couple of weeks ago and I I got this under a public records request to the DP and I'm going to call your there's good information here about pooled water and stuff that you guys are looking at I wanted you to have it but I'm going to call your attention to page three bullet
point number six now this is the 2024 so it covers all calendar last year sludge Landfield includes six inspections uh from from the company that does this plus comments at the beginning and I'm going to just read this sentence bullet point number six no
operational problems or deficiencies were encountered or not throughout the course of operations in 2024 than I mean think about that statement nothing occurred yet this
operation out here has been under an enforcement order since October how could this be on the report so something's wrong here I think this this operation means an audit I believe it is malfunctioning this vertical
expansion so thank you thank you Mr chairman and commission members thank you anybody else wish to speak on the sludge landfill go ahead Paul state your name please for the record Paul yes um Mr chairman Paul De Mayo resident of
Gardner I'm happy to see the planning director here tonight um Al Russo and myself went out last Thursday morning after the rain and the Meltdown to um see what was going on over at the
sludge land everything was documented with the pictures those of you on the commission who I have emails I sent that documentation that is now public record
and we will keep that EPA has been informed Chief legal counsel for the New England division along with um Rebecca tea of
D what's the D right down the line of everybody um all becomes part of public record and here we are kicking the can down the road this is the third major
incident in how many years and yet neither the EPA the D or the local concom want to come down hard you know there's no excuse why Dane Arnold has blown off this um Conservation
Commission since November he's the one that uh told about the pond on the top the breach of the dam the failure of the dam who approved a dam and a pond on the top of the
landfill we have the photos and that's been submitted as well but you know D had come up with an idea about um some sort of a uh detention bin uh where everything would be captured
and felted out but that would require a notice of intent but there's been no upgrade to the storm water management on this whole project since
1984 over 40 years thank you anybody else wish to speak on the Sledge land pill oh I wish they would have been here to talk about what their plan is to to rectify the situation they haven't been we're going to ask them to be there on
the on the 20th by the 24th I apologize um maybe you should put that in writing that we the commission's recommending them to uh requesting I should say attending that 24th meeting as far as also information
to the mayor yeah make sure the mayor word of it as far as modifying the enforcement order adjustment um do you have the enforcement order
with you today can I read that you guys can anybody else in the commission have anything to go over on now so the order is basically Associated parties at work to adhere right to hear the recommendations of d by utilizing least impactful methods such
as the use of hand tools should be used to removal of the sediment for the impacted area replacement of the old silk fence and erosion control measur shall occur within storm water swell and areas of impact Associated party shall consider implementing additional
armoring to the storm water Swale all extracted materials should be deposited properly party shall notify kcom and its agent before they start and upon completion of the implementation of the methods any extensive modifications or long-term maintenance within the areas of work
will require anive intent I see a note here that was um we requested them to attend the 1125 meeting as well and that's the one that D2 correct originally yes so in order to modify this what else
we should be putting commission members please um go ahead so I mean in the current language I mean this is just my opinion they think they fixed it we need stronger language in there to figure out cause of the problem and fixing the
problem on top they never say anything about the top that's where it's coming from they backed out of the sentiment Basin yeah um we can certainly request a set Basin yeah and I think we
should or at least explore other options at least including a sentiment Bas Basin excuse me another reason why I'm saying what how can we do this correctly is because if D is going to be telling them how to fix it do we want to write something on the amendment that
contradicts what me or D could be providing for information what are your thoughts on on this did did you did you say early that they that they had a meeting there you couldn't attend it wasn't tagged on the email when there
is coordination for so in that email where you request D tell them that if there's any more future discussions or meetings um associated with those slge landfill in the breach or the U enforcement order your you should be in attendance see what I'm saying I like I don't
go ahead yeah I'm agreeing that um you don't want to contradict what DP has to say this is also our chance to tell both D in the city this is what we would like they can say no you can't but why would they um you have to have stronger language in
there about fixing the problem taking sediment out is not fixing the problem well this was nothing no comp to what we had it still was caused by something we don't know right and we said that
so I guess we should add in here before we have to vote on opening it and changing the enforcement order um what they believe the issue is where it started all the data that they they've gathered during their initial emergency repair what they're going to do to
rectify it what their opinions are through the engineer of what they can do in that especially in that one spot that it continues to breach there must be a reason why up top yeah well that's what I mean I want to know what they believe caused this I don't want to hear it's snow melt or rain because that happened
um so these are just some things we're going to add to this but we're kind of talking through it I don't know who made the decision to have a a retaining pond on top or some type of storm water basin on the top of the sludge landfill we want to know who who made that
decision is it still up there is it still up there what else you got has anything been done since you guys went down Friday Thursday they did repair and it did seem to slow down while we were
there I still want to see the maintenance records too and I want those pretty quick I want those before next meeting because that it's been months that we've asked for that it's no excuse get them get them over here should be already already filed right I mean so they should be something that we should
get looking for those pictures yeah but they did that's what they did I'm just showing pictures of some of the emergency repairs no not much um well well up here it coming all the way
down the side okay but that's just like you said a repair that's not a fix yeah what going to happen again we get know range B to get one so so far what do we have to for
modifications to the enforcement order um G the issues um getting data other ideas to rectify and then DEC and background to decisions that were made um and then also gain the maintenance records I mean I think we have to
address the top more formally if there's a pond and a dam up there that needs to be explained and investigate if it's legal you know you're F we haven't had this kind of a winter in a long time we got four three ft of frost and that's
why it's going up where it's not going which you know I'm not giving them an excuse but you know that's one of the reasons but if designed properly exactly it would not have happened oh you're right I can't read my writing call me
because I'm getting angry as I write here oh quiet in here you got to right fast up let's go careful time you so much all right I'm going to add to this so um do we open this for a motion right the
enforcement or can we just add to it do we have to vote on adding think to be safe all right someone like to make a motion to amend the existing enforcement order I'll make that motion second oh in favor so I'm I'm saying we should add the
following copies of all maintenance records a long-term plan and solution to rectify the current situation that's been multiplied twice so far full explanation and um engineered decision on who made the on who made the decision I got it written down you don't
have to do the notes on the pond and Dam top is it legal uh cleanup plan written the outcome of today's meetings with d your attendance and future D meetings um plan to replace the sil fence until this is all rectified
because we obviously it's coming into the spring uh reporting during rain events I asked Viola when I was on site about the rain events how often how much usually it's after so much rain um inspections when do they occur how often by who in their credentials um and ALS inspection
reports from 2024 to date any we should else we should add and they'll tell us of the testing oh yeah test test results yeah they tested that morning y timeline for repairs and
attendance at the 24th meeting good anybody have anything else [Applause] you good good someone like to make a motion to approve those additions to the enforcement existing enforcement order I will I'll make that motion so to Second
all in favor I talkop me on our correspondence to to our DP and to Dan DPW as well agend stuff in there in that folder thank
you next under the enforcement order is 36 Nicole terce is somebody here to represent Nicole terce do have you heard anything on Nicole Terrace um went out for a site visit with the representative and the
homeowner um they were evaluating the best way to remove allow the wood debris from the areas of concern uh and um a lot of the a lot of the loggers that
they had reached out to were um of a price window that was outside the reach of homeowner so they were going to opt to bring a wood chipper and and have the wood chipper go to the closest aim towards the closest corner um to the
road um and out of the way of the of the Wetland and then later bring a vacuum truck to vacuum all the wood chips up and make multiple trips that's that's not going to work that's a lot of wood that's going to a
long time wait guys hold on then I just was down there before we get to the meeting right that's a mess we all know that but this log there saw logs in there what are they going to do with the saw log they're going to leave you know what I mean by a saw log yeah it's something it's going to be
made right you know this this I can't believe what a mess that is plus they cut everything high so they they can't you can't get a skitter in there because the the stumps are too high if they cut the stumps off they can work it
around I don't know what they're going to do but that's not going to work that's that's crazy yeah I think the uh homeowner did hire a specialist right an engineer yes can we get that engineer on um Zoom if
they're not local by for the 24th meeting yes okay and I also I want the written plan presented to us by the 24th and we we really can't take into consideration what cost they they made the mistake we've been more than flexible we need to move forward so they I want the written plan on the 24th okay
and their engineer either in person or on Zoom all right thanks anybody else have anything else on 36 Nicole Terrace make sure they're not doing any work over there yeah they haven't been well I know but you know anybody else in thee so I thought we she was going to
come over with plan in April that's why we're done with the April game so she can call in Zoom okay yeah yeah that's what I that's okay all right anybody in the uh public have any comments on 36 Nicole Terrace no thank you next on the agenda
is 282 Brookside Drive what we got for I went down here ton I we've been we've been there before y that's that's worse than the C ter it's not as big but it's I me the guy just cut everything down yeah I know is
I don't know is he here tonight no I don't believe so is anybody here for 282 Brookside I want them here by the 24th with their plan as well they should probably bring an interpreter too just so they can you know kind of communicate does anybody
have any general public comments on two two bookside Drive Alan do you have anything for County or anything nothing F on we can reach out to Emily too yeah yeah am I am I right by saying part of that belongs to yep
y I just like yeah Paul resent just like to make one comment about Brookside Drive and um Al myself we've been involved uh with that development for the last 20 years um
involved with the concom involved with the approvals of all those homes and I'll just say this to the commission we knew these problems were going to come
about and um it just behooves us to keep a peak um and it behooves Justin to become acquainted with the area and to keep a peak and um Mr chairman I think
you had uh made quite clear to the gentleman you need to know what your property lines up you need to know what's in the deed that you just can't go and cut in the bordering with uh
vegetated Wetlands thank you than so going reach out to the applicant make sure they have their plan by the 24th and and bring some type of um um interpret to just so he can clearly articulate for us thank you uh next uh
hearings request for determination of the pability regarding conservation committee commission for a joint public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 4 to the wetlands protection act and City Gardener Wetlands protection ordinance a notice of request mination of
applicability f by James I'm sorry aula how do you pronounce that anybody know no nobody here prob the project is located at 125 snake Pond Road Garder it's a maap
82-54 for the proposed free removal and which is set to occur um within the buffer zone of a board vated Wetland have you heard anything from the applicant if that's a yeah can you drive by just make sure they do the work already
yeah you can do that tomorrow yeah it's already I'll check for pruning yeah [Music] yeah oh someone like to make a motion to thank you getting all fired up with his ridiculous I'll make that motion someone
to second the motion I'll second all in favor thank you this is the next one on the agenda is a notice of attent which is zero Betty Spring Road the garden and Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 40 Wildland protection act
the city of Gardner W Direction ordinance a those for 10 files by G Consulting LLC on behalf of wine press Properties LLC for the proposed construction of a single family home driveway and Associated utilities this project is located off Betty Spring Road
in Garder it's maap r27 2524 but the prop uh portion of the work is set to occur within the buffer zone of a board in vegetated W St your name please yep so you got two minutes h two minutes two minutes
perfect so Justin mclair Mardy engineering here on tonight on behalf of Da Consulting they were double Bo so they asked I come and cover the meeting so first thing I just want make mention of is we did get our D file number
finally excuse me the comment pertaining from D was regarding storm water again at the last meeting I talked about this that storm water riks are only local to the city Gardner under the storm management for the state single
family homes exempt that's why we didn't submit to D they understood that they still made a couple comments the biggest one I just want to make mention of is they had a comment that no infiltration Basin shall be located within 50 ft of a
wetland they were talking about the rain here located at the bottom of the hill we're not count for infiltration this is non infiltration BMP so it's fine where it show everything else was submitted to the state engineer for review he had no
comments so the rest of dp's comments that at the last mean the biggest concern that the commission had was the under drain shown here so if you guys remember rain shown here outside no Al
the under drain based on the ringard elevations is shown within the 30t alteration Zone that I just want to make note that that length of pipe is 10 ft I don't think we mentioned it at the last Mee yeah we had asked I don't think you
knew yeah so it is 10 ft I did double check between the last meeting and tonight I did have a conversation with the city engineer about potential options that we could do his main recommendation was to keep it where it was he does not want to see
it removed because of what we had talked about if you remove it this rain guard might not fully drain in the event that there's a potential heavy storm that rainar never over tops grade wise even if we do do some of the proposed grade
in here just to convey it back down to the Wetland there's a risk that it would go over the street so I did tell him what the commission's thoughts were their feelings things of that nature and one
potential option that they did suggest was we could tie in the Ender drain directly into the C Bas that's down from our driveway so it's approximately located where the one is on the plan
where the notes are so if you look in here you see the notes so where number one is that's where the exist catch Basin is so existing everything sheets down to this pool here behind the telephone pole and to the right of that there's a catch Bas in the road that
this thing over tops flows to the catch Basin and then dis charges across the street to DG bone so DPW did did say that we could tie directly into that just reading what Rob yeah yeah so I
want to bring that to the commission's attention because yes it is a direct connection you don't have to worry about anything discharging directly into the 30 New Hall we are technically going to have to still go inside of that 30t no where it
is on the road right so ideally we would out and we come down the shoulder of the road and either come in front of the utility pole between the pavment and the pole or go behind it between the pole and the weap so e either way we're still we
still have to come into the thery go yeah um but you're saying right along the road though right yeah so it be between the property line and the edge of pave so it's already in a disturbed shoulder it's cleared which is ideally for us if
anytime DPW or engineering says oh yeah tied direct lead into our drainage we take it and rck I think Rob's being more than flexible with options for you yes and I have no problem showing that my one thing is it is technically more disturbance in your 30
no it's previous Disturbed we we can have that conversation but before I made the change on the plan yep it was either 10 ft of hand or 70 75 ft up against the shoulder of the
road to get that to catch bacing and um it's going to read what D said I'm sure you saw it but just in case anybody else didn't um it says although a file number is being issued please note the following as storm water management is proposed as a requirement for the local
uh level Mass D offers a f and comments for the commission's consideration infiltration bmps are required to set back a 50 ft from the surface water and test pits are required at the location of infiltration bmps to verify
seasonal High groundwater and soil types identified V2 chapter 2 of the mass storm water handbook the applicant should verify the function of the rain Garden I.E infiltration or treatment commission may consider requesting test fit data for infiltration of bmps TSS
worksheets and may want to consider Perpetual conditions for onm we kind of talked about and we hit on a lot of this so that's why I at least wanted to make mention that they did comment but it is a lot of the same stuff that we talked about last meeting so are you going to be able do you already do test fits out
there in that area not in this area specifically so that's one thing I did talk to city engineer about that we when we get out there we'll verify test bits this whole thing's wooded right now so the kind of get a machine in there would be difficult based on we did assume
groundwater is where what is and we built it up from there if we happen to do a test pit in a tire all that's going to do is raise up this ring Gard but we're not accounting for infiltration so we don't want the minimum twoot offset
required things like that but we would verify the design depth of groundw all that and then submit that to the C engineer and he was okay with that you're going to be able to modify all your drawings to take all this into
consideration by the 24 so the only thing on that comment the test pit we'd like to condition that part the approval if the commission so deems again I know if the St Mar it's it's a
little I think you guys technically have jurisdiction on this it's prob the order condition but excuse me um the only other change that I would make to the plan is the
location of the end drain depending on what the commission would prefer to see I think what Rob's you talk about what Rob's proposing yes I I that's what I would do I mean the time of the yeah yeah me too it's already Disturbed right
yeah that's oh goad I mean he's being more than flexible no no I have no issue nothing but you know that's that's a hell of a slope I mean that's a steep driveway
what happens if we get a 3in rainfall which we do get so so as part of this you have the control measures that are put in place as part of the project I
believe double check I believe this is just under especially during construction yes so there are other regulations in place if it's over an acre there's the sowar PO prevention plan that required to be filed with the state and as part of that
there's inspections things of that nature that monitor any potential erad if it's under an acre they're not required to but the city stor Ordnance does require some form ofion control so
locally and I believe you actually have the second sheet that does have our typical construction sequencing um control measures things like that so your local orance does do what the Swip does as well it
takes it in consideration yes I'd like to see revised drawing and i' still I know it's hard but I'd like to see the test before we vote on it oh I want to see it I want to go out there and inspect it I'm not I'm I'm not I want to continue this I want to go out there is
is it have you been out there lately not lately okay I I'll wait for the snow you know maybe you know before next me the 24th 24th and then April we'll lose enough more snow but I want to go I I I don't agree with it at all I know we
can't stop it but I and that's the reason the reason the reason that it's not been built on because it's so damn steep that's why you know I'm going say you you can't do it I'm telling you right now that's why
there's open land out there because you know you have a mountain go to do it I would say that comes under construction costs and if you have an owner that's willing to but I don't know about the rest of the commission but I think we should have a a site visit out there can
we get a site visit before the 24th yeah I wouldn't see why not I would just make it make it don't make it now but make it like you know cuz it LO snow pretty good it's supposed to be warm you know yeah so I would
just again let's you're not going to go out there and build the next three weeks no no no no no no it's just I want to make sure that we're not getting off track of the whole development yeah we're we're talking our jurisdiction your jurisdiction that's what I'm talking about too yeah but I want to be
able to see it can we get out there does it make sense to go the 24th or does it make sense for you to finalize all that and you get the test fit done to site visit by the 14th I don't know whether either I know you're I'd be asking the same thing if I was trying to do test pits yeah and that's it's the test pits it's getting a
machine out there in time to do it in this case it would only be once so it's easy enough I would say let me consult with the owner and Gard okay see what we can coordinate but make it close to the 24th because then you'll you won't have
you won't have snow I would yeah yeah yeah all right we'll continue until the 24th in the meantime let's try to get visit out there we should actually pick a site visit time date and time now no no no let's not do that because we get more snow there's no sense going
out there then we postpone it from there yeah we can well they got to we have to open it to the public so I mean we got to oh yeah can I consult with G obviously they would like to be out there if he was here tonight we could nail down yeah
it's not your proog so let's continue it to the 24th yeah I'll reach out to them we'll reach out to Justin to coordinate a date okay and then we're going in the road I believe that's the way that's not the
decision but that's the that's the way yeah okay someone like a to make a motion to continue zero Betty Spring Road to March 24th I'll make that motion so want to second that motion second all
in favor I thank you thank you yeah this is terrible all right uh next on the agenda is the Greenwood Memorial Pool The Garden of Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under mgl 131 section 40 Wetlands protection act city of gardland
protection and tent filed by K B on behalf of the city of Gardner for the proposed demolition of the Greenwood pool facility along with the proposed construction of a pavilion for public Gatherings this will be located at 69 Park stre Garder map M27 20 driv 5050
and a portion of the work is set to occur within the buffer zone of a bank and land underwater it's d160 0674 somebody here to represent yes on up say your name my name is Aaron s time
on don't have easel I do have like to show what I have the plans on flash drive or copies but you can just hand the copies out I guess I actually could try this ZIP I just don't know if I've never done actual zip
but I got to believe plug right it's up to you if if you want to to be able to see them I I have you can hand out the copies um so the the project is fairly straight forward how many copies you have I'm just the one and how many does it say on
our website uh seven you at a city you don't even know there's this many commission members maybe you got to put it up on so we can all see it's not fair I can run it off my you don't mind thank you you don't mind we're not going to all share one
set as much as we all like each other I don't like everybody that much he doesn't share well look um but kind of give us a brief Lowdown of what you have and then so I'm sure I'm assuming the folks are fairly aware of
the project um it's it's pretty straightforward um it involves the demolition of the existing Greenwood Memorial Pool building the inor pool building um and then the construction of a proposed wooden Pavilion um the there's going to be concrete sidewalks
connecting the new Pavilion to the existing outdoor pool area to the existing um uh recently constructed bik path um into the uh sidewalk on
Treet um there'll be uh some new trees added um some fencing around around the site you're going to make it look like that wow hey you guys are all right um there's no work within the no disturbance Zone uh the only work within
the no build zone is the the removal of a small section of existing asphalt sidewalk um the constru [Music] thank who said National Grid doesn't play well with
others thank you appreciate it P I'm sorry um so yeah this is the the overall uh project site the demotion plan as I mentioned um the there's no work in the uh no disturbance Zone uh only work in
the no build Zone is the removal of the small section of existing sidewalk and then in the 100ft buffer zone is partial uh part of the existing pool building which will be demoed um and then the proposed uh site conditions um which again there's a
small portion of the new sidewalk within the um no build Zone um a portion of the new Pavilion and some new sidewalks within the uh 100 foot buffer zone um the site does not contain any uh
regulatory flood plane area um no estimated or priority have that inp areas no areas of critical environmental concern uh no rental pools no outstanding resource Waters we did receive a file number from D they had
some minor comments on storm water um they looking for calculations for uh required recharge volume and water quality volume uh we provided those to them they theyed those um so they would to their file them didn't have any further
comments um we sent out the the certified mail receipts um and we have have the hard copies of the uh delivery confirmations for Butters um if the commission has anyi questions yeah I'm just curious about
the sidewalk that goes to the pool I mean is it connected to the current pool or what's the deal with that part yeah connected to the the um you know that area around the pool the the concrete is there now no this new one yeah was there
one before no there's there's currently no I'm just curious like you go to this Pavilion and then you just walk in in the pool uh there'll be a fence okay that's so what's the sidewalk for then chain L fence well there'll be there's a
gate so okay when you demolish it you going to remove everything yes the foundation yep building Foundation has it been remediated already Duncan Duncan's been on the commission for how long Greenwood pool commission as well I don't know if been
reated uh no no they there's been testing um you know we've got the this information you ever been in it yes yeah it's scary yeah right go ahead um so under the roof it's just like a p stone is that right under the
roof of the pavion yes on the on the sides on the other side of the Gable for the proposed Pavilion that'll be a concrete pad the a concrete pad under the actual structure and then on either side where the the roof Edge um like a drip edge um is AC cross Crush Stone
strip on the either side one one question just uh is the still that I I don't believe so when I went to e it was
a the street as far as I'm aware I think it was still I saw before yeah uh what's the duration of the project like when you're going to start with mediation that's going to be as soon as
possible um we're hoping to receive the uh the storm water permit from uh DPW uh and then get it out to bid um the thought at this point is to proceed under two separate contracts one to demolish the building and then another to construct the the proposed
improvements well would you would you be doing a bait in demo as one contract yeah that's pretty standard that's the way to do it that way there's no point in who owns what right and who's going to manage this project for the city oh
boy going to yes okay and um how many people are you going to put it out to bid to uh it'll be public bid is it what are you expecting four or five you don't know do we have the Ming for yes y we I'm curious why you put it where you
put it um the thought angled the way so the the the location was sort of to have it set back a little bit from the road um so it's not right up against the road if there's some sort of event going on folks are walking by and give you gives the the people using it a little bit of
distance um the and then to separate it also so that it can you know a separate uh location from the the existing outdoor pool area so that you know there's could be some connectivity um depending on what type of events are
going on there um the the angle the orientation um was was to fa itate the grading of the area trying not to the the sight is generally sloped so it's a gentle slope um from plan right to plan
left um so we were trying to build it into that slope while also angling the the water sort of to either side of it um as best we could what's the size of the new uh 80 by 40 I
believe so can you just talk about one more time and point to the public here the Crystal Lake Water Edge and where your boundaries of construction are going to be yep so the the thick dash line around the outside is the the proposed limit of work um the it's a
little bit tough to see here but this is the existing um bike path so the the closest disturbance to Crystal Lake will be the connection to that existing bike path uh Crystal Lake itself the edge of water is here um so these are the the
30t no disturbance Zone and then 30 ft from that is the no Zone um this is 100 ft the 100t buffer zone I mean it's all been previously Disturbed so it's it's an improvement for the for the that's where those row of shrubs are
up in the upper right is that that where the old substation was yes that that's how close it is yeah doesn't look like that when you drive by does it um anybody else in the Comm questions um I do this forli right I want to see a
logistics plan what your where your boundaries are your uh containment you're going to put some fencing up and the fence post going to be drilled in it they going to be on concrete block want to know where your D dumpsters are going to be your Hazmat dumpster um what you're going to do to
protect anything from you know wind blown particles coming out of that building I know the answers to these I know you know the answers as well but I want to see all that in writing um parking where is construction going to be parking P John where they're going to be
material storage timeline schedule Pro cor going to be doing in procore again like you did on the others um invite the pro cor for the commission one more thing yeah go ahead tyan B has been here quite a few
times right and it really rubs me the wrong way when you only bring one Cofe I I apologize I know but you know somebody had a Time B so when you go back there tomorrow crank them a little bit huh okay thank
you okay I'm going to open this up for public comment again 2 minutes um new information this has been debated for how many years forever so again you know there's there's two sides to you know the the history of the building um the proposed use of the new
area so just keep that in mind if uh anybody in the public raise your hand state your name if you have any public comment for record no Mr chairman hold the mail um just a quick comment um probably not too
many um know in this room probably very very view but that whole area um back 100 plus years ago was a great Pond um when it was um when the building was uh
built um it was a um natural pond um that Abed Crystal Lake um that was all filled in now I like the fact that Duncan Burns asked about the fact if everything below
grade was going to be excavated out um I think that's very very important because um I don't know what there is for a substructure under there in terms of concrete and everything but I can tell
you this I think when everything's excav ated to that level um there's going to have to be pumps brought in to pump out the groundwater that is going to seep in um probably to a great extent from
Crystal Lake so I think um something needs to be put in into the order of conditions planning on this and how it's going to be remedied handled and where that groundwater is going to be pumped
too now also I think um the commission um needs to be aware of after everything is excavated what is going to go in there forfill plus the fact that all that new
fill is going to have to be compacted um to a certain degree to support the new Pavilion thank you thank you so we talked about logistics plan
we're going to do procore timeline I already had down soils we're not going to get into means and methods of construction we're not here we're not going to get into that um as far as pumping water that's all means in methods I mean that state you have a 10day notification period you got to dewat to a Frack tank you got to get the
water tested and then it shipped off you don't repump it filter with carbon and push it back into that's that's best practice it's it's the law so it's not really something um ow and manual um who's going to maintain this who's who owns maintaining this in
the going forward I I believe the DBW is so DPW is going to maintain this well who who maintains the pool right now I I don't know you know who does that any else to my
knowled anyway rwood yeah the pool is managed by HR yeah the pool the The Lifeguard stuff yes so I would assume they don't maintain they probably have a third
party that comes in or somebody comes in right and that's a the contestant the waters okay well they overse the new park right it's right next to it yeah yeah yeah anybody have any other comment on the
commission no someone like to make a motion to close the hearing I'll make that motion someone like to second that motion second all in favor I think we have pretty much our conditions right we know what they are
yeah um thank you you don't know the timeline per se yet it's got to go out to bid yeah it'll be this summer right yeah early summer late spring early summer as soon as you can get a Contractor on board okay you have
any idea long take come down um our our uh demo and Hazmat folks think the the the demolition project will be less than three months um but you know it depends on yeah it's probably a probably a month to to baate it all yeah and then it's
probably going to be another month to take it apart yeah all right so um I mean I'm I'm willing to kind of put this forward for a vote with um the commission getting the logistics plan um the schedule will
be obviously once it's awarded and um we need to know who's going to this confirmation of who's going to maintain it and then an L&M record um and then the associated testing throughout construction or bement and construction other than that would be that those
would be added to our standard order of conditions you right with those yes anybody commission have anything further to add to this no no no it's a long time coming someone like to make a motion to
approve um the Greenwood pool um demolition Demolition and the construction of the new Pavilion I'll make that motion like to second second all in favor I thank Youk
you sign all right next on the agenda is U New England power a uh A1 B2 transmission line The Gardener Conservation Commission will a joint public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 40 Wetlands protection act the city of gardener Wetlands protection
ordinance of notice of intent file filed by BSC group on behalf of L power company for a proposed large scale refurbishment project to um to be conducted on the A1 B2 transmission line portion of the proposed work are set to occur near several areas of jurisdiction
along existing utility right of way both within and outside Gardner City Limits stage your name please Teresa perante here on behalf of New England power PS Group thank you I want to just kind of now you did meet with us how
long ago was it last time summer hot in it was July July ju no July 22nd that was the minutes that I similar content overview and I can also it also just includes an update on
where we are in other permanent um efforts that were ongoing and for those in the public just an overview of of the project so the project um is located within an existing briway that extends from Vernon Vermont all the way into
Sterling Massachusetts so total mileage of the project is 61 miles that's including the portion in Vermont and New Hampshire and then within Mass 54 miles um there's two tap lines one of them is located in
Gardner that's the Crystal Lake tap um and then you can see the list of uh the nine municipalities that the transmission line goes through um so the need for the project is that um these the A1 and B2 are one of the it's
the oldest transmission lines um in the region they were constructed in 1909 and they're reaching the end of their um asset life um so they are conducting the project to address asset condition and aging infrastructure um and to approve uh
improve reliability resiliency and efficiency and to large um and also to allow a larger capacity right now the line is operated at 69 KB when they replace it it'll continue to operate at 69 KV but they're
designing it for 115 so they don't have to go back in and replace the structures um in their um expected lifetime so this is just giving you an overview of the project area here we are within Gardener here and this is that um
tap line that I had mentioned on Crystal Lake um so the pro project been going on for a while um a Butters have been engaged been notified throughout the the pering process field assessment process
as well um we're in this pH phase here where we're undergoing permitting um and construction is not anticipated to start until 2026 and it'll extend um into 2030 and the way the construction will work is it'll be done in phases along the
line so it won't be you know five years of ongoing construction along the whole transmission line it'll be between um substation wear outages um can occur to facilitate the construction of the work so an update on where we are um
currently um the sighting board is still reviewing um the petition we completed Discovery it's in their hands now um to complete their review um we received our
completed a mea review as well we received our certificate on the F in um September 2024 um we did final checklist we just received our letter um from Heritage which was reflected in their comments on
the me filing um that we do have a take for two species they're not located in Garder um but just an update there we are going to be obtaining a CMP for those two species Army Core of Engineers um they have it we've been
coordinating with them they won't issue until you know D um issues their water quality CT at this point in time we're not expecting um mitigation up front um the mitigation that will be uh provided is
for the temporary mouting within Wetlands will be assessed if they'll be in place for more than a growing season which will track during construction then inl Fe um will be uh provided as compensation for the project so we'll be you know filing under nifties closer to
the start of construction period um D is currently reviewing our 401 certificate we've completed the administrative review component of the process and they're um starting their technical review we're expecting comments um in
the next couple weeks um and that was filed in 2024 and the commission received a copy of that um and then we're here um we've been starting to file in um Fe February we March and then April as well to complete the fings
across the municipalities and then these are just some of the other anticipated um permits that will be filed um So within Garder uh the main line portion of it is
5.22 mes long um primary habitat is is um forested we do have some adjacent um we do have some portions the line that is in residential areas um we do have portions of the RightWay that intersect
conservation land um which is listed there um there's and this just identifies the areas where we're in larg residential locations so there's 76 existing structures that's the mainline portion
and then that top Line's A short segment 1.2 miles long located near the gardener Municipal Golf of course um pearly Brook Reservoir is where is actually situated where the Top Line intersects with the main line
and you have the gardener switch located at the T um 50 structures along there Wetland resources of 40 BBWs were delineated off and on right away we Riverfront area
area bordering land subject to flooding land um under wetlands and waterways and work in buffer zone major waterways that intersects the right are Bailey Brook and pearly Brook and then one of the cold water fishery resource areas is Bailey
Brook so just a snapshot of what the current structures look like what they will be replaced with um this is located here so um these are steel lce Towers they'll be replaced with Ste monopole structures that will continue to hold
both circuits um and you can see um there will be a height increase over the um the existing Towers here this is just showing you the tap lines um yes I I read the whole report yeah
I really I was proud of myself cuz I actually read the whole thing now I didn't mention about removing the old towels they will be they will be removed okay yes as you as you come yeah once they the the sequence will be they have to set and install all of the new
structures put in the conductor and then they can wreck out because the way it will work is one circuit's going to be going while they're doing the construction so once that's complete then they'll completely wreck out the
Y um and this is just the the tap line different types of structures um so each tap is on a single structure and those will be replaced um with again a steel mod structure um so part of the scope of
work is to provide um clearance for the conductor that's going in um so this is just giving you a crosssection to provide a visual um so the main line you know it is it is cleared and what they are going to be doing is extending that
clearance about 10 ft on other side of the RightWay to establish that 100t of clearance we took a look at that when we were out um in the field on the site visit so this is just showing here you know we have we use the lar in order to map that that's what you're seeing on
the plan to identify where um the can it's based on canopy where that intersects in that 100 ft and that's all mapped out so you have some areas here where you'll have you know a tree that is located or they may be you know doing
some um pruning along the edge in order to provide that clearance so that's the within the RightWay itself and then you'll see on the plans off right away um there may be areas where they need to remove trees or it could be very
selective in order to get equipment um down the access um or again sideline printing um the other the component component of the work um that is subject to um review is they are going to need to improve access in order to do this
work um these structures are going to um require a liveline work area as I said they're going to have one circuit that is going to be live while they're constructing the work and they need to have a safe work area in order
to conduct it um as well as access there's variable access conditions within this right of way um and and a lot of areas very steep uneven terrain um where they're going to need to to improve in order to be able to bring in
cranes concrete trucks um to do this work safely um so in general the work pads that you're seeing on the plans that were submitted the general design is to have that work pad area within the mainline be 160 by 80 ft this is varies
you'll see some areas where it's smaller because the terrain is constrained or um you know we've worked with them to limit it um due to resources in the area but that was the General um the
starting point was that 160 by 80 where they're just wrecking out a structure they're able to have a smaller work area um so in the filing and on the plans there's different types of access
that's proposed um so a lot of areas where they do have existing access that's uh denoted on the pl is That Type R and S where they're going to be improving adding gravel um or widening
the area um and then you have other areas where um they're designated as type 1 to five and 3 to five on your plans are areas where the grade is steeper and um they have designed that
access to be able to ensure that um bmps to control storm water are Incorporated um and taking into account the limit of disturbance that's going to be needed in order to get a level a level pad created
um and so that's the the differences um in the areas there that you see so you'll see areas where the LOD is a little wider in those areas to accommodate you know a sale um needing to be put in along the side of the access or plung pool or other management
features or just to get that grade the uh level that it needs to be so that's just a quick overview um the plan set is is long I you know I'll take direction from the commission um at
this point in time on questions area to focus on um I will just note one thing right now with d that we we are working out for the review of the 401 is the um Wetland replication areas we did conduct
a site visit with them and the area within um Gardner which would be located in the buffer zone currently um is there's it's a boulder area and so they did ask us to go out and do some
additional um observations of the groundwater in order to inform the design that hasn't occurred yet we're waiting for suitable conditions so we do anticipate followup with the commission you know for the plans um of that area yeah I just reading about that so we're
losing approximately 517 s ft of BBW right it's on page n then it talks about continuous existing wells in the row and an there are not likely to be impacted by Future maintenance of
construction of lines an Upland area measuring approximately 600 squ 600 50 ft will be converted to Wetlands can you kind of talk about that it's a little vague but it says proposed location of wetland
replication areas continuous to Wetlands gw12 which is located on Kel Street can we just kind of yeah you want me to jump to that spot um I'm just going on the areas I know the tree cutting and I understand you know utilities have some right away action going there um not
much we can do on some of that but some of this is under jurisdiction this is a lot of information to kind of dig through yeah I've asked Justin to read it and interpret it to me but he hasn't yet yeah but there there's a lot of information here so I guess for the
commission wise I'm I'm thinking third party review on this just to kind of help out a lot of data and maybe some insight during throughout construction especially in some designated areas like the replication areas I don't want to delay obviously
it's you know you've been coming before us and doing a great job it's just a lot of information to kind of understand go you know this construction is going to come through right but then you're
going to have to go right back in in the areas where you know where where it's Wetland to take the old towers down and that's not I would like to see more on that taking those old Towers now cuz they going to like this P it says any any any
uh any snow wall Disturbed or anything like that will be reconstructed everything like that but in the meantime then they got to go right back and start taking the towers now and that'll be all part of the construction sequence so on once they wreck the tow string the wire
then they'll do the wreck out so it won't be you know like we come back another segment of the pro you know another product entirely it'll all be all be done as part of that process said that way so you're saying
it's not going to be a year later when they take out the Old Tower you're saying it's during that it's during the phase of months when they're in that area the equip there corre you don't have to bring it in twice yeah and the Ming will get you know once they the
Ming gets removed and it wasn't addressed like that so we didn't provide a lot of detail on the bmps associated with the exempt maintenance activities but that's certainly something that we can provide to the commission cuz that
was my concern you know I I have to get all the new towers in and the wires are up and the other but you know now you're telling us that as you progress down through the new tower the Old Tower comes down okay and we can we can also
help point out um you know where in the mea sub mitts that information is also available and If addition information on the B and one more thing you said that the line was
constructed in uh uh 1908 that's wrong because the you got it RightWay in 1908 and my father was was a was a chainman on the surveyor crew really yeah
and it was like in 1922 23 when they actually start the construction the chainman isn't do used anymore but it was 100t chain and he he was a young kid and he dragged the chain 100t and pinned it and you know went forever he did that with with the with
the uh with the uh surve that's that's crazy the way they do the work now is very when we were walking this line went how did they do this in areas um I'll have to share it with the commission there's a really cool documentation
called um the hair which was required um for for um archaeological history of the structures itself I'll tell you one more thing when I I got out of the Coast Guard 1964 and I was looking for a job my father had kept contract with people
that work for Noland power and he says can you use my my son like gu says yeah but he says only one probably says in a year's time it's going to be disconnected that was expecting the wies walking them cuz in a year's time I would have been let go and a helicopter
was doing it so I didn't take the job um you asked about celton Street and um the replication we did submit the plans I don't I don't want to go fiddle and find them but it's located in this area here um and this this area has a
lot of Boulders we weren't able to see it because it was several feet of snow when we were out there but there's a lot of Boulders and so you know they've asked to just take a look at that area provide some supplemental information as to whether or not you know it could really provide um a suitable mitigation
area off of this existing Wetland system in here does it tie into another one yeah so the yeah the proposal is to tie into and you know pull and a bigger part not just a little swath to tie them in want something larger right what happens is
when people do these rep replications they give this little sliver and they go here's our tie in and you really need it to be like 10t 20 ft wide to tie in the tube I mean you know you're scientist you get it but people like to do that oh I got a 3ft sliver that ties you know 200 feet between the two Wetlands they
call it a tie-in we all know reptiles anything that's in those R pools aren't going to really yeah this area here um um on the plans that's all right read yeah they'll pull back and create that 517 I think on the plan it's actually a
bit larger than you know the exact amount um to maybe that's a 650 been talking about yeah okay that makes sense exactly exactly um yeah we do we are we we're made aware there's a project going on along this off- right of my access
and Justin shared some work that's happening um in town too and I'm working with the national grd just let them know these activities just in case sequencing of construction um will have any effect on these other projects or R okay so we
don't have DP you said right we don't they only they well yeah so they only issued the number in the comments at 5:00 this evening so it's not a lot of time for you know the commission to um
absorve the comments and you know also we need time to have you guys be able to give them the response I did take a look at them um they pointed out one area that they were saying um needs buffer zone so certainly take a look at that um the other comments were about having um
if there's off for boy access having the land owner be a signature we'll take a look at that too um typically there's easement um access that we don't we don't usually obtain um signatures for that but that's something that will'll
um coordinate um with real estate the real estate rep on the project I'm looking to but they didn't have any other comments okay go ahead Justin did you see the area that they're potentially replicating they can't get out there
yeah still full snow oh gota it snows up here I didn't know that sometimes they get rain too it was raining I have another
uh when the construction starts and I assume that National was going to put it out on bid it'll be bid by a one company or two or three or whatever it is right do you take the low bid or do you
take the one that's most qualified they well I can't speak on their bidding process um specifically but I in what I have been involved in it is not just take the Lo number okay so you're
looking for somebody who's done this before yes right okay and typically that you know there have been processes they're getting from their vendors that they've been you know working and doing this line work and that one well I I didn't I wasn't trying to you know what I was just
saying like in in this this building right we have to take a little bit up because it's a municipality right no I mean there there is sometimes it doesn't work that way but you know it ends up working that way if you drive up through winch and DIN and go through swans Lake
you go on a k you can kind of see a good area of what they're talking about with the mats and Timber oh yeah I've seen it guys they do a great job all right well I mean i' I'd like to continue it to the next meeting and I still kind of deating on third party
because this is a lot for us and it's a long duration project um so that's something we still kind of going back and forth I mean we work for before we work with you guys all the time so it's a very detailed report but it's a lot of information for us to kind of absorb so would someone like to make a motion to
continue to the 24th of March I'll make a motion someone like a second second all in favor all thank you thank you thank you it was a good presentation and if we need any supplemental just you know disc you can always go back out
when there is snow on the ground thank you next under old business 170 Mill Street I know going back and forth do you have any update on that we're waiting back from the state right waiting back yeah so um they I also took
a site visit out last week um after the rain event yeah was half raising a bit and and so is the um the flow rate that's also sped up a lot so I kind of want to get Eng
but all right someone like to make a motion to continue let's going to I'm going to take I know I'm waiting on a state so we're going to make a motion to continue to April 14th for 170 Mill Street someone to make that motion I'll make it someone to second that motion
second all in favor all right thank you uh next is uh DP 16651 80 Mino street it's the order of uh original copy of conditions how your name is excuse me what's your name oh R Ron Ron thanks
Ron any update you any more information you want to share with us uh since PD D number up on a sign on a metal post um and other than that what do we stand on your end
um I'm I'm kind with it yeah and then once the weather allows I was going to go back out and and redo the silk venting because y That's need to be repl so go ahead make
sure you get the kind has a wire in it so it stands up okay yeah they other stuff just fall you'll be out there all the time yep um so we'll continue us to you think April 24 or 14th will be good April 14th
April 14th I'm sorry that's when his order expires so we got to do it I was just trying to make it so he can get his stuff out there you can make a site visit once the sil f up so you can get well I mean yeah okay so let us know when it's up you'll come out on the uh
before the 24 what okay yeah I was just wondering if you want first would someone like to make a motion to approve D 16651 upon site visit and the sil fence we're just basically cleaning up some
olds yeah I'll make that motion someone to second second all in favor approved thank you okay thank you just let Justin know when we can get out there yeah again we're just cleaning it up I me thank you keep it hold yeah we
trying to all do the right thing here oh yeah I get it thank you [Music] um okay very good thank you so it's while we're signing let's talk
about um Mac we all attended the conference or myself David um Karen and Justin um you want to just kind of talk about what you came for um takeaways from the
training uh and you took my notes could you please read your notes you supposed to take notes there me I mean I took a few classes on um the Dynamics of you know soils and um also ticketing um
enforcement and enforcement yep I did that um I wanted to take a lot of soil sources just so I could get a lot more in The Sciences behind PL work that we have underview takeways I been a while I have
takeaways from the CL I just so as far as enforcements we got copies of what they look like um pass it down were you you yeah so we need to try to figure out
it's in our bylaws already we just need to get some books made and then go in front of council and just kind of make sure that we're get everything in place and um we'll be able to um we can we can do it right now um through um Board of Health or
um um Josh but we want to get our own booklets made up so when things kind of slow down a little bit to find out where we get these made we did say go to the police department find out where their books are made they probably already have these templates where they're printed so got kind of what else you
want I took the S spass with you yeah no I yeah I got to go through a couple different sections there were eight samples and we got to you like you said get get dirty and then try to differentiate between the
different percentages of Sil clay and you also talked about in one of the other classes about taking deeper soil samples a lot of times they able to go down a couple inches 68 inches we want to go a lot farther that was something that was a good takeaway for me I think I mentioned that to you and then um I
think you we should all take that so else class I actually just taught that class at work um but we should actually um next year they should take it I mean Nick and and and once Brian comes on um that's a great class you should take
David you probably yeah it it was really good um and they had like samples you can actually go in and test it and um but it has to do with compactions and stuff like that too so that that was interesting what did you guys take anything else that deid to go ahead yeah I took one on the state's
biodiversity goals but the way it contains to us is through culverts in particular you know increasing storm events we need bigger CTS and it'll help with their state long-term goals for biodiversity and things like that they're taking a little bit more seriously and very exciting to go to the
Fine structure Workshop because fortunately the way our um bylaws are written it pertains exactly what it's supposed to wordwise to allow us that possibility to enforce fines as a last resort but we certainly have it within
our power to be able to do so we should do so when it it requires it I got some good contacts for some additional third part review companies um I know that we all talk probably the same people um and then a lot of
information on storm water that seems to be coming up a lot as well so I took a good took a lot of good information um so I took a variety of classes during the conference uh learned that there are different ways to deal
with beavers rather than just exterminate them there are different ways of of uh gring the dams and and there are unique techniques that deal with beavers yeah that that
that you can you can you can you can breach the dam in a different way and still repel the beavers and everybody can coexists very nicely um then um also found out that um there's going to be a lot more throughout the state there's
going to be a lot more solar arrays being installed in the next 25 years because because the state has to uh meet its requirement for 2050 and the uh reducing fossil fuel use so there's going to be a lot more solar arrays that
we see throughout the state so we might get more here um and it's it's not going to be just on tops of buildings and on tops of parking lots it's going to be the kind of thing that you see in the landscape uh also took a a class that
talked about uh using native plants um um for a variety of purposes including planting under solar arrays so that they can it's coming up big now they can they don't they don't have to be mowed and um it's storm water prevention um and um so
it all makes sense it all make sense if you go down Temple Street and keep going down on the right there's a huge Beaver deceiver there did they talk about Beav deceivers you seen one before I saw the pictures yeah you can actually see one
it's and it's working unbelievable keep going down cool yeah right before you get it'll almost be water on both sides right and then before you get to the the first house I two m m out it's Foster Brook that goes through there you can
see it it's pretty cool okay to see it so just you learn about it but yeah it's also great to you know network with other people from other towns and and learn and just listen to what their reactions are in the classes and then then you're either wow at least we don't
have that problem or oh I'm going to take notes on that and just in case that comes up here you know yeah I just want to also thank everybody for taking their Saturday you know kind of donating their time to conservation I really appreciate
that we learn a lot take a lot out of it to do the best we can for the city of Gardner so thank you um upcoming meetings the 24th is going to be busy and next meeting after that will be April 14th anybody have any further new business I I have a question
about uh the nature and North Central uh pathway nature trail is it done I kind of went through their the cemetery today and um city was doing some tree work so I couldn't get near the nature trail but it didn't look like the fence is up is
the fence up no they're waiting till um favorable conditions to put the top coat of the of the segment that's under the current construction phase and then also
Implement defensing okay do a while yet but hopefully soon actually now that you say that can you see where we can get more of these made oh T yeah remember we got these were you getar David when we
got these when K said they were trimic trees 10 years ago yeah um we'll see if we can get these for the commiss numbers that way C when you do encounter them trimming trees but you still want yeah could yeah yeah I just didn't take the time yeah it helps when
we're going on someone's property they're not going the door gives some City ID so for sure you could I forget HR I think yeah HR okay so just let us know when we can get in there and take pictures and M is got to be 10 15 years
old but starting to wear off that way you have one too I know you yeah I think I L the through through all to go or something like that anybody have anything else would someone like to make a motion to end tonight's hearing I'll make that motion
yes second all in favor thank youbody