He's not listening to you. >> I know he's looking at. All right. Welcome everybody. First on the agenda is public comment. Did anybody in the audience have anything they want to discuss that's on the agenda? >> No. Moving on meeting minutes. Would someone like to make a motion to approve
the meeting minutes of 427? >> Make a motion. >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> You're all in favor? >> I opposed. No. Would someone like to make a motion to approve the V minutes of 5112026?
>> I'll make a motion. >> Thanks, Nick. Second. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor? >> I abstain. >> Yeah. Is approved. Um, under emergency certifications, uh, DPW, Beaver Dam, breach, Lance
Street, Mahoney Brook. Justin, what do you have for an update on that? Um so back on five 12 of May uh DPW had called to say that the
same stretch of or the same system of beaver dams was causing water levels to elevate again near sewage infrastructure by by the chance and other adjacent lines. Um
and as of right now they have they have breached the two dams um at least once. >> Yeah. >> And I went out there in two subsequent site
visits since the event and >> both times noticed new material and debris being brought in. So the beavers are still somewhat active. uh they're hoping to
treat this particular population as a nuisance population future iteration. So potential um potential permits were on track and might be pulled in the future. So um but yeah the reason for the emergency is
just because of the way that that storage infrastructure is locked up over there and they don't want it to be over inundated. >> Yep. >> Compromise. >> So really we're voting we already approved it by reading to ratify the signatures. Correct. >> Yes. >> So I'd like to make a motion to uh
ratify and sign the emergency serony brook. >> I'll make that motion. >> Somebody second that motion. Second. >> All in favor? I >> We're passing that around. We'll keep moving. The next emergency certification is National Gridly over. Does anybody
here represent National Grid? >> No, I believe so. >> What do you have on that one? So after the site visit with DP um we confirmed that though the culver
notice above 80% failure um there is still there is still a channel of flow but because of the scope the resource areas um and the timing of the emergency certification in reference to when the
initial Yeah, >> failures were happening. Uh, DP does not um see it as an emergency. Um, and the actual replacement of culvert has to be backed up with the engineered plans and
they have to wait for, you know, the actual farming process at this point. >> And how many months has that thing been damaged and now all of a sudden it's an emergency? >> It's been almost a year. I I I for I forget
it's it's been a long time. Um in addition to that, um there was a separate emergency certification in the same spot that happened a week after our initial conversation regarding it. Um this was >> submitted by
Beaver Solutions, who are the ones that typically >> put in um those posts in the fencing to prevent debris from reaching certain proximities to those pieces of infrastructure. However,
um they had not seen the site in over a month between when they between when they saw their initial observations and when they filed for the 10day beaver muskrat permit/ emergency certification.
Uh and so both myself and DP thought it would be fruitful to take them to the site just so they can get an update on existing conditions and when they immediately saw that they determined that they confirmed that it wasn't an
emergency. >> Okay. So um so they're not going to proceed with wanting to implement that um a floating deterrent at this time and then they'll probably wait until the
actual pulver is replaced before they think of how they want to approach potential beer muskrat activity. So >> So right now they don't have a repair plan yet for the culvert. Correct. And I have not seen any >> and it's been almost a year and they
still don't have it, but they want an emergency to repair it. So I I I we probably got to bring them both up to a vote, but I I just think at this point we need to get more information and repair process in an engineer drawing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, come on.
>> All right. Some like a motion to deny the the request of emergency certification for the National Gridly Bulber. I I'll >> Yes. >> Someone like to second that motion. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I. So move is denied. Next one. The
National Grid Beaver Solutions Pearly Brook Culver. Um given the information that we received um the plane visits and D comments. Would someone like to make a motion to deny the request the emergency certification request from National Grid? >> Make that motion to emergency.
>> Thank you. Some to second that request. >> I'll second it. All in favor? Someone just denied as well. >> Next is the uh enforcement orders. Um first one's for the sludge landfill. That's been continued to 810 20226. The next one is 36 Nicole Terrace.
That's been extended to 6226. 282 Brookside Drive as well 6226. Next on the agenda is the cease and assist 486 Lynwood Street and it's the uh EO hearing as well. Somebody here to represent 86 Winwood.
>> Y take your name for the record. >> Charles Karen, Karen Environmental Consulting. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, since we met last time, um I've been out and uh conducted a lot of
delineation. I have copies of my report here for you on that. the uh delineation data forms and photos of the data plots and things in there. Um Chris has been out and done um the top
located the flags, all the site features and um I was supposed to have the plan tonight. I'm not quite sure what happened. He was going to email me today and I was sorry. So um we do have that existing conditions plan
but um at this point that I can then put the what we're proposing for restoration measures on that plan. Um I basically at this point after having done the um
delineation and having um he'll have the uh the existing conditions planned um I thought the critical next step is just to have a site walker um with Justin um and anybody from the commission who wants to go out there so
if I can explain the delineation explain what I'm um thinking we need to do for uh mitigation measures. See if you have any other input on things you think we need to address before we um
but this take that information I can um get the the fall restoration plan put together. >> Is this the first time you've given this to the commission? >> Yes. >> Do you think it's fair to give it to us the night of the meeting so we can review it while you're presenting to us? You've had it out there since May 19th
and we get it tonight. >> I don't I apologize. I don't agree with that at all. >> Well, I think we need to push it out and get the rest of the document and give us some time to read this and get your plan. >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry. >> I think we wait until we get your full plan and and have some time to read this.
>> Yeah. >> Go ahead, Justin. >> I I I do agree that we need time review, but I also do think that Charles does um I I hear Charles about um >> a site visit. >> That site visit. >> No, I agree. I'm saying um so I I do
appreciate that. So, >> when do we have when do you want to skip to the play visit? >> I just had a question um at that visit or tonight if you wanted to express a little more about questions regarding the placement of flags. >> Yeah. Well,
>> I'm sorry. The placement of the flags. >> Okay. Um I mean or and so u when I went out there recently with the city engineer I mean it might be it might be best to also discuss it while I'm in the field
too but um and and again we have to take GIS with a grain of salt because you know they are typically seen as preliminary data or estimates. Um this but the historical
um GIS showed that some of the wetlands might have been a little bit wider set on the on the more forested swamp. Did you by any chance do any supplemental um soil testing further out than
>> I mean basically I worked out from where I have it flagged in places to to make sure it was on soil and vegetation. Yeah, I mean I I find those those GI the mass D wetland maps I think it's unconscionable they even have those
available because they're grossly inaccurate all the time. Usually they underestimate the wet ones and I once in a while you want to show the wetland is absolutely nothing. I have client after client that I'm before commission with a violation because they
looked at those maps in the cases conservation agent looked at the maps and said you're okay and then they I have zero faith in those answer your question about the soil
>> yeah I think we need to look at that >> yeah I I I agree. I think looking at some them or some spots in the field would probably also be fruitful as well just to make sure. Um yeah, only because you know again. >> Yeah. So let's set a date and time for
the site visit. >> Yeah. >> What do you have for availability? >> Um >> anytime after 5:00 p.m. >> Okay. >> I can't get there. Um,
>> I can make it. >> We used to always do them. We never did them. >> The week the week of the 21st, 22nd are away. So, um, we can do it the next two nights. Thursday night we can do it or next.
>> Look like next week. Anything. So, >> I'm busy all next week. I can do I can do Thursday night at 5. >> I can do Thursday night this week. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I can. >> I should I should be able to. >> Okay. Can you make that? >> Oh,
can't. >> All right. So, what time? 5:00 on the 11th. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Make it for 5:00. >> Yeah, I'll make it five. >> Yeah. Can I just ask the agent something? Does it also bring bigger pictures of the satellite images over time?
uh I can utilize larger. Yeah, I can I can use larger images of you know again whether they're quite a little bit >> sometimes they get less clear as they things but half the time I have to
condense them in order to make them on the paper anyway. So we it it might be somewhere in the middle between between being able >> you know what if you if you email them to me I'll bring my ITA pull up on my >> so we'll see you on the 11th actually
>> before we I mean is it okay to get a like a two or three minute overview of what's being proposed but I mean we just got it okay >> thank you so We need to vote on that or no vote on
continue. >> Um we still have to um >> Okay. As long as you continue to the 22nd. >> So I'd like to make a motion to uh continue 86 Lynwood Street to 6 22nd uh
622. >> I'll make that motion. So to second that second. >> All in favor? I. >> Next is a cease and desist on nine Crawford Street. Is anybody here? Come on out. State your name for the record. >> How we doing everybody? Doug Gill sign
consulting as stated here representing Master Ranch for nine crawers. We have representative some ownership and management as well. So her report from mid to late March of this year. >> We have it right here. >> Oh, okay. All right.
>> I got an ext. All right. So nine Crawford. We have a perennial stream running up through the north of the property. It's a perennial stream very culverted. These guys trees there. There's a question whether or not they were truly dead or not. So, as you can see in the report, I went and sort
of went up the bank and verified how many were dead species best I could. So, best I could tell about half of them were dead. The green ash, even a red pine or two most surely dead.
>> Maybe about 40% of them were norle or some sort of crab apple, some sort of generally kind of invasive non-native tree species. And there about 10% of those cut were probably something decent, you know, like a northern oak, red maple type. So with that in mind, I proposed a series of native plantings up
along this area. Um, if there's any question as to why I'm not specifying trees where trees are removed, it's because really it's not a suitable area to replant trees. And the way that they belong is kind of like in the crackles of like the rocks kind of super like you you can't replicate that, nor would you
want to really want to just go float this. So we have six common juniper. Those will grow out sort of sprawl out coverage stabilization and 10 black huckleberries which will provide some of the old food and berries
for the birds and bees and all that. In addition, I'm specifying a row of screening vegetation up along you know adjacent to the drive-thru and that should be something sort of generally thick with a dense sort of foliage, right? That's to prevent the intru of trash and debris. I
know a lot of that. Not if you're from Burger King. It was all from McDonald's. >> So, big wins pushing out. >> So, it' be good to get something like that. >> Yes. >> And in addition, there's some old trash like old chain lane. That' be good to
get some guys in there and then haul it out. So, all in all, there is an opportunity to improve the resource area. No direct impact to to BVW wetland or any sort. It's really just an earth and very very steep. Um
so >> what are you proposing for the screen? >> Uh something like a red spruce. I mean hate to suggest arborites but something dense like that just really needs to be kind of hardy evergreen.
>> Brian, what do you like on that? >> Well, I mean for that position I think ever. That's what I was thinking. I mean, I know it's not native and and you know, I would I would normally I would not be in favor of just doing juniper and pucker, but given that that is so darn rocky. >> Yeah. >> You're going to muck things up more by
>> Exactly. Like you need to do an eigh inch by 2 foot, you know, hole to plant the tree properly. You can't really >> Did you notice that there used to be or right right there and they were sliced off at one point? >> Yeah. I could tell some time ago and
>> and that the landscapers have now put mulch there. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like that might have been the case some years ago. >> Yeah. >> They might have got crushed and >> some So there's also like I can tell there's kind of some uh folks that traverse this area frequently. There's a running walking path. So
>> there's a path right where you read. So I noticed that and I kind of want something that's very durable and not going to be just trampled on and kicked over. >> What do you think the timeline is to get in there and fix all this? Clean it all up. Plant.
That's a good time to plant some of that stuff. >> Yeah, but you over here. >> We do. >> I need to take you out next week. >> What size are you thinking? >> Got to be at least 3 foot.
>> Six foot. You said >> at least three three something like that. >> At least. >> They grow pretty fast. >> We're in a drought here. So, how how would you treat all that stuff for the drought? I mean, what would the plan be? And what would the percentage of of trees that would not grow and be
replaced? Cuz then normally that's as you know that's what we look for. >> Yeah. >> Um >> or would you give us another kind of proposed drawing in a in a maintenance plan? >> Yeah. Um Mark, do you have a regular landscaping schedule we can go over this into?
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> The watering is not going to be an issue if you're worried about grants losing them. >> Yeah. >> Oh, no. They'll get watered. >> Okay. I >> an inch a week at least for a year. >> So these these there were trees that were cut down. Yeah. And these are all
low growing things. Um you know these are almost like I think it's going to almost landscaped. Um so I would you know make sure that when the stuff does start to sprout or if it does start to sprout that they're not cutting out cutting the sprouts down. >> This cuz this is going to look like um a
drainage. So this this is fenced all up there except you know even all the way up to about here if you guys can see that. So the goal is for no one to really ever be gone in there. A lot of what is there is I noticed a lot of native choke cherries and a low grown style. cognitive basis. Obviously,
really good, but um I also paid mind to reducing the chance of this ever happening again where someone would see the need to cut this over a drive-thru area where there's a lot of pedestrian traffic, a lot of, you know, more vehicle traffic. Like, I just wanted to also eliminate future conflict as well.
So, 30, 40 years, no one's ever come into this issue. What about all the trees I got? >> Well, that's the thing. They're all not really native, but what about the native trees that were cut? Yeah. >> You guys got any thought on that? I I think in this particular case to
replace with trees doesn't make sense because of the hazard to the drive-thru. >> Yeah. Right. >> That's the only reason other they cut the trees without anybody's permission. >> There's what 24 stumps. >> Yeah. A lot of non-native. They just
grow their own. >> Half of them were dead already. >> They still, you know, they still violated it. >> Yep. Half's been sad about that. Hold it. That's you know what what I'm here for and providing a betterment of the area. Clean it out.
>> I don't >> What are you thinking? >> I think they should be fine for cutting the trees. Somebody should be fine. >> The company that came in to cut the trees, I assume they use a crane to get them out of there, right? >> I don't know. Sorry.
>> And they're working for the people who owns the the Burger King. >> Well, if you want to find me, find me. I know. I'm >> I'm not here to like create this big thing. I have life safety issues. What I what I explained to you guys last time I
was here. And to be perfectly honest with you, if I had to do this again, I would have because I can't have 8 in limbs dropping down on people. And so I hired a tree company to go in there. It was a life safety issue. So whatever the
result of that is now then do what you must. >> Yeah. I mean life safety could have called in and just asked if we could have done the same thing but you didn't know that process was in place. So >> but but to sorry to interrupt he I mean he they he did try he did try to make
contact. Unfortunately, the pathway of contact was, you know, kind of jumbled, so it didn't make it way. So, he did he did he he did try to act in good faith prior to making the final decision. And the
information that he unfortunately got at the time, >> well, we don't know who he called it in city hall or we do know. >> DBW is who I spoke to. >> Oh, that's right. You >> did try and >> we That's right. We talked about the first time you were here, >> right? Yeah. I mean,
>> what can we do? He randomly just cut trees down. >> Oh, he asked. >> Do you remember that? He did ask. >> Yeah. No, I don't. >> Yeah. DTW. He called DPW. I remember that >> you said last time. Yeah.
>> I think it's a good plan. I think he tried to do the right thing. It's not like he just decided one day to cut him. He got direction. He took the direction he was given. it might have been misguided, but now they're trying to rectify it. >> And and and again, if I may, and the the
moment that that both the email and the letter were received by Burger King management, you know, they they have been doing nothing but trying to rectify the situation. You know, that's >> that's the only that's
>> they went and got a consultant. We you know, I think he's I think he's doing the right thing. Oh, I think he is too, but that's after the fact. >> I have a question. So, >> us as a commission don't typically find homeowners when they repeat similar
acts. Why deviate? We can, but why the deviation in mindset? Because it's a company. >> He's asking you what your opinion is on that. >> Well, you know, I I would assume that they call us. Where is he? >> I'm right here. Come on. Come on down.
>> I I I would I I know how it looked down there when when you had that the the limbs falling off on the Kazy and I agree with you, but that logging company or whatever it's called went overboard.
I mean, they cut trees 40 40 feet, 50 feet on the other side. the other side. Yes, I explained it all that when last time. Like I >> I didn't have control over them. >> Well, yes, you did. >> Well, I guess I would have if I was there at every moment when they were kind of >> Did you Did you hire them?
>> Yes, I did. >> Okay. But you didn't I I know you're you're a busy guy and you're probably up, but you didn't have the time to to check on them until it was done. >> And I say, >> right? And I didn't have the I didn't
check on them because I didn't think there was an issue. I was just >> right >> taking care of the problem I had at the moment. >> I didn't know there was an issue. I had already spoken to DPW. They bounced me back out and I said, "I've got to take care of this myself." End of story. I did it. >> So, here we are today
>> and if you feel as though you need to find me, then you go right ahead. >> He's not saying he's just saying he just needs to make it right. >> The mass D enforcement order handbook manual does specify urges, you know, commissions to accept compliance rather than enforcement, which
and Mr. Rashawn here has been absolutely willing to do whatever every recommendation I've given to the >> I think he's trying to do the right thing. >> I mean, I'm hoping that the I'm hoping the operator is is I'm hoping you're giving them they know what's going on because the operator should have known
>> not to cut those trees. >> Which operator? >> I ripped you >> because they're they're doing I don't want them, you know, we don't want them doing the same thing elsewhere. >> Well, you have >> their name. you have there. >> I mean, I don't I don't have any recourse over them now.
>> Yeah. >> They just tell me to go smoke it. >> Who owns that? >> Who owns what? >> That is that m you know over the other side the bro. Do you own that? >> Um >> yes. >> Yeah, they own
the red zone. I think you I mean we'll bring up for vote but I think you gave us a little bit more information confirm what size RB you know the counts Doug everything that you you know you already did the above but >> yeah we have a maybe map it out out there so um you can take a site visit
just take a site visit and just make sure where you're going to put it >> that's fine >> propose a start and finish date and we'll take it from there >> everybody all right with that >> yeah let me just ask this one question >> oh >> do you have a lot of deer in guidance
Not in there. Not there. >> No. So that they're not going to get munched down the first year they're in. >> I don't >> I think the fence is mostly there. I mean, I know there's an opening in the fence, but I don't I don't >> No, I'm just saying if we want to switch to a different species that is going to
last the winter. >> What do you guys What are you thinking in that area? I don't mind those. It is really rocky in there. >> Well, that area where you're referencing with the agroites, it's not rocky. No, but I think the ideas are right because it's going to be tight enough, right?
>> It's more for like utilitarian purp. >> Um, >> I do have a question about the litter. You said in your report that when it's in when the work is in there, it'll take out the litter, too. >> Yep. >> Um, so that's a short-term
solution. Litter's still going to go in there. Who's going to get it from this point on? So that is our folks at the restaurant or is it have all this attention? >> Yes. >> I was appalled. >> Also keep in mind
a lot of that debris it's coming from upstream. >> Well, a lot of it's blowing in from the road, >> right? But bleach jugs don't come from upstream like >> a lot of it's blowing in from the road. And there's >> Well, from the road. I don't have access over the road either. >> No, no, I know. But it's a lot of it. So, I just >> Can you put it on your maintenance plant
and sweep that area? I certainly can. >> Yeah, because I'm worried when when I went out. Yeah, >> I got people out there weekly, right? >> Okay. >> Add this to your list. >> That would be great because when we first went out, there was a lot there. Now, we had had a bad winter, but I
would have thought that as soon as the snow was gone, somebody would have gone out. >> Well, you know what it comes back to as well? There's been a lot of misinformation back and forth with the old owners and the managers and staff that were there that this is town property, this is not your property.
Then it was no, this is your property. So, I think over the years there's been a lot of whatever >> and I guess I'm just the guy at the bottom of the hill who just scooped this all up. So, I'll figure out whatever you want me to do and I'll take care of it and moving forward it won't be an issue. >> If there's a regular maintenance plan to
take care of the living, that would be great. There's some out there now that's fresh. There's some out there that's >> Well, that'll when we get in there next week, I'll have a crew in there, get the chain link fence out of there. Whatever else is in there for debris, it'll be cleaned up. All they have to do is maintain it. >> That'd be great because it if not, it
goes down the Otter River, Miller's River, Connecticut River, Long Island Sound. We don't want guard. >> You seem to have a lot of locals that hang out in that uh culvert, too. >> There's a lot of walkers in the area. There's a lot of >> a >> lot of graffiti up inside that culvert. No, there's a lot of walkers.
>> Oh, it's plasted with graffiti inside the pipe. Oh, >> I I'm gathering in the summertime it dries up pretty good and you've got quite the walking through there. >> Yeah, >> cuz there a lot going on in that tube. >> All right. >> Well, what are we going to do next? I I
I think that wait for wait for Gddard or to tighten the last couple details up and then I think by >> the 22nd >> by the 22nd as long as the commission is satisfied with the final products then try to be
avid to vote you know for the specific details regarding the enforcement order so that way they can get on the final plan. Do we have a uh just get like a a draft or just kind of any ideas? Just like want to make sure everything's good
to hit the road. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'll Yeah, I'll compile the draft in the coming days so we can so we can measure it out and then we'll have it on the commission by the time of the next meeting. So yeah. >> All right. Well, we're going to vote to continue the 22nd. Someone like to make
that motion? >> I'll make that motion. Someone like to second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> So come back with the detailed plan. He'll give you a sum where you'll take it from there. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Uh next under hearings is the RDA for
Providence and Wister Railroad. The gardener conservation commission will public hearing chapter 131 section 40 the weather protection act the city of garden gardener weather protection ordinance under request applicability filed by tec associates on behalf of providence of
the railroad related to the work located along PNW rail right of way to be conducted under vegetation management plan. The commission shall determine whether the boundaries of the resource area depicted in or maps are accurately delineated.
Somebody here to represent >> nobody from BMW, >> but I guess I'll uh >> so I just like to stay for the record. So you're filling in for the railroad company and their engineer as the agent as well. Yeah.
>> What? >> I don't know if you can really do that. >> I mean, you're just informing us. >> Yeah. Informing you, you know, kind of >> Okay. Okay. >> So, the railroad typically does their yearly operations plans for vegetation management, you
know, along their rights of way. Um, the last time that the commission, well, the last time they came in front of the commission for an official permit was back in 2021. Um, and >> with the stipulation that, you know, the
commission would get yearly updates, right? >> Um, you know, um, >> yearly updates >> as of right now. Um, outside of what's in >> they spray every year. Yeah, they sent us a notification. >> Yeah, they send the same ones. It's
under 333 CMR 11. Um, so in the packet there should be um the map that expresses their spray and no spray zones within the short right that they have within Garner
City limits. Um, and they're again going off of historical planning. I went out there for a site visit a couple weeks ago on one of the high rail cars just to confirm that
where they were marking was where they expressed that they had that going to conduct or conduct or not conduct spraying in certain areas. um in light of the scope of this project, a lot of it
fits either either exemptions or falls within certain parts of the legislation under the under the MDR stuff. So, um the three
determinations that seem to be the most appropriate for the situation um would seem to be a positive 2A which confirms the boundaries or and then um a negative
three which states that you know activities will occur in the buffer zone of some resource areas but not have an effect so long as it meets certain conditions.
Um the primary condition that the commission has historically put on this particular line was for the yearly operations plan be submitted and discussed and and for commission review.
and if there were any exemptions that were also applicable. Um, which historically um it fit under um 310 CMR 10586A.
So, um that's pretty much all I have for for that. So you're thinking a positive a I mean a positive 2 a and a negative 5 and a3. >> Yes. >> All of those. >> Yes.
>> All right. Well, anybody have any comments or anything on that? >> Has anybody ever seen the spray? I have. >> Yeah. I know you used to go up with them, right? >> Yeah. It's it's it's amazing what you know they have the big truck does the
spring and up front there's a high, right? And they There's a boat communication, but when they got right where like the brook there by five Travis Street, right? >> Yeah. >> It's amazing. They shut that off, it's off >> and they come up and they pass it. When
they get like 100 ft over it, it's on again. But the thing I was amazed, it's it's liquid, but it dries like >> instantly. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's Yeah. Almost instantly. >> I remember you saying that. So there's no overspray. >> Yeah. And And there's no It's dried, so it it doesn't if it rained, it doesn't,
you know, it doesn't run off. Yeah, you know, it's it's a it's really they I mean they you know they do a lot of protection as far as a you know I mean I don't I don't like spraying period but >> what they do is done right. >> In other words they know what they're doing. >> Yeah. What are they spraying? What are
they using? Is this Roundup or >> Huh? >> Is this some kind of roundup? What what are they using? I >> I have no idea what they >> Do you know what they're using? >> They submitted in in their application. >> I don't know what the prime is though. The prime um killer. I I know that what
they use all the railroads use. There's no exception. >> Yeah. >> All right. Would someone like to make a motion to approve the uh negative -3, the negative five, and the positive 2-way determinations? >> I'll make that motion.
>> Someone to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I moved approved. You got the paper to sign up. >> Yes. The next is the notice of intent for uh Con Street. The P file 160-0683
the gardener conservation commission will adjoin public hearing on there. Chapter 131 section 40 of the wetlands protection act the city of gardener lands protection ordinance on a notice of intent filed by Matthew S. tomorrow environmental consulting on
behalf of Park Properties the proposed construction of a duplex driveway and associate utility connections. This project is located off of Conan Street in Gardener map R17-2-3. A portion of the work is set to occur
within the buffer zone of the boring vegetated wetland. This is a continuence from 6826. >> Thank you. Good enough. Thank you. >> Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Um, Matt Maro, Maro Environmental Consulting.
Thanks, Car Doug. Second copy for your file. I'm sorry. Um, Justin and the extra fee I owe you guys. >> Yep. Thank you. >> The U state fees been mailed out. >> Yeah. Thank you.
>> So, we last left off. There were some minors that were asked for in the plans which were for the proposed area scrub clearing which is shown on the dotted line on the plan. Um the existing tree line and erosion protection on the plan
along with a detail that's up at the top of um it was Chris car did stake it out. Um I've reviewed the potential order conditions boil plate um for your local boiler with Justin and it's fine. I believe that was basically it to wrap it
up. The fees, the minor adjustments, you just wanted >> Yeah. Yeah. Um >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to confirm there weren't any conditions that >> No, you know, we had gone over that by
email and the telephone. So, >> what were the uh all requested alterations? >> So, um we didn't have the detail for the walls and silence that were asked for. >> Okay. >> Um and we added a dotted line showing
what a limited clearing was going to be. Those were both requested by the commission at the last meeting and also it was parallel requested by DP. I have sent a copy of the plan to Kim Roth who was the reviewer. So she has I have not received any response from >> Thank you. I just I just didn't remember
what we >> Anybody have any questions or comments on We already signed it. >> Anybody have any questions or comments on any of the um conditions? >> No. No. >> Yes. everything we asked for. They use it.
>> Yep. >> They did. >> All right. Someone would like to make a motion to close the the notice of intent for Pine Street. >> Make a motion. Some >> a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Somebody can make a motion to approve um
the notice of intent with this the order of conditions as discussed by the agent and Mr. Maro. >> I'll make that motion. >> Someone to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. Thank you very much. Um, just so you guys know, if you're going to, you know, keep those like for field use, they are
scaled. Yeah. So, they will scale right up. >> Thank you. >> All right. Good night, guys. Thank you. >> I'll be in touch with you in the coming days once I get everything wrapped up. >> Yeah. When it's ready, let me know. I'll come pick it up because I want to make sure I get it. >> Right. >> Absolutely. Sounds good. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> That's the way it's supposed to go. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just not we didn't close the RDA hearing for for the for the >> Oh, someone like Yeah, we did, didn't
we? >> No, you voted to approve it. >> Oh, sorry. Did someone like to make >> make a motion to close the hearing on the RDA? Someone like to second that motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. Good catch. >> Uh, all business 170 Mil Street. It's continued um till tonight and I'm asking
for one more continuence for 7:206. I'll make that motion. This is the last one. Last continuence. Someone that all in favor >> the new business um update changing scope for D16074
which is the pavilion. Getting update help. How are you doing? I'm good. How are you? Good evening. Uh my name is Aaron Savs. I'm with Time Bond. Um we are working with the city. Um we received the order of conditions
here file number 16074. Um in March of last year, 2075. Um at that point we had um prepared a designed to demolish the existing uh
greener pool pool building. Um and had a uh uh had proposed to install a to construct a pavilion structure. Um and at that time we were sort of scrambling to get the project out to bid. We had
split the the project into two separate construction phases. So, the initial contract um of the demolition of the building has been um essentially completed. They're doing some some finishing work at the moment. Um and in as part of that uh notice of intent, we
had included the the first sheet that's included in here where it had just a pavilion with some minor um sidewalks running to the existing bike path to the uh outdoor pool area. um lands to the
Park Street, Vernon Street um intersection essentially. Um now that we've now that that project is underway, um we we went back and tried to make a more aesthetically pleasing layout for the um for the park. Um, so there's it
it essentially has the same connects to the same locations. Um, but it also includes a uh cement concrete um loop with um several uh trees and shrubs
planted. Um, as far as changes um in impacts, there were there were never any impacts to the um 30 foot no disturbance zones and there still are no impacts. Um the impacts to the 30 foot no build zone
um have reduced um slightly and then the impacts to the 100 foot buffer zone have increased slightly due to the um revised layout which has uh a more uh concrete
uh for the sidewalk that loops around. Uh so the intent was to create a a nice park area. Um, we added lots of lots of trees. We originally were in the plan that was approved only had three trees. Now we have
many and this the the planting schedule is included on the on the second tree. >> So So the the new trees >> So that that's the original. >> Yeah, that's the original plan. The So there's the that's an existing tree that remained or trees. >> I'm sorry. Okay.
Um so we just wanted to to present this to the commission and confirm that um another NOI isn't required or that this can be considered a um you know minor change that can be documented in the um
the record drawings that'll be provided. >> It's definitely an improvement. We all know it was there before. So it's good to see >> it's much nicer. You been up there? Have you been at that site by the way? >> Yes. Yeah, I was there before I came here. Good. >> Anything hit you about that site?
>> The We We've been working with the contractor to try and get that fence down. It's I'm sure >> Yeah. Yep. >> It really does. >> Yep. >> I mean, either take it down or fix it. One of the two, >> right? Yeah. >> Is that what you're going to do?
>> Yeah. The plan is for them to take it down. We've been working with them for that. They I guess we're getting the runaround from their defense. >> A lot better. >> Yeah, >> believe me. >> All right. I think it's an improvement. I think it's better. I don't think it's any major impact.
>> I like the wider drip line. I mean, that's helpful. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, I think this can be updated on an as built and moved forward with the minor modification to the original. >> Great. Let's go here for a roof.
um asphalt tools. >> Yeah. >> What do we need to do on this Justin? Vote on the that it's okay to proceed or it's just >> I don't think a vote is necessary. I think it's just more of a preliminary planning discussion for for down road
kind of thing. So, sort of as we did with um >> last meeting with different projects just >> do you guys all agree? >> I do. All right. >> Great. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Uh, next is the um scope team for the RDA on 31 Traverse Street. A new deck. Anybody here for that one? Any update on that? >> Yeah, I I have an update on that. So, I
recently received a building permit for 16. I did he move it to the other side of the garage. >> Unfortunately, I think there's a typo on the agenda. Whoops. I Yeah, it's actually 16 talcop. That was the actual
one. So, I do apologize that wrong wrong. Yeah, I apologize. I didn't catch it. Um but um this was an RDA that we had passed uh I believe spring of last year. Um,
this was for the construction of a single family dwelling that was just outside the buffer zone. Okay. >> Um, and right off the dead end street that's next to the bowling alley. Um, and so
the RDA is still open, but we recently received a building permit application for them to for uh them to build a 10x12 deck that was not previously denoted in the
original RDA plan. Um after speaking uh with DP and looking at some of the clauses with um with 310 CMR 102 which are the which are the ones that don't require
additional orders and conditions the debt is included and it is on the upper well in the upper 50 ft of the buffer zone. So because the RDA is still technically open um both the P&B agent don't necessarily believe that it
requires a a new permit just a notification that there is a slight update in scope um under the existing permit. Um but but with communication to the homeowner that if there are
more projects in the future kind of thing that you know there may be more permits required. >> I think it's minor. >> Yeah. It was almost it was um April 11th when we got this in 2025. >> So I think it's minor. Do you guys
agree? I don't >> Is it still being built? Uh the house itself is done is yeah the main the main body of the house is is done. Yes. It's just >> Yeah. I mean that was on their doesn't see an issue. >> Yeah.
>> You guys good with it? >> No. Remember you going to sign anything on that one or no? >> Um I do not have to leave. So >> just going to send a notification. >> Yeah. Just going to send a notification. Yeah. >> All right. And the next on the agenda is
the um Keys World Colbert Grant Award. >> Yes. Yeah. >> One thing that he's going to do the whole thing. >> Yeah. Um so um so did get confirmation from the
state that it was okay to share this with the board and with the public as a whole. But um our efforts to secure the funding for the replacement of the culvert for Wilder Brookke that goes under Keys Road was successful through
the Mass DOT community culvert grant program. Um we had initially gone in asking for approximately half scope just because
we attributed you know some of the initial unsuccessful submissions as having you know all of it in all the eggs in one basket. Um but after the review period um we got
correspondence from DOT where they were going to be considering the project for um for a potential full scope award. Um, and about a week or so after
we were offered to be put in the pool for that, they confirmed and had a signed letter that says that they would award full scope for the grant. Um, this buy the whole thing. >> Yeah. This Yeah. The total amount is um
$2,14,88525. That was >> I just don't when it when it comes to when it comes to making sure that you know >> when it comes to making sure that the project goes through, you got you got to know the numbers.
But um but yes, so we'll be um I'm working with DOT to finish up the final couple submitts that they need before we um before we progress further. Um, I will plan on making sure that
the correct updates are given to all parties and also the general public especially when things do start to get going because you know there because it is a single street with only one way in
one way out. you know, there may be a couple there may be a couple steps where, you know, details and, you know, certain constraints with passage in and out could be a thing. So, we want to make sure that we're in a spot to
communicate appropriately so everybody knows how to proceed. >> What's the timing on this project? >> Um, yeah, that is still being worked out. We're hope I'm hoping to >> We're hoping to get it. Yeah, we're hoping to get we're hoping to get it
well underway this year and finishing by end of next year, I believe, is our >> Who's going to manage the project for the city? >> Um, as far as the project as a whole, um, after discussions with director Stevens,
I think it will be either him or one of my other colleagues that are in the office. it won't it won't be on my plate for the actual management because he knows that I'm also the reviewer slash the person that has to make sure that they are compliant to the regulations.
So >> does anybody that he's thinking have the knowledge and experience to manage this type of a project? >> Um I'm not Yeah, I can't I can't >> I know there'd be consultants but I'm just curious on the process. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we but yeah and and we
do also have our consulting engineers as well too. >> Okay. Congratulations. Thanks. That's amazing. One quick. So MVP, you don't even have to worry about that one then. >> We'll be communicating with MVP in the coming days just to have our application
retracted, you know, just to make sure that no other applications outside of ours were held up just because Yeah. just because they're could still be considered kind of thing. So, we want to make sure that we free free
up the money first. >> But this is this is ironclad though. This this >> the full one is that's >> yes. So, >> great. Is that our biggest? >> I think that's one of the bigger ones. Yeah, it's definitely it's definitely
the biggest for me. Yeah. But yeah, I'm glad that you know after >> I'm glad that >> Yeah, I'm glad that with the timeline, you know, cuz I understand that this culvert has at least been recognized as
a problem since early 2000s and it took multiple it took multiple grant attempts, you know, and multiple staff changeovers to get here. So, I'm just glad that we can finally
bring a much needed project to fruition. So, so yeah. >> It's not how is your M's program going? >> Um, M's program so far so good. Um we're at week three and we're
we're at very high marks. So at both both classes already we've gotten gotten at least so far and knock on wood we've gotten 100% on the assignments that are looking at a 3.4 3.5
>> uh since since the grades are 100 at this point. We're still at a we're still at a 4.0 from now. I mean obviously that that that is >> I think we should give him a dollar for every that is bound to change you know again because you know different classes will
be tougher certain assignments will also require a lot more effort you know than your weekly homework assignments or quizzes but yeah >> do you like it? Yeah. No, I I find a lot of the material quite interesting. Um, yeah, the two classes I'm taking, you
know, one of them is wetlands policy, which I mean, we're already it's sort of our my job, but it's also good to look at it from a perspective where, you know, there's always a lot of room for improvement for for that. And it could
give me different lenses in order to look at particular situations in regards to permitting or if we were to or if something you know had to change legislatively that you know would make a lot of things a lot stronger. It would be a good thing to look at certain
things. But um and then the other class is um uh long pine ecology which the species itself is not is not you know typically found in the northeast but the
but it's long leaf ecology you know management and restoration. So it's you know a lot of the concepts that are learned in that class can be transcribed into other species or other forestry related
situations as well. It's also one of the classes that I'm taking in order to pursue uh my concentration which you know again fingers crossed you know it will be in uh restoration ecology which
you know you know as we know you know you know, resources are constantly in peril. So, you know, if there are ways to fix it, it would be great to have the, you know, a little bit more foundational knowledge in order to help prescribe potential solutions, you know, in order
to make sure that we preserve the function of those. >> We certainly those restorations inspection. >> Yeah, that's >> um And what's the date of the inspection? The site visit Thursday. Thursday the >> Thursday at 5.
>> Yeah. And uh one uh just two more quick things for um professional development that will be happening in the next couple weeks. Um, so this Friday I'll be taking a trip up to the OPI Pine Barons in order to um do a fire history field day which
will again it's more or less to get myself used to fire ecology and you know being able to be somewhat interdisciplinary. We're looking at some of our you know some of our management that we have on some of our conservation
lands as well. Um, and then next week on the 18th will be my final uh my final workshop for the uh University of New Hampshire soil science certificate as well. So really excited
for that. So all right. Do you have anything? >> Uh well uh last thing um I think that I have on the record for um I think the last thing is that um the MACC conference just got announced for
October 24th 2026. So, um it's a long ways away and we still need to vote at a later date and you know for the commission's yearly dues um before we think about attending conference but you know just to make sure that's in
everybody's you know back of everybody's head so if they are interested we can you know have plenty of time to plan accordingly um and get things squared away ahead of time. So that's about it for me. So, >> okay. Next meeting is on June 22nd.
Anybody have any new business? Grind us. >> I do. I have two things. Uh, one, I'm not sure of the date. Uh, I think it's Tuesday and a week. I think it's June 16th. Mass DOT is holding a Zoom call about the proposed bridge over 140.
Um, >> really? >> Yeah. and public is invited to join in. >> Where is it going to be? >> It's gonna It's going to be a Zoom call. It's going to be online. >> Oh. >> Um >> somebody can somebody bore that out?
>> Uh I Yeah, I saw it announced on the city hall Facebook page. So, it's out there somewhere. I should have written it down. I wasn't thinking. I will um make sure I send it to
Justin or give it to him or give it to him tomorrow to to give it to all of you. Second thing is that you know I'm interested in trails and you know I'm interested in signage. So I'd like to thank Dane Arnold and
Doug Monroe and people at DPW. We got a sign Bailey Brook Park at the entrance way to Bailey Brook Park. A street sign. And we also got a street sign for Marggo Way. Two street signs for Marggo Way, which is right across the street from
that entrance. So if somebody is using GPS and they're trying to get there, they couldn't find it because the street that's nearby wasn't marked either. So we got three street signs now. People should be able to find Bailey Brook. >> You got regular street signs. It's
regular street sign. The one from Bailey Brook Park is off of a telephone pole. >> Marggo Weey has one off of a telephone pole at the far end and has a new pole at this end. >> That's fantastic. Well, thank you to DPW. Looks good. >> It's tough to work on. >> Steps.
>> They did a great job. >> Yeah. Good. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Because DPW has the ability to make any kind of sign, >> you know. you know, all the street signs, stop signs, >> whatever >> on on that on the bridge that, you know,
for the trailer one. Is there any uh time? >> I'll I'll let you know. I'll I'll let you know. Uh I don't >> No, no, I meant >> for what they plan what they're planning. Uh I'm assuming that's what they're going to reveal during the call.
>> It's been years in the making. >> Oh, yeah. >> We've approved the cores a few times. So, >> yeah. >> All right. All right. Does anybody have any other new business? Someone like to make a motion to end tonight's hearings? >> I'll make that motion. >> Someone to second. Second. >> All in favor? All right. Move is
approved. Thank you.