##VIDEO ID:xuP5M0W3C3Q## thanks everybody for coming in uh first on the agenda is um the meeting minutes so we're getting caught by meeting minutes we've been trying to get a meeting minut a take care for uh June since June July I haven't heard anything I've been repeatedly asking so hopefully something changes soon uh but right now uh Justin's been trying to get us caught up on some of the meetings so we do have the August 26th meeting minutes so some of them can make a motion to approve those minutes I'll make that motion someone to second second all in favor I I have to obain that me too so move is approved uh the next is the notice vent for 68 Acadia Road the garden Conservation Commission will hold joint public hearing under mzl 131 section 40 Wetland protection act and city of garden ofland protect ordinance on a notice of intent filed by G engineering half of Ro C in for the construction of a single family home at 68 Acadia Road this is a continuance from 9924 and also so 923 and the applicant has requested an extension to 1125 some to make that motion make that motion someone the second that motion second all in favor I some move is approved to the 25th next on the agenda is 143 let's make that let's what's weit on that one 143 short ride 143 Colony Road The Garden of Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing on under NGL 131 section 40 the Wetland protection act the city of Garder no 10 followed by allpurpose storage Gardner LLC represented by Christopher guda Fieldstone land consultants for work and parcel ID x22 1316 8 through 14 and 9 through 18 at 143 col Road the project entails extension of existance storage facilities including seven storage containers four of which are located within the buffer zon of the boarding vegetated white land this is D 16664 and also has a violation enforcement order which is a continu from September 25 how you doing oh good good to see again yeah uh for the record we did make a site visit on was it Tuesday THS last Thursday last Thursday gosh uh everything looked really good out there so I I appreciate you hanging in there uh I know that you walked into some things you weren't you know aware of as we were not aware of and um you presented to us and tried to come up with a good plan to fix it to remediate replicate replant grading and um it looks really good so I just thank you for hanging in there if you could extend that to the owners yeah absolutely um and we we do appreciate it and you want to just talk about what you guys did how much you took out so the record can okay so based upon uh the sidewalk and just discussions with the contractors who were on site it's estimated about 12200 cubic yards of asphalt millings were removed from the Wetland buffer the 17700 Ft of Whitland impact was removed entirely down to Native soils was receded with the Wetland plant mix the buffer areas that were restored were planted with New England conservation mix um is there a difference between the con mix and the land mix yes um and on that restoration plan the actual species are all called out so it's about 30 different species um I talked with uh one of the employees from W plants down in Hadley yeah and um said some of that seed actually does need to freeze before it's viable um but based upon our discussions on site the plan is to have a two growing season monitoring program to ensure viability okay um and then I believe we had also talked about um securing uh the areas in some other fashion um than what has been presented on the plan so something like a split rail fence over yeah so just what people weren't there when we were talking about it when you come down the little ramp to the lower lot we're talking about he's got um almost like a silt sock around where the white lands buffer line is and for the future we're thinking about having a split rail fence or some type of designation I know a lot of areas we were putting big boulders but I think that would probably cause an issue and over time get plowed into the white land so maybe some fencing along that areas would be good maybe maybe a little plaque on there why plaque on the posts and certainly yeah um we did that something similar to that over at nature trail right yeah I think so yeah so maybe you can give them a picture of that to show them what we're looking for um but it does look good like I said appreciate what you guys have done out there picked all the trash up got the the barriers out um all those campers that didn't belong there in the first place and I removed them so I appreciate that and what else so going forward what is the plan and what's the timeline this is approved So the plan is to remove the rest of the outdoor storage that's up above in that section um so there's to be no outdoor storage of vehicles or anything associated with this it's going to be all controlled site access with individually leased lockers or units um previously what had happened was people had outdoor storage they stopped paying but whatever they had was just left there under the new ownership if once their lease is broken then the units would be empti auctioned and put up for somebody who's going to continue to pay the lease can you just hold that up and talk about where the wetlands lines are it's all been previously Disturbed so you we all aware that we're aware of that but talk about the potential plan going forward so right here this is the utility easement that comes through um there's Wetlands that come down this is pretty steep grassy slope that comes down with some shrubs that have grown in uh so this Wetland comes here and then it follows the topography and wraps around similarly over here continued on the other side of um that utility easement there's additional Wetlands um which is actually um a little bit more developed in terms of uh plant life you have actually U like Cattails and things like that that have rooted and it's very very clearly Wetlands sit over here I think you've also had some expansion of the wetlands based upon poor drainage at the site and directing storm water flows directly to the wetlands the plan going forward is to upgrade all the drainage on site to make it all closed drainage curbing to capture any storm water runoff that doesn't just exit the pavement area and then is all to be treated um in a underground chamber system here and then the rest of the storm water will go to a uh Pond that is to be created outside of the 60t buffer what's the timeline so as of right now I believe the plan would be in the spring um and we would coordinate that we're talking about if you need a we probably need a newer updated plan of what you want to do now that everything's kind of been cleaned up show what you believe now the white lands delineation lines the 30 the 60 um and just to kind of show where those two proposed areas are going that are going to be constructed that almost fall outside of those zones now correct um so in addition to that we can show the split rail fence and have construction details for how those are to be installed yeah um so I guess just to kind of review what we had looked at too because portions of the buffer that were restored we had previously proposed additional plantings in there and I think it would still be a good idea to self those areas with larger Nursery stock okay I like that um and we've targeted pollinator and uh fru and species for those now there's going be a lot of sun there though right doesn't get much shap morning son that's it it depends which side you're on there's some shading okay good all right so you're going to come back before us when do you want to continue this how long time can we go the next meeting would be that'd be the 20 the 25th of November is that enough time yeah there wouldn't be one no I did okay I didn't know if you guys bumped it to the next day no okay that sounds great all right thanks for your efforts again um someone like to make a motion to uh approve a continuance for the 25th of November a second all in favor thanks K just give us what you can a couple weeks before or week before even yeah we're kind of familiar with it now so we give you at least a a week lead time thank you um and then is there anything you need from our end regarding the uh the enforcement order uh no we can send uh something Justin can kind of craft a letter up um saying that the enforcement are known void and U kind of give an update of where it started where we are today maybe a picture you can initial it and then we'll send it to you and that close that out there anything further Statewide okay thanks all right thank youate thanks for coming out the other night know you had a long ride yeah it was nice night all right next on the agenda is uh man drive which is map and parcel M 17-1 19-1 The Garden of conservation commissioner will will reopen a joint public hearing under mjl chapter 131 section 40 in the warlands protection act in the city of Gardner warlands protection ordinance on no of 10 Follow by Allan Bellinger of installation of self storage buildings with in uh Incorporated Landscaping driveway and drainage improvements located at man drive and Gardener the project is located within the buffer to a bordering vegetated white land and out of repairing zone is anybody here to represent just confirming no I may had asked for an extension as well J ask for an extension as well Bri Brian J okay someone like to make a motion to uh continue this to 11:25 motion made on a second second all in favor 66 topz terce Garden of Conservation Commission hold Jo public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 40 and the Wetland protection act and City Garden of wetland protection ordinance CL sappier park manager for the property located at 66 toz Paris D file 6671 how are you today I'm well how is everybody good good does everybody have a no okay um not much explaining same as what we've been doing all along 97 homes now so um it's our last one um we just have the back um if you're standing on the street the back um right corner of the home Falls within the buer Zone that's it was that have comment on uh we doable yeah so I'll just just for the record you want me just yeah comments All right so in addition to the D number for 16671 um the DP just wanted to make it clear for the record that the most recent USGS map shows that um on the northwest side of the property there um seems to be a preno stream um located within 200 ft of that stream is the lock that we're speaking of the applicant should confirm whether River Front extense onto the slot um from the nearby perennial stream or and how the project meets performance standards from 310 CMR 10584 um and then um because this slot is part of a larger subdivision the applicant should con that a stor management plan those proposed being constructed with the overall development um if there's no storm War management plan for the deel can should demonstrate that for on these laws meets the Massachusetts St water standards I got a question is this question just look at or we have to sign on the same way uh that's for Vie yeah I have the okay yeah so I believe you guys have a St water plan already out there we do I remember doing that we do have you uh had any logs you can share with the commission at all do I have any what I'm logs I do yep I have everything take on file in my office can you send that to us just for record I think it might say in your yep I think I um I think I mark it every 6 months I believe we we do a check yeah you might have already sent it to us but if you want can you send it yeah it's probably been a while since I sent one over so yep I'm happy to do that sure have any questions on the LW why is this why did this come up because of the there one little section there do you have that map you were showing me earlier try to dig it up yeah way way in the corner I know it's not really it's out but they just making sure it's right in this area right here that's the only reason why do you believe it's in our jurisdiction cor over there if that's a might be yeah I think that this River I think that that stream may have come up um it had to have been the last year or so with the previous conservation agent and um I believe that we had new plans done for it um and she had then verified that it was not within jurisdiction um it was one of those lots that was on that same side within a few over from there um I mean are the lots that are a lot closer there's what there's lots that are closer right right yeah had have been two or three down maybe from from this one here that's 68 right right here yeah would be yeah what's that I'm getting old I can't see anymore neither yeah what is that doesn't help it's tin you guys want do you see this in the back of your packet no see it I think is that in the same packet the same want to see I think it's cuz when ft of foster Brook yeah 200 ft yeah I mean just kind that's another area that's been Disturbed for way before they were there it's it's not it's not damned up he took a walk out running but it does run what do you proposing what are your thoughts on this one have to read dp's comments and everything I I'm positive they have a storm water plan in place and I think I've seen logs over the years yeah they do have the storm water management plan in place then I do believe that they are doing their best to meet the standards as do do we need some more information from I don't think so I think it's just she's going to send us the logs y I think you might have sent them to Doug but if yep happy to do that what do we need to do just vote and sign off uh standard order conditions yeah the commission so you guys are the standard order conditions this one I mean there's a BM and everything there too so yeah I have no problem K you all right with that one you guys good too you know where we're talking it's not yeah yeah there's one on either side already all right some like to make a motion to approve uh standard order of conditions for uh 66 topz it's the 16671 motion made for toz second all in favor start yeah thank you we'll get this signed and get it over as soon as you give us the logs we'll send the rest of that paper perect that sounds great thank you everybody appreciate it that's it out there right that's it yeah thank you for everybody's time and patience and help I know I mean hey not maybe maybe I'll just stop in and come to a meeting thank you thank you I'll be you the okay perfect great thank you all right the next is uh request for determination of applicability which is 572 Betty Spring Road The Gardener conservation Comm commission will hold a joint public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 40 in the Wildland protection act on the city of gardener Wellness protection ordinance on the um request for notice that determination of applicability followed by Matt Marl environmental Consulting on behalf of Mark null the proposed project is located at 572 Betty Spring Road and is for the installation of utility poles with a portion of the work occurring within River Front area how are you today good how are you good card um here guys have some C all right the white points of the trouble make sure they were made up pretty nice so think all right thanks guys so hopefully this will be really pretty simple um I had extra copies made of the rendering that I put in um essentially it is an RDA for the placement of a telephone pole within the very outer skirts of the River Front um the reason for the RDA is because a telephone pole is basically a one- day job um it's on the side of the road the river is actually across the street on Betty spring so 572 Betty spring owned by Mr null Mr null lives at 572 Betty spring there is a lot right next to it that has a gravel drive it's getting partially grown over that goes up to the lot there a telephone pole that's going to be out of jurisdiction that goes up top and one on the bottom going in and then the wire will connect to the telephone pole that's already existing across the street this is for a new electrical service this is for a new electrical service to the lot okay who owns the polls um it will be National Grid both of them both of them okay so they'll do the install they'll do the install they're basically they were just waiting for you know commission approval so I went out I assessed the area did the RDA um did an analysis of the riverfront I mean the telephone poll essentially is going to wind up taking maybe less than 1% of the riverfront so that's basically it one day job if you want some maros protection we can National br they usually do it anyway yeah now there PO on that side of the road too already there no there may be but this particular pole cuz I really PID attention to that there's a pole existing across the street with a with a perennial stream is so they're going to connect to that pole put two new poles here okay in fact I believe when we were out we saw the existing po right from what I saw all the poles Ser serving that area on that other side the whole way so this would just be Crossing it to accommodate this there's no other way to get power to the law I think we talked about this the last time not from the looks of what I see out there and knowing how National gri would Operate Now CU in order to do everything there is above ground in order to do anything underground they'd actually have to go under the road which means they'd have to get either the city or do involved or both yeah um it would be a monument and actually would be create a lot more work in the right paring more it would be closer to the brook yeah I think we ever had something like no we've talked about this one a while ago yeah yeah yeah I mean you know it is in the repairing Zone even though it's just on the outskirts of the repairing zone so it is within your jurisdiction so there should be at least the determination just to memorialize the work so that you guys have a record of it they're going to they're going to drill this right that's what they usually do you think it's still a neg two no it would be a neg two because it's in the riverfront technically the riverfronts a resource area right that's the reason for the two and not the three yeah we talked about it yeah so did Justin and I spoke about that as well yeah and and the state never sent you any emails did they they didn't send any yeah um both Brianna and Rebecca over D they take all of the rdas and they review them if they have anything that jumps out of them they will send they won't send it to like the applicant but they will send it to the agent CU I know cuz you guys know I'm the agent Westminster y so they they do that all the time yeah so next two is the work to SCB requests within an area subject to jurisdiction under the ACT but will not remove fill dredge or alter that area therefore said work does not require the fing of those of intent everybody agree with that yeah yeah like to make a motion to approve the new poll at 572 Betty Spring Road with a -2 I'll make that motion I'll second that someone I'll second all in favor I thank you thank you um The Colony Road was that the one with the violation yeah okay so when you're there yeah the small section of that did go into Westminster um well it it's so close we couldn't tell I know it looked like it did to me but you know you guys were handling it like so well but while I'm here now that this is over with us on my Westminster c y if Justin if you need any support on that please feel free to call on me Town Administrator Stephanie has already given me the Y permission to do anything that needs to be done to help yeah there's two trailers out there are they still out there yes there's still out there they they were the last time I saw that was about a month ago they're still there they're owned by somebody cuz I know Mark eagle and I called him up and talked to him about it and those were sold a long time ago and if he gave me the name of the company they're already they've been out of business for like 15 years okay well I will look into that then thank you might want to get in there and get them out of there before it gets even worse I don't know how you can do that but cuz after a while you feel get a truck in there to pull them out I usually wind up going to KP on stuff like this they usually like to growl people y all right thank you Lu thank you manks for that thank you so I I read by the way guys I don't know if you know what's going on in Stewart Street I heard they tore the old factory down they did so what are they going to do there it I don't know really oh surpris duplex I believe so you know the white house next door the factory the b i place oh you I was the one that reand it h interesting I'm surprised pollution all right uh thank you uh the next one is a request for Project Extension for D60 0622 which is Kings are solar Drive solar project anybody here to represent yes on how you doing your name is get up Al for kick so you guys took this over from Fred right correct yeah so um Fred typically develops projects we we have a relationship with him we're based in Allon Massachusetts um purearts owns and operates about 275 megawatt megawatt hours of project so we have um upwards of 80 um either operating or in development and um we're we're local buers so we we own and operate over the lifetime of the projects and fredly develops them to start and then we would purchase them um and we've done that uh with him in the past so we have a relationship with Fred and we've since acquired it um and you may you may received the letter um I submitted I believe it was two weeks ago or it was last week um basically just describing right now the projects in study there's not a whole lot to report on anything no work's been done out there um it sits with National Grid under review at the moment um there's a group study and given the large number of projects in the group area um it's a pretty detailed review um and I believe I quoted since November 2022 it's been under review to be approved by the dpu the the previous group study this project is waiting for the next group study to queue up uh and for that reason we've just been sitting in the queue waiting for National gr to review um and we we can't interconnect the project or really proceed without knowing what the costs are um that National Good Will repres us and that's why we're here today to uh extend given the expiration dates coming up in December 2024 for so my question was um our side of it I don't remember kage being on our do in our documents I thought it was who Fred represented so do we need to get new paperwork going I I believe so I think we just need a new applicant name on the next extension if I understand correctly yeah I think we I think I've done that what's what's the time framea for time frame uh so so it's basically comes down to when National Group finishes so the dpu has been reviewing the previous group study for about two years now they could come any day it's very hard to tell when they're going to predict what they're going to do next um but say they were to approve it tomorrow it could be the same process all over again with our group study which could easily take two three years you know plus so um so have you read the filing previously the application yeah yeah I've seen the pre we have copies of the prev too I know we had some a lot of stuff in there about cleanup you recall all that yeah get a lot of work for us already cleaning it but there was more agreements on some of that area yep yes I think we've we've investigated that with uh a firm GC that we've looked we worked with in the past so um everything would be in compliance with all all clean up and before we begin any work we have I want to say 70 megawatts worth the projects on landfills and Brownfield so it's kind of our specialty and there's there's demand for it in the state cuz you're not really going to be able to do anything else with the land so we a lot of experience with that yeah yeah now do you want the one on M Street the one on Mill Street uh no no this would be our first in town but we have uh nearby towns we have one in uh a I guess is someone did that one on Hill Street yeah where's the one in a um it's uh I can't think of the address off the top of my head I apologize um yeah AEL sh Shirley there and um another development in Westminster uh off of Spring Street uh that hasn't been built yet but a lot of focus in this area y yeah so you're looking for an extension I I mean I think we should probably I'm I'm fine with the extension I just want to make sure that you understand the agreements and it's not like you understand what Fred and I our commission had agreed to previously yeah absolutely and I I also wanted to take the opportunity just introduce carar but we we're we're very experienced in this line to work and this is this is what we do in New England Focus yeah what to sign that um if the commission um were approve be be up to 3 years I think I I'm fine with three because they're cleaning it up and it's something did a ton of clean up the first time yeah you guys remember that yeah yeah monor the well you guys all agree with the threee extension yeah that's fine someone like to make a motion to approve the extension uh from kirel for an extension of 3 years 2011 King Drive sorry make motion want second that second all in favor thank you than the other you like a year yeah three years so yeah do you need anything else for me Jus um no but I'll be in contact will be in the coming days to once I finalize the documentation and everything thank you guys nice to meet nice meet you uh the next on the agenda is request for certificate of compliance for 56 Stephanie Drive D 160101 well that's an old one so you want to kind of go over what you found out there um so about a week and a half ago and land us and closing attorneys for an applicant for closing on 56 stepping drive it has a outstanding order of conditions almost 30 some odd years old um and from my knowledge of of the lot from what I've seen on the maps um the main structure of the house is outside jurisdiction from the nearby Pond um and any that was done after the development process has been outside of our jurisdiction um so they're just looking to see if if the lot can be released from theing you're in favor with of the certificate um support from what I observed um I don't think there would be anything that would complicated if the commission were to accept did you drive by there I did drive okay what were the conditions that needed to be cuz there's language on there about replication on the on one of the Lots I don't know if it's that lot yeah I don't know if it's that lot though but it's not clear it isn't that did you see anything at all on our fil I didn't know yeah I didn't seemen looking for that specific yeah something that old too was very was a brook right behind it was it no not not not Brook okay Pond Pond yeah be 99 yeah yeah I only asked because there's a few things on that document for 30 years one of them was replication yeah four lines of text one of them is about replication but I don't know if it's that one though there's a whole that whole development if you come around and turn it's all wet in the back yeah that's where I believe it is on the other side yes that's what I think the replication area was yeah you can down Stephanie driver on the right hand side which is not this L it just wasn't clear no I know I know I'm fine with it I mean it who's who's going to enforce us at this point yeah cuz the laws weren't in effect then technically so someone like to make uh to make a motion to approve the request for certificate compliance of 56 stepan drive I'll that motion I'll second it all in favor one of the we're going to get them all done sold you know how many sold now now got they sold we're getting pushed when they want to sell and they want to close in two days I I think after talk the attorney to they said that it's gone for multiple ownerships until they got to this point but since they so he found it since they since they found it it's best to try to take care of it replication wasn't that extensive In the City by for sure and they do realize that there may be other laws that are still yep that's the ones I'm thinking of down more so yeah all right the next on the agenda is the emergency certificate for the Beaver Dam breach from the DP w we all agreed to it we just got to ratify and sign off on it to make it official let's make a motion to approve the emergenc the signatures of the Beaver Dam breach by uh DPW like to make a motion to approve the signatures I'll make that motion I'll make that motion second all favor we've already voted on it CU there was an emergency but want to make sure we get any update on it uh Bieber J has been removed thing and they're monitoring for you know they track yeah keep going does it either be a deceiver or do not you can't really put one there um I think we'll have to talk with the DP and the board of Heth about longterm um solutions to that cu this particular breach there wasn't removal of the AC all thing so there is the chance that eventually it might look back back yeah all right next on the agenda is the enforcement order on the sludge lenfield Justin can you kind of give us a rundown on that one second so you guys see this uh yep I got a C thank you I never see the side if you guys get it or not so yeah I run public so a few weeks ago um I got contacted by the director our DPW state that they received a letter from a DP inspector um out of out of their central office um indicating that there was um a complaint of a sent deposition um on the outlet of their stor Mar system and um upon learning of this they notified me forwarded the letter and we went out to conduct a site visit um mirroring that there was one self deposition a couple years beforehand um this one was a lot lesser in size um but it's still occurred due to over inundation and age of the bmps that were already in place um DP had advised the agent that the best course of action was to write an enforcement order in the context of a work order to make sure that we act quickly and effectively to make sure that it gets clean up as of today the sediment has been removed the check dams have been replaced the soil has been cleaned and um it was written on the enforcement order that um any major maintenance towards the outlet or major modifications should be run by us or long-term CLI should be run by us in order to evaluate for so who maintains it right now um I it's theola and they don't have representative here well I think they should be so I want them to come before us and talk about it and and figure out like what's the maintenance plans been that's been done and how they answered this I know that you sent some stuff out to us but they should coming before us does everybody agree with that and I agree they I checked my records from before I mean I have pictures in 2020 of the same thing happening in the same spot too yeah so what's the deal yeah so that's why they should be here I have pictur the same place yeah big S I thought it was down a little bit more but like what's the deal yeah I mean what's causing it I go ahead I mean it's lack of Maintenance it's yeah it's potentially lack of lack of constant change that could be that could be a Christ yeah yeah we at least for now the action is the potential this and I I can also make the action to talk with um both DPW I should be able to get repr presentation from all if we have questions well I think we put it on hold until they come out in the 25th yeah yeah I did too I I agree I mean they haven't been in front of us in a while and it's happening in the same spot and we just want to make sure the maintenance is done it could be something else something else could happen we don't know but we'd like a full explanation of it and um representation should have already been here they should not show so I mean why do they feel that they don't have to be here when they have an a force mot I mean Ken's driving an hour and 20 minutes to get here one way for 13 minutes in front of us so let's put this on hold until the 25th of November yeah I'll make a motion we put okay we're not going to sign anyway okay someone have to second that motion second all in favor 25th we got to have somebody here I mean that's more than fair we want I'll send you what we're looking for when they come out maintenance plans yeah who's in charge who was on that day who made the repairs what they're going to do in the future but I'll send it to you yeah my my only question was in my in my experience um typically just the enforcement portion does typically have to be ratified within the next meeting just for yeah we'll we'll stop we'll sign when they come out on the 25th okay I don't want to I mean unless unless you want to open it back up inside me see it the only question is does this allow them to be able to do stuff well that's what I wanted I want them to fix it and if we stop work they can't fix it that's what we did with Ken completely fixed I know they cleaned it up let me see it what does it say on there yeah it's the green lighting for the work or for a c what was allowed to be done under that is the repair is allow the light repair measures and the um and the corrective action to remove the actual silk stuff like anything that's you know restorative or anything that's more take more than clean up more than cleanup should be brought to us so nothing's been done so far no main done since the last time well ask so erosion controls have been replaced the sil that was deposited outside has been removed and the check dams have been also repaired and the and the Swale has also been cleaned the Swale that comes before the outlet so a lot a lot of that has already been done I think we should meet with them again before we do anything I I agree with you d s confus and why we need to sign off what stop yeah well that saying the biggest question the restoration plan shall be filed with the issuance with the issuing authority on number 4 1028 so where's where's their plan have from the last time well they made a they said an attached page but this this says the violation information the findings but this is on them right then the order Associated priers were work to adhere to recommendations of the D by utilizing least impactful methods such as the use of hand tools should be used in the removal of sediment see I don't I don't know what I'm saying yeah tell want to talk to about replacement of the old silk fence and erosion control measur shall occur within spone water Sr in the area impa of impact Associated parties well the other Associated parties right who wrote this I did you wrote that for them I wrote that for them to to do what they had to do yeah for DP recommendation yeah I know as for the DP recommendation and it also mirrors the past enforcement order that was done it's did they already do the work they already did the immediate the immediate work to aate the immediate problem did they put new Sil fence up they put the new Sil fence up par should notify the Conservation Commission and Eng before the start and completion of the implementation of these methods any extensive modifications to long-term minutes within the aors will require a fil where's their filing I'm still going to ask that they take me out to so you haven't seen yet I I they sent me a picture of the new you guys I don't remember us doing it like that last time with Ken we we stopped work got everything together and then we signed that was three years 3 years ago four was it four yeah 20120 2020 yeah I don't know I don't I don't understand what we're signing off we signing off that the enforcement or is in place I think so right is that might as well bring this up because it's going to come up you people appe appeared appealed yeah to w we had that meeting up there right yeah how long ago was that you remember roughly the uh appeal meeting was last year it was uh I think it was in uh May the first one second one all right we never heard anything back from that either yeah that's different than I know but you know supposedly now it was told meepa has has has has to do something and they're very slow which is so do you guys agree that we see so we I can open this back up with a vote but I don't understand they need to come before us and tell us what they're going to do going forward you said they fixed everything already but you haven't seen it yet yeah I've seen one photo of the new did you go down there it down there not since being acted the order order put some on notice essentially all right well I mean yeah I I think that's what that does we're still going to require them to come yeah they needed to tell us what they're stopping them from doing at this point yeah but there's this is saying that they'll tell us what they're going to do by the 28th right I did see that oh next month oh no all right so they've already done this well they they have to clean it up immediately yeah it's too big immedi so you already signed it because we already put it in place correct yes all right someone like to make a motion to open back up the um 50 man could drive enforcement order um against the uh issued by the city of conservation to the city of uh Garden Department of Public Works I'll make that motion someone have to second the the reopening second all in favor I all right all right someone like to make a motion to approve the enforcement order um to the city of Garder Department of Public Works per the uh enforcement order and attached documents and also with a request that they come before us on the 25th of November I'll make that someone like to second that motion I'll second it all in favor all right I jumped the gunet then I just I don't understand this back here so I just put on their representative to attend the 1125 meeting again I'll I'll send you what we're looking for but they should have that they should have already submitted all that paperwork to us can you also find the the file from the last time happen in that location and have it ready for us on the 25th I can do actually if you can scan it and send it to us in advance that'd be good yes unless it's massive just give the filing information on the enforcement yeah I I can I I can grab that yeah just send it to us I remember it but I don't remember how I thought Dane came before us after that cly isn't a rain event that's happening to do that yeah that's and how recent is all right let's keep going then so the 25th that's when we're looking to have this back on um next is the new business is the nature trail update um before the meeting I had instructed Justin just to confirm on the submitt on the no white lands mix uh what was submitted on is a little different than we're used to this is kind of I don't understand it says it's we hereby certifi Valley Green Incorporated anybody ever hear them no but they provided MOS Landscaping of mons and mass this and it's called quantity to be determined identified by New England wet mix and I don't this is not even a full sub this is more like a cover page of a cific compliance I don't understand it no grass much yeah pass it over it looks like we were looking at it looks like the same but it's not the typical subm we see you can make that bigger if you want me want to make it bigger it doesn't work no okay so what happened we don't want the same to happen at at the middle school that happened mine doesn't do the screen this looks to me okay that's so we started looking at the mix yeah and it looks the same but normally it's not bought from it's sold right from New England wet plants out in Amherst I remember yeah it looks the same right you guys know grass but it up here it says this Green Valley when I Googled them today I couldn't find them see would yeah so they're not the ones that make it so this could be a resell from Hadley to them right so he I I asked um I asked Justin just to kind of confirm what that was and this is a onepage sub mle um did you did you think they contact tyan Bon the other ones looking at it they are but it just looks a little different than what we're used to see can you come down you want to go to the top yeah they should put with the in front I know it doesn't don't know what that even is but it looks like they did this and they cut and pasted this in yeah we just want to make sure that's what's out on S yep they didn't plan have they pled it yet um they I haven't gotten verification as to whether not they've seen it yet they are planning to do it before it's too late but they're not expecting to see a lot of germination I think tomorrow we should get STI Bond things and just yeah we want to confirm that this has been right verification first thing tomorrow morning cuz it says approved as noted and there's no notes on it yeah so I don't understand what the notes are using this proof that's noted there's a modification to the sub and it's a onepage sub which I I would I would have denied the sub from the start and then there's a couple areas that I noted to Justin about um where the sil fence is kind of falling down some of the silt socks kind of pushed a little bit and it might be because when they're scraping on the way by it's kind of pushing Rock up but let's just get that rectified I don't think there's any major rain um in the forecast week but just shows yeah I think I think Friday serious and then David you would me you would talk to Justin I byy email about you think that tree can be safe no problem I mean I'm I'm saying no problem but yeah they should be able Sur okay any other update on the trail other than you're and Alex did just send um a recent report on the Contin sub trting and um and starting work on where they're going to put the culverts I will be sending those reports over to the commission sorry tomorrow who's here for the nature trail you're normally involved you want to take a look that's just the U TI and bond reports skill reports I want to see look good that's a the big piping they putting in there yeah well they got to upsize it now with the I think it's a new standard but now can you talk about where they want to turn it one of the coverts or something I saw they're turn or resizing they would bring the Cs in yeah but they want to resize one and turn it I thought I saw that that's I don't know why they want to do that a change I want to read it it's right here um more notes had a discussion with Mike about the alignment of the 36in Culver a trees located where the flared end and rip wrap are supposed to be the solution is to shorten the Culver to 32 linear feet and adjust the angle slightly clockwise which may also field adjust the end of the 12-in covert I don't know why the the engineers need to be aware of this not this isn't how you do it um during the discussion we also spoke about making sure that the embankments are not too steep so this is a this is like a daily log kind of what you're reading over there but these are should be RFI request for information they shouldn't be making modifications so if you could find out who this mic guy is Mike's the foreman I guess and and find out what what they're doing and they need to get approval from Ty and bond to make any cover changes and I don't always like turning a covert I to see what time B say about yeah I know but they're putting in their daily I don't know what the process is but normally you'd submit and say hey on colum line X we're moving at 10 ft then this is upcoming schedule somebody's aware um part La is working to install the 12-in cover today which means they installed it but they might want to change the length after the 12-in covert is installed they plan to continue subgrade to work up to 36 in cover parla will then complete the 36in cover in the remaining subgrade work plan to have subgrade compaction test done by the end of the week then next week they plan to work on place in the GE textile fabric which you should probably witness and um yeah the goal is to pave it about 3 weeks with tentative date of 11:21 what was a completion date any remember I thought it was around Thanksgiving but I think it's going to be extended I think they got a later start than what they told us originally which I understand that yeah and they've also had um a bit of trouble with the amount of help that they've had on site at one time I think at one point there was a step where they had too many people on up shovel so to speak kind of thing and now they kind of had the reverse for the last couple AIT I apologize for bad a analogy but um so the pavement um so this Mars my point in the wetlands mix this one says this this is an approved submitt for the pavement and it says approved the wetlands grass seed says approved as not of no no changes to the draw to the uh submittal so that's we're looking see how it says it up here that's why we're looking for it so it hasn't been changed I don't know I that's what I mean they might have approved it because it's the same mix but the way it's presented is usually you stamp approved if it's 100% exact so they approved as noted the asphalt has as approved no changes so this is just a do which we asked for all right ramelle Pond how we looking on that so should Ty B wear this culfor thing well are they involved point of you they could be I don't know the how their procore process is don't either but so normally it would be an RFI and they would send that to the architect and it' be copied on to to dtin then he'd let us know and I just the engineer or whoever the formul is on site he's filling these out I can't see who's approving them or noting that there's a change so I would follow up that cuz it looks like they're going to do something tomorrow there every day yeah the only one guy that been working at really Mike looks like yeah he's taking a lot of pictures he's doing all the papk I just don't know their process their flow all right Ram Pond what do we got so I can tell you what we got you want to so well since you brought it I'm going to tell you well it's the same thing as 170 mil street right yeah which is under the old dis enforcement okay go ahead you went out there Justin and I went down and we met the owner well we thought he was the owner come to find out he's not the owner it's his brother no there's no owner because the corporation that owned it had had had had been no U progress on it so the state deleted them they they said you know this Corporation is not being used so they you know it's no doesn't stand anymore so now he he he told us this himself who did Harris okay so he says but I got first refusal when when we get it all stred out right now nobody nobody owns it which is crazy so what about didn't U Mass damn safety say that he owned it he put it on I mean they identified him as the owner right yeah but he doesn't but he's he tolds nobody owns it well who is the owner of record right now on the tax you look on that law who owns it the tax ID map who no it's it's what is it what's was a cooperation so if I look on mass mapper for the parcel identification stuff it says 129 South Main and that's the property owner who's that that's what we don't know that's that's what we don't know so Tom ask D safety has done all this work wrote all these letters and they're not the correct owners him according to him but according to he's not the owner anymore so why does he have all that he had when he when he when he was brought in he's moved some of that equipment out so he doesn't know that law no he doesn't know anything down there no no no no so he hired he hired his agent her his what was that guy's name McCarthy right did all that work for that lot that he says he doesn't own yeah he says he's a legal owner on the paperwork C Henry ask Justin right just he said we I don't really own this anymore and he told us that that the the corporation had been his Corporation yes had been hadn't been used or whatever whatever it is listen okay and and they go to the go to look city Clark and pull up the record to see who owns it does that include the building too no he just he told me he just bought the building from the uh um the Horseshoe Club no no the other building in the back yeah that's part of dam and everything yeah can just can you just do that tomorrow city clerk find out who wants now there's no water in the P yeah or very little he's screen that comes out on okay Hill Street underneath and so this whole time Emily Caruso everybody else including his own agent has been writing letters that something he doesn't own or or he doesn't oh I got it right here 200 so it says well he owned it before says right here 170 I don't remember the name of the corporation well find out okay so if they don't own it find out when it was transferred actually what I could get gather out was in limbo yeah well then now you know all the all remember the letter they sent him he had to do all this work and they estimate the cost of it yeah well he took everything's out the Dam's you know the dam is FL going through there's no it's not backing up anym than it was 30 years ago 30 years ago a pond was dry no no was always a back pond in there a little bit not very little B no it's 6 in of water right well it's probably 12 in of water today right now so I don't know if I'm reading this right but it says triple uh July 28 2020 tax taking somebody bought the land watch out from the city and it's 129 South Main Street Corporation so basically what I'm not going to say what that's what it was something sound right yeah find out when oh no right now he also said all the pro all the problems on there were none of H he wasn't the problem there were people putting boards in taking Boards out putting boards in yeah and he told us about the canoes they C down it's just what being said the the main um I guess main update for the Ry Pond is that it's been reduced to a split tributary um it's um I haven't received a final synopsis report from Dam safety or or the engineer as of yet but um for what we discussed on site during the time that I met them out there um bleeding suspicion as to you know had the pong got dream was um that the little piece of infrastructure that worked as a stop plug on the low channel um gave way after a very long time and minimal if not any upkeep to the actual structure itself and it drained almost like a yeah in a sense like a sink or about and over time um I haven't seen any giant piles of you know fish no fish kills no giant piles of sediment so no sediment plumes um and no reports for flooded infrastructure damaged infrastructure but we are stilling on confirmation for variables that contributed to the change composition of the weapon itself okay so all right so what's the update on the school looks like stuff's coming up already regation wasse yeah lot of Education um I took a walk out with um I took a walk out with umw and with who Mark Haw and Wayne Anderson Wayne Anderson's the um gentem who's typically in charge of facilities and stuff there at the school used to come for us y yep and uh did a walk around definitely not didn't see a lot of wild wild well toward the end of that already yeah um but from what I could tell looked a lot better than what I saw in the pictures we were for last year I do think they have Tak long these and corrective actions okay so we're going to check it in the spring yeah I think we should check it in the spring and if it is satisfactory by Spring then we can potentially start looking at um working with them for the following steps for potentially fireing certificate compliance if every checks out well they have to file for requested okay and then under old business is uh 170 m which we just discussed but um you're going to see what the property record is of 170 mil Street whoever owns that water where the water is I'll check with the clerk and the assess office as well the information that you looking for also check and see if the transfer or deeds for the gotu club yeah he supposedly he bought that I don't know we did also 200 which is the one on the other side I saw that he bought all the property just get the property card and send down to us okay um that's going to continue some like to make a motion to approve the 170 Mill Street to 1125 yeah I'll make that motion second it second all in favor I professional development Mac fall conference debrief I know you guys went out there um K did you put in forget your reimbursement yes did you get your reement yet yes great you did yes all right yes wow me started how did you uh what do you think of the conference and what it's it's always good to see what other people are doing and network with people informally um yeah was really worthwhile yeah what's your biggest takeaway uh some towns are more proactive than we are I'm right cuz usually we get the opposite yeah where you were one of the most active in the state no I know that I know that uh no I mean like going out and holding birthdays and garlic P garlic mustard ping and and uh other different things okay yeah we used to do a lot of that and we had we used to do all kind of plantings uh somebody um maybe uh has uh regulation for what any landscaper in the town can use plants that any landscaper can use in the town even out of the white LS cuz I mean we're that would we can't do that sound that's what it sounded like yeah yeah thank you what did you learn anything good uh yeah I took I think about two or three different storm Mar courses trying to see how to more effectively allow our paperworkers look at what we might look at for conditions in relation to projects from that lens um took a look at the FEMA flood insurance course because we did just have uh discussion with K from DCR who's typically talking with towns about their ordinances and see if they match up to the current standards um and I thought that in the best interest of keeping multiple staff members um in the same head space but thinking that keep keeping up with those standards you know I thought that taking a pressure course on that would be good especially if eventually go for certification such as certified he plan managers or things like that um and then another one which was about um accelerating restoration and meeting going the biodiversity goals who was presented by mass Aon and they kind of talked about how to look at long-term um Restorations projects and also some of having a open thought discussion as to some of the hurdles that communities or applicants largely see when they're dealing with those types of projects you know and I think some of the most common ones are um consistency um capacity and funding and you know sometimes even the even the permits I mean you know as we've seen a lot of permits you know some some of them can be daunting and so are some of the time ons with the applying for them and lining them up with uh with some you know potential grants that you might actually be going for in order to help fund important projects so oh great did term he used was the corporation was inactive so the state dissolved it so nobody owns it right now that's what he said nobody owns it he but I have first refusal he okay whatever all right the next meeting is the 25th so that's that's going to be a busy night any other new business anybody have any other new business I have a couple comments um just have to do a favor my old all right you speak a little louder because I know there are people having a hard time and I'm one of them yeah me Doo um you know yeah and the other thing is the panels the solar panels on M Street need grilled maintenance there saplings growing up through the panels is weeds that high everything needs to be trimmed and I like to see that done this year not next year yes so that's I just looked it up it's what did I say blue I just looked it up but they have maintenance plans and we have them on file we should probably be able to find that you're right amazing I don't think tou open I actually the out with um more he because for he got a complain or notification about that too so I I have seen that uh I have seen that a couple poppers have definitely taken Ro on the inside of that fence fluid thrown over it look messy yeah real messy yeah yeah it's it's called um blub Capital that's what on about I think you killed that Tre yeah what was that a Buttonwood all still there barely no no big one over there yeah bad shape yeah all right anybody to do business I'll send pictures of the field okay anybody in the audience have anything yeah quick one yeah Alan Russo two Spring Road are you aware of the contamination problem of 14 dioxine in the uh vicinity of the landfill property and Gardner no I'm not if you want to send me what you have out yeah briefly uh the monitoring uh report revealed that there was exceedances for one for dioxine it's it's a carcinogen yeah yeah and it was found in four of the monitoring Wells and my P which is called sw4 surface water number four 1,200 ft from the property uh the Board of Health is started to address this issue um but uh I I thought I heard mentioned that the concom was was notified or somehow spoken to or have you heard anything on this yes I have you have who someone notified you not personally they notified the mail and I I notified him the auctions the most potent chemical made by man yeah it's a real problem it moves fast through the ground uh I've requested that I've sent a long couple of emails copy D people basically asking that they hire a licensi professional to really look at this thing can see how much is there too well and to develop a contamination pattern uh you know if it's 1,200 ft from the property and this stuff moves through soil very quickly um that they should be doing you know exhausted testing right now the sludge landfill has three test monitoring locations they don't test for one for dioxy I said why don't you have them do that they test whatever the state is I have not been vertified so so I just wanted to make sure where sounds like some of you are well it's all un official want people unofficial through one some need I think they of that ancient AR David what was it used for well by auction to kill weeds like agent orange no this is a different this is actually a different it's it's not dioxin it's diox all right so what was it used for gy uh well it's used in a lot of cleaning chemicals all right so the factories used it then well I'm not sure how much the factories used it but it it it literally could be flushed down your your sinks and your toilets because it's used in a lot of cleaning agents all right so when this thing popped up uh the first question I asked the coom is where is this coming from where is it coming from what's the source of the is it a liner leak at the bottom is it a cal leak at the top they're not even sure it's on they're not sure so right now they're trying to investigate it um I get concerned when when you know we got an enforcement order for material silt material from the Sledge landfill because I asked the question could this be come from the Sledge landfill don't know you don't know don't know so uh just want to make you aware of it it's already been discussed at three Board of Health meetings it's in their minutes it's in their video recordings including tonight's meeting uh they're going to continue to get more information from DP well it's di chain everything I said is on trou yeah yeah you think of dioxin from like those weed chemicals this is dioxane yeah okay um but it's it's still a nasty nasty car Synergy go to you can find and send out to the commission thank you Al yeah you're welcome anybody have anything else can I just this is a clarification question shouldn't Board of Health be telling us about something that's in the water mhm until they until they are told officially and I don't know where the report came from maybe they're waiting to the report I don't know I've never heard anything of this before I am neither that's my point this makes no sense yeah they did notify the Templeton board H that happened uh at the end of August just a heads up to say that there's something here cuin a mile no all right we look into it I appreciate you find on that okay someone like to make a motion to tonight's hearing motion someone like to second that motion second all in favor