the very beginning. I'll start over here real quick. >> We're live on YouTube. Yeah, it's not like that at all. Yeah. >> Okay. I haven't I just talked on the phone
like half an hour ago. So >> yeah, that makes sense. All right, I'm going to start us recording as well. God here. >> Welcome everybody. If I could please ask you to stand for a moment of silence and salute to the flag
to the flag of America to the republic for one nationy and justice for all. Adequate notice of this meeting was provided to the Union County Hawk and advertised on December 26, 2024.
Notification was sent to the local source union county and is posted on the municipal website, the municipal public bulletin board, and filed in the office of the municipal clerk informing the public of the time and place according to the provisions of the open public meeting law chapter 241 PL1975.
Uh we have Mr. Arthur filling in as our deputy clerk and acting bur administrator tonight. So two roles for you. Uh roll call please. Mr. Arthur >> here. >> Councilwoman here. >> Councilman Foley here. >> Councilman Carney >> here. Councilman Lazero.
>> Councilman produc I believe is excused. Correct. >> And council president Nye >> here. Uh roll call of staff and professionals please. >> Uh bur administrator John Arthur I am here. Adamson, attorney >> here,
>> and Jonathan Pride, chief of police. >> Okay. Um, we have a special award tonight. Can we silence all our phones? Um, this is very special. Um, I am
presenting the fall community spirit award tonight. Um, and when I received the uh email nominating uh these two amazing people, uh, I immediately thought, how perfect. Um, because they
really do embody the spirit of Garwood. Um, tonight I will be presenting the community spirit award to Diana Cortez and Jean Cornnejo, who are the owners of Alonzo's Cafe uh, here in Garwood on
North Avenue. and they recently few months ago celebrated their 2-year anniversary here in Garwood. Uh, and if you've ever gone in there, you just get such a homey sense. It really does. You just feel relaxed when you go in. You
really do. Um, but what really stands out to me when I go in is just the kindness that just radiates off these two people. Um they you just immediately feel welcomed. It's like when we met it
was like we knew each other forever. Come on in. Um and it was just and I think all of their customers truly feel that way. And uh as you can tell one of their customers, one of the regular customers, Kelly Ferrara, did nominate them. Um and she has worked with them
not just as a regular customer, but as you'll see uh for some of their community service that they do. Um, but you I I think everybody up here would would truly say when you walk in, it's just really nice to feel that that homey sense and that sense that you're um
coming in and and a friend is making you your cup of coffee. So, um, with that, I would like to welcome Diana and Jean up to the mic. Why not? um because they are not just getting the
community spirit award of course because they have an amazing business here and they're so welcoming but they truly do a lot of work for the Garwood residents and for our groups in Garwood. So you'll see uh I'm going to read out the proclamation.
So Diana Cortez and Gene Corno are the proud owners of Alonzo's Cafe here in Garwood. Diana and Gan, who live in Union County, opened Alonzo's Cafe on July 13, 2023, serving coffee, beverages, and pastries and more to Garwood's residents at their location on
North Avenue. Diana and Jean fell in love with Garwood's small town close-knit feel and felt it had the perfect mix of being walkable and family oriented. They felt it was the right place to build a cafe where people could slow down, connect, and feel at home.
Diana and Gene knew Garwood supports its small local businesses, so they wanted to make sure Alonzo's became a part of that community, and they wanted to give back. Diana and Gan began contributing to local groups, donating coffee to the Lincoln School PTA and Garwood
recreation events. They partnered with the Garwood Partnership for Arts and Culture as a location for their art shows and they became sponsors of the Garwood Clark field hockey team. Diana and Gan are known for their kind demeanor and the way they treat each customer's family. The cafe is named
after Diana's late brother, Arman Alonzo, and they want to ensure that they always honor him through the love they put into their work. Diana and Gan embody our burrow motto of a small town with a big heart for embracing the community through their service and
providing Garwood with a home away from home. So, it is with great pleasure that I, Mayor Jen Blumentock, acknowledge and thank Diane and Jean for their true community spirit. And we also have here uh a little special gift for you. This is the Aolon
Factory castle building. they call the castle uh that you'll see on North Avenue. Just a little something that you can hang uh up in your house or or Lonzo's to remind you for of of Garwood every day. So, thank you put on the spot. Okay.
>> Um, we just want to say thank you to Jen and to everybody in Garboard, everybody who comes, our regulars. Um, the store is rooted in memory, but it now it serves a way bigger purpose. We never thought we'd be here in a million years, and we just love this community so much.
everybody that walks in. It's like we were we just left the store just now because we're doing the winter syrups that everybody's asking for. And um yeah, just a big thank you to everybody, especially Arwin. >> You're good. All right. I need a peppermint mocha. Is that coming up? All
right. I need a peppermint holiday. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Do you want Okay, you read it. Okay. >> We um So, thank you Jean Diane and you are welcome to to stay or it's up to
you. I know these things can be very, you know, exciting, these meetings, but it's up to you. >> Um, we have a a presentation next. Um, but Mr. Arthur, do you want to introduce everybody? >> Sure. I'll quickly introduce um
presentation from LLC. Knox. All right, good. Uh, it's regarding the drone partnership with Garwood's police department. Uh, they came to the b asking to pilot their drone program since they're a Garwood based company. Um, this would thankfully
be at no cost to Garwood as Noxer would provide the equipment and that that saves substantial amounts of funds for the municipality to participate in something like this because acquiring these uh drone devices is very expensive. So, thank you Nar for coming out to do the presentation and to share
what exactly this offering would be with the council and the public. So, if you're watching on Zoom, you could see the shared and you can follow along there as well. Thank you. >> Hi, thanks for having me. Uh again, Sean Brown from Noxero. We're a partnership
company with Quick Copper Technologies who's been in the burrow for quite some time. Also, Maria and Sandra who are founding partners of the company along with S are all uh local residents as well. Uh so again, we just wanted to thank you for your time today and just share the presentation and uh we'll go from there.
So, I'm going to show a quick video uh which uh will kind of just embody what the program is and kind of get a good feel of what it is. Rosie some footage from uh shot within Garwood Israel. >> So, just pause for a second, watch a second. It's about 60 seconds.
So, as you can see, uh it's a a fully autonomous drone platform basically. So, it's allowing us to be able to work with your police department and it's something we could integrate in with your 911 system. It's something that we can further and build upon in different phases as well as the pilot goes and how well the police department embodies it
into their normal use. It keeps police officers safe. Uh it allows to keep the community a lot safer as well in regards to response times. Not that you guys have a great response time here in town as well, but um it allows the drone to fly to a priority call or be overwatch to provide. So, let's say there's a
domestic or something along those lines where a police officer could be rolling into a scene where there's someone out there with a gun or something that's going on that he doesn't know what he's rolling into because he's coming in blind. The drone has already been there and flying overhead. The community um can be kept safe as well as that officer's life kept safe is when he
knows what he's rolling up to because he's seeing live footage of it from his car. Uh which allows him to be a lot safer when he arrives on scene. This is uh what a poll would look like in regards to how we'd want to uh implement it, you know, um in certain
areas where if we didn't have the ability to actually connected onto a rooftop uh or another location. And again, again, just building on the partnership and strategic partnership goals with uh the um town of Garwood. You guys all have printed out uh handouts in front of you, making it a
lot easier for you guys to read rather than the small print on the TV. Um but again, just building on municipality safety and resource challenges. Again, rising to safety challenges. Um, let me hold this so they can hear. Uh, rising to safety challenges. So, again, the community be kept safe. Resource
constraints in regards to um, in certain times you may only have two officers on patrol or three. Uh, there could be instances where there's a priority scene coming in and and a drone could be there, letting the officer know what they need to do if maybe they need to stop the scene they're at and they need to go to another thing because the drone
is there determining what the severity of the scene could be. So again, it's just providing safety and security in regards to the community, but also the officers and again the drone technology utilizing uh fully autonomous uh FAA certified uh
pilots as well as also um parachute systems that we can implement with the drone system as well. Um and it's fully um uh certified by the FAA. Again, a shared service model. So, uh, basically we're going to provide a drone for Gar to be able to use with their
police officers as well as their police officers to be able to fly. And then we're looking to eventually implement a second drone where, um, Noxero will actually provide missions as well for other safety and security for local businesses. And then it's something we can also provide as a backup in regards to the officers as well. So, if that
drone is on scene and already investigating something, if there's another call or priority that comes in, we can actually launch another drone and actually look to be able to assist the police officers as well. Again, this goes into hardware and detail and AI integration in regards to kind of
using uh remote flight software in regards to it u being able to geollocate where it's going to be able to fly to. So, by putting those coordinates in, whether it came from the 911 system or they're manually entered in, the drone knows exactly where to go fly to and actually be overseen and they can be manually controlled by a pilot in
regards to doing further investigation. Let's say it's doing search and rescue. We can put thermal cameras on. Let's say there's an elderly person or an amber alert or something else or a silver alert that went out. We can provide thermal coverage in regards to seeing into the woods in terming finding someone.
Again, service commitment and life cycle management in regards to what Noxero is going to be providing this hardware and all this software and solutions and training to the town at no cost. Uh the burrow will uh basically be able to benefit from this as we work through the pilot. Uh we're going to maintain the
hardware. We're going to maintain all the licenses and software and and upkeep of the equipment. Again, certification training having different SOPs in place in regards to how things are flown. All the video is secured and encrypted. It is only be
provided to the police is not available for public use. Uh it is um by um certified pilots who are the only ones flying it as well as also fully background and checked and um um sworn in officers or or actually certified pilots as well.
again flight patrols and emergency in regards to uh safety protocols, fail safees. I managed the parachute system uh data security and control in regards to full encryption of the video and again following any regulatory compliances as you see um working with Chief Pretty as well in regards to
filing for a part 91 BV loss waiver which stands for beyond visual line of sight. Um so anyone who's used drones before typically you'll see them flying with an actual remote control. These drones don't fly by remote control, they fly by software. So basically the drone flies out of your ability to actually
see it. Um but the beauty of that is again it's all again certified by the FAA in regards to how this is is incorporated into the system. I wanted to mention this as well. Uh Chief Pretty is also uh basically a great friend of the Elizabeth Chief as well and they've been implementing this
program within their town for many years. They have a very vast drone program that flies all over Elizabeth. They have multiple drone boxes. They use it on calls and witness um uh regards to uh takedowns and other instances. They've even started implementing services for when residents are away or
on vacation. They'll actually fly the drone over and check your house and your surrounding properties for you. So, it's another thing that as the program grew and things that other towns are doing, you'll see that you guys could start offering for your residents as well. New is about to implement a fully autonomous drone program as well. So, you're seeing
it more in the in in the area as well and becoming more and more popular. Again, this is a phased approach. So, we're going to be doing phase one now with the pilot with Garwood Police. But again, we can do future expansions as I mentioned on if the school board ever wanted to get involved or they needed to do other
kind of security protection or your parks department. Other things, vandalism is a big thing uptick, you know, kids using ebikes and other things, damaging turf, damaging fields, damaging property, etc. Drones can again also uh geollocate the location of a camera. So if a camera goes off in
regards to actually taking a motion sensing of someone coming in, the drone can automatically fire to that to further investigate. So a lot of times, let's say a vandalism takes place, even if a camera caught it, may not be actually being able to be monitored all the time. So by the time the person came in or the school board or someone else
came in the next day and they saw it and they report it, obviously the person's long gone by then. They could have been in the hood. They could have not, you know, been determined. It's a lot very makes it very difficult for the police to be able to find them. But if the drone was there and took off while they're still doing the incident, the drone can track them and follow them to where they went. So now the police are
going to their home to arrest them for what they did rather than just filing a police report hoping and praying that they catch them. Again, coverage contractual terms. Knox covers a full $5 million liability policy as well uh for this. Something we suggest and talked um to John author and
the mayor about as well in regards to if you guys want to get your own insurance policy as well, something we recommend as well. uh we've attained our own uh again we're fully FA certified compliant. We're also have uh FAA part 107 certified pilots. So again fully uh transparent in regards to all
accountability. Again approval and deployment plan uh in regards to getting the product out and the officer uh trained and you know actually implemented the pilot is what we're looking for your approval for. And again questions and just thank you
for your time again allowing us to speak today. Happy to take any questions if anyone has. >> Okay, thank you. Yes, sure. Um, sure. Go ahead. >> Thank you for the presentation. Um, I just, um, just had some clarification
questions for the FAA part 107 certification. Um, is that something that, um, for example, the officer that would be in charge here would have to get to eventually then be able to pilot?
And if so, how long is that process? How expensive is that process? >> So, it's actually something Garwood already hosted, a 12 person class that we had uh, trained. We invited two of your officers already. One has already gotten fully certified, Sergeant Miller. Uh, he actually is fully 107 certified.
He already has his FAA pilot license. Um and then was it Zach Garaski? >> Yeah, Sergeant Garas also went as well. Um and he's in the process of finalizing his studying and then we'll be taking the exam as well. Uh Knox already has uh
two trained pilots as well and you know we're looking to add more and then also as part of the program grows we can train more officers of yours as well as also we're looking to implement uh a 24-hour um knock as well where we're going to look to bring in either retired or offduty officers as well uh who want
to pick up extra work. >> And what is the process for the training consist of like how many hours and what is the you know cost of that certification? So, the FAA charges $175 to take the exam. Um, basically, and once you get that and you actually pass
it, it's typical filling out FAA forms, etc. Could take several weeks before you actually get your actual temporary license. And then we'll actually send you an ID card. Uh, the training is typically you do a two-day class. You can do it online, but it's it's better to be done with a certified instructor
and do two-day training class. Uh, and then from that, it's just, you know, however you feel comfortable in regards to taking the practice exams. And when you feel you're ready to take the exact cuz you actually go take it at a licensed testing facility. >> Mhm. And this question might be more for
the chief than you. So, um, you know, obviously I I definitely see potential benefits for sure to Garwood, but you know, I think like when you described Elizabeth as a much bigger city than Garwood, I guess I would ask either you
or the chief like where do you see specifically this being useful in Garwood as opposed to some of the things you talked about in Elizabeth? >> Yeah, I mean, I want to speak for the chief. you could certainly come up with an answer as well, but in my opinion, um, from what I've seen and witness from working with Elizabeth and other
departments, um, basically if they have a priority call come in or an instance where, um, it's, you know, a scene where they require something, um, you know, for overwatch or protection, uh, whether it be search and rescue, like I mentioned, I witnessed when I was with
Elizabeth, they were doing a undercover drug buy with a drug dealer and basically the drug dealer took off and obviously Elizabeth, they were up on one N. So a lot of police departments have a no chase policy. So they couldn't chase the person. He was driving 80 90 mph on 19 up by the Plask Skyway and there cops
were about nine blocks back and they couldn't keep up with him and they're not technically supposed to chase him but eventually he clipped a curb as he went past Waw Wa and then he went onto a foot pursuit and he went and hid behind the dumpster at Wawwa. The police were so far back they never would have known he was there. They would just saw abandoned car but the drone followed the
guy's car and followed him and then was overhead. Now, the drone flies at two to 300 feet almost in the air. So, you don't know the drone's there, and you don't see it. You don't hear it. So, he had no clue he was being followed, nor did the drone was overhead. So, next thing you know, eight police cars come in and the guys arrested and pulled out from behind the dumpster and then
brought into jail. So, none of that would have taken place if they didn't have a drone program. So, kind of it was really cool to see real world experience of exactly how well the program works. Chape, do you want to speak to some? >> And then so just like he was saying like with search searching for people, we've
had a few instances where you have a shoplifter. Everybody loves to run to the train tracks because there's it's overgrown with weeds and there's garbage there. Uh we had another time where we were chasing somebody. They disappeared over the train tracks. They were in a dumpster. We found that out four hours
later when we were watching the video camera, we saw him his a car pulled up. I guess he had his phone. called the person, come pick them up, honk the horn, gota jump out of the dumpster, jump from the car, and left. If we would had something like this, they could have been hovering over there while we're still searching the area. Um, if you get
calls at UNAMI, a lot of times you get calls for juveniles over there. Uh, they're setting off fireworks. It comes in as shots fired all the time. So, we can send the drone over there so we know exactly because although it's a county park, by the time the county gets there, they always call us in Franford to go
there first. So by the time we get there, we can have the drone up the same time. You know, everybody as soon as they see a a car coming, if you're doing something wrong, you just assume it's a cop, but if we send the drone, then we'll be able to see which way they're running into the woods, stuff like that.
Um, and even, you know, if we have in the summertime you have we could differentiate instead of, you know, for a smoke condition if sometimes you just smell something burning, we can send up the drone in the area because we can't see in everybody's backyards. So we like, oh, it's a fire pit at this house. Yes. And with the thermal, so it'll
catch the heat and everything else. So, a lot of times we'll have two cars driving around for half an hour trying to find a potential fire just to find out it was a fire pit. So, you know, I think there's a lot of situations that would be super beneficial for us to have
it. It, you know, especially at no cost. Um, Sergeant Zacharowski, he's in the process of getting his license since he is a supervisor. He would be in charge of, you know, it's not going to be a dedicated unit, but he would oversee the unit. and we're going to work on the SOPs, get them from Elizabeth North
Bergen and customize them to to what we need here. >> Yeah, I I have a couple more questions, but I'm monopolized the time, so I'm going to let my other council members ask questions and then if maybe they ask them, I'll we go back to me. >> Yeah, sure. Um I, you know, I I see the
areas that it would be helpful. I'm especially um obviously uh interested in in the scenarios where it would protect our officers too going into uh a scene. They would know ahead of time what's going on. Um I think the question that I
will get and we will all get up here the most will be data security. how you know walk us through a little bit how do we ensure that >> it's it's on part of kind of like the same thing you use with the police officers using Axon body cams or or patrol car cams it's all encrypted data
um I don't know in the it's in South Carolina it's not um foyer request I don't know can you foyer a body cam video in New Jersey yes so yeah so if someone foyed it I mean we can't present it and you can't provide it but again it's fully encrypted it's just like their body cams no one can see it it's
no it's not any out in the public. No, it's not going to wind up on Tik Tok. It's not going to wind up on YouTube. Um, it's fully encrypted from the point the drone captures it back to the system and fully encrypted online. So, there's no data privacy restrictions. Um, just like again, it would be the same
concerns you'd have over body cams or police cams. It's the same uh encryption type. It's the same recording, same, you know, backend equipment. So, it really is no different than what you're already doing today. It's just a different means of capturing it. >> Oh, sorry. Mhm. >> All right. Well, I'm going to need to
press you on that a little bit. So, I know you don't know who any of us are, but I'm a career law enforcement officer. >> Uh, I am one of the administrators for Axon for my agency. >> Sure. >> Um, what software are you using to control the drone and also where does
that data go between it being sent to from the drone to our officers? >> So, it's a live feed for them. So the drone feed would come live to them in their in their officer car or you know their knock or the uh office you know and dispatcher and then from there also
it can be recorded and saved in the cloud just like Axon is saved in the cloud and then basically from there it's fully encrypted and fully accessible only by the people we deem access to have to it. So it would really be only your police department. So with with Axon, there's contractual agreements
that basically impose a crap ton of liability on Axon if data gets out that's not supposed to. And they have a very limited number of people that can look at anything that's recorded by a body camera, at least in this state. >> Sure. >> And uh we it's called OPRA here. Uh
okay. Um Open Public Records Act. Um, so there are a bunch of attorney general guidelines that that cover this that I know the chief is is familiar with on uh what can be released, what can't be released, what has to be redacted. Um, my concern is who from your company
could actually see this video because anything that the police are doing responding to a call is by definition evidence. >> Correct. And it' be the same thing. Again, the feed would be encrypted and saved and we would have and Ken set up a separate segmented piece. So things that
that Noxero is doing compared to the things the police are doing. It could be different feeds. We can incorporate and encrypt it differently. So there could be a folder where all flights that are taken by uh Garwood police are saved in a special encrypted folder that the chief and the staff that he deems are
the only people who have access to it. We're not here to spy on anybody. We're not here to look at anyone's feed. We have plenty of other things and business to do besides monitoring drone feed. So I assure you it's it's by no means um what could be done. It it can be but we
will provide the proper documentation and encryption for it. >> So I'm just I know that you're you're operating and Elizabeth I have familiarity uh with their program. >> Sure. >> Uh I'm asking more on behalf of I'm sure this is a question a lot of uh the
public here would have. Uh and then also just my other concern is I just want to be clear there's a human element involved here somewhere, right? This isn't just they get a 911 call, the drone's going to set itself off and go look at things. There's the FAA and per EVV laws, there has to be a remote pilot
in command at all times. So, someone's always monitoring the flight and making sure that the drone doesn't have any issues, is on path. Um, if any issues does happen, that it returns to home and lands back on the dock. Um, like I said, that's where the parachute system comes in as well. So if the drone was to lose
power or have a bird strike or a failure or something else just like a plane could have except planes don't have parachutes. Uh this would have parachute and the drone could in essence come down at a safe you know speed and distance. So the just the the way my mind works is
uh the reason why I'm asking if there's a human element involved is that um sworn officers um have uh guidelines and and training regarding uh you know implicit bias and certain other things.
I just wanted to ascertain for everyone listening that there'd still be a human element involved because we've certainly seen uh AI go astray. Sure. >> When left to its own devices >> and there's many companies out there. So I don't know if anyone's heard of Flock or Brink or Skyo or something heard of
Flock, which is where 80% of these questions are coming from. >> Right. So Flock has their own DFR, but it's called DFR. Drone is a first responder is what the technical acronym typically for this is. Um and again, Flock or any of these other ones out there, it's the same instance. A lot of these uh folks don't a lot of
departments don't have the ability or funding to get certified pilots or enough people to do it. So there's companies out there like Flying Lion. Uh there's flight uh drone guys. There's there's several out. There's one in um Yonkers PD is actually implementing a huge Nokia uh through Motorola program.
They have a product as well. Um and they're using um Westchester drones I think because they don't want to use um flying line because they're based in California. They wanted someone on local East Coast time. So there's many agencies out there and there's actual um documentation and things out there that there are many agencies already using
third party independent contractors to do the flights. So, it's already in place and and and I'm sure we can provide or or provide you the comfort around that. It's not Yes, it's not a sworn officer, but technically you don't have to be a sworn officer to take video
cuz it's no different than every Ring camera, every door cam, every camera that ever has anyone anyone on their house, every, you know, instance that something is being recorded. You go on scene, something's happening, everyone has their cell phone out and recording it. Obviously, technically that's all
evidence. And yes, the police could try to subpoena that or go after them, but there's no guarantee that's not going to wind up on TikTok or YouTube or something else. >> In this case, though, we're not talking about a civilian bystander. This is something that we, the government, have sent there. >> Sure. >> So, in my mind, this would be treated
just like it was an officer's body camera that you attached to the drone and brought up in the air, >> right? >> Like it would have to be handled the same way for me to be comfortable with it. >> Sure. And that's certainly something as part of the SOPs that you've mentioned as well. So in regards to what is your you know policies and procedures around
this is something we can you know totally be open to you know making sure that we're all in compliance and make sure you're comfortable with it cuz that's just where whenever the government outsources anything or goes to a third party and I'm certainly don't want to give the impression I'm opposed
to this cuz I'm not. This is a this is a great program in Elizabeth but you know our function here on council is to make sure that we're doing right sure by uh by the people that put us here. So, you know, that's kind of my my train of thought on this if that if that makes
sense. >> Yeah. No, totally understand. >> So, um you know, because where we've seen third party stuff go ary, you know, in history, look at red light cameras in this state and where did that end up? >> Right. That was again known human factor
and that it was AI driven and they were looking at in regarding to monitoring the footage and then determining this person did or didn't do something based on just a video. In this instance there, like you said, there is a human factor to it. Someone is monitoring the flight while it goes from point A to point B,
but then when it's on scene, someone actually takes manual control and actually starts zooming and looking and videoing and just like an officer would. Again, it's something that could be contractually still part of evidence. It's still part of the the solution. It's still part of, you know, your normal SOPs that you would have in the
environment that you would have for any other body cam or uh car cam or any other footage that was recorded. >> So, as long as we have SOPs for this that apply to to any personnel who don't work for Garwood, >> correct? >> That they're going to be comporting with
the relevant AG directives, then I'm good. >> Yeah. Again, they're going to be FAA7 certified pilots. Um, they're going to be the few choice people within Knox Arero as well that will be actual pilots and be doing this because again like I said once we build this out and our goal
is to not just obviously do this in Garwood that throughout Union County built out throughout the state etc. Um, we're going to look to bring in like I said either retired or um, you know, offduty police officers as well. So they're just serving as just a you know
a side gig basically in regards to making additional funds while they're not on shift. because my my only followup for that and that's more for the chief is um third party or vendor vetting for anybody who's not one of your people would I think would be called for I don't think um or Sandro or
anyone have any problem anyone doing a full background checking etc whatever you need to do that would be totally fine with us >> cool thank you may >> do you have any other questions I'm sorry >> what do you imagine this technology will be like in say five six years I know you
probably go to a lot of these shows and things and so what is the discussion? What is the goal saying? >> I don't know if you guys are familiar with it. President Trump actually put through a whole part 108 and was trying to push the FAA to get that that license that I should say laws out a lot quicker. So what part 108 is going to be
is going to really change the game. It's going to start seeing drones all over. Uh they're pushing more autonomous drone flights. So, non-man flights, uh, where you're going to have Amazon or Walmart or Door Dash delivering your food or package to your house by a drone. And,
uh, there's actually quite a few drone taxi companies and things like that where a drone literally will land somewhere. You'll get in it and it'll fly you from point A to B like Uber. Um, some of this is taking place in other states already. Um, uh, Florida has a very wide adoption of food delivery service already in place, uh, with
drones. So, it's coming. Uh it's just the um legality and the FAA is slow in regards to adopting some of these things, but the technology is there already. It's just the laws aren't caught up to it. Uh but I think you will see more and more autonomous drone flights in the future.
>> There's some safeguards in 5 years when we don't have to have the whole human element. It's my concern and in the sense that it becomes just an operational uh unit through just AI. Um what safeguards are put in place then? So there's something that they already use
today called ADSB just like you do today with flight traffic control and air traffic control. So ADSB is basically kind of like a radar. Uh they're all radar systems too. So the drone is a beacon on it as well. So it emits a a a transponder just like a plane does. So from the moment the drone takes off, you
know exactly where it is, the altitude, speed, direction, and everything it's going just like a plane. That can actually be seen by ADSB by air traffic control. So the moment the drone is in the air, the FAA and anyone in air traffic control can see it. Uh so the safeguards are really in regards to
knowing where it is uh crash avoidance and other systems that take place in regards to just like planes you know there's think about how this is a very busy a flight space compared to other parts of the country. So think about how many planes are or helicopters especially in this area too are in the area in any given time. Again, it's just
about uh planes have their own crash avoidance system and ADSB and radar that they have within the plane. The drone has that as well. So, it has its own built-in crash avoidance. Plus, it admits it to the air traffic controllers as well. The software automatically comes up and alerts you and tells you, hey, there's a aircraft and tells you
what kind of aircraft and where it is and what the distance from you to it is. So, as the pilot, you can automatically decrease your altitude, land, or do what you need to do in taking a step further in regards to besides the built-in crash avoidance. Um, so I think those are all
things that will come into play. Um, but I can't speak to everybody in the future. >> Airlines have they they hallucinate. Um, is there ever something like this? I'm not sure. Uh, the word is drawn and everything's like that and sometimes
it's a marketing tool. Um, it was a hallucination through these machines of some sort. We think something that's there. >> Yeah. >> Again, it's using the, you know, stuff that's been around since the the dawn of time. Radar is is is something that's
been in like what the 1900s or I don't know whatever it was when radar was invented, but it's using stuff that's been around for quite some time. So, the radar system is what's utilizing the crash avoidance. Um, and again, AI, like you said, is a term that's around like cloud was back several years ago. everything was a cloud cloud. Now
everything's AI. Um there's AI components to this. This why it's in the name of the company. But again, it's not AI or a you know LLM or a drone thing in the back flying this on its own. Again, you're using geoloccation and GPS to say
drone take off from point A, fly to point B. Kind of think equate it to um um what is the word I'm looking for? Um you know like autopilot. So think of like autopilot. A pilot can't fly the plane as efficiently and as accurately as autopilot can because wind and all
the other things that come into place in regards to if I want to fly from point A to point B, I have to fly over there to go there if it's a certain amount of wind. So it's built in like autopilot for the drone basically in regards to taking me from point A to point B in the most efficient safest manner and it gets on scene someone manually is taking
control of it. AI makes decisions on its own. That's what makes the cosmology so persuasive >> to cut you off. I just I I this is going on a little long. So I don't >> but this isn't this is still under human
uh you as you said human. It's not just >> it's not a full AI out of the land. >> I just want to make sure it's source would be doing make sure everybody else gets a chance they want. >> There's there's always a a licensed pilot in control. They call it a remote
piloting control. >> Does anybody get possible from here? >> Did have just a question sort of a scenario. So the drones would be only implemented for a specific situation. They wouldn't just be flying over the town at all times. Just okay.
>> It's meant for a priority call, search and rescue or something. sort of hovering over South Avenue catching speeders or >> um if someone blows a red light they would immediately be able to identify that. >> Yeah.
>> Yes. I know because we we're not we don't even allow video cameras to catch people, you know. Um so I guess I guess that's that was my issue that I just want everybody to understand that it's not it's not going to be something that's just sort of hovering around in the in the sky just looking for people
doing the wrong thing. It's really going to be implemented only in the case of emergencies. >> Yes, there's a domestic call that comes in and you know those sometimes could escalate to something dangerous or there's a a structure fire or there's
you know a mass search and rescue for an elderly person who's missing or there's someone who shoplifted is hiding in a dumpster on the train tracks. Things like that. That's when the drone is going up to keep an officer safe, keep the town safe and find the bad actor. That's really what its purpose is and
only purpose. >> Okay. Okay. Quick. >> And what is this just for the police department? Is this going to be shared with other agencies or is it just police department? >> Right now it's just the police department. That's what we're phasing in
as phase one again in the future. If um you know you guys see the adoption of this, you get the data coming back from the chief saying how well it's doing, how you know well it's adopted etc. It can be implemented into utilizing it for your EMS. It could be used for fire.
Again it's it's it's all about a drones or first responders. So providing additional aid to other agencies within the town and then again it can also be used for things like the parks and recreation department. It could be used for you know the school board. It it could be used for other instances in
regards to vandalism, theft, uh security concerns, etc., things like that. But but that's not part of the the pilot program. >> Okay. And um and I know you might still have some few questions, but I know um Sean has given his information. Um so I
know I know you you would wouldn't mind if anybody else reached out. >> Okay. >> You guys welcome the card. You have the presentation. You can email, call, text, whatever you like, available at any time. >> Okay. All right. I will >> any other questions or we're good. >> Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate you
coming in >> and uh answering all of our questions. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> Okay. We will move to regular business now. Uh our report from our bur attorney, Mr. Abramson. Anything for us?
Uh nothing to report. >> Uh report from our bur administrator. >> Yes. I just wanted to report that uh if you see ordinance number 25-26 regarding body art that that originally came from approval from the planning board and earlier this year the council
as well voting body art into the code earlier this year. But this update is needed to create a mechanism for actually permitting for that. So I just want to make that distinction for everybody to understand why it's uh being included again. um as well as for fees and things like that as well. Uh
we're also we've mentioned we're looking at a shared service uh court and we're just waiting for some potential more information from partner on that and you know we hope to have that on one of the agendas in December. Okay, >> that's it.
>> And again, I just want to note um with the drone um program, the council I I believe would have to approve um a contract of sorts with with them. So, it will come before us again. >> Yeah. No, absolutely will be a contract and
we'd put whatever I think safeguards we need to put in there for >> and our attorneys obviously we talked about insurance would be looking at that as well. >> Yeah, we mentioned it to the insurance company as well just as a potential. >> All right. Um well, it looks like we had another
successful local food drive that concluded this past weekend. So, great job done by all the block ambassadors and to the thank you to the organizer, Colleen Haye, and to all those who helped her out this past weekend to organize the bags and to those who also
purchased turkeys. Um, it's a great trawood tradition that really is at the heart of what we stand for. So, thank you everybody. Uh, on December 7th, the three of the Girl Scout groups will be decorating Burrow Hall for the holidays. So, I just like to invite the council members to join me for the festivities
that day with the girls starting at 10:15. Um, and of course, I know council president uh Nuli will have more information on the upcoming treelighting uh on the 29th, but I'd like to encourage everyone to attend what I know will be a great event. Um, and I hear
there's even a special ugly sweater contest this year. So, that should be a lot of fun. Um last week, Union County Safe Streets for All Action Plan Advisory Committee met to get an update. Uh they are at the point where they will
be sending out initial recommendations on the 20 high in injury quarters that we talked about previously that they've identified throughout the county. Uh and as we said before for Garwood, the closest one is South Avenue, but it's the stretch that starts around Lincoln
Avenue continuing east to Cranford. We should be receiving those specific initial recommendations for this corridor soon. And then there will be an online community meeting on December 9th to gather feedback on them. There will be general improvements for all the corridors to address. Uh improvements
which interestingly enough uh we already include in many of our streets around town. Uh and in fact many of the Garwood safety improvements were included in this presentation as examples for everyone to learn from. So it was really great. Um there will also be improvement
recommendations specific to each individual quarter. So during the online community meeting they will do a breakout room for each quarter, go over the recommendations, hear from the public and interested stakeholders and then next steps will be to finalize those recommendations and create an
action plan. So we are still on track with the plan's timeline and we will make sure to advertise this community meeting on Garwood socials for all who want to attend. So, uh, an update on the challenge from Garden Homes, and I wish I had better
news, but after a few of these meetings, we are still very far apart. Garden Homes is still asking for more density than we need to fulfill our affordable housing obligations. And though the burrow is open to working with them and the state, uh, it does not
seem to that there's some true negotiations going on in good faith. Uh, I've said before I certainly don't like to involve Garwood in unnecessary litigation, so we don't take this lightly. However, the changes that Garwood Garden Homes is now asking for
in the plan, um, not just in density, but other specific items, setbacks, parking, things like that. It just seems like more and more is being taken with no gesture of meeting in the middle. Um, and I can't in good conscience consider
any agreement that is so detrimental to our residents. I believe that everybody up here would agree, but we are continuing on our end to try and negotiate in good faith. Uh, nobody would like to see this project come to
fruition more than me. I have been part of the negotiations on this since 2017 with the original agreement. Um, but the plan needs to work for Garwood and its future. So, we will continue making our case and sticking up for the burrow. Uh,
and I wish I could say I had a better idea of next steps or even how the rest of this process will go. However, it's a brand new process in the state. So, we have another presettlement meeting scheduled for next week and then a hearing in December. So, we will continue to insist on the lowest
possible density and continue to insist that the plan in all other areas is in the best interest for Garwin. Um, and of course, I'm happy to discuss uh that particular case in more detail or more specifics with anybody uh if
they would like to reach out to me. Um, we will move along to comments from the council. Councilwoman Bodto. >> Uh, thank you, Mayor. Just a big congratulations to Diana and Jean. Um I met them when they first opened and like you said they are just lovely. Uh
they're honest. They have such passion for what they do and really really bring the community together. So I'm really glad that they got the award. That's all for me. Thank you. >> Thank you Councilman Foley. >> Good evening everyone. Tonight was difficult for me uh because this will be
my last council meeting. My resignation will take effect on November 30th as my family and I have to move at the end of the month. This was a difficult decision, but we had to make. I wanted to make sure I said goodbye. Respect this community deserves. Serving Garwood
has been one of the greatest honors of my life. Every conversation, every doorstep, every moment spent listening and trying to help meant a lot to me. My political project has always been simple at its core and has been about helping people, building connections, and making sure no one feels alone in this
community. I hope the way I served reflected those values in a way you could feel just here. See, to the residents, thank you for trusting me, challenging, please in this community. Serving you has been one of the biggest privileges of my life. to the people in
Bur Hall and to every person who keeps this burying such as police, fire and DW and to the council fortunate to have leaders who care as you do who show up work hard yourselves
to this town and this people I'm grateful to have served alongside you. It has truly been municipal is very difficult because I truly love serving here. Though my capacity changes does not
become to support the school and should stand by his word and we'll continue to do everything I can to support God to see someone who genuinely cares about the people here. I'm just close with a thank you
serving you. Just carry that with me. Uh I just um want to say thank you, a big thank you for the work that you've done here. I know um I know you will be missed. We will miss you up here, but I know the residents will miss you as well.
um you've you've done some amazing work and through it all really I think everybody just saw that it it really was truly your heart that was in it and that's the most important thing someone up here can show. Um
you will have it's it's some big shoes to fill. That's certainly for sure. And uh I I appreciate everything you've you've put into into Garwood. So thank you. Um, moving on to Councilman Carney. >> Thank you, and thank you for your
service, Councilman Foley. Uh, I wanted to leave off my comments tonight with a welcome back to work for uh officer and if all goes well on the consent agenda a little later, uh, Sergeant uh, Greg Sanchez of our Garwood Police Department. Uh I'm thrilled to
have him back with us and I'm looking forward to seeing him uh locking those stripes soon. Uh so uh now that I'm almost as much of a short-timer here as Councilman Lazero, uh I'd like to use my time tonight to raise something for council discussion
regarding our bylaws. Uh this is an idea I've had for a while, but we've always literally we always have a ton of stuff going on and there wasn't really a convenient time to bring it up. But uh now the 2025 council only has two meetings left after this one. So now or
never. Uh tonight I'm suggesting that we amend our bylaws to require that sponsorship of legislation be explicitly stated on the agenda. So in clear English, this means that each resolution on the consent agenda would have a line added to the preamble that clearly
states which council members responsible for it. Uh in my ideal this would be the chair of the responsible subcommittee or the council president for items that are placed on the consent agenda at the recommendation of the burough administrator or the mayor. Uh it could also simply read something like
Councilman Lazero and the entire council for resolutions of support or resolutions honoring a citizen like we did tonight, promoting an employee, etc. Uh the purpose of this change is is pretty simple. Uh it's to aid the public in determining where legislation on each
agenda is originating from. Uh and I hope it would help uh better direct questions about legislation before meetings uh so that the public knows who to uh email or contact or uh during uh the public comment period. Uh I know
that even as council members, we can get a little confused at times keeping track of where a specific resolution originated. uh especially if it takes a few meetings or sometimes it could be even months. Uh in the case of things like purchases and grants and even what
we're talking about tonight with this this ordinance where it was reported on months ago, um it can be hard to keep track of for us, never mind the folks that are just watching online or come to a meeting once in a while. So, um
I'm sure it can be difficult for the public to follow as well. Um, so my point in raising this is uh if the council uh would go along with this uh I can work with Mr. Arthur, we can prepare a resolution to amend the bylaws. Um uh
that has to be passed in two consecutive meetings. It's uh something very specific to us where the bylaws require a second reading even though it's a resolution. Um I do think the change would significantly improve our our transparency and accountability. Uh but
with your permission, I wanted to hold the council and see what everybody thought. >> Yeah. Um definitely want to open it up to everybody. Um question because I know that they do this I see this obviously on the higher level state um and county.
I don't know if I've seen it on the local, but I could be wrong. I have. Do you see it in in other towns around here? Uh >> I've seen it not in this county. I have seen it in the borrow form in other counties. Okay. And obviously a lot of what goes on our
consent agenda is what we call, you know, paperwork. It's, you know, things from our CFO to, you know, she's got to check off as she's going through her year and and we have to do each year. And so what
things like that? What do what do are you thinking it would be? I mean using that example it should come from the finance chair or the council president. >> Okay. So you would anything like finance would be financed to anything related to like the ones we have
um from the consent agenda today with >> if the the tax overpayment ones should come from either yeah >> the finance chair or from the council president when the agenda is set. >> Okay. All right. Um this is just questions I had. I want to open it up.
you. So I I guess my question would be um council uh is you know is there given the given the nature of our local municipality and how some of the you know some of the resolutions
may not necessarily fit into a particular chair of that particular field. Um, is there is this does this get more honorous to complete because it's like trying to figure out who it fits into or
is it does it is it really helpful um for people to you know cuz I guess my question would be like how useful is it to the public to know specifically who proposed it when in reality a lot of the times the proposals
of those resolutions and ordinances are sort through an amalgorithm of like emails. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it's like, hey, you know, does everybody agree with this? And then it's like basically that committee. So I mean, do you want it by committee? Do you want it? Like I just I
I guess I'm just thinking about like I just don't want it to be extra paperwork when essentially a lot of that information could obviously be just said that this was produced by you know this a committee meeting or was
produced through an email chain. So I I see I'm not denying that. I just I just don't want it to be more honorous for everyone involved. That's all. I I mean I think you kind of answered it as you were you were speaking like if it came from an email chain or whatever else
then it belongs to whichever committee w was discussing it. Um and uh in the case of something that's got to be placed either by the by the front office or by one of our professionals um that would should filter through the
council president. That's actually one of their listed functions uh with the agenda setting. So I if anything it would be maybe adding a little bit of work to the to the clerk but I don't think it would be particularly difficult to keep track of. And I also think even
for us up here I mean I've come in and sat down and and been like oh where did this come from? So like knowing which council member to for even us to direct a question to I think would be would be useful and it would also assist the
public in asking questions about how and why. >> Anybody else have any comments, questions? >> I can't see why it's a bad idea. It makes perfect sense. I mean I I can see where it would be a
little bit more. I would see that aspect of it. >> What do you think, Cler? Think that um it would it would help to clarify the consent agenda. >> I don't want to blindside the clerk when she she when she goes, but she's not to defend herself.
>> I mean, obviously I I it's one of those things that maybe gets easier as you go and you then >> I think it might be a little bit of just getting used to it and obviously whatever we do it wouldn't take effect until next year anyway. So, we'd have a little bit of time to to prepare for it.
>> Anybody else? >> Is this something we want uh to move ahead with then? I can't speak for you guys. >> You know, obviously since I'm not going to be here, so like so I'm just asking more questions than anything. So to to
give my recommendation. So, um, >> one of us has to deal with this next year. >> In general, like I I I generally think it sounds like it would be helpful. I just want to make sure that it's not overly ownorous to to the our burough officials and and you know, so
ultimately if it if it is um not overly ownorous, it's not too difficult for them to do such a thing to categorize which you know, committee it comes from. I I you know on a principible basis I think it's a good idea. >> Well and I also think like I'm I might
be overly generalizing like any council member can put forth a resolution for anything they want whether they serve on the committee or not. So you you could also have a situation uh you know a couple times a year we do resolutions asking the legislature to do something
or asking the county to do something like you know that could be placed if it was at my request it it wouldn't have come from a committee. It's and that's something that you would then have during your reports and your discussion and even if it were to be deleted and and voted on separately like you have
all those other methods for kind of sussing it out. But I was saying as a general rule, I'd say probably 80 to 90% of your consent agenda is coming out of committee or from a professional asking us or the mayor asking us to to do
something. >> Just only thing I not that it's a bad thing. The only thing I would think is that since most of them are procedural, do we want it to be I guess that's in our bylaws. It would be coming from the council president because they do agenda setting, but it's really coming from our
bar administrators or C >> just only council members can agenda things. So, >> well, um I my problem is though that we have the two and I kind of think everybody might
want to see what it looks like. Um, so it might I'm wondering if this might not be something we can vote on until January, but um >> Oh, I mean we can you can always vote it down. Like it'll be I we can certainly I I
would have to work with Mr. Arthur. I'm certainly get this out by email before the next agenda for the council to review. >> Okay, then let's do that. Let's work If you could work with Mr. Arthur on getting the wording together. >> Absolutely.
>> So that Mr. Arthur, you could send it to the council so they um are able to give feedback. >> And I do want to engage with the with the actual clerk as well because this is going to be poor poor Patricia. >> I thought I thought she was going to be here.
>> Can I just see a copy of it as well? You don't >> it's going to loop you in. >> Yeah. >> Something in and then prevent you from saying adding something during the meeting. Right. >> Then >> Right. It's not written correctly. >> I get what you're saying. Although I'm generally loathed to motion from the
floor. You want to have the option available, >> right? But every once in a blue moon, something has to come in last minute. So, we want to make sure we're not >> It would still have to then it's going to be it's going to be the council president because >> I guess >> Yeah. Maybe in the absence of a sponsor
ahead of time, it's really whoever motions for it that's sponsoring it. Something like that. >> Yeah. If if we're doing it from the floor, it would have to be that way when you do the minutes. >> Yeah. Let's get the wording. Let's get it sent around. Let's get feedback and then see
if anything needs to be adjusted before the next meeting before it would come on for a vote. Good. Just so we don't have to go back and forth if we don't have to. >> Okay. I'll work with everybody to get that out. And um I think this is still my council
comments, so that's all for me. Okay. Thanks. >> All right. Councilman Lazero. Um, I just want to thank you, Councilman Foley, for your service. Um, it's been an honor serving with you these last couple of years and um, I wish you the best in
your new home. That's it. >> Thank you, Councilman. Oh, sorry, Council President Ny. >> And I'll just echo that. Thank you so much, Councilman Foley. It's been a pleasure working with you, and I wish you the best in whatever your future brings you.
Thank you. Okay, minutes. Mr. Arthur. of the regular meeting of the member council held November 6, 2025. >> Do I have a motion to accept the regular meaning meeting minutes as >> uh all in favor?
Opposed? Okay. Um we have one introduction uh ordinance tonight. Mr. Arthur, can you read uh ordinance 25-26 by title only? Number 25-26, an ordinance amending the B of Garland code by creating chapter 112 entitled
body art tattooing and related services. >> Uh do I have a motion to introduce this ordinance? >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> Roll call, please. >> Council, >> I. >> Councilman Fen, >> I. >> Councilman Carney, I. >> Councilman Lazera,
>> I. Council President Moldy, >> I. >> Okay, standing reports. Finance. Councilman Foley >> tonight. >> Fire. Councilman Lazero. >> Thank you. There were 17 calls for service in October to the year to date of 198 calls for service. And from this
past month, that included five mutual aid assist, four fire alarms, one gas, one structure f, one oil spill, and one power line amongst other calls. This month's training consisted of search and rescue, specifically on how to locate an infant in a crisis situation. In
addition to this month's training, eight firefighters have completed water rescue operations training and are now certified at the operations level designation. Also, six firefighters have completed water rescue technician training and are now certified to the technician level. And we'll now be
moving on to the vote training certifications. And that's all for my report. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Um, I have something from Councilman Padusniaak for community development. I said my apologies for being unable to come tonight, but despite my absence, I
wanted to make sure residents were aware that the Garwood Rev New Jersey committee uh is hard at work. We have a tentative calendar of events now up on our Facebook page, Garwood Rev 250 group. Uh this includes bus trips, a scavenger hunt, a potential
Revolutionary War reenactment, and much else. We will continue to update the calendar as we confirm more activity, so please check diligently. Most excitingly, we have our first fundraiser coming this Sunday, November 23rd, from 1 to 3 at Crossroads. Please
join us for Thanksgiving trivia. Teams may be two, four, or six people. There will be prizes, and all proceeds go to ensuring that we can fund many of our great activities we hope to host over the next eight months. Tickets are $15 and may be purchased
through a link accessible on our Facebook page. So, hope to see you there. If you have any questions, please send me an email at cpadusniaakarwood.org. Though, please be patient as I am currently experiencing some issues with the Microsoft Authenticator app. So,
hopefully that will be resolved soon. Um, thank you, Councilman Padusniaak. Uh, public works Councilwoman Berto. Thank you, Mayor. I don't official report just a few dates. Um the bag leaf pickup on the north side will be the
week of November 17th and December 1st. The south side the week of November 24th. Uh the garbage pickup for Thanksgiving week is the southside November 24th. The north side November 25th. Please remember DPW will be closed
on Thursday, November 27th and November 28th in observance of Thanksgiving. That's it for me. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Police Councilman Carney. Uh, thank you, mayor. Um, coming out of committee tonight with a recommendation to modify
the burrow code via ordinance regarding parking in the JFK Plaza lot. Uh, this one has been ready to go since the last council meeting. Uh, but with our compressed schedule this month, I didn't have the time to report on it and and get it agenda tonight. Um, it's a minor
overall change that would enable parking for up to 10 consecutive hours in that zone. uh which is exactly how the southside municipal lot at Willow and Center works for us uh right now. Uh going back about two months ago, the police assigned a new zone number uh to
distinguish between parking payments for spots on uh North Avenue and those within uh JFK Plaza. Uh the chief of police has been investigating this issue on behalf of the committee since the summer. Uh and the general finding is that there are many times with plenty of
open parking spots. Uh when the police committee established the original zones and plans uh for this back in 2023, uh JFK was always fully occupied every day. Uh seeing an overall decline in use, which is continuing through 2025,
uh suggests that many train commuters uh weren't applying for paying for the the monthly permits uh and they were just parking there anyway. Uh the idea here is to make this adjustment now and then have the police and our parking enforcement person continue monitoring
this usage closely uh with the committee next year following up starting in the second quarter of 26. Uh next year's council may need to adjust this again if the lot suddenly uh fills up or we're getting business complaints that there's
nowhere to park. Uh or we might want to after that data comes in look at changes to the monthly permitting or just how we allocate spaces over there in general. Uh such as adding additional zones, different rules, monthly payment options, etc. It's uh it'll be for next
year's council, but I just kind of want to fix this one piece of where it's not being fully utilized as we speak. Um, I uh I also we've been kicking aroundation
on ebikes uh in committee. Uh I know there's probably some recommendations uh floating around out there from the GIFs about them. Um the the chief and I spoke about this right before the meeting. Um we don't have anything that's going to be ready to go this year. Um, but it is
something that we're we're keeping a close eye on and I would pass on to whoever the next uh police commissioner is going to be. So, uh, it's certainly something that we can revisit or next year's council can revisit with the chief uh, if the legislature doesn't act in this session that they have coming up
to to codify it uh, statewide. That's all I have. >> Okay. Yes. Um, I'm hoping the legislature does. As I've mentioned before, it's it's a difficult thing to legislate when it's going from one community into another because you want
to make sure everybody's consistent. So, we have ebikers coming from Cranford, cutting through Garwood, going into Westfield, or vice versa, and everybody needs to kind of be on the same page enforcement wise. So, um, it's difficult to do that municipality by municipality.
There are some things that I've said that I would like our specific municipality to do and look at, including um possibly an, you know, any sort of banning in our wreck complex. Um just because I I have seen a concern
there. Um but hopefully the legislature takes this up. Um but I would like in >> we could reiterate um even when the legislature takes it up we can certainly re restriction like that's what I'm hoping if we get our essential structure from
the state and that way we're all on the same page in in various communities and then we can modify it for each individual municipality. So, I'm okay holding off to the new year and given that it's cold and and you know the uptick uh tends to happen in the spring,
I would just be everything taken care of before the spring. But >> I don't want anybody to think that we just >> correct >> pushed it aside. It's beenive discussion >> been talking about with our GIF and and the chief and Mr. Arthur. So, um it something is coming. Yes. But, um I would like to wait a little bit to the
new year as you said. Um, in terms of the parking, um, I'm okay with it as I I had talked to Councilman Carney about this a few months ago and I wanted to just have a few months of data with the new um, zone uh, so that Chief Pidy
could to take a look at um, that sort of data. Chief, do you mind coming and and speaking a little bit? So, I just want to So, you're seeing that it's it's underused in terms of you're seeing the what's who's paying for the meters and it's it's not full. >> Even when you drive up there, there's
tons of empty spots all the time. Most of those businesses also run in uh the Taylor shop, the pawn shop. >> Yeah. And those are to the other side. Yeah. >> And even those are more like in the morning morning hours. Um it it might attract more people that want to go to the city for the day. you know, if they
could park for 10 hours, they could jump on the train and come back, not have to worry about it. >> Um, you know, it's it's kind of like a trial and error, I guess. >> Yeah, >> we've never had it before. So, you know, I don't think it hurts to do it to give people the opportunity to see if that'll attract more people to, >> you know,
>> right? I mean, if spaces are open, if we're seeing from the data that spaces are open, that there's not Yes. >> a lot of users on the Park mobile during the day, then I think it's a worthwhile thing to try. So, >> I mean, the the data is almost a lack of data and where we're just we're not
seeing that many >> payments. Yeah. Okay. All right. Um, then we'll get working on it for the next meeting. All right. Thank you, Councilman. Uh, community engagement. Council President Nuli.
>> Yes. Thank you. So, I'm just going to make a few reminders for um some recreation things that are going on. We've got youth wreck basketball. There are only a few weeks left before basketball practices will start. Teams are being created now, so don't miss out on the season. Register at
garwoodrec.com. The cost is $90 for residents, and the program is open for grades 1 through 8. Adult ceramics, the next class is this Wednesday, November 19th. We need four more people to register, so let's all sign up. The
December class will be held on Wednesday, December 10th. Canvas painting. Enjoy a night out, socialize, and paint a masterpiece on canvas to take home. This class takes place on Wednesday, December 3rd. Cheer and dance courts is a new program
and it's taking place inside the rec center starting in January on Saturdays and is open to ages 3 through 8. Registration at garwoodre.com. And these are the important things to remember. Now, we have all of these wonderful events coming up. The Garwood
Recreation Committee is offering us a um a cornucopia of events. The Christmas tree lighting on Saturday, November 29th from 3:30 to 5:30 at Burough Hall. This event is sponsored by Vermela at Garwood Station, the Union County Board of
County Commissioners and Dunkin Donuts. Bring your appetites. There will be food trucks including Box Mobile Catering, Mexi Boys, Hudson Willow Coffee, Kelbasa, and more. and a DJ will be spinning tunes. There will be performances by the celebration singers
and the Garwood Lincoln School Chorus. Wear your ugliest holiday sweater to the event for the ugly sweater contest. There will be free hot chocolate and baked goods, and a special guest, Santa Claus, will be making an appearance. Many Garwood organizations will be at
the event representing the Garwood Police Department and Girl Scout Troop 41290 will be collecting donations unwrapped toys for Toys for Tots. The family skate night will take place that same night on Saturday, November
29th from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. at Warreno skating rink. This is free and open to Garwood residents. Please pre-register by visiting garwoodrec.com. Santa's mailbox. Garwood's children are again invited to drop a letter into Santa's mailbox by December 20th to
receive a reply by Christmas. Santa's mailbox will be located at the Garwood Public Library starting December 1st. The holiday house decorating contest is um uh the chance to win a gift card and you can enter by um uh clicking on the
link into the contest on Garwood Facebook recreation page. The deadline will be December 20th. The Manura lighting will take place on Tuesday, December 16th from 7 to 8:00 p.m. at Burrow Hall. This event is sponsored by Vermela at Garwood Station and
Shopright. There will be performances by the Garwood Lincoln School Chorus, free cer, and donuts for all attendees. So, I hope everyone will join us. That's all for my report. Love the holidays. Okay. Library Councilman Lazero.
>> Thank you, Mayor. So, some of the upcoming events at the library include from December 2nd through December 20th, you can take your holiday picture at the do-it-yourself holiday photo station, complete with a festive backdrop and a cardboard Santa. And goodie bags for
kids are available while supplies last. On December 2nd, 9th, 16th at 3:30 p.m., there's a program called Code Forward, which offers middle school students the opportunity to learn computer programming languages such as Java, Python, and more. on December 9th at 3
pm and December 16th uh at 3 pm. There's a kids craft for uh program as well as the adult crafts program. You can pick up your supplies and instructions for the craft. Registration is required and uh craft kits are limited to 15 participants per age group. Sign up on
the libraries website calendar or by phone. And on December 11th at 3 p.m. there's a program called Build a Robot with the Brooklyn Robot Foundry. It's a combination of engineering and crafts. Students can take their robots home and this is for students in second to fourth
grade and there's a limit of 10. The library will be closed starting Wednesday, November 26th at 4:30 p.m. and then reopen on Friday, November 28th for Thanksgiving. That's all for my report. >> Thank you. Um, school board Councilman Carney.
>> Uh, thank you, Mayor. The next Scarwood Port of Ed meeting is tomorrow, November 18th. >> Okay. Um, for seniors, just a note on our meetings. We have our next meeting this Thursday at 12 PM at the Knights of Columbus. Our holiday party is December
3rd at the Westwood, followed by the last senior meeting of the year on December 18th. Uh, board uh, sorry, small business Councilman Carney. >> Uh, Board of Health, Councilman Foley. Planning Board, Councilman Carney. Uh
the next scheduled meeting for the Garwood Planning Board is on December 10th and I'm told we'll have multiple applications on. So uh plan on plan on being at this one. >> Okay. Um we're moving to public comment. If there's anyone in the audience who
wishes to address the council, please step to the microphone, state your full name and address, and please limit your comments to five minutes. >> Good evening. um Evelyn Archable 520 Spruce Avenue Garwood in 2024 at the joy
of because I have a two family house that I had to um give my cert annual certificate of liability insurance registration. So I paid February in 2024 and for this year I paid January 2025.
So and I did mention at the very beginning because there was confusion. I think a lot of people had the confusion what they had to actually give and it wasn't a court certificate and then no one knew what kind of a court well we got that all straightened. It wasn't just me that was confused. There were a lot of people in town because they were bringing copies of their certificates. I
had a letter from my insurance saying it wasn't good the court certificate. >> Well, I did mention at that time to I forget who I was talking to whoever was in charge. I don't um administrator maybe at the time in 2024 that the
insurance policy doesn't match up with because my insurance expires in August. Don't worry about it. Da da da da. Well, guess what? I got today um the other day an email saying that I am owing, you know, I have to send it in and I got to pay another $25. And I said, "No, I
already registered for this year." And cuz come because now you guys have new software that is going to match up. So the certificate of liability will be correct and that makes more sense. But it that means I I don't mind paying, you
know, for to give this reg. I have my form. I got it from my insurance agent. But I'll be darn if I'm going to pay in August again. That's like three annual payments in for two years. because I should be paying once in 2025
and once in 2026, but they're telling me because my insurance expired in August. I said, 'Well, I'm aware of that and so were you. And I don't, the woman I was talking to, who wasn't personally, the town should be aware of that because this is how you guys set up the system. whoever set it up, they should have, you
know, said, "Okay, the first year when they when it was all um experimental, so to speak, how you were starting out, they should have turned around and said, "Okay, we want you. Here's your insurance now, and then when it becomes due to reactivate it. It should have been on your insurance
thing." I am not paying I know it's only $25, but I refuse to pay two annual fees in one year. And if I wait, she said, "Well, you can pay it in January." I said, "Yes, but what happens in August? I'm going to have to pay it again." No, there's something wrong. I should just be able to give my form and I want an
explanation or a qu answer of am I supposed and and it's not just me. It's a lot of people in town that's going to affect because nobody's who's very few people's um house insurance expires on January 1st. So, are we going to be collecting money twice from people?
$25 is not a lot of money in today's day and age, but I refuse to pay two annual fees in one year. So, I'm either going to be paying it twice in 2025 or twice in 2026 if I wait till January. I just bring my form. I I don't have it with me. I left it home. But, you know,
I have last year's, you know, crazy annual certificate means once a year. And she's telling me there's processing fees. the lady I talked with at the office. I said, "Mhm, but you already got my thing this year." And just because you had you have a new system now that's going to be make everything
correct, I shouldn't have to pay for something that you're now implementing. And no, nor should anybody else in this town be paying twice. I mean, as it is, I mean, I have a small two family house. I know I have the gentleman, the kid that lives upstairs, and I use the word kid. I've known him since this big.
Technically, he calls me mom. I'm he's not my son, so I register him as a tenant as I should correctly, but I know there's people in town who who are collecting rents from people in their own family because it's family. They don't have to go through all this, nor do they have to register their two
family and pay the was it $200 fee or whatever 125, whatever it was. I only had to pay for one apartment because I live in downstairs. It's a lot of money for some people. you know, we have senior, especially seniors who own two families who don't have, you know, who
don't have a steady income. But this $25, it's a small amount of this. You know, you guys got to figure this out. But I want an answer. I'm not paying twice. You're going to I'm I'm really I'm just really annoyed. I don't want to be paying something twice when it's an
annual fee. So, that's all I have to say. And I would like an answer. The last time I came and you guys weren't here, I don't think anybody was on counsel. I asked a question and I am still waiting and every time I see Mr. Lombardo and lady that I asked the question I've never gotten an answer. So
I would like an answer like what are we doing with this because because you guys got to figure it out because I can assure you I'm not going to be the only one complaining. Going to have a lot of responsive people and the $25 like I said not a lot of money but it's money that I shouldn't have to pay twice.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. We answer everything at the end. So, thank you. >> Hi, John Bartel, 231 Hemlock Avenue. Uh, just two quick points. The first was on the proposed bylaw change. I don't understand what the rush is. I I sensed
I'm not a mind readader, but an underwhelming lukewarm perception to it might be a great idea, but if I I'm losing track. I think we're going to have three new council members come January. Now, uh why not wait until January and just think this through? Uh,
when I hear extra work on the admin side, that is that makes me cringe. It might be a great idea. Anything we can do to clarify the consent agenda, I'm I'm all for, but uh why are you trying to rush it through in the last two meetings of the year? But that wasn't why I ran over here tonight. I ran over
tonight to ask where are you going? What's what's the hurry? I heard one of the most interesting presentations here. I I I forgot to even turn into the meeting until about half hour into it. One of the most interesting presentations on the
proposed drone uh program and you cut council questions short. I get why you don't want to hear from us for more than 5 minutes. But council members said, "I have more questions. I'll wait and let everyone ask their questions." Or I kind of felt people got shut. This is I'm not
a proponent or an opponent. I'm learning from this as I think most of you are, but I'm I'm just flumixed. There are civil liberties and evidentiary and privacy and data concerns and all sort
and technology and safety, all kinds of stuff, questions that are legitimate and should be asked and answered while you had the the professional here. Not, you know, drop them an email and do it on the public record. We're going to be out of here, you know, within an hour tonight, hour and a half. Where you got
to be for some of you, it's even your last meeting. Take the time and do things right. Uh and uh now try to rush something like this through. Again, it might be a a a good idea. But I think if you all have questions, think about what
the rest of the community that may be uh looking into this uh may have as well. So, please don't cut each other short. It's okay you cut somebody like me short. you know, you don't hear from me to begin with, but please listen to each other and, you know, get things on the record and and use and learn. You know,
that that's how you have wise guidance and leadership. You learn stuff. So, uh I I'm flumxed as to why that discussion would be cut short. Uh these meetings aren't that long to begin with. And uh uh uh this is a rhetorical question. I don't need an answer unless you really
want to tell me where you're in a hurry to go to. That's fine. But uh please please please don't cut constructive discussion like that short. Thanks. >> Is there anybody else who wishes to address the mayor and council? >> Good evening, mayor, ladies and
gentlemen of the council. Bruce Patterson, 325 Willow Avenue. Uh just thank you very very much Councilman Foley for your service. Um I mean what comes to mind is you were able to push the that LED light on South Avenue for those to cross which which is a good
idea I take it. Uh and and I'll tell you right now you were always the best dressed council person dressed to the nines all this time. So but anyway sorry that you're uh leaving. Um segue into that. Um, you know, we're we're now
going to be or the council is now going to have a decision of who to replace uh Councilman Carney and Councilman Foley. And uh I guess if you could explain to the public what that process is. And as Mr. Barlick mentioned, we're actually
going to have three new members uh coming up on 2026. Uh one of them is sitting here. Um, way back in uh way back when Mayor Kotrachi was here, I I was always floating the idea that there's a possibility that we could have
like a super majority of women up here, which we do have that opportunity where Chase would be the only male. So, I don't know. It's something to think about. It'd be interesting to see uh women in control of our town. uh the parking tickets that I asked last
time uh you know for the record uh for transparency you said go talk to the chief which I did and and I guess now I'm here to actually uh bring forth a transparency of the parking tickets. I mean, there was 184, this is the chief told me this last time, there's 184
parking tickets given out. 153 of them are in regards to the uh parking act on the north and the south side. Uh I didn't hear motor vehicle stops, but I guess that's once a month thing. But I mean, boiling down uh with the police
and and I guess this has to do with uh concerns that Mr. Barley brought up about the drone, but I mean right now we're giving out uh motor vehicle stops, we're doing about 15 a day and parking tickets, we're doing about six a day. Uh I don't know if that's a lot or a
little, but it's just numbers uh to consider. Uh speaking of the the drone, I I do have a a question about privacy, which Mr. Barlick brought up that, you know, when it's flying, I I would assume the uh camera is on all the time and
it's going to be flying over people's backyards and there's a privacy concern. I'm just wondering how much of that is actually going to be retained as part of the evidence of whatever uh case would be coming forth. Uh the paper board, uh thank you very much. You uh talked about
a little bit. You did mention that there's going to be a court case uh in December. Uh could you just give us a date on that? And also is the public uh are they allowed to go to that uh hearing?
Uh let's see what else we have. Uh I guess you're sooner or later you're going to mention uh that the council uh room is also a heating center if uh somebody's boiler breaks. Right now we're going into the cold weather. Uh we also have
yeah this tattoo ordinance that's coming up. I'm just wondering I I heard uh the BA talk about permitting. I'm just wondering I obviously our zoning uses are going to be changing. So uh I guess this is going to be a longer
process than just uh putting an ordinance on and uh voting on it. I guess you could explain that a little further if you the attorney is so want to explain it. Uh, also the uh
well the bulleten board is that >> you have 30 seconds. >> 30 seconds. >> Yep. >> But anyway, the bullet board is that still broken? I I know you guys were uh discussing about the uh outdated software. So I'm just wondering what you
guys are doing about it. So I guess that's it. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Is there anybody else who wishes to address the mayor and council? >> Um good evening. Um my name is Allison Menor. I'm the owner operator of Lost
and Found Tattoo Studio in Cranford where I specialize in paramedical tattooing and body art. Um, in 2017, I was a tenant with a lease at 40 North Avenue in Garwood. Um, I aspired to purchase that property. Um, I really love that building. Um, and I wanted to
invest long-term in the burrow. Uh, I'm here tonight because Garwood is introducing a new body art amendment and I'm glad to see this progress. Um, but I need to speak about the harm that I experienced in 2017 due to how three of
my zoning zoning board applications were handled. My applications were not just denied, they were mishandled because of a built-in conflict of interest. The same individual served as both zoning officer and burough planner. This meant
he could block my applications as zoning officer and then affirm his actions without any checks and balances and then bill my escrow account through his private planning firm as burough planner. This occurred twice. The first
issue arose when he withheld from me the actual reason my use variance application would be denied, a supposed lack of parking. He withheld that information until the night of the hearing was standing right here. By then, I had already paid the $900
application fee. I hired a lawyer, a professional planner. I spent thousands preparing testimony without being told the real issue. After the denial, I was then build an additional $700 by the burough planner's private firm, which
consumed my $500 escrow. I walked away devastated. Literally, I was crying right here. But another Garwood property owner who had witnessed the hearing reached out to me and offered a commercial space with ample parking. So,
I tried again before I could even submit the second application. The clerk first told me I had to pay an outstanding balance to the burough planner for his services related to the first application on top of a new 900 $900
application fee and an increased escrow of $1,500. That application was then repeatedly stalled for near for nearly the entire 30-day review window. Each time I was told it was deficient for reasons that
were simply not true, including being told a property owner's signature was missing when it was clearly present. Each delay reset the FOP, making it impossible for the application to move forward. While waiting, I attended a planning
board meeting and pleaded during the public comment. One board member stated, "She's right." But then the chairman told them that they could not help me uh without an application in front of them and that was the problem. I then filed a request for a planning board
interpretation that cost $500 because I wanted to show the planning board that my application should be treated the same as the permanent cosmetics business that the town already impro approved. Because of this clear bias that I
experienced, I requested a neutral reviewer. Instead, the zoning officer appointed his own business partner to appear in his place. The burough code states, and this is a quote from the town code, if an alternate is required,
if an alternate is required, it is at the expense of the burrow. Nonetheless, another $340 was taken from my escrow to pay his business partner. Meanwhile, when the permanent cosmetics business requested a planning board
interpretation, she was approved and the town did not collect one single dollar of escrow from her. We held the same credentials from the American Academy of Micropigmentation. The difference in treatment is undeniable.
Ultimately, I was forced to abandon my e efforts in Garwood. Cranford approved me to open the first body art establishment in this cluster of towns and my business now thrives next door. This shows the problem was never my business model. It was the way my applications were handled
by someone operating in two conflicting roles. And now that Garwood is updating its ordinances and may be making room for body art establishments, the burrow has an opportunity to acknowledge what occurred. Allowing one person to
function as both gatekeeper and biller caused me real financial loss and emotional harm. So I'm asking the council for two things is a formal acknowledgement that my applications were mishandled due to zoning officer borrow planner conflict of interest and
lack of transparency and I would like to ask for reimbursement of the fees I paid including planning charges and interpretation fees these costs sorry I'm sorry I was not planning these costs came from a process that was
not fair. It was not neutral and was not consistent with good governance. And I support Garwood's growth and modernization, but fairness matters and transparency matters. And acknowledging what went wrong is how we ensure no future applicant experiences what I did.
Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And I have here the two certifications. They're exact from my certification and the permanent cosmetic certification from the same place. I don't know who I get to. I don't even
mean this. Okay. Thank you. I'm really embarrassed. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Does anybody else wish to address the mayor and council? Okay. Um,
seeing none, can I have a motion to close public comment? >> So moved. Second. >> All in favor? >> Opposed? Okay. Uh, Miss Mel, I want to thank you for coming. I I see how uh
emotional this is for you. I really do. I see how frustrated you are. it it's obvious um that this is something that um means a lot to you and and is frustrating you greatly. Um and I know we've talked about this uh ourselves in
my office. Um but it's unfortunately not something the body of our of the council can weigh in on in terms of a case from 2016 2017. It's also that just we we don't make
those kinds of decisions. We don't have the option to go back and and remedy a decision that the planning board made or what occurred then. Um you know, it's something that your your legal representation at the time. Um it could
have pursued or or you have that right to at at this point to look into, but unfortunately it's just it's not in the realm of the body of the council. Um I and as you said I am glad that the planning board and our council is taking
these steps now uh to move forward with these sort of businesses or for you or anybody else who wishes to come into Garwood to do that. Um and it goes along to actually Mr. Patterson's question um he had some question about the zoning.
This particular ordinance uh isn't changing the zoning. We already approved that ordinance. It came from the planning board recommendation and that was approved earlier in the year. But because tattoo shops are overseen um by
the board of health, this ordinance uh merely goes over that inspection and the permitting fees. We had nothing on the books because of that. Like if a restaurant comes in, there's things they need to do. That's what this ordinance does. Um, and it was just it had to come
after we approved the use of that through uh previous code this year. Um, but again, Miss Menor, um, you know, I I I wish there was something else I could say to address it, but it's just not something a council can do. So, um, but
thank you for for sharing. Um, going back to Mr. Patterson's other questions. Um, the bulletin board, I don't believe it's broken, per se. It's just not, it doesn't work very well. The software is
very old and it is very difficult to use. Um, and if you even look at the board, uh, the pixels are out, things like that. It's, if we want to do a board, it's going to have to be replaced. Um, there's just kind of no
two ways about it. But again, that's a capital project that costs money and would have to be something that the council would have to decide on during budget season if they want to pursue. Um, so if you're an advocate, feel free to go ahead and and put that request in
and the council can uh take that into consideration. Um, the paper board hearing in December, it's hard to it isn't open to the public. Um, and it when we say hearing, it's difficult because it's not actually
a court case. It's it's but they call it hearings, but this isn't actual court. Um, I it's just a process that the the state is adhering to with this. So, I apologize for saying hearing. That's
what they call it. It's it's more of meetings. Um, but eventually it does go to a what they're they call the Mount Laurel judge. Um, and again, I don't even know when that decision comes down what our next steps could be if we don't
agree with it, if there's an appeal. everything is kind of new and I think uh we're going to see as we go along unfortunately as as this process you know sees itself through um
the uh uh the process for replacement of our council members um the party that the council person um belongs to uh we'll put forth three
uh three names and then the council will vote for them. They have to do that within the names have to be in within 15 days of the resignation date and then the appointment needs to be within 30 days of the resignation date. So you will see that next month. Um,
and the backyard vision, the backyard that the the drones do. I mean, it's it's sort of I would assume like body cam footage, whatever isn't necessary for evidence is not kept, but um,
you know, go going to Mr. Bartlick's comment about why did I I didn't mean to cut everybody anybody short. It's just that the presentation was going on and this is not the only time that this will be discussed and honestly a lot some they had he had answered a lot of the
data questions already. I kind of felt like we were going over them again but it I think a lot of those answers will the council will need to see them in sort of the the agreement that comes up. We will have to see with the
agreement how that plays out, how how it's those protections are included in that and how the protections are included in the SOPs that our police department will be coming up with. Those answers will be found in that and I think it'll be a lot easier for the
council to see uh and provide their feedback and give their opinions on them at that point. So, wasn't trying to rush it through. Um I think I have very long conversations up here. Sometimes I get accused of letting them go too long. Um
but I I just in that particular instance I just felt like you know that data issue which I think we all have that question about. I think it was comprehensively answered at this point and then we will see and have that further discussion again when it comes
back to the council. Um, and Chief, you can tell me if I'm wrong about any drone footage that's gotten that isn't a part of the actual call, but I assume it's like any sort of body cam footage. It would be dealt with >> be redacted as as needed and we'll have
to check, you know, to see who who else has SOPs out already and what they do in regards to all that stuff, >> right? And so that questions like that would h would be addressed in those >> and it might be moving so fast that it might not even pick anything up. Um, that's all stuff that, you know, we have to look into before implementing this
this whole program. Maybe it just doesn't turn on until they get to that location. Um, there could be different settings and they can probably tailor it to us. Well, Chief, what I was also thinking of is when I kept referencing the AG guideline. Um, you know, there's there's provisions in place for what's
we call it special privacy in law enforcement, and there's a number of reasons why we can assert that, like if there's uh incidental footage of an involved juvenile. Um, I I've even I I handle some of these at at my day job.
We've we've redacted uh faces of just people who were on the street when an incident happened and somebody was arrested. So, there there should be SOPs in place. I just I think everybody up here and me with my councilman hat on instead of my cop hat were trying to do
our due diligence to make sure that those protections would be in place and you know we'll have the opportunity to to review uh this agreement before um this council or next year's council votes on it. Um I I think we should be able to balance all that. I I think it's
kind of like the same as if an officer's on a car stop in front of the school and then it's recess time and there's 30 kids outside. You know, they have to go through and they have to redact all the necessary items to be within the attorney general guidelines and everything else. >> Okay. >> So, it's not somebody's not just going
to request it, it's going to get sent out. Everything everything is >> always reviewed first. Yeah. >> Just want to mention that it's not there yet. Um it's a very fast evolving technology. But what makes AI AI is it's tech that decides for you. You can't a
hammer can't decide the hammer. Um a knife can't decide the cut. The person does it. What makes something AI is it does it the decision making itself without human input. So look, it's not there now, but it's something to think about years down the line because that's
the basis of it. So thank you. >> Correct. And I'll just say though that this isn't something that's being implemented without human oversight. It's it's similar to when we talked about body cams and things like that. We still have our department at the
controls. So it's it it's not just putting into chat GPT, you know, do and and it comes up. It we do at and yes, maybe in 10 years there wouldn't be, but maybe it wouldn't be something we would approve again. Councilman, if we ever get to the point where I feel like the
AI is making the decision and not the cop, I'll be the first one spoken about it, >> right? This isn't something I would just let the and even the the third vendor do is something that I would only feel comfortable with with oversight from our department, >> but Okay. Thank you, Chief. Um, and I
think that's all of the questions, right, except for Mrs. Archabald. So, Mrs. Archable. Um I have to be honest. I don't think I'll be able to answer your question tonight because I really will have to go and look into this with you and talk to our um officer and Mr.
Arthur, but we will do that. Um I certainly don't want >> I don't want to interrupt, but I if I'm reading the code correctly, it says that if you're registering in January and February, it's $25 and and anything after March 1st, it's 50. >> Right. Late. Yeah. That's the late fee.
>> It doesn't say a late fee. It just says if you're registering after March for >> Right. But that's essentially for, you know, created as a late fee. But what I think what Mrs. Archabald is saying is like her expiration wasn't lining up and so I I understand what you're saying. I
I don't want residents to pay twice. Um I the it wasn't lining up with the software and so it was it's going to charge her twice. Um and and and the pro and the issue is is that this is a state
mandate that came out. We kind of had to get going with it and we put it all together and it's new to to our front office. But then also this year we are implementing software so that people can do it online now and and it's it's keeps
track of everything online. It's it's much more efficient for both the resident and the office, but there might be some kinks involved as we go through this that we're going to have to figure out. Um, and we will we'll figure them out and see what we can do. Like I said,
I don't want to charge anybody twice, but we will. We're You have Do you have additional information that I >> I think I have a little bit of an explanation. We should talk about this that my office is here and I'm here every day if you want to come talk to me. I came back after you left and I they
told me we're here. Okay. Um but I'd be happy to talk to you. Just let me know. Um but way of looking at it is if your expiration's in August, not paying until January, it's covering you retroactively to the previous August as well to the next
August. And then >> you won't have to pay again till the next August. You know what? I I and I apologize. Yeah. Because I don't really like the to from the audience because I don't want to set that precedent. So, um but let's talk after the meeting and we will try
and figure this out and I don't it might be a case by case basis. Um but it might just be some misinformation. We let's we'll just figure this out. Thank you. Sorry about that. I shouldn't that was my fault. I didn't um Okay. We will move to consent agenda.
Mayor, could I just real quick for uh Mr. Bartalik isn't here anymore, but I wanted to speak as to why I brought this up and why I wanted to move it. >> Yes, I missed that. >> So, um and it's just a real simple answer that we're talking about a
procedural change. It would actually make sense to start doing it with the first meeting of the new year if that was what the council was inclined to do. So, there's no need to rush it. We could just not do it at all. But I think that it it's to me a good transparency
measure. It's one of the things I ran for this office on in the first place. And it's the council that's sitting here right now's responsibility to set those policies and the future council could always change them. >> Right. Well, and I'm sorry I did miss that and my response was going to be it
makes sense to do it with January, but again, as we get the language and the council sees it and maybe it'll take too long. So maybe we'll be going back and forth a little too long. So if it doesn't, it doesn't. But right, it can be tabled. It can be voted down. It can be re-uped in January.
>> If I was to follow that logic, we would never do anything. So >> well, >> which might be some some folks preference, but >> Okay. And we will move to the consent agenda. Anybody have anything they want to remove? >> Okay. Do I have a motion to adopt the
consent agenda? S >> second. Uh, roll call, please. >> Councilman Bodto, >> I. >> Councilman Fog, >> I. >> Councilman Carney, >> I. Councilman Lazero, >> I. >> Council President Maldi, >> I.
>> Okay. Payment of claims, please, Mr. Arthur. resolved that the filing claims is approved when assumed are hereby ordered signed and verified as listed is hereby confirmed and ratified. >> Do I have a motion to adopt payment of
claims? >> Second. >> Uh roll call, please. >> Council, I council. >> Council, I lazy. >> I council president Moly. >> I Okay. The regular meeting of the mayor and council will be held on Thursday,
December 4th, 2025 at 7 p.m. in council chambers. Information for meetings is posted on the burrow website. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Uh all in favor?
>> Opposed? Okay. Thank you everybody. So