##VIDEO ID:GIqr2-qpqvE## e e e e e six e e [Music] to make it's not usually on when we get here sure everybody good so how are you except me huh nice that's really nice he does want to interrupt you want to interrupt you open the meeting could even see you have now you know that don't you I didn't get no you don't have to worry about that right yeah I guess we are do we have do we have a farm here I guess we do folks and welcome to the um planning board for Wednesday January 8 2025 and this is a reorganization of our planning board tonight um so we're going to move fairly quickly through um through the resolutions hopefully and uh we'll get this meeting going so um at this time I would ask uh the everyone here to silence their or or um turn off their cell phones and I'll open the meeting pursuing to the open public meetings law this is State for the record that adequate notice of this meeting has been provided to the public by publication by the Union County Hawk on January 2nd 2025 posting on the B website and by posting on and filing of said notice in the office of a municipal clerk this is a regular meeting of the board um this time I'd like to have a a moment of silence and a flag salute please to the of the United States of America to the for it stands na thank you call please mayor blumenstock here uh miss lysac here councilman Carney here Mr greet here miss vagio here Mr nstead here Mr Barkin Mr McCormack is excused Miss Banco here miss hay here and Mr buers is excused and at this time I'm going to turn this over to our um to our legal and um for the both administered to the new uh reappointed members thank you Mr chairman okay but how many people my stre who are they MERS okay so what I'm what I'm going to do is I'm GNA ask everybody just to um repeat the oath after me and um you can fill in the blank when I say state your name and state the job that you are um assuming which I think um in this Li case is she an alternate or is she that's two okay so every they're all regular planning board right uh Miss is the alter Al okay so with that having been said everybody who's taking the oath please raise your right hand and repeat after me I Stay your name I do solemnly swear or affirm do swear orir that I will support the Constitution of the United States I will support the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New Jersey and the constitution of the state of New Jersey and I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and to the governments established and to the governments established in the United stes and in this state in the United States and in this state under the authority of the people under the authority of the people so help me God so help me God I do further solemnly swear or affirm I do further solemnly swear orir I will impartially and justly perform that I will impartially and justly perform all the duties of the office all the duties of the office all state your office planning board member last three according to the best of my ability Accord to the best of my ability congratulations all right so what I'm going to ask um Del you have the uh the O for everybody sign okay if everybody join the meeting sign them and then you can give them to me uh at the end then I'll go both okay so congratulations welcome or Rew welcome to the board at this point in my capacity as board attorney I will continue to IDE over the meeting for the moment and my U responsibility is to call for nominations for chair of the planning board for the upcoming year the 2005 term of the board does anyone wish to make a nomination I wouldn't like to nominate Steve greet second we have a nomination and a second for uh the existing chair Steve greet are there any other nominations that anyone would like to make chair recognizes that there are F nominations I will declare the nominations closed um now would you please take a roll call for the um election of the chair yes signifies that you're voting for Mr G mayor blumenstock I miss lysac I councilman Carney I Mr greet yes Miss vagio hi Mr nstead I Mr Barkin hi Miss biano hi and Miss Hay all right so in the opinion of the chair the eyes have it not withstanding one contrary yes vote so uh with that I will extend my condolences to Mr greet and turn the meeting back over to him well thank you and um yeah I look forward to 2025 we have a an aggressive year coming up especially with COA so um we're going to be pretty busy as um Victor kind of will uh allude to later but um yeah we're going to have a very busy year with that and very possibly some additional meetings um including uh opening up to the general public um in very possibly a larger uh venue so we'll see how that that goes along um at this time I'd like to um I'd like to call for nominations for the vice chair of the planning board for 2025 and I'm going to make a motion to uh nominate uh Kathy vagio for the vice chair um do I hear a second um roll call please any other nominations seeing none ask for mayor blumenstock hi Miss lysac hi councilman Carney hi chair greet hi Miss vagio hi Mr nearad hi Mr Barkin Miss biano hi and Miss hay okay and we'll move on thank you very much you sure and I'll I'll move on to the U resolution pb-1 and that's um nominations for a Bo board attorney to the planning board through including the January 20126 meeting um and I would like to make a resolution uh appointing um Don Frasier of um of Kata Frasier and Forester LLC second can second are there any other nominations hearing none uh roll call please mayor blumenstock hi Miss lysac hi councilman Carney hi chair greet hi Miss vagio hi Mr nstead hi Mr Barkin Miss biano hi and Miss hay thank you I appreciate thank you and we'll continue on with the resolution um requesting a um uh a resolution consulted for a Consulting engineer and planner to the planning board through and including January 26 um reorganization meeting of the board I'll make a motion for uh Victor vegra do I hear a second and uh Harbor Consultants Incorporated SEC second okay do any other nominations seeing none R call Mayor blumenstock hi Miss lysac hi councilman Carney I chair greet I miss vagio I Mr nstead I Mr Barkin Miss Bianco hi and Miss hey good uh I'd like to make a resolution uh pb-3 a resolution appointing a secretary to the planning board through and including January 26 uh reorganization meeting of the board do I hear a nomination I will nominate Vel Lewis second okay any other nominations seeing none um I would like to open that up for a vote mayor blumenstock I miss lysac hi councilman Carney hi chair greed hi Miss vagio hi Mr nearad yes Mr Barkin uh Miss Bianco hi and Miss hay and just as I I can't thank Adele enough for all the work that she has done over the past 30 years 30 years that's amazing and you do an extraordinary job and thank you we appreciate it you're here yeah yes thank you do okay we'll move on to resolution pb-4 and that's a resolution designating Union County walk and stall Ledger as the official newspaper of the planning board for the publications of official notices and as the official newspaper to receive notices for the purpose of the up public meetings act for the year 20125 do want hear a nomination for that resolution I'll make a motion to accept it second I hear a second second second uh yeah all in favor I opposed one motion uh resolution carries um at that this point we'll move on to resolution pb-5 that's a resolution reopt the rules and regulations forms and procedures of the G planning board and they were sent electronically actually I have a question about this one Mr chairman I don't know is this a read-option or was it an adoption of a new version of this I think there were some minor changes that we did I think it's a motion potentially to adopt the rules and regulations as amended Circ as amended okay do I hear that motion I'll make that motion and I'll second that okay all those in favor I I I oppos hearing no motion carries I will move on to motion uh resolution pb-6 and that's a resolution adopting the following dates as a designated meetings dates for the planning board for 2025 all meetings will be held in person at barl Hall and virtually via Zoom video beginning at 7:30 p.m. remote meeting access information will be available on the B website and there's a slight change to that uh January 28th it's January 22nd which was sent out to everyone as an amendment to that so with that uh do I hear a motion to adopt that resolution I'll make that motion do I hear a second second all those in favor I opposed hearing none motion carries okay open that okay very good um just as a note uh the board secretary shall be authorized on myself uh to cancel the meeting due to lack of schedule business and we'll move on to our uh minutes um has everyone had an opportunity to review the minutes and if they have do I have any motion I make that motion I'll second that uh all those in favor I I I opposed hearing none motion carries um now we have uh new business and the adoption of the 2024 zoning annual year end report purum to NJ S40 55d 70.1 Mr chairman before we um vote on that um I just wanted to ask the board um I contacted Adell after we received that and um if we can keep track of the recommendations that we make during the year changes or for you know zoning changes or any other changes that we make so we have a better handle on what we're um passing on in that report for Council to act on that'd be appreciated okay thank youel okay thank you duly noted I'll make a motion I have a second to accept it Mr the question yeah absolutely so under discussion items which is towards the end um on the second page says review of the final draft of developers assistant package with proposed revisions Incorporated with recommendation to the governing body I didn't think I didn't think the governing body was involved in our application I could be wrong yeah you're right I think you may be right yeah you're right so that those words probably should deled so strike with the recommendation to the governing body from that yeah thank you Steve okay um at this time uh do we have any additional business and I know that um a motion to adopt it do I hear a second second all those in favor I opposed hearing no motion carries okay we'll open up for a general discussion if anyone has anything that they'd like to bring up that couple minutes sherff yes I just wanted to um bring up uh something that's come across our desk over at a um in burrow Hall um and I'd like the planning board I've already um spoken offline to miss pagio and Mr net um about possibly making some changes to our code in terms of um allowable businesses there's um some that come across uh to B Hall in terms of uh body piercing tattooing um of that nature and I just think we need to clarify it in our code um you know I I'm certainly all for allowing these businesses and I I think it we list some we don't list others I just think the code overall needs to be looked at so if with your permission if we can go ahead and and do that yeah we can um we can draft up something um along those lines and maybe present it on 22nd at that meeting yes good okay one one question Mr chairman if I through the time frame we don't but um I mean then later I've actually asked um Community Development to hold off on the ordinances that we were looking at from you before just thinking if we could do it all at once if we're adjusting the code for you know that section we can might make sense to do it all at once so we're holding off on those recommendations until this then you're you're going to look at that yeah bills we look at that okay so um Bill and Kathy will'll be uh will'll be reviewing that and drafting up a draft ordinance for that mayor to to give to the mayor yeah and that'll be presented on the 22nd that's why I think it's that's right and we' need we' need some Board of Health fees for that as well so there's a couple of things we need to take a look at yeah so you should be reviewing that as well then okay we okay great yeah you know we should look at that again because that's good for business you know sometime you know things things that are in there now or not um like a a nonuse now this was done you know 25 30 years ago there's regulations now the Board of Health is involved and it's good for business to have another business like a uh small business but there are small businesses that's up in not challenged by us we get we must to finish oh I know and yet they're all doing well so EXA so there's andus a lot of start business and and and servic so we should think about have and don't we have a limit on our restaurants 15 right yeah there 15 I don't see yeah GB CC yeah although those everybody you know's I love aboutness fa for stop for lunch I do see those people but I also any further discussion Steve yeah Steve just one point um Steve move your mic a little closer yeah I was just doing that so the developers assistant package which under Cathy's great leadership we put together she did the flowchart so applicants know step by step what the process is and we've been talking about it stops a little short of the end and letting them know that they have to emerge with a set of plans that our Consultants agree as all the changes required by the planning board in in the hearings uh might be subject to some permits at least the plans are right and those are the plans that go to granford so at the next meeting I will have something yes um based it upon your um email to me right I will put it like in the application package exactly um I have to find out you know where I'm going to put it without messing up four pages well at the end at the end close to but also looking at looking at the flowchart that's in there and putting it on a flowchart you know you know these are the steps and if you get approved but there's changes then you got to need you know then you got to do this I figure that out before the 22nd I mean my experience uh which I've shared with Kathy and Steve is that there's eventually you go through the board process there's a resolution revised plans come into the consultant and eventually the consultant tells the the board leadership this plan is right and then there's a sticker attached with signature lines for the chair and secretary which they can sign yeah uh once they're told by the consultant that that's and now we have something that can go to uh so just just as clarification then what what this process says nothing goes before the building department for to the review and the sign off is that what you're saying yes okay um and the reason I bring that up is because I I learned something new actually it was brought up by Adele to me um we we discussed a little bit of that CFO being distributed to some some you know an entity that um that maybe that we thought should not have been issued I understood now that we don't have any jurisdiction of holding up a CFO accepting life and safety is that correct Victor but I can't stop if not been that's what I'm saying yeah they're not supposed to be do because the by Bo and that building is supposed whatever all conditions thees know and that problem I have we have I constru dep right they have to work I sat down build you're not checking they you're not checking if you're not that yeah without okay Mr chairman I was gonna say those exact same words about sending a letter so yeah I'm I'm on board Victor yeah right yeah understood well this this should clarified and and by this this this kickoff of uh of this um ordinance that cath's changing um we should be able to utilize that as a basis for that letter um that generation so so it's got to cover two two different situations one building permit and the second Co may be there so it just don't know and the use has changed a billing permit should not be issued absolutely like because it has to be signed off right by the zoning officer in order to get the building permit because I know I had to do that and and we could put that piece of information in the application package so applicants know right from The Zo very good yeah we could them has no jurisdiction that's where they have a little bit of it's easier to be we and and vict very good point absolutely correct but I guess that does then give us the ability to send a letter to DCA about that construction official I mean I know and you know talk going to result in much but that would give us that ability right is that true I hey you know we can send the letter it's you know we can at least send a letter yeah yeah in 90 days Vic anyway this is coming okay well maybe you know what I would I would ask Don to kind of chime in on this a little bit with Adele and maybe come up with a a a quality letter to send to um franford basically reminding the building inspector do his job correct correct correct okay thank you I got reappointed I'll do a letter s for the earth I was GNA do a really nice letter if we were done by eight but make a motion to adjourn [Laughter] oh yeah he is and the day when I reti one of those activities because I go down toly Pi up whatever sign off on everybody and I know what this board is I know what's in there and even with that even Frank was leaving but that doesn't happen then the profession walk into building off Victor you're never going to retire been he's going to somay Steve do you have anything that you wna you want to add every okay all right very good Victor you have something that you want to bring up about Kaa and you're going to do some bed items U made reference by uh Mike St correct now the state has now using their population 80% of development M go through this with us well there was a cave at there something okay that's what I want yeah there bring we do have business but um one example is now I don't know if this is legality of this is um letting businesses for residents add a unit there a two families on and I know one particular person two and there's a small use for housing got neighbor said something deficient have parking that would Beed to could we Prejudice the ordinance to give favor to unit that unit may not have lck of parking but to let some of the businesses of North and South Avenue may not have the parking and a unit but it has to it's just an idea response response Victor I have no idea I'm gonna have to Bounce That by my staff do I feel like I've seen that I I've read an article about a a town doing that and they're they implemented this parking fee that they could do they could do that but they if they didn't have enough parking they had to um it was figured out how much and it would go back to the municipality it was sort of to offset it was like a it was a very specific parking situation different question okay you have to get a they least we have to pay AE that okay number municipalities I'm talking about there's a say there's an ex Department above Premier but say was V Space to say the hey that law to a one bedroom with unit we we can be a little requ requirements Mr chairman I I like where you headed I know you probably shocked me to say that but um you know you saw what I recommended to Mike and to the board in terms of where we could potentially put more uh housing and a lot of it is second and third floors of existing uh structures where you do have a commercial use in the first floor I have no problem with that but you're absolutely right then you went into okay look at North Avenue there there's no parking so what are you GNA do so I like the idea I like very much of of advancing a concept to allow second maybe third floor housing and doing something with the affordable housing I kind of think it' be easier if we just don't in parking or it's and I'm going to say something perhaps blastness but right you had going to the same place just don't require parking for affordable units now the nle of that as Council and the mayor know is then they're going to park two two blocks away and so now we're going to be extending our you know resid parking permit program so this is a big discussion okay yeah to suggest something I don't know whether that's free yeah I don't know whether or not you can build affordable units and then somehow not provide appropriate parking for them when you require appropriate parking for all other kinds of uses there may well be and I don't know something in the affordable housing regulations that says you can't build or designate apartments that have substandard parking and let that be your affordable units but you don't do that for everything else now maybe you are allowed to do something like that but I'm not prepared to assume that you are so I would suggest maybe that before we spread a bunch of stuff about that onto the record that we perhaps and Mike may be the person to go to it on on Vic but we we get a little more information about the requirements of those units before we say a bunch of stuff about it and along those lines this is something that we're not going to be able to accomplish um prior to our commitments coming up with this Coop this is something that we can address long term or longer term and and come back because we're not going to we're going to have to project where where possibly put our affordable units but we can change that at a later time we don't have to do this now so what I'm getting at is we need to come up with a game plan on where we're going to fit and I want you to to jump in on this after after I talk um these 80 units um the affordable units and designate the areas that they're going in because we have a a deadline that we have to meet and if we don't um the town is going to incur some some some major difficulties which we don't want to go there um so that up being up front Victor I'd like you to allude to what I just did uh about the 80 as opposed to the 79 and I think Mike mrr brought that up to you well we didn't go know the units we're thinking about the second phase of paper now wants to be residential that would off certain now we're still stuck with 6 right nowes I think life the park lot West West which is not all yeah I I feel like that this that conversation as to where we put it should be that has to be done in the later time yeah because I I know um Mike Str and I've been speaking with him and there's different things that were everybody's been I do to like put it out there because then it becomes yes that's what we're doing and that's not the case yet there is nothing set what I do want to bring to the Forefront and I thought that Michael may have spoken to you about it but I he gave me a call um a little late earlier today and uh remember last at the last meeting we agreed that we would not not approve the 80 but we' approve the 79 units um because we don't have and it's it was based on open space and it's and it was an adjustment Factor by one well speaking with Mike today he's he's he's saying after much discussion that he had with um with legals various legal aspects of various legal parties um involved in lawsuits current lawsuits and um his his um his counterparts in involved in various communities on COA that for us to expend a lot of money and time trying to justify one unit it will not pay for gar to go forward to challenge 80 versus 79 because we will be in the courts and we be caring a lot of money involved with that one unit and it just doesn't make any sense and he admits that he did the research initially and he thought it was possible but after speaking with numerous entities he said it it would definitely not to our benefit to go forward with that I'm saying that we should go forward then and approve the 80 that we we did not approve the last time and as opposed to the 79 now yes just to accept accept right does check and number onep told numbers right State people who G didn't Gras they use Highway open space railroad Depot open space might gave you that advice yeah we can move the we're talking about other areas right now downtown GB while then and I will have to Department that was Department years ago that's why we so with that I'm going to make a motion right now um to accept the DCA uh limit of 80 units affordable housing for Garwood um and go forward with sending that that um that that notification out to DCA on January 31st approving or accepting uh the GCA number of 80 I'll second that motion uh more please mayor blumenstock abstain Miss lysac I councilman Carney abstain chair greet hi Miss vagio hi Mr nearad hi Mr Barkin hi Miss biano I and Miss hay thank you you have any any he gave me went over nothing have to elaborate on that we have to the the plan is for the resolution to be um voted on at the next council meeting very good s do you have the other background documentation for the co information that we have um I don't believe I received that I'm I will be working with Miss lysc to to get everything get up spe yeah' we've been starting okay all it's important with the c you know that yeah exactly good very good thank you okay um do we have any further discussion on any items that we haven't carried we haven't uh discussed nope okay um with that I'll open it up for buing cl n do we have no okay and um I'll open up for an invitation to address the board both uh here and for opening up to the general public if there are any online nobody can do online anymore you can't do online that's right I forgot okay um heing then motion uh I'll close that section of the meeting and uh we have one last thing to do Mr the chair make a motion to we adjourn uh second all those in favor I I oppose than you very much busy busy I got I got three of these anybody else y right yeah the big the big BG thing right now is unless you unless you busy so was was that being said we don't have a meeting in two weeks or we do we have a meeting second that's not that's two week from tonight we have a meeting okay we should about we got stuff on it okay and I agre to write a letter to the cin building department tell them to  sh issue he had to move out to his wife is he uh oh everybody got out okay right I'll I'll tell you what put into it I assume we pay granford for those Services yeah