should be coming later okay we can officially start now welcome to the planning and zoning board of Wednesday March 26th um as this is a public meeting I would appreciate if
anybody has a cell phone that they have not either silenced or turned off that they would do so at this time um and I'll open up the meeting uh pursuant to the open public meetings law this is to state for the record that adequate notice of this meeting has been provided to the public by publication in the
Union County Hawk on January 2nd 2025 posting on the bureau website and by posting and filing of said notice in the office of the municipal clerk this is a regular m meeting of the board at this time I'm going to ask for a moment of
silence and a flag salute please i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you
please mayor Blumentock miss Lysac Councilman Carney Chair Greet here Miss Vagio here Mr nearstead here Mr barkin here Miss Haye here Miss Biano
here and Mr buyers here okay and um if everyone has had an opportunity to review the minutes of the March 12th meeting do I hear a motion i'll make a motion to accept the meeting all those in favor opposed hearing none
motion carries okay we have a resolution um from last week um the appeal of the action with respect to zoning article uh for the administrative officers decision that a car storage facility is not a permitted use at uh the South Avenue
applicant so um we have the resolution in front of us if uh we'll take a couple of minutes and just take a look at it and if there are any questions or if there are any uh recommendations we'll take it at that time oh I heard you were going to be late
and if uh if anyone has um had an opportunity to complete it um do I hear a motion to accept them number five okay parking 50 cars in a configuration yes yes it's one in front of the other does
that Does that mean that term stack mean it's a question well there was something that was supposed to be put in that they would not have vertical lifts they're not vertical they're not to have vertical lifts which is specific condition stack parking does not mean
one on top of each other that means one in front of you okay so it's covered okay yes how you feel if you're gonna tell me paragraph two I see it bill number two now you're gonna make me look
um Oh there's a typo in number two um no um it really the resolution really doesn't have a reason for our our decision to um over if and I don't know this is right
Kathy i didn't make the motion into your fault whereas invision officer did we put a reason there and I'm just making this up the well the re the reason is what four or five six the reason is the seventh whereas but if you
want to recite that in the uh resolution at the end you can do that bill I didn't make the motion but that's what I recommend because that's basis for the we can certainly put that
in okay and Don is I support that i have one question yeah go ahead okay right and um if you look at uh condition F Steve and number three
f last page Steve subject to his approval what says proposed it also says I'll put in proposed and improve front side okay no problem we can put an annual significance clear
sure okay are there any other changes or any recommendations that should be made at this time any further do we have to recommend the correcting the typos in number two or as amended circle a bit all right
so if I hear a motion to um accept the resolution as amended um at this current meeting I'll make that motion all the uh roll call please mayor Blumentock hi um Councilman Carney I miss Lysac i greet
yes miss Vagio hi and you said Mayor Gre Chair no I'm not mr neareststead yes Miss Biano hi mr barkin
and Miss Haye yes okay so the uh resolution will go forward with those with those amendments um and I see that there is there is no public to address uh any open discussion
so um I'll open it up for discussion seeing none um I'll close that portion of the meeting uh do we have any bills and claims that have to be publicly noted i have something that Yeah I know yeah down further now
okay affordable affordable housing uh now we we do have something i did mention um yeah so there's no further public discussion uh claims no okay um yeah at this time um Kathy Vagio would like to
uh bring up something about the the proposal that she had made at the last meeting just as a clarification yeah at the last meeting I said if there was any like uh major change or update with the
um with the with with with with uh the assistant package uh the a development assistant package I would everybody know um this isn't you know
like it's like it's not a major change but it's not a minor change uh um the actual package itself uh um we had the fee schedule like like
included but we change fees like go once a year once every six months like we add something i think it's it it would be um since we make so many like we make
these changes then if these changes are made then the package itself have to be updated like instead um like we just let them know that you know like Adele lets them know that the fee schedule's in the
code like when they apply right we should just reference the B section in the application package and that way yeah I'll reference custody I think it's I think it's 106-47 or whatever it is can I address
that for a second speaking as some speaking of somebody who represents applicants that's the biggest pain in the world for an applicant and I find it to be a pain as an attorney and to as to tell that to the um the prosay people
who are coming applicants they're going to get it wrong when they do the applicants at least we should hand them the page even if we just take a page out of the uh ordinance or whatever you should hand the people the page of the fee schedule
could we put the fee schedule on the website put a give them a URL in the package and then the website can get updated whenever we change something yeah that I mean that's great i'm just saying if you're telling applicants do
the fee from the ordinance it'll never be right okay all right so then I'll reference like a URL you know like you'll give me like like the um code number Steve's Racing the
code it's possible to uh address and I'll put it on the on the index there you go yeah we're trying to simplify this to Don's point for for lay people who are coming in is it possible to list the fees on a
piece of paper and always just include the piece of paper take it out of the document and have it there that's what that's what the problem is that the fees change so much so what so it's one page one piece of paper they can retype it but it's but it's not
one piece of paper it's like 10 pieces yeah because the fees are with the escrow and the and what you have to do with the escrow so I think having a link like what I mean a link is fine but I just I just agree with Steve because
because I do this right and I appreciate that it's all like it's like this and it's the escort it's all that but we really could have a one-page document says this cost this this cost that this cost the other thing that
can't be more than a page how many things do we have do we charge 15 20 save the paper and make it a link it could be a link too but there's there's just not a problem putting that all in one place and this way you don't have to change the the picture change the whole
package right just one page you mean just a breakdown of these on one page yeah and not the explanation they can go to the rest of it for the explanation but just the simple right all right how's this i will No I won't i will attempt to do that okay
i will attempt to do that um that's an award doc so that's that's a that's going through the whole code right yeah I can do it i can it's in multiple it's in multiple sections no
I put it all in one section okay like I put the escrow like it used to be in two different sections like the escrow part was over here the basic fees are uh uh we're we're in a different section so
when we looked at the fees a couple years ago we put it all together we put all in the same in the same spot under have the application fees on a piece of
paper they could be changing from time to time but I doubt that the escrow fees change much no the escro fees usually change sometimes more than the fees because because the escrow goes up the escro goes up no it's a percentage of
something no I don't know cuz they changed well now I have Now I have a question then if that's No just just let's let's stick with this if you're going to have a sheet of paper and you're going to be updating you're going to have to update this periodically on a
regular basis is that going to be your job that's what the thing is i have the files so I'm I'm trying not to do you want to you want to turn this over to the burrow and the burrow will be responsible for doing whatever caretaking has to be done for this file
system correct that's what's going to happen that's what should happen i I Great i assume when they go to Adele this is something if it's a piece of paper with all the fees you could just hand them that piece of paper is that your I mean volume on
your Yeah something's Oh um I I usually refer them to the section of the ordinance oh you usually do i I mean if if it's just a residential application then it's just the C variance and and
$100 yeah so that's but when you have your other major site plans that are calculated by apartments and by you know they usually have an attorney and and the architect and the engineer will
calculate the fees so I don't know i was going to say it's simple but now you're saying it's not tell you had one two months ago in Woodbridge and I went and I looked at it sat I'm
not an idiot I hope and I calculated these and I sent it in and then of course they said it's wrong and then you didn't go to section 42G that's on some other page like what okay another $100 fine whatever people like $2,300 i don't
care about the other $100 it's just that it's not easy and it's easy to get wrong and then it's just something else that they love to say oh you're not complete because you didn't do this like well it wasn't clear but here it is
i you know Stephen and I look at it I think a little bit from the standpoint of of a practitioner and what you're being handed i I mean I think it's easy enough to put on it sounds like it's it's in concept
easy enough to put on a piece of paper or two pieces of paper stapled together whatever it may be and give it to the applicant i guess the the issue I don't think is so much who updates it because I think if it's in the burrow's hands we
can do a yearly update at reorg um I guess the issue is is it a are we able to easily get all those fees compiled into one sheet and because I'm not sure it it'll be a couple pieces
um right a couple if we're just looking at the fees themselves it'll be two pieces of paper um Kathy I can work with you on that too and I can give you some examples of what some other towns do yeah because I just
took like what's in the code and I and I just put it in to the package um you know like a like it was an Acrobat file that's in the code like it's an Acrobat file so I just inserted those um
those that file into the big file um but you know like if you have Acrobat like if the brow has a license for Acrobat like I have a
license so I was able to insert pages and take pages out like an Acrobat file mhm um the PDF file um then it's then it's not really difficult to do look you're just you're just creating a document and you put it
on a URL link on the website that anyone can access i think you can if someone doesn't know how to click something to get a print out because it's that simple then they could go to the barrel hall and Bar Hall could click it for print it out and hand it to them i don't
understand right why this is such a big deal about having a hard copy it essentially is a digital copy of a hard copy you just have to hit print anyone could do it okay i think we do that i will you should be i will it's that simple
and Victor verifies the fees anyway and if they're not calculated correctly then we just Yeah I will um do the just the fee part but I would I would think that we could have a link to the
the big bigger um the bigger uh the bigger uh schedule like of fees with the escrow in the explanation like on the web page yeah yeah you can you can work
with Kathy on that and and we can kind of streamline okay yeah all right thank you very much thank you all right with that um Okay we are now up to uh to Michael and uh some affordable housing
go into executive session right away well I I want to find out from Michael if he's got anything that he wants to open up to the general public first or not um just I would just state that this a continued conversation with the planning
board on the early stages of preparing our house fourth round housing element and fair share plan um what I'm going to discuss tonight is I would say privileged and confidential and when we are done with this
session immediately uh thereafter there's going to be scheduled a public hearing on the plan that we're putting together it'll also be posted on the town's on the burough's website it'll be made available hard copies for the public at at Burough Hall and I'll do a
full presentation and public hearing on this document in the very near future just a reminder it has to be adopted prior to June 30th 2025 this year okay uh very good so at this time um I'm going to ask for a motion uh to go into
executive session but before I do that the reason we're going into executive session is to discuss um some affordable housing um issues and uh and some concerns and some ideas that we have as regarding the uh the affordable housing
requirements that we we have put in place by us um to us to by the state so uh with that do I hear a motion you might want to also mention Mr chairman that we're not going to have any further business after the executive session thank you and we will not have
any further business after the executive session do I hear a motion i'll make that motion do I hear all those in favor i I opposed hearing none a motion carries we are now going into executive
session and we are in executive session