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>> know it. next year. So, how many days before we meet up >> you know, right? >> Used to play I don't know years probably 15 years.
>> Oh, you remember? Okay. But I haven't seen it in you know many. >> Wow. >> You're a lot older than that. >> You go back further. Used to Used to be >> used. >> That's true. director.
Yes. >> Still curved around. Okay. Boy, she make it on by. >> I had to go find his parking. >> Yes. Yes, I do. >> All right. I'm already standing all the
time. >> He's ahead of us. >> Good evening, folks, and welcome to the um the planning board uh for Wednesday, January 28th. Um and if I would, I'd like to ask uh if you either silence or turn off your cell phones, it'll be
appreciated. Um we have some new members also um tonight with us. Uh four new actually members uh one one prior member and is coming back on. But uh we're going to we're going to have them do a little introduction in the beginning. But at this time I'd like to open it up with a uh moment of silence and a flag
salute, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and histo. >> Thank you. I roll call please.
>> Yeah I will. >> Mayor Blumentock >> here. >> Miss Lysac >> here. Councilwoman Biano >> here. Chair Greed. >> Yes. >> Miss Valagio >> here. >> Mr. Neareststead >> here. >> Mr. Barkin >> here. >> Miss Haye
>> here. >> Mr. McCarrick >> here. >> Mr. Buyers >> here. >> Mr. Mason >> here. >> Mr. Di Maria >> here. >> And Mr. Biano >> here. >> And by uh by notice um I'll read this into public uh public um
pursuant to the open public meetings law. to state for the record that adequate notice of this meeting has been provided to the public by publication in the Westfield leader in January 2026 posting on the Barrow website and by posting and filing of said notice in the
office of the misal clerk. This is a regular meeting of the board. Okay. Um with that um if everyone's had an opportunity to read the minutes of uh of last meeting, do I need a motion to accept those minutes? I'll make a motion to accept the minutes as presented.
>> I hear a second. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I opposed >> hearing none. Motion carries. Um we have a change in in venue a little bit, but first I'm going to ask our four new members and we'll start with um Keith. >> Yes.
>> Would you mind a little introduction um by way of uh our board and for the public? Thank you. >> Sure. My name is Keith Mason. I am a Garwood resident for about 13 years and New Jersey resident before that um for
most of my life. Grew up in Colonia, not not too far from here. I have been working in the construction management industry in New York City for 21 years as a project manager. Um and hope to bring that experience here.
>> Great. Thank you. Uh Brian. >> Hi everyone. I'm Brian Di Maria. I've been a Garwood resident for 14 years now. Uh married to Amanda Di Maria and two kids, Nicholas 11 and Emma 7. Uh
I've been working I work for a public accounting firm uh specializing in sales and use taxes. Been doing this for 27 years now. Uh I've been a New Jersey resident all 52 years of my life. So pleasure to meet you all and be part of this team.
>> Okay. Thank you, Thomas. Uh TJ >> and maybe you want to explain that you like to be called TJ as opposed to Thomas. >> Thomas James Biano. So TJ Biano. But hi everyone. Um TJ Biano. Uh Garwood resident for pretty much my entire life
going on about 30 years now. Um I'm a real estate agent with Coldwell Banker in Westfield. Um I have a little bit of experience with zoning variation stuff like that. So I'm just eager to learn more and bring what I have to table. So happy to be here. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. and Craig Craig Mallik.
>> I'm rejoining the board after about nine year absence. Um I was on the planning board for I don't know six years before that. >> Um lifelong Garwood resident uh 41 years. Um I've worked in environmental consulting for the last 20 years. So
>> Okay. >> Good. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Um >> welcome definitely. And I'm going to change it up. Um we we're not going to hear case um PB2506 that's 400 Spruce Avenue. Um they'll be
placed on a future uh date. Uh but we will start with um >> maybe I should address please. >> Uh yeah the reason for that and I know the applicant is not thrilled by it. Um there's a reason for that. I know the applicant may not be thrilled by it but
I did review. I want to compliment Adele as usual. She's right on the ball. And before it even came to me, Adele pointed out what she thought was potentially a deficiency in the applicant's notice. Uh Adele was absolutely correct. I find or
I found the notice to be insufficient in terms of alerting the public uh as to the nature of the variance relief sought by the applicant. Uh so I ruled that um the board do not probably have jurisdiction to hear it at this meeting
and I recommended to the applicant was really I was talking I guess to the applicant's architect who was the individual who was running the show and perhaps had the applicant used an attorney rather than an architect to do the notices they'd be on
this evening. But that was not how it went. So we told them come back in February and March. >> Okay. Thank you. That's for our explanation. Um now we'll carry it on to uh case PB25-07
and that's 63 second Avenue block 208 lot 5. Uh do we have a presenter here? >> Gary Goodman, presenter. Uh my my client is Primma Vera Park View LLC. Good evening everybody.
>> Um my uh my witness at deck, our engineer, it was on exit 137 10 minutes ago. So I expect that I think he's looking for parking. Uh but I can begin. This is a um a two lot minor subdivision.
Um there is an existing house that will remain and an additional lot that with your approval will will be um uh uh subdivided. uh the uh
there was a notice for variance for uh side by side which I understand in 2025 we eliminated uh that restriction and now allow side by side as a permitted
use. Uh there was also uh a I think the planner picked up a variance for height which uh I believe Mr. decks uh bulk schedule listed as 35 ft. And um when we
realized that the uh restriction bulk schedule was 32, we are withdrawing that uh 35 ft request and we're now at 32 ft. So with that, all of our
uh uh bulk schedules are met for the new lot and there's only one pre-existing condition which relates to the house that remains and that is that the setback where your ordinance requires 25 ft. Uh these uh the existing house is
only 15 ft. Uh which is pretty much the prevailing situation. Uh but uh it is a pre-existing non non-conforming condition. Uh so with that uh we have u a uh existing house that will remain and
is currently rented uh and we have a proposed second lot uh where my client uh proposes to build side by side duplex. Uh my client uh Prima Vera Park View is an experienced builder building in Union County, Morris County, Mammoth
County. Uh has done numerous projects, has been uh uh you know townhouse developer, etc. Uh this is not a situation where he's looking to subdivide and flip the lot. This is somebody uh who is a builder by trade
and is looking to uh build these uh these side byside uh duplexes with uh with your approval. Um since my engineer is not here, I would like to call um >> Well, Mr. G, let me just clarify a
couple things what you just said so we while we're waiting for Mr. Deck. >> Okay. So if I understand it then at this point it's a fully conforming subdivision as of right >> the uh the o correct the only thing that uh we can't change is the pre-existing
condition of the existing house. >> Okay. And you said duplexes in fact there's only one duplex being constructed which has two units. >> It's side by side a total of two units. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now, do you do you want to do you
want to proceed or do you want to hold off until your um engineer comes or do would you like to um maybe take some questions uh based on your presentation up to this time from the board? >> Well, he can call his client. >> Okay, that's true. I >> testify.
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words and he has something to tell you with regard to what it's going to look like. And so I'd like to call Joe Fon second. >> Perfect. Thank you. Good evening. >> Good evening, M. Was it FC? >> Yes. >> Mr. FC, uh, do you solemnly swear that
the testimony you're about to give before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Okay. Please, uh, spell your last name and give us your address, sir. >> Joseph, FA, I got 46 Richmond Avenue in Cranford.
>> Mr. Chairman, it might be beneficial to uh swear in Alex Fon Seca, the brother, in case Joe can't answer some of the questions. >> Certainly. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh Mr. Mr. Alice Fon, I won't ask you to spell your last name. >> But do you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> And please state your address. >> 4 Street. >> Okay. The um document that you have in front of you, is that part of the plans that we already have? It's just a colorized version. >> That is not that that we're gonna have
to mark. >> Let's make that A1. >> Yep. You want all the pages total of A1? >> How many pages is it? >> Four. >> What do you think, Mr. Goodman? >> I think A1, two, three, and four.
>> Works for me. >> All right. I'm gonna refer to you by your first name so that we don't get confused. Joe, could you give the board a little background on who Park View uh Remma Vera Park View is in terms of your
experience building? >> So, I've been in the construction industry for 40 or 41 years. Um our main construction company was all residential uh subdivisions, you know, a lot of
subdivisions in Jackson, uh Tom's River, Lakewood, Pow, Manavin, um Oldridge, um large 100, 200 own projects. And now
we're just downscaling and doing smaller projects like this. We just finished a nine lot subdivision in Chadam about a year ago. We do homes in Westfield, Brford, Scotch Plains, Fan Woodland. >> Uh Joe, you're currently the owner of
this property, 63 Second Avenue Edmond. >> Yes. >> And you can confirm that there's an existing house that you've rented out? >> Yes. >> Uh and um can you tell the board what your intent is if you receive approval for what you plan to build? So on the
the one if we get the approvals the one lot we're going to do a sidebyside duplex the existing home we is rented we fixed it we rented it um but we have a year lease on it but ideally we would start if everything
goes according to plan with the one side by side. Can you uh tell the board uh looking at A1, which is an elevation of what you proposed, what it is in terms of bedrooms, baths, set. >> All right, let's um Mr. Gman, let's
market A1 if we haven't already done so. >> Yeah, I'm about to get that. >> Yeah, just mark all the P1 pay for. >> Yeah, and with and with today's date. >> Thank you, Mr. I would have done it anyway. While he's doing that, Joe,
looking at the elevation, >> the materials that you plan to use. >> The exterior is a combination of Hardy for this product called LP, which is similar to Hardy. Uh, it's a maintenance
product. All of HS are maintenance free. The siding is maintenancefree. garage door is maintenanceree all maintenance free. Uh the there will be some stone accents or brick accents depending on which I pick. Uh also
landscaping package along the front along the foundations. Um consist of four bedrooms. >> Why don't you just flip to the face? That would be A2. Great. Okay.
Basement of the house. Uh it's a we'll have a full basement with a bathroom and storage and a mechanical room. Uh nine casinos in the basement. The first floor has a kitchen
and outer room that entrance has a garage. A one car. Each unit has a onecar garage. Second floor has a primary and three additional bedrooms and two full baths per unit.
I'm sorry, three. Yeah, two full baths and a laundry room on the second floor. Okay. So, in total, how many baths are in this house? >> Uh, it would be three full bath. Three and a half baths. >> Three and a half bath. >> Two on the second, one on the a half
bath on the first and a bathroom. Full bath in the in basement. >> You understand that the um basement even though it has a full bath, cannot be used for a separate residential dwelling. Correct. >> I do.
those further questions to Mary. >> So the um elevations that you were sharing is that based on the 35 foot height that was in the original application. So these elevations have been >> These are based on the 32 foot. Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. That's what I just wanted to confirm. Thank you. >> Yeah. So Harvard report called your height out at 35. So that's not correct. It's 32.
>> That's correct. The um uh we we caught that in time or removed the variance and we're going to do the 32 which is compliant with your post. >> The other variance they picked up was parking in front. I read their report.
>> Parking front. That that comment should be rumbled. Uh, >> okay. >> Yeah, >> which one is that? >> It was number three. >> It was comment number three. >> Okay. >> It's just the only barren that never
picked up the height bearings in the front yard, but they fixed the height. >> I have a question. Will there be a separation for in the yard in the back? Will they have a fence? We will have so each unit has a small covered porch >> and there will be like three sections of
fence dividing the two yards but then it will remain open to the back. There'll be I would say roughly 24 ft of fencing >> and then stops >> to the back but then it stops. Yeah.
>> All new fencing. >> Sorry. All new fencing. >> New fencing. Yes. >> Including the front. So, I think there was a tree. >> Oh, yeah. That all gets removed. But there won't be a fence in the front just in the rear yard in between. It's >> just to kind of give them a little
privacy. If you're sitting on your porch, they will have some privacy. >> Is it going to be a cyclone fence what it is now? Or will it be a vinyl fence? >> Uh, I honestly have not decided, but it could be a vinyl fence. Either one is
okay with being vinyl or stockade. Does the ordinance call out first or spec? >> No, I'm just asking. >> I would say final since everything else is free would be a lot. >> All right. So,
>> would you mind if we put that as a um >> Absolutely. >> Is the fence just in the backyard? >> The fence? Yes. >> Okay. So, there's no fencing in the front for the sections about 8 foot just to give them a little >> Okay. privacy and then it will be open
behind. So, >> do you you're going down. So, do you have any idea what's underground? >> Uh down you're going to dig out the basement. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Any >> I'm not sure. I'm assuming it's
>> all the right. >> You said you said the basement. You said the basement. By the way, is the basement at the same level at the as the garage? >> No, the level below. >> Yeah, the basement. Yeah, it's a full
basement, correct? >> And is there And there's a bedroom down there. >> No, >> there's no bedroom. >> It's a wreck room. >> Okay. >> Yes. A rec room, a bathroom, and a mechanical room. >> And is there access to that basement obviously from outside someplace?
>> No, there's a staircase from the inside of the house. >> Oh, okay. Well, there is no outdoor uh no outdoor entrance. >> Excellent. Okay. Thank you, >> Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Um Mr. As I missed you earlier, I I did end up writing something. So, I'm just going to pass this out to everybody, including
you. Get a copy of what my my I decided was easier to write these. And I would only ask your client questions about the house. We observe everything else for Mr. Deck. Now, now you got me going a little bit. You say a full basement. Um, but you do have two quote unquote
interior parking spaces. So, the the right word the recck room and everything else starts behind the parking interior parking spaces. >> Correct. >> So, the so the first floor of the house is full. The basement is a little
smaller. >> The basement smaller because >> Okay. Well, you said full. >> Well, >> kind of threw me off. Yes. Okay. >> The space of the car, the garage will be part of the right. It was just the use of the word full of um and I did hear what you said and I totally understand
about the um nobody living uh in that that section. Uh would you mind and if the rest of the board agrees that we actually even though you agree with it make that make that a condition of approval? >> Okay, that'd be great. Um what I just
handed out to board members in addition to yourself and I just said to Mr. Goodman, I would only ask the questions regarding what you testified about. So the only one actually would be um number four um new section of code that talks about
um architectural differences between houses and one of my cons one of my concerns when we saw to do permitting side by side is that we'd end up with side by side by side all the way down and we'd become uh let town. So, um, I
just wanted to make sure if you look at number four that you work with Harbor Consultants in terms of the facade, the sheds, the front doors, the mailboxes that and that you really look at the house down at 137, 139. Make sure you're
different >> in at least the the three in at least three areas. And I've listed six or seven different areas. Just make sure you're different so that we don't end up as time goes on with the same facades going down. we'd we'd really appreciate
that. And again, um I'll leave the wording up to uh Mr. Frasier, but if we can, you know, make that a condition, too, that that would be greatly appreciated. Um everything else I hold on for Mr. Deck and uh although I do like the fact that you said you're taking that fence out.
Thank you very much. It's the only fence in the block. I think they put it in in 1942. So, uh glad it's coming out. >> That's a fence. No, I just want to clarify one thing if I'm going to be the one >> writing >> particularly if I'm going to be the one writing.
>> So, in terms of the differentiation that you're talking about, you're not talking about that there should be differentiation between the two units of the duplex, are you? >> Well, there I I would hope that that'd be a given.
>> No, between the two side by side. >> I I mean, I don't know that be a given. They're not going to build the same >> No, no, no. He's only building one duplex. >> So what my question is, are you saying that you want the two sides of the
duplex to look different from each other, or are you saying you want it to look different from the duplex down the street? >> What I'm saying is that it should look different than the duplex down the street. But I I I >> accept that you want two different color garage doors.
>> No, no, no. What I'm saying is comparison comparison to the two gown block. >> Yes, >> Mr. That was my question. >> Look at what I have in number four. It says this is similar in construction. Recently constructed a 137 139. There should be architectural differences
between the two. So I'm just simply take a look at 137. Just make sure you're different. >> Okay. You know what levitan looks like, right? >> Yeah. >> No, no comment. Thank you.
>> Actually, I have a question. Um Um Mr. Feka, you said that there's a tenant presently in the existing one family house that's on the property, >> correct? >> Is there a plan down the road to demolish that house and put up a two family there?
>> I would say eventually. Yes. >> That is a single family currently. Correct. Or two. >> Single family. Okay. M Mr. uh Mr. Frasier, I whispered the same thing to uh Maryanne a few minutes ago. I figured that now. Um Mr. Goodman,
I realize we're not talking about that application, but >> Mr. Frasier, I believe that that would actually that could actually be proposed without having to come back to this board. Correct. >> Correct. >> Right. Because we'd be out of >> as of right. So, I encourage my fellow board members to think about that if
there's, you know, something else you want to do with the rest of the lot. Because today the whole lot is in our review. Tomorrow it will not be. >> I assume if we choose to build a two family on that lot, it would comport to
your condition which you set for 137 139 and it should extend to >> 63 >> possible propos. You read it perfectly. Thank you very much. And >> and um
and in with um with that um the uh setback on the existing one family, it's only 14 >> 14 ft 14 ft change. Um,
my question would be now or the future. Um, like good, good enough. Um, will that set back change? >> It will match the
setback of the new dwelling that we're going to >> more importantly it would have to comply. >> Yes. Yes. Yes, >> it would have to comply. >> Okay. >> Is that only for new construction or if it was a renovation,
>> it could be the front wall? >> Well, I'll put it this way. If they wanted to put in building >> Well, but if they wanted to put in a two family, I >> Oh, yeah. >> I think they would have to. >> Yeah, pretty much be. >> But I'd like >> We're going to put in as a condition >> condition.
>> Thank you, Mr. Fraser. there cuz that's uh I was thinking the same thing because I'm going to ask in a different way. >> Um are we compelled to grant the variance? >> What's the varian? >> What's the variance? >> What's the variance? >> Existing nonconformity. That's the
that's the variant. Existing non-conformity. I >> I don't want to start having a debate. My I've always viewed it as if it's an existing nonconformity that's not a variance by definition. >> And I've always to continue it is a variance.
It's a nonconformity. Um, >> right now we don't know and I don't want to get into it. As long as I hear you saying you're going to knock the whole thing down, I'm happy. >> We're going to knock the whole thing down. >> Thank you very much. >> Here's the reality. If he wants to put
in the two family, he's going to put in a nice new two family like the one he's done. >> Different, >> right? But different. >> But different mailboxes, right? >> Yeah. Anyone else? >> We'll put in that it'll not just be
differing from 137 139, but that it will also govern differential bill to the potential possible house that may be built in the future on the other subdivided half of this lot. >> Good word. >> Um,
I have one more question. Uh, Victor's letter. Will you um would you be all right with us putting it in the resolution his recommendations?
>> It'll be a condition of compliance that uh condition of the resolution the applicant comply with the terms of Victor's review letter >> in G. Okay. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Any question? >> Is that okay?
>> Seeing none to the public. >> It's they're they're asking if Leo will comply with the recommendations of Harbor Consultant in their review letter. And usually after Ed testifies, I ask, and he says yes, and then the
client confirms. So, we're confirming first and then we'll have Ed. >> If you want to wait till Ed testifies and call your client back, that's fine, Mr. Goodman. >> Yeah, that'd be best. That's fine. >> And before we go that far, um at this time I'll close the portion of the meeting uh for this witness. Um and I'll
open it up to the general public for any questions. >> Uh yes, can please come up and state your name. >> With me as I'm fighting symptoms, Cheryl Sleski, 59 Second Avenue, directly next door. Okay, we've got a
problem with parking as it is a serious problem. So, I don't know if you guys have a plan to adjust that. You're talking four bedrooms each unit. Yes, that's going to be a problem. That's a lot of people with cars, grown-up kids, whoever. We have problems
now on our suite. Not so much during the day because most of us work for a living, but at night time, oh god, yeah, my neighbors can't get in and out of their driveway. It's a problem. I've had people block my driveway where I've had to call the police. It's a hot mess. And
that's just because we're right off of North Avenue. We got the crossroads behind us and they tend to park on our street all the time for these events and he has them quite frequently. >> Excuse me, Miss Luski. Sure. And I don't want to cut you off in any way, but there is going to be an opportunity for
you to provide testimony and for you to make a statement in favor or opposed to the application. Right now, what we're doing is we're doing questions of the witness. I don't want to cut you off. You'll have a chance to have your say. >> Okay, fair enough. I just I'm I'm concerned if these plans as they are can
be adjusted, tweaked, whatever. I mean, I know it's a big property. There's also a stream. You guys realize that? >> If it rains enough. >> All right. Well, that's okay. That's a question. Do you realize that there's a stream on the property, Mr. Fon?
>> I've not seen a a stream on the property. >> Okay. It's between and and by the way the chain link fence on my side is mine so paid for it 30 years ago I'd like to keep that there. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, fair enough.
>> Anyone else from to address this witness? >> Okay. See with K1 with the EMX witness, Mr. Deck, >> he solemnly swear affirm the testimony you're about to give before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> Okay. Mr. Deck, please. Uh, it's spelled
DEEC, right? >> DC. That's right. >> And what is your address? >> 131 North Michigan Avenue, Kennorth, New Jersey. >> Okay. Mr. Mr. Deck is obviously well known to us, Mr. Goodman, Mr. Deck, are your licenses current? >> Yes, they are. >> And what fields of expertise are you
proposing to testify >> in both uh licensed professional civil engineer and a licensed professional land surveyor? >> Mr. Chairman, I recommend amend that Mr. Deck be qualified as an expert in those two fields. >> Thank you, Mr. Good. >> Mr. Tech, you've submitted plans to the
board. >> Are you going to show them anything that they haven't don't have in front? No, this is what I have here on the poster board and is an exact set of plans or one sheet that's in front of the board. >> Okay. Could you explain to the board
what the existing conditions are of this parcel? Uh um uh I lost the old board in my car, but it's an existing house that would be on if you're standing in the street looking
at the property on the right hand side and uh the uh lefthand side area of the property is vacant. Uh it has uh a lawn uh and the structure the one shield
family structure. >> Yeah. >> You heard the question about the the stream. You visited the site. The surveyors visited the site. >> Yep. >> Can you light everybody? >> Right. There's not a stream per se. However, there may be some sort of swell
that collects runoff uh in the center of the property. uh the plans are designed to create runoff between both the existing structure and the post structure and we will um and I think
it's uh also stated on the plans that we'll make sure that there's no adverse impact from what we construct in the enjoyment properties. Uh can you go through the uh subdivision plan and the whole schedule and outline?
Oh, you don't have it right. Okay. Well, I think the planner does af Excuse me. I just came all the way from Lavallet here and I left my other poster board in the car. I took the wrong one. I apologize. >> And your car's farts
just as well. Uh yeah. Okay. The um on sheet 46 the uh planning report describes what is existing and what we're proposing. There's some existing 16,500 square foot lot. It's dividing 110 ft into two
separate lots at 55 ft each with a depth of 100 ft. Um as you can see in that in that uh chart on sheet 46 of the plans court reforming in both existing and proposed conditions
uh except for the front setback of the existing structure which would be lot uh 5.01 where the front setback which is 1407 and will remain that one. We're not changing that. Uh we're proposing a two
family duplex on the lot called 5.0 >> two and uh it meets all of the uh bulk requirements as far as front setbacks, rear setbacks, and side setbacks. >> And I have to interrupt you. You
testified that the property is 100 ft deep. It's 150, right? >> It's 150 ft deep. So each of the proposed lots will be 55 by 150. Correct. >> That's correct. For a total of 8,250
square ft. That's correct. Um other than that um we are providing some retention designed for the runoff that uh purpose coverage additional purpose coverage is creating. Uh there
are two recharge pits. They're collecting all the roof run off and depositing you into a recharge pit which then fill up in the event depending on a storm event and filter or bubble out to into the street. But those charge recharge pits are designed with a 3-in
runoff off of the building. So once again we uh we are eliminating the height bearings. Correct. >> That's correct. And so that 35 ft which was uh varying is now 32 feet which is in compliance. Correct. >> 32 family. >> So the new lot is fully in compliant
meeting with all the bulk standards of Garwood. Correct. >> Yes. Lot 5.02 the new lot which will be where the new structural baby meets all of the fault requirements. Now, focusing on the question of the of the last
neighbor, uh, can you tell on your plan the length of the driveway in front of the garage? >> I don't have that plan in front of you, unfortunately. But, um, we have >> No, the house they're proposing. What are you proposing? It'll be the uh the
front set back the building will be at uh front set back of 25 ft and the driveways will be uh 25 ft between the property line and the building and another additional 10 ft from the property line to the curb line. >> What's the total length of driving?
>> About 30 ft from curb line. >> So, uh based on the average size car in addition to the garage one place, uh it would be possible to have tandem parking two cars behind each other. in the driveway. Correct. >> That's the intent. That's correct. >> And so with both houses, we're talking
about three cars each >> if the parking situation is critical on the street. Correct. >> It would be. Yes. It would be something that would be probably done. Yeah. To do depending on the size of the cars, but severely could fit a tandem parking
range and one in the garage, one behind the total four cars in the sight. Well, uh, we were we were provided some questions from one of the board members. I'd like to run through them. Uh, this
is with regard to, uh, shade tree stands. Uh, says application states that only one street tree is to be removed. In actuality, two trees of approximately 8 in EBH will have to be removed due to
driveway construction. Lord request requests that trees be replaced in accordance with chapter 138 of the burrow code. We can do that. Yes, we can do that. Yes, we have that. Number two, there's a large sycamore tree in the rear yard. This tree is be protected via
installation of temporary fencing of the area from the drip line of the tree to the trunk. Contractor and cont is is contact >> I'm sorry, I missed a word. The contractor is going to contact the shade tree officer to determine the exact location. That's something you can do. Correct.
>> Yes. >> All right. Number three. The western most street trees lifting the public sidewalk. The affected sidewalk slabs are to be removed and replaced in accordance with the burrow engineer standard for installation of curved sideways around an existing burrow
street. >> Yes. >> And that's also confirmed that they will do. Okay. Site plan standards. A concrete pad large enough to hold two standard garbage recycling containers should be installed in the western side of the existing structure.
>> Mr. Chairman and Mr. Goodman, you can ignore that one since we know the future of that house. >> Okay. Okay. Number two, the front yard chain link fence should be removed in its entirety. We can't do that apparently. >> We can, right?
>> Okay. Okay. So, that's a do. That's a yes. Number three, the water and gas meters are UG. Will there be any exposed meters? >> I assume that means underground, not ugly. >> You are correct. I want to make sure they're not ugly. I mean,
>> uh, they're standard exterior gas meters. >> My gas meters, >> gas meters a lot of times are inside. And I was wondering what you're doing with the electric. >> The electric meter will be on the side of the house. gas company came and moved mine outside.
>> So if they have to be outside if you and I apologize, Mr. Chairman, I go ahead. He said though, um the code requires that they be screened as long as you screen whatever meters are on the side of the house. That would be great. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um Oh, I need to hear
>> as this to FDU. Well, we talked about that earlier. >> That >> two family dwelling unit. >> Is that what that say? >> That's what it means. >> Then number five, >> right? >> The board recommended and the applicant at 137 139 Second Avenue agreed to push the
front yard set back a few feet to provide adequate depth for additional parking spaces in the driveway. Does the applicant in this application wish to do the same? If so, the construction drawings reflect desire if one. What do you remember the depth of that?
>> Pardon? >> Do you remember the depth of that tri? >> Well, they I don't remember what they ended up with, but Mr. Deck, if if I may, I I think we're on the same page in terms of intent. There's no disagreement. Let's just make sure we know that we are on the same page. So, the setback is 25 ft. Car space is 18.
So, I always go by 18 and 18. That's 36. All right. So, if you got 25 and you got the two between the property line and the sidewalk, that's 27. Um I don't really want the car blocking the sidewalk. >> Right.
>> So uh Mr. Bonseka I don't know exactly what and I certainly we discussed it as Craig as you said we discussed it at 135 137. Does anybody remember how far back we actually went to in order to allow because I don't think we went back to
full 36 but I think we went back a little bit because 25 is not enough. 32 30 >> 16 maybe 32 feet almost two cars in the driveway that
not that way but as the testified well the parking is horrendous in that area of room to plenty of room you got 150 foot depth >> yeah so um >> if you can
coordinate with Harbor to agree that we will set it up so that there is twocar tandem parking allowed in the driveway. >> Right. So then so that garage just took the words out of my head. So So that understands there's actually
going to be three parking spaces for each of these houses. So on the side each unit >> houses whatever you want to call them units side by side duplex units single family attached unit
we all good it's going to be >> it's going to have three parties >> that the house will be set back farther enough per harbor consultants to enable
two carves to be parked tand of style in the driveway. >> And we have no rear yard problem created by that. Right, Mr. D? >> No, we don't. We have approximately another 25 ft 30 ft >> because it's 150 ft deep, right?
>> But we have movement. >> Okay, good. So, Mr. Chairman, as I had hoped, reduced the time a little bit. I'm happy. Thank you very much. Men, thank you very much for running through that. >> Okay. Uh I think just picking up from Victor Bengra's report and I'll read
this to you Ed for your comment. The overflow for each pit is proposed with discharge of the curb. The bottom of the curb elevation is approximately 8 point 81.1 to 81.50. However, the invert out shown on the
detail is 79. This invert out is below the invert of the curve. The applicant shall provide both things. >> Right. the uh the inverts really should be the bottom or of the pits themselves. Those pipes that are shown coming in and out of the recharge pit are actually
just below surface grade and they would be high enough to discharge out to the curb. Next comment is from Victor. There are no storage calculations provided for each pit to understand how much storage is proposed. It is recommended that the
applicant design each seepage pit to collect 3 in of the storm water over the roof area. Calculations shall be shown on the plane. >> Yes, the way they were designed, but I haven't shown them. >> Okay. And finally,
the applicant shall verify that any standing water remaining within each seepage pit shall drain in less than 72 hours. >> We would have to do a soils analysis to deter that. And we're going to do that. Yes, we will. Prior to
>> add in summary, are you able to comply with all of the recommendations that are set forth in the Harper Consultants letter? >> Yes. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Chairman. I don't have any further questions. Yeah, >> thank you. I'll open it up to you can
go. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Um, I just had a question regarding the recharge pits. Are these designed to also accommodate water from the existing house site or is this just for the new development? >> Just for the new development.
>> Okay. So, it's not addressing any of the the loss in the overall um with the increase in imperous coverage for the overall site. It's just focused on this site >> on our new 5.02. >> Okay.
Well, let's jump right then into that. Mr. Goodman, is the applicant prepared to commit that at the time of any future redevelopment of the existing one family house that he will make uh similar
compliance with the drainage issues as set forth in the harbor letter as applicable to that lot? Is great. Thank you. >> Um Jen, >> um to the applicant, um do you have any
sort of timeline in terms of should uh this pass uh construction would start and how long? I mention only because the burrow will be looking to is planning on uh paving that piece of the road and I
imagine it's hard to give a timeline but it most likely would be either summer or fall and so I you know we have worked around with construction before but so do you have any sort of idea? >> I do. If everything goes according to
plan and ranking approval, I would start as would be as possible. >> Okay. >> On the one meeting, >> right? Um any idea how long construction? >> I would say roughly about five months start to finish. >> Okay.
>> For Strawford. So it might be something that we have to take into consideration when we >> had to coordinate with Mike Disco for utilities that done at the beginning of the project or the >> that's done like we set the foundation
and then we run the utilities from the road right into the foundation. >> That should be done early of the five months. >> Yes, that would be done within the first month of construction. >> Okay, good. >> Okay, anyone's from the grid? Any
questions? Mr. >> Yes, Mr. Fac, I just want to thank you very much for um I'm not a big fan of uh fences being run down, you know, the way the length of the properties. I keep mentioning Levittown. If anybody's from Levittown, I apologize, but you know, if
you've ever seen an aerial, you know what it looks like. Fence, it's fenced, fence. So, I'm very I appreciate very much. I think you're the first developer to actually say, "We're just going to run it down halfway or a quarter of the way, 40 feet, whatever, and leave the rest of it open." I think that's terrific. Um, I also am not a fan of
vinyl plastic fencing. So, I would ask Mr. Chairman as if we write the resolution that we say 6 foot, but we don't say vinyl and we leave that up to you. Preferred that's up to you.
>> Okay. >> Uh, who wants more vinyl? >> Any environment will prefer wood over plastic. Yeah. >> And and the whole idea of maintenance, I think we all know that that doesn't exist.
>> Don't specify then it'll be up for the >> Yeah. >> I do have questioning the road. Um if that gets done say before if I do the second dwelling, >> is there a moratorum on the road? >> There is. Um I think we're at five right
now, right? Yes, I think we're still at the 5ense for me to put a curb stop in prior to paving. >> Yes. >> And then that would eliminate that situation. >> That's uh I don't know.
>> Yeah, that would make sense. >> Enough that >> explain to everyone. >> You would go would tap in if we need a new sewer line and water line, we would tap into the water line and bring it past the curb. So then when they pave we
don't have to >> recommend that. So you'll be sitting here idle. >> Exactly. >> Yes. Very very good. >> Would be appreciated. >> Disco get real station with him would be good.
Yeah. >> As well. Yes. >> Yep. Exactly. >> Yeah. Curb cuts as well. The driveway. >> The board. Yeah. Yeah, but it is correct because he's out the driveway. He's certainly going to go into to the right
ofway. So that that might actually end up being an issue, but I understand. Yeah, let's let's leave that to the the engineers. Mr. Deck, Mr. Disco, you guys can >> TJ. >> Yeah. Question for the applicant. Um, I actually had the privilege of walking
through the single dwelling that's existing there because I'm a real estate agent. I think it's a fantastic old house. >> It is. Uh it's structurally it's amazing. But my question is was the discovery process before closing was there a tank sweep done for the entire lot cuz it's a double.
>> There was. Yes. >> And nothing was found. >> Nothing was found. >> Okay. Good. >> We're running into that. >> Got it. >> On some of the older house cuz I know that was a what 1909 I think the year was the year built of that single family. >> I'm not sure. >> It's over a hundred years I think. So, I
was just curious about that. If you know a survey or a scan was done of the entire lot, >> we we do it on any properties pick up, we do complete scans to make sure no surprises. >> Okay, TJ. Anything else? Anybody else?
Another board. See, I'll open up the public for questions of this particular witness. And please state your name of address. Good evening everybody. Joseph Golden, 252nd Avenue in Garwood. Been a resident
in this town for over 46 years. And as we all know, parking can be a problem. We have each unit with two spots in a driveway, if I'm correct, plus the garage, which is great, three. But what if the people start using? My problem is
with the combination of the cars in the driveway, too, and the garage three. But four bedrooms. I can't quite figure that one out because I'm close to like 33A and B that duplexes recently put up on us. They only have or allowed two
bedrooms in there. There is a third room on a second floor, but it is not considered a bedroom because there is no closet. How are you going to put four bedrooms in that house? That's a big concern with me. And in a few years down the road, you're going to
have more cars possibly with that family because the kids are going to be getting old enough to drive. What are they going to do? And then when the house next door, the original house gets knocked down and they put another duplex in. What's going to happen there? I mean, by then hopefully I'll be in a senior
citizens complex someplace. I'm getting there quickly. And uh that's a big concern with me. How can the ones right near me be only allowed two bedrooms and yet this developer could put four? That's it. It's all I have to say.
>> Thank you. Bruce comes. >> Uh good evening chair, ladies and gentlemen, members, professionals and applicants. Bruce Patterson, 325 Willow Avenue. I apologize. I came in late so I missed most of this but you were talking
about inverts of the outfall from the water I guess retention basins or whatever's underground and then the mayor mentioned about uh paving coming along. I'm just wondering if the inverts were taken in account with the thickness addition of the paving. So thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you Mr. D. Would you want to address it? >> That would be another condition of Mr. Vinc is uh what he's putting in those stubs for the different utilities and the press curb for future use. We make sure that there's an opening in the curb
for those uh recharge pits to exit. >> Okay. Thank you. See closing portion of the meeting. Okay. For discussion let the public speak. >> And Mr. Mr. Goodman, first of all, you have no other witnesses. That's your
case, correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. And then at this time, I'll ask for general comments if uh someone from the public would like to speak. >> Daryl Celeleski, 59 Avenue. >> Miss Celeleski, have you sworn? >> Yes. >> Do you solemnly swear or affirm testimony you're about to give before
this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Absolutely. Um, I do personally have a problem with the four bedrooms each. That's a lot of people. And and again, the property which Joe referred to, which is closer to him, that was a
double lot. Like Miss Nitra's house, um, I've known her for years. I'm there 30 years. I grew up in Garb, but I'm in my house next door for 30 years. I'd like to stay there, but if it's going to be I I I've got a deck in the back. I love my
yard. I need some quality of life. That's been challenging over these years as it is. And with four bedrooms, how many people are we looking at? And you know, everybody says, "Oh, well, they're not going to rent out. They're not going to do anything illegal." That that's
non-existent today, unfortunately. So, I'd like to see that number change. I personally like a two-bedroom for that, you know, and that's that's stretching it for me, but I get it. They're they're in it to make money. I get it. But I just think it's four
bedroom is ridiculous. And I think the parking is going to be an inevitable problem and the rain water we've got. Oh, it floods on a bad day. So just say that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you.
Anyone else? at the same meeting and open up for discussion among members. >> Mr. Chairman, um I I believe I heard what Mr. G said that the 3739 was
limited to three. I think they came in proposing three. I don't think we limited them. But is there a discussion on the board for bedroom that you're doing? Is there discussion with your client about four bedroom versus threebedroom? Yeah. >> Yeah. We haven't really seen
>> We haven't seen all of them. That's correct. >> While we're looking at that, I'm just going to speak my fellow board member for a minute, Mr. Biano. As a realtor, I assume there's a difference between a sizable substantial sale difference. We should I know I
should be asking that question. Um but uh three bedroomedroom and four bedroomedroom >> there is especially with the number of bathrooms I mean you guys will be fine there but you know once you add on another bedroom it kind of depends on the space because you can add on another bedroom but if it's a 9 by9 bedroom it
may not bring nearly as much value as three sizable bedrooms you know so it kind of depends you know with a side by side if they're both four bedrooms you know you could open it up to a larger market of people that are looking for that number of bedrooms. But, you know,
to your point or I guess to everyone's point, you you could also benefit from having three larger bedrooms and having two and a half baths. Um, but I I I understand what they're proposing. The more bedrooms and baths that you can put into a space, the
more attractive it is to, you know, a larger amount of people and sale value, yes, usually typically would be higher. >> So, Mr. Facco, what are the side of these buttons? Master bedroom two bedroom. >> So that's so
>> it is three. I I was surprised to hear four each of those units because on that >> a side by side >> I was like how are let's >> Okay, so it's three bedrooms so six bedrooms total.
>> Yes, that's apparently it >> my mom's looking for. >> And how many how many bathrooms now? So there is there is that >> you said >> there's three >> just so we know >> the second floor the boards I'll pass
this around but the second floor is bedrooms laundry area and uh a master bath >> a bathroom a whole bathroom and then walking closet >> what what's closet >> and the first floor is red is living
area >> and then the basement has a bathroom also >> basement Yeah. >> So, it's three and a half. >> So, it's a full bath in the basement. >> Yeah. Three and a half. >> Primary floor, half bath. >> Half bath >> and second floor, two full bath. >> Full bed. >> So, it's still three and a half. >> Three bedroom.
>> Wow. That's full. >> Three bedrooms, three and a half baths. >> Three bedrooms. >> Can you sell that? A lot of a lot of options for the bathroom. >> And so, we're talking about three bedrooms now. Three parking spaces. >> Yeah. >> Three bedrooms, three parking spaces, >> which makes me feel more comfortable.
>> Sorry. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That seems much more >> even if you have, you know, >> adult children. >> I know. I was like, that's a big was a big deal.
>> All right, let's comply, you know. >> Yes. Yes. Okay. So, we we still get more parking spaces and now with the three bedrooms. >> Okay. >> I think it it's better.
>> Okay. >> Possibly push it back a little bit >> for that second space. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any further discussion among your board members? >> Would the intent on the other property be the same threebedroom, three bedroom?
>> Yes. It's going to be written. >> So, it be written. >> The one question I didn't ask, but Victor had in his notes with regard uh landscaping. Um
uh are you going to submit a landscaping plan or is it going to be additional landscaping? There will be uh foundation plantings to cover up the foundation along the front. >> Uh and we also always put a couple of shade trees in. Um
>> there's a special type of shade like >> um >> well according to what you did to you're agreeing to chapter 138 of the barrel code. So but you just agreed to that. >> Yes. Yeah, I'm just saying there is
Victor did make a you know a recommend or made a comment uh with regard to additional landscaping. >> Okay. So, we've heard we've tonight we've heard um all the input from the
board and from the public. Um you've agreed to all resolutions that we've discussed and that'll be formalized by our uh our lawyer Don Fasia. um and be signed off by by you as well. So, uh I
don't have any further questions. I'll just ask one more time of the board if they have any questions, comments of this application. >> Yes. Well, it's on the prints. I mean, that's what they're building. >> Yeah.
Um any other questions? No. Seeing none. Okay. Seeing none, um then I'm going to ask for a motion. >> I'll make that motion. >> What is that motion? >> Are we?
>> Yes. With all inclusion resolutions that were discussed tonight and will be put into a formalized um written document that will be signed off by the contractor as well as by the bureau. >> All right. Just >> specifically. Specifically,
>> the applicant has to comply with everything in the recommended conditions document that Bill circulated with the exception of the concrete pad for the garbage retainer containers which Bill withdrew. The applicant's going to comply with everything in Victor's
review letter. the provisions that have been discussed relative to the new two family dwelling that's proposed to be constructed today will apply with
equal force to future development of the >> new subdivided lot where the existing house presently is. Thank you. I don't have the >> 501. >> 501. Thank you. In front of me, but
it'll apply with equal force to that. And the house is going to be moved back to a sufficient depth from the street subject to the approval of Harbor Consultants to enable two cars to be parked tandem on each half of the
driveway, not counting the garage, be pushed back far enough so that there will be two outside cars parked on either side of the duplex in front. Another addition architecturally the future
needs to have some variation from >> yes for now. >> Yes, that would that would apply and that's >> set forth in >> number four >> bills item number four. Uh and that will apply to both halves of this.
>> That's I think the motion. >> Okay. >> Oh, >> so we have a motion. I stand subdivision. >> Oh, the subdivision. >> Granty subdivision. Yeah, >> grant the subdivision. >> We didn't say that. >> The application has submitted. Yeah, >> but we didn't say that.
>> And if if you'd like to throw in just specifically, it's a threebedroom. That would be submitted. Three bedrooms. >> Okay. With that, we want a motion um by Miss Bat. Uh do I hear a second? >> Second.
>> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Blumentock. >> I. Miss Lysac, >> hi. >> Councilwoman Biano, >> hi. >> Chair Greet, >> hi. >> Miss Veagio, >> hi. >> Mr. Nearest, >> hi. >> Mr. Barkin, >> hi. >> Miss Haye, >> I
>> and Mr. McCarrick. Motion carries. >> Okay, carries. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, with that I'm going to open up um finally to um to to
the board for the public to uh William on anything that they would like to bring up concerning the planning board. >> Seeing none. >> Seeing none, I'll close up the trees on the property. There's a
huge dying ash. It's been dying for years and limbs have fallen off of that into my property. In fact, when I have tree work done, I pay for it to get chopped. That's going to go. And there's another one that's >> going the sycamore in the back is being
preserved. >> Okay. Which one is the sycamore? Is that >> the back? It's got It's got like white It's got like white bark on it. >> Okay. Okay. There's another one on the property in the middle. That one's going to go also. >> If it's in the middle. Yeah. That's going >> okay. Fair enough.
>> Thank you. Anyone else? >> Thank you, Chair. Greet, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen board, Bruce Patterson, 325 Willow Avenue. uh and professionals of course. But anyway, I I'm not sure moving forward, but but I
spoke at the council uh about pilots on the uh paperboard project. Uh maybe nothing was even formalized yet. So, but I'm just going to throw out uh my comments. Uh obviously, the uh lawsuit is done. Uh I'm not too happy hearing
what we did. Uh we went through round four and you were being gentle enough with them uh giving them an additional 57 units I think it was through round four. >> That's incorrect but we can >> maybe 51 units. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but anyway, but but you
know, they had the uh I think it was some uh storage facility that fell through twice and so round four came along and and you were nice enough to take care of them further by giving those 51 57 units. Then of course they
took it they took the town to uh a lawsuit and I guess through negotiations it ended up that there was another 30 approximately added. So now you're sitting with 100 uh 212 units on that property.
Uh I think somewhere I saw it was mentioned that there was like possibly splitting it into two different buildings. one from the round three and the other for the uh uh senior housing. Uh round three has a pilot obviously. I
don't I don't know if that's thrown out the window yet. You know, this is all vague at this point. But I guess my question is moving forward pilots very detrimental. As you know, we
had the pilots over at the Vermela. It ends up that the uh property taxes now revenue from the rentals and and we're actually only gaining about 60% of the revenues coming into the burrow
from the veras um you know where regular existing homes you know actually 100% revenue uh based on property taxes the moving forward
case was just confirm if pilots were actually discussed. if they weren't discussed then I guess moving forward I'll be talking more about that that basically you should not be giving pilots or at the most maybe a five-year pilot
just to get them through the initial hump of giving affordable housing units for whatever this new complex is going to be. So, I mean, I I just like some assurance that no pilots were actually
discussed during the court case. Uh, you were nice enough, like I said, round four and then they forced the town to give them even more units. So, at this point, they don't deserve pilots. I've I've expressed the same thing at the council meeting. I'll probably talk
about it again at the planning board, but just some assurance that you didn't discuss pilots. Thank you. Well, well, the board was not part of that litigation, Bruce. >> Oh, pilot discuss. >> The board was part of that litigation, Bruce. >> The mayor was what?
>> That's a subject for mayor and council. This is the planning board, Bruce. >> Well, the mayor's sitting here. I mean, she could easily assure us. >> Taking the comment. We got it. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. With that, do I hear a motion to adjurnn?
>> Mr. Hold on. Kathy, do you want to mention food trucks? >> Yeah, that's right. After that, you wanted to talk about that. >> Bill, you can mention food trucks. >> You're on the committee. >> Oh, you know more about it.
>> Well, uh several months ago, >> um >> we looked at the food truck >> um ordinance uh uh we didn't have a a food truck
ordinance. Uh we're looking at at at a a new ordinance. We have a draft. Uh we anticipate um having it here next month. That's it. Yeah.
>> A lot shorter than I lot shorter than I would have said. >> Really? Tammy hasn't said this. Okay. But you know I I call her now the the queen of the audiences. um uh she's uh taking the food trucks on and uh you think that's an easy ordinance. There's no such thing
as an easy ordinance. You find out, you know, what's involved. Steve will tell you about the ice cream trucks and you know, you find out, you know, want to have food trucks on their own property. How do you regulate that? Everything is complicated. So Kathy is being very simplistic there, but there's a lot of
time. We sat for what two and a half, three hours the other the other day. So these things take time. What I just handed out though was something. Um I had seen this uh you know everybody knows me well enough. You know I'm
bicycling and um uh trying to I never have a problem finding a parking space. I always say as you know, but what I just handed out, okay, is that other townships have actually adopted ordinances um requiring parking spaces
just as um I'm park I say parking calling bicycle parking spaces just as they require one of the parking spaces. So um I have mentions to the chairman and I do apologize to him for getting this to you as late as I have. Um but
I'm not asking for an action on this. So, I'm asking if if the board members would review this. It is requiring a provision of bicycle parking at commercial uh for commercial applications. You'll see the starts off with, you know, the
typical why we're doing it. Uh gets into um these the standards to two things. You know, there are regulations from which you need a variance that that's that's a that's a a higher uh requirement. when you have the design standards, which is not a variance, but
they're in here, too. I just ask that as you go through it to take track, take key keep in mind what would be variance uh or a a regulation and what would be a design standard. Other than that, Mr. Chairman, that's it. Um uh this does not apply. You'll see there's a specific
exemption one and two families. This is for larger developments uh where they require they would provide bicycle parking just like they require automobile parking and and that's it Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Bill. I appreciate that. Um yeah, if you would take a take
a look at it and u we're not necessarily going to do it next meeting, but over the next um let's say two meetings or three meetings. We can discuss this further and maybe make a motion to go forward with some kind of a um um an ordinance or whatever. Well, that'd be
great. Mr. Chairman, this is my first draft. I'm sure there's typos or what have you. If anybody wants to get if anybody wants to assist me in making this a better I look forward to getting you together to Adele so that she could
circulate >> electronically not electronically. >> Yeah. >> Was that Kathy list? Uh that is very section 3 col 41. >> Thank you. And motion to adjourn.
>> I just want sorry just wanted to let everybody know because I'm not sure um everybody does know the ordinances that we were supposed to discuss tonight on affordable housing. Uh we the council is pushing back to the next meeting. So
they will come before the planning board uh in the February meeting. >> Okay. Thank you. Um okay with that >> we already have a motion in second. >> All right again.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Great. >> So please hold your information on 400 spruce stab.