I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thanks everybody.
All righty. First thing is approval agenda. Addition instruction correction to agenda. If not, let me make a motion to approve. Make a motion to approve the second. >> Second. All >> in favor say I. I oppose. Motion carried. Approval of the minutes from
July 14th public hearing and the council minutes from July 25th special council minute meeting minutes. Any questions on that? And anything denoted? If not, let me make a motion to approve.
>> Make a motion to approve. >> Someone to second. >> I will second those. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I oppose. Motion carried. Approval of the bills checks 18536 to 18569. Electronic transfers from 5692
to 569. And another payroll transfer of 5001 1888 to 500 195. Any questions on that? If not, somebody make a motion. Make a motion and approve.
A second. >> I'll second that. All >> in favor? >> I motion carries. Eminem insurance. Chad. >> I don't have a last >> Chad if we can real quick just uh state your name, what you're here. You're
representing just because we're recording it and we want everybody to know. >> Yeah. shout out from an Eminem insurance owner presenting the renewal for the city. >> Thank you. >> Insurance program. So um
we basically uh through inflation have increased property coverage about 490,000 um right to property 10 million property
workers compensation payroll was up just a little bit year over year but the the rates have dropped work comp rates decreased by an average 20% depending on the class. So, uh the
premium savings uh just on the work comp was about $2500 year over year. >> Do we have like two or three different classes, Jed? Do we have two or three different classes? >> Um what do we have? We have >> have clerical and then maintenance and
then like Brian >> there's a lot more than that. This is um I got that >> they have >> and then this this would include uh workman's comp for the firemen also if
they got hurt on the call right >> elected official fire advisor general maintenance um all those >> so like clerical what Does that have now?
>> Yeah. That's only like what 1.5 >> 44 cents. >> 44 cents. Yeah. Okay. >> The highest class of course is firefighter. >> Yep. And how do you determine what rate to put on them? What they receive at the
end of the year >> as far as payroll? >> No, they rates it by the sitting population. That's how the league rates it. We're under 2,000. So everybody pays the same rate per firefighter. >> Oh, any city under 2,000 >> the race
>> way up north or down here, same thing. Okay. >> And the only way that rate changes is based on the class u loss experience of that class of business and how they get injured or whatever gets injured. The firefighting class is a hard one because
uh they don't know real payroll numbers. >> Volunteer firefighters. You could have a firefighter that makes $10,000 a year. Then you have one that makes $500,000 a year. If one of them gets injured, we pay whatever they're missing for wages, not what they're getting paid at the firefight, you know.
>> So, what rate are they at? Like 25 30 >> uh let's see, they at 25 per Would it be per for per call or is it how or it have to be based on the dollar
amount? >> The number I mean you could rate anything you wanted just based on numbers. It's all about how you calculate it. And the league uh they've been doing this for years. Um, so the overall work comp premium is
$7,000 and my math. The next highest class is uh general maintenance which is because again it's so generalized that it's not specific. You
know if somebody was doing something specific you could get maybe a better rate >> because it's just it's not those classes aren't just based on good thunder. They're it's >> absolutely they're based on everybody. >> Yeah. And then you have what's called an experience modification. Yeah. The state gives you
>> once you reach a certain level of premium. And our modification here has been doing pretty good. We're at um we're right at 93. >> I was going to say 97.
>> We're pay we're paying 07 less than 7% less than everybody else throughout the whole work comp portion of it. haven't had a a work, knock on wood, somebody work comp claim since 2014.
But for those that don't know, we have a work comp claim still open from 1998. >> Yeah. >> That we pay every month >> for never ends >> for the lifetime. >> Um unless they can settle with them.
>> Is it? So when you said general maintenance, are you talking Eli, Brian, and Kell these When we do the audit, they break down how the payroll comes through and that's how it goes through. >> So, um, when you're doing the payroll,
as precise as you can be, that's the most accurate, >> right? >> Who's the one from 1998? >> Can't say that. >> Oh, you can't. Okay. >> Couldn't say it. >> Oh, okay. I didn't know if it was public watch or not. >> I don't think No. Um, no.
>> Okay. I don't believe that's probably some privacy issues. I never really bring up names with claims. So I suppose you could ask Sue maybe if we could protocol >> not. No. >> Yeah.
>> So >> yeah. Any other questions on that? >> You said the properties went up how much percent because of the cost of inflation? 480,000 roughly about 489 to be precise which is about um
on $10 million is what 4%. >> Okay, >> that's just the cost of construction and whatnot. >> Overall, the premium is 35,124. Last year was 38,798.
So, $36,000 lower. Um, like I said, the work comp mod is 0.93. Uh, liability, uh, experience mod is right at one. So, that's exactly at one. We were at 0.9 before. I'll explain that in a minute. Our auto experience modification is
still 0.95, which is 5% less the average city, uh, which is good. We do have two ongoing liability claims, which is why the liability experience mod is one. >> This bond for $250,000.
Is that mainly for Sue and her? >> Yeah, it's a fidiciary bond. Uh I believe is that what we have it here? >> I don't. >> It's because of her position and the information she knows about everybody.
Right. That's money has to do with uh handling finances and what >> okay >> last year's dividend was 1578. So that means that you got that much money back uh because of your claims history and your amount of premium you pay and and
the league and how they operate. Think of it like a like a mutual insurance company. It's basically a mutual insurance company, the league is, which means it's owned by its policy holders. Uh the mutual companies typically never send dividends out to
their policy holders though because in order to grow, they have to have a surplus while the league doesn't have to operate within those same rules that mutual do within the state of Minnesota. of taking your money back to the essence the municipalities.
>> Do you see that the commercial line of insurance like this is staying cheaper than like home homeowners insurance? To me, some of that homeowners insurance is off the wall. >> Yeah. It's close to unaffordable. >> Yeah.
Because this is pretty practical. Yeah, the uh you know we've seen big difference between a commercial customer and a personalized customer. A personalized customer is going to call you when they get a dent better and a commercial lines customer
is not going to do that. >> That's right. >> I mean that's as simple as I can put it. >> And the homeowners are direct their claims because of their claims. >> They don't want to u care for what I say here. Um, many can't
there's not as many people, younger people living in the same house for many, many years. So, they they're looking at selling it in five years. So, how can they best increase their value? Well, if you have dents in their gutters and >> dents in their sighting, it's going to
be harder to sell even though putting on new is not necessarily going to make it any better. It's just not. >> Yeah. >> And the insurance company's been paying for it for three years, but now they've made some adjustments. Yep. Roofs, certain insurance companies won't even insure a house now because if the roof's
over like 25 years old or something. >> Yeah, that I got insured all over the map. I mean, I've had two insurers leave the state completely. Um, and I've had uh Yeah, I mean, if you tell me you was 5 years old, I could tell you, you know, five carriers that wouldn't do that or
want to do that or >> they're just all over spreading their risk and >> um >> Yeah. No, this >> just a cost of a roof though, just to to show you was in 2020, I looked up a claim not too long ago and I think we
were paying about 360 a square. I think the most recent one I got was like 750 shingles, regular shingles. So that would be why your insurance goes double. Now we're paying double in the claims. I mean, that's how for most
companies, that's how it works. >> Yeah. All right. No, I think this this is very practical. It's been in line. >> I mean, you know, again, the league's been lucky. You haven't had any um tornadoes come through and wipe out a city. You know, the the
wind and stuff and a lot of times the city buildings per wind are better than a regular house or something. So, that helps. And we haven't had any um you know major auto claims or had different ones where
>> how would you gets t-boned? I mean that's a half a million dollars. >> How would you put a value on that water tower being it's so old and to replace it? They do replacement cost now and I don't I don't have it on the the league comes out and does one every five years
u I should say five to seven years depending on availability but they evaluate those based on what they normally cost. >> Oh really? Yeah. >> I can I can get that list over to Sue because we have we update that every
year with the um schedule of property and where it's at. Do they go by what you you say when you're renewing that piece of property, this piece of property? You know, do you have to give a report saying, "Well, it's in a little disarray. It needs some upkeep or no.
>> Uh if they believe that something's different, they'll ask me, but I mean, unless I think that we need more insurance on something or whatever, we don't have any questions from them for us."
>> Okay. specifically. They're not other than again if they do their inspection every five to seven years, they hope to keep up with inflation to a certain degree. Plus, they have an inflation writer on there on the policy. So, they're already doing it. That's why occasionally after five years
or seven years when they do the inspection, we will see properties sometimes go a little bit down. And the only reason that is is because the inflation rental was a little too high on that particular structure. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. you know, and they're they're they're doing I mean, we use three
different valuations at our office. There's probably more about like E2 value uh for building cost estimators. Marshall Swift back, a lot of people have heard of that. Core Logic is our other one that we typically use for structures and uh you know, they can
they're pretty close, but sometimes they can be whack, too, you know. >> All right. Well, sounds good to me. Anybody else with questions? the um e excess uh umbrella >> we have to so the excess limit is that liability policy that you actually have to make a motion and approve at every
once a year at a city council me and what that means is that there's a statute in Minnesota that says you can only sue a city or municipality for a certain dollar figure um 500,000 um so if say a fire truck's coming down
and gets sue going to a fire and uh she can't walk again. She can only get $500,000 from the city policy. What this does is wave that and adds another million dollar of coverage. >> How about the cyber for $250,000? What
does that cover? >> How much? >> Just a line item. They've added they've added some uh all policies commercial and homeowner policies added that just kind of provide some fluff but if you
coverage it doesn't cover much >> okay >> you know >> that's right >> basic notification maybe of of people that were attacked. So, um, most of the attackers are going to attack your computer system and they're going to
say, um, yes, you send us 50,000 Bitcoin and we'll give you your access back to all your city residents social security numbers. You know, that's not going to provide that's going to maybe notify them that somebody else has their social security number, but it's not going to replace
the 50,000, you know, Bitcoin that you got to pay the extortion money or whatever that. >> Wow. All right. With that being said, then somebody want to make a motion to approve. What was it? >> Waiver of the tort limit. >> Waiver of the tort limit.
>> And one other thing. I think Sue had a question. I know um you had emailed Lisa. Maybe what was that question again if you want to maybe bring it up please? >> Sure. So the question was um there's a track in the woods by the school out there. Um so the question is what is the
city's liability? Um, is it something that we >> Does the city own it? >> I'm pretty sure >> we established that probably oh probably 15 >> 20 years ago. It's right on the >> ball field in the woods.
>> Oh, but that park was part of the city. >> It's a It's right where the ballpark is. It's in reality tied to that. >> So it wouldn't be any different than anything else, would it? >> Wouldn't be any different than the softball field. No. any property that the city owns, the parks, anything. I mean, again, the
liability is uh you word always negligent. You got to be responsible for somebody getting injured. Like, you know, I don't know if you u put a rake down and somebody's supposed to be running, they step on it. Well, that's somebody did that or put a you know ring
there or if you um don't have the proper I mean on a unfortunately on a crack like that or if there's a lot of heels or something if somebody gets injured and they the lawyer calls them
there's going to be something because some lawyer might say well you should have railings up all around this thing. You know, every lawyer is a personal injury lawyer now. So, >> yeah, >> it just depends on the situation. >> But now, can the but the city can't
control I mean to a point because I know I've heard that back in the day kids were bringing shovels and and building these little hills and stuff like that. So, how what is the liability then for that if I mean so is the city supposed to go back out there then and make sure that we're not that there aren't any hills up there?
>> Well, you got to do your due diligence. saying like somebody checks it once a week or once a month or whatever you figure it out >> that it seems like it's in good working order I guess. I don't know. >> Pete for originally did that and uh it was a pretty good hit for a long time
and then it kind of just went on its wayside now. Yeah, you can see where there's kids there's clay hills in there. They they'd had pretty tough digging unless you've seen them. I I haven't >> I walked it when we noticed some some uh kids down there and they're they're
adding a little bit of lip to the jump, but they're not making major modifications. So, >> well, here's one then for you. >> You just don't want to make sure people don't go down there and put rocks or somewhere to, you know, whatever they could put or dig holes where somebody could really get into the deb. I don't
>> that's all you can do. Just it's it's like uh you know some cities have ponds or whatever. Yeah. >> You put water sign but what else? You can't just stand there say can't go in the water. >> Is it something as simple as you need to put a you know use at your own risk type
sign. >> Put a sign up that says you know this is you know you're you're biking at your own risk or something. I mean it can only help. I'm not saying that would be the end. >> I mean would something would probably better than nothing >> right? It's kind of like uh you know you
go down to a softball field right and you say there's a smoke engine going on somebody trips over first base >> it's on the premises was first base perfectly secured but at some point you are you know basically entering at your own risk or you know you're taking that
on yourself >> because there is no common sense in today's world any >> well again today versus 10 years ago there's a lot of PI lawyers I'm just telling you I mean that's >> uh just back to your point >> Robert about insurance. The shoot has
already fell on liability. It's hard to get liability insurance right now commercially or personally >> really. >> You have it, keep it and buy more if you can, but you it's hard. >> How about if the city ever had a retention pond for storm water? Would there be a bigger liability there or
>> be the same concept? You'd want to I mean like the schools retention ponds out there at the new school in Mapleton, they just put signs. >> Okay. you know that there's this is deep water. There's not it's not two feet deep, you know. >> So, here's >> I still see kids,
you know, I live near there, so I see kids, you know, six, seven, eight years old and they're going down there when the ice is, you know, it's iced, but they have a a fountain in not a fountain, but aator in there, and it's like that's not you can't walk over that.
>> No. >> So, then they got to run over there and tell them, you know, >> here's one other question. And so down there on the ballpark hill on Chapel Street where the warming house is. >> Yeah. >> Private property on the north side, Chapel Street here, city property over
here. When you have a kid running a motorcycle and jumping the street and landing on city property, if he wipes out, is the city liable? >> No. I would say no. >> Okay. Because it shouldn't be doing it start. Exactly.
But it's it's some of them things that come up >> different than they do it right here. I mean >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> I think any signage you can put up is good. I mean it can only help if something happens. Other than that, I mean hard
>> on that BMX thing. Would we just get some signs in right at your own risk? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Not responsible for anything. City not >> responsible for personal injury. >> Yeah. >> There you go. Yeah. use at your own risk or partake. >> I mean, we didn't even think about this
when we had the hot drinks down there and all that kind of stuff. That was dangerous. I mean, how many people broke their legs or >> Yep. >> because it was common sense. >> It changed the world. >> Yeah. >> So, where were we at in our motion? >> Um, I'll make the motion to um approve
the um tort limit. >> Second waiver favor to limit. >> Somebody to second. I'll second it. All in favor say I. and post. Motion carried. Anything else for Chad? If not, thank you. >> And next step is you turn this over to
the league and then the league sent us the bill, right? >> Yeah. So, we we automatically renew it. It's bound coverage. I don't even know when the date is. I don't I honestly don't because they we just kind of right away because sometimes the league's slow when they're underwriting. I've been at meetings here before in November and the
renewal I know is September or August. So, August 8 is the war. So yeah, like I said, three, four months behind, depends, you know, >> just like anybody else, the league goes through employees and stuff gets left in
behind, >> right? >> So we just buying the coverage, right? You know, >> there's not really many. I mean, the league is such a much of another service. We actually have another company that would write them, but they're just not they don't have the
coverage and the flexibility that >> I think we've asked this before. you know, in a small town like this to provide health care for two employees. Is the league still looking at trying to get uh health care? >> I have not heard that from them. I have heard that the the friend now as for
employers is uh these RAS. Have you heard of them? >> Incrac. And that is basically uh don't know what the law would be on the cities doing that. I would think it'd be the same as an employer, but
that basically you can just give an amount of dollars to the employee per month for health insurance and then they have to show you that they went out and bought it on the open market. >> Do they have pay tax on that dollars?
>> Uh no. No, it would be tax free I would think since you're buying HH >> but the dis Yeah, I mean that's taxree but then they don't deduct their health insurance either. >> What does thing about health insurance? >> What changes between that and HSA?
>> Uh well an HSA is totally different than an ICRA. IRA does not HSA is tied to a health insurance >> plan. >> Insurance plan. >> Okay. >> Yep. And then so like if you got a say an HS that's another way if you want to give more dollars that aren't taxed and
help employees out is if they um get an HSA compatible plan. The city can put a certain dollar figure into their HSA for them and then they don't have to it's not a use it or lose it situation in an HSA. They can you know they can take it with them actually.
>> Yeah. you know, >> because that's what small towns face is pretty high premiums for >> one and two employees. >> Small employers face the same thing. I mean, you know, it's just like a small employer. >> Yep. >> People under I mean, and then you got to worry about the uh
>> paid family medical leaveback now starting January one be another 88%. >> Yeah. >> Minimum. Well, that's the number the state has thrown out, but that's a low number. There's estimates that'll be three times that when it's all said and done,
but they just are throwing out numbers now because they don't know. >> If you ever got different leadership in the state of Minnesota, could that possibly go away? >> I don't think so. >> Oh, really? >> I don't I don't think they I don't think you can. I don't think I Man, that'd be hard >> because other states don't have it,
right? >> There's some There's a lot to do, but some that don't. Yeah, it's about 5050, I think. I mean, I I think the concept is good, but like I tell people at our office, I mean, if somebody had to go somewhere for 10 weeks, I'm not going to replace their job or I'm gonna I'm gonna
pay them if they are dad's sick or something. The question is how many people are going to actually abuse it and >> Yeah. >> And it's made for more like the targets of the world that have thousands of employees and one person's got to leave for eight weeks and they just decide to replace them because they don't really care.
>> Yeah. That's cor America. >> And I think that, you know, our our argument, well, the the uh argument of the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce to the legislature about that was, you know,
you just can't find replacements for that long. You know, maybe if it were a receptionist and answering a phone, that's all you have to do. That would be different. But finding a replacement for Sue for 12 weeks. >> Yep. Jesus.
>> Oh, we got a man. John's rolling. He's a hard You do your best, but >> Well, thank you. >> Yeah. Okay. >> You have any more questions? Everybody pretty much knows how to get a hold of me. So, >> all righty. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Okay. BC Engineering, we got Brandon here tonight. >> Hi. Yeah. Brandon Johnson with BC Engineering. cuz all you guys have my card, right? Need another one. Um I stopped in earlier and I so I don't know if there's
a was a conversation. I just kind of want to see what was going on. Uh Sue invited me so might have some questions. Um she brought up a couple. I don't know if you guys talked if you just want to recap those or there were some other questions.
>> Let's recap hers first. >> Okay. Um well one she talked about the needs assessment that if you know we did ever come in and sign on as engineer that the uh the needs assessment is free of charge. So even when we get done with
the needs assessment there is no cost incurred. Um if there was cost incurred at all that would be a proposal for another task order after that like if we had to do a preliminary engineering report or anything like that. So with
the task orderer agreement and task order number one until we get done with all of that there there is no charge to the city. So and John was there too. So I just wanted to state that. Um >> can you just go over what the needs
assessment what >> Yeah. So >> needs assessment. >> Yeah absolutely. So we would come back and mainly see when Brian and Eli are available. Um they're they're the big ones that we get a lot of information from. We kind of spend the day with them to go look
around at all all things. Um also if you have anything we want to look at ahead of time, we go do those things. We get maps, uh look at your water tower, water treatment plant, uh waste water ponds, any anything like
that. Um and then at the end of the day, we would come back and ask. It's very informal, but if if anybody else wanted to show up because we we'd bring a map to and say like what are your priorities? Uh because we don't want to create problems. We don't want to create
work, anything like that. But we do want to know what's important to you and we just want to help drive that for you. Um we take that and we write that all down, go back to the office. Our funding
team looks at that stuff and tries to figure out where money is available for certain things. We're a lot of different agencies trying to figure that out. Uh they scan all your maps. Um they also digitize them. So when we're done, we we'd have everything that we took back.
We would digitize it and give that back to you on a flash drive and the originals that we brought with. Um then we would have a conversation of what we found, what uh what things are in good working order, what may not be in such a good
working order, some solutions to the issues that you brought up. Um and then we go from there depending on what that would be, that's when we come into the next steps and propose that to you and see what your your thoughts are on that.
And like I said, up to that point when we come back with that that new proposal, there's been no costs incurred on the city at all. Um, you know, we we it cost us um but we found that's a
really good way to let trust with the city and show them where they're at with things and work from there. How in how in-depth does that assessment get? Pretty in pretty deep. >> Yeah, it and that's why it takes some
time. So, um it wouldn't be within 30 days that we'd be back. Usually, it's two months. And the reason being is the the two departments, one being the engineers and one being the funding department, you know, the funding goes through, finds out everything that you're eligible for, looks at all these
other agencies. The engineers pull up as much blueprint sorry blueprints as they can you know the maps and things like that. They go through a initial like okay what would we have to do with this what kind of design what this would cost and you know all that analysis. So yeah
I mean very deep and depending on what your needs are. Um, if there's some stuff that's like, well, it's in really good shape, they might not look too far into it, but just depends depends what we leave here with the first time, like, okay, how what do we
need to get into the weeds on? >> How about like a new development needs water and sewer put down? >> Uh, storm sewer. Um would you look at or or could you get a
cost of what that would cost you know or how deep would you get before you know it's going to cost the city $10,000 to get an answer? >> We wouldn't we wouldn't cost you it wouldn't cost you anything to get an answer >> like like an estimate you mean?
>> Yeah. >> Um no we put that all together. So even pill like pillager Minnesota we >> and they asked about u another same thing right um we would get an estimate of like the cost and say yep we probably
it probably cost this much to do x y and z get the storm sewer here but we wouldn't we don't charge for the estimate if that's what you're asking >> but it all would have to be engineered the the water runoff and the the size of
the storm water pipe and all that right? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Nowadays, they're making you put in holding bonds for subdivisions, too. >> What? So, how accurate of a number would it be if we said, "Hey, we want to develop this block
>> before you actually get into like pre-esign is where we would start paying for things, >> you know, and and I would say it would depend on how big of an area that is, you know, um exact numbers right off the top of my head. I mean, you don't know what you don't know until you look at it
and see what see what the problems are. Is there a bunch of fill that needs to come in? I mean, you name the thing. Does you have to completely rip up a road, put in a new road, >> all that stuff. But it So, part of that
needs assessment, too. Um I I the other thing I was kind of explaining is a lot of times a project will come down and need a preliminary engineer report. Um, we try to look at everything so we can
put all of that in our PER versus just a PER for say water treatment plant because those are expensive. They can cost upwards to $60,000. Well, we don't want to do one for the water treatment plant and a year later come back and do another one for the water tower and a
year later add in that development in there. >> Okay? >> Want to do it all together. you only pay one time and all of that stuff is encompassed because say in the needs assessment your number one priority is uh um water treatment plant
for what just name something but number seven on there was uh city sidewalk going to the BMX track that you're talking about or whatever you know and you're like that's really not important but this is one thing we just identified
well a year later, maybe we're still waiting on certain people to give up funding for water treatment and we say, "Hey, uh, this agency is, you know, committing $100,000 to new
sidewalks for parks, whatever. Uh, do you want us to pursue it?" In that event, we would still come back with a task order showing exactly what money is being put towards it, if the city has any obligation to pay for anything at
that point or not. And you still decide as the council if you even want to pursue it. >> Well, we have that hanging out there right now, right? was a a plan for redoing our water uh treatment plant and
uh some uh new water lines south on holidays. >> Mhm. >> And we had we we had what about three or four different items that we were going to loop together and all this, you know, and that was way last fall >> and this
>> and we is there >> we've never heard nothing from our engineers or in the state >> plan. It was just something they put together. Yeah. To send up. >> They didn't actually submit a per statement. >> No. No. They just put down what they wanted to do in the dollar amount was
like $10 million or something. >> Bonding is very is it very hard to get right now to the state for small towns? >> No. No. Um we're pretty good at at finding funding. The one thing I will
say is sometimes there may not be certain grant dollars available for certain things. Um but there's other ways to fund it, other ways to get loans. Um we even do the the loan work for like um if a per is needed if that's
the route that we end up going and uh a lot of ones that we use is the roll water loan where um they'll pay for the whole thing and the city only pays interest only on it. Uh it's a three-year loan that you can refinance
five times. And reason is then as all their money comes in, there's sometimes ways to help pay for that or the city can plan a better way to pay off that principal amount. And we do all of that for you. So, uh,
it isn't something where we call Sue and say, "Yeah, go in and apply for this." Our funding team would call her and say, "I'm going to shoot you over an email. I need you to fill out, you know, blocks 10, 11, and 12. Send it back to me and we'll submit this to the state." So,
>> do you have a lot of projects submitted to the state right now? You know, >> yeah, we have quite a few PERS in there actually. And because of the way we do things, we we're seeing a lot of a higher success
rate of getting the funding pushed towards those projects. >> Even shortfall of 16 million million or billion dollars in the state of Minnesota, >> they they still seem to come up with money. And and here's the thing, when one spot doesn't necessarily have money,
uh there's another spot that does. And um like I said, sometimes the grant dollars might not be there, but the loan dollars usually you can always get from like Rural Development or whoever. Um and our grant money, I'd love to tell you we get 100% grant money, but that
that's that is not the case. Um our average is about 66%. >> Um we do have a high average. some towns depending on what their needs were and if it's you know an environmental need or safety things um sometimes you get a
little bit higher been a couple towns that got 100% but um you know then there's some that didn't get as much you know basically they didn't show any debt uh they didn't need a lot of things done
you name the thing or the reason why and end up paying for it themselves but through through a loan if needed because you don't want to deplete all your city funds, right? >> See, that's our problem. We've been so conservative over quite a few years that we probably got what,
a million, five, seven to our name. We owe nothing right now. We're we're free. So, that's that kind of harms us. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, but I would tell you not to like just >> waste it. >> Yeah. Pay for something. Um, and in
fact, even if something came out and you could just say write a check for the PDR, sometimes it might be smarter to take out the rural water loan because they're not going to dig into your bank account, say you have this. But if you're showing a debt that you're investing back into
the community, you know, that can trigger another grant dollar uh funding mechanism from a different agency >> projects. Do they always get a partial grant or sometimes? Yeah, sometimes no. >> No, because um so let's say just city
streets that don't need any water or anything done underneath them. Um they're they do not get a high grand dollar amount. They just don't. Uh fireh halls are hu everybody wants a fire haul because everybody's getting these bigger trucks and it's like well they you know
there's just not a lot of grant money there. What I can tell you is uh depending on what you put on there for your priorities and what you want, we kick over every rock to look for anything and everything that you want. Um and that's why we do our task order agreement right off the bat for five
years. Not that you're locked to any contract or anything for five years. That was the other thing I talked to Sue about is, you know, right below that it says at any point in time you're not happy, give us 7-day notice just to get gather our things. I mean, if you really
are upset and want to fire us, go ahead. Um, but the reason why we do the five years is because we'll do that per put all the projects into one and over that time it'll take, you know, different different years. State bonding doesn't
go through one year, then you look at it the next year, you know. So, that gives us the ability to continue looking for those funds. is uh water treatment plants and looping water systems in a in a small town like this. Is that a
priority for granting grants? >> They would get a little bit higher, I would say. >> We've done several ourselves. We've uh also partnered with certain agencies doing those. Um and we've got about 10
cities in the in the stages of uh getting a per done right now with the state. Uh, Brian, do you work for Peton? >> That one's in there right now. Um, anybody else with questions? I can't
remember what I was going to ask next. Well, I mean the one thing I would say um I I don't know if you were ready to sign a new engineer yet or what your your plans were to do, but if you did want to u look for another engineer, um
by signing our task order agreement and task order number one for the initial needs assessment, you are out nothing and it costs you nothing. If you're not satisfied after that point, you don't like the way we operate,
you cut us loose and it's not costed you anything. >> I remember now if say we did a threeb block curb gutter or no just well just okay a complete street water sewer curbon gutter
um threeb block area. When that is getting done, do you have a person on site every day watching what's going on? >> Yes, we do. You do >> we do subcontract, you know, for the work obviously, but we have um reps on site for our projects.
>> Are they there the whole day or do they just come and watch in the morning, see how things are going or drop in in the afternoon? Or >> they should be there most of the time. And you know, if it's one of those deals that somebody's not there, um, that's when I should probably get a phone call
or even the someone else, the owner, whoever case may be. But I mean, I'd like to tell you that every everyone in our business is a, you know, model employee, but as we hire people, you just never know, right? So
>> that's why now after a couple projects, we kind of make sure city maintenance is kind of overseeing too. >> Yeah. >> Because there was times where things were brought to other people's attention that you know this shouldn't be this way and it kind of helps.
>> So you get a very good product. >> Yeah. Our person and I'm just thinking of um South Haven to begin with because you've talked to us, right? I mean, they're on the firstname basis with our RPR that's on site. They the mayor stops
it and talks to her all the time. So, I mean, but yeah. What percentage of your business is with the smaller communities? >> All of it. >> All I mean, what what Okay, I should reward that. What What do you classify as small?
>> So, we do not work in any towns over 5,000. And 90% of our clients, >> probably 95% of our clients are under a thousand. >> Wow. >> This is the perfect size of what we do.
>> What's your experience with water treatment and water towers building? >> So of the the water treatment plant or the tower? >> Both. Both. Um, yeah. I mean, so we'll work with other contractors for the
towers. A lot of times we'll go through due to design, things like that, but maybe we contract with KLM if it's a refurbishment or, you know, things like that. Um, as far as the water treatment plants, we've done several and like I said, we've got another 10 to a dozen
that are already in the PR stage at the state level. So, I mean, we absolutely do water treatment plants. It's one of our biggest things, but we don't want to just say, "Yep, we'll go build a new water treatment plant if that's not what you need." I mean, refurbished them and
stuff, too. I know last time you guys brought up the f um a question about possibly relocating it. Um, which if that's exact what you want to do, then sure. It also could be a
smarter choice to do it depending on the new regulations and things of like how much space you need. You don't have enough footprint there to you know go through and do the reversion properly. Maybe you will need to
depending on what ocean control and agencies stuff like that say. Whoever makes a determination like what's our what's that water tower say for a date Brian remember it's on that lake >> 1908 >> no how old it is the date
>> yeah wasn't it 1908 or 1912 >> whoever makes it yeah it's >> whoever make yeah whoever makes that judgment call that that tower has to go >> well we just uh looked at one in traumold Minnesota looks exactly like
your guys's and has a similar year on it and They are absolutely proud of that um water tower and there's nothing wrong with it. >> That's why we do our inspections and then they make the determination. Yeah. >> If they do their thickness testing on the steel and say, "Hey, it's it's
getting really thin. You got, you know, then >> they're the ones that would fill us when we need to replace a tower. We use central tank >> and and and not only that, um not necessarily to replace it, there's other things that can be done. Yeah. prior to replacement.
Um, you know, >> right now that's water towers are limiting factor factor in the city's growth because it's only 55,000 gallons >> and day. >> If we wanted to expand our city or get a business in here that had a be
sprinkler, >> we don't have the water capacity to >> to supply the water. So business could potentially not even come here because we can't support there. >> So that would be a determining factor for the city. You say, "Hey, we want to
we got this pallet company that wants to put up a facility in our town. We just can't do it. It's worth maybe thinking about putting in a bigger tower." You know, >> you can have water silos though, too. >> You can maintain this one for another >> There's there's a lot of things you can
do. Um, and like I said, Trumble has has the exact same one, but that becomes a hundred people. So, theirs lasts a little longer. Uh, Pillager is roughly this size. And they have a 80,000 gallon water tower. And in the hot days of
summer, they will use their entire capacity. >> What? You're only pumping what, 40,000 a day now, Brad? >> Maximum. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They got a lot of people with cabins by the lakes and everybody's
water and so that's partially why >> what's your average for start to finish on them water treatment plants? Seems like they drag on. >> Oh yeah. Well, again, that's why say we
assign on initially as five years is sometimes even the PER process just to get that in, you know, take up upwards of well to get to submit the PER probably looking at, you know, six months after the PE assessment, possibly
up to a year. Um, and then once it's completed and everything, I think it took us in South Haven start to finish on theirs two and a half years, something like that. Check the actual time frame. But anything with engineering, especially
when we're trying to secure funding, I I'll just be totally honest with you, it's not a a lightning speed, but I mean, we stay on it and we make sure from start to finish that it gets done. >> What is the interest right now on us? You know, I want to say the last one that we did
for the just the rural water loan was like a 5%. >> Oh, it is that high. >> Yeah, but that was a shortterm >> like a 30-year loan under under the real water or whatever other >> Yeah, I think I think they're still
around that five six% >> because that's about what it is if you go to the bank, right? >> Yeah. through that. Usually there was always a little bit differential there, but >> well, don't don't quote me on that. So, I would have to check and get actual numbers, but okay.
>> You know, >> well, anybody else with questions um um for Brandon or do you think it's time for the city of Good Thunder to change engineering? Did you were you going to ask him about the bell tower or was that was that figured out? >> Well, I think we'll get that.
>> Okay. >> So, >> I did stop by and talk to Eli and Brian about that. Um, and that that's, you know, again, could definitely throw it in the the needs assessment. It doesn't cost anything to do that. Um, I just kind of
looked at it and I'm like, well, I don't know if I necessarily spend money right away on a on an engineering thing if you wanted to just get it fixed >> and put it back in. You know, I I don't I don't want to take money away from us, but I don't want to try
and make a project out of something that can be easily solved without us being like, "Oh, yeah, we'll sure. We'll fix this." You know, that's >> $4,500 engineering cost and a $3,500 fix. >> Right. Exactly. I I don't uh but you
know, maybe that parks money, things like that, and and you know, funding team would be like, "Oh, this is a perfect thing for you know, you name the stuff." Like up north is you won't get it here, but I RB for like
the higher range and stuff. So anywhere in that region they a lot of times have money just for unanimous random stuff that anywhere near mines stuff like that. So that would have been a perfect project if you were you know another
five hours north but any other questions then >> I don't know >> anybody with thoughts of changing >> I don't know what to do to be honest with you. Oh, >> I don't know what to do to be honest with you.
>> You know, when he tells us that they do our size of towns >> Mhm. >> that's that impresses me because I'm sorry, but I think small towns are really left out of the loop. And if you can find an individual that's
going to fight for small towns and basically that's your livelihood, small towns. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Our trademarked motto is designed for small cities. We don't work in Mano and things like
that. So, >> anybody else with views? >> Well, he's answered um a lot of the questions. I guess I didn't know for sure if that's what uh our goal was was to switch, but it's nice to hear that you don't get charged for nickel and
dimed for every phone call, every email, every question, every whatever. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Anytime there's going to be some type of bill incurred, you you guys would sign a task order saying what it is the money's coming from.
If you don't want to go that route, then there is no money. >> Yeah. >> Amy, Scott, anybody comments? >> It's the um is that how we're charged with now every phone call and email and
all that? >> Yeah. Bolton Mink. I think pretty much >> anytime they do anything like the sending bonding information, whatever, we get charged. >> Yeah. So they could not be doing any projects here, but we're still paying them >> and yeah, I mean, >> are we tied into anything or what?
>> No. Do how how do we make a switch? Do you ever notify the past? >> So um what we do offer and we have a draft if you want to send a termination letter if you don't have one already. Um we can draft one up and send it to you
if you sign us on as the engineer and well send it to Sue and then she just send it off to them. I have one question with our bonding bill that we've got submitted. >> Well, that's what I was wondering. But >> um >> would that happen? I mean, would that just cease and have to start over again? >> That's what I was just going to ask
>> because sometimes it takes two or three years of submitting that before and they told us that when they mentioned doing the >> What do they have it tied to that? >> They what they've been doing right now is keeping the PPL and they so they renew that. Um
they haven't actually designed anything. What do they have in the PPL? >> Is there like a specific project tied there or >> Well, it's the water tower >> not the water. >> Water plant the weld. >> It was looping some
>> looping Holiday Street and Chapel >> retention pond. Yeah, >> we have a lot of 4 in uh water manes and the state sent out a letter over a year ago stating that they wanted small towns to upgrade them to at least 6 in. Right. >> Sure. And so we have a number of them
that I think was thrown in on that bill. >> We didn't get the bonding bill on this first trip through, but they said sometimes it takes two to three sessions of legislators before they'll finally pass that bonding bill. So >> it shouldn't matter who continues with that because we're having Bolton and
Mink do that. But there are cities that do it themselves. So I wouldn't >> Do you think you can pick up and go with what's submitted? >> Yeah. So, we had a a another town um and they already had a whole PR already at
the state level >> and we were able to take that over uh make a couple changes and not lose its uh place in the uh state PPL. So, >> thing is we we're paying
>> their service we're paying for that. So in turn that should go with us. >> That makes sense. >> Already been submitted. >> Yeah. What's submitted? It's really our >> that we took over the the uh
for it was not Bolton and Mink. Um and but I don't want to name the the engineer that it was. Um we took it over because they kind of had similar issues where they weren't really getting paid attention to, right? Um, and so we took
it over because they really didn't hear back from them. And uh, what the one engineer that they had working there knew one of our engineers kind of called him and bust his chops a little bit on the phone about it. He's
like, "Well, I get it. You know, business is business." He's like, "But that was our filler work for this next year." And it's like, "Well, they're your client. They're supposed to be a priority. Why are they filler work?" right? >> You know, so for us with the small communities that I mean they absolutely
are >> that's how we >> went into Iron um and so it was R money right I get it you're not eligible for it but the guy at R had asked the
engineer that was working in that city for an estimate for um they had a commercial lot that They moved the water lines at one point in time um and they basically cut it. The old school was
there. They had lines crossing and R wanted to just give money so they could remove these lines and let uh a uh housing development come in there. They had asked them for it in September, this
last September, and they they wouldn't get called back, they'd stop in, they just kind of ignored it. So, they had switched to us, and that was uh at the beginning of July, and I had them uh it was eight
days and had an engineer write up the estimate, gave it to the ITR guy, and he's like, "Yep, that's exactly what I needed." Thanks. So, >> what is your thoughts on uh lining
sanitary sewers versus tearing them out and starting over? >> It depends on the condition that they're in. >> Yeah. >> You know, I mean, >> if you have a couple with a little swale. >> Yeah. I I mean, I guess to what extent.
Um sometimes lining is a inexpensive um way to do it. And if there's not a lot of money available, then you know, maybe that's a better solution for your city. Um, at the end of the day, you still make that decision. Um, we'd like
to come up with those ideas for you and and see what what grant dollars are available for each. You know, if you get grant dollars to completely replace it and that's what, you know, MBCA and road water and stuff want you to do, then
maybe that's better call. But even then, it's still up to you. >> What happens to the surface? So, who pays for all that? >> So, when we get funding opportunities for that and there's something under the road. So, if it's just the one side of the uh sanitary sewer, uh they have to
replace like and kind what's above it. So, if you replace the whole road, you'd be responsible for half. But a lot of times when you do that, the water's on the other half. >> Yep. So possibly you can get, you know, >> the majority of that replaced at the same time.
>> I was >> that's the only way to make it feasible. It's all done. >> I was Does um Bolton and Mink have engineering done for the rest of the INI project that has Dick's locker and that piece that we were going to extend that
we haven't gotten the uh um >> I think we're just gonna basically run that up there. What? 200 ft set a manhole because we have the grade established here. We only have to go up here. I don't know if it'd even make 200
ft. But did they do any engineering on that? >> I think they did because they got the easements ready for >> Yeah. Did we get all them in? >> We got the one back from Feral. Um, whoever notorized it notorized it the wrong spots and then whatever. So, I had
to I sent it to the county. The county rejected it. So, I sent it back to them and everything was going good and now it's there's crickets for the last two months. I cannot get a hold of her. >> So, here's an we replace some sanitary sewer and it's runs on some private properties
and uh Sue's been working and has Balt trying to be working, but we can't get these easements signed. We wanted to extend that last fall when they were in town. Well, it got so late they couldn't. Here we are middle of August and we still haven't got it done this year because of the easements.
Do you go to fight for a city and stay on them people and get that >> the private residents that have >> businesses? >> It's federal gas. Yeah. And I mean I email her weekly um because I got switched to a different person now who was very responsive after I got denied
from Blorth County. Um and she was going to have it done. Last I heard was she was going to have it done this week in Sant. Well, that was three weeks ago. I I mean I >> So I mean I mean we've got issues with other businesses and even agencies sometimes
where they don't want and >> that's just tomorrow. >> Um when people don't want to talk to me, I drive there >> email and phone call sometimes just don't work when you show up at
I've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty now. >> You're one of them guys. >> With that project, the the part that we're waiting on the easements, I don't know if Bolton and Mink has actually done
full engineering on that. So, I don't know if we would still be required to finish up with them if we were to switch over to Bolic. So, normally and even with us with the seven days, like if if we were in the middle of a task order
and you sent us away and I'm I'm sure Mink or whoever whoever else it would be has some type of um incurred cost that they already have there. That doesn't mean that we can't pick it up after their bill is paid for whatever work they've already performed.
>> We haven't had a check for them for a long time, right? >> Um it's been a couple months. >> Yeah. I think the last one was when they updated the PPL or the IUP. Not sure. >> So, I mean that that 200 250 ft to run a I think it was an 8 in sewer and set a
manhole and hook up uh three three services. I mean, you could pick up on that and make that happen. Shouldn't be too hard to run water downhill. >> No, >> just saying. >> Just saying. It shouldn't be too hard.
you know, it shouldn't be a lot involved in uh making the water flow, but we we fixed a lot of INI in the area where we've done this and we wanted to continue. Well, what's the deal is is the locker was built many years ago, crosses private property to get to our
new main over here. Well, we want to run this main up like in a small area that city probably owns a rightaway or an easement and set that manhole and run their sewer out so they're not crossing private property.
>> So being that that you know I'll just be upfront see being that's something that you want to get done and maybe is a priority and isn't something you want to wait for the per to go through or anything else because it's just an existing job. >> It's just a job to get done. We would just
during the needs assessment, identify it. So, they go back, figure out what's going to cost to fix uh to finish it, and come back with a task order saying, "Here it is. This is for the easement project. This is what it's going to take to finish it." >> Because right now, the the locker
crosses private property, which is the gas company. >> Mhm. >> Say in January, it plugs up. >> Yeah. >> And they're going to come to City War don't work. Okay. Yeah. So, we want to fix this because it's probably been that
way for 70 years. >> Yeah. And actually, if we looked at that right away, that's something we could rush on and probably get a task order to you before we even finished the the needs assessment. So, >> that help, John?
>> Because that's the only other thing I can think of that we would have be active with Bolt and Mink right now. Yeah. this is something that you think is a good idea or you deal with it. >> I have no opinion on this. I'm not on counsel.
>> Well, no, just the dayto-day doing business is what I'm saying. >> Sometimes it's frustrating to work with the engineers we have now. >> Okay. >> Because I get unanswered question. I don't get answers. Um >> and we're not linked into them, signed into them.
We're we're >> I I don't know where we are with them. Like I said, I sat in that rural water seminar last year asking where where it was and they said, "You should contact your engineers." And I said, "I haven't heard from them since." And she was sitting right behind me. So, and then
she never did get a hold of me since then. So, >> I mean to put you on the spot, but I just want to ask you a question that maybe maybe this would help. What have you talked to other clerks and what have you heard or Balling Engineering
that maybe would be relevant to relay to the council. >> Now you're putting me on the spot. >> But she's good at it. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, there you go. No, I called um South Haven and I was on the phone with her for 45 minutes and she was explaining everything that they went
through prior and everything they went through when they signed on with Bal and how no matter what question they had was always answered. There was always somebody there, always somebody willing to help look for things. Um and they would bring things to her and say this is what you know like you said this is what you need to do and she said they
she was very happy. >> Do you have anybody in Blorth County? >> Amboy and Min Lake. Don't you have men too? >> Yep. >> They're in Freeborn County. >> Peton um >> or they'd be in Bling that project
>> from the start or fixing it? >> Sounds like they inherited that. We did not do that. >> Okay. >> Uh yeah, Wood Lake, Clark Field, uh Sacred Heart, >> Western Minnesota
name of you. Otherwise, I look on my >> Well, if that being said, then would somebody like to make a motion for the city of Good Thunder to change to Bolic Engineering as their primary engineering company? I'll make that a motion. Some
>> a second. I'll second it. All in favor say I. I oppose. Motion carry. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um would you like the uh draft S? Would you like draft of that?
I will take that to you. >> And have the task order agreements. you would care to sign each of those. One copy is for you and one copy is for me. Sue will need to
sign that one as well. And then here is one so we can set up with Brian and Eli and come back and do a needs assessment. >> As long as we don't lose any ground in what we have sent up there already like what Brian was explaining, I would think
everything would be just fine. because we had Borne Olsson here. He's our representative, you know, and he's kind of the one that got us going, >> is it? >> And then I called her tech called him one time, left a message. Well, heck, he's over in uh it is in Iraq, I don't think, but he's over somewhere serving
right now. >> Oh, okay. >> That's why I couldn't get a hold of him. >> Yeah, it's tough sometimes. >> It's a long distance call. >> It is. Still >> myself too long. >> Okay. >> Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Pleasure. And I look forward to working with you guys. >> Yeah. I hope we have a good working relationship. And >> you have a cardigan. >> Yeah. >> Take one also. >> Put it in. >> Absolutely. As long as he likes phone calls, we'll call him.
>> Well, I'll just tell you right now, if you call the the office phone, I don't even know why they put it on there because they can never find me. But the cell phone does go right to my cell. Same >> got my number. >> Yep. >> All right. Well, thank you very much.
>> Thank you guys. Have a good day. >> Yep. All right, next thing we're down to community comment. I think we have one of the individuals here that put on a very great car show for the city of Vend. No
kidding. >> No, it was very impressive. >> And do you do you maybe wanted to address the city a little bit? I >> mean, I I think we all agreed that we had a better turnout than anyone was hoping. >> Oh, absolutely. Before we get into it
again, can you please state your name and >> Yeah. Uh Tyler Strippenbach with High Performance Garage >> that is a new business in town just so everybody knows. >> Yeah, that's on the record. >> Yep. And I do uh back up what mayor had
said that I was very pleased or surprised by the turnout you had down there and I walked around for two, three hours and Yeah, you had a very good turnout. Yeah, I don't think anyone expected that kind of turnout.
>> We tried our hardest, but I didn't expect that much. >> The uh the individuals you had or the uh organation you had to supply the the burgers and the the h hot dogs and whatever. I mean, and ice cream. I mean,
man, it it couldn't have got any much better. >> I agree. >> Yep. It was top notch. people dancing under the old, you know, where the sandbox is, little pavilion there. The band was playing and there was an old couple dancing in there. >> Oh, I seen you. >> You seen
>> I believe that was my friend. >> Was it? It was cute. >> And I know there was a lot on social media. Um, did we ever come behind and announce who won what or anything like that? >> Uh, I don't think we ever announced anything on social media.
>> Yeah, I had somebody ask me about that. That's the only reason why I've been meaning to kind of >> get a hold of you. I kind of ran it by Sue one day and >> we can >> Did we ever see anything? I did. I I thought maybe I could have missed it. I mean, but you know, if you still have that information
>> I I never play with the social media myself. >> Yeah, it was just neat to know who won the if for the people that were there anyway that didn't stay till 5:00, >> right? Would be neat to know who had the the best car or the whatever all the categories were. >> We could certainly do that at least for the trophies.
>> Yeah. Yep. Whatever. I think that would be neat. I' heard nothing but good response. >> Something like 45 or 50 door prizes as well. >> I won a t-shirt. >> Every kid that heard something got as well.
Even the young kids running around, you know, they were just having a time of their life down there, you know, for what, five hours. >> Yep. They were doing just it was just perfect. >> And again, thank you very very much. >> Any plans to do it again next year?
>> Yeah, just pardon. >> I would love to. >> Okay. >> I know Tucker would love to as well. >> Okay. >> How about a spring and fall? >> Yeah, it's very possible. >> I mean, what do you think of the location? I mean, that's pretty nice place to have a car show, isn't it? >> Yeah, I like that part.
>> Yeah, >> maybe let's not seal coat it today. >> Yeah, my phone blew up, too. >> The timing was really bad. But yeah, >> I don't own nice enough cars that I care, but there are some people with
very nice cars. >> Yeah, the best thing about it was only 150 yards, and if they idle them >> Yeah, >> we we got it. Yeah, but yeah, I do agree. We >> we got Eli on board now. So, yes, that should that what we did there should have been done back in about the end of
May, 1 of June, so you can get it in all summer long. Here we are the first of August. So, we missed out a few months. So, hopefully next year it'll be in on on track for earlier in the year. >> Yeah, it seems like it's taken pretty well.
>> Yep. So, >> some spots. Yeah, you're doing your best. >> Yeah, I'd like to officially thank the city for helping us put that on. >> Yeah, >> everyone in town has done. >> Yep. No, it was very nice. Thank you.
All right. Anybody else with community comment? >> If not, we can move on to sheriff's department with 66 hours, direct patrol, civil assist, juvenile nuisance, welfare check, traffic stop, stolen property. Any questions on that? Not move down to
fire department. >> Hang on just a second. I um had a message from um Deputy Hagen. Um had a couple he and I talked quite a bit. Um
had some feedback about uh the BMX track and all our other parks. Um, he said there's some new laws or new recommendations. I'm trying to find it here. Where did Here it is. Um,
all right. Since we were kind of talking, he called it an ordinance. We're talking about parks. Uh, two suggestions for or ordinances. Hours that the parks are open closed.
Uh there needs to be a sign that states no camping or overnight sleep no overnight camping or sleeping in parks without author can't even talk tonight authorization from the city of Good Thunder or
council. Um then oh he said they actually had a uh issue in that a transient was taking up residency in the park in Mapleton. >> Okay.
>> And they did not have that sign. So they are in the process of ordering that sign to alleviate that problem. and he um just gave us a heads up and then he was uh he brought up the topic of ebikes.
They're doing the same thing. We've kind of talked about ebikes. I was going to get my ordinances out to make sure how we had that worded. Um he said too, we got to be um since they're the new craze, he said
you have to be pretty specific where ebikes are allowed, where they're not allowed. What is an ebike? >> Are they allowed on sidewalks? Are they allowed in alleyways? Are they allowed on the street? >> How about the age of the rider? >> Yeah, same thing.
Uh he was even saying us with having the county road come through the main thoroughfare of the town has a a big difference with that too. And we can't just base it by what the county does. We have to do our own too.
>> I feel like we probably have that in our ordinance. >> It's in there. I know they're they're mentioned it because I know we were talking about two wheeled three-wheel at one point >> and then them hoverboards and the the one wheel thing we have talked about it
but we just got to make sure that in specific um because yeah the if an ebike is considered like a motorized bike they are not allowed on city property in any way shape or form
you know it's made for transportation. It's not made for recreation. It's not made for spinning cookies in the whatever or being on that BMX track. He said, "No, that is that is not what they are. A BMX bike is a pedled bike. There
is a specific thing to a BMX bike." So that's what >> So would you have to change it to like pedal bikes versus a >> You'd have to say like nonmotorized. non motorized and probably specify electric, >> you know, and just hang some signs down
there and we'd probably have it covered then. >> Well, made an attempt. >> Going to be full of signs. That's >> right. There's going to be a lot of signs. >> Got the sign guy over here. So, >> yeah. >> Well, that's good to know. And that transient thing or close the parks at 10
o'clock. >> That's what he said. Post hours. Yeah. >> I want to say might I don't know if that's what we actually have. We do have a curfew, but that's only for miners. >> But he said on a park with access that the public has access to, you have to
specify >> no overnight camping. >> No overnight camping. >> But does that have to be in an ordinance or can you just get a sign? >> Uh he did say that we should update it in our ordinances. >> So then you have to J ordinance just to be able to print a sign.
>> Well, >> I don't know. We'll find out. I'll do some digging on that. But yeah, we were just laughing about that. So it was like at least I'd hear rather here now. >> I thought you could reserve a camping site down there. >> We don't have no camping sites. >> I thought there was at one time.
>> There may have been at one time there isn't that I'm aware of. >> I thought someone could call the city and get a camp. >> They had ball tournaments down there. >> Used to camp out there. >> Yeah, softball tournaments. >> I think it was pre-approved. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Whoever was hosting the tournament said
there was going to be people. That's what we did when we hosted them down there. >> Well, that pretty much is out the door anywhere because there's no ball played down there. So, >> I don't think >> Yeah, it's really died. >> 40 years worth of playing ball and now
they don't play at all. >> Well, you're going to check with a lawyer then about the ordinance and he he's going to work on some signage. >> Yep. >> Because I suppose on the ballpark one, well, probably both parks you'd have to have on both sides. >> He said both parks. Yeah. I mean, >> what corner do you put it on or do you
put it on? >> When I talked when I talked to him, there is a sign down there that uh acknowledges that it's called Thunder Valley Park. That is all the only place that it would need to be. >> Okay. But up here, we don't have that.
>> No. So, you'd have to if you'd put it over by that pavilion or if you'd put it on the >> probably get two put them on >> far Yeah. a far corner, >> east and west end or something. >> East the southeast corner. Probably >> probably southeast corner.
>> And he he said you can put them on existing poles. It ain't like you got to keep adding poles. There can be multiple signs on the same pole. There's no regulation for how far off the ground or how big it's got to be.
>> Question on heat. You guys have uh permits for golf carts or >> We used to have >> we have permits for golf carts in order getting people to get them is another thing. >> But our ordinance does require >> Yeah.
>> Um the permit and then >> fit in there. I mean those ebikes, man, they're like motorcycles. >> Yeah. >> And then again, what what what age limit? because we got a new one running in town
now that I don't think is 10 11 years old. >> I wouldn't doubt that any >> and it goes all over. >> Yeah, man. I know even in Mano they've had close major accidents because they just think they own the road. >> Yeah,
>> they're not a Yeah, they think they're a bicycle with all the I don't understand why they prioritize bicycles like they do. They still should have to obey stop signs and everything else like everybody else. And they don't. >> And
>> maybe you'd have an idea how many there are. If you could get them to permit them or something. >> Yeah, I know there's two in town. >> I mean, that gives you an idea dealing with. >> Yep. >> Would they have to carry some liability insurance on those?
>> They don't. Not by law. They don't, but they should. But I mean again something that's not easy to get because it's it's a new thing for insurance companies and insurance companies don't like setting rates when they don't have information. >> Data they're big data driven. >> Oh yeah. >> They don't they don't they set rates
after they have the data and then once that data changes they set new rates. That's how >> simply and if they you know it's harder to get them especially the I think there's if I remember right the last one I looked at there was like um is ebike
they have three different classes maybe yeah >> first two classes are okay it's the third class that's like goes 25 or 30 miles an hour or something companies don't want that >> risky >> well would we have to put that in an
ordinance also Probably >> no ebikes allowed on city streets of ages under 15, 16, what what number would that be? >> What do you do for golf carts? >> Nobody under 16, right? >> Licensed driver has to be a golf cart.
>> Yep. >> Yeah, this is our states in there that you have to be a licensed driver. Oh, >> that's good to know. Thanks, Jim. All right. Was under u where were we sir? >> Fire department.
>> Yep. Now fire department. Uh we had eight calls, five medical, one fire, one down power line, and one uh assist to law enforcement. Uh move on to Eli. You got some things here, Eli. >> Yeah, I guess first off, I'd like to
thank council for uh their patience in getting that patch approved for Health Street. And I know we had to call a special session. I did look back at my phone. July 11th was the date that I found out uh we were going to seal coat
August. Initially it said August 6th. Um and we tried to get them to move that and they weren't going to be very flexible with that schedule, but we got uh we got some crack sealing done. We got uh patches put in and then they were
actually seal coated a day early. Um, and then also within that time frame, we did the dust control and uh >> it was all at once >> and uh took a 5 in rain where we washed out a bunch of gravel roads. So, we had to fix that and the ball field
>> and paint over some graffiti, but we got it done. >> And yeah, um otherwise uh down the list, building permit for GT1-25. Is this where we do this? Yes. Yes. All right. That'd be on 848 Willard Street.
So, that house was recently sold and the new owner surveyed it and found a few of the things uh were not on the property. So, there's a small storage shed
uh west of the garage that uh I believe is about halfway on the property line. So, they're asking to move that shed to the other side of their garage and maintain what's uh what that is for the front of their
lot. >> I'll make a motion to approve GT1-25. >> Someone in the second favor. Motion carried. >> All right. Next thing, I included two quotes from Arnold's. Uh these are
actually I talked to the city guy in Minnesota Lake on what he does to get rid of uh compost and street sweepings and uh kind of the leftovers out of their burn pile. Um he said they run it
all through this uh they call it a roof bucket. It's similar to like a rock bucket and it's got about a little under 4 inch spacing uh flat metal kind of tines. Um so this would be a 92 inch
wide and it would go on the front of our loader and it would allow us to sift through all of that stuff with the end goal being uh a farmer takes it, puts it in his manure spreader and then that can be land applied. Um, they don't want it
with any rocks or branches or root balls in it because they got to farm through that. Uh, the dump, we used to have an in there where we could take some of the stuff there, but the dump does, the ponderosa doesn't
want anything other than basically street sweepings that are uh, you know, kind of that sand and they don't want a lot of yard waste or anything like that. Um, over the years we've kind of just been accumulating piles down there and
we got to find a solution for something with it. >> Getting rid of it. >> Yeah. So, two options that uh Arnold's gave us. Uh, one is a cheaper option and that is the the root bucket with the 4
in spacing 92 in wide that would mount directly on through the tractor. The other one is a more expensive option but uh has a few big advantages and that is we buy a adapter to go from our loader to a universal skid loader
attachment and then we buy that same bucket for a little bit cheaper uh with just the skid loader attachment on it. That would be the preferred because then we can open up uh and anytime we need say a post hole digger,
we can use a skid load or post hole digger on the front of our tractor or if we want to get a gravel bucket or a shear of some kind. Um we have a little more options that way if the city ever
did add a skid loader down the road. All these attachments we're buying or renting or however for our tractor, we can now use with that skid loader. Questions on that? >> No, I think that's a good idea because
that way if we ever got to the point of getting a skid steer, we'd uh be able to use all this attachments with it. It's a very good It's uh what uh 1,400 bucks? >> 1,475 more, >> right? You're looking down the future there where it can be utilized more in
just one way. >> Yep. >> There something you can pick up with the truck. Would they have to deliver it? >> The bucket. >> Yeah. >> Um I'm guessing we could do either, but yes, this would fit in the in our F450.
>> Do they have one on hand now, Eli? Or do you got to order it? >> We would have to order it, but I think if we get the skid loader one, I think it's a pretty short wait time. And and this would be something uh I talked to one guy that would be willing to spread it for us and he said I would
do it but I'm not going to do it in the middle of the fall or you know kind of his busy time. So >> yeah. >> Oh, I think it's pretty good deal. Yeah, I know we've spent a lot of money on streets here in the last 30 days uh patching. Um, that was a question I
wanted to ask that guy. You know, when we did that one repair there, they wanted 18 in of base and I had it road down here, 8 ton road. How much base do you need underneath it? Cuz that seems awful excessive. >> I mean, for Victory Drive in Mano, I I
>> absolutely, but not Yeah. >> where we were. >> Y >> that's four lanes with >> heavy traffic. >> 150 times as much traffic as we have. Yeah. or even if we still had, you know, a dozen school buses coming through a day. >> Yeah.
>> Well, with that being said, somebody want to make a motion then to approve the cost of 4975 with a bucket with the adapter for skid steer attachments sometime later in life. >> I'll make a motion to accept Darnold's
uh bid for the skid steer attachment 4975. >> Someone second it. All in favor? I I oppose. Okay. All right. >> So, striping. We were able to get a few striping quotes. Uh the stuff that was
seal coated, all the black top roads, uh will be swept off probably this week, if not next. Um and then we're kind of free to stripe and get our crosswalks in and also some diagonal window office and
church. Um, I initially put out for two and then uh uh Jim had made me aware that there's another guy that does it. So I reached out to that guy and he came in with a third lower uh with $1470.70
and that's through that Peter striping. That didn't make the package because he sent that Thursday evening. They had >> Yeah. But I believe that was >> How much was it? Uh $1,470. >> Not sure what Jean Jean's from boy.
>> There were two others that next up 2600 >> 15. >> One was 3,400, one was 2615, one's 1470. >> So I didn't have uh I don't have any real background on striping or or what
company does well or what doesn't. I think the 1470770 looks good. >> Second. Want to make that motion then? >> I sure will. All righty. Some second. I'll second it. In favor? >> I oppose. Motion. >> Uh sewer quote. We did not get that back
yet, but that'll be for the uh manhole behind the thunderbar. That's that block chimney that uh is probably an INI source and also needs some black top done around it. >> They're one right there and that next
one down might just put that one. >> The one behind like the gas station, you know, a gas station. That one is an updated one. Y that is a concrete >> formed one. Yep. Yep.
Um, yeah, this one is, if you look back there, it's sunk. >> Slowed. >> Yeah, it's sunk. And when you pull the cover, it's uh the bricks are starting to deteriorate. >> Um, next, there was a quote from WW that was one we had been working on for a
while, and that is to uh take out the rip wrap on uh South Hulk and Willard Street. that was placed there and then basically
uh add concrete curtain uh a catch basin black top and I believe that area was 18 by 41. So that black top would come out to the street. Um, and then add a little
more batuminous that that black top curb to match what's already there and then hook all that down and into the existing storm sewer pipe down the hill there. >> Do we have to get a easement from the
individual down there on the to hook up to the pipe? >> We would have to get an easement across the property and hook on to that. I guess >> that seems kind of high. And it says remove approximately 22.5 of concrete curb. They're not going to take out 22
ft of concrete curb, are they? >> I measured it and that's basically that radius where it's sloped back to the street. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> yeah. As long as they don't keep coming north. >> No. Okay. No, I think that just the radius. >> You know what they'll do with the rip wrap they take out?
>> Uh, we were going to remove that and store it for now. Do you have a place for it? We can talk later. in the possibly in the pond or >> no. >> Oh, >> somewhere else. Somewhere else, he said.
>> Probably not that. >> Do we have to store that the sweepings or they haul that away? >> The sweepings that they're going to >> off the street. >> So, we're going to use that for whatever >> in the winter time for the hills.
>> Yeah. So, um, >> yeah. >> Yeah, we're gonna we're going to keep that. It's like we have a pile down to the lagoon now. >> I mean, we're not in a since we got that down so late, are we under a time restraint to get that off? Is there
>> they just usually come back within a certain amount of time and sweep it up and be then they're done because then I don't think we pay them until they're do that final sweep. Right. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's on their bid and I assume it's scheduled. I talked to him today and told him that we would we definitely
want to keep those sweepings on site or >> ice control or whatever. >> Yeah. No, it's good that we're going to keep it. I just >> What is the time frame that they >> say it should be down? I mean, >> we got a late start, so I want to make sure that just a week. >> I think a week. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I want to make sure that it does. Yeah. Gets worked in good. Yeah. >> We're on the schedule, but I haven't heard when we're Yeah. >> Okay. When they were you down there when they did that patch, Eli there where they wanted to put 18 in. Was it all muck? >> Uh I mean there it wasn't muck but it
wasn't it wasn't good gravel. >> No. I mean, >> yeah, they got through the gravel and then there was clay, but it wasn't >> it wasn't fun or anything is why that road broke up or >> I in that one area it was and you know
I'm sure that was getting exposure to water too from that failure. But yeah. >> Well, they really got a nice patch in there. >> It Yeah, >> very nice. >> Yep. And it was nice to get that seal coat over it and it'll be uh Yeah. >> be around a while.
>> Yep. So, is this something as far as this rip wrap and this project is I mean did they Thank you, J. >> Yeah, thanks Jeff. >> Um is this
did they start this or is this a continuation with them or do can we get other bids? I'm just kind of >> we can we can bids and yeah >> $27,000 seems like a lot of money. There's probably Fanta to trim on this. And uh he sent this to me. I don't
remember when the the end of July and that was when that seal coating was happening and stuff. And I printed it out and handed it to Sue and here it is. >> What I mean to dig that up, put that rip wrap down and kind of do what we did must have cost us >> like eight.
>> Oh, okay. Just say 10,000. >> It was going to be a $12,000 patch, wasn't it? Something like that. >> Up two, I think. >> That big one. Uh, we're I think we're on to something. We're talking about >> we're talking about replacing the rip wrap. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. Yeah.
>> I was just curious what kind of that project came up. I don't know if that was supposed to be a temp I'm new so I'm catching up. Yeah. You too. >> So, was that supposed to be a temporary thing or I mean we spent 10 grand there. >> I think it was kind of a stop gap to
once we got bonding money. >> Okay. >> Was the explanation I was given. Once we got bonding money, we could do something more permanent. But >> if you had another 27,000 on to 10,000, >> right? >> That's getting to be awfully expensive corner. >> Yes. >> You could maybe talk contact that
Chambers that doing that sewer, he might have a little I'll take a little back Bobcat back over to dig down that hill and set a structure. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> I mean, otherwise, I mean, we can talk to other people and we do have some we
have time for this yet. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. I mean there's enough names out there that do >> I think we considered that as a kind of a experimental >> what's happening is some of the water is running over the road and it's going
down into that house property property. So, we put this in here to stop the water, but that rip raft was not the answer because all the >> didn't sound like it >> butter all the what do you call them? All the maple trees are in there and they're all sprouting. They're growing.
>> Who's going to who's going to clean that up? That is our rightway or easement. >> Okay. >> So, yeah, there's other people we can look at for as far as a plumbing >> and setting a manhole. >> Yep. because >> I I knew where we were talking about, but when I saw $27,000, I thought,
"Holy, >> it's Yeah." And the 41 ft deep is probably excessive. Um, you know, I think initially they were there was like some parking area there. >> Yeah. >> And we were talking about returning that
parking area so that residence has somewhere to park that isn't right on the street like >> snow for winter time. >> Yeah. because they were always forgive people for putting it there so you could plow right by their house because they have no other option than the street. >> Yeah. >> So yeah, we'd like to return that for a
parking area. >> Oh, well that makes sense. >> And make it a lot better looking and something that can be maintained >> that is going to work. Yeah. >> Okay, that answers my questions. >> Didn't Bolton and Meek engineer that? So
there should be some engineering information in them somewhere. >> Okay. >> Um and then uh I did want to open up to any discussion before I go out and get prices for trees. Um I'd like to bring
numbers to the next council meeting for trees and then we can get that's what month is it? September. And then you know >> Yeah. >> September October we can get planting trees back. Um, >> I believe we should be starting to replace some. >> Sure. >> You know, but that park isn't our park,
but it's been our park for 60 years. >> So, I mean, >> and you probably got a 40 year >> 30 year lease or 40. >> Just redid that last year. I think it's 20 years. >> I mean, there's a tree coming that's gonna there's a walnut tree that's pretty well cooked in the bell tower
that's gonna have to come down and >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. I'm a plant trees. So, >> yeah. I Yeah. Is there any species we do want to see, don't want to see? Obviously, we're not going to plant ash. >> Yeah. >> Right. Or >> can't even get them. >> Yeah. >> I wouldn't say walnuts either.
>> Yeah. >> I've got a lot of them in my yard. >> Yeah. >> They have I was over there to uh Edendale and they have a faster growing oak tree. Well, that's a pretty vigorous, pretty healthy tree. And if
they grew a little quicker, that'd be, you know, that or a nice hard maple, not soft maple. >> Oh, >> hard maples are a lot better trees. >> What happens to a soft maple? It's on my roof. >> And then I had two other quick things. Uh I did have a resident uh bring to my
attention where that sewer extension was done now. And that storm sewer dumps out on top. There's some uh pretty good erosion. uh the grass that they planted didn't quite hold with the amount of particip precipitation that we had. Um
>> but a very wet year. Yeah. >> Yeah. That so as soon I actually looked at that that remaining extension uh and that area was in the construction limits. So it's probably something we
could address with the next uh >> stage of that. But, um, something we're gonna have to address at some time, whether it's a little bit of rock or something to >> slow that water down before it dumps on the ground or >> Can you, uh, get some, uh, can you put
that mower on the tractor and knock down them high weeds there behind the locker? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's Yeah. >> Yeah. They're they're out of control. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um and and then bell tower. I haven't done much
on the bell tower. That's kind of in a holding pattern until we could get some of the road stuff done before that August 6 deadline. But >> did you check out that car wash? Is that outside one taking rain water then or not? >> I have not. I was going to dump some
water in there and figure out if it's coming down the storm sewer or the sanitary >> die in the cupboard in the shop. Yeah, >> you can dump some water with some dye and then just watch for it. >> Sure. >> Because I got telling Eli that they got that outside wash, you know.
>> Yeah. >> Well, heck, if it rains two inches, there's an area there that took a lot of water and put had in our sanitary sewer >> and ain't being used >> and it's not being used, so it needs to be blocked off or something >> plug in there. >> Yep. Yeah. So,
>> and if I don't know if this is the right spot, I had a resident ask me about the lights that are on the west end of town as you come in. Says, "Welcome to Good Thunder or whatever." >> Yep. >> They just stated that they thought the
lighting on that sign was very poor. >> It is. Yes. I'll take a look. >> Just wondering if there's something we can do about that to make that better. And then they I don't know since this is not city property. Uh there's a strobe light on the east side of the school
>> that's down there and it's just spasming. It's not It didn't flashing. It's >> right across from Barnard's. Right. Yeah. I I thought they had kind of fixed it but Okay. >> Yeah. It was I drove by there well week ago. >> Okay.
>> And I purposely went down at 9:30 at night cuz I wanted to see Yeah. It's crazy. It would drive me absolutely no. >> It's on private property. >> It's on the school. >> Yeah. It's a little malfunctioning that's just on and off. It was It's been
over a year doing it. Yeah. >> It was It was every second and a half. >> Oh, so it's a a light light. >> It's a light. Yeah. But it's malfunctioning. I can see where the person just said even driving through there at the distraction. It's bright
enough and it's okay. We would look into that. >> Paul Drummer. >> Paul Drummer. Yep. That's what I was just going to say. So, all right. That is Eli. >> Yep. >> All right. Good deal. Um Ryan Se and sewer update
>> things. Um down at the pond, we've got four pumps. Two big ones, two small ones. We typically run on the two small ones. Um, I was down there a week or two ago and noticed that pump number two is only pumping a little over 200 gallons a minute and the one next to it
is pumping 400 gallons a minute. So, I suspected that it was ragged up and when that happens, the impeller gets full wrapped with fibers and um if not addressed it can take out the seal and if it takes out the seal then water gets
in there and you buy a $5,000 pump. Um, I also had mentioned a while back that we were getting reverse flow signals on our flow meter down there and then I'd kick the two big pumps on for a couple of days and run on those and then switch back and I'd be good for another
3 weeks and then all of a sudden the display showing reverse flow. Well, anyway, with the concern about the pump, I called Quality Flow to come down and pull it and take a look. And he pulled it, he megged it, he uh did all the tests. The pump the pump was fine. It
wasn't ragged up, but he determined that our check valve down there is bad. Has a ball check. The other three have been rehabbed already and they have flapper checks. >> Swing check. >> And the ball check. Yeah, swing check. Um,
and that one, the uh the bolts and everything down there are so corroded and mushroomed and that he can't even take it apart to replace the guts. And so they're going to put together a quote for rehab. And the other three have been done. This one will get new guides, a
check valve assembly, and then where the pump hooks on, it'll get the new mount for that. So, it needs to be done. >> It needs to be done. Yeah. >> Yes. And I'll bring the quote as soon as I get it so that you guys it won't be a surprise. But, uh, we already did the other ones written recent and within the last five years, I think we've we did
the two big pumps. So, um, that's going to be on the horizon. I just want to give you a heads up and we'll probably see a bill firm to come down and pull that pull that pump and inspect it. Just maintenance. >> Just maintenance. Now, the other thing is, it's kind of funny that we were talking about all this tonight, but over
at the water plant, I gave Eli a tour the other day and showed him uh I don't know if you guys remember about maybe 18 months ago, we had to have Javs come out here on emergency because that one coupler blew apart and they replaced a section of stain with stainless and
put a phenolic coupler on there and all that. Um, there's another coupler almost just below it and upstream that looks like it's in uh not the best condition. If you look in the I I haven't swept in there on purpose because you can see where the
rust is falling to the floor from the pipes and if we don't get that bonding money. Um, >> I I I believe in the next year we should replace the pipe from the from where the valve comes in. You got that rusty spool
piece and then a valve. Uh so we go from the well pump all the way to the filter with with a new pipe with um also where the chlorine injection is that the pipe is actually kind of growing there
with rust. And then further down where there's a coupler for the pressure switch that's also it's just corroded. Everything's corroded. It's worse on the bottom of the pipes because the water sweats and it hangs under there like a drip and then drips. So all along the bottom all the way from
the filter to this end of the building and then back um you can just go like this and pieces fall off. So I suggested to Eli that in after things slow down and we're looking for jobs to do this
winter when the parks are all covered in snow. Uh we >> we'll get together with uh Bruce from Javs and he'll come out and give us an estimate and make give us some quotes. I think whether we get the bounty money or not, we need to fix this because
>> um it's on the pressure side. The other one was on the suction side. This is on the pressure side. So if that coupler fails, all the pressure of the water tower is going to try pushing through there. It's not going to be good. So >> and any of them long pipes be PVC or not? >> I'm not I wouldn't think so.
>> No. wouldn't be able to stand the pressure or what? Of course, they put PVC >> water hammer water hammer. Wouldn't that be that pipe comes on those pipes just go shake like that? >> Even if you use schedule 80, I don't think but Bruce will make that determination. They're the plumber. So,
>> is there any way you can just get a guess cost for budgeting because we have our budget workshop next week? >> Oh, probably not because they said, you know, Jav said they wouldn't want to look at it until the September time frame because they're super busy right now. They're out on projects.
Just so we can just so we can ballpark it. I mean, >> we could I could call him with a amount of pipe and we could see if we can't get a budget number. We can see if we get Bruce Bruce to come and look at it. >> Have CMR. >> We'll give you a quote with all of that. >> I mean, it doesn't have to be anything
set, but just, you know, guide. It's going to cost us at least 100 grand. So, we can do that one. >> No, I'm just >> Is it 20 or 50? Yeah. >> Okay. I don't know. >> We could have CMR. I'll get with I'll get with I'll give him >> actually worked for Javs by that Mike
Jacobs. >> He did all their stainless he was probably the one that did it originally. >> He started his own company. >> Oh, I'll give you Bruce's contact. We can call him and he gives us a cool >> and again basically that all maintenance
and we do I thought I seen it somewhere have like 136,000 is it in the water and 100 or vice versa versus >> very little over there. Yeah. So, we got money in there and basically it's all maintenance.
>> It's just replacing your old with new. >> Anything else? >> Oh, that's all I had. >> All right. Thank you. Okay. Treasure, >> you asked for an update, so I put my update in there. >> That's your update? >> That's my update. >> Well, thank you.
>> Yes. You're welcome. Just a reminder, the budget meeting is next Monday at 5. >> Okay. And I sent out the first round of um I don't know what did I send out like seven or eight property letters with the new ordinances um kind of focusing on yard or on vehicles and yards should not
be there excess vehicles um that type of thing >> is that for long grass too weeds >> well we're if so if the property has vehicles sitting there and they also have weeds we're doing that yes >> but we got to start somewhere and I
don't want to send out a whole bunch letters and then end up with 15 residents here at the next council meeting. >> Right. >> So, >> yes. >> Um and then the second letter will go out tomorrow. Those that are not in compliance with the first letter, they will get the second letter hopefully tomorrow or Wednesday and that will have
the $50 fine in it and then telling letting them know that they can come to the September council meeting and they can state their case. >> The one you sent them to, has there been any? I have not heard anything from any of those letters I have sent
>> sent, >> but I I did the ones that were um that we have been that have been up for discussion for several times >> and I do have pictures to back all that up. >> And do we have to are some of these
rental properties besides >> Not that I'm aware of. None of these are rentals. >> Okay. >> They're all homeowner properties. >> Yep. >> Well, we just got to Yeah. stay on them. Keep this >> Yeah. Um I sent out three disconnect notices for
water meters. We still have one that has not paid. The other two have paid. I've been trying to stay up on top of sending the letters and um doing that. Um speaking of the water, in the notes that I sent, the water service connection fee is going up from
972 >> up to 1522 beginning January. Yeah, that's fine. >> Nope. That's the water connection. That's once a year in July that gets built and then that goes right to um the state.
>> Oh, that goes >> It goes to the state. >> It goes to Where does that go? >> I thought you said in there it was for May. >> No, no, this goes to the state >> the DNR. >> It's reduces the state's resilience on federal infrastructure to to Yeah. This
gets sent in to that water sur I don't know. It's just a fee in July. I can't remember the exact name of it. >> It's kind of like a permit to be able to pump water out. >> Hey, did we send it on to water? Help me out, Brian. >> Well, the DNR does our well water. So,
every year I give you the total that we pump from the well and then there's annual fee. >> No, this is per connection. >> This is a once a year fee per connection that we send off. >> Um, >> it's required. So, >> anyway. Yeah. Um, the next thing I have
is rental inspector. This year we're kind of an off year for our rental properties, but next year because it's every two years. >> Last year we had or yeah, last year I did it, we had such a hard time trying to get a hold of Jud. The other cities I've talked to, they have actually
contracted with an actual rental inspector or an inspector and they actually pay them. Um, so I don't know if that's something council, if we want to keep enforcing the rental applications and the rental properties and we want them inspected, I think we need to find somebody who's consistent.
>> I think so, too. >> I mean, it took several months and me and some residents to get the to get Jet out here last time. >> So, Chapel Street Apartments, these apartments, do they fall under that too then? Do they have to be inspected or not? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> So, is that something that should be
done? That's usually up to the property owner and depending on what type of uh funding they have >> because I mean I think there's been a call or two that the fire department went there and the uh smoke detectors were gone. >> Mhm. >> They should pass they should pass rental
inspection too. >> Well, they have a rental license. >> They have a rental they don't get a rental license from us though. >> Oh, >> but who who's who's watching over that? Well, it should be. I mean, like I said, normally it's if rule if it's a rural
development property, Amy knows more about this than I do now. Um, but if it's, you know, depending on who's holding the funding for that property, they have inspectors and they're inspected yearly or randomly, >> then they need to provide us a piece of paper then too, right? >> I think
>> saying that they've been approved. >> What' you say? >> I think the city still inspects them. The city still has to have the >> I've never seen anything. >> You haven't? something you can check out. The one up here on Sherman seemed like something to do with the state.
>> Well, that one is um >> there was a >> that one was a Yeah, state funded. It's a lot of RD and >> I know the state was closely >> because I know this one is an >> physically can't go into their apartments, but they can oversee or look
at the building. >> Oh, no. It's >> I will reach out >> thing going on. I think we'll have to get better at that. Hire a service to do it so it gets done properly. >> Yeah, that's a good idea. Consistent.
Yeah. >> Anything? >> We could reach out and find check into see if I can get some information from other towns on who they have. Did you want to do um talk about 131 North Hope, Sue? Sue.
>> Yes. So, that one has a $48.40. It's garbage. Um resident has passed away. I'm asking council for permission to write that balance off. >> Yeah. Somebody need to make a motion on that. >> Motion for that. >> Somebody make a motion to write that
off. >> I'll make a motion to write out the $48.40 on 31 North. I am somebody to second. >> All in favor say I. >> Motion carried. >> I think that's all. And then I will be gone the end of August like the 27th if
you like the second I think is what I've got. 22nd through the 1st. >> Correct. as far as a response to your letters, um any action on any of these moving
forward to where they're trying to get in compliance? >> They haven't done anything. No. Um I have looked and and Eli's been checking too when he drives when he does his routes and stuff, but so far I have not seen >> any compliance to vehicles. did notice
on the building permit of this one, it stated on there, I don't know if you added that completion date or whatever, how you worded that. >> Oh, he said that. >> Yeah, he said the date. >> I think that's something that we need to add into all our permits from now on.
Yeah, >> because just because they get a permit don't mean they get >> that is something I did talk to our attorney about regarding building permits. And he had said >> usually if there's no work in 180 days that permit is void. >> Okay. >> I had said so just because you have a
permit just because I get a permit so I can put up a shed to put all my lawnmower parts in doesn't mean I can just keep renewing that every year. I have to actually >> do it >> do some got to be some progress. they can keep renewing it, but he also suggested if that becomes an issue,
maybe council wants to you can renew it twice. After that, it's a $50 fee. Whatever. Maybe you want to raise that to get people to actually do that. >> They're doing that to skirt the issue, >> right? And he said just because they have a building permit does not it allows the building permit allows them
to have the the equipment for the building. It doesn't allow them to continue >> that kind of stuff. in their yard. Correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> that's a good idea because that's what needs to be done because it's happened over the years. Everybody keeps getting
another permit, another permit and nothing's ever happened. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> So, the other part I wanted to make you aware of and I put it in the notes of that consent agenda. >> Yeah. >> Sample in there >> and I don't know if we actually need a motion to do that or not. Um, but I
would like to because that way you don't have to go through the minutes and the bills and the fire department and the sheriff if there's no questions or anything. It can all be one motion and then we can move on. It'll say 15. >> I think it would be a good >> 15 20 minutes. >> Time saver, >> right? And I mean that doesn't mean you still can't talk about it if there's an
issue, but for the most part there wouldn't be. >> Absolutely. >> I think that's a good idea. Yeah, I'd be able to shorten up the meetings because, you know, we get pretty in pretty good detail most of the time, but we only meet once a we only meet once a month. We got to take care of business while
we're here. >> Well, another thing you could do also is do a workshop an hour prior to the meeting, >> but that's another gathering. >> Well, true, but sometimes council um councils do that. They'll do a workshop or work session an hour before, do all
this talking, and then when they actually have the meeting, they're done. Boom. Boom. Oh, really? >> So, did that workshop is that record? >> It's not recorded because workshops are not recorded. >> You can't make an action. You can't >> Well, you can discuss everything that we >> discuss all this but there's no action
taken. >> It's better for the public when they have to have meetings if they're shorter and we talked about it, >> right? Because if there has I mean then they know too if they want to discuss it, they can come to the workshop. >> Yeah. >> But then they won't have to sit through. Well, how about if we uh think about
this for the next 30 days and we talk about it again next month? >> Absolutely. Yep. >> All right. Are you done then? Yep. >> All right. Unfinished business. Anybody? New business? Anybody? Uh miscellaneous busy? Anybody?
>> So, you took off my thunder, >> I guess. Well, the budget workshop, I guess, is August 18th at 5:00. And with that, there somebody want to make a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I want a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I motion carried. Thanks
everybody.