##VIDEO ID:G-T0PzoHu9w## and remain standing for a moment of silence I plge to flag of the United States of America and to the it one naice thank you everybody okay first thing is approval the agenda addition corruption to that not me make a motion to approve I'll make I'll make a motion to Second all in favor say I all my chair fight okay uh truth and Taxation uh meeting floor is open to Residents with questions or concerns we are proposing a zero tax increase proposed anybody with uh issues on uh taxes I guess now would be the time to State your concerns if you yet your taxes are too high you have questions I don't know if we can answer them a lot of them are at the colony level I believe in answering the questions I I went over a few there were valuations went up um up about 55 about $70,000 and the City's portion of that went down about $300 uh the County's portion went up about $8 how they always derive at this formula I have no idea Ryan you into that or don't uh you know different department deals with property taxes but I know there's some some allocation that happens between residential and Commercial and Retail and Agricultural and how they kind of land Valu we've seen I know we've seen significant increases in cultural land value I think that's taken more of the brunt this time around away from single family residential uh I know there's a truth of Taxation here in tomorrow night at at six I I have to go to it that'll be the time I probably learn about this year's yeah anybody else would comment then on your taxes no one nobody's gonna have a problem paying their taxes everybody's happy way too high yep um you to go zero when you still ended up with an increase is there any way to go negative so there is an increase definely a lot of people went negative a lot of people went negative from where were yeah but that's just kind of because of the new you know like last year it went even though you tried to stay at Round zero but we didn't stay at zero last year this year though we did our Levy didn't increase the dollars this year end up was what 2 point something last year it was even high more like four or five I don't remember anymore now but in any case why uh this year the levy did not increase so the only the only people that got increases in taxes would have been those that increased in valuation a great deal actually um because everybody else even if it even the value of your house or whatever went up you know $5,000 or whatever probably your tax city tax probably went down so and the school tax went down a little bit this year too that helped um ta they asked for 5% and then like Robert just read there it meant just a very little bit on this particular valuation here so part I can't understand the School portion that you have that bond that that's just say it's $60 million that don't change so no but the value Val ation of property changed like Ryan said a a valuation went up but do they pay on the on the school on Agland I think it's only a portion of the homestead isn't it again I'm I'm pretty sure they do pay some I know they have I don't think it's high as what a few years ago when they kept right I I mean it got changed that's what's that's what makes it so very difficult to try to iron out you know I mean you can't just look at your new valuation when you get your tax uh statement and try to figure out what your taxes are going to be because we only get the city only gets what we ask for we asked for the same exact amount that we got last year that's all we're going to get so how that all is divided up out of the Apple Barrel is uh depending on valuations does does anybody know does the valuations kind of linger like if the economy goes to heck the valuations stay up there for a year or two before they fall down or will they start falling down right at the following year you ask hey I'm kind you're the county guy it's not your department but I thought maybe you would have a little insight you know from from sitting in and listening to the County administrator's presentation on this my understanding is that generally speaking I think please don't vote me on this but my understanding is that that those valuations are usually lagging behind the market by one to two years and I think that's a result of just the assessors having to go out and reevaluate your property every handful of years so I think by the time it gets caught up it's usually a year or two behind I also know that generally speaking from when we've done um appraisal and on properties that we've had to acquire for for Road and Bridge projects um I think usually the county valuation about 10% behind actual market value is is the number that I think I've heard thrown out before all right well no other questions on the TA truth and Taxation meeting somebody want to make a motion to close the meeting well you want to uh or adopt these for for the resolution 20239 is adopting the 2024 budget uh general fund is $69 73,9 15 water fund is12 688 sewer fund is 136 792 sanitation is 48825 somebody make you want to do them both at the same time or do you want to do them individually okay somebody make a motion to adopt resolution 2309 I'll make that motion someone second second all in favor say I I oppos motion Carri now resolution 2310 resolution approving taxt Levy collectible in 2024 of 3912 se8 somebody make that motion to adopt resolution 20 23-10 I'll make a motion to accept that resolution motion's been made someone second second all in favor say I iOS Carri okay somebody make a motion to close the truth and Taxation meeting some a second all in favor I oppose car okay is that a regular council meeting first thing is the approval of the minutes corrections to the minutes no correction sobody make a motion to approve them second no second all in favor say I motion carried uh approval of the bills I see in that register time a lot of these here are getting way up like this is that amount then it's deducted then we had a $696 increase I don't understand what's Happening Here do you did you look at this no but if um did you see some of these John where the expenditures that they're they're really high on that outside problem you must have divided out he's looking at the insurance line must have divided the insurance out the Departments rather than just having for the health insurance no oh it says Insurance well it says Insurance assuming that's a correction we'll have to make with year end adjustment so because I think that you're talking about the property insurance uh it's line 370 it's on the first page is to have way down the page is 696 per increase 400 370 the prefect on the beginning but then if you go through here and you look at it right because I think that's still when I was um filling in the summer I applied it all to the Clerk and I should have broken that out because I noticed that actually month or two ago but I'm GNA wait till do your adjustments you should break that out by true their Department right there's going to be has piece of that um but that exact breakdown I wasn't clear on so I've just been on that yeah like because the bulk of it there because it was around 30 under 40,000 that 39,000 that everything went under the clerk but there should be a breakout to fire there should be a breakout to city and streets okay because yeah fire I have a question on fire there um the schools and conferences you know that's 188% and it's uh it was 18,000 we budgeted 10 oh that's different that's that's not what the insurance that's on training so but none of these have been this far out of out of whack before right like in then if you go to streets and highways and Roads and major repairs and maintenance we have a 2, 65.5 five% increase and then it has a 103,000 year-to date under 23 and then at year-to dat balance of a negative 98 so is that our street repairs and all that that has fell under here yeah so I mean we spent a lot on streets this summer yes we did yep I yep and the other thing is is that contractual Services there I mean we we did do a lot of engineering this year did we do that much already though no but I think that what happened there is that we only had so much a small amount of and also it all got charged to One account rather than Street or sewers or water right okay right so how do we how do how do we get this fixed so these numbers don't on the end look so bad like here the maintenance contract here that's 4548 point percentage and uh some some of this is we only appropriated $300 to start with I don't know where you're at now oh under highways and streets and Roads John uh just go to that outside edge and look at them high numbers at 45 48 very your last column oh okay maintenance contract it says we only allocated $300 for the and we're at 13 uh yeah some of it's probably coding some of is probably just budgeting so I it was see next weekend well I do know when I started the budget for 2023 was completely off yeah um which is why we have like 5,000 for streets for your major repairs and I don't know how that got all separated and how that got all put into banion may not have even been put in there correctly I don't know yeah but that's why these numbers are so completely okay because we found where was it $51,000 was entered twice correct in contractual and one was Under Fire Department which was no contractual we found that so we paid like 50 thou 1,000 twice last year and we didn't catch it until this year right we didn't pay it you didn't pay it it just looked like you did yeah it's just in the budget yeah we didn't pay it yeah there a line it so I mean if you look at them I mean usually they're running but again yes we've we've had we've had some changes in management that everybody's got to learn so you know I guess there'll be be able to be taken care of because we can probably explain a lot of these like but the contractual here you know um the the other thing is is that you notice like in Parks the future improvements hasn't been touched there's no nothing's been taken out of future improvements and you know some of this could have come out future improvements that's just one example you know so I don't know remember remember last year maybe even the year before I said that we're going to have to sit down and and actually to go through every single line and and see if we can find correct kind of kind of correct that because um we've had period of time where they the incorrect account was charged you know yep I mean it doesn't make any difference in the end you know but the dollars are here yeah it's just not in the right area yeah right make any difference in the end it's just all it just and like I explain she she was were when her and I met Seth this budget um she was worried about all of that and you know I said well we we only have so much money and we only can spend so much money and we we're not a community where our department heads look at this we don't allow that where they go oh man I got 50 Grand I got to spend money we don't do it that way no never have so um we're the ones that decide where the money is those and bend and all of that they they bring their ideas to us that we don't you know they don't they don't have that power in our community try to spend all their budget we try to conserve their budget as much as we and if it isn't spend it goes back into the general fund for the following year right yeah un undesignated so now underneath General and Sewer we have uh engineering fees here that are what the year to date 28,000 but then the year-to DAT balance so is that $118,000 over the 10 then you believe you go right here we have 28 we have 18 but we are budgeted 10 yeah right so y that's right yeah that's right okay but but there again for years we didn't spend anything right out of that but it has to go somewhere it has to come has to be shown someplace that we spent that money this year yeah you know I mean it's similar to when the fire department buys a fire truck you know all of a sudden you got that high yeah I mean it's the budget for that line item is is 6,000 per higher than it should be you know because it's all spent at one time all right well we'll get through that make it look good um anybody else put question on the uh bills guess this wasn't part of the bills but had to get it answered if not somebody make a motion then to approve uh the bills someone second second in favor say iOS motion Carri okay we got Brian ches here from BL County all right good evening thank you for allot me some time to your meeting tonight I'm here to talk a little bit about uh Ro construction projects but I think I'll start with a little bit of background if that's okay lth County's uh nearing completion of updating our long range Transportation plan um so the last time this long range Transportation plan was updated was 2005 uh within the county obviously we have the Mano the urbanized area of man and that because of the population requires an area planning organization so that's the mainy are your planning organization if you've heard of the maple before I'm sure through different different Publications and and uh reports so for any federal dollars to be spent in that urbanized area has projects have to go through the Maple and their vetting processes the maple has been updating every five years a long range Transportation plan and that looks at Future growth it look looks at your network it looks the roads are under the right jurisdiction it also lays out a prioritized list of projects and kind of scope so those projects to an extent again based on traffic growth and safety all those other elements well that hasn't been updated in the bler county outside of the mapo again since 2005 um so one of the that I items that I had prioritized when I took over as County engineer as a need was that that long range Transportation plan need to be updated and unfortunately took me took a seven years or so to get around to getting it done uh but we've undertaken that pro project new our Consulting Engineers who has done several of the maple updates so they're very good at their job um as part of the long range Transportation plan updates uh the consultant looked at systemwide review of the County Road and Bridge system and making sure that the roads are continuous that they they they looked at it from a kind of a arms length look to make sure are there segments where we've got chopped up Road segments where makes sense maybe to give pieces of our road away and take on other portions of Roads so we have better connectivity around the additionally they looked at jurisdictional assessment to make sure that the roads are in the right hand and you look at the traffic volume of roads and the use of Roads um Bounty roads are kind of that that um that connection between the state system and obviously the local Road system so our obje with County Roads is to get people you know to and from within to and from communities with maret points of of interest in Commerce um we aren't sarly set up to be serving residential purposes and things of that nature if you look at State Statute County stated highways two different types of Road County stated highways that are funded primarily through the gas tax and motor registrations the highway user tax distribution fund um then we also have County Roads that are funded through local tax levy and sales tax um but I'm digressing a little bit when you look at County stated highways they're required to be connected either another County stated Highway Municipal State Street St Highway that kind of tells you the functional classification of those types of Roads so it's been about a year process we're updating the long range Transportation plan and actually it's been we had a public openhouse on November 21st um and then we we put the content online it's online through tomorrow we're taking public comments I know we sent some letters out to the city to inform the city that we're having that material available so hopefully you've had a chance to look at it um and then last but not least the functional classification assessment which really looks at are we labeling the roads right and prioritizing or spending based on that labeling of whether they're are they a collector a major collector or or a minor or perial roadway because they're going to justify different levels of investment based on traffic volumes and use of those roads the reason I wanted to start with that um transportation Plan update that's going to include that Network assessment it's also going to include policy update um and really assembling and kind of recording them all so that the public can look and say what's Bluth County's policy for drain TI in the right away what's BL County's policy for local agency cost participation on joint construction projects it'll be documented in that uh Transportation plan it also provides a prioritized list of projects that's fiscally constrained Revenue that we anticipate getting and so it took all those projects and it started evaluating the PID wage condition um as well as traffic volumes and several other safety criteria geometry of the roads Etc and what it what they did is they came up with a massive spreadsheet that we were able to actually rank projects and that's pretty important for us because we're going to utilize um a 15-year fiscally constrained project list it's going to roll over and used as an update for the L County local option sales tax projects okay as you're probably fully aware BL county has by state St statute the ability to issue a one half of a percent local option sales tax that is to be used for transportation projects so that's been really tremendous for our department in getting projects done I can't recall I think we might have used local option sales tax dollars on the same County State won through town that constructed a few years ago when we worked with the city on that so that is going to be uh closing for comments tomorrow and then hopefully to get the County Board to uh host a hearing have a public hearing and then actually adopt the new slate of projects for the local op sales tax the reason I bring this up is County State Highway 73 was a project that popped up on that prioritized list and somewhere within the next five plus years of kind of where it fell from a priority standpoint when we get to projects within our city small cities we generally speaking don't like to come in come to City of good Thunder and say well it's time to rebuild this road we want you guys to be the ones that ask us to rebuild the road because we know you have significant investment um into the city water main sanitary sewer and then obviously a portion of the cost for the road reconstruction 10% of the road based on our cost participation policy and then a share of the storm water that you're draining and Andor sidewalks and trails uh so with that being said uh reace and I started talking about this road a little B and there's some interesting Dynamics with casassa 73 so we talked about kind of that Network assessment and casassa 73 was listed in the in the kind of jurisdictional assessment as a road that was recommended for turn back to the cities and I'm not here to just say take it or leave it anything like that and I I've I've I want to make sure that that's clear this is got to be it's a negotiated discussion and and so really what we're here to talk about tonight is a couple of things I'm I'm in the process of up once we get the long range Transportation plan updated I'm also in the process of updating our five-year Capital Improvement plan for a Road and Bridge construction program so that'll be years 2024 through 2028 and as part of that I have capacity in 2027 um for some some projects and so I I started with Reese and we we talked and uh mayor Anderson jumped on a call asked me to come to the meeting tonight to just gauge the city's interest in what discussing reconstruction of County stated Highway 73 um but then secondly because it's on that list for turning back and what I talked about earlier about the requirements for a County state highway under the state statute having to connect to another state highway to a municipal state aid City street which you guys are not a municipal state aid City and another County state highway it doesn't check all of those boxes both ends should connect to another County stated Highway which it only connects on one end so that's problematic for us I think if we were to try to utilize County stated Highway money to reconstruct that road um and Talking a little bit about it I think what I would be here to ask the city to discuss is a your interest in reconstructing it and be your interest in consideration of taking the road back and and the city having maintenance and future operational responsibility for it um before you go on yeah go ahead where's Road where are we talking I'm sorry yes good question the bar and one block of just okay yeah one block of Front Street from County Road one Old Highway 66 to one block South so between the Thunder and the the elevator okay yeah sorry I I don't know the city street names very well community so um with that being said you know and I'm just here to kind of break the ice on this um there's different ways that this could be gone about based on my experience of turn backs with the state of Minnesota we could if the city's open to the idea we could just you know whether Council would want to be in on the entire discussion or establish a smaller committee that wouldn't violate open meeting law to kind of meet with the county and talk through these things um you could negotiate a project where we fully reconstruct the road now and then AG to turn it back to the city um likely you know we we def discuss normally there would be cost participation but in this circumstance I could see talking with the County Board and um work through that process or you know sometimes if both parties are amendable to it and again I haven't taken this one past the County Board there's a cash in L of option where we could sit down and and come up with a cost estimate to reconstruct the road in that year agreements dollars with your city engineer and with the county and coming up to a mutually agreeable construction cost estimate and you use that as the price basis for um basically paying you now to reconstruct the road and then the city could decide when they want to do it in the future so I'm just here to have that discussion I wanted to talk about the long range Transportation Plan update and the sales tax projects list just as well to make sure that the city was aware of that um just checking my notes to make sure I didn't miss anything else and the primary reason why this was listed as a potential turnback candidate is because it's really not functioning as a county stated highway it's not connecting uh communities or major points of Commerce it's not a contiguous you know long road it's it's one block that's a little bit of a a little bit of an anomaly and I don't know how it got to be listed as a county stated highway it's been that way quite some time right and um funny things happen you know as as designations are changed or as roads change so how we got here I don't know but I wanted at least have the discussion about where do we go from here um what um what's that rated at what what weight rating does that RightWay we could if look on I can look on the website I'm assuming it's a 10-ton road I know Reese do you know off top your there's no breakups in it you know that road has been developed good over the years you know it's a better Street and good Thunder and the reason I'm here is this was I think years ago when we did saw one um right over here there was discussion about W the city wanting to have that added so I think it was put out towards the end of our previous fiveyear plan and now that I'm updating The Five-Year Plan I reach out to each of our cities and you guys aren't the only ones I've come to talk to about the fiveyear plan um and and potential projects and so I reach out saying you know where's the city's needs at so St Clair stepped up with a big project that they they have uh prioritized and uh talked with pton about a potential project I don't think we're there yet so I do have the Madison Lake as well I do have capacity though I think right now as things are laying out for 2027 financially um but again this the city's got to want to do a project for it to make sense for you to have to C participate because you're not going to want to dig the road up and not replace your City Utilities that are underneath unless they're in great shape there's only one that feeds the elevator that comes out of the elevator to the middle of the street goes south to the alleyway and that's all there is right there for the SE the yeah the water comes in I believe from the north so there's no water so there's no water M down there nothing uh in your plan would you narrow that street see generally speaking um what we've been doing is yes uh bringing the roads to more of a modern design context um it's also situational obviously I know there's parking parallel parking need and then room for trucks so um elin's here burn in Center we're going to 44 feet in the downtown area so what we did through town here was 40 feet resal we find is these really big wide roads there's some safety concerns and there's also a higher rate of speed because it's so wide open when you cram it down and tighten it up a little bit it it forces people to drive slower just to be cautious you know speed limits are set outside of cities or outside of 30 55 miles an hour based on the 85 percentile driven speed and what people are comfortable driving on so if you you you want to design the road appropriately to speeds down a little bit and there's a cost factor to it as well right um me whe road projects are tremendously expensive so we want to rightsize them we don't want to undersize them unless there's a real reason to we also want to be cautious not to grossly oversize them in some of these cities we've got tremendously wide streets that really aren't carrying traffic or serving a tremendous purpose they were they were much bigger than they need to be by today's design standards and what the state the state has standards as well of what their their minimum requirements are so we would design two or beyond that would be our thought well I think the that you did out here is underbuilt because this fall and other Falls you have these large tractors with manure tanks that got tools on them M and literally they take up the whole one lane if you got a car park there and you're meeting them somebody's got to stop and if you would narrow that up between Front Street narrow Front Street up between the bar and the the elevator right now in the fall for five weeks six weeks whatever the Harvest takes it's so busy on Thursday Friday Saturday night with the bar business and the prce that the elator brings in you know we haven't even thought about what the typical section would be at I think we we'd certainly be open to having those conversations and having a lot of back and forth on it I I I I certainly understand 40 would not be adequate 44 has been what we've what we've used as a standard for those busier more commercial because that gives you a 10- foot shoulder and driving lane in each Direction but again I'm I'm really not position to even say what we would go with because we haven't put much thought into it yet I'm really here from a very high level to talk about planning as far as programming projects out potentially in the future do you ever turn those back to the city without doing any improvements well that's where I said there's potential where I I'd have to take it to the county board and the city would have to agree to it too but you could come up to a mutually agreed to construction cost estimate and use that as the basis and um the state in the past has done cash in Li of turn backs where just a lump sum payment is made and then the city can use that how they see fit but understanding that they're not going to get a new road the price of a new road back but um that's something we could certainly discuss and again because right now my my thoughts are if you went in there and rebuilt that whole road that road don't have a crack it don't have a paddle it doesn't have that'd be a waste of taxpayers money however I was just thinking you know if we did the cash in Loop just throwing this out there you know we could beef up that part of Sherman that they're pulling out on and Y absolutely I mean yep and it wouldn't you know with that money yep so what kind of timeline are you looking at where we would have to kind of make a decision you're looking at project7 um so I'm working on updating that Capital Improvement plan and what I I guess I'm asking tonight I don't need a decision a definitive yes or no if it's a definitive no I'd like to know that because what I do is I'll put it in and right now I've got it just pencil the end with like probably I usually do the first year is just some general dollar planning probably preliminary design things of that nature and then the second year I've program in the construction dollars so all in all I've got a little bit over $200,000 spread out over 2026 and 2027 that's a just straight out planning level because cost estimate where I use so many dollars per mile based on previous projects cost and I use percentages for those other you know consultant engineering County engineering fost RightWay things of that nature it's a it's a very high level estimate but it it works for planning purposes until we get done with the city engineers and come up with a little bit more detailed cost estimate what's your plan for from Sherman here down around the corner down main is there a that's that's in the list as well but it it didn't rank as highly on the transportation plan projects it's a little bit farther down the list I'd say that's probably in the five plus year range five to 10 range um that's going to be an expensive project there will be obviously depending what the city has for utilities I'm assuming you've got water Andor sewer under the road that you'd want to replace um additionally we have that same convers about the width of the road and what what it would go to that one would be one for sure to keep wide um so there's that there's uh the cost participation you know and it's going to be interesting you know where where where we would end up coming up with that but right now it's not in the fiveyear plan it's it's all farther out but yes I I have seen it and it's it's on my radar but there's a lot of City projects that are in worse condition or more dire need so you're always negotiable on the with then well to an extent um because I don't know if you've ever drove through good Thunder during Harvest but there's nothing there's like four or five trucks going down the hill there could be three or four on the other side and the elevator was built in the 1890s yep and the elevator certainly extenda circumstance yes it has I think generates a lot of for the city of good Thunder abely and it's paying taxes here I have that right in front of me it's quite a contributor to the city of good Thunder as far as that and we as a city council have to look out for those businesses understood and we'd want to look at uh turning motions and things like that in the design to make sure that it's facilitated adequately so that you know trucks can come in and out of there as they need to to continue their operation but we want to also be smart with the the county and city tax dollars right I mean if a 60 foot wide Road isn't needed and you and it's really kind of detrimental to safety as far as speeds that are driven down the road of that because that just means more upfront construction costs more snow plowing more more everything right more future maintenance it's it all adds up significantly do you think that was a good choice on car Avenue how narrow that is and then the winter that you had last year with all the snow there's people sitting on the banks like this trying to get there that street is so narrow now I after to redo the piece the city did uh well when they turned it from State Highway 66 in County Road one right yeah you're talking nared it all piece of Carney though that's in town the whole thing in town the whole thing in Town's not my road our no City Limits where we go even though it's it was st66 until the end there turn back to the city man oh really so they're the ones that allowed that to be narrowed up out everything yeah that if you walk out here tonight you're going to see this road is way too narrow all these cars parked here way too narrow how often is it fullly I mean that's I'm not I'm not really here to debate you know the thing is though if we have our Council meetings and we have there's cars parked here and there's cars parked there it gets very narrow you know so again hopefully you're always open to be negotiable with the city's the needs and keep them streets that have been established hundreds of years ago viable for the small town yep understand that and that's something I like I said when we get into specific project you know discussions we've got to look at appropriate context for the design I I've been on Plenty of city streets where I I feel the same way I don't why they undersize it this tight and and again we went to to the standard for this or actually a little bit above the standard on this segment and you designed to the high percentage of use that not always the highest use like Vernon center and kelvin's there you know he I've been over there when he uses a street for to unload the trucks there is no other option and he is an anchor of Vernon center understood Y and we've we've had those discussions and you know it's it's tough in like Vernon center where the streets excessively wide and and the struggle we've got and that's where I think we want to find those compromises is we're not there necessarily to build parking lots or storage yards you know these are these are loads for for traffic and so we've got to kind of find that balance where we still facilitate and and try to try to meet the need I'm sure you've taken surveys with your meters the amount of traffic that comes through this town because County Road one is a major your thoroughly instead of shrinking it down might be bigger headaches and like buron how much are you shrinking that Street then that road is I forget what the existing withd is it's it's like 60 70 ft wide it's does it need rebuilding right there in the first two blocks of it really drove that's what drove the entire project yeah I know they were in trouble with a lot of them that's a big utility project so the county got pulled into that because of the say that's County 72 we had planned to do all right so you you just want our intent here over the next yeah really I mean I think the question is we we wouldn't have to come up with an agreement or cost estimates that are highly detailed my intent was to show it in the the capital Improvement plan for reconstruction in 2027 with the city if with the city understanding or or agreeing to showing it there as somewhat of a placeholder and then I'd say probably in in a couple of years because this gets updated every two years this this fiveyear plan does um we could we we'll have to revisit that and and get more serious about it probably by like 2025 start design and things of that nature and could open up those discussions so I I'm really proposing just putting it there as a place placeholder for the time being but I don't want to put it there as a placeholder if the city is going to come out and say well why the heck are you doing that we don't want to do that project then I'll pull it and then find something else to put in there for sure I think we should leave it as leave it in there yeah I agree yeah yeah and then I guess I I just let you guys think and talk more about the the turnback and if you're interested in that um the the reason I bring that up to is because it's has an impact on the funding sources that I would use for that for that project potentially I can't use County state highway dollars so we've got to start looking at more local property tax levy dollars or or other sources so there wouldn't be any state money come to help rebuild that if we turn it back no oh yeah okay so all right any other question questions about um you know that that process or the cost participation I know we kind of went through that a couple years probably something that so the planning five year 10 year for this the city can have input y on what the width and all that can't just you this County ain't just going to say too bad at we yeah we've got to come up with because ultimately we got participation it and I I definitely would anticipate that the a bar fire department like that is going to need to be a road that 40 foot wide um we're going to 44 and other areas which is pretty wide parking aisle and 12 fo through way so all right well we'll take it all under advis but keep us a breast of it and we'll go from there all right thank you guys for your time have thank you okay Mike drummer is here going to give us an update on our school building or your building now hi us the whole team Frank little Matt little and you guys knowon in Kina probably from from town here this is Dan from our office what we've done is take that up to him we unfortunately didn't bring copies for everyone but we've got a design plan that put 21 units in there normally vium budget that has $4 million in it and the legisl $39 million and it's designed for small towns so we're applying for that uh Dan can give you an update on that we've been watching it go staggeringly slow yeah so um back in July the program was actually supposed to have released all the criteria and the requirements for that Minnesota WorkForce housing um as of Friday or Thursday of last week they still have not released it um the state is supposed to um review it in on Friday potentially of this week but that's if everything goes well if it gets pushed back then it might not be to the year and then from there we have to apply with the city's help because we as a developer or the owner not allowed to apply for that program we would have to work with you guys and uh basically have your blessings on it and send it into the state for Minnesota WorkForce housing for the funds and then in about May the state will vote and basically they the applicant that qualify and approve for the program there's a couple caveats to the thing is one you can't touch the property at all demolition work it has to be approved first that's portion there the other one is this is different than a income base this is actually a city I'm sorry the state sets the guidelines of what you can maximum charge for rent that's not what you have to charge but there's a maximum dollar amount one bedroom a two-bedroom a three-bedroom and it's done county by county so they have a chart of all six cies and this is what you can charge for a two-bedroom or this is what you can charge for three-bedroom maximum so there's nothing income based driven on it is actually maximum rent based ding that's the difference why they call it Workforce housing it's for Working Families basically versus portable which is all low income for is the typical maximum typical maximum under the program county is going to be $1,287 and that was index for 2022 so 2023 is bigger you're going to most likely give a 5% increase and then for actually 2024 you're going to most likely do another 5% increase on top of that no again understand that this is this is the guideline the state gives Max so if you're in the city of Mano that's the maximum you can charge you're in good Thunder maximum charge St CL maximum Char that's not the r of charge will be under that that's how the workforce housing makes at a maximum number Char you typically shoot for compared to their maximum what what you typically shoot for compared to their maximum like in this town well I think we projected $900 a month potentially the uh other uh part of this brand is it's focused on under 16,000 in population yeah so if we have a population under 16,000 we score higher be money and there's trans out money to fix that put that street in that go along with this application at the same time on the west west side okay because you know we have that erosion problem there over the years and we talked about just putting a cbon gutter in there to take it down to the end but again you said that so people the body that puts it into the state again work with the developer but I think we could get both projects under the same is that building sprinkler right now no is it gonna be no it won't be sprink no sprinkly okay do you have do you have you drawn up a layout from the water side of things it's shut down and blown out so the boiler and all that's blown out and stuff but um the building itself for fire protection sprinklers is that will there be sprinklers for Resident I don't know if that's required not it isn't in good Thunder I don't believe yeah it's two two and a half stories which a half story is when you put the basement half in the ground okay yeah I don't I don't know I was just asking just to make sure we had capacity with our water tower to provide you have to have when we thought about putting the school over here you have to have availability of so many thousand gallons per minute and for a certain length of time just want to make sure you C have you done like a site layout where some parking will be and all that on it yet or can't you can you have you done any of that so you know probably chance where the playground is would be turning into a lot of parking playground would be parking on the west side there that most of the units will actually now enter from the exterior so like you walk into that playground area and there will be doors on that side walking up to the doors it won't use the corridor in the center of the building oh really on the west side that what used to be the library will actually be two apartments they'll have entrance of the we follow the because we're used to working the city M we follow the Mano City standard for for parking stalls which is the two bedroom is two stalls that's what the next question so do you figure like two cars per apartment then well if it's a three bedroom we go up inall but one bedroom is two stalls and two bedrooms two stalls and then goes up and I don't think that'll be you know necessary this is being done to appeal to young couples and young families yeah we have so many people that are telling us espe I believe that's what our ordinance is now yeah there's a car a stall for bedroom I think because uh nobody's asked yet but some days they're going to go well they going to have off Street party they going to be parked on the streets all over you know so we can kind of answer that question yeah okay all right so we won't see much activity for another six months at least huh we thought it would go faster yeah when they passed this we had last May it was it went from 4 million to 39 million so they really focused on it just to what they put in the fund and just he checks I check almost every day every other day yeah and we keep getting the same answer so what they have to do is they get together this where she from De Sarah she's with de so they have to get together her program and she oversees a multitude of other programs that the state has for the rfps and then they have to all look at their criteria and agree on them so they gave $39 million the legislature said here's $39 million now they're making up the rules and we don't have the rules yet even to what what we can apply we don't know the criteria and how we're gonna I mean we're GNA we have you know a good chunk of our project is female ownership and that scores high in the criteria the small town of good Thunder s High in the criteria so we're we're analyzing what took place in the past assuming that they'll use a lot of that criteria for the next one but we don't know until they make the rules you know they're telling us this coming week should be the rule making so it's it's it's state staff making the rules not elected officials it's yes the elected official voted give 39 million and then the state turned it over to deed Perman economic okay which is just a staff okay all right so that's the state makes law he makes rules so they're making the rules right now there any I mean you know we have the representative stop and talk to us here a couple months ago I mean is is there any way somebody could touch him you know I mean he know he was pretty open yes he was he was very good he pretty much said you know you need something you know of government move slowly you know but we don't want to do anything like that if it's going to you know they got that they got that that that third rail which is you touch it you don't G money that's it's very hard for us not to go in there and start working trust me yeah yeah we're ready to go just S no so just for the sake of uh asking the question if you could get going by May would they be ready for fall occupation you know how long do you think it would take once you get the okay the building is set up uniquely because it's super Edition so we could get a portion of it ready we would focus on the probably the older section first because that has the putting the the doors to the outside and you know if you go in there there's that fire door system right newer section the gym will still have to use a corridor you can't get exterior entrances off of those that'll still be a corridor in that section the old section of the building windows basically those old windows will be replaced with the setad doors you know being up here I don't know if anybody else heard we hear good on both sides you know or bad but I think we're very fortunate that we got it for a dollar and turn it over to you and all you people and make something for the city of good because like you said that very first night this is too good of a building to be torn down it is it is now we still have we're still working with what to do with the gym I me we want the gym a Community Asset because unfortunately you know we had to shutter the water shutter the building you know turn it turn it dark until we can get I mean Matt's been working on trying to get solar on the roof for throwing all things against the wall and we feel confident because of the city because of the Clos because of the need because of the use that we're going to get money from work we don't know that it's a pool it's an RFP you're competing against other people but right do you think they'll excited when we because it's this is is a shovel ready project yeah yeah I mean it's it's and that's what they like they don't like the projects where they can't just provide funding and then it takes a couple years as Mike was saying this is a project where can give money and then almost right away it can be turned around and be ready to go yeah being 12 15 miles away from man depends on where you want to call man you don't think that'll harm you as far as renting them out at all no not at all not at all help and my brother have lived six miles in between man when good Thunder been here our whole lives so I mean the corridor that drove on 60y Old 66 County Road one espe now that road is awesome yeah yeah we have a really good now in man 12 miles doesn't feel like 12 miles anymore the the update on the roads and some of that I don't think it's going to be an issue at all and the shortcuts you know to get to County Road 90 to go to Menards and all that it's it's fast it's all good roads now and we should have thank Ryan for that because Cony Road one's improvement from here to mano is quite an asset there's been some tremendous dollar spent on that to that as a corridor so so we can we can talk a little bit too about what's happening in the housing market especially d right here because we was just doing it today how much is the two bedroom going for about 1400 a month and that currently so you have to remember a year from now when msu's Academic School year starts around in August again most likely rents will be another $100 more even with all the housing that is built in the city of Mano new vent are still going to be higher there's no vacancies in the town it's unemployment rate is 1.3% there's no houses to be bought I think that the time is right for for something like this in a in a community that's 12 minutes away 20 minutes away has a statistically lower vacancy rate than the state average um so when you have to look at that percentage when you look at the city of Mano housing report the state's average I think is like 3.6 4% somewhere around there um I'd have to look again but then Mano score is statistically lower yeah there's some three bedrooms in man 2500 really there's a crisis right now taking place and if we can fill a NCH with 21 units in in this town good thing y personally I mean take it whether you will when when I worked in M we had no problem moving to and granted we were looking to buy a house too but we had no problem coming out to good Thunder the the distance was really really I mean it's nothing what part of town you go it's right 10 12 minutes from here to before you hit basically city limit that's driving there's a running joke with my in my office because I Sayer is only 12 minutes away and I get corrected every time I'm out by you both Drive the same speed limit I don't let's just say we don't get selected for it's not like the project doesn't go ahead it's just obviously the more grant money you can get the more affordable we can make it for the residence yep so I make sure that's clear you're not gonna have this building sitting empty made the comment you're working on solar too so they won't let you even keep continuing on after you know we never checked into that one that's a funny one we're trying so they might let us because if we R's not good enough then it's a different it's a different angle to it um but yeah this we're sitting with a bunch of solar components ready that we bought picked up at a fairly decent price so I mean it's going to have solar on that building this building really good the whole electrical thing that we're running into another projects yeah the Transformers are are 52 to to 75 weeks out I mean literally it's killing projects because you can't can't get the electrical components you need socket so we have a problem with the Met pack this yeah we're looking for otherwise we include that's part of the thing we might have to include electrical into the rent and then not get the meter packs and then use the solar to help offset that cost so that's one option right now a meter pack is 16 or 52 weeks out your a year out to get the individual that's kind of the problem in May C with that's in clear flats are waiting for Transformers that building's done sitting there dead found by the found by mag West yeah that Cubs I know we got a project that m i on for a different project and it's 24 months to get the the switch here that's after it's been approved by like Benco in this area they're kind of even fuses can't get fuses so hopefully we can get the back in and otherwise they find some repurposed once if we can an of Sol really helps them because I'm just roll roll electricity into the ramp yeah there's power in building for us to accomplish we need to accomplish it's just what Matt saying is be base R plus electricity now becomes your your base electricity your has to be shared all right well anybody else with questions not thank you and all your crew thank you guys obviously felt was the thing to bring you today y that's where we're at is we're first housing Grand perfect yeah nice to see the entire team we will talk too when we get to the point of that Western Street yeah that's yeah that would kind of curious to see you know if that would ever have to have a retaining wall so we get a little wider Street and then take care of the water problem and we could black top it you know okay we can have a them sure you having to bother you guys just to say hey so we know the dollar amount that we can throw it in the grant yeah we're going after that' be City to call up and ask the workforce I mean after first years R yeah we'll come back to you we'll prep the whole we find out what the rules are we'll back in contact with you guys hey here's the rules here's our here's our package that we're presenting to them all right okay thank you much and we can keep this one um if you want I can take it back and give you guys all copies yeah that'd be he was 21 apartments right y break down on how many of each size it should be I believe 15 two bedrooms and then two one bedrooms and then the rest three three yes cool okay there is the like two bedrooms are size big enough to where we the city felt we could make them three bedrooms instead what was the typical size of that two-bedroom be right now then like square footage yeah um I'd have to look exactly but like right now for here some of those are about a th000 square feet th square feet some of those are even slightly bigger I believe on the newer side three bedrooms up by college are 846 three bedroom see that kind oversized Apartments yes so that if the city felt that you guys would rather have three bedrooms then we can accomplish that we just about the city might prefer two bedrooms then we went in with cost in mind yeah a classroom already has the perimeter walls on it we kept it flaster as flter that's how that's how they got oversized could we squeeze more in there yes would it cost us more money in the long run to do it yes so make them big make them attract to come from man really I'm going to get 100 square feet for something in man that I'm only getting 700 sare feet for it's GNA be cheaper yeah okay so these all have to be market rate um R they have to there's a maximum cap that you can charge and we willon reach that cap is do you have to have any percentage that's affordable or um no work for okay so you'll have no like um rent incentive apartments or any like rent based income based where they get assistance from someplace like section8 or Hut or anything like that you can't turn that down but you still don't have to price it that under those guidelines our guidelines that we'll use is is created by work but you would be able to you would have to accept HUD but you wouldn't have to accept like a rental assistance program you have to accept what the state will pay but then the person has to pay the difference correct yes yeah okay there's no we can't discriminate yeah okay it's because it's fair housy okay okay all right thank you very much thanks at your water meters you're gonna need 21 more meters yep y the typical water use per person is 100 gallons per person per day so if you have 21 Apartments you could have 100 people living there so your water use is going to go up by 10,000 gallons a day plus the sewer is going to fill up faster yeah but is it going to be any more than what it was when we had how many school kids in there I don't know I'm just saying the calculation for population equivalent is 100 gallons per person per day so men women and children all live 100 gallons 100 Gall per person per day per day that a 10 minute shower or 20 10 half hour sounds like when you're sizing things that's the number they use okay well I just want to mention they just explained why we didn't want own that own that building that's the explanation right there why we didn't want to own that building exactly yep I'm glad that they did that yep Al righty down to Sheila and Victoria from the Cog about ESS well thanks for having us um I believe we've been working with Sue on on policy when it comes to the earnest can as we that this is a new state statute and like we just heard this is a law that was passed by our legislators yet there was no rules Associated specifically until now and they keep continuing to create these rules so with this particular plan uh it is a state statute that all employers with one employee or more um basically every employee by par employer that has an employee uh is required by law to comply with particular statute that allows for employers to provide paid leave for the specific criteria of sick and safe um sick and safe sick any type of sickly for themselves and for family members as designated of the statue as well as safety leave for any type of um any type of domestic abuse um that they time off for that type of that for that particular purpose um as well as closures closures for of a school closure the employee has a child and child needs to be come home doesn't have daycare the the employer or the employee can then take off leave job protected um to care for their kids um as well as closures of offices from a um the offices closed down due to weather related it is the employees can use that as PID lead from their as well so when we when we previously came and kind of talked through some different strategies we looked at your personel policies um and it was kind of decided that we would leave your current PTO program which at this point did not qualify um or did not meet the state statute um in its entirety so what we had done is created the Standalone that truly met the state statute um that would be employees can earn one hour for every 30 hours work or in a sense the easiest term is 033 for every hour worked uh they would continue to acrw these hours they can acrew up to 48 hours in a year um and then to a Max rollover of up to 80 hours um so at any given point if they aren't going to use any if they don't use any of the leave they can acur continue to ACR year after year but to only a Max of 80 hours period um and then a Max acral of 48 annually so there's an annual and then there's an overall acral within that thing so what we are here today to kind of present to you and this requirement that you will have to pass a new policy um and that is what is presented to you is that uh kind of draft policy yep um and that actually uh is is truly laid out specifically to the state statute um me requirement talk that we were going to leave your program Alone um so this already program we are aware already set up specific pretty much an easy kind of process for that uh but what it would be required that this Point um for sure is you have say that you're approving the new policy for this particular program we are currently working on actually updating your personnel handbook um there's a few things we started to update there was legislation also that that was passed in July that went effect of July 1 uh that will also just be incorporated into the new Full handbook um it's more on 20 more employees and now they basically brought it down to one or more employees so we're just adding those there ch um they still do it's just more of a protected leave for those particular purposes statutes um so we we what kind of thought to do is just to prioritize the earn sick and safe knowing that we needed to get that in place by the end of the year the rest of these really can go kind of present probably after the first of the year of full handbook there's a lot of questions that we still have about um drug testing policies and so we want to kind of get some more details specifically to that before we truly do a full update to the actual Personnel handbook but first and foremost priority is that are int safe there's a requirement for employers to provide policy as well as a employer notice on that the has given draft copies that is no different than like a your minimum wage requirement notice um all those have to be actually out as well so that would also have to be presented to emplo employees by the end of the year so this particular policy will include every single employee that works uh 88 we've had some conversations about them um it they didde this was before uh when we were here we had talked a lot about even for you guys as city council now state has come out with some rules um ex elected official state statute they're about the only things kind of criteria that currently has been Exempted from this we feel that there's going to be a lot more that's probably to come um that'll be interesting over the next year uh what we've been told is do the best you can for the information that you have right now um and so we're just we we're trying to stay ahead of it we're trying to kind of put this forward so at least have a baseline policy that just right now meets the state statute as it's written by law so what we can do tonight then we can officially approve this yes yes that way we have the notification to give to employees before the end of the year correct and then at some point once we get this updated we can just incorporate incorporate that so it's just one one and same okay um the fire department discussion that we had back your first presentation I think we at that time thought would be better to all in right whatever you called it that that time you know Lo the front load yeah the front load it um is that still it's still an option is that maybe it's still 80 hours to me doesn't seem like that many hours CU you know that would include all our drills trainings everything it does yes because every training's three four hours so what you would end up doing when you actually if you were to frontload that one it helps from a tracking mechan mechanism you're not you don't have to sit and worry about um you know trying to figure out how many hours they spend each individual spend each month frontload 80 hours what it does though is it allows for from a volunteer standpoint they're still gonna have to track how many hours I think they have missed and so those hours then on a monthly basis are recorded they're not paid because there's no money exchanged until the end of the year but what will happen is that they're going to record it the month in which and I would we would want to set specific time frames that um they have so many whether it's that month when there's each month they're submitting or ours sense of hey I need um I ran to I was on this fire call and it was a three-hour fire call let's say so but yet they may have missed it because it met the criteria of the sick and save they would then turn in at that month to say say I you know it would be no different than a full-time employee saying three hours but it's earn sick and safe versus three hours of a fire call um then at the end of the year when everything is kind of tallied to determine from a pay standpoint those hours or that particular fire call they need to be paid the exact same dollar amount that the actual employee or the the firefighter that was actually on scene also got paid right so I mean if it's 20 bucks for three hours it's three into the 20 yes and if it's six hours it's six into the 20 correct yeah y yeah so it's really you you can't discriminate based on this particular because it is a job protected leave you can't discriminate so in other words you can't dock their pay because they missed it or you can't if they're required from a percentage standpoint to meet this the number of fire calls those hours use has to count towards that percentage so it's looking at it from that standpoint sure yeah isn't the volunteer status pretty much gone now them technically because there's still the dollar amount they they say what state statue has also kind of said or actually the Department of Labor and Industry has basically said is if a nominal fee is provided to V to uh volunteer fire departments then they truly are volunteer department that nominal fee is typically going to be about $600 Max a year because that's what from a 1099 standpoint if you look at from an IRS standpoint nominal is less than kind of less than 600 is what they're using for the threshold but if they're more making more than that from they're not normally they're not considered volunteer anymore it's paid on call because they truly are paid for that particular service and if it's more than that 600 it's not a nominal fee anymore right so they're paid on Fault by versus volunteer so you have one individual just say one individual on the fire department that doesn't vake very many meetings and doesn't make very many calls at the end of the year does he have a right to put in that money in that month she's saying only per month in that month it would have to be so that's where you if you front load 80 you're GNA basically front load for every single one of them they are they they do have that opportunity to use all 80 hours but it's how they use it it has to be for this particular use but at the same time they can't ask questions why they're using it they could say there's no major requirement from a documentation standpoint to be able to show prove the hand out it is any way um if you were to not front mode earn it per hour they have to still turn in their monthly hours at worked so if they went to a call they went to training you're collecting that many hours but they're earning it at a very much less amount and the the idea of 80 hours you could have that same firefighter that doesn't really show up a lot but still on the department they may only earn by the end of the year 10 hours but you've got the others that are constantly showing up they're constantly doing the training they're the ones that are there they may end up with 48 because again Max is 48 a year but you're saying on theel basis you're saying they can't wait till the end of the year in request at all no they can't like a timely manner correct it has to if you have some individual that doesn't make it so he could apply per month yeah and and this money comes from where you us yeah don't make more money not showing up and showing up it's more of a dis I mean more of a disc service to the city and the fire department say we only have one call equals a half an hour I I would from a from a it's a lot of half hours before you even acrew correct and so I I would really strongly encourage think twice about front loading of 80 um is it going to be a little bit more work for the fire chief to track hours of actual on scene yeah it might be but in the end it might be well we keep Vlogs already of who makes the calls right it's y length length of calls well we do an icr and it tells you the time of the call when we arrived clear enough for tracking I would definitely acrew and versus front load on meeting nights so you don't have an so then does that require a Time Clock down there we always document who's there yeah but I mean you don't have to have a Time Clock it's just that whoever is there like if if there's one of the officers that are actually designate one of them to say Hey you know here's this is how long it it's if it was a three- hour training it was a three- hour training and everybody gets three hours of who was actually there but how about it the same guy that's always lagging behind comes in an hour and a half late on that three hours training and he's going to get paid the same you know there's probably some of them if if he applies here she applies for this program with the understanding that it's meeting the requirements is the other thing as you also can do is yes be tracking but if you don't have you don't have to have somebody from our one from the very beginning earning it right away you have to hit 80 hour threshold first of actual hours worked you could have some on the department that would never actually work 80 hours total in year then you don't have to worry about it if they hit it if you got that on 80th hour and it might be let's say July now it's easy enough to say yes here's my total hours worked I now have to back up and provide and give them the number of hours that they would have normally up to those 80 hours now into this bank to be able to use the rest of the but I I I think initially it's going to be a little bit of work but in the end I think it may be kind of second nature and it's already kind of there it's just compiling it on a monthly basis yeah we'll just have to work I I agree yeah and we'll just have to work where whomever you or Phil or whatever gets that information monthly to sue because you're going to be actually the the gatekeeper of it Gat it's take a month or two to scratch your head and then it should so if somebody accumulates on the fire department 80 hours by July and uh they got meet the requirements then can they not attend any meetings for the rest of the year and still get paid out of this if you think about if you got somebody that now works 80 hours that 80 hours is actually only what two and a half hours yeah so there that would mean that they could maybe miss another fire call so they're only using 2.7 hours if they actually can use it for their particular reason going R the worst the city might have to pay is in reality there's really no increase because correct because the the number is there already yeah I mean whether Joe doesn't come this time and Jane came you know this time I mean it it all you know it all evens out end because of what they get up front now yeah because of the 20 bucks call yeah yeah and it's then if they do say somebody uses H the it's 80 hours in July and August they take the two and a half hours that but we're still okay since we only pay him once a year yeah that it it doesn't get paid until the end of the year correct yes have to you don't have to change that at all okay all you're doing is is tracking it now when Sue would get in the reports the end of the month from from whoever is kind of going to be the gatekeeper on that end um what we have to what you have to be able to do is actually provide on a monthly basis the number of hours to that particular employee or firefighter that is actually um that tells them that they have so many hours of of protected Le that they can take off so you've got to be able to have the on a monthly basis be able to show to that particular person how much they've earned how much they've used and so that's the only kind of main requirement from a pay standpoint that can be still done at the end of the year right it's more on just we've got some paperwork that has to be done throughout the year it doesn't go with them either it does not go with them I mean if they quit or go away or whatever this isn't this isn't like a like PTO paying out PTO at the end you know what you PTO and at this isn't like that correct so how does it work on City staff just say Street departments that uh that hangs there all year long and the individual sees that first of December that it could take off the whole month and still get rewarded for right or not it doesn't really work that way though well I'd hope it wouldn't it because it's not as as a full-time staff person you're only earning up to a Max of 48 hours but are they going to hit 48 Hours of cruel yes they are Yeah so basically that's six days you have six days off that an employee could potentially take for their own sickness for family member sickness but those are all in days so it's think of it is is you from even your PTO program right now all you're doing is basically giving an additional six days potential for that particular employee to take on for those sicknesses and the reason for them so could they take a month off only if you're going to only if they got enough from a PTO standpoint because they're not going to have a month off they're only have six days somewhere I read there was something about 20 weeks that's P that is a totally different state statute that is not even a part of this okay that is a totally different thing that doesn't take effect until 2026 oh that's the yeah that's the paid it's that's the paid family medical leave okay so it's separate there's two different items here yep there's two different things so this is the that would have to almost be a documented that is a documented where the employee can actually file to the state just like unemployment you file to the unemployment office if you're not working you file to this they have to verify with the employer that they are one they're working and they are they're a valid employee they're confirming that and they're also but that employee has to actually file all the proper documentation the reason doctors notes there's got to be very specific things and that basically pays them 60% of their current wages if they are out for a serious health condition in a sense they have to be out for more than seven days and it has to be meet the criteria of a serious health condition them personally or a family member both it's it depends on what the scenario is who the family member is what the reasoning is parenting leave so they um employee now has a child baby born now they can take off as as you know 12 weeks up to 12 weeks the 20 weeks comes into play is if you have both scenarios you you can always take off 12 weeks initially let's say you you you're injured um you know and you know need you can't work and you can you need to take some time off but it's not paid through you um it's paid through the state the state actually issues the check they can take up to those 12 weeks but now let's say a situation changed where now same person now is going to have um a birth of a child that birth of a child change it's a different it's a different category it's it's a serious health condition the first episode is a serious health condition for themselves or a family member the second episode is a birth of a child different category collectively if they have two scenarios thrun at the same time yes then they could take up to 20 weeks collectively but it's not no matter what you have the serious health condition over here and you get 20 weeks off you only get 12 but if you have another situation same time frame now you can extend it potentially up to 20 up to 20 weeks and the state pays for that state state issues the check the employer and the employee pay for the tax it's like paying unemployment it's just like paying unemployment or it's just like paying Medicare Social Security there's a cost share between the employer and the employee that percentage amount then goes to this new in a sense Paid Family Leave I the state then turns around and checks while that employee is out on leave they're not drawing from you but again it's protected leave you can't fire them because they took this this but take the time off um you still have to backfill whoever is going to do that particular work um or however that would actually you know play out but it's you know it's not coming directly from the city writing a check it's coming from the state did anybody think that introduced this bill that a employer with six people and maybe three of them had the right to do this it could literally break the company and there would be no job come back to did anybody in the state ever think of anything like that who introduced this bill I I don't know which legislator I don't know where I know it was a I don't know where she was actually from I don't know if she's where I don't even remember her name is it Tina Smith no no no no this is State this is State this is State um so no I don't know which I don't even know which district she was a part of wow but I know it was it was a collective group it's been on the docket for probably be trying to be introduced that I can recall probably the last four or five years it just push through this year along with everything else they've been trying to work through opinion of it when somebody takes a Lun to off is no use get work you haven't worked here this long and we kind of repositioned different things you have to put them back in that same position because I've heard in the past they well we've redid stuff so you have no it's protected we're going to hire you but or keep you but you can you're going to do this instead of what you were doing as long as it is in with the same pay um I think one of one of these are in sick and go back in the same position I think there's another one I don't know if it's which one I off the top of my head it's just that you have to be put back at the same pay may not be at the same job but it's the same pay okay but yeah it's that protectively yeah we've got a year to work on that one though right yes there's plenty of time I wouldn't worry about that one right now we could have lots of changes that could happen before that actually now then there'll be 20 changes correct so I we just said let's put that one on the back burner we just know what we have to do now and that's that's this earn sick after a year they're going to be changing all this earn sick and safe time too always but anyway so for tonight what we main things we need to do is approve this so we have something to give to our current employees or any new employees start effective January one okay any other questions explained well enough there's no option I mean that's just there it is I make a motion that we incorporate that earn sck and safe time poliy made a motion someone to second I'll second it all in favor say I motion carried all right thank you all right thank you you have to go around to everybody in explain this well we we've kind of been yeah it's it's been a lot but there's a lot to this so we just want to make sure that everybody is you do a pretty good job of one of those things that's just like ah confusing very confusing yeah all right thank you thank have a good night have a great night you thank you thank you so do they talked about redoing this employment guidelines and jobs you know uh are they going to help grow up new ones soon yeah and that's what that is yeah that was just kind of what they had kind of brought up now um we can meet with them again in January or February whatever and then make sure that all of that is um how the county or how the council wants it and then we'll well I see in the drug and alcohol work workplace a lot of lines are draw through this does this have to be all that's what they she took out and suggested the red in part okay that I was going to ask her I forgot to ask with legalized marijuana now does that changed can or cannot test drug use correct unless it's a unless you're a CDL holder Y is that the only I think so have yet I think so because that's a federal thing you know but anyway we we've got time for this yes so I thought I just give it to you now and we can go over with um them next year under their new policy they're talking about phc the city of good Thunder is not intend to intrude into private lives of its employees so and say legalized F I mean it's it's changed the whole scope of everything you know race can't have it because he's got a CDL correct I think when I did my drug test for this job I asked him how I asked the doctor that changed and all he said was well there's a lot more positive hits that's all all he said well all righty Dar report we had 76 hours traffic stops uh one one ambulance assist parking violations suspicious activity and paper service any questions on that that move on to fire department had six Medicals one motor vehicle accident one mutual Aid and one lift assist any questions on that uh moving down to streets got few things here so the meeting in November the is brought up Place F450 does um there's the one that I gave you guys the picture of that's down in Dora that was a former M municipality truck I talked to the um it from the city of Postville Iowa I talked to that kind got the rundown on it they never had any issues with it he's got the maintenance records in the event that we go through is getting that truck said more the the plow and the sander and the M basically when I first seen it I thought well maybe we just swap plows on the trucks and sell the other truck with that plow on it um but I talked to Darren at chrisel and he said that basically the the plows on a trade is worth the maybe worth the mounts and the wiring harnesses for the to get the boss ball that we have because B that we have is newer and better said that basically you're looking at covering cost trade the pl and probably maybe the sander towards that basically breaking even on a new set of mounts you said that Sanders only wor that Sanders a got a gas engine in the skid plate one yeah aob um got a gas engine on he said no one wants that style anymore so said it's pretty much worth about 500 bucks oh really and then so that's on in Dora then yesterday there's F550 that popped up in Farmington kind of the same 2017 same mile same pretty much the same price that that truck there is 54 or five I say and the the one in farington is 52 so they if were to go about adding the plow mounts to that truck you're is the same price how about does that one in Farmington have a Lon the Box yes the the caveat being that that is a I for sure want to look at that one in person first because the company that's selling it is a concrete and asphalt company and the tailgate for sure the backside of it looks like it's pretty up so I'd be curious to see what the rest of the from the pictures it doesn't look sides and the the floor of the boxer all that in all that bad condition but I pict pictur the S right that's where that is probably more for sure I mean there's the guy said that um you could tell where the sander has been sitting in that truck but outside of that there's no no issues with that box and it does come with a tail well you don't have all the pictures there so um but what year is the one we have now 07 it's 109,000 miles on it 109 yeah and the dealership there if we were to trade the one that we have in said that it's probably only worth 10 or 11 and they try and sell it for 14 and I didn't even send a picture it's going to need new tires on it um as well as there's a this one's got some metal work that's gonna have to be done on the Box in that truck too everybody know what kind of the tires shapes the tires are on this one no is it time to update is it should we should we make a move and get a little better one or what's everybody's thoughts I don't know I think it might be time well I see that the rust is coming through the bumper from the inside out yeah that's not a good sign that's what made me kind of say that you know that could be more important than buying a bobcat because when the rust comes from the inside out on a chrome bumper you know yeah there's we look on me I think I showed you too the the box it's a steel box and showing where it doesn't have the big issue with that truck is it doesn't have wheel wells and it's just spring yeah side ofx yeah and this one here has fenders underneath it but again it's got luminum box which will corrode but they've made every effort here to keep it down to a minimum right that other one don't have that the other one doesn't it has an aluminum box but it does not have wheel wells on it yeah this was the one that seems to be a little better right that's from pictures and talking to probably the more it's it'sin it's for sure been the more gently used truck because like I said company part of work is concrete so I'm sure that notr which one the Doria one or the Farmington one Farmington one is in better shape no that one the one in front of you is probably theu Chris deal would take this plow and that sander in on a new Mount to fit this vehicle to mount our everything that we need to run the plow that we have on that truck yeah Zar plow is only what a year or two old year we just got that last and our plow I believe looks like it's bigger ours is bigger and it's that's a 2008 n and a I think it's a nine n and a half 10 foot boss pump so this is at the for dealer in dor then yes okay and then if we were to go forward with that we'd have to figure out what if it's worth trading the one that we have for that or if we try and sell that by whatever means you have to do for a city well if we did this now the one that we have then would not have a plow on it correct but it would still have the the all the everything for a it'd be ready for someone if they wanted to put a b p on it so it would have it would have the mount it it keep the mount that that truck would keep everything minus the plow the plow and the lights and the frame yes that gone the mount the mount has the lights on the the mount that's on that truck you can't put it on this truck right so that has to go with our truck but we're keeping the plow right but the mount will stay the wiring in the mount because every year every two years when they make the new truck yeah so someone mounts don't fit if someone wanted to buy ours and they had a boss P they could hook it up or they could take off the mounts and put on whatever whatever they I mean it's at that point it's up to them and what they want to do about it would it be beneficial to try to sell it all right or would it be just crazy didn't be done with it the only thing I would say about this time of year is if it takes a couple weeks you know there's no snow in the forecast for the next 10 days but when is the big snow going to come and we trade the truck and we don't have this one set the new one set up we could be screwing ourselves for a couple days as far as snow plowing we still have the big try I me I can't imagine that it takes more than a day to put yeah I can reach out to on that but I can't imagine if say bring that truck in next week what is the time frame a day two days right and you can schedule a day to the like I said we still have the big trucks is there very many of these on the private sector for sale you know if we put it out there and said it's under taking bids for S there's a fair amount um depending there's the motor that's in it's a 6o in that truck and depending on the person that's worth a lot or it's worth a little so it's it's hard to say but it what is it four yeah that 60 is not a good end right that's that's what that's oral engine and there's some people they call it the sickle yeah you basically 4 I put 12 Grand into my 6.0 with and ug they're knowing it they're just knowing it you're going to do it once you do do that they're Rock Solid they'll go 300,000 miles but some point you have to put those in if you haven't done it already I wonder if they would take uh 44 I wonder if they take 44,000 with a trade I could I can for sure ask them you know we want to have maybe I don't know if any of you guys got time to go down there with race or ask Ron if he'd have time to go down there and check it out before we do anything I don't have time I don't have time no I don't have this week time this week for sure pardon I do not have any time this week for sure where up Amy I wouldn't I wouldn't be able time but I wouldn't be any help oh so it's in to it's in deor it's over by it's right over the Border sou the harmony yeah Brian's volunteering should we go take a look at it what should we do we got to get moving here it's qu to nine um I'm I'm in favor doing something it's just how you do it you know how you want to do it I mean our best bank for a dollar yeah you trade it in and then we got to get at the Chris steal first to get off what they need to get off of it and then it the plow right it whatever you just dro the plow just dro the plow right take the mounts off because Western Western's gonna have different mounts on it so how about you know there's a truck dealer there s to deut I about you go call one of them and hire somebody like a do inspector somebody to go look at it instead of the city wasting their time and get a get a third party's opinion who has actual mechanical background you that's actually a good idea is there a is it a FR L whatever along 61 there something south of town there it's AER it's a trail country I think a it in dor south of dor yeah down there somewhere along there I mean look know the guy s that's going to tell you it's a JY right you know Ro where the the city of fville only got rid of it because they got a brand new truck and they got a whole brand new setup take that as you will what engines in it that's got a 67 that motor any good that's good one yeah and this red one yep I think every versus the one we got a six all yeah so actually 2012 has got the 67 engine now that we start snow has got the potential running into a [Music] curb all anything and tweaking something did we send it to an outside shop down there and have somebody inspect it or I mean these guys are going to try to sell it they're going to tell you it's perfect do we know it's perfect or we're just going by what they're saying what's a chance you take you buy anything use what do you do but if you were buying something your company they would probably send Tom frck there to well I would go down there with the check and go if it's what it they present it to be then we'd buy it but otherwise you know come back it's not yeah it's not then you come back I I kind of like um Jason's idea about see if there's um what you don't want a Ford dealer you don't want a car dealer knowing another C dealer that you know we just give them a 100 bucks and they'll it's okay you know but if not I mean I'm I'm okay with it you know I don't know if could we would we send race down there make an appointment at Truck Centers down there if there is a dealer and let them roll in there would you have give a check on hand and if it's do like you did Tom and if they take it there and say itns have time no we can do that would they allow that oh I think they would you think so I would think they would I'll take it it would be nice to get another opinion besides the seller if we if he calls down if he calls down there tomorrow morning says we want another independent to look at it and they say w and get upset about it well that's kind of a red flag right there is there yeah would it be wor sending race down there with a check first tell them hey I want to take it get another opinion on this track does race have S Ron yeah does Grace have the authority to sign the sale documents though was I don't even know I suppose I could email him up right sign I if they could yeah you'd have to check to see if they could eign it yeah you'd have to check with them to see how that would work yeah just ask all for you go there yeah usually they'll these Pap let you bring the documents back I would think so you know well especially if we trade and yeah we're leaving ours there you know because that's the that will trade right yeah because now that we start talking about it and Brian points out and Grace talks out the 60 is no good you know what might happen this winter we could dump a bunch of money in ours so maybe since it is not a snow winner let's let's jump on this let's get something done and have it over with otherwise if it poops out you're Ain going to get melted for it plus it'll be down for weeks to get fixed whatever otherwise you're going to dump 10 grand $110,000 truck well give them a call tomorrow morning tell them what our plan is or what we'd like to have done and see if that's allowable and go from there and I would think a city entity they sure almost let us take it without paying would it but you never know yeah I don't know I don't know they might they might you know so especially like John is saying we're going to leave a vehicle too yeah we're leaving one too they they quote that trade in yeah that's off pictures that's off pictures and they look up the VIN on what it's yeah that's so yeah yeah we'd have to could be eight yeah it's you know it's speculative once they go look at it closer so if if you call and can coordinate is that something you could do th Wednesday or Thursday this week yet then probably I'm going to Harmony on Thursday I can do it THS you want to go down there and take it to the other dealer no what what take it to another dealer to get it inspected I don't know if I have time you can stay overnight down there but I don't want to spend my whole day f with around fding around fidling around with the truck thing because I got Clans okay so do we need a motion then because yeah I wonder if you called down there I wonder if they would have somebody that would take it to another deal all we can do is ask yeah and the dealer that we request yes yeah you probably would try that tell them we request to take it to Truck Centers but he's if we're going to trade the other one though they're gonna have we're gonna have to take that one down to see what we're going to get though too anyway yeah I mean either that or uh we drop the plow or the plows already off of it take our stuff out of it whatever and clean it up as good as can and take it down there and maybe make the deal all in one day and bring it back home that's probably what I would do that's what I do you know I mean we got to give we got to give Grace the authority to do that yep make the deal not he maybe has the authority to sign the paperwork I don't know how that works probably not but probably the mayor has to sign that but find out how they would want to handle the paperwork tomorrow tell them what our intent is and see what they say of that if we have to just be behind it that if you look at it and you get somebody else to look at it and they say yeah it looks pretty good and he gets up here and it falls in the pile behind that's just the way to go you know buy and used you don't know what you're getting okay so we need a motion then yep make a motion what what dollar amount because Robert you just ask about 40 if they take 44 but obviously you have no idea what trade we don't know what the trade's going to be right you know what I mean I mean you're going to have to make that determination and but I would suggest that you give Robert a call here's the deal you know they're not going to do 11 they're going to do six you still want it well we know you know what the max price is we know what the max price Max is the 5465 yeah and then we're should be taxing exempt well I don't know how that will work in Iowa should oh ask yeah you pay your tax in your home state that's right yes that's right that's right they'll yeah they'll have to file it here anyway so I'll make a motion to approve race to go look at it knowing the max price is the 54650 check into what the tradein value is and as long as that what exceeds say 8,000 is it at least at least 8,000 would we all be okay with that yeah I would think so yeah that's probably a good way to state that he can make the deal and then yeah have a two for nine take eight have fun writing that one up in the minutes winding that until we get it yeah so John made the motion someone a second second all in favor say I iOS motion carried all righty stop lights Luke's got a I was in there this this afternoon shop lights are Jun kind of in disarray and he's got a quote here to replace him with LEDs retrofit pardon retrofit yeah retrofit yeah really a lot better and a lot cheaper to run this was on the heated side or the non heated side heated side I didn't include the non heated do anything on that until it's so somebody want to make a motion to approve the 17565 to get the lights retrofitted in the city shop some some in a second all in favor I I oppose car just along the lines of light I don't I don't see it on here there's a picture in there somewhere with a map of good Thunder with the map yeah that y um I went around two weeks ago looking at where dark spots um all the red dots where there's a ble that you could add light to the Green Dot um is kind of the most straightforward place that you could add a pole because that's right where that's in the church Park and it's right where the bus stop is because in the morning it's I mean it's really dark especially around where the kids are at so there really probably should be a light or something there because I've noticed especially now that it's dark half the time when I'm leaving for work for my house you may only see the two little reflective triangles sometimes and you might even not even see that on some of the kids jacket so I see this one out here is fixed now it lights this up very nicely there's another one in behind the post office Alleyway that's hanging up there it hasn't worked forever where we just put something like that on the pole in my corner facing where the kids board the uh bus that's kind of close where they stand too from the pardon I said that's kind of closer to where they stand yeah tell there's snow but well that's where they congregate to get onto the bus yes so I mean I don't think that'd be bad just to put something like this they replace this one yeah there's uh because they that yeah Luke's did that I thought it was a gray one now it's a dark one he had to replace the whole light yeah that's what I thought yeah he said it was cheaper to replace with an LED than it was so I myself I would just put one of them on the existing pole and shine it to the North there where the kids are boarding it would light it up very nicely maybe you can just add it to the project there then his project yeah and then the kind of the purple rectangles there spots where it's dark but there's not really a clear a pole there's not a pole and there's not really a clear place on where where you would even put that at and to get the power to it he right uh Ron he went around too because we were talking about it and then I went around with him and uh out here across from the storage units we got a couple poles out there that we could add a couple street lights to it also one or two for sure and then down the street from John going down North down the hill there there could be a one on the pole and top and one down below because that guy Ron says kind of leaves his car up by his house during the winter that Hill his brother brother leaves his van up there yeah because that that hill and all that snow it's very dark I mean oh you're talking on the on Hubble on the gravel yeah yeah going down over the hill yeah Peter right up on the top by you m and then there's one now in the bottom Rick Peters well mean it's old Caven house I can't name it's Peters Rick or Richard map River for a while yeah otherwise if it gets enough snow you can't make it up because it's deep Hill so that' be right down here on this one yep one down one on the corner right there and one down below there there's two poles so what do we do I mean I was Excel put these in then that you're talking about now or this all a loop project ex so if they don't have to put a pole they can just put a light it's a more minimal cost but if they have to put a pole then you're running with electric and it's going to be a lot more yeah so when I got a hold of the guy from Excel he said Mark it then send it to him and then he'll do like an estimate type thing and let us know okay that's one so yeah that's where we're at right now we just got to mark them to him okay and I didn't bring that list that I had so maybe r i and get together see how that coordinates with this one yeah all right down to him and we'll know where do y okay p no well I talked to there's a guy in Oldham South Dakota that he's basically like a far he's a farmer but he's also a Salesman and he has a couple he has three blowers that are brand new and for for example the one that I was looking at the exact same blower I was looking at in Jamesville was $99,100 and he's selling them for $ 8,100 brand new and ra behind that was he just he's not in it to make money he's just trying to help out um I guess other Farmers I saw him on Marketplace I message him and it's like brand new from the lent Factory it's $1,000 cheaper there than it is what's the name of the to I think it's Oldham it's another three hour it's three hours three and a half hours way so it's along the border somewhere yeah I can't remember su falls is two and a half hours Brookings is three hours I think about that let's see not a good dat it's yeah it's a little west of Brookings so past Lake Preston side of her onways this side of here round oh then you're talking four hours or better to get out there he said too if you go through with it you said he's more than willing to work out a deal to if we just pick it up from I forget where they're Len's based out of Benson Minnesota yeah you said you go pick it up in Benson too or it was the invoice that he sent was $300 for delivery which is probably about what you'd have to meet going out to get it well you go to Benson before you go out there right but I mean even fuel in hours you're probably you're not too far off that number is that something we want to proceed to get yet this year is a snowblower so we go get a new truck and then we drive up to Benson we get a new snowblower and we're all wed up for the year I make a motion we do it okay Tom made a motion something on a second second Amy second and all in favor say I I oppose motion carried yeah okay we actually need the blower for sure right no we don't not going to snow not gonna snow if we get it all then yeah we skid steer is the next thing on Races list probably but I'll throw out there but last last meeting we talked about top is 34,000 L Center that unfortunately sold there's a kabot of the same size and at water kind over by St Cloud 38 and a half same condition doesn't work it's looks new almost so well we're not going to get any s that's right we're not going to get any my thoughts are if we we purchase a truck and we get a snowblower we're kind of set for this year I'm just this is where I'm going to heading to I exactly and we can put it on theist for maybe next year right maybe yeah we'll see okay so we have a building permit here and haven't been a locate mine but anyway the individual said he was going to be here but is not here tonight it is uh did anybody look at it Scott did look at it John didn't no I didn't know Grace you I've seen it at it it's it's nothing I might have a picture of it it's I think tell you that he made it out of he made it out of you of used um pet pallets that he had in in miscellaneous stuff they had um in his yard is it that a carp covering it or plastic yes it's not a deck it's a it's yeah yes the 322 Main who is to right next to's and Bruce Peppers that little house oh and it's leaned up against the house on the back the back side of the house northwest corner of the house he did now he's already built it he's already built well if you want to call it he's constructed it um he received a letter because he was in violation which is where this came into play uh okay okay he did not get a permit before he constructed this and he B fessed up that it's a building that's not a deck correct I hear it says lean to uh Sue informed him that because he didn't get a permit that he also be fine 250 that if that would happen he'd tear it down I mean this is Bruce PPP right if we allow to be constructed there yeah to the house I so absolutely not I mean I don't think going I don't think it know see that's what it is yeah is it it's not even permanent though looks like I think it's I think he's got it attached to the house he I'm not sure if it's actually attached to the house or just buted up to the house it's got I don't know looks like 4x4 posts four of them probably could be nailed to the house to keep it for stability but is in reality covered with a tart we can't it's pallet Bard that's not that's not an acceptable building you know it's nothing you know what as long as we're talking about something like that I would say we decline this and whatever we got to do to get rid of it I mean I guess he could be told he's either going to face a $250 fine or tear it down because it constructed without a permit it's not acceptable under our building yeah or I I would maybe phrase it that you're going to get fine $250 unless you do if you do not tear it down you're GNA have to anyway and then you're GNA have to pay 250 bucks because you're Dilly ding by what date yeah give them a yeah give them a drop dead date yeah yeah 30 days yeah 30 days be good no snow on the ground yet and it's supposed to be this weekend some you know we got a house right on right on main drag that doesn't meet any our building codes either you know it's been under construction for like three years now and what was there a twoe stipulation and I don't I don't I don't know but you gota you can't you can't have and our code and I can't go to the code and I don't remember exactly what it is but that doesn't meet it the one with just no sighting no sighting on it you got to have sighting on it board's blowing off now every time they win there's chunks of it so I mean nobody's living in needs to get a letter I don't know who owns it or anything but the people to the West he bought that and was redoing it and then it just come to a stale they just stopped yeah so I guess you know he might have to get a letter stating you know this has been this way for quite some time and now what what is your projected plans yeah get rid of it does he have a permit for anything that or if he needed a per he probably did couple years ago when I started you know just some digging but have you ever found all the pass permits did you say one time you're missing some or haven't found them or building permits yeah no I found them but oh that was minutes that was some minutes that I was I've still been unable to locate I really haven't had time to dig for them but some of them I have not been able to a there amount of time before that permanent exp expires every year so really you're supposed to come in 10 bucks or whatever it is I don't even know and get a renewal really I somewhere in the ordinance yeah but it's been a few years look but from the time you start to finish a project it could be there's a time frame that's way over the time frame well we've had the same issue on this street to the very end one neighbor complained that it never ever has gotten finished and that was three to four five four years ago that individual was here complaining about that place never getting completely done either so um yeah well I wouldn't be so St worried about it up the stone you know if maybe the unfinished portion was in the back but a whole darn thing it's right on the main drag oh when you come into this town as a some Prospect of buying the house the first one you see yeah the first I'm glad I don't live next door and have to try to sell my house right now the first one you see is the one at the bottom of the hill straight ahead with the window hanging open you no I'm just saying yeah it just that doesn't mean the main drag of to that doesn't meet real appealing the uh no a lot of town you drive into it's all commercial businesses you know Jamesville um you know even Amboy all you know you drive down and like kind of looks looks presentable ours looks a little bit like a third world country know you're right so I mean how can you get somebody to well that's no different than the yards that we have on South holiday um how do we get them to spruce up their property I mean do you called in the people that assist these individuals because you know that the quality of life they have isn't quite up to par then we have one north of the old Bank too that has no water we have people that have no both of them have no water yeah no verica doesn't either how can you live with no water do we get somebody from BL County's Human Services to come in to help these individuals the city should be able to condemn at some point but I mean if it's a health and safety issue the city should be able to it but I don't having no water wouldn't that be a health that would be a health yes absolutely well Brian you know is it a health issue not to have water yes how can you safely push your toilet they're using yeah they're cheating them just that's right is that something we could ask Kennedy to ask is it appropriate for us to contact the County on properties for that that have had had no water for over three years both of them I think are over three years they yeahuh it's been longer than now I think so too but I guess it would be a a a good idea to look into Su can Callum see what can be done just yeah or give us some ideas that water if you get them people out and they come in and they see that the window is hanging over in the middle of December open I I I from what I've heard the stories I've heard about the one at the bottom of the hill chances are that house would be condemned that's what I would would be condemned anyways yes I mean if there's feal matter or any I mean if there's anything that can be a health and saf it can easily be condemed yeah the other one with no water that what you just said is probably a very big concern inside yeah to stench yeah other people have brought up to me and others it's that in the summertime you they can't even walk by the house it's like strong smell so sue give him a call see what can be done if anything I know it's probably end up just like us trying to clean up yards where where it'll go who knows okay we took care of the skid steer zoning permit anything else race for okay um did you want to talk that race had Kelvin and they they measured up the cold side of the city shop for 10 insulation whatever they would make it the bid tonight but that's coming in the future so good Brian real brief um just a couple of things uh we had Javin mechanic will come out and do another spool piece that burst a leak on the pipe from the well to the filter they did that and pipes are still shaking really bad so we had them come back and had some bracing it still shakes a good amount um I think race you and me should get together sometime this week I want two of us there we need to open up that filter and find out that pipe that goes in there I think it's broken free from its mounts inside the filter I think they rusted enough and that pipe is shaked and I think that's where the shake is coming from so if that is we we cannot enter you can't break that platee it's a confined but we can open it up and take a flashlight and take some pictures and see what condition that's in and then uh it's up to you guys if you want to get a quilt to get it braced up inside the filter and whatever it takes to do that but it needs something done we we mentioned one time about putting a soft start on the on the well pump motor that'll help you on start up but when it's stops it also shakes really bad you know the water hammers back the other way so we we'll check that out I think one day when you get a chance we we'll meet there and I don't trust anybody alone on that that's not safe either but time tomorrow huh yeah time tomorrow tomorrow maybe but I have to meet with a lady from the Department Health in pton and South Bend she's going to take samples so she hasn't called me with the time yet so maybe not tomorrow maybe another day yeah we'll see sometime we need to do that so that's that um they did a nice job of bracing it up but it's still it's um Hans there something I was gonna mention oh I missed that meeting when Bolton main came and talked to you but I did call and talk to them for over an hour before the meeting to let them know from my point of view what the issues are so that they could explain it to you guys better um regarding the pond and the phosphorus and all the other things with that so I won't rehash that tonight um but uh we moved ahead with the plan yes I know y That's good with it so that's good that's good so um things are looking good down there the secondary is really full I'll leave that till spring and get rid of it had something El oh I remembered it now so the inii um project one thing that we could maybe check with Bolton and mik you know they did the they did the smoke testing and we're going to do the um sup pump testing when we check for the lead service lines and make that a dual project and we can eliminate that or at least find out sources but the way the water comes and goes and flows is is so instant it almost makes me think uh there's something with a tile on on that end of town that is leaking into the water man they could probably do die testing you know in the spring when there's a snow melt see if we can I don't know if there's a map or anything anywhere that shows those tiles and where they're at if a guy could uh inject that green dye into the P line or near it and see if that ends up it'll show up right away in our LIF of manhole cover it'll be green is that Mountain Dew bottle there yeah because it's so instant mhm yep almost makes you think like maybe we've got a a sewer M and there's a tile cross in it and there's a break in it there and it's just dump and yeah so maybe we can mention if you talk to Bol M say you know maybe that would be an idea for this spring is die testing that's all I had had a good talk with him we did move ahead with the plans and specs preparation for the project behind well Sarah's house in the in the sale there because they really believe that's where MH a lot of it's coming from okay so because they want to bid they want to open bids in February all right thanks Brian next thing Community comment Anybody Everybody think about taking over the street taking the cash and run what's this taking the because he says right here he's going to up Main Street when they go come back in they they mess that up too they'll narrow it all up take the money and there's nothing wrong with the street one line in there because when he was talking about burnning Center streets I can see the Vernon Center Street is probably as wide as where between the the main drag the fire department block that's that's a wide Street too and I would guess that's about the same as Vernon right now I don't know why you would take out something that's existing and replace it with a grass patch makes no sense you know you're taking something away that was already there yeah Tree Huggers likey Avenue in the winter time is a very bad street anymore even with even without snow that's not a fun Street to Dr No it is when he said here how many times do you have these cars here people doing engineer things for the minimum engineering for the maximum right this is too small hands down they'll do the same thing to history down here hopefully there's a decent count a little fight them on so and County Road one is a main thorough the amount of traffic going through smaller because it's just big enough now when you trucks parked down the side and people on the other side you know this is too small every day of the year with these guys parked over here you drive with the truck it's too small every day of the year well even the block from um hul down to the bottom of the hill it gets down towards your else it gets narrow when all them cars are on both sides of Road get a combine the the Manure Spreader or the the mer tankers those things in a semi yeah there's there's people waiting oh you have to stop on that they hug the center line or they're over coming up hill cuz don't want to hit the cars all the cars parked there and he told Kelvin because I talked to just happened to call Kelvin after they met with him you know and he had Kurt Pap is it Kurt paper Kevin CH Kevin he was there and you know he says well you know and he had four trucks that day there to unload and they utilize the street Kelvin is the Kingpin of Vern Center really of his Main Street our elevator and the bar and that is our our anchors for good Thunder and uh he says we're not here to provide you a parking spot well kelvin's building was probably built in the what 1920s 30s maybe somewhere 40s so I just I don't understand the modern day reasoning you know whoever is on this console when they made the comment well it slows if you narrow the road s slows the traffic down there's not that much traffic on Main Street Vernon that's going to accelerate that hard and fast but that was a reasoning this it's safe you know talk about safety it's not safe to make the road narrower so people have less room to maneuver an accident there what was it like two months ago a guy pulling a trailer and he the corner was too tight and he oh yeah he's pulling a wasn't it a bean head or something yeah I heard about that in Arizona picture I did see a sheriff this morning sitting in um uh at 7 at 7 o' in theota Mart this way like right even with the gas pump just watching for Speeders coming up there you're getting coverage I slowed down by then yeah all right anything else under Community comment not we'll move on to unfinish business uh Food Shelf Library you know we suggested closing the library of course there's the typical Facebook feedback so I come up with the idea one day you know Amboy has a library yet I believe uh Mapleton does did Vernon I can't remember if Vernon said they did or not but anyway what would you think and Tom you said we should utilize a space when you walk in there to use our food shelf it's not very appealing mhm would would we ever just maybe build a wall straight back foot or two from this door open that whole area up to this building so we have another a brighter area for the food shelf and leave the books we got on the shelves until they literally never ever get used and we already know what that is I do have um a family that's coming in weekly now oh really yes for books yes just take that wall I mean basically from and just push it out to push back fill in the garage door yeah do we have to have two exits in this building where we do we have to keep that other door do we have to have two exit is I'm assuming you have to I'm assuming we probably put a new door in there build three walls put all ceiling in it you're talking about getting rid of the garage all together yeah get just be done with it just just just keep maybe a foot or two on this side of the door so the city that have a little bit of St have a storage area over there no I think that's a good idea and brighten up the food shell so it looks a little more accommodating because open up the door and walk in there let's all on the floor anyway get that and then so Kelvin and race they had they did some measur and they're going to give us an estimate what it would cost I think there's enough heat in this where if they could grab have another heat run and run back there or the heat from here might go there you're only talking what 12 feet yeah yeah isn't very not very much I think that's a good idea Sue could keep a better eye on the food shelf that comes in here which is not that heavily used that what we were told it was but still we're still providing a library a clean decent library and a clean decent food show it going to cost 5, 7500 I have no clue well and then it will give more meeting space in here that's right abely that's it would that would open up a lot a lot in here and you know you could put a table and chairs in there something like this would people come in there and just read some books while they're here if they had a nice area so there'll be some cost coming for that we're utilizing the space we have it right now really like you said not being used to his we try to use it somehow that's good idea okay that's what's happening there pass through water bills Sue how many you do a motion to start that process or you just going to hold off on that should we get the bid yeah let's get cost First and would that bid have to be made public to let on it I guess this used to be the fire hall and I think that was just kep well the oh you need you probably should get a couple couple yeah I mean we're not looking for bids because we don't have any specs but the police par the police parked in there and they two water bills do how many we have so we yeah um but when I was going to run and send out those letters we ran into a whole lot whole another issue with um some past due because they haven't been late at all this year they're not getting assessed or they haven't been I've got some that are $1,200 they haven't paid all year but they haven't they've only been late twice in the quarter so they're not going to get that $30 leg fee but then we've got people that come in and pay monthly and they're short $20 for this month and they're going to get that late fee because they're usually the water bills do on the 25th they pay it on the 1 or something and I can't do that no I won't send that's why so we have to come up with some how we're going to do that I mean I can definitely go in and keep those few that pay monthly they're not on the budget plan but they do pay monthly and they're just a few dollars short here and there I can make it so they don't get a late fee but then we've got to change how we're assessing late fees on water gos are we assessing it whether or not they've never been late before are they going to get that $30 fee that late fee or are we going to give them two or three times I mean if I'm light on my credit card by one day I get a $30 fee right so I guess the ones that are and there's a like you say a few that come in and pay and if it they pay on the 25th and it's a couple no they are making every attempt to be solvent on it but the ones that have missed payments they're the ones that should that have made no attempt correct to pay water bills paid water they yeah they should be the ones assessed correct I agree and I know when I look at the ordinance it looks like the ordinance says if they're late they get it they're assessed the late Fe because it says it right on the bottom of the bill so I don't know where I don't know how it was set up or when you guys got Bion but I'm thinking it might have been set up way back then and that's just how it went and nobody questioned it yeah well definitely do not do the ones that make every attempt to pay correct monthly making every attempt but then we have some that haven't been paid for a year right correct yep and what is the process have you found the process yeah yep so first they'll have to get that postcard of the late notice and then there's a letter and then the the door hanger I think yeah the cut off the water shut off yeah so then we go through that whole process race goes there knock on the door to shut it off and they give them $250 on a $1,000 bill Bill what do we do then well that's up to council that's not enough that's not enough no my understanding is they either C it up they either need to pay it at that time or they need to yes in full or they need to set up a payment play when they get that first late notice right I mean and it has to be a realistic yeah that's the time they need to set the payment not when you're standing there with the wrench y you know and I think it's is it mvac man that will help in not anymore I got a call today from United Health something about residents that are on Medicare some sort of Medicare that will help pay that because they were asking for an address to send payments they didn't tell me who or what but mdac is not I don't think is doing it this I don't think they had funds this year because I I I know yeah we they were getting few the summer yeah I don't think they're doing that anymore how many how many late ones do we have with the a dollar amount that's kind of high oh probably 15 20 that's thought so we've been behind before long before you started yes so so if they've been behind like I said I've got at least three or three to five of them that haven't paid anything all year did they did they have a balance They carried from last year then um I don't know I'm still trying to figure out how to read some of that stuff yeah there's something that just thinking here to read we don't we have to make a res don't we have to pass a resolution that we just attach that to their water to their taxes to their taxes it's too late for that this year we've done that yeah in we could have done that yes but then I don't know what the steps are that lead up to that I mean we can't I'm assuming there has to be those letters sent out and that type of thing yeah probably and just assess it I what I don't know why don't you find that out too as long as you're finding out the other stuff we're doing we've done it before times I know I got an email about it but at that point I just don't know what month was that oh gosh October maybe that's when I started looking into the lates a dollar amount are we talking them 15,000 750 500 I don't even know I haven't yeah I mean I remember one or two that are a little were a little over a thousand I think there's some that are about 12 to 14 was there like $1,700 there might have been I mean I can go grab it it's just certain there well we're talking we could be possibly talking 10 to1 15,000 worth of reue Revenue yes we we are not getting correct yes so if they don't make one payment and it's gonna they'll just start the whole well I paid what do you mean I paid well then start the whole thing over and that's it I mean so I mean each quarter that they're they're late do you charge them a $30 late fee per quarter yeah that's what it should be yes I mean that's what I'm asking that's what I pay when I'm late right right yeah if I forget to write the check and then go oh crap and send it I have to pay that 30 bucks you know so for for a payment plan what is considered reasonable what's a reason amount of time depends on what dep the amount of money youing 17 $100 I would say I would say in thirds you you should cut it into thirds and probably I agree with you nobody's bill is the same well most part so but it should be everything should be paid within the three months that our billing cycle is so I mean if you have a $300 bill you should be doing a $100 a month but now you like we've got some 17 $1,700 bill you want that in thirds I mean so it's kind of I think part of that too is just going to have to be a common sense thing you know our best judgment so big bills if you don't get a amount of money they're never going to cut up Bill that'd be 400 plus you're GNA be need to be paid at least three three to $400 400 times four it would be 1,600 but if you go on that installment plan or then are they considered late every month the for every quarter if they have a payment plan on $1,500 that $1,500 gets one one late fee yep then their next water bill comes in now if they don't pay that water bill then another late fee on time because they could potentially keep their payment plan over here but then pay their $300 water bill that month as long as they say I want it to go on that month's water bill we don't assess that late fee I'm not sure how Bandon works with that but we can figure it out well we got to do something we've had this Runway train before and we got pretty strict on it and we got them caught up pretty good pretty good but again there were a lot of these before you come on board and was never mentioned to us that we're people are behind so thank you for bringing it forward so we can act on it that's confid so okay I have another one um water's been shut off for a couple years nobody lives there they're still getting a month they're still getting build per quarter but we're shut off at the street now according to the ordinance if it's been shut off at the street they do not acrew any more chares shouldn't no so and the the property's vacant this is the one that you and I looked at the one you guys looked at remind me we're onard Willard oh oh oh that one okay I don't know when that water was shut off but I know it's been over a year we for that I would so I'm not I have to go back in and look to see where I know there have been payments made but I think they were a year or so ago so they owe money but the water shut off the water's been shut off for a long time yes that should be that's one I should went on taxes but no because technically they were they weren't having water so they were getting charged they getting charged they were getting charged the bare minimum per quarter but they didn't have water they didn't have a service they were shut up so it's the oh they didn't as far as I can see they didn't owe it but when it was shut off at curbside it was never inactivated in Banyon so the bill kept generating that's that's an adjustment that we can vote on in May he was worried that the water was still make a motion that we froze that could freeze I think right now it's at 770 roughly I'm not I mean if if it truly is yeah I yes and I have to find out when they moved out and I don't know that it is for sure for sure shut off 100% shut off I went to the SP it in the back of the house I tried to turn it on that's they had a water man broke in there the crawl space underneath the house there's nothing I don't know the probably little screen that's going over back the back it's not even on the house you could a raccoon could crawl in there I mean there's nothing there's another one that you get a letter for deficient house well yeah now that we know nobody's living there um there's also vehicles that are not licensed so well yep just keep going here y I'll make the motion that we go ahead and and and uh refund not refund no it would be umed adjusting we'd be adjusting that bill yeah for the charges that were aced after their water because you you've since you've been here you never turned the water off to that I never no I never so it's it's been off for over a year because you started what late October or late yeah November first basically I had heard there wasn't any water this was even last winter that there was no water in that place yeah so Tom made their motion some second I'll go ahead and second all in favor say I motion carried along with that the old post office that had a broken one before that's still off right cross from the bank that used to be the Old Post Office dentist place they got a meter but is it shut off because that's the one that that's 344 main right that's one right there that's the one we had a large water bill before that's one that flowed water for a long period of time yeah right right M I need to know that one and the Dakota Mar is a Dakota Mar sh I shut off remember that the one at 344 that one I believe is on because I put a new meter in that because I was under the impression that that would whatever was between the was worked out chances are that's not getting heated and we get into a cold spot it's going to break again and do the same thing and waste that was hundreds of thousands of gallons right weren't they working on that house I think living they they wanted water in there because they were going to be working on it to sell it I haven't seen any activity there haven't seen any I think I have her phone number still isn't it the property right next to it they're the ones that own it right no no it's somebody out of the Cities Farmington wasn't it or somewhere then I don't know I can call them tomorrow and make sure there yeah well it needs somebody has to have the foresight shut it off before it weighs hundreds of thousands of gallons like it did last time because we forgive some of that cost didn't we did yeah yeah and we shouldn't have to yeah they should have the foresight to shut their water off and not waste the city's [Music] resources yeah so I'll look for a phone number tomorrow and see if and the other one that you're questioning was where you said the raccoon can go into oh that's Ard the yellow trailer I don't know what the 8099 we set the letter for the grasses oh okay got the truck sitting in their Drive there's nobody's living there then no that's one of the residents um neighboring residents came in and said that nobody had been living there since September oh really but the truck is still there the truck is been there though for since before i y that's been there forever y yeah it doesn't look like so is somebody going to be coming back there or is it gone for good or I think it was in almost tax foreclosure too isn't it yeah there's a substantial amount of P taxes do at this point on it well there again though they still should get a letter whoever owns it and so that we got a paper trail going you know that's all we can do at this point right paper for goone and and uh go from there in fact I think I sent something and it came back because there was no for reading address for something else though I think it was the surveys I think I remember sending one out there yeah that this is abandoned I mean I think it's probably it's probably abandoned is my guess but what'll happened probably it probably would probably is with the trailer I don't know because it's I mean you know I don't I mean I don't know from a city standpoint get rid of because I was just looking to see who is the current owner um Griggs James Griggs there is never an old gam is that is the original owner of that place that father gave it to the grandaughter or the daughter was daughter gave it to the daughter daughter never put it in her name um and so it goes okay so what what actions does the city do with that does that sit there dormant like that or well send that letter I mean I can send a letter regarding yeah no you need to do that we need but what do you want it which letter do you want me to send out there abandoned property um both the TRU I mean the trucks with no license whatever orance in the ordinances you know a couple of them however many ordinances had information she found out you were telling me about this and it took a while for me to get it but if some of these towns around us now are a b going y going to the owner and saying we're going to upate this and you're going to pay for it but then they do it and then and it's gone the isore is gone then they only charge 10% of what it the real cost was to the property owner just to get it done to get it what gone get done y because then the property owner can go okay instead of it costing $220,000 or whatever it's going to cost me a th000 or 2,000 lot of times it only charge for like the labor of the city worker whoever is going in there to do it orbe half of it yeah I that that's just throwing it out there that's maybe what we're going to end up having to do with some of this stuff but you could only do it if the property owner is willing to sign it you cannot force them right because then you end up storing it but if you have the abatement you go in there you clean it up um for like Amboy they had some residents that weren't able to do that for whatever reasons and they just needed help so you have one just north of your place but they have to willing well that's that's I'm wondering you know I mean just thrwing it out there 10:00 at night we don't want to you know like in but think about that you know that I just drove by that the other day in the daylight and there's just literally piles of nothing J I know it's all junk I know it could be literally thr and clean it up in a matter of an hour you could make take the place looking terrible being okay I'm just curious how is it just it's disiness now the Christmas decor are there and tipped over laying there with the rest of it and they'll be there at Easter anyway just kind of put that in back of your mind I think that might be what we're going to end up having to do with some of these places just bite the bullet you know so like that pickup that's sat there and I believe there could be one more vehicle there there two vehicles on that one at Willard which one you talking about Willard y yeah there's two vehicles they've been there two four that Chevy pickup there's one on the side oh there's one on the side one over here on the side side oh do we have the sheriff run the license plat who the current order is and then send them a letter and saying you know this vehicle is not licensed it doesn't meet our ordinances please remove or license something and you know what you're going to probably get somebody to call you up well that's not fair you know what I mean but just you got to start somewhere that's right that's the answer you have to start someplace so okay we down to new business we got onf finished yet I just I just want to mention you know we're talking about the water bills not being paid and all that kind of stuff in order to get a grant we have to raise our water rates to $74 a month or the water just the water just the water so is that the $35 connect fee you'd have to raise that to 75 no the water everything yet too and then he said the Bas usage then it' be 75 versus whatever it is now yeah the minimum would be 75 on top of what it is now yeah so so if you take our bills say your water bill is $75 for the quarter we need to add $74 more a month yes to that bill so we need to basically increase by$ 1220 whatever dollars that works out to $132 more a month that quarter yeah that's to get us just to be eligible for Grant that's not not guarantee that we'll get the gr $74 on top of what an individ individual's paying per month correct per mon $0000 a quarter for water yeah wow you wouldn't be a afford to take show 74 times three because that's every three months we pay they say a year more for water was that what he said be two and a quarter a year I thought he said it'd be 800 it'd be $900 900 bucks $900 year 900 bucks top two and a quarter that would be yeah and then that's what what what the average would have to be I mean not everybody would be raised to that much because there's businesses that use more and I mean you know that kind of round that down a little bit but that just gives you an idea and in order to get sewer money you'd have to do the same thing yeah so you'd basically have to increase our quarterly bills by what 450 bucks basically every quarter yeah or resident her resident that be $1,800 a year yeah to qualify for a grant that's just to get to that doesn't mean we'll get the grant no no do you qualify for it whether you get or not right correct and that's where we always run into all the time that's the that's that wall you know wait for a grant we need to get a grant well is it worth it to the community you know not today but maybe like I told I said that night you know maybe in because because we we said put us on the list let's get something going for this PFA business right so that we have something at state level going so that's what they're going to do to initiate we don't have to do anything but at least it's there you know what I mean but if uh in three years maybe who knows I mean they put 21 Apartments there he looks at good Thunder and goes wow they filled up in six months I'm going to build another one great big one out here maybe it would change the climate of the community enough that you know right right instead of being 8 or whatever $400 a quarter maybe it'll be 200 a quarter and people go yeah it's worth 200 a quarter to get that money that free money you know but today it doesn't you know what I mean but we're kind of on that Tom I would I would really like for us to do and if we could do it in January before we get into all these other little projects we got to do I would really like to have a special meeting for strategic planning that we can map out you know the the water tower the water treatment the well you know how we're going to fund them and then plus all the little projects we got coming we got to fix the alley by the post office we got to fix those two men manhole covers holiday eventually South holiday yes is a Band-Aid on a Band-Aid right but I mean because we talk about it but I think until we get something down where we can actually have a written list and start putting some preliminary dollar amounts in and then so like when race comes up to us next fall and wants to get a skider we can say boy we got a lot coming no we're going to have to wait another year or yeah it looks we yeah we can probably swing 75 or whatever thousand or whatever that how much they cost 25,000 whatever you know but um I think we we need to get and it would have to be a we'd have somebody would kind of have to map out some of the topics we need to go over but I think we really need to have just one meeting where we can sit and talk and invite see if we can get people from Community too to say hey what about this in my backyard or you know whatever is going on so I mean I I really think that would be beneficial for us as a city a long term yes yesly long terming of the city of good Thunder but knowing knowing some of those long-term dollars like I don't know how we'll ever afford to do the well and know that if we never get a grant um but it also then will kind of help us know what we have shortterm dollars each year too to for planning purposes you know um instead of just going off the cuff sometimes we definitely need a plan because you know how many years we've talked about the treatment plant right know it's got to be at least 15 now and it's hanging on by rust because I mean and with that we're gonna have to have that caveat in there with I and I if we've discover something that of the hell that we're going to have to fix the ey and ey we got to have that flexibility to go there too you know it is just a plan but at least it gives you a map a map yes that's I was looking here in some of these I forgot to bring that up four I see our water and sewer probably the ones here our water and sewer now are we've paid back didn't we The General far as I can know far as I know yes we have because now I see on the revenue side we're finally making a little money on the water and the sewer yeah and we spent you know a lot of money on sewer televising and all that uh Mining and water this year too so you got a good idea John we need to get them in paper categorize or prioritize which ones are most important and then work on them yeah because that damn thing across the street has been forever but never happens that's something we're going to need funding for too cuz we we don't have the those those funds to do that we have to borrow that money yeah we would yeah no question about it so but anyway you know I mean what do you do first the well or the treatment plant because you know if the treatment plant fails at least we have water but if the well fails we're out of water right you know what I mean so yeah but anyway and don't know you know what the plans are for that lot over there but I know they are looking for some clay out here in this project I don't know if it' ever be worth their while to take that lot down street level over here where we prop a well would we ever think about lowering that and getting that street level you know it's up now what three feet four feet yeah probably but then you'd have a kind of a cutout between the properties would you well I think the other owners would allow it to go down too to get it down you know if they were ever looking for dirt is that something that the city be open to to get that level that lot level street level on the West Side anyway there is a little hiccup with there being a fi I think there's a fiber line that runs but it's in the boulevard though no it runs straight to that the pedestals on the other side of the sidewalk because you remember where that tree stump was that they cars had to ground out yeah it runs right underneath that oh really yeah I think that's a fiber line they put that in line and it may never develop but I thought they I heard they were looking for some clay which that is probably all clay there once you take a little the dirt off the to you you know you could get that lot level down level leveler but that's just like City owned property now there's no sidewalk leading downtown and that's our property now so is that something you put on that list yeah to oper sidewalk going down the hill so good idea yeah all right new business want to present these okay so the first one the resolution for $0000 was from memorial fund okay someone second I'll second all in favor iOS that's good um second one second one um so I got these from Mike stalberger from the property environmental resources regarding the elections um so there's one page here that I'm not sure who the municipality I'm not sure if that's you Robert or if that's me that signs this one basically they're just stay I think here um evidently gives out money for those with the mail and ballots to help cover costs and defray costs but what they would do is they would keep the money and then they would disperse it out towards the use for whatever they we have to use so we wouldn't have to pay for that um it looks like it's like $95 per municipality is that number 11 or number 12 um this was number 11 okay no this is just a sign this is just something that needs to be signed that's just one here correct yes yes oh okay okay okay so that's the that's needs to be signed and then the resolutions are that came with it I'm just stating that they're stating that good Thunder is a mailin ballot right community and then 12 has to do with the right in vote poning if they need to some not I didn't quite understand how this one was read was written I don't quite understand one that one either basically they're stating that if it needs to be they need to count the right in votes that I don't know total number of writing votes for no is equal or greater to than the fewer number of non-ri in votes so they don't count the writing votes unless there's enough to count if they're not put on the ballot was in that email it says we would greatly appreciate if your your help in passing this resolution so the County elections office will only need to count right in votes when there are no name candid candidates or when they may impact the results of the election then blah blah blah blah blah blah so that's what wres Mickey m that's and that's that's that's their example is that's exactly what they said well it's non- legit so yeah for the non non legit okay put names of people that don't even live in town or random characters or whatever that's what they one yep you're right oh yeah I didn't catch that part before only going to yeah they're only going to record the writings if that person who got the right in has an equal or greater amount of votes than the fewest number number person on the ballot I get it that would be if me ran and then somebody wrote somebody's name next year tell them when they write your name in again negatory Tom it's a right [Laughter] in okay so we need somebody to make a motion to approve resolution 11 and 12 and then as far as signing this municipality would it be me or the clerk I say it should be I think it should be the mayor I think so too I actually have the original one I don't know when you want to sign checks but you want to step in tomorrow I'll stop all right so make a motion on 11 and 12 still moved someone to Second it second all in favor I car and then 13 the last one is the $15,000 donation for from the fire station for repairs and turnout gear for the fire department there was one in here for $100 did I missed that that was number seven that that was first we that I can't find that one right now CU this fell on the floor and I mixed it all up yeah from that open y okay yeah so somebody want to make a motion then to a resolution for 20231 13 fire department some second oh second all in favor iOS car all righty miscellaneous business uh we got here for Bank runs for a total of 11201 let me make a mo to approve some a second anything else under miscellaneous we passed water meter water meter vendor last meeting but when I listen to the meeting back Tom you mentioned that would potentially not I guess what's our next step with now that we've approved it what is what's our plan of attack I think if if we can do a strategic planning meeting in January okay after the initial one because that's one of the things we need to talk about our plan to go in and replace water meters the lead pipe and then the sump pump because we should probably try to do all three of those at the same time where we can yeah yeah okay that's and that that's what I was thinking so everybody else is okay with it like this we don't need to do anything with that no that was just letting you know that um they're raising the RS yeah it's kind of a nice little sure same this is school here City you know pretty nice that's the number we and in your property didn't know those numbers Y and will that go [Music] up a perimet number that's probably what it is now for this because of the valuation guess guess so you know that is a very nice little boost yeah to our city finances y I mean you know that's that's like a 3% increase what's that taxes on everybody else you know but we didn't know that number and that's why we said we were just going to leave it the same oh oh okay yeah that's the total there between the state and the county but or a city in the county but the cities up there you know it's quite a it's a nice thing and again once it's finished it'll probably be yeah so it'll be nice to see that oh yeah I was off the uh oh really all right anything else on miscellaneous are we done for the evening I was just GNA mention I don't know how true this really is because I don't know what how high up the person was but um the phone company positioning to cell consolidate is positioning to cell again supposedly and so they're going to bring fiber into Gund yeah bring it to bring the service up high make it worth more money yeah the interesting thing is we know the internet in town is bad well the guy that came out said that that modem that they sell you or that they bring to you is junk you need to buy a 15 years you got to buy a you got to a big better one on your own put it in and boy does it make a difference it's still not great it still has issues yeah but it's better it's way better than it was oh that's something you did yeah you Consolidated well not through Consolidated just go down and buy one put it in something go buy mem I did away with my cable I says no you come out and get it I've been paying you hey through a came when they came he go I said before you leave I want to make sure the internet and he went down where's your m box he go this is what you've been using yeah well first of all I'm GNA go out and get you a brand new one probably all I know about TV and Consolidated is that someday I'm not going to be able to put Channel 12 on and get man because that's all going to go away and that's what's going to piss me off I can do without the everything's streaming now get your channel on yeah anyway I'll make a motion to ad Jour that's we're waiting for my an John second say motion cared thanks everybody