To the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Thanks everybody. All right, first thing on the agenda is a consent agenda. It's a normal business that we do every month. Any questions on
A throughF? If not, somebody make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll make a motion to approve. Second, >> I'll second. All >> in favor? >> Motion carries. >> Community comment.
Anybody with community comment? If you do, please state your name, address, where you live. Nobody. Okay. Next thing is uh Kelvin Kelvin Barts is Bart Storage extending the street 150 ft.
Kelvin from Bart Storage. We have a units over here that are basically 40 by 140 foot. And in the spring, I'm going to apply for a permit to build one door behind my exiting wall there. And you guys got the city street that's right beside me. And I was just wondering if you guys would consider extending that
city street out another 150 ft. that would pick up the second not something that would have to be done right away or even this year but just to consider. >> Yeah, I would think you know since you've invested a lot putting those buildings there
good business that can serve them back buildings better. So should be no problem. But there anybody >> should be just fine. >> Well, we have to get that engineered or
contracted for how I don't know how to >> the last time it was done. Uh the Peterson boys, they just made a road bed, I believe, and put it there. >> Engineered such put there rock on top of it. >> Y >> we're not running anything like a heavy
completely red. We'll probably make one of the out. >> Well, if we ever redid it, basically we'd have to put some water and sewer down. >> Yes. >> You know, >> you have any water in them buildings. >> I think when we redid the county road,
we extended that uh we got that hydrant to go farther to the west. So it's right in line to make a jog and go south. >> Go down. >> Yeah. So that's kind of little foresight that we had there. So it should be no problem. You know when
do you think you'd be starting that building? >> I'm going to try to start this so that we're working as soon as weather permits or whatever. But I know how everything works. It doesn't always all come together like >> All right. Yeah. We'll do our best then to get you the extended street down
there. If you're just considerate, that's all I ask. Just look into it. So, >> all righty. >> Thank you very much. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. Uh, High Performance Garage. >> Hey, so plan on doing the Dunder Show again.
Open for August 1st. Uh, basically it's going to be the same game plan as last year. Um the only difference is is we're open like carnival rides and we need uh Mindot signage is going to be the biggest problem we had last year is
people having a hard time getting to the event. So if it uh does pass and we can't the same park be using the same spaces as last year. Uh we would really appreciate some sort of road closure signs or anything that we could potentially direct traffic that way a
little bit better. Also, uh we've been approached by lots of people that have asked for, you know, to do a parade, to do anything else in town. And uh we would we would love to help everybody with that, but we are only two people. We can only assemble so much of a team.
So, if we were to do August 1, you know, maybe we could put out some sort of memo where anything else that other people want to do, be able to work their plans onto August 1st as well. >> Yeah. parade citywide garage sale
>> anyone wants to do. >> And then another thing few people talked about removing that ball fence that's down in that park and if that were to ever uh come out me and my brother and I could probably get a few other people to help with that and
uh pre down there. >> Yeah, the warning fence there is getting pushed out of the ground by the frost all the time. So, it's it's getting in disarray. And I mean, we've talked about it, but never acted on what we want to
do down there because there's been no ball games down there for a couple years. So, I guess did we even have a meeting about it and nobody showed up about ideas or was that one of our ideas to have a meeting and
see what idea to have a meeting, but I don't have an fence around it. is that you got the gate where you let the cars in last year. It's nice to have a fence because if you ever do an event with a wristband or something like that, a paid event or anything, you got them contained now and people can't come in from all directions. That's the best
part about having a fence down there. >> That is true, but it's not enclosed all the way. >> It's not a full fence. There's still large areas that don't have doors on. >> Right. But >> but I I do >> maybe won't be the only event ever down there. There might be other events where
maybe they have a band or something and they want to serve alcohol and they want to contain it. >> Well, like we've done years ago, we' put up snow fence, orange fence, you know, and posts that could be done for event like that for a day or whatever, you
know. So, I guess thing best thing we could do as a council is uh have a public meeting and see what the thoughts are of people, what they want to see down there. We talked about pickle ball court. um tennis court, right?
>> And uh was a basketball court. Uh we have a section of blacktop, but that's too wet there. So, I mean, something's got to happen because we have a very nice warming house, but your event there last year utilized that more in one day
than it's been utilized in three years, >> two, three, four, five years, you know. So, you guys, you two guys were very, very successful in your car show last year. And thank you again. So if you're looking for that this year,
that's fine. Um like you said, uh citywide uh >> August 1st. Is that is that close to when National Night Out is >> That's the first what is it? Monday or Tuesday of >> It's a Tuesday. >> The first be the fourth.
>> Yeah, >> we could potentially do it that day as well. It doesn't necessarily have to be on that first Tuesday. I mean, that's also something that we could do. >> I was just thinking it's close enough. The date's close enough, >> right? Right. We could have a the
Thunder Day or or Yeah. the city could sponsor some of that stuff, too. >> And if you guys could roast up some of these younger people to get a parade, it'd be very, very nice because I always think small towns and small parades is very, very important. I
mean, Vernon Center, hey, they missed out on theirs last year, right? Just one year was a two now. >> Been two week. >> Yeah, because of the construction. But are they going to be back this year, Kelvin? >> Works out. So, >> you think they're lacking volunteers, too? >> Yeah. See, it's the same people that
done it for 30 years and them people are kind of like tired, you know. But, um, >> I do like the idea of a parade, though. And I don't know, do we have any street signs like event? Um, but I'm assuming we could rent them somewhere.
>> Yeah, we could. I mean, luckily we got enough time this year we can look into that. Yeah. >> Well, we can just get some made, you know, ballpark uh with an arrow and >> Yeah, that uh sharp plane. >> Yeah, he does. We're cheaper. We can
>> Yeah, we have time. So, >> and then uh on that same note, um anything that the city does decide they want to do for that day that we can help with the advertising for that >> uh so long as we know it ahead of time. And we were on TV last year. We put out
some three 400 posters. So, we could really get the word out for anything that was decided. >> When did you start that? Last year, any idea? Probably Juneish. >> It was I think we began advertising. The flyers came out mid June, I believe. Um, we were on TV the week before that was
kind of strategic. Uh, everything else I think we officially started advertising for it in May and we did a lot of online programs as well. >> You might or might not know, but do you think that um the people there were it was like a majority of Good Thunder people or do you think people traveled there to see it?
>> Mostly traveled in. >> Mostly traveled in. >> So it would be a lot of outside town traffic. >> Okay. >> You know, that was kind of done around 5:00ish, right? >> Yeah. It was, >> you know, if you ever coordinate and get enough help where, you know, you could
advertise it a parade after 5, you know, that's when we think we had the parade years ago was around 5:00ish, right? And you'd have all them cars, you know, that could make a loop around through there, too. That would be very, very nice, you know. So, I don't know where you're going to
find help, but um >> and then another point just as a reminder, we did have a hay ride last year, the tractor going through routes in town. Just wanted as a reminder if that's okay, same program. >> Absolutely. Everybody else agree with
>> Yeah. Yeah. Perfectly fine. >> Any other things you can create to attract people for your event or more willing to be behind you? So, thank you guys very much. Try to make sure that the roads don't get oiled a couple days
before. >> Yeah, there was a wrong time to seal coat last year. >> Don't care, but there's some nice call. >> Yeah. Yep. All right. Is that it, guys? >> All right. Thank you. Uh, quick park
update. Count. >> Okay. Um, some of you guys have been keeping track of what we've been doing at the archery. Uh thanks Elis his help. Uh just want to give you guys a quick overview on the archery park and the
FEMA grant that we applied for last year with the help of Sue and a few other people. We applied for a FEMA grant to do uh lead damage down there at the archery parks. And as it turned out, we actually
a little bit of a struggle going through the process doing of being a grant itself as the process. uh that after all we got settled were uh accepted and we received a grant and uh
the grant was uh around about $7,000 $6,9352 and that was for the replacement of three 48 in 48 in archery targets and two 36 inch by 36 inch archery targets.
All of the materials it took to build the stands, all the time um it took to build the stands, all the time that it took to retrieve materials and it was also included in that was
time spent communicating with FEMA. I know Sue spent quite a bit of time talking to them. Basically, it all boil down to you pages. You see a breakdown of how much money was spent on material cost
you a breakdown. I think we spent all the few hundred bucks, $300 for that branch, but I think we spent everything else. Um, and the only thing that we actually took out of
the funds were basically that we used to build up this target. >> Yeah. and the target cost obviously and thanks to the city with the
acquisition of that conx container down there we're able to take the tractor and motor and realize lifted them up right in there in store everything inside that container so we wash it up next time >> thanks
little question I had any you guys is does the council have any questions in reference to how and what we did with the Archer Park in 2025. I since the comm Eli's been getting the footage of the
people utilizing it, so he can tell you for sure how many people been down there, but I think it's a regular somewhat basis. Yeah, obviously uh in the fall it picked up with deer hunting and stuff and people sighting in for that, but I was actually a little surprised uh in the fall. It was almost
every day for a few weeks there that that uh somebody' be down there. So >> So it it continues to get used on a regular basis. So that's kind of what we were hoping for when we came up with this idea of putting in our tree park. >> More and more new people every year.
Yeah, we ran into a couple more this year. They just came down for the first time and they just heard about it. He didn't we didn't know it was available until somebody told them about it. So, I don't know if there's something we want to look into for advertising that maybe a little better. We used to have signs
on one >> or 10th. It said archery park and now they're no longer up there. Did they have to come down for a reason or >> it was on county property so >> was on a county signed? >> Yeah. So I don't know if the guy removed it or what. >> I don't know they I don't think anybody
from city ever took them down. >> I remember I just curious what happened. So maybe you know maybe they had to come down but I thought maybe somebody gave you a reason or whatever why they had to come down. >> If if there isn't a reason can we look into getting that sign back up a possibility of a sign?
>> I would sure think so. You know, you could have ones they're on the road driving into and then another one along the trees pointing that way, you know, and uh >> have one like coming from the east just west of the bridge. Yeah. >> You know, bridge rail there. Then have
one probably just where that curve starts going towards the east. >> Eli, you could check with uh which at the county, right? >> Yeah. >> You see what he says? >> Yep. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. signage would be good. And thank you guys for all the work on that.
>> There there's going to be some more upcoming expenditures that we'll we'll wind up using. We're going to add more signage down there. >> We we really have to add something more verbose. >> Rules and regulations basically. >> It's kind of very plain right now and a
lot of people are not reading things into that or reading things into that. They're kind of trying to figure how to get around some of that stuff and I think we just need to get it spelled out a little better. Mhm. >> All right. And back to the AMA grant. Um Sue and I
were able to close out that grant. We submitted the closure aspect of it and uh they accepted it. So we're all done with FEMA. FEMA is happy with what we did. >> We got the last of that money last week.
$174. >> That's all done. No, the things you made there. Both you guys make those to hold the target. >> Yeah. 10 bucks apart. >> So they look very nice to get them up off the ground, you know, and
>> and they're heavy. So when easy to move if you want to just push them or whatever. >> How many times can that be shot at for you too many holes? >> This is the first time using these targets. We don't know. But I know that the the I want to say abuse, but it's not abuse. But the usage they've got
over this course of time that we've had them up, they're holding up very well. >> Okay. >> I contacted two different manufacturers. Glaster Archery out of Pennsylvania and Bulldog Archery out of Manitoba, Canada, and the three the big ones that we
purchased uh three Canada. And these are whole series designs that we find
um >> yeah and we have one more target yet that I have to build a frame for but that one came from that faster archery and it's got a different design. So the framework that I designed or killed these will not work on this episode. So
come spring I'll come up with a battle plan on how to make a stand for that one. So actually for a stand hold up a wear as the homemade ones we you know almost every year we had to reskin them
put new skins on them because they just got shot through so fast. These have been out there for a whole year now and you I mean unless you get right up to them you can't see the wear. >> Oh really? It was part of the movie, but they seem to be not uh coming up
with idea. >> I I I believe that they'll they pretty well exact the extent of how long. >> We'll see. And the good thing is they're double-sided. So, right now, they're only shooting at one side. So, even if one side does get shot out where it's
not usable, you spin the target around. >> Yeah. >> And use brand new renewed. But these 48 and the 36s um instead of allowing the markers to shoot at one concentrated usually is the center of the target, we
went through and made lines on the targets so they have different window panes to shoot that instead of shooting at the same one all the time. >> Okay. >> So that should extend the wear. >> All right. Well, thanks guys. You've done a great job. You and Sue got that
money from FEMA and took care of a lot of business. >> Eli was a big help with moving stuff around stuff too for that. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. Anybody else with questions? If not, don't move on. All right. Next up is Bolin Engineering.
>> So, we have handouts for you guys, too, but we also have the big we have it on these larger drawings. Is there a good spot for us? Right there or here or >> right there is fine. >> Right here I guess.
>> All right. Thanks for having us back. So since uh for sure September, we've been working on something for the city of Good Thunder called the needs assessment and funding analysis. It's basically just a review of your infrastructure, your sanitary sewer, water manes, storm
sewer, streets, sewer ponds, tower treatment plant, wells, past projects, and so on and so forth. Um we've met with city staff a couple times in there, too. Brian, Eli, and Sue. Um, we had a had a meeting right before Christmas
with Sue about some some funding stuff and how some of that works. And so we're here to just basically kind of talk about the results of all that about what we do and what we put together and some next steps. Um, my name is Mark Mark
Klema. Um, this is our company president and company founder Brian Balik who started the company uh 2007. >> Yep. And then this is Angela Olsen. She's one of our funding specialists. Um we have a bunch of different funding
specialist staff at our company. Um but we like to have one contact person for your community. So that it's just nice not to, you know, rather than have six, eight people to talk to, you know, I'm here for engineering, Angela for
funding. And of course, Brian, talk to anybody about >> Okay. >> Is funding going to get tough in the state of Minnesota? >> Well, it depends. I mean, with call it recent current events. >> Yes. >> Okay. You know, I've heard some news
headlines about um the federal government's going to pause flows of federal funds to the state of Minnesota. Um, it really depends on which funding source you're talking about and this is where I have to defer
to one of you folks about that. So, we maybe get to that later, touch on it now. >> Let's get to that a little bit. >> Touch on it maybe maybe toward the end. So, >> but if we ain't getting money, we can't do nothing. So, we should have the
funding up front. >> Yep. Okay. So, you know what? Here we go. I just about did it. I caught myself. You want to This is the same thing.
Or maybe if you want to go that way, you want some that way. Then if you want to take notes, uh, write down questions for yourselves later. all that good stuff. So, you're like, same thing as here.
There you go. Great. So, this table has some criteria. Some of this criteria, politraphic criteria, um can trigger as ana indication of what funding streams are available for
infrastructure replacement, your population, your median household income, your low to moderate income. Um those are statistics that are a part of the census that's done every so many years. And um depending on where you
fall in different ranges, you're eligible for different different grant loan programs for water and sewer and so on and so forth. So then these bottom five lines have to do with what you're eligible and not eligible for. Federal funding through
USDA rural development. Um technically yes, you'd be eligible. State funding through PFA. Are you eligible? Yes. And we'll talk about we'll talk a lot about that toward the end. Does the city qualify for a small city's development?
No. And that has to do with your percentage of low or moderate income. This has to be above 51% in order for a city to qualify for that. >> Um, >> so in turn, we got to get our income down or up?
>> Down. >> Down. Yeah. Down. Yeah. Sometimes if you're really close to that threshold but not quite over it, you can do what's called an income survey. And that's where you you kind of do your own little mini census within the town and request
that people um you just it's it's like a re a census redo about income and then if you're percentage goes above then you're eligible and blah blah blah. Um, but we we typically don't we typically
only see that being successful if you're at like 49 and a half percentage or 50%. It's it's really hard to move it from there up and over. >> That data is for the 560 people. >> Say again.
>> That data is for the 560 people. >> Correct. Yes. Is there something I don't know about? Oh, I was just wondering if that was city population or >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just in the city limits proper. >> Yeah, >> I think we did something like that on
income when we redone the lagoons. >> Yeah, we did it a few years ago with Bolton couple years ago too with um Bolton of Mink and we didn't >> didn't quite get there. >> Yeah, I've got the information, but yeah, we didn't make it. >> Okay. Yeah.
um eligible for local roadway improvement program. Everyone calls it LRIP. Yes, you're eligible. Um that typically is for local roads, local routes, that is to say non-state, non-county routes that
have somewhat of a regional um some somewhat of a regional impact or it's a it's a short stretch of city road that connects this county road to that county road and there's an elevator and a and a whatever where it just gets pounded with traffic and it kind of has
like a um it's got more going on to it than just your average everyday city street. It's got some commercial component. It's got a trucking component. It's become a cutth through because it's a shortcut or something
like that. So, okay. So from here on out, the presentation's kind of um organized by utilities. So first we'll talk about drinking water and water manes and the water treatment
plant wells and then it's a sanitary sewer and then storm sewer and then funding programs. So I guess that's kind of where we're started. And if there's corrections, if if you see something that isn't that needs to be added to or corrected, I'll just write it up here so
that I can change it when I go back to the office. So, if you see something, holler. Um, okay. Water treatment plant and wells. Um I I I think you know obviously there's been a lot of a lot of discussion and review about the water
treatment plant and you've been developing you've been working toward developing this project in replacement for for quite a while. Um well one so I what I'm trying to say is I know some of this is a recap for some of you but but
here we go. Well one was drilled in the 1920s or 30s. It's located inside the little wellhouse building on the north side of the plant. Reconstructed or redeveloped in 1997. The capacity is only 70 gallons per
minute. I'm not sure that that's what I read in an applica funding application, but >> maybe it's a bit higher at times. >> It's a little higher than that. >> Yeah. So, this is not an adequate this is not adequate for like a heavy
usage day. And that's that's kind of a it's kind of a a guideline by the Minnesota Department of Health that you >> It's a backup more than anything. >> Yeah, it's a backup. >> Yeah. They would like you to have two water sources where if one is down for
maintenance or whatever, the other one um or the other ones in and of themselves can supply the gallons per minute needed to run the town. So, and one of the ways they define that is um
that it it can keep up GPM wise and that it doesn't run more than 16 hours on a max more of a max day demand. Um well number two drilled in 1987 just north of the tower there. The big green pipe coming out of the ground.
I again from the information I I grabbed 350 gallons per minute. Maybe it's probably capable of more. >> I don't know what you're what you say, but it's it's got it's got what you need, right? >> 350 is a good number. It actually runs closer to 400, but >> yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Sounds good. A lot of life left in that water quality is is kind of what you'd expect for the geography here. Um third bullet point um the big obvious one the water treatment plant constructed in the
1920s or 30s very advanced age equipment is failing filter interior is corroding that is to say the big steel box on the inside the tray area the tray aeriators are deteriorating I don't have pictures of
that here um treatment chemicals are stored in the main room, which can accelerate corrosion. These days, MDH wants all that in a separate room, a separate ventilation, and a door to the outside.
And they're kind of kind of going that direction. And you could see that going in going in the building, walking around, and I know that there's there's some pipe plate done or going to be done soon. >> We're Yeah, we're talking about it. >> You're talking about it later on
tonight. Um, I'm not sure if this is like the exact picture location, but it's something that looks kind of like that. So, >> Yep. >> That's part of it. >> There you go. Okay. >> Yep. >> Probably most of you could be standing up here talking about this just good as
I could. Um, electrical controls. Electrical and controls outdated, corroded. Roof of the building's beginning to fail. And so a new water treatment plant, one new well, the raw water man to bring the current well over to the proposed lot over there.
These items um in the through past engineer were there cost estimated that project development and put on the drinking water revolving funds PPL list.
Um, they went on the intended use plan this last summer and that it I don't know, Brian, I I think I'd like you to jump in here, but th this list, this IUP was was just finalized today actually. >> Yeah, it was just published today. Uh,
Good Thunder's on that list for your water plant. Um, the well and the raw watering. So, we're going to talk through that a minute a little bit more after we get through the rest of the infrastructure. So that's a plus. >> Anything else anybody wants to bring up
about water? >> Well, it's served its time. The building itself is the roof is in a little disarray, but you know, the the the four walls are pretty decent shape yet, but our equipment inside is very sure,
>> you know, and like you say, you got to have chemicals and no access to the inside. So, you'd have to do a lot of reworking to make this one feasible in 2026. You might as well maybe start over.
>> I wouldn't say never retrofit a building, but there are advantages to Yeah. Yep. I agree. One way I like to say it is you've captured all the value of that
infrastructure. that left any it was wasted any water tower 55,000galon capacity constructed in 1911 there's a little plaque if anyone's curious you can look at I don't remember which of the four legs it's on but it's there >> y
>> recotated recently which is great public works staff feels the tank is in good condition relative it relative to its age with no major deficiencies average daily use. Um, a rule of thumb is that for how big
should your water tower be? A rule of thumb is your water storage gallons should be at least what your average daily average daily use would be. So that would be all
the water that you pumped in a year divided by 365 days. So that's how kind of that gets defined. Um it sounds like there was a time in the past when the town was kind of bumping up against
that limit, but with the new ultrasonic water meters and finding some leaks and so on and so forth that that's actually those peak days are kind of subsiding a little bit. And >> what are we at now, Brian? 42
>> right around 38,000 gallons per day. I got all that >> for your average. That's kind of your >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So great. Um yeah, talked about that improvements or modifications to the tower or the city's
drinking water storage are not proposed. Sound right to everybody? when I see I can see infrastructure built in 195 years ago and uh built well and still working. That just warms my heart. So,
it's awesome. >> How many towns in the state of Minnesota you think would have a water tower that age? >> I don't run into them that old too often that aren't coming down anytime soon. >> Yeah, they're usually coming down around 100 years uh generally. So, it's neat that you've got it. Um it's likely going
to be historic because of the age, which is um a challenge for some communities that want to take it down because you got to go through Shipo State Historic Preservation Office and go through a lot of work and sometimes they might not allow you to take it down. So it gets to
be a little bit back and forth. It's great that yours is working and it's u u satisfying your needs. So until something changes, you guys are doing the right thing. Put us on the mail. >> Vernon, you had one like that Kelvin in
you and you replaced yours what, 10, 12 years ago already, I bet now. >> We bought a used one that was not big enough for another tower or whatever. And so we got quite a discount on it. >> But yeah, we've taken pretty good tear of our water tower over the years, you
know. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Sometimes the roofs go and then there's trouble with the rivets and >> well that bladder inside know we've had that redone >> okay >> a couple of times over the last 30 years
I believe 60 on it two summers ago. So >> one thing that tower does desperately need is a way to is it there's no way to isolate the tower and do maintenance on it. Right now we have to run a hydrant with a pressure regulator whenever we do
maintenance on the tower. We don't have a way to there's no shut off to isolate that tower. >> Are you talking valving with the pipe the water man pipes >> surrounding it? Okay. >> It's always something we've talked about that we needed. >> So a little bit of piping and some valving.
>> Yeah. Right. So if you're flipped to this page now, it's existing drinking water distribution, which is fancy way of saying pipes, water main pipes. About the colors, this darker blue,
those are newer, say last 25 years. um, good hard PVC that's been installed. The lighter blue is what I'm calling 1960s cast iron pipe.
And then the red are areas that have been identified by city staff or members of the council as potentially needing to be replaced sooner than some of the other
some of the other lighter blue stuff. There's been some water mane breaks in this area with those kind of old school Batman symbols. I know down in the southwest part of town, that's 4 inch from the early 70s. Um, and when I say
1960s cast iron, that's kind of that that's a good approximation talking with city staff and looking at the years that are stamped on the backside of those hydrants. Um, a 6 in dead end street south of Willard.
been complaints about low pressure, low flow in that area. All the so the the yellow and pink areas are water mane replacements or installations that were that you've identified as wanting
in the past from your past past project development. All all of that is is slated to be 8 in diameter. So there's no um nothing 6 in or 4 in or any of that. Um project areas one and two are
on the finalized intended use plan for PFA funding. Um lot of colors here in the legend, but project area one is up here. Project area two is the pink.
the remaining 1960s cast iron pipe. Um, talking with Eli and Brian, I said, you know, what are we understand the the pipe shown in red and the pink are
the priorities right now? What is the feeling on just the light blue pipe? it it's 1960s, so a lot of people would say that's at the end of its expected useful life, but you're not seeing six, eight water mane breaks a year. Um,
and and right, sorry I I went and said it. No. So, um, and I think there I you guys can all speak up or whatever, but what seemed to come out was the first thought was to maybe let the replacement
of those pipes be driven a little bit more by if the street pavement blows up with frost boils or if there's a bunch of breaks in this 2, three, four block section or the sanitary sewer is, you
I'll just pick a spot. The sanitary sewer in this part is falling apart. If we're going to dig that up, we might as well replace the old cast 2 kind of a deal. Was that that was kind of the thought on that, which makes total I think that's a legit way to go about it.
But I I asked the question cuz sometimes when we're talking to towns at a meeting at this point in the process, they'll say, "Oh my gosh, we need to make a plan to replace all of it. I don't know if that's going to be five years from now or 15 years from
now, but you know, we need to Yeah. So, >> so the fact that you're not the pipe's not moving. So, the breaks happen when the pipes start to move. Cast iron, you know, is rigid. >> Yeah. Doesn't like to move. If you go down, for instance, they've had a lot of
breaks. They are having five to eight breaks a year >> down there and they have similar age cast iron pipes. So they're in a process of looking at how do they improve those. Yours aren't breaking right now. They
they've hit their use for life, but they're not breaking. And so that gives you an opportunity to just let them let them exist, right? But if if at the same time if you start to notice some breakage in some areas like this, this
is where you just want to get it replaced. >> Up here on the very top on Milky Street, you know, you talk about looping. What would happen if you ever ran that one over to the red one? So you could loop that. >> Yeah, we talking over here. >> Well, all three of them really.
>> Yeah, I think we were chatting about that. >> Seeing if we could squeeze along a lot line and then get up and over. >> Yep. or or even continue >> and come down there because that's all gravel streets. Yeah. >> You know, it's not like tearing up a new street which we've worked at trying to
preserve, you know, and then go in and dig it up. >> But the cost of replacing a a paved street is I mean it's like Yeah. >> Kelvin, he's from Vernon Center and he is the former mayor over there. And you did did you do all the water and sewer in every street, Kelvin, in the last two
years? >> Yep. and all new streets and all new curb and gutter. And can you afford to live there? >> Quite expensive. >> Yeah. >> You guys went through the USDA rural development process or anything. >> Well, the challenge with any
infrastructure is these are, you know, these pipes are 80year pipes. Rural development. The program you went with has a 40-year loan. So, you're having all the community members pay for 100% of the utilities.
um of which it's on a 40-year loan versus an 80year loan for the life of the facility. So that's why it gets expensive. >> Yeah. >> Um but there's there's strategic reasons to do what Vernon Zer did, but every community is is different. What I would
like to do is as um u Mark gets through with this is talk to you on strategy, funding strategy and what that looks like and what position you're in because that that'll help drive some of your
if you ask me, you know, should we replace 1960s cast iron pipe? Should we go build some stuff? Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, I also drive I mean, I have a 16-year-old Honda that
a lot of people would probably say I should replace it. Probably a lot of legs left in that thing, you know, if it if it starts to get, you know, six years from now if it has issues. Okay, we'll deal with it then. Think
about it anyway. But, okay, lead service lines. You guys made it through your lead service inventory and all the mailings and notices and all that >> good stuff. Great. >> Um, so you're done with that, which is great cuz um the vast majority of towns
still have unknowns left in their system, but you don't you have 10 galvanized lines um which are recommended to be replaced. No, this is the private side of the
service as far as you know, correct? Not the public side. >> I have no idea what the what it is between the main and curb stop, but the curb stops they identified when they put in the new water meters. >> Yeah. >> Did an inspection and identified 10
galvanized. >> Does the Does the resident own to the property line where the curb stop is or they own all the way to the main? >> No, just to stop. Okay. Okay. >> You don't think there's any lead ones?
>> Uh, I heard a rumor there might be one, but >> no, that one you were talking about, but it I think it's on the list here as a galvanized. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Let's see. Um, that was on Willard Street. >> Holiday street.
>> Oh, no. No. >> North Hall here. >> Yeah. looking. No, it's not identified as a as far as the inspection that was done. It's identified as a pipe. >> Sure. Yeah. So, one of the things that
Department of Health allows and there's money today to replace some of these p these. >> Yeah. >> Let's service sign and galvanized pilot. So, we'd like to access that funding on your behalf and get signed up for it.
There was a five-year window for it. 26 is the last year unless the state puts in more money into that program. So, we'd like to get you on your list for that sort of life. >> But, this one I'm thinking of is is new from the main to the curb stop at the
curb stop into the house is that so that's owner's responsibility, right? >> Well, it so the program allows those grant monies to pay for that. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. from the curb stop privately into their house. >> Okay. >> Um from the curb stop to the main is
only a 50% pay. So they're trying to pay for the owner side because they realize that owners may not do it >> unless there's some sort of funding option. So but it comes through the city. City lets out a contract to get it
drilled into the homes. They basically come and directionally drill it right. Okay, that's it for water on to sanitary sewer. Again, this is a map of all the sanitary
sewer mains running through the many colors. The red is clay pipe. The green is PVC recently replaced I'll say within the last 25 years.
The bluish was clay pipe but it's been lined the cured in place pipelining. And then um that that's it for existing. And then there's a the pink highlighting down
here is what you've been developing for replacement extensions as part of related to that drinking water um water man replacement. So there's varying types of pipes and conditions. Um the remaining clay pipe
is it's due for replacement. I'll say due for replacement or lining. Um you're all aware of inflow and infiltration. uh call it INI and the city has a compliance agreement with NPCA to reduce that and again the INI has been coming
down thanks to efforts by the city um bunch of different things pipe replacement pipe lining finding water leaks with ultrasonic meters and so on and so forth probably finding some cross connections and a little bit of smoke
testing and all that um so that's great um most of the system has been added and televised. And I've taken a look at all that televising, which is great. It's always good to know what you're looking
at. Um the 2024 Hall backyard sewer replacement um is mostly done. Of course, there's that couple hundred feet, this little yellow light here. Couple hundred feet left to go in once the title work is done and all the
lawyers are happy and all that. So, let me know whenever. I'm sure >> it shouldn't take this long. >> I know. I >> Well, we've got one back, but I had questions on it because of um it's the locker
>> because of the estate with the owner. Yeah. >> But yeah, so I'm the attorneys are still working on that one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. While you're talking about it too, when we went our drive around that day, were you with that day? We went driving
around looking at down. >> Yeah. >> And that was the one spot. Remember I mentioned that >> you want to be able to measure it. >> Sampling. Well, >> Yep. In case it's a significant Yep. Because they may be a sig in the future. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yep. We got that in the notes. Um
>> I'd like to be able to sample it. Um so that you could be within the legal easement. That is to say, you don't have to go on private property. We've got a couple. You're looking at I was looking at another couple products with a guy in the office. Um,
we've got a couple ideas. I just figured we'd wait till we get all this title and title work done. >> Yeah. >> And kind of get ready to, >> you know, be a bad idea to put in a manhole with partial hall with so you can do flow monitoring too
>> flow, you know, quant quantify the flow. >> Sure. and sample out of the same well. >> Sure. Sure. >> It depends on how specific. >> Otherwise, we have to for flow we have to go off of his water usage. >> Yeah. >> From what we sell him, but there's no
way to monitor the amount of waste water coming out. But that would be his own property where he probably have to put in the if we say we have to if he becomes a sick and we have to do flow monitoring, we want to quantify the flow, that's on him. So
>> there you go. >> Um, you know, when you're digging it all up, maybe that's the time to to do that and say we, you know, put that on private property or tell him it's coming. I'm not sure how you that >> Yep. No, I agree. >> It's going to be an expensive
>> deal. We We have some ideas. I I think we were just going to wait until it was, >> you know, the title thing was kind of unstuck and the city was wanting to >> y >> to get back going with finishing it. So, but that's all all good stuff.
>> We found an INI, which it doesn't show. There's a sewer right here >> running back here. >> Okay. >> Um, it come right behind these houses. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Through here and services this. It doesn't come in into here at all. >> Is that where the pipe was sticking
really far into the lateral cage? >> Behind that guy's house. >> Okay. So that one there is there's INI there that we haven't gotten taken care of yet. That >> gotcha >> is a pretty big contributor, right? >> I mean it we don't have numbers on it.
It looks significant at the manhole, but when we were cameraing it that was after rain and we were getting some like each service line because it's clay pipes, you're getting it at each seam and each service line had a little bit. So that tile line we
thought was a tile line was plugged but there was still ioni coming still clear water coming from past uh where we could no longer get and we weren't sure >> 100% where that was from. >> And do we have to dig that up to get
that pipe cut off so we can go there or how is that going to happen? So the yeah the problem was was that they can't get their machine they have a machine that would be able to cut that off but there's enough of a sag between the in
the first 100 ft or 50 feet even enough that they can't get their machine in. >> When you say sag do you mean it the pipe dips or an egg it go >> it's circle but it >> it dips so bad. >> Yep. So they were talking about like where we could dig in another manhole,
you know, in the rightway past that sag or we could dig up and replace that sag. >> Yeah. >> But I don't the few private lines that aren't on here. >> Sure. >> There's another one right behind us here >> that serves one, two, three houses,
>> but that was all red dug up and uh completely I think redone here over the last 10 years. I was going to say I saw the video from where they found that to be a problem because I think it was all Orangeberg, right? >> Yeah. >> And that was 2017 or something that
>> video was put together. So, >> yeah, >> I know when I was watching your your lining videos, they camera it before and then after the before stuff, you can see where where the service line protrudes too far in. They have their six or eight inch. It's
basically a core drill >> and it just, you know, it's a it's a drill that's just right inside the diameter of their pipe and they just drill it off right before they line it, which is cool. Mhm. >> And I know you guys are saying if if there was lighting done in the future,
you would like us to look into the cost benefit of they call it a top hat because it's it's a it's like a 5 or 10 foot sectional liner that runs up the service and then where it connects to the main there's there's like a top hat flange so that there's a
seal between the liner for the mainline pipe and where the service connection is. You don't cuz you can line through it and then you cut a hole in it. you might still have water coming in >> and a lot of times the main is here and if you just do even five feet a lot of times that pipe will come up for a
little bit. >> So then in terms of the water table if you line up five feet you just put yourself five feet higher away from the water table depending on where that is. >> Yeah. >> What's your thoughts on lining pipes? Well, once you add
>> I mean, >> is it something that's going to be there for 50, 60 years after you line it? >> It could be if it's done well. If if it's a good candidate, if it's a good candidate for lining, which would be this side, this is not a good candidate
for lining. So, >> if it's Yeah, it's these are It's cracked, >> but it's still holding its circular shape. there's not pumping faultting chunks missing. There's not sag like if the pipe runs like this. If there's a
big sag in it, well, there's going to be water there. So, when you blow your liner through, that chemical reaction doesn't work right if there's a bunch of water laying in there and it doesn't stick to the pipe and it kind of falls away over time. So, >> so people line because of costs, right?
Because it's less expensive. So, but one approach to look at it is that uh a new bite is a new and a liner is a repair of an old pipe and it doesn't change. That's it's it's
it can be cost effective in the right spot, but it's still a repair. And so, it really comes down to what the funding look like and what the back opportunity gives you. We talk a lot about when we go after funding is it's
not necessarily sometimes how much it costs, it's how much your residents are going to pay for it. And sometimes that makes a difference between what people decide to do or not. And that's why it's so good that we have a discussion what that looks like for you. And all these
types of decisions are difficult when they infrastructure. >> See, when county took over county road one going north or state highway 66, >> they wanted the city to dig that all up and put it some of that pretty deep. And
we chose as a city to line it, you know. >> Yeah. >> And I think, you know, the way it turned out, I think it'll certainly lead another 50 years. >> Yeah. you know. >> Um, uh, help me out with the lots here. Are there a lot of service connections to this line or do they mostly go to
Hubble Street? >> Do I think >> I would say that that there is they all go to Hubble. That that line there just continues here and goes all the way out. >> It more just carries. >> Yeah. See there there it's you know when
you you're not cut holes in the pipe every 100 ft for a house. >> So it's just a solid liner >> in terms of like I and I and >> structural >> fact there's a manhole back down in here somewhere that we've never as a city
found yet. It's been buried for many many years. And since it's such a long run we should find it. So you know in case it ever got plugged up during the winter it's the only time it'll do it you know. Yeah, I know where that manhole is. >> It's out in the field, I'm guessing.
>> No, it's behind these houses somewhere is in here. >> Okay. Yeah, >> we've never It's I don't know. Never been found. >> So, them pictures >> pictures of them that lined and unlined
pipe. Is that off our filming? >> One more time. Sorry. The other >> that one that's really bad. Is that one of our >> No, this is not this is generic photo example. >> Yeah. Okay. >> It's from a town up north of Groen
Forks. But it's stuff I I guess like I watched all the televising for all your lining projects and I thought you made some good choices. I mean it was I wasn't like oh my gosh can't believe they lined that, you know. Well, I think we spent quarter million bucks lining,
you know, trying to and the INI because it was so hard for Brian to manage the goons there for many years. But now we it's pretty manageable now. We still got one >> area that when we have a 2 inch rain
event water for a day or two, it's all gone again. >> Have you done smoke testing through that? >> No, still can't. And the road keeps caving in. It's right over here, a block over, right by the Catholic Church. The road goes like
this, and then it fell down. And well, that dirt's going somewhere. >> Sure. >> Nobody's found anything there. So, >> okay. So, this is just a map that shows the sanitary sewer and the water man
together on the same page. So, this is more of like a kind of what I talked about earlier where um if you're looking at replacing some more pipe besides what's shown in
pink and yellow, it's a good idea to look at where in terms of you got water man and sewer man. Um the light blue is old water, the red is old sewer. The spots that have
old water and old sewer are probably the first places you'd you'd maybe look, right? If you've got as long as you're digging, if you're going to blow everything up and open trench, replace it. Yeah. So, >> so here's an example of just thinking
about strategically wise, but let's say your street on top isn't in great shape and you replace just your sewer line and don't do your water. then you're going to get money to replace half your street. But if you end up replacing half your sewer and your water man, then just
like burn center, you get your street done at the same time. So it's just it's just strategically how to think about that differently. >> That's South Holiday because we only have a 4inch water man running up there. It's probably some of the oldest water
man. I know the one water hydro is very old. So that's that's very old there. >> Sure. >> Where you would go for both probably. As long as you're you're there, do it. Y >> it's not black topped >> cuz that we tore the black top up. We re
we ground it up and remilled it here five, six years ago. Kind of keep it half acidly >> hard surface. Keep the dust down because we know somewhere here in the future that it's all got to be dug up and done correctly. Sure.
>> So that's why that road has been the way it's been for the last five, six years. If Sue lived on there and she's shaking her head like >> lovely trying to take a shower and the laundry at the same time, but doesn't work. >> Just
that's Yeah, it's quite the deal. Um, >> so it means >> in those streets too, it looked like the plan was is to add curb and gutter and storm sewer or is that kind of >> and that's what I saw in some of the past >> put that in there, but I don't know what
council decided. It's however you decide it, but we did as a council uh up Chapel Street, we ran a great big PVC plastic >> and we got a couple intakes, one's on Sue's lawn, and we we kind of designed
it >> that uh one block would flow south, one block would flow north >> and to catch that and take it down to the creek, you know. So, we kind of have a little foresight there. So, we have a
we have a plan there for storm water if you regulate it with curbon gutter, you know, otherwise if you don't have curbon gutter, it's hard to uh catch water and send it downhill. >> Sure. Yep. >> You know, and some of them black top curbs, you know, some towns are doing
that and they're fine. You just got to be careful in the winter with snow plow because you can take them off. >> Yeah. >> You know, crazy man. But would what were you saying about if you do both the street gets replaced even though how about if it wasn't >> talk about that in a minute come back to
that right >> this is for the race ponds this is just a rundown of some of the history I'm just not hearing that there's a need for much work out there just in good shape >> you know done already >> treat it now with what is that stuff run
>> chloride Yeah, you know, now his numbers are fine. You know, we couldn't hold it before with the INI and everything, but now that we filled the little shed and we got that treatment stuff there, everything is coming out really well now. Everybody's happy. Brian, >> yeah, the I was going to mention that when I talk later, but the uh the last
discharge, the just the fall discharge this year, the phosphorus was under one part per million >> and before that we were having we were always over, right? >> Yeah. storm sewer. This is um this is kind of the last of the big infrastructure slides here.
>> There isn't much. >> Well, you know, it's and and yet there's been a lot of money put into it. There's some nice stuff out there. The orange is newer and really good shape. The yellow is um yellow is existing. I'm not sure
what the condition is and I'm um I'm working with Eli to kind of I know I I know there's more yellow lines out there that I'm showing and I'm working with Eli to kind of fill in those gaps. And um what I'm hearing um from Eli is that
maybe similar to like water man and sewer that's older is just replace as it makes sense common sense with other other needs if if there's water and sewer getting replaced at the same time. Um the hope would be
to replace any storm sewer at least. So >> yeah. And then um again this south call this the pink area. Again this is related to your your drinking water water main replacement. The pink are areas that were shown to have some kind
of storm sewer work done or um again I'm not sure how much of its pipe and how much of it is curb and and whatnot. And then um at least some thought put toward having a stormwater pond in this area I
guess a little bit east of Los Core potentially um where it was or I'd like to know a little bit more about that if that's if that storm water pond is to become something city wants to pursue. >> Well, we were talking about there. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. The city owns this isn't uh the city owned all this woods except for 35 or 40 feet on the eastern portion. >> Mhm. >> So, you know, this water is running right here. You know, you could put your retention pond right in along over here.
It's on our city property because here if we wanted to have our tennis court or whatever >> Yeah. >> put back here, but this is very low low land. It's wet. You can't even walk in it in July sometimes rains. >> So, you know,
>> there's a lot of room here for a retention pond. How big it has to be? Well, you know, I made the assumption that the pond was due to the fact that you'd be going from not having curb, not having a lot of storm sewer toward
having curb and some storm sewer, which means the volume of water that rains in this area gets gets to here a lot quicker than it used to. You know, as soon as you put it in a curb or in a
pipe, it goes faster. And so not wanting to have this big blasting if you just put it all in a pipe and turn it loose here. Are you going to have a big wash out or an issue or something? I don't know. I >> We have a blowoff. >> Happens anyway. Okay.
>> It's down on the Oh, the ballpark right here. There is a there's a manhole there and there's a tile that comes all the way from here down here and that drains all the fields out here. And anyway, when it rains really heavily, it blows out of that
>> man. >> It'll come out. It'll blow out of that. >> But then we >> we trenched it now. So it it has a water >> waterway. >> Yeah. >> You know, to keep it controlled because it was going through the park equipment right there. So now it all goes right there and then it dumps back in down
here. >> Yeah. >> But this pipe that we ran up Chapel Street, that's a 20-in I believe black PVC. So in case we did any curb and gutter up on holiday, it can handle it. It probably was overkill, but
>> I don't know. You know, I I'm more just bringing it up because it it was part of the the previous plan and I I would p I'd like to know more about it in the future. >> Sure. It's uh >> yeah, it's >> I don't what I don't want to do is just,
you know, run forward with it thinking the city wants to this is exactly how they want it, where they want it. So, >> well, we talked about replacing this here with a bigger tile and we asked the county to get involved because it's going out here and draining all that farmland. Well, they wanted to do the
hundredyear study and you know, they want to spend a lot of money >> Yeah. >> on all that stuff there where you know, water runs downhill. If you put a 24 inch pipe in, it's going to handle a lot of water. You don't have to have all that stuff, you know. >> Yeah. >> But then the retention pond thing come
about, too. So, you know, you probably have to have that to satisfy the state. >> I don't know. >> County. How does that work? >> Maybe. I mean, >> we just have to take a look at that. It It's a little bit more concerning. There's more running to it than just
that specific area because that changes things, >> right? >> Yeah. because it dumps right here and it's an open creek from here all the way down to the river. >> Okay. >> You know, >> yeah. So, that'd be a great spot just because it's naturally going that way. Create a little retention pond to just
kind of slow it down a little bit. >> Um, well, that would make a good >> chloride becoming a big issue with the MPCA. That gives you a place to settle out your salt that you put on the streets and it helps clean up your, you know, your final points are to the
river if they ever have to test for chloride there. This is the the the idea behind a holding pond is to settle out chloride and chemicals and fuel and things that get spilled on the streets. And right, >> that's the reason for it. >> That means Minneapolis would be all
underwater because all the chemicals they use up there, you'd never get it settled down. Yeah, do us a favor and have to be underwater. >> Okay, great. >> I'll let Brian do most of the talking today.
>> So, just looking at at some of the needs you have and where you're at. So, this list that gets published, so there's two parts of the list here. um is that uh
one is to rank you amongst everybody else in the state. Okay. And that is your project priority points. That's what this is showing here. Okay. And then the other part is that the city had
to um basic apply through engineer the intended use plan. What project does the city intend to do? And so then they look at that. They look at the state looks at how much money they have and they decide how much money they can support down to
what level of points. And then everybody above that points is eligible for the state funding. And so this is the first year in a long time, very long time that the state has
actually went down to seven points. And the reason that your water treatment plant is at seven points is because it's not a even though it's corroding and having issue, it's not considered a a water
quality health hazard. Okay? It it is in terms of corrosing it end of its useful life. Uh but but not from a you're not poisoning anybody. Okay? So you got seven points on here.
Um but what Minnesota did is they wanted to invest in infrastructure particular drinking water and wastewater infrastructure and so they had the means to bring the funding all the way down to seven points.
Typically they cut it off at 10 or 12 points. So on a typical year Good Thunder would not be on this list because you're only at seven and eight points. But because they brought the funding down that low, now you're
eligible for funding to the state. Okay. A couple other things have uh really been changing. Uh one is the state director of PFA, Jeff Freeman, retired uh last year and a new person stepped
into their place. And we've been pushing on the state for quite some time. Typically, the PFA has only been funding communities above a thousand people. Uh they haven't used allowed their state funds. And that's why Vernon Center went with rural development because they
could access the state monies. Um they didn't have a choice. Well, now the feds are out of money. They're not providing grants like they used to. So, Vernon Center got into the grant program, which is good. And we like
rural development. and we almost always go to rural development, but right now with the chopsaw that's happening on the federal level, the funding for um outstate Minnesota cities isn't there
unless you have a health hazard. So, what RD has said, and I just talked to the state director again the other day, is that there's no grants for communities that don't have a health hazard. None at all. whereas in other years they
funded communities that didn't have a health desk. So the funding cycle just abs and blows depend on what happens with money and as it comes uh or doesn't come
this year because both Democrats and Republicans wanted to fund infrastructure and wanted to fund a lot of the drinking water wastewater. Good Thunder is funded. Okay.
Now the part of strategy comes into play is that these three cost here plus your sewer plus your uh storm sewer costs about 10.3 million
and and you're on the fundable list for all but 2.3 2.4 million of that. So the parts that were associated with um waste water, you put that you can
this pink um you were not put on the list for wastewater. And I'm not I don't I don't know why, but you're not on the list. And you're not on the list for the storm store either. Okay.
And so those were going to be funded through what was referred to as non-eligible, meaning you had to get private funding or funding for Minnesota rural water because there wasn't any eligible state funds for those.
Um the part of this that is that I want to talk through is because the state only came down to seven points because there was money there and there typically isn't that much.
Good Thunder needs to to move forward with getting this project designed and certified by the agency because what that does is it protects your spot in line.
So right now it says you're eligible for the funding if you want to pursue it, but it doesn't guarantee it. Meaning if Good Thunder doesn't move forward with anything that that money may not be next year.
>> It may not go down to seven points next year and then you're out of the list. So to preserve your spot in line, you have to do what's called begin design and you have to have it certified by in this case the Department of
Health. Okay. Once you're certified, you can either go up for bid and get it constructed or if you're not ready to go up for bid, it's designed certified and counts as a carryover project. And so
rather than going from a part B1 project becomes a part A1 project and is automatically eligible for next year funding because it's been design certified. But if it never gets design certified,
you start from ground zero, Kim, and you're at the whim of the state putting money in to get you down to seven points. >> What we would like to do is to get your um get your new well designed, treatment
plant designed in these uh water main pieces all designed. Get them certified. preserve that spot in line. The other part is that that's a lot of money for a community of this size, right? Um and so
we want to make sure we're going after grants, but the grants are a first come, first serve basis. They're called whiff wastewater or water infrastructure grants. They have wastewater too, but you don't need those water infrastructure grants. There's 70
million. Once it's gone, it's gone. That 70 million is to help communities that can't afford purely loan debt to help um buy down some of that debt so it's affordable. And so you get that in form
of grants. We know that money is limited. We want to get our clients design certified and out for bid as quickly as possible because when it's out for bid is when they'll actually let you know how much
brand you'll get. Like we can run some models and try and figure that out, but it's not until you actually go out for bid and you find out what the bid price is that PFA will actually underwrite this money and tell you how much grant
you did. >> You were talking about grants for the design. Does the city of Good Thunder have to pay for the engineering of this design up to a certain amount then get the
grant or can you apply for the grant right away to help with the engineering of the design? >> So the grant comes after it's been after it's designed. >> So Good Thunder would foot the bill for the design. >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> But we would have a resolution tonight. We'd also like council consider authorizing that any cost you pay to take it through design is reimburseable after you go to bid so you can pay this all back
and get this paid off. >> So a ballpark figure of cost of design. >> So you're this is okay. Let's let's we're going to talk a couple different items here first before I I'll get to that. We have that number for you. >> And so what's what's our timeline? So to
get it designed that would take what your firm 8 months a year. >> So this is the thing is that it's January, middle of January right now. In a typical year, they're going to
in March of this year, they're asking people that want to be on the 27 list to submit their facility plan. So in two months, you have to submit your facility plan. By June 26, you have to submit your intended use plan, meaning you want
more money for a future phase project. By August or September, in a normal year, this would be finalized. It wouldn't be waiting till January. Once that list is finalized, if your projects aren't design certified, you will lost
that opportunity. So, you have exactly about eight months. >> Okay. All right. >> But can you get that design within two months? within that eight months. >> Well, I mean I thought you said we had to get it up front here within two months by March. >> Oh, not that part. That's separate piece. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, what way back and I want before we go forward, what we would like to do and let's go back to the wage board. So this part down here that was drinking water
is is design is eligible for funding. We want to get it designed. We want to get it served. We want to sit it on the shelf and we would like to go after 20 27 monies which are which we have to have done in a facilities plan in March and
go into a news plan in June for wastewater and your storm water gets to be an ancillary benefit of doing water and and sanitary in the same street. So your storm water doesn't become an
extra cost. that gets run through your water and wastewater. Now, Vernon Center didn't do that. Vernon Center storm water is considered an extra cost, an extra utility. That was a federal program. The state program coming down to less
than a thousand people is a big big deal because these costs can get wrapped up into funding. And so we would like to go after pursue some additional funding on your behalf for down here. So we want to get your water plant and your well
designed and get that out to bid as soon as possible. We want to get the water part here designed but sit on the shelf so it reserves its bottom line and go after more money for you to go after clean water down here. And the big win
here is by going after clean water, we get to count some of the storm water as ancillary. So it's not a separate loan. Okay? And we get to get your street included in there. And even though it's been reclaimed, one could suggest it's been an asphalt street in the past. It's
an asphalt street. And so we get to pick up the street. Now the curbon gutter, since the curbon gutter wasn't there, that's going to be an ineligible cost because you're adding something new. Okay, but we can pick up a lot of the costs. Okay, so let me go back to your
original question. There's two pieces here. There's a part of getting the drinking water, all the stuff that's on this existing list. Okay, getting this designed and certified. So, it's going through
design um and it's going through bidding. Okay, that's a big number. It's $957,000 designed and through bidding. That's plummery design, final design and bidding.
That's a huge number. Okay. We're also talking about this is $1.2 million of project costs, right? So, it's a it's a approximate 10% of that cost right now.
By signing the resolution, all those costs that are reimbursable once this goes out for bid. And so the PFA will have dollars to help reimburse those costs. The quicker we get it out for bid, the better chance we get to go after that
whiff dollars, which is the grant to ensure this project is affordable for the city. Now, if we get to that part, we go out for bed and let's say the grants are gone, we pause it, we stop, it gets included in the carryover project, and it becomes
one of the first projects next year to get, but we'd like to go after the money this year. So, a sure thing is always better than um hoping for a sure thing later. Okay. The second part of our request tonight
is to put a facility plan together to go after the wastewater portion, the storm law and the streets associated with this. Now facilities plan doesn't mean you have to move forward with the
project. It just gives makes you eligible to move forward with the fun ins plan for that and then that sets things in motion. A lot of information
what can I help answer? What was the engineering cost again? 900 what? >> 957,000. It takes the drinking water well and this for the project under the final sign.
>> Oh, maybe I got one pulled it over. >> So, how would a city fund that $950,000? >> Well, there's two ways. One, we have cities that have that kind of cash. They self-und themselves.
Alternatively, most of our communities uh secure a Minnesota rural water loan and that they put that loan together. They basically borrow the money to pay for the engineering cost.
Can you do 50/50 or you know John to we got like what a million seven right if you >> roughly. Yeah, >> roughly. >> And >> you know, we have quite a little money on reserve for the city of Good Thunder.
Would we use it all or would we say we put up 500,000 and go get a loan for the other 457,000? >> So, let let me help you understand the pieces of that and then I think you guys can make a good decision on which way is
best for Good Thunder. The PFA state program doesn't pay for the finance cost to go get the loan. So, there's a $15$20,000 to go access the loan.
Okay? It doesn't pay for the interest on the money that's borrowed for that duration of time. So, those two costs are an extra cost to the city. Unlike Vernon Center that did it and the
federal government reimbured them for those two pieces of cost, this is actually better funding for you because the user rates are lower. Where Vernon Center was uh today's going through rural development, your user
rates are going to pay 2% of your median household. With the PFA program, it's either 1.2% 2% for clean water or drinking water and 1.4% for waste water. So your residents will
pay less money going through the state than if you did to the federal. So you just got to pay some money to borrow some money. If you paid for it on your own, you wouldn't have that cost and it would
still get reimbursed >> with this storm water here. That green line that runs from Chapel Street to Hiller Drive. It's right there on right there. That green line right there. >> Yeah, that one. Could you include that?
That's like a 10 or a 12 inch coronated pipe that comes out on the south end. Yeah. Could you put that in for a 24 or 36 inch pipe to handle all that water so we don't use that overflow? >> So we can put that into the facilities
plan for going after 27 months. Anything you want to put in the facilities plan in essence doesn't cost any more to put it in. The cost is putting the document together. So if you want us to put in
the facilities plan this water man up here. >> Yeah. >> We just put that in there. >> Okay. >> If you want us to replace some of the where the where you got an old cast iron pipe and you got an old water man and they're in the same area, we can put
that into the facilities plan. Again, it doesn't mean you have to go forward with the project. It's just you can't get on an intended use plan without getting onto the PPL list. for us borrowed. So this >> just got a couple more. >> Okay.
>> Come in. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> So the 957 needs to be I'm assuming that's an up upfront cost that we'll pay you before you get started or is it >> before we get started? It would be a a lump sum cost that we pay that we
invoice you incrementally as the work is moved. >> Okay. All right. I just handed Sue some information on the rural water loan for if for different amounts of money that you borrow. There's an underwriting cost. If
you borrowed the entire 900 some, it would be $18,200 to write the loan. In the last few days, we've helped other towns secure loans. Right now, those interest rates are between four and a half and 5%. So if you want to have
those numbers rattling around in your mind though, >> but you do this for a living. We don't being in the position that we could pay 500,000. Is it better to use our own money and then go only go after the
other half? >> You know what would what would your strategy be if you were us? >> Well, I we're not. So I want to make sure that you understand that. But the cost is less if you just borrow your own money and pay your own money back.
>> That's what we've done on a lot of projects over the years. >> And then it gets reimbured. >> Y >> could you get the resolution out? >> Yeah. >> Yep. Um, and that's that's the least costed way to do it >> because some of the stuff we've lined,
we didn't have enough sewer money in the sewers, you know, to reign them, but we borrowed it from the general fund. We didn't go out and get a loan to line their pipes. >> Yeah. >> And then we just turned around and paid it back. You know, we've done a lot of
in-house financing. We haven't had a loan since our lagoons paid off. We haven't had a loan for a long time. We've done a lot of in-house financing because we had the money. >> Got it. >> So, you know, would it cut the city short, Fer John,
if we took the whole 950,000 >> drain our foreign fund? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what we're just going to invest more money. >> Take some out of our >> general fund operating fund right now. Um I yeah I don't know if this is something we can even answer tonight. I think
we're g this is a lot to digest. >> Yeah, this is a lot of money. But I mean I can see where you guys want to get on this to get it in there cuz them lowering them numbers down to seven is very important for the city of Good Thunder.
There's two pieces of that that that getting that down to seven. That seven may not be there for five, six, seven years again. >> Right. Yeah, I understand all that. >> Water plant is desperately needed for repairs. >> If them you didn't get to see the trays up there. >> I didn't crawl I didn't crawl up in
there. No. >> Did Did you open the doors? >> No. No. >> Oh, well, I can enlighten you on that >> cuz I've looked at them over the years and I can't believe they're still standing there. So if those trays would collapse and you can't ariate the water
the way Brian is doing it now, we got good quality drinking water. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But if you can't arate ariate it properly, does that put a a a danger put us into another No, >> doesn't it's it really is the water quality in the water that's coming out
the other end. And if that exceeds uh uh EPA standards which are administered by the state then that qualifies you. Unfortunately you don't exceed those standards. >> Okay. So, um, you know, another thing that might
be considered here is that if if you use in-house money for the initial thing, the initial part, and then borrowed later when you're closer to getting that funding, then you pay less interest and you can pay it down
and it gets done. >> Well, I mean, if we took $500,000 of our money and for the engineering cost, that would take us quite a ways down the road. like you just said, then we could borrow 3 months or two months down the road the existing because you have to have this
all done by March, you said. >> So, not March, not March. So, can you get the task? >> So, >> by June. >> So, there's two two pockets we have to do. One pocket is to get this thing designed. That's the big one. >> Yeah.
>> And that's got to be designed and certified as quickly as we can. no later than August of this year. Okay. Or September and later. Okay. The other one is the facilities plan for
any new work you would like us to pursue for you. And you I think you should have us pursue uh the sanitary sewer and the storm SW work and any other work in the city that looks like it should be added that has
to be in by March. Okay. Two different buckets. One is your big one which signed. Your second one is to is for new work
for 2027 to put on the IU list to combine with his work some of his work he already declared deliver. If you want these brief scrollies just together, but we'll just simply
>> So we get this money that probably won't happen till 20. So once it gets off the grid prior to award so the water the drinking water in the
well we like to we like to put that on the high priority list try and get that done yet this year forbid if we can get to those web funds we want to get you those grant funds. So, we want to get that facility your
infrastructure done and out for bid and everything goes right, we'll have you paid back yet this year. The other piece of the funds, we want to get it designed, certified, and then let it rest and hopefully get this other
funds to go to your sanitary, your storm sewer, and package it and then take that out for bid for 27 construction. You know, this presentation, it didn't say anything about the existing building. If we went forward and built a new building,
>> what would what would happen to all this here? >> What do you want to have happen to >> Well, I mean, the equipment would come out of the building, >> demo all the equipment inside. If you want to retain the building, we could look at doing that. If you wanted to demo the whole thing, we could look at doing that as well. It really depends on
what you would like to do with that. I mean that that would be more cost to gut it or demo it. So I mean do we have to have that all figured in this cost too or >> um
you don't have to have it all out right now, >> right? Um it that we can get that included or not included up until the end. >> Okay. So there's time to think about what you want to do with that.
Yeah, that you know I don't see what a guy could use that for. Um we have a generator there that would have to go down to the other location. Hopefully we can use the same generator and you know because uh
otherwise you'd be throwing away and buying another new one, you know, transfer switch. >> This is funding. Now we're talking a different animal. >> Yeah. >> So the question is if you're going to get grants, do you want a new generator or do you want to use your old one that you're going to have to replace in 10
years? >> Yeah. But that big twoletter word if if >> you're going to know before you have to pull the trigger. >> Oh yeah. on whether you do because we could put that in as an ad alternate. >> Then you'll know what money you're getting and you can make that decision as a council.
>> Okay. >> After you know. >> All right. >> Cuz right now the decision I'm assuming you want that decision tonight on whether we want to finance it all ourselves or split it or
take a loan out so you can start the design process. Right. So, I think the funding piece is a is how you're going to do it is probably a separate discussion. Um, >> well, no, I'm I'm just talking about
paying you the the design fee, the 957 cuz that 957,000 we would have to probably have paid in full by the time by August because you would have to have everything designed and submitted by August. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> But we're also going out for bid right away. >> Right.
>> So, if not sooner. So, uh, yes. >> So, tonight you want a yes or no? And how much we'll put up like like he said, 500,000 or does that not even matter?
>> Tonight, we would like authorization to move forward with the buying uh on everything that's been funded. >> Right. Right. Okay. Um, so that's 957. We'd also like authorization tonight to move forward with putting any projects
you want us to put on the 27 list tonight. That's an additional 50,000. Those two combined uh would be our ask for tonight. Both are reimbursible cost. Um, and if
you would just read this uh resolution for council so they can understand what it's saying. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the AFA, the Minnesota Public Facilities Authority, is the Minnesota State Agency we're talking
about requesting money from. So, the the draft resolution says, "Oh, a lot of good lawyer speak here. Be it further resolved that the city of good fender Minnesota is hereby applying to the Minnesota PFA for improvements
to its municipal drinking water, wastewater and storm water dis systems as described in the application. Now the application would be the previous application the
the what was yellow and then this this pink >> and then everything new >> and then also the the new facility plan for $50,000. >> Be it further resolved the city of Good Thunder has the legal authority to apply
for loans and grants and the financial, technical and managerial capacity to repay these loans. ensure proper construction and operation and maintenance of the project for the entirety of its design
life. That's a fancy way of saying you can actually pay back the money you borrowed. Uh you're going to get it built. You're going to operate it and maintain it so it doesn't fall apart in 10 years and state may be a bunch of grants and loans and then the thing they
whatever fell apart. So pretty standard stuff. Be it further resolved that the city of Good Thunder hereby expresses its official intent to use proceeds of these loans and grants to reimburse planning, design, and construction
expenditures made prior to the issuance of its general obligation bond to the public facilities authority. So they call it a general obligation bond to the PFA.
That that could be another word for a loan or something, right? >> So the PFA would get that money. This says that they would reimburse you for all of that. Putting that in place now before we get started means that all this cost is reimburseable.
And this just does. How long before we would see a reimbursement if it got funded say first go around? >> So if we get if if we get out for bid it gets funded um believe the monies you can start to draw
is on June 1st. So uh but it's got to get out for pit. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. So >> that'll be June 1st of 2027. >> 26 >> 26 >> money's available for the drink and water will come available. Some people
have already started design like maybe a year ago. >> Right. >> Right. But you didn't know where you're at and your points are low. Now you do. Now we got to get you caught up. So it could be possible that you get funds yet
this year. In a perfect world, uh, shortly after bid, which you're not going to have any more money until it goes out for bid until you know, and then the money will start becoming available because you need to draw on that for construction >> because we're also going to have to look
at then say we get say we get funded. Um, but it's not going to be a guarantee that we chances are from my understanding, we will not get funded for the entire construction amount. So, we're also going to have to take out some kind of
funding loan to help cover the cost once we get into construction. Correct. >> So, I got to get back to you on what that looks like. >> Okay. >> But my hope is that we have draw funds that'll help do that and this is paid along the way.
Now here understand is that PFA hasn't had the history of working with communities under a thousand. Communities under a thousand just don't has the cash laid out to help pay for these things. So we have to work on getting this um multipided correctly.
I'd like to get back to you on that. I don't have it tonight exactly how that's going to happen. >> Yeah. I mean, because we we could fund it ourselves, but that's going to leave us no fund money at all. I I mean, we're going to have to
suck it up and forfeit doing other things. But if it takes, you know, if it takes two years for us to get back because it's to fund both of them, it's 1,7,000 between the 957 and the 50,000 for the
other. That's a big chunk of change. um you know and and we're going to have to pay all that out through the billing process through once you have it designed which sounds like August. So
my concern is I I mean I love it that we're on the list. I mean I never thought we would get there but it's a big chunk of change for us to forfeit right now. I know there's a long-term benefit for it, but it's just we've we've got to also
operate through those. >> So then I would consider doing 5050% of your own money. Save that interest, right? And then at 6 weeks before we need the other money, we'll make
application to Minnesota RU water for the remaining funds. >> They never turned anybody down. >> They haven't. >> Yeah. >> No. And so we'll get those funds for the rest of it. And so then you're not feeling the anxiety.
You've got that available. And once we get this out to bid, the majority of that's going to get paid off. So then the loan, we would have to start that process right away too if we did a split 50 split. Correct.
>> It takes about four to six weeks to get the loan in place for Minnesota real. >> Okay. Oh, that's what the the load is through. Okay. >> So, you don't have to start it right away, but since we when we need it, we just start the process >> and then through all this and your
engineering, you keep us up when we need to apply for that loan. You know, you're you're the ones going to say, "Hey, City of Good Thunder, it's getting close now. You need to go to Ro Water and get the other $450." >> We know we're not going to get paid until you get a loan in place.
That's the deal. >> How it works, >> right? So that but this is what Angela does >> and this is what she helps her communities work through uh getting that those other funding pieces in place. >> And that's four to 5%
interest on that money. >> It's right here. Four and a half to five. >> I just talked to Laura this afternoon, our director of that. the in the last two business days we've had a couple of those loans come through and they've been between four and a half and 5% annual interest.
>> Has that come down in the last >> Yeah, I used to tell cities five to five and a half up uh you know uh you know up until recently I guess >> when the feds lower the interest rate you know which Trump is really after
does that immediately affect Roaters interest rate then too? I don't know why stole any funds. I don't know how quickly it affects it. Um, but obviously once the loan is taken, it won't change it after that. >> But it's Minnesota rural water. So, is
it federal dollars or is it Minnesota dollars? >> It's Minnesota dollars. >> Okay. >> It's actually Minnesota rural waters accessing banks in the state of Minnesota to help fund these loans and they're acting as the financial recipient.
Um, and then they make the loans with the committee. >> So, it's a street it's a streamlined process that helps get the fees down. >> I just thought, wait, I just I know what we can do with that building, >> right?
>> I shouldn't say this, but we can put a daycare in it. >> Minnesota. I just couldn't miss. There you go. Open one hour a day like the ones in the So, >> we this million dollars out to you, are
we guaranteed that we're going to get this funding? >> Yes. And because this list was finalized today before tonight, we were thinking that we're going to come and review a draft because that's all they had. But they
finalized it today. So, you are in >> or guaranteed, >> right? If you get a design, you're in this range. to get access to those funds. >> Well, we've been saving money and being very frugal with our money for many,
many, many, many years. I think this is my 32nd year and I think when we come when I come on board, the city had like $65,000. >> Yep. >> To, >> you know. >> Yeah. >> And we've saved money and we still
provide services. Some say our tax is a little high. Yeah, I agree. I think some of that's to Drew with Lewis County and uh but I think we've been putting this off and Brian's been telling us about our >> I know I know >> our aging facility over there for
probably the last 101 15 years he's been doing it >> and I just >> ball when I was on console 30 years ago. >> I just don't think we can take and not move forward because of those numbers there are going to help usable,
>> you know. No, I mean >> first time he probably qualified. >> So I mean >> John's our financial guy, him and Sue and uh I think that uh we took 500,000 of our own money and funded it up until
we needed more and then go to real water and get the other remaining 450 or whatever it is. Probably wouldn't be that bad a plan game plan. We still have money. >> I know. Yeah, I know it needs to be done. Um it's >> you'd feel better about the 50/50
though. >> The firemen were here last. >> Yes. Because >> and they want a new >> rescue truck >> and you know that that could cost the city what that what was it going to be 13 >> 10 something,000. It's going to be two up to 250,000
and it'd be thirds because they have couple townships in the city. So you know 75 >> 75 to 1105 what we could look at. Yeah, leave some wiggle room in your, you know, if you got a five-year plan or, you know, however your future budget
forecasts look to Yeah. Well, my thoughts are Good Thunder needs to make this final decision and move forward because it is time.
Oh, getting back to that street that Sue lives on, South Holiday, and you touched on a little bit. Even though it was black top years ago, it is not right now. >> Well, you're not saying that it's blacked out years ago. Blacked up now.
>> It's breaking up. >> It's deteriorated. >> Breaking up. >> So, how would that go then? Going up that street sewer and storm sewer. That would be we drove it >> and black top would would it
automatically call for curb and gutter? How does that all work? >> So curbon gutter since it's not doesn't exist there today. You can add it but it's an ineligible cost. >> Okay. >> Right. >> It's our cost. >> It would fall outside of the grants and the low interest loan
>> provided for construction. And what does it cost to run curbon gutter per foot? >> Oh, I mean construction 40 45 bucks. It does come down quite a bit. So it kind of depends if you're
going to want to go to the if you match your curbing here. You want to go to a little bit thinner section to save some money. I would recommend concrete. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I don't think you'll be happy with asphalt at the end of the day, but we can make that a 12 in.
>> Yeah. >> Right. Make it smaller and less fun. >> Um, but that that would be the second phase project. >> 27. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, does that qualify as drive over curb as well? Is there a huge difference there? >> Uh, you can do drive over.
>> I was I was actually going to suggest it with a little bit narrower rightway. >> It just >> you're not redoing everybody's driveway approaches. >> Exactly. you're going to off their whole front door. I mean, you know, you're going to be right up to my front door. >> It it just it's a nice look and it functions really well.
>> They have that smooth kind of a subtle S rather than the >> the the regular style that'll hold a depth of water and that's kind of nice because for if you got a lot of volume of water, but yeah, for for that area that would look slick. So,
>> but could you do it without it? Because I know Euing Street doesn't have curbon gutter. or does that what's the difference? I mean, why would you >> you don't control water and to me you wrecked your your base underneath your street because you're allowing the water to run off and go underneath the street
and it sits there and it just punks it up and it to me it wrecks the street. Sometimes it can kind of break off the edges of that patuminous pavement with cars and trucks, >> you know, it just kind of breaks kind of right there and >> a bit little bit more ruting like with
people parking and stuff. I uh I don't know. It's >> it's not awful, but >> the garbage trucks, you know, they carry quite a lot of weight, you know, depend on what may be done and uh they can be awful hard on the edges of the road, you know,
>> where this concrete holds it together. Um well with that being said >> make a motion >> somebody make a motion to move forward on rehabilitation of a lot of things.
So the first is task for >> oh you need to be signed for um a resolution >> or >> these are the signature copies. >> So the first one let's do the resolution first which is reimbursing the city for
any prior cost or design cost including our facility plan costs. Uh that would require resolution. What number would this be for the year? The >> Well, we're probably not going to do the other two that I have in here today. So,
or the other one. >> So, I'm going to say >> 2026, I >> think. So, because we're not going to You're not going to move money now, are you? >> Probably not. It would make no problem. >> Then, yeah, we use uh three
>> three. >> Yep. 2020 clicks-3. >> Okay. So, may want to make a motion to approve resolution 2026-3 applying for the Minnesota Public Facilities Authority was all stated
the last 45 minutes. Simple as I can put it. >> Oh, you got three here. >> We're not doing that one though. This one >> that's moving the money. We're not doing that one. >> Okay. Not anymore. >> I'll make a motion to approve 2026-3.
I'm going to second. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor say I. >> I oppose. Motion carried. I'm assuming this for this one we'll be getting because this is what you have to have in by March. So, you'll be going to be submitting this one quickly and we'll have them built that one
>> for number three. Task order three. >> Yeah, task order three. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Do you have two of these or >> I I don't I apologize. >> Copy. >> Yeah, that one. I just brought one. >> So, the next would be a task order two
for final design, bidding, and uh negotiation for the all the items that have been funded on the test so far. which is the well the Washington plant um selfins
are very do we have to if we eliminate this building do we have to run another water man down that alley now we wouldn't would because we have one brand new 6 in I believe
going to that fire hydrant by your by your store there that that brand new hydrant that's there is that all new main coming. >> Well, we would just need a main for the raw water >> to carry the raw well water to the new But you're right because No, you're right because that
>> in the original application that regular water line was slated to be replaced as well. So, you've got that done already. Yeah. >> So, you're right. We wouldn't need to do that. >> Okay. But we do have to >> another one for the raw water from correct this well down to that >> untreated water from the well.
>> You got that marked on that print though, right? >> That the center. >> That's the adding that valve for the hydrant so we can isolate the hyd forget. Did you just kind of got thinking about
this that loft that the new treatment plant would go on? Do you see how that all raises up there? Would that area have to be re-rotten down so it's level? You know, because it it goes up like this. >> We saw that. Yeah. I don't really like
that. >> I don't really like that. >> And you know, I just got thinking Kelvin wants us to extend the street. I know it's a lot of clay down there. We could take the clay off there and use that up there to extend that street. >> Sorry, I I'm not >> Yeah, it's on that west end >> over here.
>> Yeah. >> Is it this thing? >> Uh yeah, I believe so. Yeah. >> What's the Is there a name for that street? Uh like an official name or is it just platted public right over >> um >> I don't think there that's okay.
>> The back road back there is Carlson Street. >> Yeah. See, that don't even have any of it on there. No, >> it's right over here. And that's where the street would be coming down. >> I don't think it's got a name. >> I think you guys are with it. That's great. Just curious.
>> But I got thinking that lot to me should be leveled out and >> if you can use it. >> Yeah. >> So can can the city before any of this gets funded, can we take and go in there
and say we want to scrape off that clay to build that street? Can we can we do work on that lot even though none of this is in order? >> So it is the only thing we need is we got to get a survey lines uh as soon as fur and we have to design it knowing that
the hump's not going to be in it. So just realize that there's some little bit kind of back and forth but I don't see us leaving that hump in there. >> No I don't either. >> I see us taking that all off and going back down. So, we'll set that grade at something else. You want a little bit of drainage, of course.
>> Well, yeah, but I mean, >> but yeah, >> right now the sidewalk goes like this, you know, on the west side. The sidewalk would probably disappear, which we've been working at trying to get new ones. Now, we're going to take out one that's good, but that's progress. >> Out of curiosity, I'm guessing the old
basement cement or concrete is is >> It's all gone. >> Oh, it's it is all gone. >> Yeah, we took it out. It's out of the hole. >> Gotcha. >> It's filled back up with dirt. So, >> Got it. Yeah. Cool. >> Yeah. So, how how big a building would be over there this facility? I mean, would that
be sitting right over where the the basement was where we'd have to dig down and recompact it, make it better? But I think we'll have to wait on the technical report, but that one comes from our but >> we wouldn't want to take all the clay
off there because you're probably going to need that >> there. You build a whole >> two sizes building. >> Yeah. >> All the little Yeah. >> chemical rooms. >> And is that building like pre-stress or what?
There's different things we can make it out of, but a lot of times we like to do block. >> Yeah. >> Like a rock face on the outside >> with block on the inside or and then better installation on it. But
we can go through that with you. >> Okay. All right. What was the next one? So, it's task order two for um design and bidding for the the water plan. >> And that's the $50,000 expenditure.
>> Task order three. >> Uh that's task order two as well. >> At the copies we had two and three. So, >> that's quarter two first. >> That's for the 950 sides. Somebody want to make a motion there to approve order
number two for 957,000 for final design bidding and negotiation from someone says >> so that'll be 2026-4 correct >> that's just a task
>> yeah I'll go ahead and make that motion a second all in favor say I >> opposed motion carried Step three. >> Somebody make a motion then to uh approve task order number three for $50,000.
I'll make that motion to approve task order number three for 15. >> I'm someone to second. >> I'll second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> I. Oppose. Motion carries. >> Okay. Could you just review with maybe
circle um the areas of included in the facility? >> Yes. I'm going to flip to the sheets. >> Probably have to have them. >> Okay. So, this is the map of the
existing sanitary sewer water man. If it's easier for you to flip to your own personality, feel free to do so. The areas with the yellow and the pink highlighting, that's that's already in the the IUP
facility plan that's coming up this spring, summer, whatever. So then for task order three, we're going to add the sanitary sewer and storm sewer, this p area to a facility plan and get that stuff on the PPL. But
are there other areas outside of any of that highlighting that the city would like to add to the facility plan? And keep in mind, this isn't committing you to spending any money. it doesn't
increase it doesn't you're not committed to to spend that money you're not you're you're just identifying it as something you want to pursue funding for. So me personally, it' be the looping. Uh I
know you don't know. Yeah, middle to minor for sure. >> Um the first two blocks over and then if we bring that all the way to Holiday as well. >> And I'm talking about sewer. >> Are you just talking sewer? >> Sewer sewer water storm.
>> Sewer water storm. Okay. Yep. >> That would be for water main but >> water main. Yep. Um, red clay pipe. Any of the red sanitary sewers clay pipe. I know you mentioned this area here. Uh, it was this one
here. >> No, >> that that had that. You're wondering about the INI. Yeah, >> maybe that would be a good one. >> That's one that's got the dump behind it >> with the service sticking in the fire sag. I know that
or however you ever say that. >> Can any of this ever be done for new development? >> I have to ask um question Brian. >> Yes.
>> The PPL application can that include extending utilities for new development or is it just for existing infrastructure? So it can include looping but it can't >> water mean looping. >> Yeah. >> But it can't include new infrastructure, >> right?
>> Makes sense. >> For new conne they they consider that a water quality enhancement. So that's included. >> But like a housing develop a new housing development or something is an awfully tough cell.
>> Yeah. That bas Yeah. Well, the guy that built this buildings here, I own this piece of property right here. >> Yep. >> He still wants to build more buildings here. >> Okay. >> And this is Graham Street. And there's water and sewer right to this corner.
But I believe right in here somewhere that that main goes down to 4 in. >> Correct. >> And uh it must go 4 inch all the way around or >> Yep. It's that whole U shape is 4 inch. >> Yep. And see, he would like to buy this
and put up like six or eight more of them buildings, but uh and then what he talked about putting affordable houses along Hiller Drive here, too. I don't know how far that's all going to go. Ongrade houses. Yep. >> Affordable housing.
>> Yep. >> But none of that would fit into any of this. >> Sure. Well, fits in. It's like you can take a water line this way all the loop. >> Yeah. Because uh there's that hydrant right here in this street that we're
doing, you know. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. You could because that is another dead end and we got quite a few of them in good. >> But I think it's a stretch to go from here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because they'd probably say, "Well, if you want to loop, just come down here."
>> Well, see, that's another thing. The lady these two houses here. This road. >> Yeah. >> Have private lines. >> They do. Huh? >> From here. >> Okay. >> And here to here. >> Yeah. Why wouldn't you? I suppose >> they have private lines running across
that field now. >> They were just on wells up to what? >> Sure. >> So they're not Are they Is that in city limits? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This the whole thing is in city limit. >> Oh, those two farms I'll call them are in city limits. >> Yeah, they have the city water and sewer. >> Sure. Sure. Okay.
>> Oh. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. That's right. You got the >> So, I mean, u being that they're private lines, if you ever ran this up here to serve them better, >> is that make it qualify a little better or not? Probably not.
>> Well, it you know what things can go in here and then and then we just get to hear from the agency. We just don't want to twist your arm too much to try and get things covered. But like this is a this is a loop, right? uh this might be a little bit of a pinch point to go all
the way in one shot. It might be this was a loop and then oh well this needs to be a loop another year right as things grow and need. So it doesn't have to be done all at once. It it might be helpful to do over a number of different
cycles but nothing else will even upsize that one on Graham Street. >> Yeah. I mean, uh, that 4 in that ends there right at Willard probably or a little bit past there
being that that's gravel road on Chapel. You know, there was a thing here a year ago that the state doesn't want 4 in, >> right? So would would we be talking about upgrading that since it isn't a black top road that >> I I think that's something we need the
city city to tell us and that's kind of what we're asking is what what are your what do you want to identify for I do know that the there are old the construction plans from when this was put in are >> the city does have those so we can verify the size here
>> but that is a 4 inch we can upsize it >> yeah and just and just do >> was it a minimum six or Correct. >> Yeah. If you got a water tower and fire flows and hydrants are 6 in diameter, you know, the barrel that tight and all
>> I know annual alliance report from the Minnesota Department of Health outlines a lot of their requests or suggestions on which ones that they wanted to see us loop and upsize. It's in our book in the binder here. We get a report every year from MPH.
>> Yeah. And that's always mentioned year after year is the size of those veins >> because we got a dead end here at Euing Court also let a fire hydrant. >> Yeah, correct. >> We got a dead end there too. You know, >> one of the things we could do is look through the records, talk with um
O'Brien and and uh you and then bring back a recommendation council consider >> that was good. >> I like that. Yeah. Well, the state's recommending certain loop that be the ones to look at.
>> Is that the >> one right down here on Delugoo's death that street? That's one of them. She always does on there every year. Oh, another thing where that new fire hydrant is, if you ran up new water on
uh uh South Holiday, >> think. Yeah. >> And where that new hydrant is by the gas station, would you just go straight south there and serve Holiday then? >> Yeah. Yeah, I would. I was looking at that 3 4 weeks ago and I thought, well,
I think you'd probably just bore you just bore under >> Sherman Street and connect it. You've got better circulation. Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that was probably the intent when the y'all were talking about this. It's just
>> But nope, I would absolutely do that. I I would maybe drill it since he already that already got ripped up and it's real nice sewer and all that, but >> that's doable to drill that. Oh gosh. Yeah. >> Oh, really? Perfect. Yeah, because then you don't wreck the street that you just
kept in there. >> And you don't even need a permit cuz that's not a county road. So, >> perfect. Less paperwork. >> That's right. >> So, we all we can do is put our heads together and think of all these things
that maybe would bake it all better for the city in the future. >> Yep. Maybe. Yeah. Agree. if you want to be thinking on your end and we'll put some thoughts together on our end and then we'll maybe get with these folks and kind of talk about it before
whenever it is you want to you know see that formal council meeting or you know if that's good plan I would probably suggest it that way. So now this what you're taking for input now is part of that facility plan that
that task order three. >> Yes. Okay. >> Correct. >> So with doing what we're doing, we have a bid here to do some work over there and one's down to 20,000 and is up as high as 26,000.
Would we still do that work? >> You're looking at imminent failure of that pipe over there. >> I know already one coupler the other. Then we could go back to iron pipe. We wouldn't have to put stainless >> using that facility only maybe two more years.
You know why by how many >> thing I noticed about these posts that you guys got? Just looking at it quick. It doesn't spell out anything on here as far as bracing and what this is just for replacing the pipe. What? It's pretty basic. There's nothing there about
>> Yeah, I think we'd want to go back to just iron pipe now. you know, we spent this kind of money, we might want to I don't know how much iron pipe versus stainless steel. It's got to be again as much, right? For stainless versus iron.
>> Well, it's going to be less for iron, but you could consider schedule 80 PVC. >> No, not in this application. We'll blow it apart. have so much water hammer there that whole pipe goes completely >> at 400 gallons a minute because it's no
longer connected up into the into the top of the um filter. It's it's flapping. So, >> gotcha. >> We and I can work on that and get new >> for that. Yeah, >> we better start saving money. >> Yeah,
>> it's real money. I mean, you don't mind spending money when you feel like the impact and payback is there, but you just throw it around either, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, just put those cost in that folder that you're going to ask for reimbursement. >> Okay.
>> Don't know if it's possible, but let's run it through >> since it's done after the resolution was passed. >> I was looking at Gant chart. You asked for some G chart. So, with some of the stuff, too. I have I have some templates that I've kind of
>> those are so nice for these guys. >> I'll I'll share that with you next go around and see >> what he's talking about is a gant chart. So when you have an engineering firm doing work for you, it shows this date this much is done. This date this much is done. you at a
glance you can see how all of your projects are coming along and >> it's updated on a regular basis and you guys >> I can update Sue before she's getting her packets out. >> You might say, "How's this part of that product?" I don't know. But then they
can keep it updated and >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. I I I live in a town just like Good Thunder and I'm I like I like doing what I do. So, thank you very much.
Appreciate it. >> How many small towns are like in our process right now? >> There's a lot. >> Right. And and part of that is because Vol's gotten good. And this is what we do. We specialize in communities of your
size and we help them understand strategically their infrastructure but more importantly we help them understand strategic funding how they access the funding that you can have all the grades in the world but can access funding.
I like that part when you you came here and you said you do towns our size because not saying nothing bad about voting and mink but they're for the manos you know you maybe you guys are for the good thunders you know and the small towns so
>> we've seen that that that's just being overlooked and you know the one thing that we really like is what I really like is when say the puzzle all the time I mean this is this is our this is The heartbeat of our country is is the small
towns, the council, the pledge of allegiance. This is who we are. Yeah, >> these are all volunteers. You're not getting you get small little cycling, but you're really volunteers helping your community. >> That's what we like to be part of.
>> Thank you very much for your your trust and it's our duty to continue to earn that always. So we will be bringing you information back. >> Okay. >> Any questions come up to I'm always available. >> I'll do that.
>> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, mayor. Mr. F. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Brian. >> All righty. We can continue on street
updates. Eli. >> Yeah. So, I guess the other than snow plowing, the one kind of big thing came up was on the corner of Front and Flynn Street, uh 147 North Front. They did have a sewer backup in their service
line that you edited out. There's a bunch of orangeberg in there. That is one area that hasn't been televised. Um I would say probably 90% of ours since 2016 has been, but uh we'll get empire in there, but there's going to have to
be a little bit of work. Um once we figure out where that line's running and where it hooks to the main uh we'll want to get that orangeberg out of there because I ini um in the past I believe it's been or Robert you can say because that might end up being similar to this
main street >> here where I think there's maybe two service lines or like a three service lines on a stub main. >> Yeah. So, does the city take care of the stub man and then everybody's uh kind of on the hook for their service line or
>> we can I can do the digging into it too and kind of come back once we figure out what's actually going down there. But >> where's that at? >> South of Denny Nelson's the tortois in place. >> Okay. Yeah. >> All right. >> So, where where his service line is
running is not towards a main. So, I'm thinking maybe Nibbies and maybe not Meyers up the hill is is hooked together as well, but I'll get more information on that and we can talk about in February. Uh Luke's Electric uh hung and unhung the Christmas decorations. It was
well worth the uh cost and just the safety aspect, let alone the time. Uh burning center lumber. I don't know if we want to go over numbers for removing the garage now or not. Those were in your packet. Okay. I put carbide cutting edges on that 450. I fled a couple of
times. Can't even tell I used them. Uh other than the paint's gone. Sander lifting bracket. Saves a ton of time getting that sander in and out. Um so that worked well. I've looked at some suitable replacements for the plow truck. Haven't found any. I'll let you
know if I do. And uh I did start sweeper repairs today. So working on the brakes now. And I'll continue going through that. And I'll let Robert uh or Brian cover the water stuff because he's here finally. >> Finally.
>> You have any questions for Eli before I >> No. >> All right. I'm I'm short and sweet, too. Um >> not what Kathy said. >> Yeah. We're starting a new year. Uh this year um
for myself, my water license, uh continuing education credits are up for renewal and Eli needs to take his class D wastewater exam in March. He has a year under his belt when March somewhere
by the time you get the test. um so he can actually get his test and become certified class D operator for the wastewater ponds. And so I would suggest what I'm asking for you to do, I have the conference uh application form here.
It's going to be um for if we post market prior to February 27th, it's 350 bucks per person if we're a M uh Rural Water member, which we are to attend the three-day session. My
three days will be all training. His three days will all be exam prep. So, he'll be in classroom training and then the test is on the final day. And typically the way they prep you, you'll you'll pass the test. So it's going to be that it's going to be hotel
travel mileage stuff like that. So we're asking the council for tonight is approval to attend the Minnesota Water Association technical conference in St. Cloud, Minnesota in March March 3rd.
Uh let's see here. March 3rd, fourth, and fifth. Yeah. >> Let's hope March comes in like a lamb. >> Yeah. Yeah. True. >> Yeah.
>> So, we're asking for your approval for that. So I make a motion then to approve the conference for the 3rd to the 5th in St. Cloud. Right. I'll make the motion to approve the counsel or the >> Eli getting to be certified for
>> would you say >> and me and me? >> Oh both of you. I'm sorry. Yes. Both of you to attend the conference. >> Yes. >> Somebody make a mo or someone second. >> I'll second. All in favor? >> I oppose. Motion carried. So, you have a
copy of this application, too? >> I online. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Um, otherwise, I'll fill mine out and Sue, you can just credit card it and do your thing. And >> I can do it, too. >> Oh, sure. Yeah, if you want to just do it for both of us.
>> Pretty close to my limit. >> Fine. All right. I >> fine. So that um see yeah water wise we just had some stuff to talk about with the fighting quote. Um
you guys will have to he's going to do a little more research on that and see if we can clarify it a little more. Get a quote for cast iron. We don't have that yet. And >> for sure there's a couple chunks of pipe that for sure need to get placed and it's if it makes more sense to do the
chunks or do the whole thing >> probably do the whole thing. But we can get those numbers and we want that one for sure the one valve replaced because there's one that's leaking back. >> Yeah. Leaks back to the filter overflows. >> Yeah. >> Like I in I um
>> I guess you know we got to get the pipes replaced. You replace them but save the money and not go stainless, you know, because in a few years you'd have a whole new facility. >> The pieces they patched in were all stainless pieces. >> Um whatever. But some of that's back there
where that'll probably stay >> with the with the transfer of the So that means >> Yeah. One piece of it anyway. >> Yeah. >> One little spool piece. But >> the pass is stainless almost cheaper than steel. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know.
>> You'll have to ask them >> when when we go to cast iron, it's got to be threaded with threaded flanges. And the stainless steel they're pre they're pre-made. They just flange on they take around it. It's a lot less labor. Uh so I think you'll save on the material and you'll pay for it in the
labor. But >> well see what they whatever if they there's only a couple hundred bucks it ain't worth the e effort. >> Mhm. >> You know probably only be that maybe it won't even. So >> yeah, >> yeah, I already mentioned that at the
wastewater fun last charging I see one part of a million bosses. So that worked really good. I haven't seen what that stuff is costing because I filled that tank like three times and I don't know how much that cost but it's >> it's very expensive. >> It's very expensive. Yeah, it's
>> like three grand a bill or >> three to five. Yeah, that's probably about what I expect in it. >> How much? >> About 3 to 5,000 every time we fill it. >> Really? >> Better than fines. >> Yeah. 100gallon tote of the is
about 1,100 bucks. And three totes to fill that. So 33 3500 >> and it's filled about what? Four times a year. Three times a year. >> Three last year. Three >> last year. Okay. Yeah. >> Oh, you got about 10,000 10,000 $11,000 worth of expense there. Yep.
Okay, >> that's it for me. >> All right. Personnel committee policy updates, HSA contributions. >> I'll ask to table that till next month if that's okay. All right. Treasurer update.
>> Um, so we've had a couple past two utility bills um that I did send out disconnect notices. Those went unanswered. However, it is winter now, so I don't know if wants to just kind of keep an eye on
them and then we'll do the disconnects if needed in April or whatever. Um, right now we're down to one. There were two. We have one now. Thank you. >> Just have to keep an eye on because you
can't shut it off now, right? Well, we could, but I don't think it's a wise idea. >> El and I kind of talked about it and yeah, it's just not we could end up with a lot of other issues if we did. >> Yeah. >> So, >> all right. >> Um, and then I was working on trying to
get some quotes for fiber internet. The fire department has requested that we relook at the internet for them because they're having a hard time with some trainings. Um, so I'm looking into that. I did get some quotes, but I want to try to get it through the consortium. Is that what it's called?
>> Prettium. >> The purchase co-op, whatever it is. Yeah. Um, with contracts that a lot of times there's you can get it cheaper potentially. Um, we still had two problem properties um that I sent we had agreed last fall and
I sent them to the attorney. He did send one last stitch effort letter to the residents. nothing has happened on those two and so I told them to continue to proceed with that. Um, mileage rates increased 2.5 2.5 cents per mile. They increased
to those things like 73 and a half cents a mile. 72 and a half cents something like that. >> Fuel and gas went down. Why would they be going up? >> That's what it is. >> Federal thing, right? Yep. >> Yeah. That's mileage reimbursement. Yep. W2s were done. Um, all the year and
stuff has been done. I am waiting for BKAR, which is now Carlson SV, because they joined with them. I'm waiting for them to get me the list of the audit information that they need because they'll be coming out here in the next couple weeks to pick up the samples that they requested.
>> Will it be the same people coming though? >> Yes. Yeah, we still have our same auditor. We still have Greg. We still have Luke. Um, and I can't remember the other guy, >> but they just joined with Carlson SV. And I think that's all I have. The paid
leave has been set up in Banyan and it's working correctly because it's been coming out of my check. So, >> all righty. That it >> that's all I have. >> Unfinished business. Do we have any? >> I move on to new business. Now, we're
only going to have one resolution here. >> We have two. >> Two. The first one is just the one that the auditors requested we do every year um with the automatic a payments that we do
for the resolution 2026 do >> we have to do them individually or can we >> do both the other one is setting the limit that I can pay between meetings at $7500 up to >> right somebody want to make a motion
then to approve resolution 26 2026-01 and 2026-02. Motion to approve. I'm in a second. >> Second. All >> in favor? >> I motion carried. Okay. Council committees that we do
every >> Yep. These are the ones that were done last year that you have in your packets. So whatever changes you want to make. >> Everybody happy with doing what they're doing? >> Yep. >> Want to change it or any changes? If not,
leave as is. >> Do we need a a motion on that list? >> We need a motion to approve the >> 2026 council of committees, >> different committees. And the official newspaper is still the Maple River Messenger. The official bank is still the post or the US bank. Right. >> And then the posting place is city hall,
the post office, and the red iron mercantile. >> I'll make a motion to approve the 2026 committee list and official bank paper and posting place. >> John made the motion. Someone to second.
I'll second it. All in favor? >> I oppose. Motion carried. Miscellaneous build business selling sand or red rock to residents for icy driveways. I had a couple residents ask if they could purchase the sand or red rock for their driveways.
>> We said no. I just thought I'd put it out there so that at least residents know that I did bring it to council. We really can't sell the sand because we get it from Blue County. >> The sand's Blorth County saying it has salt in it. So, I don't know. We want them
red rock. >> We could sell the red rock. Um they they could also buy breadards, >> ramenards, >> but then it's just more that Eli has to go around and try to deliver if they want it or how you going to sell it. Some of them wanted like a five gallon bucket. >> Well, that's what I was just going to,
>> you know. So, >> if somebody wants five gallon bucket and we want to put that on the fee schedule, I guess we could do that, but we weren't really sure how to proceed with it. >> I guess you know how many people are going to go get a five gallon buckets? five or three or >> Well, we had one resident that um was
concerned and wanted to put it on the street and I'm like, "Let us take care of that for you." >> We had that one guy filled in his whole yard and did his landscaping with the rock from the pond in his van with five gallon pales. So, we don't want to open that door crack.
>> That's Yeah. So, >> good night. >> I put it on the agenda and we discussed it. So, >> all right. Hand that to shoot. Definitely no one was dealing. >> Anything else under miscellaneous >> due diligence
>> business at all? Then if not, I make a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. All in favor? >> I oppose. Motion carries. Thanks.