with liberty and justice for all. Thanks everybody. Uh first thing tonight is a public hearing to certify some unpaid utility bills ordinance violations. Leworth County. We have a list here.
Discussion. >> Tom, if you're on there, I guess. Do you want to make a >> Yeah, I do. >> Um, >> first, can we have you state your name and where you're from? >> Yeah. Tom Shoemaker. um or 21 South Hall. >> Okay.
>> Um I asked for this uh service to be discontinued in March or early April of last year. Uh I didn't document it at that time because I didn't think there were going to be cities. Didn't think I was going to have any issues.
Um obviously it wasn't turned off. Um now I'm in receipt of a letter date of 30 October of stating that an unpaid balance is going to be sent to blue earth county and um I just want this
resolve in the time since I've be discontinued no action was happen the fact pattern very clear and I have it well documented u so I'm not going to get into those details sales to me, but I'm going to
have city to um forgive the current charges of uh 45652 and then reimburse me for what I've been what I paid since I asked for disconnection.
That amount is 1427. So that total would be 1,270,7. So you who did you contact do you think have this discontinued? Was it the former street man or I >> contact city office.
>> Okay. Um >> so he contacted the city office, wanted it disconnected. We couldn't turn the curb stop off. That was part of the problem. And we had I had talked to the resident and stated that we couldn't I think actually I think Grace might have done it. Um but
we couldn't get the curb stop off and so we had to have it repaired and it was trying to get them to come out and repair it and in conversation with our attorney and with Mr. Shoemaker. He wanted it shut off and our attorney had first advised us against it but then
suggested that yes, we could after consulting with Mr. Shoemaker. And so then that's when we found out we couldn't get it shut off. And then once we could get it shut off, Mr. Schumarker had I I can't remember for I think I have it documented um if it was me or if it was Grace and said just leave it for
now. I'll let you know later. And then we hadn't heard anymore. >> So has it been repaired? >> Yes. Yes, it was repaired. >> Yep. >> Stuff got repaired in was identified as broken in May of last year. Again, I'm not going to go into too many of these
details, but uh it was identified in May of last year on the 1 of May and then it wasn't repaired until approximately, you know, late September, early October. >> I could find out when it was repaired. We had a hard time getting the guy out
there, too. But yeah, I have all that. I can find out when exactly that was. >> So, one of your contacted owning until late July. >> So, one of your rental properties. >> Yes. Is the one on the west side of the street? Is it Well, you got two of them on the west side.
>> Yeah, it's 440. >> What number are you? >> 406. >> Okay. It's the first place. >> It's the second the twotory with the front porch on. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> Nobody's been living in there for >> not since May. Yeah. >> So, what were them first two figures you had, Tom? >> The first one, Robert, is the amount of money I paid kind of, you know, really
to avoid the city council having to deal with this and my name being associated with unpaid bills. That first number is money I paid after I requested disconnection. 81427. >> Okay. And they said, "I have made
numerous requests to have it shut off and ask for explanations about why it was not shut off. Um, none satisfactory and continue to get build for it." So the current charges and the only way I
could get the thing turned off was um to acrew $4565 two cents in past viewing and then it was discontinued disconnected because of the unpaid bill.
Now the city is threatening to send to county and have it assessed on my property taxes. We got a different figure here. Which figure are we supposed to go by? >> The 39016 does not include the turn on.
That's just the There's a $75 fee to shut it off. So that's what that includes is 3916. It doesn't include the $75 to turn it back on. So if you add the $759, I guess I'm not sure where you get. But
then Tom continued to pay from last May way up through October, I take it. Is that correct? >> Did it get shut off? I don't remember. >> I have to let it. >> Yeah, I can tw it up. >> So that' be six months went by there.
>> That's due balance to just to get your figure correct. And I don't know about $75 or anything, but the disconnect fee on here is $75. A reconnect fee is not listed on here. And the total pass due
balance on the bill in my hand is 45652. >> Does that >> So again, total I'm asking for and credit $1,270.79. How'd you come up with that figure? again
the costume bill that's dated 10:3125 and the the bills that I've paid since I asked for disconnection
68155 on 4925 5 check number 1782 6636 that I paid on 51925 check number 1785
and the bill that I paid 6636 check number 1789 on 20 June that's the last time I made payments that it gets shut off and I quit van. >> Is the issue resolved yet?
>> It's been shut off, but there's $1,270 hanging out. >> Well, 6636* 12 is only $796. That's per year. Yeah, there was a past due balance when I paid the
Scott when I paid the $6155 in April of um this year. There was a past due balance. >> So, is that from the previous tenant? >> That's since that's charges since I asked for it to be disconnected.
So, were there any were there any charges unpaid by the previous tenant at all? >> I think you could have that question better answered by the city clerk. >> Okay. >> There was no gallonage used. Obviously, this is just the minimum, right?
>> Um I would have to pull every bill. >> Yeah. Well, >> I'm assuming there was probably just the minimum since >> Yeah, 6636 is the minimum >> because that's what I pay. >> 636
>> not even or 6636. >> 636. >> Anything that you've had to pay since May of 2024 because the shut off was not shut off. I think that we should reimburse for sure. whatever other. >> So with that, when we got the curb stop
fixed, we had asked him and he said, "I'll let you know because of the $75 disconnect fee." >> And then we hadn't heard anything. >> I never said I didn't want it turned off. I >> He didn't want to pay the $75 disconnect. >> Standing with my original request to
have it turned off. That's That's undisputed. >> And it is turned off. >> It is now. >> It is now turned off. That >> I quit paying the bill. So, it was disconnected. Involuntarily disconnected. When I requested it, it didn't have one.
>> Yeah. Well, if it's broke, it's hard to turn something off. If it's broke, the >> But how long did it take to fix it? >> Did you ask for it to be shut off originally? >> I asked for April of 24. >> Yeah. The first time that we were able
to document um anybody talking to bonings about it was in July and I wasn't repaired until end of September. >> I'd have to pull the records. >> Yeah. I don't >> I mean we can definitely um I can pull all my documentation and also wants to
meet review this at a later date. We certainly can do so. >> I don't really want a table. I think it should be resolved >> at the top of that. I can't pull anything at this point. It's been going on for a long time. That's what this meeting is for. It should have been prepared. >> Do you have documentation to submit to?
>> I can. I I prefer not to. I think we all know when I asked for it to be shut off and it didn't happen. And >> what was the balance at the time that it was the first asked to be shut? >> I would have to pull all that information. >> See? Yeah. It's just >> I mean after several letters and and
unpaid and you know >> Yeah. It's all, like I said, I have it all. >> Well, the fees, the $75 each way is regardless. Everybody's going to pay them. They're in the in the bylaws. >> And that was why >> if you leave for the winter, you have to pay it. You come back in the spring, they have to pay it.
>> Well, I'm just stating >> I've read it. I understand. Okay. I don't dispute it in any way. >> All right. Well, it's hard to just throw numbers at us like this without knowing >> well >> backgrounds on >> Yeah, forgive me, but that's what this meeting is for, right? So, we should ask
for prayer. >> You compelled me to be here tonight to dispute this and you're not prepared. That's not my problem. >> Okay. >> The whole idea of the letter um that was sent out is if there's any questions that they come up and and speak with we speak with
>> with city hall. Um, >> I agree. >> Information is on there. >> I agree. Maybe adjust an adjustment needs to be made, but we're going to have to have all the documentation. And I'm not saying if you say we don't have it all and it's not available right
now, this may not get solved tonight. We have to know the facts. I'm not voting on something just grasping for numbers out of the air. >> There's There's not numbers out of the air. >> I just wrote down a whole bunch of numbers. I don't have any proof or any documentation.
>> Well, you know, I didn't come up here to to lie to you. >> No, I never said you did. >> I gave you dates and check numbers that are easily verifiable. >> Okay. A nice >> asking I'm just asking for it to be resolved.
This letter is pretty clear. If I don't come up here tonight and address this, it's being submitted to Blorth County. >> Well, we can act on that. That's not a problem. if you you know if you want to if you want to drag it down the road adjudicate it next year or whatever it's >> we're not going to do it next year. No,
we don't do that. >> We didn't think that we did that when we didn't turn it off even. >> Yeah. And that was not something that I was aware of. >> This is the first I've heard of it. But I mean I don't think we want to drag this out. Obviously
somebody dragged a feedom and getting the shut off fixed. >> Yeah. you know, agreed. But >> can we come to a dollar figure tonight so everybody's happy? >> The other two utilities turned them off promptly and I didn't have any
outstanding bills from there. Um, you know, the reason I continue to pay was to avoid this. I didn't want to be here tonight. I turned down a 4-day vacation to be here tonight because I got this letter, right? So,
>> this wasn't the first letter that you had though. cash payments in between there as well, which I wasn't able to get the receipts for, so I didn't bring those up tonight. I'm willing to settle for the 1,200 70 whatever cents that was
and be done. >> That'd be the full amount though that you want. >> That's the full amount without without getting the receipts for the C for the cash payments. Any payment that was posted I can pull up on our software and I can do it tonight. But how long do
we want to hang this out? >> I think we're thinking about getting it done tonight so we don't have to come back here and table this. It just it seems like a mistake that was made on >> granted but we got to know the information to make a
do justice to the the problem. For the benefit of the council, my back pattern is very clear. I have documented times when I've been up here. I have a recorded conversation. I have voicemail messages and I have email messages. Um, under
device of council, I'm not going to disclose that stuff tonight and I and I won't until I'm compelled to under discover. >> This is the first time you came up here and brought up anything about it. Yeah, I've been trying to get it taken care of
since No, >> I'm just saying to RS. >> So, when you got the disconnect notice, um, how come you didn't come up and have a conversation with me is what I'm asking. I mean, I I hear you and I understand what you're saying. However, >> I think what's happened is you've turned it adversarial and I don't want to deal
with it. That's why >> I don't know. I don't I don't see that. But >> I mean, if you want to wait, I can pull up all the documentation. >> Have to >> We're going to try to get something solved tonight. >> A dollar amount.
>> Would you Would you think that maybe you're a little at fault and the city's a little bit at fault or is the city 100% at fault? Robert, I take I take um you know what I do and don't do um as my
responsibility. >> Could I have been more proactive? Possibly. The fact is I've been up here numerous times to talk to the clerk and it's gone unresolved. There's there's no good reason why it wasn't shut off to
start with. I had to talk to the city attorney um last year and you know whatever reasons they decided to to um between the clerk and the city attorney to set city policy about disconnect
um I don't know they don't hold an election certificate they don't you know they don't have the opportunity to to um dictate public policy for the city of Goodunder So there's issues there too with qualified immunity and all kinds of
stuff that we can get into that I don't want to get and I'm not pining for a problem, Robert, but I'm prepared. >> Well, I'd like to get it resolved tonight because I mean I'm just throwing this out there. Would
you be happy to split the 1270? We both take 5050% plan. Would that work for everybody? Just throwing it out there. It's a suggestion. That way we can be tonight. We can be done. We can start over even Stephen and and and we're all done.
>> You know, I like the way you think, Robert. And >> well, I mean, I want to get this resolved. So, she don't Well, Sue's already left to go. Maybe look, but Alto, what do you think? Is that a idea? Well, that would be a little under 650,
>> which if he's paid >> if you've paid that in payments already. >> I mean, I would say probably half's not enough. But >> when did when did it get fixed again?
H >> because it was May of 2024, September, October of >> It went six months before it got shut off, right? >> Or no, got shut off. >> Correct. >> You said you've already paid 814 just in
bills since it hasn't been shut off. >> Correct. >> You know, I'm not I'm not up here to the the 45652 isn't going to make or break me, right? That's not really not really a >> you might have a conversation.
>> It's consideration, right? But it's not a make or break factor. The money right now is not really the biggest reason. I said >> because I would I would think the fees after he said it was to be shut off and it didn't get shut off. So that would be
the 81427. >> Yeah. Because what was your bill? Uh your number 12. What? It's 122779 total for the two. They owe us 707 >> 81427. I forget the order there, but total is
12779. Half is 63540. >> I can't tell you Robert again because I didn't document before because I've never had a problem. I didn't anticipate having a problem. It's always been really easy with the city to get it under. Um I can't tell you if there was
an outstanding balance when I paid the 681, but I'm guessing I mean just based on the way things work, right? I paid 68155 in April,
>> zero it out. >> That was April this year, right? Yeah. Then the following two months, following two months I paid it because I had asked, "Hey, talk to whoever you got to talk to and get this thing worked out
and it didn't." So then I quit paying the bill. So it would be shut off and I >> Is it shut off right now? >> Yeah. I believe if I hadn't kept paying the bill, it would never have been shut off. Were
you involved in any of this, Eli? >> Uh, I shut it off when uh I posted the disconnect notice and then I shut it off and I don't have the date that I did that, but just this uh within the last two months. >> Yeah. >> Well, you started end of April, right? So,
>> October 7th. >> Started end of April. So, it wasn't before that. >> That was >> What's that? >> October was shut off >> of this year. >> Of this year. Yeah. Oh, okay.
>> So, I mean, I don't know about the previous previous balance stuff, but whatever you've incur incurred since you've requested the shut off, which you're saying is that $800 $81427. I mean, that's what I I I would propose
as a settlement. I kind of side with Amy on that. >> Would you >> whatever he he asked to have it shut off, we couldn't shut it off. >> That's my opinion >> would be 8:1427.
>> Yeah. And that would have been starting that's the May 24th date or is that the September October? >> Oh, was it April something, wasn't it, Tom? >> 2024. >> Yeah, it's the end of March or early
April when I contacted all the utilities for that property. And then again, just the way I expected to go was the same way the other two utilities handled it. You know, on the first of May, it was cut off. >> How about the house to the north? Is
that shut off? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Just wondering so we're all on the same page about that property. >> May 21st, you sent an email that said you wanted to revisit the shut off because of the minor child that was living in the facility. So, at that
point in May 21st of 2024, you revoked the shut off. You were rethinking it and you were going to let me know. There's an email I can print out if you'd like. >> Well, I might have said I was going to revisit it, but I didn't say I didn't want to shut off. >> You said I need to rethink it here. Hold
on. >> So, why did Bonings get involved after that? >> They had to come out and repair the stock, >> whether it was going to be shut off or not. >> Yeah. You wanted to make a decision after the curb stop is replaced prior to
continuing with my request. >> And when Yeah. And when race was out >> and then that 21st >> he asked me if he wanted it if I wanted off and I said I were standing in my front yard. Bony was still in the property.
>> Would have been working then. Okay. 24. Yeah. Pardon? 24. May of 24. >> Yeah. >> He would have been. >> So you asked him at that that time that you wanted to ask me again after it was repaired. >> Yep.
>> And and like I said, that was end of September, first part of October of last year. um what I wanted to do then and I said my position stays the same because I I just wanted this connected. Having it connected and in my name continue to
cause me problems for you know until March of this year. Are you going to continue to use it as a rental property? >> I may because on all the rental properties the owner is the top >> Yeah. person. Yeah,
>> I haven't decided. >> It's pretty uh disastable experience I had this last time. I haven't decided. >> That's why I wouldn't be a myself, but I wouldn't want that job. >> If you wanted to put that on the market,
you don't want this on that >> there. And I don't really want my name associated. So that's why I paid the that's why I paid the 681 and the two following bills. But yeah, here I sit. >> Well, can we come to some kind of
agreement tonight? We're >> I would suggest the the pay uh Tom the 81427, pull the pull the um tax thing that for the resolution that we have and
call it good. The rest will have to be written off if there's still a remaining bal balance. Anybody else with further discussion? Got Jim. >> The 81427 was a charges since he said to
shut it off. Was there any unpaid balance before that? >> No. The um person who was renting it did come in and pay some. >> And then Yeah. And May 21st he um asked for a stop on the shut off until he had a chance to rethink. was called a game
day decision. Anybody else? If not, John, you want may I have a motion? >> Okay. I'll make a motion to reimburse um Tom for the 81427 remove them from the um resolution 25
2025-14 so it doesn't go to Blorth County and if there's the remaining balance that we city right it off to second we'll second all in favor say I >> opposed motion carries all right
probably a little bit everybody's fault but we don't want to sit here and come back a month from now I knew you this issue, you know, we just want to take care of business. We're done. >> Thank you. >> I hope you're happy. >> I am. >> We're not blaming anybody on either party. We're just taking care of
business and getting it done. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Okay. The remaining remainder of these on this list here, what do we have to do? Just uh check them over and like kind of certify them and then
>> conversation. Otherwise, council approves the resolution. Oh, like the first one with the second one line item down. Now, now if did you happen to go by there today, Eli? Were they cleaning? >> I believe they were doing some cleanup.
Yes. >> So, I can see where this is going to go. >> But these are the fines associated with that. Yeah, I know. It's just >> and he's going to come and say, "I cleaned that up." But it's too late because we're having the meeting. >> We're glad he's cleaning it up, but the city's already incurred the >> Yep. Yep.
>> Um the >> He did nothing until it was timeility. >> All right. Anybody got a question on any of them? If not, then somebody make a motion to approve resolution 2025-14.
I'll make a motion to approve 2025-14 excluding Thomas Schum. >> All right. Somebody second. Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. Motion carried. And we can close the public hearing. So we make a motion to close the public
hearing. >> I'll make a motion. Close the public hearing. >> Someone second. >> I'll second it. All >> in favor? I motion carried. And now we can open the regular council meeting. Uh, first thing is the consent agenda.
This is our only second time on this one. So, if there's any questions on any of the regular business, >> do did you say we we address it now or a little later? >> We pull it out. We approve the consent agenda with the subtraction of Okay.
Whatever one. Yeah. >> All right. Anybody got any to pull out of the cass? >> No, it would. That look fine to me. All right. If not, somebody make a motion to approve. >> Make a motion. >> Someone second. >> Second. All
>> in favor? >> Motion carried. All right. Community comment. Looks like we're good there. Uh, South Point Credit Union sitting in the back row. >> I'm I'm a pacer. I'm going to get up and talk. So,
>> you can't pay. Um, so I was contacted regarding information about our HSAs that we carry through South Point Finance Credit Union. Just to give you a little history, South Point's been around since 1986. Started in Sleepia, expanded to eight branches south central
and central Minnesota. Um one of the um what we carried there, one of the things that we carry there are HSA accounts and again um through um had I think been recommended through another
party to just check us out. She had contacted me just asked some questions. Um, I got some information um, for you all and then I just offered to just come down and basically do a a question and answer type of thing based on our HSA accounts that it sounds like would be
for sedan. >> Yep. So, um, laid out in your packet there, there's three things. There's my card. There's the just a little bit about the HSAs and where the limits are going to be for the
remainder of 2025 and then 2026 the changes made the slight changes. And then the second thing is actually my product guide on the on the HSAs that I studied to learn about these. So um it's
nothing that I can't share with you. Um, yeah, I'm basically here just to answer questions you may have on our HSA accounts and how we handle them. Um, basically what your guys's part would be. And
um, so that's another part on our agenda tonight is to go over um, new insurance for the upcoming year for the for the employees. So, and we've talked about getting an HSA um in the past, but never really looked
into it. So, is this some So, this would be something outside. No, we're cuz our insurance comes through Eminem. >> Yep. >> But this would just be the place where the HSA would go to. Our plan if we we
approve it tonight to move to that HSA through Eminem. This would just be a funding vehicle for it. Correct. We're essentially the old the savings account for it, >> right? >> Yeah. If you're going through Eminem, they're going to handle it. And then as far as payment goes or the AC's that go
to these accounts, that's just whatever you do with payroll. >> Okay. >> They they would handle it set up by I'm assuming s, >> right? Yeah. >> They would be diff could they be different amounts between the two employees? >> I think so. Yeah. Okay. >> So, it's based on the eligibility of a
high deductible plan. So, whatever plan you guys, and it's laid out here on the bottom of the this page here, it's the qualifications for the high deductible plans, whatever you guys are looking at. Um but yes, then um whatever amount you guys uh determine um you guys would the
city would contribute and then the employees have the option to contribute um if the city's amount doesn't equal up to the you know Eli if Eli's a single person he has a single um contribution he can max it out at 4,300 for 25 2025
if the city's contributing 3,000 Eli can contribute an additional 1300 spread out through his paycheck. It would just be a separate a or your payroll. >> So that those so we'll be looking at 2026. So >> y city only covers for the employee not
family. So they're both single regardless of status. So so for 2026 we're looking at the 4,400. So, if the city were to give, I'm just throwing it out for right now, two grand. >> Mhm. >> Then they can make up the $2,400 difference throughout the pay.
>> If they want to split it up through, if you guys do bi-weekly, um, without giving out too much information, we're bi-weekly where I work, >> right? >> Mine split up between the 26 paychecks. >> Okay. >> But yes, it's additional as long as it doesn't go over the 44 they moved it up
to for 2026. Um, if an additional payment does put you over that 44, it's actually either kicked back to you or it's put into your membership savings account. You do have to have a membership savings account to be a member of a credit union. >> So, you have to get up to that 4,400.
No, anything below. >> There's no penalty for getting or for maxing it out or not maxing it out. >> Just can't go over it. you just can't go and when you wouldn't be allowed to because it's all based on um the contribution through your social security number and we are um informed
once the um any contribution comes over to that would put you over um if even if it's a partial payment um $12 is going to be returned and then we decide if we're going to put in your savings or if we how you guys want to handle that.
>> Okay. So when they're say over 55, they could actually put 5400. >> That's the only leeway on that is once you do hit 55, you have a catchup or it's called a catchup. You can put an additional $1,000 in there. >> This ain't the one that they got to
spend it or lose it. It's like >> carries over. It carries over. I've had mine for >> four and a half years and I have not I've I've not used all of mine and there's no penalty for that. Um, we have no annual fee on ours. Um, it does
state, um, the members will get a fee schedule. I believe it's every January or February of every new year. It does state in our fee schedule. There is a $10 service charge for it. We have to put that in there by law. We chose not to charge that. So, there is no fee for having an HSA account with us.
>> Okay. Okay. Is that like the $5 opening an account thing or >> So the the the opening in the account thing we for the the credit union we ask for a $10 um uh payment or or deposit and that's put
into your um membership savings that is your placeholder become a member owner give you voting rights at our annual meeting and stuff like that. Now, with this situation with a business, um we um in collaboration with our business development team decided that this would be um something that we could run
through marketing and we would actually cover that $10 initial deposit. Um and the deposit comes back, they would have her close out their accounts completely with South Point. So, it's just that $10 basically gives them a name at South
Point and a um right to vote on everything >> unless they were already a member, I'm assuming. Correct. >> Yes. >> And even if the city does the single coverage, which was what their guidelines are, >> do they have the option then if they chose to
um put in the other turn it into a family coverage? >> We can turn it into a family. Yes. We would just need the notice and then there's information we would need on spouses or family members >> just for them. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Is then there's no minimum for that
family coverage then you know it's maximum. >> Nope. >> But have 8750 I take it for 26. >> Yeah.$ 8750 for 2026. And how they do it and it's every single year. So it starts January 1st, but you actually have So
2025 you could pay until April 15th on 2025's year. So April 15th of 2026, you can still make contributions towards the 2025 year. >> Oh, okay. >> So >> okay. Have you guys public or the personnel
have you met with uh Sue and Eli at all about >> We met this past week >> and um we're going to go over some of that later. Um >> Okay. >> Um but the HSA we've we've been talking about and they're both more than willing
to be on board and >> Okay. Couple of other things that come with this is um if a person decides to use checks or wants checks associated with this health savings account. Um the credit union buys your first folder or
40 checks. Um after that, if you use all those up, you're kind of on the hook for it. Right now, I think they're running 23 bucks for pack of 40. Um we also have a I think it's two 2.018 annual percentage yield on that. So, you're gaining some interest on that money in
that account. And everything shows up on we have online banking. It'll show up on their mobile app or their online banking. And um then it obviously gives them access to all of our other accounts here that I'm not here to sell you on tonight. So,
>> good. We're not buying. And then obviously we um with one of the few financials around that do print debit cards um regular debit cards and HSA debit cards on site. So if one of theirs would break or they would lose it, they can literally walk in our branch and in about six minutes we can
have one printed for them. >> Okay. So as soon as uh just say for a figure the city throws in 2,000 and uh just say there wasn't any employee contribution that 2,000 would be available to that individual.
>> Yeah. So if you split up the 2,000 between your paychecks, you know, if it comes to $125 each paycheck, as soon as that's deposited in their account, it's available to them. Okay. Yep. So, >> all right.
>> Hey, so the only thing that Well, then like I said, we're going to leave each other later. So, um we move to the HSA insurance then Eminem will contact you or >> um you get um Sue would probably contact
us and what I did offer and we have the capabilities of doing and I know it's just the two of them as of right now. Um, we have the capabilities of actually coming down to your office and getting them signed up so that they don't have to come in or call in and then do the electronic paperwork and whatnot or the
signatures. We got the capabilities of coming down here and opening the account right here on the spot. >> Okay, cool. So, >> customer service. >> Yeah, it's a lot of the things that we're just adding in the last three, four months. I never thought I would see in my lifetime. And it's banking's
changing. So it's Yeah. Everything is >> So is healthcare. >> Not always the best. >> Yeah. >> That's all we've heard for the last six weeks is about healthcare. >> Yeah. >> Can you get this HSA without insurance?
>> No. It has to be with a qualified high deductible plan. >> Okay. >> What is a high deductible nowadays? >> So on this this sheet right here, >> I see that. Yeah. >> Yep. So on the bottom it actually says the qualifying high deductible ones.
It'll give you the >> um for the single coverage in 2026 it's going to be a minimal deductible of 1,700 and a max out of pocket for 8500. >> And then if you do the family one obviously you can see those figures
there. >> All right. Well that explained good enough for everybody. Mhm. And if you got any questions, like I said, you have my far got my office number on there. I don't think they put my cell number on there, but she's been able to track me down
before. So, >> yeah. Good. All right. Very good. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yep. No problem. Thank you guys for the time. >> All righty. Street update, Eli. So, uh, I apologize for the confusion of me not
being here last month. Uh, we all know I'd rather have been here, but do we have Is there any questions held over from that? Okay. >> Brian was pretty thorough. >> Yeah, I I didn't obviously anticipate being gone, but I was glad that I did
leave something up. So, I won't read everything that I typed up this month, but uh, we did get the catch basin. uh studies. Um, and I did just get back at second quote for concrete last week. So, our low quote, which I think was in your
packet, was for three different areas. And I I ideally wanted these kind of split up so we could see what we're paying for, but um he didn't want to do that because he didn't want to try to kind of sever it off and say, "Well, let's just do this third." He wanted
kind of the package. I'm going to be in town. when I want to do all three of these. So, uh the three areas are uh the curb and gutter for the catch basin here. Um and that would be to rewrap that radius and get the proper grading
down to the catch basin at uh H and Willard. And then the other area is for panels that are really just in kind of a grade F condition um along the city park here. um that are maybe a little
>> What's the footage on that? >> The footage on >> on the sidewalk >> up here. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I don't have let's see I don't have those notes with me, but there was I believe five panels and those were like
four and a half by six. So that'd be um and one set off. So it's a little more, but basically it it'd be um 4 and a half by 30 ft of content at the city park here. >> Okay.
>> And again, that's uh kind of big lips where they're heaved from tree roots um from mature trees. So we're hoping that the kind of the roots are stabilized and they're not going to just heave again. Um, and then there's a few where the concrete's degraded and there's almost a
a pothole. Um, so that's by the uh city park there. And then the third spot is uh the block east of the bell tower on the south side of the road. So, it'd be like
that um house next to the post office, but on the north side of that on Main Street. Um I believe there's seven panels. So, that'd be roughly 43 by 6 ft. >> That's the one that butts up the county road >> and that's on the county road. So, that
is eligible for cost share. And I got all that information off to the county. Um they would cover I think my numbers are actually Oh, no, they are right. So they would cover 12250 >> of that 2500 for that area. So basically
it'd be this quote minus 1250 to get all three of the areas done. >> Yeah. >> And again though I mean there's there's panels out all out all over town that we could kind of nitpick and say. Um but these two areas are definitely in the
south. >> Is he going to rod them sidewalks together? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yep. because otherwise you're going to have a trip trip hazard in two years going to misalign. >> Yep. >> So he rods them together. That's a good good deal there. >> So
>> chances are with the weather now it's getting >> he he says he's he says he has time yet. So he said he might have to throw a blanket over him for a week. But um until the ground really freezes up, which I think, you know, this week we're hopefully
>> after today or tomorrow it'll be great again. >> Yeah. Back up. >> Yeah. >> Well, I think there's enough explanation here. We can get this work done, especially down there, >> right? >> And uh it's a good it's a good quote. >> It is. Um I I don't remember I could
pull up the other one, but the other one was over 10 grand. >> Yeah. We're talking about the quote from MK. the MK it's a little confusing again because it's pulling in multiple multiple areas. So there's the the catch
basin project plus this sidewalk repair. >> Okay. >> This was buying three things. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, with that being said, then somebody want to make a motion to approve this uh estimate quote from MK
Concrete to get these areas fixed yet this fall in town. I think the stipulation was is we couldn't start any work from the county, >> right, >> until it gets approved from what I read. >> Yep. So, we we submitted it and I told
them when I called them and had a conversation with them and I said, "Hey, we kind of if we can get this expedited, I know they're trying to get stuff wrapped up, too, but get it expedited so they can give the okay and then we can for sure get that 1250 ring." So the worst it'd be is the 69 if
>> right we >> if they said no we'd be on the hook for their 1250 but >> yeah so I mean >> they I think they want to make sure they're not getting taken advantage of and we're not just saying like hey you know we're spending money on this so I think they want to do their due diligence for you know again we're
paying their taxes to them so they're doing their due diligence but uh I would foresee them um especially with the shape that concrete or that sidewalk's in I would foresee them improving Okay. Somebody want to make a motion then for this with that.
Okay. Keep that in mind that you know if it didn't get approved it cost us 6,900. If it gets approved by the county it'll be$1250 less. Right. >> Correct. >> Yep. Somebody want to make that motion. We'll make a motion to approve the MK
concrete for the three locations. All right. 79 whatever >> 6900 even >> 6900 somebody to second that >> I'll second it in >> favor say I
>> I motion carried >> uh then the other sidewalk maintenance item was doing that safe step and they um they work in a lot of towns uh especially up around the cities but
Amboy is one of their customers and I think they have other stuff down south here. Um, so I know Brian explained it a little bit, but basically any areas where the concrete is heaved, they can come in and they can cut and make that an ADA compliant grade. Um, the other
big benefit to that, um, and and not to beat a dead horse because this is already approved, but uh, there were areas we were catching plow edges on the sidewalk and stuff by the fire station. They'll be in town, um, tomorrow and or Wednesday to do that. Um, I did pick up
six trees. Edenvil uh did a good job of uh giving guidance or suggestions. They also ended up giving us contract pricing. So, I had asked for $1,500 for six trees. Um, knowing that I could work within that, I think the tree price was
like $850 for the six trees. It was a really good deal. >> Nice. >> Yeah, I guess so. Should have bought more. So if just going forward if we want more I just I'm going to need help with like where do we want to put them because I don't want to put a tree somewhere and somebody else say hey why do we do it
here right so I'm I'm more than happy to plant more trees I enjoy enjoy doing it but uh yeah just so we can get them in places that make sense with to everyone uh with uh Kellen did some more work down
at the archery range uh I helped helped him out with setting some posts and stuff. Um, he did get kind of a block shooting lane laid. Um, and we got that packed in. It looks pretty nice. If you guys have time, go down and check it out. Um,
we did have, this is getting into Brian's water stuff, but he's not here, so I'll cover it for him, I guess, this time around. Uh we did have two separate uh events where our high service pump, which is the pump that filled our water tower, uh had faults. Um the first was a
simple reset button and it took off again. The second was we weren't getting power somewhere where we should have had power and before we were able to figure that out, like you know, you've probably seen before, all of a sudden everything lit up and it started going again. Um, we did get Ab Luke Cran stop by and he
looked and he found a few areas where he was able to tighten things up. Potentially the issue. Um, we're just kind of watching that. Uh, I did water manes. I flushed those uh last week. Got most of the leaves picked up. Uh, the
pond chemical building um just kind of keeps chugging along. So, we're waiting for a few pieces of trim and a door. Uh Brian got the discharge done. Um I believe that was shut off today and then we'll uh learn the transfer over. So we
got I picked up a little bench and we'll get the pumps rigged up to do the chemical injection for the phosphorus. While they were working on that and I wasn't pleasing they did work on the fence a little more wise. IH truck is back on the road and
running well. Uh there's a small leak and the sander rake control. Um I still intend to address here hopefully before the snow flies or more snow flies I should say. Uh the pelican sweeper I was hoping to make it on the broom cores
that I had and then just kind of do a big project all at once, but that that was wore off to the point where I was I wasn't hardly picking up leaves anymore. uh Zarnoth uh Brush Works dropped off a new broom core and I got that swapped
out and that does uh much better job. Um and then that bucket and adapter for sifting through compost and loading concrete for the deer tractor uh finally showed up. That bucket was a long wait, but we did get that um hoping to get
concrete at least most of it loaded out and then uh we got that tire quote approved through Bower Built. So that'll be um I'm hoping not to load concrete with the new tires. >> Yeah.
With that being said, about that concrete, I mean, I've had a few people ask, you know, are we going to do away with that or if they take out say the from here to sue a sidewalk, their
private sidewalk, and it's in small chunks, are we going to allow people to make their properties look better and us provide a place to get rid of that cement just like we do the leaves? You know, they're all leaves down there. We're we're going to take care of all
that. We take care of all the brush. I mean, there's one house that they took the front step out. Now it's around on the other side of the house. So, if they would have had a place close, would they have took it and been done? And this is not for any demo work, but just small
small little jobs. I mean, is this something we want to provide as a city? I mean, it would seem like common sense, but >> I mean, it got abused once this summer, but that would be the first time it's really ever gotten abused. >> Uh,
is >> at least twice. >> Was it Wasn't there recently some big dumping of concrete down there? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, that was a whole Yeah. floor. I'm just talking, you know, small little jobs where you might have three little wheelbarls full or stuff like
that. I mean, if we had the dirt all cleaned up and we had just a specific little concrete pile, the city be >> I I could see the city saying if they're doing the boulevard sidewalk, but if if it's on their property side, it' be a
different story. >> Yeah. But then you they're trying to make it look better for the city also. So, you know, can the city do that part to allow that stuff to be put down there or if they have a project We need to know how much.
>> Yeah. >> Allow it, but we need to know how much. >> Who's going to police it? >> Yeah. >> If they ask, >> you put one down there, you're going to have dump trucks down there. >> If they ask, I have a >> Well, they don't want you. >> Yeah. Then they'll say, "Well, you said a little bit." Well, what's a little
bit? >> Well, like I say, three truckload. >> Then you've got somebody that brings a truckload down there and nobody knows whose it is because there's no cameras there. Now, the city's on the hook for that. Well, because somebody else dumped it there, so I can dump my four feet. >> Yeah, I know that. >> You know, you go down a rabbit hole.
>> I'd agree with that. >> Yeah, >> but we kind of had that there for ever, >> you know, and >> but my like my understanding was it wasn't ever officially anybody could dump there. But there >> city was using it,
>> right? It was for city stuff was my the explanation given to me. Now, if if we want to change if you guys want to change that, that's a council decision um to be made and I I'll take my guidance from whatever that decision is, but um >> there's still a lot of an awful lot of
concrete down there, isn't there? >> There's a lot of concrete down there. Yeah. And and I don't know how much of it was the cities or how much of it just kind of collected over the years, but I mean it's it's not going to be a a half a day job to get there's >> bricks down. >> No. And it hasn't been cleaned up for
I'd say >> I don't know if it's ever been cleaned up since it originally started 8 10 12 years ago. >> Right. And WW even when they were in town motor down and they took quite a I think they took two big tandem dump truck loads down but they said yeah it's kind of
>> that that's the other problem is you don't always get good clean concrete and that's what these guys want who are crushing it. They don't you know one one day I >> like no rebar no >> rebar. It depends on who it is. Rebar is a bigger deal to some people than others. Uh if we're taking it to Cory,
he's he's not set up to handle the rebar. >> Um but one day I caught somebody down there and it was like shower tile and insulation and stuff. And then I'm like, where's this where's this even coming from? And it wasn't even the guy didn't even live in city limits. And I said, hey,
>> buzz off. Like you know, he did he loaded back up and he took it out. But that's >> you know, where do you where do you draw the line on that? And how do you police it effectively or how do you make it fair where it's available to everyone? >> That's happened with the brush pile.
There's brush that's come in from out of count. >> Oh yeah. >> Down there. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> it was just an idea, you know, to provide a place for somebody to get rid of some. >> It's a good idea if everybody had common sense. >> Common sense is the tough part. I guess
you >> we were talking about putting signs down there. or is that something that's >> So there is small no dumping signs there now just because it was getting ridicul I'm just saying if we went to having some type of a service we'd have to have
something down there saying that there's no dumping here without prior authorization >> there'd have to be like a permit process almost and then we'd have to set a my idea again it's it's up to yeah there'd have to be a cost per
unit that we assigned to it so that people could pay because it it's it's going to cost us to get rid of what's down there. But >> yeah, >> it'll be your time and the running of the equipment is what our costs will be >> for sure. Yeah.
>> Well, it's almost winter. We won't have to worry about >> most people they have their concrete done and they figure that in the bill anyway disposal of it. >> Yeah. >> And that's that's whenever anybody asks me I always tell them like fories will take it. Um
the Irvine pit you can get permission to dump out there as well. So um otherwise I think uh there's two pits in Mano that'll take it. That was just a suggestion. >> It's good to know that you know and it'd be good to you to know that I guess too.
If somebody did call, you could direct them to I mean they're going to load it up and take it down there to dump it. They could take it to Irvine's pit or, you know, for pit. They're the two closest. >> And for for Irvine's pit, I you do need permission. I would imagine for east,
too. So, yeah. All right. Anything else on Eli? >> I do not have anything else. >> Uh, street lights. >> Christmas lights. >> Oh, yep. >> Was that a trick question you were setting me up for? Yeah. Uh, are we all right having and I talked to Luke. I did
get a number. I don't remember what he uh what I heard he >> was 100 bucks last year to take him down. I think it was 100 bucks up. >> Yeah. 100 or 200. >> Yeah, something to that effect. >> Yeah. I had asked him just to make sure because he's got staffing problems too or staffing uh yeah concerns, but he
said he'd be down to do it. So yeah, probably. Do we want him up before Thanksgiving if possible? >> Like last year we put him up like the first week of December, didn't we? >> I don't remember. Whenever he can get him fit in probably is where But we had
it was um Ryan's one that put him up last year, right? Cuz Race had already left. No, they took them. We had Luke take them down. Um Brian and Ray and Kellen put them up last year. >> Oh, okay. All right. Ellen put them up last year. >> Yeah. I like I like the Luke's electric.
>> Yeah. They've got the equipment and it's a lot safer. >> Yeah. Or 150, whatever. >> Yeah. That just come out of parks anyway, >> right? >> Probably. >> Streets. >> Streets. >> All right. Does anybody have a
water wastewater update from Brian? Do you have anything there? Eli or >> just that? Yeah, he finished up discharge. Um we'll be doing the transfer and that uh chemical buildings waiting for doors and >> all right.
And the next thing is ship something about the one of the doors. Yeah, I talked to him Sunday telling me about it. >> Down to clerk treasure update. >> So, we had some more information on the
Minnesota family paid leave um that is going to be taking effect January 1st. In your packets, there was the overview on it. Um and the tenative policy update that I got from COG. Um so basically it's a it's a kind of a
cost share between the the employee and the employer because we are a small business so to speak we have less than 30 employees we only we will have to pay 66% of the yearly income or the yearly gross wages.
And when I figured it out it seemed to be less than $300 a year for the employees portion. Um, and I know council had first suggested paying 100% of it. Um, after talking with Burkhart and with COG, I'm asking council to just
pay the 50%. So, out of the 66%, the city would pay the 33 and the employees would pay.33%. It's just you cleaner for bookkeeping and it's just >> Yeah, >> they suggest it be cleaner that way. >> It'd be cleaner that way. Otherwise, if the city pays it, then it's considered
income and it goes on the W2 is taxed >> and a benefit. >> Correct. >> Yep. >> All right. >> And it's not a very Yeah. >> So, if we pay half and we pay half, it doesn't go on there. >> Correct. This will be a pre-tax if I'm not
mistaken. I think I'm pretty sure it's a pre-tax >> and that goes into effect January 1st. Yep. So you would want a motion on that then that uh cost share 50%. >> Yeah. And we also would need a motion to approve
the um policy, right? >> The pro policy. >> Yes. But to approve the paid leave portion of it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So I need a motion to do that as well. >> May want to make those two motions.
one that would uh be cost half and half a.33 employee and the city of Good Thunder and for the policy we put it under one or you want to >> put under one >> yes I'll make that
we approve the Minnesota as stated with share between the employee and the city I'll second that motion all in favor say I I list or couple. Motion carried.
>> Then I don't know if we set the uh TNT >> if we already you guys already did. I don't remember. Just kind of a reminder. It will be December 8th. >> Yeah. >> At 7 o'clock for the beginning of our meeting. >> That's the TNT again. >> Truth and taxation. >> Okay. Yep. >> And that's when they approve the final
levy. And we did end up zero, right? >> Correct. >> For the third year in running >> since I've been here. >> So I don't know what you did before. >> Well, we we can >> curious to see what's going to come on that line item to the city of good
center again when we get our tax statement. >> That's what I was going to say. >> We say zero, but the county there. When that happens, we need to invite our commissioner here to explain to us why they put a dollar amount on our line
item when we're all frugal taking care of business and putting zip. >> I think we need to make that a special meeting. Our county commissioner will talk a long time. >> We could definitely I could definitely ask him to. >> Yeah, I would like to know. >> December 8th meeting.
>> No, I think we'd have to wait till first year when they come. I would. Yeah. >> Whenever that tax statement comes out or whatever. Yeah. >> Because >> that'll be >> we're doing our due diligence taking care of business and they keep putting
money in our line item and we should be and I don't know how they can do that. >> Be a good explanation for our city people because we didn't have a good explanation the last time it was asked.
>> No. All right. You did. did say the other night that they're going with the bridge over on nine too. So >> they are going to >> Y >> they better they need to get going on that. Oh really? >> He said it's all all the engineering and I asked him I
said so is that what are they going to do with the dam? And he says they're engineering it so they don't have what they do there anymore. >> You wouldn't have to engineer to put it right back where it was. >> Yeah. >> I mean really you could have poured cement under the piling. fine,
>> whatever. >> Or get a governor to put the money in that they already allocated for the project. >> All right. So, suppose November 26 to December 1st. >> Yes, that's over Thanksgiving. >> Wednesday to the following Monday, I'll be off.
>> All right. >> All righty. Anything else, Sh? >> No. >> All right. Unfinished business, personnel policy updates and changes. >> Yeah. So, um, Jim and I met last week. Um, we went through the pretty much the
whole whole thing and we do are proposing some changes. There were a couple typos out gave those due to um, one is under job descriptions. Um
that's the the main category is employee employment guidelines is to add a blurb about annual reviews that um this is just kind of a quick synopsis. Each full-time employee will have an annual performance review completed in April of
each year. Reviews will be prepared and uh discussed with the employee um by the uh personnel committee. The review will be used to justify any salary benefit increases and to review important performance.
>> Would you ever meet with uh employees once a quarter just to see how the job is going and if there's any issues with their job? >> I think we're small enough where if there's issues they can come to us any time without having to just actual time.
>> An employee and the the employee or the personnel committee could actually do that as well. I mean, you could put something in there or as needed. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> Um >> that I'm not going to >> That's why we And then under
compensation and benefits, um we're going to remove the blurb that talks about life and disability insurance because we the city does not offer it and it's not a anything that we can add through Eminem insurance. There's nothing that's available for us to add,
but we are going to have to add um health savings account. >> Yeah, health savings account. And then um I think I don't remember um and then also blur on comp time because we're going to do
uh both Sue and Eli have brought up that they would be open instead of us paying them overtime in dollars but pay them overtime in comp time. more time off, more time, PTO, however you want to call it.
>> Yeah. >> Um um the cap >> well with Sue there's there's going to be no real worry. It though where we could run into problems is with Eli once we get in if we get a heavy snow year
where he's working every weekend or you know a lot at night. But >> cuz this is the way it was set up 30 some years ago and there was comp time >> forever. So you know
>> time forever a year off >> you could put a cap on it or you could also and I talked to the personal committee. You could also they're allowed to carry over so much >> Yeah, that's right. that February or whatever. Anything over
>> hours >> paid out. >> Yeah. They have to be a payout. >> Yeah. >> And then that would just be regular wages, you know. >> Right. >> Yeah. Because you'd want to have a cap on it or you'd want to have a limit on it because >> we were down there. If Tom Frederick was
here, you he could tell you what kind >> come time there was. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um and another change over one on >> proposing in in the uh paid time off PTO um portion of the uh there's a
contradiction where one paragraph says that um PTO can be paid for any reason after 6 months probationary period. And then the next one under the administration of PTO new employ new new full-times employees cannot use PTO until they have
successfully completed completed three months. >> So we're suggesting that we change them both to read three months. >> Yeah. >> So um I think this >> you got a lot of notes here John. You I
did you guys dissected that. And then uh the only other one day was under separation was uh we haven't that that an employee has to um give a 30-day notice in order to receive PTO.
My feeling is it should be the normal standard 14 days or two weeks notice >> just every every business that is the customary norm and to go beyond that I think >> that means to uh leave employment. Yes. Okay.
>> Yeah. Just a standard twoe notice and then if they don't if say they do like a heather low then there's no PTO pay. So >> because didn't we just run into that problem where >> No, that was an agree. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
>> It is the same thing you're talking about though. I think >> I think there was a little issue at paying the last employee out. >> Yeah. >> Yes. And we didn't. So >> Okay. So now it's down. It's etched in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We got rid of the gray area. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Try to make it the same. >> Yeah. And then the only other things that we'll need to add then are going to be the um uh we need to add a blur on FMLA because we don't have anything in family medical
leave uh which has been around for a long time and that's just like best example is say uh somebody has a new baby and they want to take time off. It's not paid under FMLA, but your your position in it's basically an extended
unpaid vacation, but now with the Minnesota paid leave, that could be used in conjunction with an FMLA, right? Am I >> correct? It's kind of they kind of run the same. The only difference is the paid family leave is what it says paid. FMLA was unpaid, right? But you still
came back at your same pay, your same position, >> everything, right? But do you have to get an amount in there? Say uh they're going to have somebody's going to have a baby and you just started this in January. There's no money in there. >> Under FMLA, there's there's no
reimbursement to the employee. Okay. >> It's just it's time off. Unpaid time off. >> Is that bad? >> But now under >> denial Minnesota leave one. Now, this is going to be interesting to watch how this firms the state of Minnesota may approve Minnesota leave, paid leave. So,
and it's not it's going to have to basically have to put an application that Sue is going to have to forward to somewhere in the state and they will say yay or nay if they're going to get paid. So, >> yeah, because this 33 and or this 66 goes to the state, right? >> Yes.
>> Yes. Yes. into one big bucket. And it doesn't matter if you've only paid in 20 bucks or not. If you're Eli goes out >> middle of January for six weeks, he's going to get that if he qualifies for it
and is approved, he'll get that benefit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's going to be interesting to watch that. But yeah, it's basically a premium that we'll be splitting with the employee that will go to the state. And chances are it's going to go up next year because I think it's >> starts with June I think is when they
review it to change it for the following year. >> So yeah, it's probably going to increase. >> Yeah. one of those things that >> you can't have it's it's like an insurance you you have a board
>> if all public employees are in in there and they all take 30 days off and you got 15,000 of them there's not enough money to finance that right >> so >> everybody >> Yeah. So that's
>> So should we have a app a pro a motion to approve those changes or do we want to wait until we actually >> let's wait until we have it in hand? >> Okay. >> And then everybody can review it. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So the health dental insurance under new
business is that part of the HSA because it says dental in that. >> Nope. >> Can be used for I mean >> right. Yeah. HSA can be pay used to pay for dental bills. >> Any type of medical >> can be HSAs can be used for
prescriptions, dental, >> medical bills, >> bill, >> bandaids, aspirin, >> vision. >> Yep. Vision surgery. Thought you said you retired. >> And once you retire, you can pay your Medicare premiums with them. Correct. >> If you have money in there.
>> If you have money in there. So with this one here, the health and dental insurance. >> So as John had said earlier, we were told um Eli and I had approached the personnel committee and asked about different insurance if there's the option. Um I contacted Eminem, did a
bunch of reviewing and we proposed one to the personnel committee. It's a $6,400 deductible. Um, and it's actually cheaper than the one that we were going to go because I think our insurance was going to go up $200, $200, $300, something like that >> per month. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. The current one was going up from 1765 to 2024. So that's a little over >> almost 400 bucks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And so the new plan that we proposed to the personnel committee is going to be $21748
a month and that's considered an high deductible. So, we qualify for the HSA. >> And numbers wise, overall, it's not much different, right? As far as deductible and stuff, there's different co insurance and then there's different uh
we got rid of co-pays, right? >> Right. Because there was a co- insurance after the $3,400 deductible. Now, we don't have that. It's just a straight $6,400 deduct is what it is. >> And it's just single coverage, right? >> Correct. >> Yeah. Y um the the other was the vision
is staying the same, the dollar amount is staying the same. Um the dental insurance we looked at and um we would like to move it up to the the Blue Cross Blue Shield freedom for the dental, which means it gives us a
$1,500 max out of our or max benefit for the dentist and we can go anywhere. It doesn't matter if there's no in network, out of network. It's just you can go anywhere you want. So for those who have had the same dentist for years, we can stay with our dentist. >> And that one's actually cheaper than the
current two, right? Or for the next >> Well, no, it's >> $8. >> $8 more. >> What we have currently is $41.90. >> Oh, I read them wrong. >> 740 4950. It'll be the new one
>> if council is approved. But we do have to know by mid December so we can let Eminem know and get the insuranceances ready to go for the first of the year. >> Input from the personnel committee. Go forward. >> I I I'm perfectly fine with it. Jim and
I talked about it was >> we've talked about it went through it. We're kind of looking at uh again as options of being where they're at in the pay scale for an hourly wage for their job. we're going to be limited to what we can continue to give. Yeah.
>> So, this is just a a small token or a little bump to which they both acknowledge, you know, as it's a benefit. It's a perk. It's to be helpful and uh keep the happy employee.
>> Yeah. >> With that being said, then somebody want to make that a motion? >> I'll make that a motion. So the second all in favor say I. >> I opposed already. Miscellaneous business. Anybody with
miscellaneous? Anybody? Nothing. Good. That's what somebody make a motion to adjurnn. >> Make a motion to adjourn. >> Second. I'll second it. All in favor? I oppos motion carried. Thanks everybody.