All right. Good evening everybody. We'll get call the meeting to order for July 23rd, 2025. Please stand and remove cap for pledge of allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we'll uh approve or amend the agenda. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda.
I'll second. All in favor? Opposed? Approved. All right. Uh request uh minutes from July 9th, 2025 city council work session.
I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. Second. All in favor? Opposed? Motion approved. Uh, okay. Motion to pay the bills.
I'll make a motion to pay the bills. I'll second. All in favor? Opposed? Motion approved. I just one thing just in case we have to cut shorts.
So that's why we moved it up instead of at the end of the meeting. It's up. So just changes. Perfect. Uh consent agenda. I don't got nothing. Okay. Um all business
something. All righty. We'll start with new business and we'll start with restate a joint powers agreement of the Goodwill Community Fire Truck Association. So, um hopefully we'll have time to read it in our packets. Um
Bob had a lot of comments and edits to the agenda. Um, I guess the issue I have with some and a lot of
the edits is I'm not sure how the other townships are going to feel about the edits. Um, understandably looking at it, it was a lot of small edits. Um some of the edits that were
made um I felt were confusing and changed what the um conveyance of certain aspects were
inside of this um document. So, um, not to say that all comments were, but some were. I thought, um, and I really think
we we need we need to get something going here. Um, the issue is is is can only do this every five years and we're on year five to do it. So, this is the year we have to get it done. Um,
we're not trying to do this and put pressure on anyone. The only problem is is if we don't get anything done here, we a have to wait 5 years for our current contract we're running on powers and we're going to
have a lot of pissed-off townships. I mean, there's no easy way to say it. Every township in this joint powers agreement is going to be mad. So, not to mention
if majority or five 5/8s of the townships in the current agreement vote to enact this new one. We got to follow suit because that's what's required to enact this is 58. So, we might as well
get on board now and save face. We're not We're not here to do anything but to do what's best for the community and do what's best for our residents in Vivian. And that's what
this joint powers. No one no one in this agreement's getting a better shake than another person. Um, so what I would like to see tonight is to join make a um
a resolution to join the um or pass the joint powers agreement and then we can work on getting this document figured out. But we need to get the ball rolling to become part of the joint powers agreement. So I have a question. Um on your on the
meeting that you invited me to. So you guys had on Monday on that meeting out of all of these members. Mhm. How many of them have read this? All of them. Okay. So they all had
this in front of them and were able to read some of the concerns that Bob had? No. Um there was only I and Rich Majura had this in front of us. Um we couldn't get this in a printable document.
Um when you tried to print it, it showed up to be a quarter page. So we because this was tied into our city packet, I couldn't pull this document out. I would have to email them my whole city packet, which I wasn't going to do.
Um, so my only option was to email this to Rich and see if I think it was him and his daughter were working on trying to figure out how to get this to be a full page or at least a page they could read, but they couldn't. All they could get was this tiny print in the corner of a
page. So, no. Um, but all the other townships received the unedited version that Bob received and you guys have received before, they were all on board to sign it. They were all ready to sign it. So again, that's where I bring back
if they vote 58 to join the agreement per our contract we're running on now, we have to join. All right. So, go ahead. Council, can I just comment? Go ahead. Is that all right?
Yep. Okay. Uh so two two things that council member said there that I don't agree with. Uh first is that um the committee I think is what it's called under the
current joint powers agreement that there is a committee that can vote to bind the city of good to a new agreement. No, that's not that is wrong. Correct. Okay. What are you saying? There's a committee. There's a there is
a committee that created the new document. That committee sent it out to all townships that are in this joint powers agreement. All townships of the joint powers agreement have verbally stated that they will sign this. And it is not
the committee of editing this that said or has the power to make good you join it. It is the whole firet truck association as voting members that can at a 5/8 vote
make the city of good you join it. Yeah, there's no provision in the current agreement that says that. That's not correct. Well, I can tell you myself and five other members in this room will tell you the exact opposite. Well, telling us is one thing, but
seeing it is Can I can I can I just finish saying what I'm gonna say? It's fine, council member, if you disagree with me. I totally get you disagree with me, but let me just finish my my thought and then say why you disagree. It it is not
correct under any joint powers agreement that um a member of city to a joint powers agreement can be committed to changing its financial contribution by a vote of a body other than the city
council. So the city of goodws contribution for what I understand I mean currently I understand the position of everyone is that good hue isn't obligated at all to pay for maintenance costs and understandably the members
don't think that's fair. I totally understand that. I mean that that doesn't frankly I mean I'm not going to tell you what I think but I mean the members don't think that's fair. So that's the interpretation of the current agreement. Uh it it is not the case that
the other members of this joint powers can commit the city of good you to paying more which is more than zero without a good city council. Goodw gets to decide what good you is a
great and my job is to represent good. My job is not to represent all the other communities here. I mean, with all due respect, that's I think obvious, right? So, I I'm coming at this from the perspective of the city of Good. It
doesn't I understand that the the the fire association, not a committee of it, the full fire association board may vote to approve this agreement. That does not bind the city of good unless the city of good agrees to it.
So I I'm simply raising concerns about the agreement from the perspective of the city of Goodie and I think my comments beh you you council members decide as a fair allocation of resources is fine. I I
have no opinion whatsoever about that. I I do not care about that. That's your decision to make. I just want the agreement to actually say what all the parties are agreeing to and it does not do that now. It I mean it just doesn't do that now. And and I think my comments
make that clear. I mean to to be most clear about I mean there are lots of ways that it doesn't but the allocation provision the the the division of who's going to pay what provision isn't a formula. There is not a formula
there for dividing up who pays what. And I understand the intent here is to have a formula, which is totally sensible. That's what most joint powers agreements do. And and so I'm, you know, as a lawyer for government general, I think
that's fine, but you have to have a provision that actually says what the formula is. And there isn't one right now. So So I want to But respectfully, council member, you're entitled to disagree with
me. Obviously, and ultimately your vote matters. Mine doesn't. But I'm just telling you that it it is not correct that the vote of some other organization can bind good to some new deal. That's not true. I mean, take into its logical
extension that deal would mean the fire association would say good is now going to pay 100% of everything. And even though Good Hugh Council doesn't vote for that, enough of us are voting for that to make that happen. That's not
correct. That can't happen. And it can't happen that Good Hugh is obligated to pay 24%, which is what the current agreement says without Good Hugh Council's approval. So, I just want to get to where everyone in the room, I take it there are folks from other communities that are involved in this.
Uh I just want to get to an agreement where everyone knows what the deal is. I don't care what the deal is. It's up to you as the city council to decide what the deal is. I just want the document to reflect what the deal is. So, I'll stop. Go ahead, Lisa. You were going to say
something. Oh, I was just going to say that I sent the version that Michael asked me on Friday. So, you had it on Friday. if I could speak on this. Yep. Okay. But we Okay, hold on. Hold on a second. So,
what we need is is we needed you to go ahead and get on the agenda and you know, we did not do that um to give you that time. This is on the agenda though, the joint powers be able to speak though. Okay. So, we'll give it that we want to run
the this the proper way. Okay. So, we'll give you the five minutes. Do you have the clock? Yeah, we we'll give you the five minutes. Okay. Go ahead. And we need you to step up there, please.
We need him to talk on this for clarification. Yep. Well, that's what I thought you were going to do. And Okay. And that's what I thought you were going to do on Monday. The need for a new agreement came about because the 95 agreement was out of
date. Since that time, good use population has doubled. The townships have faithfully and the city of Belchester have faithfully paid in to keep the fire department and the rescue squad going for all these years.
now decided in February that the city of Goodyu needed to step up to the plate. Since February 28th, the fire association committee appointed by the association. We've had several meetings. Don't even want to come.
We came up with a document here that we felt we were comfortable with. Your attorney looked it over, gave us all these comments on it. Some legit, some just his own personal feeling. Not what we wanted. None of the none did I see in
there where he said we were illegal with anything. We have a meeting August 11th with the full board. Our expectations are that the city of Ku will look over this document
and figure out what's good or bad within a couple of days. we can meet again on Monday with anybody in the group, call a special meeting and hammer this thing out in a half an hour. So come the August 11th meeting,
we can sit down and bring good you in as a full-fledged member of the Goodyu Fire Truck Association. There's like three steps that got to go through to get it done, but they can all happen on the same night. There's been too much
controversy with this. We have the volunteer fire department, volunteer fire boys not happy. We have how many members of the truck association not happy. And that only goes to undermine
the fire department in this community and our our community, the community at large. We're not asking for anything out of whack. I don't know what else to say. This is about safety in this community
and that the long and the short of it. I I don't know what else to tell you. Our expectations are not out of line. So whatever whatever you do, but I'm telling firsthand August 11th is the due
date. We need this agreement done. We need good community to be on board with the rest of us and pay their fair share based on what everybody else is paying. We're not asking for anything more out of the community than we are are out of
any of the other townships of the city of El. Any questions? I can answer them. Yeah, I have a question. So, can you share with me what some of how what your position is on some of these things that you have seen Bob have a concern with
for the city it itself? Bob mentioned that he didn't like it that we could fire the fire chief, but we weren't hiring him. Too bad. That's what our committee is presenting to our group. We're going to let them, the
volunteers, hire, but we're going to take the position we can fire if things go bad. He simply didn't have enough of a formula. 50% of the levy is paid by population. 50% of the levy is paid by
building values. That's a formula for us. He was concerned that we didn't say where we're getting this information. The county assessor's office, the state demographer. Not a not a problem there. He wanted us to have a majority vote on things. We
said, "No, we've been voting on three-fifths for all these years. We know that's what we can present to the townships with no problem." Three fifths or 58? No, threeth I was wrong. Okay. The difference majority is 50%,
three-fifths is 60%. But that's what our committee is comfortable with presenting to the township. And we have three township people, three, four township people. This is we know our townships. we know what what they will accept and won't accept. Um he made one point where
where we had our indemnification. That's the right way to say it. We kind of have it spread out through the document. He thought we should bring it into one. Not a problem. That that has nothing to do with it. You know, as far as you know, we can bring it into one
and make it a cleaner document. That's fine. Um, so nothing that was was major, but a lot of it was Bob's opinion as your attorney, but we were doing
nothing illegal. Not that he told us anyway or not that he made comment on the document. Okay. Go ahead. I Well, the thing went off. Oh, okay. Thank you, Rich.
Yeah. I'm sorry. My fault. So this I just got a question. The example down here on this part here. Yes. Are those the actual numbers for the new one? And our current one is what was it? 24%.
Yeah. 23.5 of just the limited of what you were paying for, right? 22 and a half, right? For maintenance of the building.
So some years it was a couple thousand. Year like this year we paid 24,000 because they put a new roof on. If we didn't do much building maintenance, we didn't pay much. If there was a lot of building maintenance, we paid more. If we brought on firefighters, we paid for
training. If we didn't pay bring on firefighters, we didn't pay for training. I don't have a historical account of what we paid for the last 10 years. But if you average it out, good has been paying a shortfall compared to the rest of the communities. And all they're
asking is for good you to pay a fair portion, which we've outlined in this document. If I may, Good has not been a voting member. The city of Good has not been a voting member on the fire truck association. I've been the vice chair for over 20
years and they've never and we're trying to bring them up. Okay, become a pro voting member and uh help us with this here. So, we've been that's what we've been working on. Henry and I came to the city council three
four years back. could be somewhere's in your minutes when we came and asked for the same thing, but it didn't go anywhere. But it's this document's 30 years old. This this original one, it's two pages long. We're trying to make it better.
And I think so I agree with that. Um I mean I I agree with everything that the first speaker said about her. Um uh I haven't said anything here is illegal, like it's criminal or something. No, of course that's that's not the case. I I don't I I've heard now several people
they'll say for example that uh the request here is that the city of good you contribute and then become a full member. There is nothing in the current agreement that says that good can't be a voting member. The city isn't the city good is a voting member. Now maybe the
city good has not sent someone to vote. I don't know why that would be the case, but there is no the city is a full member currently and has the right to vote. So, I mean, that's incorrect to say that the city isn't a voting member.
Um, as to the formula, which is I mean, let's cut to the chase here, right? I mean, I've made a bunch of comments that are lawyer comments, and I totally get why people would roll their eyes at comments about rewarding things, and I understand all that. I think the agreement should be written, right? But I understand why people would roll their
eyes at that. But the the funding part, section six, and that's the money. That's what everybody's going to pay. And I'm sorry I don't know your name, sir, that you got up and spoke to lectur, but there is nothing in here that says what you just said. It doesn't say that it's 50% based on building
value, 50% based on population served. That's not in the agreement. That's not in the proposed agreement. And that makes sense. Let's write that in. That's what you want. But this is your document, not mine. Uh and and if and if the goal is that um that's going to be
changed periodically or that's going to be based on a demographer's numbers, not the census, that needs to be written in here, too. And then finally, somebody said, "What about the formula that's written into the agreement?" That's just an example supposedly what the agreement says. That's an example of how this formula is
supposed to work. I have no idea what these numbers are against them, you know. So it says city of good 23.5% 41,000. I have no idea what that's based on. I have no idea what uh you can't tell from the agreement what building value for good that's based on or what
population for good that's based on or what levy is the way the ter the term is used in this agreement. It's not the right term but I I don't know how this these numbers have been dived. And it seems to me that fundamentally the city of good hue council should be most
concerned about what are we going to have to pay under this agreement. And I'm just telling you as your lawyer it's completely unclear what you're going to have to pay under this agreement. So it needs to be corrected. I didn't draft the agreement so I can't fix it. I don't know how to fix it. I didn't draft it.
So, I'm asking the folks in the room who have said August 11th is the deadline to go ahead and present something to us that says what you all intend. I don't know what you intend. So, present something in writing that says all those
things you just said in the lecture. Bob section section six paragraph one uh last line states that um the share allocated each member to each member shall be based upon the following
formula building value plus population served equals total value that's a nonsensical Building value being what? The building value is city
as determined by the county assessor. I don't I don't know population served. I take it that means the full population of good you in this case. Um uh so how do you add let's say good's building value is 10 hundred million I don't know
what the number is and the population is a thousand. What is that? I don't know what that equals. So that's $und00 million plus a thousand people. This is not a formula. It's not a formula that anyone can interpret. So I'm not arguing with you, council
member, a formula is a good idea. And using building value and population makes sense, but the words here don't provide a formula. It doesn't say 50% based on building value. It doesn't say 50% based on population. It doesn't say where those numbers are going to come
from. It's not a form. Okay. So, if there was a Okay. So, what did you say? It was 50% of the building. 50% for the buildings. 50% of the population. The building value coming from where?
The new county assessor's office. Okay. And then the population serve coming from where state demographer or the or GIS out of county either one of them they have the same information because they
can supply that have did supply that information for this and that formula once the formula so say the building value just for the sake of math say the building value is a dollar and the
population is based on 1900 people today. But what if in where where does it account for if there's an increase or is that formula static? Every five years. So every five years every five years or as anything as the
truck association full board would look at and say hey because of this issue we need to relook at those values. Okay. So if we put the percentages in Bob would that does it I mean to me
that's a formula based on if you use the percentages right and the source percentage of the source yes it said 50% of building value plus 50% of the population equals total value
total value of what I I'm not I'm not being I'm not being I'm not being a jerk I'm not trying to to be a little that's trying to blow things up I want disagreement to happen. I don't I honestly don't understand. You have eight member communities here. They all
have different populations. They all have different building values. So, how is this formula going to work? Each community is going to have a certain population value or a certain building value. I guess now it's going
to be determined by the county. I don't what is the I don't understand how the mask can work. I don't understand how you actually produce a number for each community. I mean maybe somebody in the room who's done this how just explain how good you in the table below came up at
23.5%. What were the 23.5% that we just for the new one it's a No, I mean of what they're saying 50% of the building.
Do we have an example? Yeah, given to me all the buildings. So throw me a number to do the math in my head. Your share population is 1200. Yep. Whatever population is if that's 20% and
whatever their value is what I remember hearing that number. So it's the building value of all buildings within our association district. It's a total population total
building value plus all the you separate out whose portions are what and that's where your percentage comes. So it's everybody's together and then your population will give you your percentage. That's a standard procedure.
Oh, hold on. Hold on. I'm getting I'm getting the point, I guess, then. So, it would be the county's assessed value for all of the structures in all of the participating communities added together.
Yes, that would be the total building value for the entire area served. And then good hughes percentage of that piece of this formula would be its percentage building value of that total number. Yes. Right. That's I think that's what
everyone is saying. So I have no idea what the building values of the other communities here are. But let's say that uses 25% of the total number of communities. So that that piece of the equation is 50% of the approach. Then the other 50% I've been told is the
population. There is then I guess what a total population calculation for all of the communities and then good use percentage of that total is the other 50% of its calculation. Yes.
And then then that produces a total percentage for good you and for all of the member communities. Yes. Okay. That's a complicated formula but it certainly can be done. that can be done but it is not done here. I mean
there no one could read this and possibly know that that's what is intended and I don't know how to write that. I mean I've never written that formula before. That's a math formula. Um but that makes sense. That's fine. What what's being presented there is
fine. That can be done. I don't actually know how to do it but that can be done. But this doesn't say that at all. So my point is that the agreement should say that My comment is no problem. We can figure it out.
Yeah, we can modify that section and explain how it works. Kind of like what he just said. Y I don't think the old contract what Well, I think in the old one I I think here's what happened. I think
somebody came up with 22.5 and then took the rest took 100 minus 22.5 which is 77.5 and then just allocated it maybe
from my perspective the old agreement is more ambiguous than what we're talking by far. Yeah. I guess my question is are there any issues here that that somebody feels
that could fire truck association is taking advantage of could you that they're not you know just we're we're just we're getting a lot of uh problems here
that we need to resolve and move ahead. Um, I'm going to throw this out as as an idea. Mike has got an updated one that I gave him last night after I went through and made a few of the changes that that your attorney brought up. Get it shipped to your attorney tomorrow
morning. Let them look it over, get back at least to me so I can get it to the committee by Friday afternoon. We'll rework it. We can meet Monday morning with Lisa and anybody else between the council and the and the committee Monday
morning. We can hammer it out. We can have a document. We can get the fire committee to agree with it. You can call a special meeting between now and August 11th and we can get this thing approved and we can deal with the three steps needed for good you
to become a full-fledged member of the Goodyu Fire Truck Association on August 11th. It's important that it gets done. It's important that we go to our August 11th meeting and that we take care of the fears and anxiety of the townships that
they feel they're being respected and treated for the time and money and effort they've put in over the last 50 60 70 years. That's that's all they're looking for. Would it be approved at this meeting?
Would it be approved at the August 11th? We can. Yep. Yeah. Well, the only reason why I and full disclosure, I'm the clerk of city and you indicated at the meeting last week that no, it wouldn't be till February. So, the Bel Council is under the impression that
it's not going to be what they had to read. I'm only I'm only saying that because that's what happened. No, I disagree with you. when I was at the meeting. That was no way it was that indicated cuz Jordy asked
will there be changes and you said yes. Yes. And so she said and you said we'll have it after February. So I'm just saying they think that there's going to be more changes. I have no problem talking to each and every member of the Bel City Council and
explaining it to them there. That's not going to be a problem. All we're getting out right now with problems thrown at us to try to ignore this August 11th meeting. And and I'm saying as as part of this committee, we've all decided that meeting is taking
place August 11th. We need this document. We need all this stuff taken care of so that we do not have half or more of our township members up in arms. It's as simple as that. and we're doing
nothing but wanting to make sure we have full coverage and service to the good community of the fire, truck, and rescue because I think the idea that's being presented there by the folks in the audience about, you know, we'll come
back with a revised document. Uh, makes a lot of sense. I think that's that's great. You know, I don't know what the council thinks, but I I think that's great. Um I have just one really fundamental financial question and I think it's for folks other than city of
good council members. Can I ask that question? Sure. Go ahead. Sure. So I think the biggest concern typically for an organization like this is going to be that uh let's say we come up with this formula. We get the words written down. They all make sense. All the members
agree on the form and let's say that the form request says good pays 25% of any new equipment for the association. Is the intention of the group that
the association could vote to buy a new firet truck for a million dollars, which is a cheap fire truck these days, and you would have to pay 25% of that even though the good city council didn't vote
to approve that new fire truck because as I read the language currently, it says the group can agree to buy a new fire and not all the members have to approve that and then all of the members have to pay
for it. Is that what is that is intended or is there am I missing the point? Correct. That's the same as all the townships that are involved. If if the truck association says we're going to buy a new truck, everybody is in for that new truck at the percentage of of
what we have in this formula. Got it. Okay. Well, I think that's important council for you to understand. I mean, that's that's how I read the draft agreement. I've raised some questions about that, but that's that's the implication is that the fire association could buy a very very
expensive piece of equipment by a majority vote or super majority vote of that group that doesn't include the city of good representative and then good will be on the hook to pay its percentage of that piece of equipment. So, I mean that that at the end of the
day is where the rear throw here. Well, two years ago, we bought a $650,000 truck. How much did the city pay? Nothing. Nothing. And that's probably what got this whole thing started because every township paid for that truck and it gets
used in this city more than any township paid dime. So, I'm just saying it's possible that we could buy something new in the future and you'll have to pay, but you didn't pay for anything ever in the previous that everybody else.
So, so you can keep that in mind, right? But but as the city the city paid for all the training and all that other stuff, did the other I mean, I don't know. I'm I'm pennies compared to Well, and I'm not I'm not looking for argument or fight or anything. I'm just
simply asking a question here. It's the city has paid for things where you know the townships have not. Right. Lisa said the information here a while back last 10 years or 1424 whatever the city paid $130,000 over the last 10 years. Okay.
At the same time period acreage township paid uh 220 $230,000 don't pay close to $200,000. So you know and I get that. Like I said, I'm not looking for I just I had no idea
information and that was minus trucks or new equipment that did not include all that. And another thing I will say is it hasn't happened before where um we come to a meeting unknowing that one township's going to say or the
firefighters are going to say we need a new truck and at that meeting a truck is purchased. It's never like that. Right. It's like it was with with, you know, other equipment for the city. You bring it up many, many times before and you see it coming down the pipe. Absolutely.
Yeah. It's like we need a new dump truck just because two people vote on it and one person doesn't, you still got to get it because you're going to have people that are against it. So, yeah. And it's not one of those things that it happens in the spur of a moment. So just to clarify and I don't think
that's what Bob is trying to say either that at some meeting this is going to happen. It's just also like he said looking out for the vested interest of good you that's what he has to bring up. Yeah. And so mayor and councel this is
the reason I asked the question is this this issue the issue I highlighted about the group wants to buy a new truck. the group already bought new truck for almost $700,000 and who's going to pay for it? That's always the issue, of course, right? In
any fire association like this, that's always the issue. That's always the biggest area of disagreement about who should pay what. And that's fine. I have no opinion about that. I have no opinion about what good you should agree to pay going forward for new equipment. That's
entirely up to the council. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that we definitely don't want to be arguing about what the agreement says about that, right? We just want to be sure we know what we're agreeing to because it's a lot of money we're
talking about. It could be even more than 700,000. As I said, a cheap firetruck these days is a million. You can buy $5 million fire trucks without stretching too hard. So, it's quite a big financial issue for video. And so I
am all I'm advocating for you for the benefit frankly of good you and everybody in the room is that we just know what the deal is. We know exactly who's going to have to pay what. So I'll stop talking again. But I mean that that's all I'm advocating for here is clear.
Yeah. I think the the important thing now is that to get this uh the revised uh that Rich has sent over to Michael and get it over to Bob and us and get it
moving. You know, I don't think at any time the city uh didn't want to participate, but this con this this contract from 1996 at some point should have been looked at at some point, right? You know, and so
now after all these years of, you know, of course we understand the townships are, you know, saying, "Wait a minute here. Good Hughes got to get on board." Um, so the pressure is really on now to th this council uh to get something
passed and at no point did we not want to. It just, you know, we have we rely on our city attorney also to give us the information that protects us as a city. Well, can we make it happen? Can you
give Mike's to Bob and that Friday afternoon I can get by email. I can read. I can look it over by Monday morning, we can sit down with whoever in this group can be here at 9:00 Monday morning and hammer out and I
if I get it Friday, I got the weekend to look it over. I got the weekend to talk with the rest of the fire committee and I'm sure we can hammer it out Friday, Monday morning and have a document that will be satisfactory for the fire association initially for the committee
here and for the council. Well, I think we can guarantee that it'll go from Michael to Bob, but we I can't speak for Bob. Um, and how fast he can get this done. Um, you know, Friday isn't that far away. So, Bob, what
mayor council that that reflects that issue that we're kind of talking around here, and I I think we have to be direct about it. I mean, I have expressed the view, and I understand maybe folks in the audience there don't agree with this, but I have expressed the view that for a new agreement to be in effect
among these eight communities, two cities and six townships, the only way for that to happen is for the governing bodies of those eight communities to vote for that agreement. It is not my view that the fire board
can vote on an agreement and bind all of the communities to the agreement. That's not legally correct and I'm not going to change my view about that. So, it's going to require both of the Goodview City Council and all of the other
township boards and the city of Bel for a new agreement to be in effect. And that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen by August 11. Guaranteed will happen with the city of Bel and every single township by August 11th. No problem. Guaranteed. Okay. It
could you be the only one that you really don't know what's out here, do you? You don't know how long this this group has been around. You don't know the loyalty that this group has shown to the community of good you. You
think you think we're lying to you. No, then I'm not questioning your honesty. The integrity of these communities. I'm not I'm not questioning any of that. question getting all of the township board members, three supervisors of each township together to
vote on something and the councils of two cities together to vote on something by August 11. That's not my question. I'm not questioning any. Well, I think what we can do is our part, right? And if Rich's confident on his part,
then there shouldn't be a problem. So, we'll do our part. We'll get that. We've got to get this through the timeline like tomorrow morning. Dropping that off. Dropping the document off in the in the box. Okay. It's gonna get have to send to get to
Bob. Bob's going to have to get it back by Friday morning afternoon. Way to be generous. You'll read it. Call special meeting for Monday, which we have to give a a three day window. Yep. Yeah.
Three business days. So, okay. So, is that who's going to be able to make a Monday morning meeting? The problem is two people, you're right. We could do two people and have a Tuesday special meeting. I'm not suggesting a special meeting for Monday morning. I'm suggesting
representatives, representative, your administrator, Janine can make it, I can make it, whichever one of our fireboard can make it. It's just a general meeting. It's just it's no decisions to be made. It's just to hammer out the document that Bob has sent back and say, "Okay, is it
agreeable for the most part for the city? Is it agreeable?" I can go back to the committee and I can say, "This is what we got. What do you think?" If I'm not looking for a vote Monday morning, I'm just looking for a sit down
to go through the document and to for everybody to say it's going to work. three two max one will work I don't know when Joel's coming back if you want to put him on it he's
technically the representative I've been the one that's been going to all the meetings I know that he was appointed in January to be correct yeah he's not coming back for I think another I'll do Monday morning. I can take off
work. It's fine. Doesn't matter. I just Okay, I know. It doesn't matter to me. I I just need to make sure I'll be there Monday morning correctly. Then sometime between we all the townships agree on it. All the
townships and the city of Goody, you have to have a meeting to then approve it. Okay. said when you have the doc is it not was this like handwritten or no you said put it in the what are you looking for the doc here maybe is that
so so rich rich made the document printed it out okay so it's and then did you handw write it or no no he no she's talking about the document you gave me I no I can go in and I can go in and edit that document on my laptop just can't get it print off if I get it printed off I can't get it
to send any places so he printed off I read it. Okay. I'll put that uh into the dropbox here in the morning. Okay. Bob will be able to read it and have it sent back to the city down here at in the afternoon Friday
and then we can get it all in one. Okay. And then I'll send it out to the townships of Rich Monday morning. I'll meet you down here. Are you here tomorrow? Okay. The only thing is I don't know how you're going to send it off because we had that trouble last time. You had to
come down. No, that was getting it out of yours beautifully. It was getting right. I'm just saying to get it out of my laptop. Well, she can scan the hard drive copy. It's past here.
Yeah, we got it. Yeah. So then sometime after we agree upon the the document send out to the councils and we'll have to have a special meeting to Yeah, we'll have to pass it. So who's going to be here Monday?
Me. That's it. You want to do it? I I can do it. Well, what hear me on this question, Mayor. I I I I but this agreement that's in place today
which is no good and has to be uh changed which I totally understand again the reason why it's been it's in been in place for three decades but why is why is August I I don't understand the rush here I mean why can't we just get this right there there is a pro I mean the member in the
audience again made a good point which is that the actual just computer document is a mess I mean it's like it's impossible to edit it because it's a terrible it's in terrible form. So I mean actually like just getting like my secretary to produce the document in a
format somebody could read it is going to take time. So why why why we have to have this come just because there's a meeting called I don't understand you already went through the document we're speaking about. We're not talking about the 95 document. We're talking about the
one we just produced here with the last couple months. Right. Why not approve it in September or October when we can have it in a good position so everybody why not do it in December because this is what's going to drag on and on and on. We got a group of
volunteer parties like who are unhappy and unsure and the biggest reason is we need to get it budgeted. We can't do a city budget in December. We can't do it in November. We can't do it in October. We have to set all this
in September, which is why we're trying to do it in August. We set the preliminary, but we have to set it. And on top of that, we have most of our township representatives are farming.
So, we get into harvest, we get into athletic events. So, it's pretty tough to schedule meetings between athletic events and harvest. And then we sit and drag this thing out. And I do not want an unhappy volunteer
fire department guy showing up at my house to put a fire out or help rescue me when I have the big one. So it's a very personal concern of mine as it is with everybody else in our fire
district. And we had our annual meeting in February. We were working on this since February was like six months. We had like seven I think this is the eight meeting together. It's just kind of like
I don't want to get burned out but that's kind of happen. keep putting it out, putting it out, putting it out. And I think the city council members that were at the meeting the other night that from the uh they seen there's a very large show of force from the uh
firefighters. They're very concerned what's going on here. Very very on edge. And I hope that we when we talked about the resolution that we passed, right, to support the fire truck association, I hope that was heard, you know, because
that should give them. So there's major concern, right? It's better late sooner than later. So and I don't think the question of us not moving forward with this is the is the question. just trying to get
right the verbiage correct. And I think at this point all we can really do now is um just have Michael drop it off. It gets sent to Bob and then it's in his
hands and then hopefully we can get it back in time to approve it. I mean I get it. I talk to firefighters all the time and I've heard it for the last I don't know two, three, four months
and you know I mean I have a soft spot in my heart for for the firefighters too and we need to move forward with this but may just take a little bit of time. They take a couple extra days or something like that. So I don't think like I said I don't think the question of us not
moving forward is the is is the issue. It's just trying to make sure that all of this is right and hopefully with the corrections that were made, we can push this thing through as fast as we possibly. I don't think we're that far off. And one and one other question. The document that you have, does it capture
this whole formula we just talked about because that was a little No. Well, you do. I use the for the for the dollar for the levy. You didn't change the word of the formula. You don't No, no, no, no, no, no. That's the same. And the and the the numbers are the same.
5050 on the like the bridge. How you wrote I'm trying to remember it was the same. You didn't change. It's not fancy for No, no, no, no. You wrote out the formula the same as it is in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That hasn't changed.
Yeah. I I added in there that you call the assessor for the building where the numbers come from. Yeah. state for for the for the population. The formula is also based on the total building value of all the
Yes. All members. Yes. From the assessor who gives it to the GIS guy. No. It just says building and we send this
one right and I want to give my apologies for not attending Monday. Um but uh I had some uh unforeseen obligations pop up. So I apologize for not getting there. And you
know, once again, I don't want to give the impression that, you know, we want this to get moving also, but you know, I agree with Chris and and uh our city attorney. We just want to make get it right so we don't have to revisit
nothing again, you know. So, all right. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you guys. All right. Uh moving on to
the amended lions lease agreement. Objection. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the lease. Second. All in favor? Opposed? Motion approved.
Uh, next resolution 2513 authorizing PSIG grant application funding to help the North Each city in it has to pass a resolution. So all four of us have the same resolution just our name was
changed on it. came from our engineers and they're the ones that are submitted for us to try to get some funding at the federal level to help with this department. I'll make a resolution to
a motion. Sorry. A motion to pass the resolution 2530-13 authorization. I'll second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passed. Uh water aerobics options.
three options in your packet that were discussed briefly at the last meeting. Um, we just didn't we didn't get to the point of being able to say yes that you guys want to have that presented for the person who's currently going to be
teaching going to be teaching the option that'll work for her. I think you should present all three. So, I I honestly I talked to um what's her first name? Julie Julie um about it and option one sounds to be
the closest of what commonly actually took place is um she said there were often adults who would show up to the pool and say you know hey I want to do a little water aerobics but I want to swim laps and she's like yeah that's fine you know you can join us halfway through or
halfway through leave and just do some laps whatever so I really think option one is the closest um option. Also, in talking to her, um I
think, you know, yeah, we could totally ask her which option will work best for her, but she's going to pick number one, and she's also going to say it really doesn't matter as long as, you know, it it kind of lets me do it. Um, so I I
really think if we went with option one, it would be the option she would also have picked. I was just going to present it to her and I did not know if that can happen at the same time as water not water are done in the shallow end
laps are the way the pool's set up is the shallow end is here and then laps go this way so it should be okay well no because they consume 50% of the long way so if we're not we can do this and I wouldn't present it to her.
No, it wasn't us do it. It's conduct that would be her decision if it's possible to work with the lap swimmers. But it's her decision, you know, that's what I I thought mend this I agree this, you know, but we give
her all three options. Let her pick so we can get the ball rolling for her as well. So the community understands we want water aerobics to stay. Okay. But you know
regardless whatever option they choose there will be a life there adult one person to be there. to adult one up to 20 adults
the minimum. Well, I think we should just give them the options and let her choose. I guess if you just made a motion to that you all agree to to give her the option. I guess one is so this would then push
it out another month. Yeah. Do it this summer. Not necessarily. If you guys agree to present her the options and tomorrow she says, "I think option number one is great." It can start if it's the option
is her. You guys are agreeing to all three to give her the option. Okay. I see what you're saying. Okay. I just wanted to make sure we could start as soon as we could. That's what I was concerned about. Yeah. So, I'll I'll make a motion to uh uh for the water aerobic option. Three
options for water aerobics for adult use in the field. I'll second. All in favor? Opposed? Motion approved. Okay. Citywide cleanup details.
Well, I think the 13th of September is the date we have the National Honor Society from the school that's going to help recommend because the second option prom
homecom so we have the things that are in my No one's tiredbody. We have somebody that will take them. That's great. Um I just don't have anybody. So anybody knows anybody
in the internet universe that will take tires. $6. $6 a tire. I'll take them. Um, so the National Honor Soc are they are they going to help with the older people that might not be able to bring their stuff down?
We uh started up a flyer to be able we got to get this into the building in August so they can have an option. Um, I have two days before that if anybody
cannot come and they need assistance that we can give them the Thursday and the Friday before to have our crew, our guys go to their house, have it on the curb by 7:30 it gets picked up, get the prepaid and make an arrangement that they want to pick up. We don't want it
takes not supposed to be meant to be picked up. So they would sign up for it, arrange it um in order to it's it's I recommend that the cost be increased a little bit for the convenience of our
guys. We have to take a city truck and the guys picking it up and bringing it here. It can be the same price. It's up to you. All I'm doing is just recommending that maybe there's a 5 months extra pickup convenience charge for public works to go to their house,
pick it up and bring it back here. Otherwise, a flat fee would be the easiest to say flat fee, bring your load. If you got to go home, you come back with another load, it's a flat fee.
So you load the thing up, it's a load. It's a flat game. Instead of counting this, counting this, counting this, just making it simple. If anybody else has any other thoughts about that, I was just trying to make
this whole process simple, convenient, and people have the opportunity to get rid of things that they don't want. What's the liability look like with our city poisoning? Um, maybe you didn't hear that, Bob. Sorry. I wasn't very loud. What's the
liability for our city employees to be grabbing junk off the road for a fee? Sorry. Grab grabbing junk off the road for what? I'm sorry. Maybe uh like if we did a city cleanup day and we had a resident put the stuff on the side of the road
and then the city employees would pick it up. What does the liability look like? Uh, I mean, I guess as long as it's appropriate employees, it's not any different than all of their other regular job duties. I assume you're talking about uh Jason and I don't know
what's but um uh yeah, so there's nothing extraordinary about that. I got the well has the same thing. they have offer it to people to go to your put on the curve by there by 7:30. So we would charge them more to do that
because I I wouldn't be amable to do that for like senior citizens. I think we should let them I was only trying to make it be a convenience fee so then the whole town doesn't go pick up my stuff. You know that that's the only thing.
What are we going to do with the people that don't put out what we're asking for? you know, want tires. Well, she the flyer that Pine Island, I I borrowed it and I gave it to her to
put the details on what like hazardous waste that was just in that collection when you come those are prohibited. We can't not paint. I I really want to try to get things. We have people that will take it away so we don't have to pay to
take it away or get rid of it. So, I'm assuming since we don't have the flyer, but um in the flyer it says like explicitly like we will not take these items. These items will be left. And obviously, we'll have to have somebody down here. So, if the city employees are out picking up trash,
we're going to have to have somebody down here saying you can't throw those spray paint cans in the dumpster. Well, the the two days before it happens is when the pickup the Saturday there's no pick up because everybody here. So
then they come in a Thursday. Yeah. The two days to have it picked up because Saturday morning we're all going to be here. And when they drive in it can be yes, no, yes, no. At that point when they
drive in, nobody. So if if it was a flat rate fee, say 20 bucks, right? And Bob shows up, not you, Bob. Bob shows up with a pickup truck, 20 bucks. And then
if Joe shows up with a pickup truck and a flatbed trailer, is it still 20 bucks? I was trying to My goal is that people get rid of this stuff so we don't have to violation letters. If it's indeed a
trailer and a truck, it's a load. You could change it any way you want. I was trying to make it simplistic. The end goal is that people have an option to get rid of stuff. No, I get it. I'm just I'm asking. I mean, if it were me, I'd be show
I know. But if Salvation Army can get donation, cool. You know, Salvation Army is one of the participants. So, we just got to roll the dice, see how it goes. The other option is bulk pickup. So, yeah. Has anybody reached out to any
farmers want to know if they want the tires for their That's a good idea. Ask I can ask Chris. I'm going to tell them that they have to come get rims can be taken. Yep. Rims are different.
Tires booked. Can they be on it or would you No, they would take care of that. They would they would I'd have to talk to one of the I'd have to talk to the boys and see what they Well, the ri the rim the rims would have to be off the tire when they're left with us. The rim will go with the metal people.
And then if the farmers want the tires, I'm not going to say, "Hey, Farmer Bob, you need to take the rim off the tire." That's why I was wondering because we need to be specific. If the tires need to be removed from I'll bring my reciprocating saw and cut all tires off the rims. You don't want
to do that. I don't know. So any ideas? These are just I just I want my goal is to clean up for people inexpensively. I think it's good. I mean you would just need to set what you
would want the fee and if you wanted to increase what what would the fee in Pine Island? What's the fee that you're proposing? I was thinking 15 15.
I don't want a price so high that people go I'd like to see I'd like to see 10 and 15. That's fine. taking into consideration that if there's any overages that we don't
collect, then we pick up and we do have some money in garbage fund to be able to do it. That's why my goal was to try to find as many people to take stuff. So, we didn't have to pay to dump the rest of it. I was going to say cuz the only person we're going to have to
pay is empty roll take garbage, right? Correct. Cuz taken up for Salvation Army and the Yep. easier in my first time. I don't have thought and yeah, we need to see if it's even something. Yeah,
I mean this is really a test really. I mean I like I mean I like keeping it even I like keeping it even build number. So like whether it was a $10 bill or a $5 bill or $20 bill. I mean I like 20 bucks because I like money. Well, I think that's I don't have 10,
you know. So that's just telling us what you like. So the roll off, he doesn't have a minimum. It just goes by the weight. Yeah. So typically it's a dumpster pricing for trucking and then you figure
out your tonnage. But if you throw like a couch in there, that's more. Yeah. Because it's a bulky item. Mattresses, that's more he gets charged for all of So I'm I'm okay with 20. But here's my
question too. What if we have a citizen, senior citizen that needs to do this but can't afford it? I'll pay for it. Perfect. So, how can we word that in I was going to say Yeah. How do we word that? I guess contact Lisa.
Contact city city hall and I'll she can difficulties. Yes. Yes. And she can let me know and I can come down. So, what's everyone thinking for dollar amount? I know. I'm kind of
10 10 20 15 That's fine, baby. So, go to 15 then. 10 and 15. $10. $10 if you bring it here. 15 if we pick it up.
Sorry. and it's done. We have to get it. I'll make a motion for the citywide cleanup details to the uh schedule for September 13th with
$10 if you bring the load to us and $15 if we have to pick it up. I'll second that. All in favor? I opposed. Motion passed. All righty. Uh public comments.
Yep. What's that? I didn't hear that. Oh, no. Okay. Oh, no. All right. Um administrator comments. Um the only thing besides that I want to just say is that
we have to switch to ago ending and they're doing it to make sure that people know that it's a government entity. We did that switch over but we're not changing any emails yet until um it has to kind of populate that.gov needs to know to come to us. So he he he
added it. Our emails won't change. People still get same old thing that we have now, but we just got it um done. Nothing's changing as of now. That's it.
Thank you, council comments. Um I do got one thing. Um so we've been working obviously, you know, on the gas commission. Um, and we've discussed time and time and time and time again about
this agreement. And what is the agreement? Okay. Um, this last week we talked about the agreement. I have the agreement. I will send it out and we can get it printed.
We could talk about it at the work meeting. Um, but it's just very simple. It just says what the gas commission does to help out the city. What the city does to help out the gas commission and the things that
the gas commission has that the city uses the things that the city uses or has that the gas commission uses and then as well as the uh third what what do you say third week rotation. So instead of each public works person working every other weekend on call now
it's split between in three weeks. So, it's Jason, Todd, Kyle, Jason, Todd, Kyle. Does that make sense? How was that for? Wasn't that how it was before? Yeah, but this is the agreement. Like, oh, if if if there was no agreement, it would be Jason, Todd, Jason, Todd every
other weekend. So, it be like they're on call two weeks out of the two weekends a month. So, I do have that agreement. I got it today. Um, I will send that to you guys so you can print it out or send it to agent. Fabulous. Um,
yeah. And then the other issue that I emailed you about was fixed. So that was good. Yeah. So we were like, "What? What happened?" So um, little pretty simple was the gas commission was wondering why they were
paying for attorney fees and it was a misunderstanding billing thing that they they got bill for when it wasn't supposed to happen. So um, other than that, it's I do have one question. So, uh, a couple people actually asked me the question.
So, the water water and sewer bill came out. Um, the little update flyer that's inside there talked about a riding side by sides on private property. Was there a um, and it this the question? What? What? I know.
Yeah. So like people were going over private property. You're not supposed to do that obviously. So like I can't just drive it across your lawn riding side by side. So, was there like a the question that was posed to me, is this happening in the same spot every
time? Because what someone was curious about is, you know, is it a spot that people have always wrote in that change land owners or something like that that needs to be corrected or was it just a one oneoff? Somebody, it was a complaint and because
uh they zoom and by the time we call them, who knows if they're going to be there. So, it was just a blanket like you can't be on. Okay. So it wasn't happening at a consistent spot every time. Well, I'm not certain. It came as a complaint that somebody using it as a as a
pass through or whatever. Shortcut. Okay. Going through somebody's yard using it as a shortcut. Okay. And and you know, I understood the people that were asking me if they were like, is this, you know, like the old road going up towards Schaffers and past
egg partners there? that old that old road map like people always take that and so or out this way there used to be the same thing so it's just to make sure that something wasn't like that that has changed and now we're lot
and that's perfect anyone else all right mayor comments and I'm good I don't have any There. Are we all done with Bob? Yep. My team's done with Bob. Thanks, Bob. Thanks, Bob.
Thanks. Good night. All righty. Motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to I'll second that. All in favor? Opposed? Motion adjourn. So, I got a question for you.
All right. So,