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Part 1 (Video ID: faalvIzbCgQ):
- 00:16:12: Meeting Called to Order, Pledge, Attendance Roll Call
- 00:17:32: Agenda Approval, Reviewing and Amending Discussions
- 00:18:40: Consent Agenda Approved, Approving Old Meeting Minutes
- 00:19:32: Joint Powers Truck Association Agreement Review and Discussion
- 00:27:53: Concerns About Joint Powers Agreement Changes and Process
- 00:31:09: Joint Powers Agreement: Defining "Members" and Voting Rights
- 00:35:15: Amending Contracts: Governing Body vs. Committee Approval
- 00:40:22: Explaining Difference Between Members and Committee Members
- 00:45:36: Clarifying Amendment Approval and Budget Process with Attorney
- 00:51:46: Determining the Source of the Agreement Changes and Next Steps
- 00:55:48: Attorney Contact and Clarification of Joint Powers Agreement
- 01:02:12: Scheduling a Special Meeting and Communicating Concerns
- 01:06:24: New Business: Review and Approval of Spring Quotes
- 01:11:14: Capital Improvement Plan Committee and Member Assignments
- 01:17:38: First Farmers Merchant Bank Funds and Professional Consultation
- 01:21:54: Committee Updates: Good Flower Committee and Member Recruitment
- 01:24:34: Public Works Comments: Water Treatment Pump Quote
- 01:29:05: Public Works Comments: New Dump Truck and Funding Discussion
- 01:30:59: Administrator Comments: Cannabis Licenses, Project Funding
- 01:36:55: Council Tree Discussion: Remove or Pay, Snow Fence
- 01:41:50: Council Comments: Joint Power, Dog Ordinances Enforcement
- 01:50:30: Council Discussing Dog Poop Signs and Park Security Camera
- 01:55:48: Public Comments and Motion to Adjourn Meeting


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You hear us, Janine? >> Yeah. >> All right. >> All right. The time is 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 22nd. Call the city council meeting to order. Stand for the

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pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Present is myself, Chris Schmidt, >> Michael Brownst, >> Katie Certie, >> Eric Brandt, >> Lori Lman, Mr. Red Penny, >> Jimmy Nagel,

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>> is that Bob? All right. And Bob is the on virtual along with Janine. >> Mayor C, you hear me? Okay. >> Yep. >> Yes, we can. >> Yes, sir. >> Great. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. Um, approve or amend the agenda. Anything to amend? >> Um, Paul notified me on Monday. You he could not make it. So that's why I passed out what he hand. It's an adjustment. It's just

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not. >> So are we removing that or just discussing this? >> It's up to you if you want to discuss the stuff that he sent or or not. >> I know nothing about this. So we'll keep it on there.

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So, we'll keep it on there and if you guys know anything, then you can talk about it. If not, then we'll wait till next time. Get a motion to approve the agenda. >> We'll make a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor?

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approve the old minutes. >> It's on the consent agenda. I sent an email to you about something else. I mean, >> it's an adjustment if you >> decides to change that. >> It's just adding the bills and the work

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meeting minutes to the consent. >> Oh, there it is. Okay. >> It approve it all at once. >> All right. Uh the consent agenda. Get a motion to approve the bills. Um motion to approve the April 8th, 2026 city

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council work m work meeting minutes and motion to approve the good you emergency operations plan. >> I'll make a motion to get a second. >> All in favor?

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>> I closed. Motion carried. >> All right. Old business is the Joint Powers Truck Association agreement. I saw what Paul put in there. Can we review that email again just to start off on the same

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note? >> Would you like to recap? >> No, if you would pull up the email then we can just work off that and then B can help us. Don't no need to make them rework it off. >> Okay. >> Is that something you can do or are comfortable with?

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>> I I just have to find it. >> Okay, that's fine. Sorry that I printed out the email as well. So, >> do you want to recap it? >> Yeah, I guess I can read through it. Um recap, I think for Bob was a 14.1 for

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the language for member communities 8 to 10. uh he rather believes he uh should stick with that. I'm sure Bob will recap on that a little bit, but uh rather than the 16 to 20 community members when it comes to uh amending uh the agreement,

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uh the 4.3 and 4.4 of course with the member communities approving anything over 100,000 instead of the 14 to 20. Um again that was it that'll probably be

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talked about as well. 3.1 uh the language of that is not wrong as it believes it says uh member comm or what is it members I believe instead of the fire benefit of firefighters is benefit of members

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>> members of the association versus members of the district. >> Yeah. >> And then 2.2 two uh definition of community members but thinking that needs to be for

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members itself needs to refer to member communities not the governing bodies of each member community kind of a simple recap I got here if you want to check it out as well >> it looks like it's the same thing we have here that's been redlined

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>> so this can so can I ask who made these changes and when >> yeah what were like version that we're currently looking at. Where did this come from? >> Yeah, it came from Brad Colberg as part of the minutes that were sent out to the

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meeting that you guys >> Michael and I. So, these are the minutes from the relief or sorry, not relief, the joint powers lawyer. These are their red lines. >> I'm not certain to keep bread. >> That is my understanding.

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Um, I guess the thing that does confuse me with this The thing that has always confused me with this is how it's never clear where it comes from. It just appears. >> I know I had some concerns the same as

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uh Bob did just on a few things. I know he has a 14.1 that he's concerned about. Um I mine was the missing graphically depicted map. I know we talked about that, right? They're going to do a Google map on how all that stuff. Have they got that done?

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>> And that's another thing like you said, you know, I >> wouldn't be that hard. I understand that um working with Washers County GIS is very difficult as they are not as sophisticated as Goody counties. But

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yeah, if we know the individual personal ID numbers that are covered in Chester Township, why it couldn't be a simple >> draw the line around it and be like this is the part of Chester Township. >> Um the other thing that really confuses me with it and this is where I can

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understand it >> and maybe maybe Bob can help me enlighten me. Maybe I'll just leave the meeting confused about this. Chester Township, Belchchester split between Belchester Township and Chester

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Township. And the thing that confuses me is Bel as an entire city is included in this. So, I'm confused why they were talking that there were 13 or 15 residences of Chester Township that pay in, yet they were saying like 10 or 11

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of those residences are in Bell Chester. I'm thinking, well, it doesn't matter what township you're in if you're in the city because then your payment would come from the city. And that's a totally separate matter, I guess, than what we're talking about here, but it's a confusing matter to me

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at that point. So, >> yeah, I guess that's the only that's only the major thing that we don't have at all. I mean, we had the pricing, right? Percentages. We did get that exhibit. We just don't have a geographic or graphically depicted one. Um, and then the I know we did a lot of the 7 to

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10 members to the 16 or the 14 to 20 for I think the quorum. And I thought it was discussed at that meeting between the committee members themselves or you know all you guys that were there that anything over the 100,000 was supposed to be the 16 out of 20 not the 14 out of

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20 like they just changed >> that falls under that 4.34.4 that Bob is talking about as well. And then the uh I think 10.2 stay the same. I think from what that was that was four fifths. Uh

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and then yeah the 14.1 that Bob brought up as well. So I mean that's that's the only real issues I seen with those minor but yet simple things to change. opinion. >> And again, the other thing that I agree with Bobon is when he brought up the

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fact and the fact of where it talks about the relief um association and that it says something that it would be for the benefit of the fire um department or the members.

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>> It says benefit of the members. >> Yeah. >> Not the firefighters. >> 3.1. Is that where that's at? Okay. I was like, no. First, you know, >> I was reading through his notes and everything and saw that and then I was like, hang on, this doesn't benefit the

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fire entity yet. It should be benefiting the fire fighters because that's their relief. >> Yeah. So, in according to this redraw says uh for the benefit of members of the association. >> So, that that wouldn't be correct at all

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because it's not the members. No, the city the cities can't draw from it. >> No, it would be the firefighters, >> but it's members of the association, not the >> But the cities are the members of the association. >> The capital M is the community. So, >> because where the joint powers

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association is that how it all plays out? >> Mhm. >> So, this is really supposed to say fire department members, not >> Yeah. fire firefighters, >> which said before, >> correct? That's what I'm confused about. I did talk about it before in previous that it stated it and and this is again

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coming all back to what we talked about previously not previous meeting but previously on this joint powers is there's no there's no control of the document. It's like they're just picking whatever document they want or what version and

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running with it. >> Well, so so can I ask can I ask the question here? So what happened to their lawyer? Is he >> their lawyer? >> Nope. Their lawyer is from what I understand from Chad who is the president or the chair. Um he Chad is

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still working with the lawyer Bob Ruby. So that's the other thing that's confusing me is why Bob Rupy isn't sending these to Bob or Bob. Sorry. Yeah, that's where it should go is from one Bob to the other Bob and then that's when we should see it after the fact of that >> after they've discussed

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>> and we we discussed that like the Bob should be talking. >> Yeah. >> And >> that's that's what they're being paid to do is to discuss that. So >> So I guess I guess we're right back to we don't know who's making these changes and why.

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>> Correct. And even and even as we look at it, and I'm sure you'll agree, some of these changes that are on this thing weren't even discussed even at your guys's. >> No. >> So, I mean, I don't like I said, I don't know who's who's doing what and how the information is not getting where it's

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supposed to go. >> Correct. >> Um, Robert, can I ask a question? Um, with this 3.1 the the radio relief association part of this document, does it really need to be in this document? Like it seems like

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it's just something they threw in as an afterthought. Why is it in this document even? >> Sorry, council member, you're asking about the the change to section 3.1N and why does that 3.1N need to be in there at all? Yeah, basically. Is there any

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reason why should be in there? >> No, I didn't. I was wondering >> I I I agree with the point you're making. I mean, that that provision about the fire relief association wouldn't have to be there. I mean, I guess acknowledging this group, this group of 10 communities acknowledging

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that the firefighters are going to have a fire relief association. I guess that's okay to do, but it's for the benefit of the firefighters, >> right? >> It's not for the benefit of the member communities. It's for the benefit of the firefighters. So I I agree with your point though. >> I'm just pushing back. This was a huge

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concern during that meeting too. Like it feels like it was an afterthought to throw it in here. If it came down to it and this whole thing um absolved and we as a committee had money in an account, we could then, you know, say it's an

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expenditure we want to help support if we decided to do that with money left over. But the relief association, they have money invested in a totally different kind of area. Yeah, this feels like an afterthought part that was thrown in here and >> I just want to I just want to ask them like do we really just need this in here

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at all? >> I guess in going back to points that were raised at the meeting. >> Yeah. Is there a state statute uh stating we have to state something to the to the effect that we're trying to state here that

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to maintain a fireman's uh firefighters relief association um and make such contribution to the funds like is there any state statute that requires that to your knowledge? >> No. >> Okay.

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>> I I mean we all want to back the fire department. I guess that's a message that we want to make sure we share too. Like we're going to back them and if something happens where we're down to money being an account and we have to like cancel the whole gig, we could decide to support them with a normal

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vote. I just I think we should challenge them with this being here at all again. >> Again, I don't know why were there changes that just not kept the firefighters. I mean, it's a simple verbiage that could be put in there and it's still it would make no difference to the contract itself. Mhm.

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>> to change that out to put to benefit of firefighters. >> Well, if I remember correctly, Bob, didn't you have something still that and I don't have the email in front of me, but isn't there something still in there that

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we're not defining members or was that incorrect? >> No, that's in the I think it was a 2.2A. Well, so mayor, if I may, the the opening paragraph of the agreement, the very first paragraph of the agreement, this agreement is made and entered into

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and then it lists all of the participating townships and cities. And at the end of that, it has in parenthesis defined as members capital M. So the members capital M are the participating member communities, the townships and

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the cities. So that's defined in the very first paragraph. Uh, and then what's newly been added is a definition for committee members, meaning people who are appointed by the member communities to serve on the association's board. The committee

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members are the people that you the two pe you would appoint two people to be on the association board. Those would be committee members. So that's the new definition of it. But yeah, members capital members is defined in the first paragraph agreement. So, so Michael, let me ask you again

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since I'm I'm I'm struggling with these changes. So, >> do you think that they change 8 out of 10 to 16 out of 20 because it's still 80%. >> So, you think that was their thought process? I mean, it's still 80. It's

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still 80%. >> That was their thought process. And and this is the one thing that I struggled with in that meeting is they many people brought up the idea of well what if my

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government entity being city or township says we want you to go and you make the decision at the meeting and I said >> is that where they're getting the 20? That's where they're getting the 20 is because you have 10 entity government entities, two people per entity adds up

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to be 20. >> So that's where they're getting the 16 out of 20 then. >> Correct. Which I argue that that is not how it should be done.

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It it should be a cumulative agreement between your board, township board or your city council to make the decision. Now, it does bring an interesting notion into that where I guess if all five of your

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city council say you make the decision at the meeting, I think that's interesting. But I I guess they can do that. I think I don't know. I I understand these >> because aren't the townships their own governing entity? So, the two I'm just

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going to pick one. Um, Featherstone. So, the two people from because they don't have a city council, right? >> Correct. They have a township board. >> Are the two people from the board, the Featherstone, are they also on the town on the board of the township?

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>> Yes. I now I can see where they're coming up with the 20 because if we have three of the cities >> I can't tell >> that's six people for a vote right there out of the 20. >> We're looking at just cities. One person from each city. I mean we could be out

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voted pretty quickly. Now if we have six of those three major cities versus just a few of the others could get us that vote that could either be a yes or a not. >> But we get two votes. >> We get two votes. >> We each get two votes. getting this one. >> If we have 14 just for the quorum or 16

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for that, we'd be six. Those three cities be six of those votes. >> Yep. >> That means not everybody on the other cities would have to show up. You could have two two from one, one from another, right? >> And that's how this vote could sway in those different directions.

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>> So, how is that different than the >> eight out of 10? Yeah. >> Eight out of 10 or seven out of 10. >> Well, eight out of 10. >> See, I don't think it is. Well, each committee can just say >> it's it's it's fundamentally different

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in the sense that if it says 16 out of eight out of 20 committee members can approve amendments to the agreement, that's what their change to 14.1 says. It says 16 of the 20 committee members can get together and approve a change to

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the agreement. The agreement is a contract between 10 government entities and contracts almost always I can't think of an exception to amend a contract the government entity that's a

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party to the contract has to approve the amendment. So if you want to amend an agreement among two cities or 10 cities, you have to submit the amendment to the cities to the to to the cities and townships in this case and all of those bodies have to vote on that. That's the

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way contracts get approved, right? I mean that's we approve contract at every one of your meetings and your council votes on that. You vote on whether to approve contracts or not. That's this says you wouldn't do that anymore with this agreement. In the future, this agreement would be amended by the

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association's board taking votes on amendments. So either way, >> what's the problem with that? So what? So why do you care? Well, I mean, the the association could have a meeting of its committee, its board. Somebody could walk in and say, I propose that we amend

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the agenda tonight and add this this proposed amendment to our JPA to the to the agenda tonight. Okay, let's do that. And then they could vote to amend the agreement and you'd be bound by that. the city wouldn't even have been notified that was going to happen. Yes, your two members would be there, could be there. Maybe they're there, maybe

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they're not. Maybe one of them was there, maybe none of them were there. I don't know. But I mean, you'd be bound by an amendment made by the committee that never went to the city council or city. And that's just not the way joint powers agreements work. Usually, in my experience, usually if you want to amend

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a joint powers agreement, all of the participating government entities have to agree to it or some threshold have to agree to it. has to go to government entities that are parties to the agreement. >> So with our prior with the prior agreement

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would we have had the same issue? >> Yes. >> Well, yeah. What would have been the difference? >> To be clear to be clear, there is a disagreement as I understand. I mean, frankly, I shouldn't say that. I think there is a disagreement between the

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association, the folks that are running the association and the city of good New York. at least me on behalf of you. I I have been told that it is the view of the the current association board under the current joint powers agreement that the current board or some portion of

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them believe that the agreement currently can be amended by the board. I don't agree with that. I think that's legally incorrect. I think that the current agreement cannot be amended except by agreement of all of the party parties to it. all of the the government

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entities that are parties to the agreement. So there's a disagreement about that currently. I mean I I I heard and again I haven't heard this from Bob Ruby, the attorney for the association, but previously before he was hired, I heard from representatives from the association that they believed that if

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good wouldn't go along with this, they would just change the agreement over Goodw's objection or over our without our consent. I don't believe that that can be done. So I I can't answer your question. There's a disagreement about that. Well, I guess I'm just trying to understand

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>> and I guess going back to what Bob was saying, he is correct. There have been many different members of the association who have stated that that if this doesn't get resolved in X time frame, we will make good pay $50,000 a month for

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rent or we will make them pay XYZ. And they do think for some reason somewhere in the agreement from 94 or whatever 97 it states that in there. >> I'm not a legal expert. So I'm not even

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>> I'm just trying to understand between the version >> the version we were going to approve and this version we were signing ourselves up for that possibility on both versions. >> Like >> yeah that's where I'm struggling. the one that we voted on and also was okay and I know they're going to say well

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that doesn't matter but it does. I guess where I'm struggling in is explain to me what the difference between 16 out of 20 and 8 out of 10 is. I I guess that's where I'm struggling >> or is there no difference and this is a gap we have to ask them. >> Well, I think you know the eight out of

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10 I would agree with Bob on the 14.1 right when it comes to that particular issue when it comes to amendments to the agreement. Right. The city should the city should have a say in an amend when you're amending agreement, right? >> So you're saying because there was eight

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out of 10, we could have been number we could have been number nine and 10 and we wouldn't have been able to have a say. >> Correct. >> No, that's that's where I'm Thank you, Katie. That's where I'm struggling. It's the same concept. >> It is the same concept, but it is it is I guess I want to emphasize this. I

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think it is I think it is fundamentally different. If it says eight out of 10 members, that is governing bodies of the 10 communities that are in this agreement. If it says eight out of 10 have to approve this to amend the agreement, that means the amendment must

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be submitted to all of the communities to the city councils for the two cities and the township boards for the eight townships. >> Oh, I see. I see. Okay. I see. >> The amendment has to go out and all of the members. So it says 16 or 20

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committee members. It doesn't go to any of the member communities. It's just a board meeting of the association and it could be approved there. >> Can I basically back to so basically back so basically back to Michael's point it reads as in Michael and Chris would then since you would be actually

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giving the members the ability to speak for the I mean whoever it is for Belchchester whoever it is for Goodw whoever it is for >> correct speak. I see what you're saying. So instead of it being a council decision, you are saying Chris and I >> you guys did

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>> we are the voice for the city to make the decisions which is an issue that I have had since my first meeting where I question it because that is how this committee or this association has always operated is that me and Chris as the two

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representatives for the city have the power to vote. I'm buying a truck. I'm buying anything. Um, and the there's two trains of thought there. One is Bob's, which I I totally understand

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being that it shouldn't be up to two individuals that are appointed by the city to make that decision. It should be the city's decision to make it. Meaning all five members of city council should make the decision to >> and you guys alter this document.

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>> Correct. versus how it reads now is since we are the committee members for good you we now make the overwhelming decision of what our council wants >> at the day at the time of that meeting if they want

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>> so if let's be real if I wanted to just I'm moving out of town and I've been pissed off by Goodw I could say sure let's buy a new truck it'll cost good you $250,000 over the next two years and hey I don't have to worry about it because next month I'm flying the coupe

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Do I hope that ever happens? Absolutely not. Is it a reality of the times that we live in? Unfortunately. So that's where the issue I think we're changing it from members to committee members and 16 out of 20 versus 8 out of

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10. >> And this is where the convers Yeah. And the conversation at the actual meeting, joint cars meeting was they felt like that wasn't approached that way. The conversation wasn't held in that manner. It was held in a different manner in that >> Yeah, it was definitely discussed differently.

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>> Yeah, differently in that way. I see what you're saying with this. Um, so if we change it back to eight of 10 members, which would mean the city versus 16 or 20 people on the committee, which would mean you two being on the

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committee. So with that being said, I think an explanation of that sort needs to be brought back to joint power so they understand kind of what we're why we want to change it back because they're afraid essentially that that's not how it's going to be executed. And

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and that's what also, you know, I've struggled with even with the budget when we set that um or the levy, the operating budget, whatever you want to call it, is we agree upon that at our annual meeting

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without any approval of any government entity. So in reality, and this is I think where we're trying to move to, but I I don't I think there's push back as well, is we should have a preliminary meeting

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and and correct me if I'm wrong, Bob, but we should have a preliminary meeting to set 2027 budget in the fall of 2026 so that cities can set it and then it's already set for townships because

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Township budgets go July 1st to June 30th and city budgets typically operate calendar. So, so that's the kind of dynamic that we're facing. But I think that's what we

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have to do is we have to set our budget almost a year ahead of time so that the city and townships can operate under the same operating budget. And so then in theory we should have a preliminary meeting that talks about what our

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operating budget will be for 2027 and then we can approve it after it's been approved by the members. Whereas instead Yeah, mayor, mayor council, I agree with all that. Just just back on the base

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point here about 14.1 and it's true about 4.3 and 4.4. has changed from the member communities, the members capital N having having to approve an amendment to the agreement for a large purchase. Changing that to the committee members

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deciding that you are right that I strongly believe that the members capital M should have an amendment to the agreement submitted to them so that they all of the your your council and all the town boards can vote on it. That that I agree with. I want to go back to

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I mean previously my view has been to amend this agreement should it should require the consent the agreement of all of the parties you shouldn't be able to amend this agreement unless all 10 communities agree to that amendment that has been overruled I mean previously the

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council said no to that but that I'm going to be clear about my view my view is that you shouldn't change this from 8 to 16 of 20 committee members but I don't I think it should be unanimous and I gave a ridiculous example, but we have two new council members that maybe want

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to hear my ridiculous example. The reason I believe that that is true as an example is that theoretically, this will never happen, but theoretically the eight townships could say, "Let's propose an amendment to the agreement that says the two cities pay for everything 100%. The two cities pay for

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everything." Uh, the eight townships could vote to approve that. >> Yeah. Even though the two cities would undoubtedly not approve that, your the two city councils would say no to that. The way this is written, the eight townships could approve that amendment and we would be bound by that. The city would be bound by that. We would be

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obligated to pay all of the fire association's costs. Again, I don't think anybody's going to do that. That would be sort of a bad thing. But that's what the agreement says. The agreement says that the eight townships can vote to change this deal over the objection of the two cities. That's not usually

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the way joint power agreements work, but that I previously been shot down. That is the point I made previously last year at the end of the year. >> Bob, I have a question on that 4.34.4. Your concern was to make sure it was eight out of 10 for the large purchases

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and then still remain the 14 out of 20 for just your typical smaller purchase. Correct. >> You you are correct. Yeah. I mean, the example we're going to talk about there is a new fire truck that's going to cost a million dollars. It seems to me that again we want, you know, we want the

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large purchase like that to be something that all the member communities get to take a look at. Uh we want to make sure that we're we're seeing what's being proposed and take a vote on that. But yes, you're right. What you said is right. >> Okay. >> So So I guess I can interject here again. I I feel like we always sit in

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the same place here. The these changes are made. Bob is not working with the other Bob, which we talked about three meetings ago. So, I I just h how do we get out of this? Because I feel like if we don't like what do we do so this

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doesn't keep happening? >> I guess that's >> Well, mayor council to be fair, I guess I'm being asking you to be fair to me. I've been exclusively working through the attorney for the association. I have only communicated our changes to the

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attorney for the association and he has been working with me. this latest set of changes. I don't know where they came from. I'm I'm with everybody else in the room. I I don't know. They didn't come to me from Bob Ruby or the association. They came from else. I don't know. I I don't know where they came from.

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>> That's where the gap. The gap is somebody's making changes that aren't isn't going through the chain of command here. >> No, the joint powers made these suggestions back to the other Bob based on our meeting, our last joint powers meeting. These were things like

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Bellchester or Featherstone or Chester. Like these are things we talked through. But the problem is is that we talked through these but we didn't have the expertise to understand the 8 out of 10 rule and what that meant and what that implied.

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So it it is a frustration across the joint powers association. Like they're all very frustrated with it. Um we're the only one with a lawyer for good reason. But >> a lot of the and a lot of these townships and cities are looking to good you because we have >> Yeah.

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>> an attorney >> and that's that's the thing that I just find to be the biggest oddity. Um >> it's true. We we were talking about this and and there was someone from um Bel Township who brought this up actually I

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think possibly two people is that yes you know why and they they brought up to themselves where it's like well why haven't we been discussing any of these and why haven't we been seeing any of these to to I guess kind of talk about

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it but then at the same time they also bring up it's like you know which I thought was smart should we be bringing in our own way was their comment and it's like probably not a bad idea because what you're binding your township and your community to is

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expensive. So, it's one of those things in my eyes that's Yeah, a lawyer is expensive, but doing this without a lawyer, the repercussion the repercussions can be a lot more expensive. >> Bob was the association lawyer, the other Bob. I thought >> he is. He is. But it's one of those

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things to me and this was this was the same viewpoint that person had was it's almost they were thinking that their township should also have their own lawyer that is in the mix of talking which I agree with

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>> but there was also talk of why do we even have lawyers involved? Why can't we just figure this out? And it's because >> the point that I brought about it was we're not the ones that are going to be in the courtroom. Okay? Like that's that's where this all boils down to. We're not the ones that are going to

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have the litigation based on all this information. So that's why we have to do it as like a commitment to our community. >> I'm Yeah. >> So >> yeah. >> Go ahead. So just to recap, nobody knows where this version came

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from. Right. Right. >> This came from the other Bob. I think >> our Bob >> I don't have the email from Bob Ruby. that says this is their version. Um but from my greatest understanding is yes.

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Chad Ryan, the chair for um the >> joint powers >> joint powers and the the association was in conversations with Bob Rupy following our joint powers meeting we last had and

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that's where this is coming from. >> That makes sense. Yeah, if that if that's correct, that's very very disappointing. Bob Ruby and I have known each other for a long long time. We agreed at the front end of this that I would communicate for good you to him. He would communicate

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back to me from the association. That would be the chain of communication. >> So if the association gave changes to him and then they were sent to you all, not through me, that's disappointing. That's not the way lawyers work. So I

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will I'm going to be surprised if uh drafted these changes and then they weren't sent to me. That's not how lawyers work. >> So I'm thinking probably today maybe discuss the changes that need to be made and from here on out we will not have any other discussions on this until we hear from you that some type of

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agreement's been made between you and the other lawyer. >> Well, that's hard because now we're going to have joint powers meetings >> and that's the predicament that we're in next week. >> Just sit there and not talk. That's hard. We'd still be able to have the meetings, but anything discussed at the meeting would have to go through their

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lawyer, which in turn we would see and go through and then we would actually get the real >> actual documents, the real changes, right? For sure. >> Which is why I also say like the other townships in theory should have their own lawyer to have their voice heard

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through this process. >> Oh yeah. >> It's their own fault for not >> Yeah. What they choose is their choice. But yeah, we we definitely got to look out for for Good. I mean, it's just the way we did this, you know, >> and if we I know a lot of these changes, and I think Bob would agree with me, a

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lot of these wouldn't be that difficult to change. You know, these 10 to 10 for the amend, the 8 to 10 for the large purchases and a map, right? There's some simple wording. I don't see >> we're really close. >> We're like really close. I as far as I can tell, we're close to the finish line on this thing. Right.

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>> A few key changes that Bob and Bob can work out that would benefit not only the association to get this thing signed, but it would benefit the city as well and other communities. >> I don't see that being a big issue to be honest with you. And I don't see the association at you guys next meeting

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probably not disagreeing with Bob's saying on some of these things as well. Yeah. >> And I don't disagree with the eight out of 10 for the large purchases. That's >> after hearing the explanation. I agree. >> Fantastic. And the quorums are 14 out of 16 or smaller purchase 14 out of 20. Yeah, that's normal normal operation

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business. >> So, so could the next step be I mean should we have Bob reach out to the outer Bob and say I was provided this. What's the next step here? >> I'm thinking that we >> give Bob all the information that we're

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looking at today that we're discussing. I mean the 14.1 the 4.34.4 for large purchase 8 out of 10 um 2.1 6.1 uh geographical or graphical map I know Bob talked about it before and some kind of outline or there's some kind of borders

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to show what the limits are for each of these cities depicted I mean we got the purchase the percentages which is fine but I have a map that's actually attached for each of the towns or townships >> and I mean a few key little word changes like Bob is saying it's like the fire

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firefighters you know our firefight employees. I think those key changes, those two have the discussion. I mean, they should be able to hash that out pretty simply between themselves. >> Okay. So, let's have Bob contact the other Bob then.

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>> Is that something you can do, Bob? >> Yeah, Mayor Council, that makes 100% sense to me. I I would just add that I think I would just because I'm me I think I would ask Bob to explain to me why it is these changes were sent not to

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me but directly to you um because maybe the answer is that he doesn't know about them either but I I want to find out you know where these are coming from and regardless maybe they were reviewed by Bob I will just raise the the issues that we've talked about here and work through those with you.

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>> So I guess one question I do have is so the And it's it's an odd one to me. If if a city or township wants to tell their members to vote how they want to vote

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live, I guess um let's say for instance it was Hay Creek and Hay Creek says, "Well, you know, you join the representative. You make the decision on what you want to do at the meeting." It's an interesting one to me. I guess you have every right to do that if you

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all decide to vote that way. Do we need >> Well, Mary Council, there are lots and lots of things that the committee, the 20 member committee can decide. So, there are lots of things that the cities and the towns can save their representatives. Yeah, you vote your

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conscience. You do what you want to do on all those issues. I mean, they can buy things up to $100,000 without having to go to the member communities. So, there are lots of things that committee will do. just I don't think the committee alone should be able to amend the agreement without having to go to the individual communities to get their

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agreement on that as an example. So, but there are lots of things you can directly represented just vote on and do what they think is right. >> So, I guess what I was saying is could we make it where each town has a half vote? I don't know. So in theory

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you could have >> I'm thinking just to keep it basic like Bob was saying for large purchases be eight out of 10 members. So you'd have to bring that large vote back to your city and discuss it before that vote would be actually brought to the

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association of what it's going to be. >> Correct. But I'm saying once again let's say let's say good you says we want our members to vote how you want to do it and me and Chris are split. How do we vote? We don't vote. What do we do? I would imagine you just cancel each other's votes out and you'd be a no vote at that point.

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>> I mean you there was votes received whoever wins a vote from the other um parts of the committee then they I mean it's just like a vote I guess it's a as a community I would think that you guys would be on the same page if you were >> the large votes you would have to be on the same page right because eight out of

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10 you would have to bring that large purchase to the to the city council. >> Yeah. But anything like for the quorum or anything up to a certain amount then you we would have belief in you as appointed representatives to make that decision for those certain purchases.

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>> Even if you would agree then you would >> then that's where your 14 out of 20 will come in through the whole the whole group of the court. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We don't have to >> I think I like this explanation now that I understand that a little bit better.

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the eight out of the 10, the 14 out of 20. That makes good sense and I think I know there's some guys bel specifically that will listen to this and I think that they will benefit from hearing the explanation definition of this too. I think it's helpful to understand that we didn't have that at that meeting

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>> and I I would absolutely agree the 14 out of 20 for qu for qu for qu for qu for qu for qu for qu for qu for qu for qu for quorums and for your typical everyday purchases things like that I think that kind of a vote would be your typical normal meeting. It has to be, you know, has to run. It has to do its thing. Any large purchases goes through,

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of course, the members has to come back to the cities or townships to vote whether that's going to be a yes or no at that meeting, whether they agree or not. >> So, Bob, why do you Oh, sorry. Sorry, Eric. >> No. So, I agree with Bob on the 14.1

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uh the 10 for a 10 to amend the agreement. That should be anything amending this agreement. Everybody should be on board for that. Uh the 4.34.4 for 8 out of 10 for large purchases, anything over 100,000. And then I would just ask for the 2.16.12

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the graphical map be included as well. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I previously made that point. So I'll reiterate that >> tomorrow. >> Tomorrow. Okay. And then you'll let us know, right? you know, as soon as I connected him

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>> and then and those other little changes I think you had on that two 3.1 just the minor stuff which I don't think that's going to be much of an issue to be honest but >> I agree with that. Um >> I think that's right. >> Just FYI, Joint Powers meets again on April 27th

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where they're going to discuss this again. So >> So April 27th >> Monday >> Monday >> Monday >> with the intentions of voting to prove this or was >> that was the hopes, dreams, and aspirations. We thought we were there.

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>> That would have been nice. But even what they just handed over wasn't what was >> they was talking about. >> We're getting real close. >> I know. >> Well, Bob tomorrow might be, but I mean, there's still three three working days there. >> I mean, if they get they get hashed out

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in a day or two and it all looks good to Bob, I mean, it is what it is. We'll we'll figure something out to try to work with the association if it does. But I mean, >> do we I don't know if this is legit or not. We haven't seen the final version,

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but we all have notes on what the final version is. We have to see that final version and make a vote here before we can take vote at joint powers. Right. >> We would we would end up if it's not going to be a meeting have to be a special meeting for for that >> which we could certainly call. >> Yep. Which we could do. Yes.

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>> Monday before this before If they were able to get it hashed out in a day or two, >> that would be aggressive. But yeah, >> we need a minimum of three days notice. >> Monday. >> All right. Well, that's not going to work. >> I got my marching orders, folks. I got I

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got to jump here. I'm getting >> Thank you, sir. So, I appreciate it. Thank you. Have a great meeting. >> Thanks. You too. >> So, let me ask this question. Could we just automatically put a special meeting for

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Monday? Worst case scenario, no one shows up because the document's not prepared. The special meeting is not going to happen. Correct. >> What time is there? I didn't catch >> the meeting's at 76.

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>> 6. >> I think they're being too aggressive. >> Yeah. No, I agree. Mhm. >> I want to do it, but >> I I don't see the lawyers getting it done by then to be honest with you. >> No. No. Because well, >> longer to get this for >> Yeah. This was supposed to take a couple

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days and this in reality took two weeks. >> But might have taken a couple days if it actually went the right route. >> Yeah. >> Um Well, you're right. So maybe as a courtesy um being the rep on the board, do you want to contact Chad Ryan and

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say, "We have some concerns. It's got to go back to the lawyer." up to you if you want to keep the meeting on. We'll definitely be there and explain what we learned. >> Y >> but we're not going to be able to make a vote on Monday. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, if they still want to have you guys want to discuss what the lawyers talking about the eight out

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of 10 and all that good stuff >> to get more definition other townships and cities >> that might be useful to them. >> I don't know. >> Yeah, >> it makes sense now that he explained that. I did not understand it that way.

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>> And that was one thing that we brought up in the meeting was we wanted a flatout definition list. And and I thought we had that clear that either the first page of this document or the last page of this document would have

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been a definitions list stating what everything is instead of having to read the entire agreement confused somewhat and then slowly picking the agreement apart so we can understand what a member defines as what a everything else.

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And that's still confusing and frustrating to me that that is not something that's in there because it's not something hard to do. It's also concerning to me that we still after talking about it, we don't have a sheet in here that is

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stating the edits that are made because all you have to do on a on Word is turn the review function on and it will automatically input into a sheet and notate it into a sheet what the changes and edits are being made so that this

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doesn't happen. because there's changes that are made that were not changes that were asked for. >> At least it's red line. Come on, Michael. At least it's red line. >> We had to say that about 10 times in the meeting. >> It's one step further than it was. It's right behind >> because yeah, even this one I went back to the previous one just to coincide to

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see what were you know what actually changed and I'm looking like well there was some stuff discussed but those weren't the correct changes and it's like well >> okay now we're now you can see from this point on if we get these what is it like three or four things something like that real minimal

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stuff if we can get those easily changed there's an agreement it's that simple >> we're getting there I mean it was definitely something has been frustrating for everybody and it's even before my time. It's frustrating for me to be sitting here doing >> but I think all this frustration is

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going to pay off in the end. It's going to benefit everybody, not only the association, the city, the members, everybody. Honestly, >> it may take a little longer to get there, but it'll get there. >> I think we have a plan. So, that's good. >> We're going to get it done by Monday. I

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doubt it, but you know. >> Okay. I guess one one question I do want to bring up um slightly on the joint powers maybe not on the agreement maybe just bring this

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up to council concern but yeah we'll bring it up later everybody carry on >> carry on right moving on to new business review and approve spring quotes that were

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received. So, I have to ask, this was an honest quote receipt. >> Yes. >> Like, did the guy come in at 350 and just fill it out right here? >> Who is Bill Robertson? >> Picked it up. No, right back.

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>> So, he picked this up and literally hand wrote it down there because I'm I'm confused. I'm sorry, but >> is that a JCB TS8 CL plus? >> I have no idea what that's even >> like a JCB is a skid loader. It's a

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company >> minus skid steer. >> Yeah. >> And approximately 13,000 pounds of what? material crust rock what kind of >> I don't know grass clippings I have no idea

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>> doing alleys to me when he pulled it out because he has needs some alleys done so >> funny thing is I think we have two alleys at a gravel left in town >> but don't worry this unit does a much better job than a road graater

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>> so these quotes are you said that Jason was going to be here around Does he understand what this is a little bit better? Maybe >> he may have spoken. >> Okay. >> So, I guess if we look past Mr. Robertson's um going through this, I

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guess I can speak on this. It's fairly common. Every year you get the quote schedule or weight schedule. Um, basically as you go through it as a city, um, let's say a temporary work is needed or a immediate fix, typically you

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have to get quotes to do so. This kind of circumvents it in the fact that you would pick the company that's going to have the lowest price. Jason can estimate how many tons of rock he's going to need and how many rough

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estimated hours of a dozer or a grater he's going to run to get the job done. And then you would base it off of that to go with oh shoeer brother is going to be the cheapest on this job or Fitzgerald excavating is going to be cheaper on that job or grooming's price

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per ton is cheaper. So I wouldn't say it's how a city can kind of build a job without that doesn't need an engineer per se. >> Yes. We're not every single project we have to worry about. It's >> this one contract >> 20 tons of rock and six hours of work

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and we're not going to bid it out because these companies going to hate us if we have to bid out every >> So I I have a question. So was the first one some guy who came and handwritten wrote it out on this piece of paper? >> Yes. And there's something from this Ashley Blake and then there's something

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from Fitzgerald. Is that the way this >> Yes. Yes. So So the company so far is Bill Robertson. >> Then Ashley Blake is with Bruning Rock, >> which that's only rock. They don't have like excavators or >> No, that's just rock pricing. They they'll drop rock and leave and that's

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that's it. >> Okay. Um Fitzgerald excavating you can get rock and equipment and labor. And then um Shoemaker Brothers here is stating rock equipment

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and I know they have labor but labor pricing is not notated. >> Yeah, I think we need Jason because the f the first one looks really unprofessional. So I I don't even know if I tr I don't even know who this guy is. I mean what >> I mean we don't have to approve anything. All we have to do is we just

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we're just accepting the bids. >> Picking one. >> Yeah, >> he uses them. He uses them. >> He looks at all of them. >> We just have to I don't know about the first one. >> All we have to do is just approve. >> Thank you.

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>> Yeah. >> Approve the spring quotes. >> Basically approve that people submitted them and that we accepted them. >> Just like what we do for winter snow removal. choose what we need when we need >> each individual. >> So, I guess I'll make a motion on that.

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>> To approve them, >> all in favor? >> Opposed? Sprinkles received >> the capital improvement plan committee assignment. So I guess >> we had asked that we put together like a

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crew to basically start working on a >> committee subcommittee something like that that we can start working on that capital improvement plan to start working on the city to especially now I'm sure later on we're going to see some stuff that needs to be done that could easily go in that capital improvement plan that we know is going

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to be needed later that we can start budgeting for now ahead of time. Yeah, >> we all seen that one we've got last meeting, I think the work meeting or whatever it was, >> that was exceptionally good that we will not be reaching that limit.

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>> But I would defin absolutely like to see something in line with that to better budget for city-wise, for repairs, things like that for future projects, which we all know we want to expand the city eventually. the city's going to get

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bigger, more people want to move here, things like that. So, I think something like that would absolutely benefit us later. >> I agree. I guess my question on that and maybe help me a little bit with this is

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who is on what committees um so that we can uh spread the love essentially. >> I'm not on any so I'll be happy to be on that committee if you guys would like. and yourself also at the same.

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>> Yeah. And that's where I think I'm happy to help compile things too. I would want to do it virtually um just because I don't get off work during regular working hours and as the administrator and the clerk, you guys should be involved too as part of your role.

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>> Well, it does we would do the same thing. I'm going to do in January. you you make the committee appointments and then you are on the committee and then you move forward with that task. So that is what I was another thinking that you thought was going to happen. That was my

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assumption what the committee appointment would be made. >> Since this is a new committee, we wouldn't want to wait until January. >> Well, no, no, no. We >> we just do the normal >> similar to what happens in January. This is just >> we just make the appointments of who's

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going to be on. >> No, what she's I think is what she's saying is because she has a normal job and doesn't get off until late, it would have to be done virtual because you guys would need to be involved. >> The actual appointment that we need to

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make tonight is just the same what you do with J. That is true. >> So you can >> I guess this leads into a second conversation that you we were talking the other night about too. So maybe it was the right time right too.

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>> Yeah. So so the one thing that I was we had discussed about is um looking at altering who was on the um fire association >> joint powers. >> Joint well fire association joint powers. I mean everything the

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representatives of the city u for the relief association or >> association members. >> Yeah. whatever you want to call >> the contractor. Okay. >> So, so I guess um the thing that I had thought about is

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with your background Katie of um being in understand contracts quite well. Being a former firefighter of yourself and having an understanding of of of those two, I think it'd be very

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worthwhile to have you as one of those. And so I guess what I was curious about is if we shuffle this up and had Katie and I be the representatives. >> I'm fine with that. >> Okay. >> Now, I know under the new agreement,

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you'd have an alternate as well. >> Correct. >> Technically, you'd have three. >> So, >> correct. >> Decide not to go, then she would absolutely be on it. Basically, she would be the >> And right now the alternate is >> So, so I guess um the question that I

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have is Janine, do you want to stay as the alternate? Do we want to put Chris as the alternate? How do we want to roll with that? >> I mean, I think Chris would be good for the alternate. >> That's fine. >> Yeah. So we can

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approve this >> and then come back and do the fire one during our >> conversation. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it was just >> So I'm the I feel bad because I'm the one who brought up this tip, but Eric,

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if you want to be on it, definitely. >> But we could have people. Well, I will, but I would like to be maybe >> let you take lead on it and then or somebody else take lead on it and I'm very happy to >> give it some juju and and do the things

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that I tend to like to do. >> I I guess honestly my thoughts with this whole thing was you seem very interested in it. So, I think being on it makes sense because you also have some already some I feel like ideas. Eric, also I feel like you are very interested in

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this as well, which is good. So, I think it only makes sense to maybe have you two be the representatives on it. Not that I'm just throwing you at it and saying I have one less thing to do. >> It just seems like you both you both seem

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>> to look forward or not. I don't look forward but >> have your eyes when they >> It's a challenge. It's a challenge and I'd like to see the challenge. And I think you'd do really good at it, too. I'm very happy to stay I go on the subcommittee also. Um I'm going to let

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you take lead though like with those guys and I would like to contribute. I just might not be able to contribute as much being on to the end committees, but I'm happy to contribute wherever. >> Yeah. No, that's fine by me. >> Okay. >> You just need to make a motion. >> There's a motion. >> I'll make a motion.

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>> Yeah. >> I'll second. I'm like, I'm not we're not going to make it. >> CIP, >> Eric and Katie to be on the committee of the CIP >> and you could do a reassignment of the

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fire right now too. I'll make a motion of the reassignment of the fire committee rearranging that Katie will be a committee member and Chris will be the uh backup >> the alterate

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>> alternate >> Janine will be removed >> what Chris said >> I'll make a motion on it >> second >> second >> all in favor motion carried All right. Next is the First Farmers

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Merchant Bank moving funds. Um, obviously Paul is not here. I know nothing about CDs. I'm not going to sugar coat it. >> Put them into the >> put them into your JBC know that >> the only information you pass along is we have the 3% savings account which is

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what we was offered before. So those funds can be transferred in and out. They do have to meet but the balance on that 3% needs to remain over 100,000 to keep the 30%. And next meeting the work

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session is a presentation from the 4 M group which they do consult with cities to help dove investments. >> So that's at the next work. >> That's at the work meeting. is going to be coming in and answering all of your questions.

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>> So, I'm kind of thinking table this and tell them. >> Absolutely. >> I would rather have some professional advice on what we're going to do versus take a guess. >> Thank you for lining that up. I think that would be helpful. And I guess one thing for the next

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meeting, I know we'll kind of be off by a couple weeks, but could we have do we continue to get the statements that we're getting typically like they're typically emailed at the end of the month? Am I right? >> Oh, he's talking about the budget to

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action. I'd like to see that be fun to packets. >> Yeah. So, we >> just when I have it done, I just like that. I mean, if you want to email that out right away when it's done, that's fine. But could it also be included

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because that typically winds up being >> completed before the work session meeting? Correct. >> It's in between. It depends on when the day falls and when I get >> Okay. So, like if it has if it has to be included in in the, you know, um full

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council meeting, regular council meeting, whatever you want to call it, um like the second one, like that's fine. Included with that one. Um, but just wherever it falls, if we could always be getting that every month. >> Yeah, the month monthly. >> Yep.

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>> I I do still have a lot of questions on it and I want to understand I want to absorb some more on that. Can we have that be on the next working session agenda is to like dive into that a little bit better. It'll help educate us a little bit on what is set out there and then um maybe we could get some

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input on some revisions potentially. I like the idea because it'll coincide with the financial guidel. So >> yeah, >> thank you. >> All right. >> It was on the other last.

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>> Yeah, the the work Um, that was in the last packet. >> I didn't know if we got it. >> Yeah, we get it. Well, >> I think it depends when he emails it off. >> We get it. >> We would get it at the working session.

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>> Um, committee updates. Oh, we're going to table the bank. >> To distract you guys. Do you have anything for the sheriff's office before I have to go? >> No, I just asked about you and then No, we're good. >> Okay, perfect. We don't have anything. We just had pretty much the same call.

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So, calls are getting higher, but nothing to be concerned about. So, >> you guys have Thank you so much. >> Um, table the banking stuff. Uh, committee or committee updates.

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Um, I guess one thing, so my wife and I, we are in charge of the good flower committee. Um, some of the ones that that put out the beautiful flower pots around town and maintain several of the beds around town that you'll see um on

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city property. Some questions that did arise at our meeting that we had last Saturday. Um I guess one was uh unfortunately we're not we're not gaining any members. Um and so that's

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that's always the lovely thing about committees. So I guess one question we that came up is is there any way we could put in there um put in the like monthly or quarterly newsletter that goes out in the mailings. >> Um just just stating about that and if

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anyone wants to join to reach out. I had no idea there was a flower committee. >> Yeah. >> So, >> and don't worry, there's many people that just think the city do city does all the the pots or something like that or they just eventually live here and

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disappear. So, um it is one of those things. >> Well, they make them appear on the street corners. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I guess I had a question about Now, do they do they do all the parks and stuff like that, right? That they >> to a point. Yes. And no. Um so, like I'm trying to think. the floor beds down by

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the pickle ball courts. >> Yeah. Yeah. By the pool. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Do they work with the school with the >> Somewhat very minimally unfortunately the school um it's been a interesting thing with the egg teacher turning over

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a couple different times um and stuff like that. And now like typically the school helped out with cleaning out the beds at the in the spring. Um with the cleanup day only being half day now. I don't Did it happen? Did that >> Yeah, it got cut in half. >> It got cut.

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>> But like was that day already take Did that day already clean? >> Okay. >> Until this next week. >> So, it'll be interesting to see. Typically, it was a full day and they would take like a whole like 20 30 kids to clean up all the beds. We have no idea how this is going to go this year.

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So, you know, it's not a strenuous task by any means, but uh if you don't mind picking some weeds here and there and stuff like that, thoroughly enjoy that. like it. >> I can do that. I can do that. >> Maybe I don't know. Maybe even throw it

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on the face and if that >> Yeah, put it on Facebook. >> So >> that would be amazing. >> Yeah, >> you have a Facebook page, right? >> So you could connect to that Facebook page of Kylie Center that link. >> But for the newsletter, if you have the

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information that you want in there, that will be we can put it probably in the main one. time. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Nothing from the gas side. Um, public works comments. Well, Jason's

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gone. >> He did give me a bunch of notes if you guys want to know about this that he got for the pump that water treatment plant. I had one question about it. Was this

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the only quote he received? >> No. Let me let me just give you the rundown on what he's been doing. >> Okay. >> If that's okay. >> Yeah. >> He contacted the supplier of the old pump. They said they could build the new pump in 17 weeks. >> He called Electric Pump three times as

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well as email and he had no response. Minnesota pump. They can't give us a quote, but they need to come back down, take a look, and then they'll give us quality was the only one that responded with the quote, and this is it. And it came and gave us this. Our plant is

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filling up with solids as we speak, and the pump is slowing down. It should have been replaced long before now. The quality flow one is turnkey. Includes the piping pump, electrical install, and mechanical. And the uh secondary part for the 12 each. They're they don't know

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how many they're going to have to replace of the valves. So, that's an unknown. Um they're going to bring a few extra. Uh Doug alms said is he said get it done right away or maybe out of

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compliance. So, we need to jump on this. It's a necessary. Jason will order it tomorrow. >> So, I I will have some notions. Uh, Borger, the pump manufacturer is a very good company. A ro pump will be great for the application that's going to be

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going in. Um, honestly looking over this, nothing seems crazy. Um, on a lot of it, the nice thing about these border pumps is they're very robust as well as also very serviceable.

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For instance, we have a different brand of rotary low pumps, but we service our own pumps and they're quite easy. I would have confidence in Jesus themselves on them. So, um, 36,000 I don't think is honestly crazy. Um, for

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what's happening, um, and I think 18 $1,200 for a gate valve may sound crazy, but it's not. Um, yeah, I think when you look at it, because this includes Yeah.

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Because this 36,000 does include installation or is that just the pump with >> installation to include removal of slab, new slab, new chrome, ending your new check valve, provide start and training to new equipment, install labor mileage. >> Yeah, I was going to say that's

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typically normally ends up being roughly another >> $18 to $2,500. >> Well, we know we're going to need this thing for at least another minimum four years most likely. Yeah, >> we have what, a year and a half before they even break down possibly on the

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site. Then even once that's built, we have two more years that we have to maintain ours just to make sure everything's working properly. >> Yeah. >> So installation is above and beyond. You thought it's that's not part of the 36,000. >> It's turnkey. It's it includes the

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install, electrical install, mechanical install piping. >> This is everything plus 36,228 plus. The only thing that it does not include >> is if new >> addition they're going to know when they get in if it needs to be replaced that

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50. >> Okay. >> So we possibly won't have to spend the 1280 on each valve if not needed. >> Correct. But uh >> it's just in there that we that's what the cost would be if they need to do that. >> And they'll bring they'll just bring those with and if they use them they use

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them. If they don't they bring them back and we don't get charged. >> Yeah. I'd rather have them replace them at the time if they're needed to back out and get us to do that. Made no sense. >> We need to make a motion. >> It was It was pretty much he has to do this.

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>> Yep. It just feels like TN. He's doing it tomorrow. He's going to order it tomorrow because >> Do you need an order or vote or not? >> We don't. It's It's maintenance. It was It was So, you guys are well aware. So, if you get asked, you can explain it. >> Well, we have to have it. It's it's it's

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a necessity >> already. He's starting to >> So, what is he doing in the time being? Like >> he's going down there quite a bit to um >> clean it up. Do you clean out >> possibly? I don't know.

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>> It is. Um he's been down there a lot. >> All right. And it looks like he's going to look at a dump truck next week, maybe. It's come up. It's come available. >> Yeah. I tried to look at it yesterday, but I couldn't find it. So, >> that was one question I had. What happened to the dump truck we had? Did

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we get rid of it already? >> No, it's parked in the garage. >> In this in this garage? >> Oh, this garage. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Leave it all over the floor. >> We We already have funds set aside for the new one. Correct.

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>> 75,000. >> Okay. >> Up and beyond and outside. That's better than having zero and being a new. >> Do we know about what the new one may go? >> Brand brand new. >> No. No. What they typically auction for >> at auction. The last one went for I want

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to say like 49. >> Well, that's what the the guy bought it that turned around and tried to sell it to us for 90. We're trying to >> bypass that. >> So 75. >> So we're trying to buy it off of Gov deals basically, >> which is where the last dealership bought it for, which is then where we

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found out it's coming from. in prairie >> that was close. >> He's just trying to double his money on the auction. >> Probably either that or like Wisconsin surplus something. >> Yeah, if we got the money great. I mean,

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that's fantastic. >> Jason. >> All right, cool. Um, >> we saw the administrator. >> Yep. So the administrator, so I this whole internet I was reading this this whole internet charge reimbursement

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to council. I misspoke. It was the internet company for this other community. They >> oh >> wiped it. Not that we would pay for it. I would never expect it. But

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>> anyway, it was just something to think about. Um I see what you're saying. I guess I misunderstood it. >> Yeah, I misunderstood or misrepresented it. So, um >> I have things that have come up since

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then. So, when you're ready for them, I will let you know about the updated stuff. >> Well, it's your comment. So, you can >> Well, if you're reading the note, too. >> I I already read it. >> Okay. Well, I went to a government or I mean a

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management meeting at the government center in Goody County last week and they announced that all f all five cannabis licenses for good county are taken. So nobody can come to good the city and open up cannabis. All five licenses that they said that they would

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open up have all been spoken for. Um, North Central Sanitary Sewer District again made Representative Finstad's 2027 community project funding request list just like the call that you got in the last one. We're on next year's so

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hopefully we'll get some more money for that. >> Uh, the bill a bill was introduced at the capital to combine regional projects. Um we're all on a list and it right now if let's say goodie is the worst we'll get money but the other three communities won't they're

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introducing a bill to change that was ever highest all communities go up to the highest so it doesn't leave a community out so one community isn't getting money and the other three out of this north zero doesn't get funded they're trying to change that

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>> so it' be basically all the communities will get an even fair chunk that would go into yeah we would all be brought up to the worst case scenario and not get where we get funded and we move through and the other three don't. We would have to adjust.

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>> This bill would benefit all of us at this point. It would it puts us all at that worst. >> Believe it or not, Pine Island's higher than us. We would move up along with them if they got in >> because their flooding is >> they're way higher. They're the highest one of all us. >> So, what uh do you have the bill number?

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>> I don't. Elizabeth from Pine Island went and spoke on it, testified last week. >> So, they already heard it. It's making its way through. Hopefully, it'll get passed. Uh, County is working on new building permit system that will become an online

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process, not a paper. It's just just an FYI. It's going to flow where the applicants here as resident can go online, log in, and see where it's at. has passed the initial zoning approval and you'll see the progress so you'll know when it's done.

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>> And is that currently already in place now or soon to be? >> It's very soon. They've been um >> Okay. >> testing, data testing the whole process. um 390 in cleanup day receipts,

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30 total drop offs, 12 pickups, and $10 donation from the citywide cleanup last weekend. >> Is that up from the year before? >> It is >> in all aspects pre the day of and when >> did waste management they no questions

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asked picked up everything and >> plus a lot of electronics. That was impressive. >> There was a lot of TVs out there. >> Yeah, it was. It was also a full 18ft trailer of appliances picked up. >> I don't know. Was I supposed to take the bikes? I wasn't

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>> in the middle. >> Okay. It was one of those things. I was picking stuff up and I saw them like bikes and grills and I'm like, do I take those? Do I not? I'm like >> the kids just couldn't get it into the >> Okay. >> There were a couple nice bikes.

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>> The manor was contacted and did respond. Let me the manor management was contacted and did respond. They'll be working on a shelter plan to get to meet her again next week. Uh Taylor is coming back next year to work in public works.

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Taylor to uh pool update 11 full-time lifeguards have been hired along with five subs. Lesson sign update will be May 19th and I just pushed that out on all the platforms from 3:30 to 6:00 at city hall. right here. >> So, we're fully staffed them for

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>> Perfect. Great. >> And does everyone have like the qualifications that are required or do they have to get Yeah, >> the the people who get reert we do them, but they have to be certified for the first time if they're brand new and then if they're here for two years, they get that reimburse. They have to work two

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seasons. >> Okay. >> But they have to have it before they start. >> Gotcha. >> That is a motivating factor for some of those gals that have to have it. Um they like to be able to do their research through here. Mhm. >> And I'm like, "Sure, if you're going to work here, like, heck yeah." >> Yeah. >> That's an easy win for everybody.

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>> That's it. Most of those things came from the meeting last week. >> I just hope that it's open a lot this year. >> I'm looking forward to positives this year. Um Maya has really

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taken the reigns. >> She She's been impressive so far. >> Cool. I have one question on your report that's written. I guess the tree thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm just confused by it. So >> yeah. >> Can you So So okay, so the field

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northwest corner. >> So it's the town. >> Okay. Aka license. >> I'm sorry. >> License don't own the property. Okay. No, whatever. Whoever owns it. Um do

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they want it to plant trees? >> No. We planted trees on their land. They want $200 >> per tree. >> Per tree per year. And how many trees are there? >> It hasn't been determined yet. He estimated about nine, but Jason hasn't been there to get the marker to see how

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many of it were. >> When were the trees planted? >> A a while ago because there was snow issues coming into the back of the um town homes. So that was a whole line of trees were planted >> to try to like stop the snow.

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and they went too far. >> And he initially he he contacted us, he got a letter that had nothing to do with it, but then he realized there was some trees over there. So he came in, we sat and discussed them, him and his wife came to an agreement and

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the very next day he called and said, "No, I'm going to charge you." >> We they were going to let us keep them there. I mean, it is his property, I guess, to to make that decision. >> And and Jason and Todd can do it. Uh, it had to dry up because when he came, it

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was after that rain that he came. >> So, it has to dry up. They can do it. Uh, but they have to find markers to see how many there is. And they can put a snow fence up to replace the trees. So, the people on that end don't get

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>> responsibility to put up a fence there. Is that our is that the home? It it it's it's not the city's responsibility, but at the same time with cuz I live there, we get he lives down there, too. It drifting is bad.

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>> So, I think also I think >> I get what you're saying like are we going above and beyond to where we shouldn't be. I think I also look at is if the drifting >> because I look at how it drifts around between my house and through my my house and my neighbors. If it's drifting up

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onto the streets, it's now a public safety hazard. >> So, I I get what you're saying and we go above and beyond our duty, but at the same time, I would worry about the drifting if we didn't have it on the roadways now making it large additional

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hazard. I don't know. >> So, we've planted the trees on the property to try to eliminate and it sounds like we did this years ago. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Like are we talking like 5 years ago, 10 years ago? >> No, these trees were put out there

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>> prior to me moving here. So probably >> So are we just going to end up >> 2012? >> Jason and Todd can't do that. >> Are they just going to cut them off? >> Then they're going to grind them down, stack them up so they don't have to pull them all the way to the burn pile. They're going to burn them back there.

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>> But you may hear that something >> going on with all those trees. >> And you're going to see city guys out there working on it. So, are we notifying those homeowners why we have to cut those down? >> I guess we could uh >> like like if we're going to do the fire or burn pile, that probably would be a

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good idea to say this is the project that we're doing back here during this time and this time. This is what we >> send a few months before. Yeah. When the time comes. Yes. >> Well, part of me says do it now so that those people can have a conversation with their neighbor.

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Change his art maybe. Is it going to be coming in the next month, two months? I mean, we don't we really don't when particularly. >> Yeah. Does Jason have an idea on what he's doing this for? >> Does he have I'm sorry. Does he have an idea why he might

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>> He does not. That's just it. Uh when I spoke to him, I said when it dries out and we can find the markers for the the um lot to make sure we're only removing the ones that aren't, that's when it'll get done. And the homeowner or the owner of the land said

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>> it's pretty dry now. >> It's pretty wet out wet for the next two years. >> So that's where that left off. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. We probably give maybe a notice to the residents or town

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page wherever we typically do a notice that this is what's going to happen. So if you see a large fire, a lot of smoke, that's the reason for it, you know, and that way people are calling the fire department for a for a fire that the city's doing. >> So that's how that

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>> So we're going to put up I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on this. We're going to put up a snow fence that we're going to have to put up and put down every year. Maybe, >> maybe, >> maybe. It depends where the wood trees where. >> Are we going to wait to see where the roads get snowed in and then seed to put

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up a snow fence if needed to help Jason? >> I think that's good. We should >> Yeah, because I mean, I can tell you what, it gets real nice at my place, too. And I would love for the city to come put snow fence in for me, but I want it out in the spring because it's an eyesore. >> So, we're going to maintain snow

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fencing. >> I guess it depends on if it affects those houses having those trees at the end removed. I don't know. >> I think our only concern >> concern is the city's the street ability

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to keep that clear. I mean otherwise we can't we can't >> can't put up snow fence just for a homeowner. >> Yeah. >> Well, and and typically I mean I can speak down there. Typically we the snow gets pushed into the empty lot >> and it usually like this year I mean it

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was at one point 10 12 feet high so we didn't get a whole lot of drifting there >> and then they all push it down to the end of Fifth Avenue >> but they have to keep it somewhat clear because there was a fire hydrant down there. Well, that last corner town home,

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there's nothing there, so it'll come up and into her driveway, which, you know, not our problem, but um I hate to say it like that, but >> I totally am game for if you have something where we're pushing someone, displacing something, like let's do it

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there. But when it comes to we just got to be careful. >> I mean, I think I guess I would personally say don't put up anything this year just to see how >> Yeah. assess it first and then see what is required or needed, I guess. >> Yeah, it's windy up there no matter what man.

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>> Yeah, back community. Everything's windy. >> I know. >> I'm still trying to figure out where these trees are. >> Yeah, >> cuz >> are they pine trees? >> They're a mixture of everything. So,

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>> that's important. >> Council comments. Um, I guess the only thing I just want to bring up is we're going to have Bob change a couple of those things, correct? Like the 10 for 10 for the amend. Uh, the 4.3 4.4 for the 810 for

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large purchases. >> Get the map would be nice. I mean, just a geographical Google map is fine with the red line. And then I think he was just going to amend the minor stuff with >> knowing that he was appear to be sitting in a car. We'll be sending him.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I just want to make sure that's the information that's going to him. So >> Bob and Bob can discuss it. We're not going to hear anything until Bob. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's how we're not receiving these different >> I'm sure we're going to see a different

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version at the joint powers, but we'll just say like >> the council itself won't see it until we know Bob has already basically. >> Yeah. >> I guess uh one thing I do have a question and I wasn't able to find it on the website. We have a ordinance about dogs

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at large. Correct. >> We do. Yes. >> There's a notice on the door. >> And then we also have a notice about picking up your own dog poop. Right. Now, my question is is I already know the answer to it, but the enforcement is

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through Goodyu County. Correct. I thought according to the ordinance it would be somebody that could be through the city would be >> the the at large or the poop. >> Yes. >> The at large you do call good call.

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>> Are they kennel like they are? So, so this is this is where not saying I have the issue, but this is where I'd like to bring it up is so there is a resident near me who consistently has their um it's either a

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Belgian Malinaw or a German Shepherd, I'm not sure, that continues to get out and is very aggressive. >> He chased my nephew down the street, >> a black dog, >> like a German Shepherd looking thing. >> Yeah. And so I've called Goody County

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several times about this dog and I have now stated every time that it is coming from XYZ house. >> Um the residents just know not to answer the door. I'm not going to try to catch his dog because it has quite literally ran at a

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neighbor and her daughter. Um, do we have, and this may be the sheriff's department question, but like is there anything we can do? >> We were instructed to have them call because we had this when you put that up a year ago on the door about dogs that

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because we acquest you >> and that's what we were told to do is call have them call dispatch. >> And dispatch would send somebody out here. They would attempt to find the owner. If they didn't find the owner or make any >> contact >> contact then they would take it to uh

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>> humane society >> bluff. >> Yeah in red but like so like for this instant you know the dog I literally like was on the phone with dispatch and the lady was like our officers in route they're leaving township or something like that. So they

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weren't far but they weren't in town either. Um, so it was one of those things where, you know, and I'm like, "Oh, wait. I see the dog. Yep. The owner just took it in. Here's the house. I don't know the address, but >> here's where I am. Here's the house." >> And >> so, Michael, I Oh, sorry.

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>> Came up when >> I could watch the sheriff like walk up to the door, knock on it. No one answered because >> it's a sheriff. >> It's a sheriff. And then the sheriff knock on it again and call and say, "We couldn't make any contact." I'm like, I

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just watched the person grab the dog 2 minutes ago and their same cars are there. Unless they walked out the back door and ran away, they're in the house. Understandably, it's not like they have ex they can't do anything more. I get it. >> And and and an ICR was

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made for that. So anytime they go So you know once you get a certain amount of them I mean it'll periods weight but it stinks that you have to do that. I mean years ago we had an issue on our street

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and we called and called and called and called and nothing happened and then all of a sudden we called and they came out and actually did something about it which was really really good. But um yeah, it's just

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>> history needs to be created. >> I I would say if you see it, you video it as some kind of type of evidence showing the dog is on the loose. It's not controlling. >> I mean, at least then there's some kind of evidence trail for later on. I mean,

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that's the best I could say for evidence-wise for the city or sheriff when they decide to want to ticket them or whatever it is. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they got the city or county attorney or whoever is going to have that video footage show. >> And then the other there was another

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thing that came up um at the flower committee. Um it was the dogs pooping in our flower beds. >> It's it's lovely and I don't I don't know how you fix it. Um it was one thing again. Can we put something in the flyer

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reminding people that we literally give them free dog poop bags and the garbage to put their dog poop in? >> Yeah, those things are fantastic. I take my dog for a long >> I always carry bags with me, but it's nice to have a little trash bag, you know, little trash can everywhere I go to dump it.

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>> So, also it is very ironic. Um, it's the bed right here. >> The same bed. >> It's the same. And and the best part is the trash bag and the make trash bag holder is right there. >> The same

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>> literally feet apart. The problem is is this individual has no care. Yet when the spouse takes this dog out, they pick it up every time. So >> it's just I'm sorry.

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>> It's not a small dog. Let's just say that. >> No, I've I've seen it around too. or not just dog, but just the droppings of other dogs and it's like it's not that hard to just pick it up and >> yeah. So, >> thank you.

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>> Okay, so this might be a little snarky of me, but for 10 bucks, you can buy little signs on Amazon. Do we stick one in that bed as a city? >> Don't poop in our >> Please clean up after your dog. >> Okay, I was going another way. There's

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some more funny ones on here, but um maybe for when we know we have a problem area. >> Are they Are they like fluorescent pink? Like super bright? >> They're white and green, but they're bright white. They're big. I mean, they're not little. >> Can we put like solar lights around

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them? >> I literally think we have some of those in parks. >> There are there are some that I see posted that say your dog that we do have in the parks over here that >> they they they may just appear one day. Yeah, true of that public property.

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>> This this small little tidbit Jason had just inquired about possibly putting a security camera behind public workshop due to issues back there to be able to to because they cleaned it up. Todd and Jason and so I I did get pricing on it.

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We haven't done anything about it. Uh the most important piece of putting the security camera on the back there to catch said >> individuals >> individuals um is the electrician part of it is more expensive because it has to run all the way to the other sides

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Jason's computer is not that much. It's electricity um >> are we able to do a wireless one >> to get it on our network? I was going to say we're we're trying to tie all of it together to be >> Jason's phone as it's happening.

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>> Well, and and we did I'm sorry. We did this in the past where we've had issues like this and that was the specific reason why our police department at the time went out and got a certain amount of

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game cams that were connected to the cellular network, >> which we should still have them in that room because I don't ever remember getting rid of them. But and you get like some of them

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Spy Point. I know you get like a hundred free photos. Not that that would matter, but you can get as many. That's just sent to your phone, but you can get pulled the card out of all of them and you can put it on the edge of the building and see. >> So, we still have those cameras. Is that

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something we could do and try it just temporarily? >> We do not. >> We do not have those cameras anymore. >> Do we know where they went? They got sold to the gentleman that came and took all the surplus stuff of um shortly. It

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was shortly after I started. >> I thought he just bought the fire. I guess that was part of the whole Okay, never mind. >> So, yes, you can buy those cameras for

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about $70, maybe $120. >> So, can I ask what we have going on back there? Do we have kids back there? Do we have adults back there vandalizing? >> It wasn't vandalizing. >> Dogs pooping and it's a lot of dog poop. But the individual dog I think we're

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both talking about is not small. Um you could you could call this dog a small bear. >> Okay. >> The the thinking that Jason had was there are some sometimes suspicious things happening in the park. We get something there to see the park also as

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well as a trail as well as the >> glory spot. >> You win some, you lose some is my theory. >> A couple of couple of issues. >> Yeah, I save those game up there.

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You don't have to catch them in the moment. You just need to catch them. So, >> because how much is it to run electricity to that? >> I don't know. Um, >> well, the quote that we got from Chris from Redmond computer, it was $1,000

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because it had to go around the shed the shop into Jason's computer and then he could see it on his phone. He'd be alerted there. >> I don't want to spend that kind of >> They have I mean, and that's just to tie it into ours. There's other ways to put

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a camera up to where you don't have to and that's with like cameras that take batteries and then you can connect a solar to it and it's literally >> plugging something into the corner of their shop and it's all stored

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>> pretty much same thing I have in my house which is a solar powered camera that >> records not only on my phone I get but there's a chip inside that camera >> which is the same thing I have I mean I use blink But yeah, many different ways to keep the

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price down, but um yeah. All right. Anybody else got anything? >> I do not. Um public comment speak now. Hold your piece. All right. Motion to adjurnn. >> Make a motion. >> I'll second that.

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>> All in favor? >> Motion fet. Thanks everybody. >> Don't leave with that sign. >> I know. >> You You seem very eager just to get up and around. >> I know. I don't want to be here.

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anymore. >> Did you have any issues with the drone? >> H >> Did you have any issues with the drone? >> No. Hello focus.