All right, we will um call the meeting or reconvene the meeting. We had a close session earlier um and we will reconvene the regular board meeting from for October 7th. Please
join me in the pledge of allegiance. All right. Are there any disclosures of interest? Hearing none. Previous board meeting minutes from September 16th. A motion to approve the minutes. Second. Been moved and seconded. We approve the
minutes from September 16th. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. All the same. And just um for the public's notice, county administrator is online. Correct.
All right. He's not. That is correct. All right. Thank you. Uh review the agenda and we have a couple of changes. First, I'll go to Andrea. Um, yes. We'd like to add number eight to the 10
consent agenda and it would be approve the Northland Grading LLC settlement agreement. That's what the closed session was about earlier with our county attorney. Okay. Any other additions? Yes,
Linda. I would like to reconsider um something that we voted on at the last meeting and this comes from public
works and it has to do with um Mr. Bcher's property and there were numerous violations that came up
since that meeting. um to our notice and I would like to consider reopening that. So you want to add that to old business under old business. All right. Okay. Yes. All right. We we'll add that. Um
discussion on Josh Ber's uh permit. Um anything else? Not. Is there a motion to approve the amended agenda? So moved. Second. and move and seconded. Do we approve the um agenda um
uh amended agenda? Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say I. I. I. Oppos. Consent agenda. Now there are eight items on there since we added the one about um Northland grading.
Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Second. Been moved and seconded. We approve the consent agenda with eight items. Any further disc Oh, there's no discussion. All those in favor say I. I. Oppose the same. Motion carries. And we
are on to probably the highlight uh of this meeting 4 week proclamation. Um Ally, you you want to come forward? Happy National 4 week. Um we're really excited to be here again this year. Um
have our youth read the proclamation. Uh I'm Ally Kleenner. This is uh Amanda Gart. And we have with us four representatives from our uh 4 program in Goodw County. We have Eddie Winters who's our current council president, two
members of our county ambassador team, Dan and Brent Carpenter, and a member from our general livestock project bowl and livestock judging team, Kendra Nzer, who will come forward. Hello everyone. As um Ally stated, my
name is Edward Winters. I'm from the Zoma Busybees and I've been in 4 now for the last 10 years. Some outcomes have come out of the um Goodyu County 4 program is that the Goody County Extension Department works to create a healthy, thriving, and
equitable community for all. Extension does this by bringing motans together to build a better future through university science-based knowledge, expertise, and training. Extension is the front door to the university of for the university for all
motans providing tools to build the future they envision more than 1 million people are reached annually by the extension education in the 2024 2025 program year 1 youth kindergarten through one year past high school were
enrolled members in the good county for good county is consistently ranked in the top four counties in the state for enrollment The annual 4 youth outcome survey distributed in the fall of the 2020 of fall of 2024 to goody county members
indicated the following. 100% of youth who participated in 4 can now work with others to achieve a goal. 100% of youth also can actively listen to what others have to say. 94% of youth enjoyed learning. And finally, 99% of youth felt
like they are they belonged. Thank you. My name is Brent Carpenter. I'm from the Clodale Club uh for the resolution. Whereas 4 is America's largest youth development organization supporting nearly 6 million youth across the
country. And whereas 4 has helped 1,01 youth in Goodyu County in the 2024 2025 program year to become more confident, independent, resil resilient, and compassionate leaders. And
my name is Kendra Nisser. Um I'm part of the Belvadier Happy Golies and I've been in for 13 years. Whereas 4 is delivered by cooperative extension, a community of more than 100 public university universities across the nation that provides experiences where young people
learn by doing through hands-on projects in the important areas of health, science, agriculture, and civic engagement. And whereas 4 is the largest youth organization in Minnesota and Good Hugh County has one of the largest 4 programs in the state with methods backed by university research. 4 offers
impact or excuse me for offers opportunity for youth to learn how to solve problems, make decisions, and communicate ideas. And uh my name is Daniel Carpenter. I'm from the Cloverdale 4 club. I've been in 4 years.
Whereas national 4 week showcases the incredible ways that 4 inspires kids to do and highlights the remarkable 4 youth in Goodyu County who work each day to make a positive impact on those around them provide opportunities and experiences connections and discoveries
shaping youth into their true and authentic selves. And whereas 4's network of nearly 500,000 volunteers and 3,500 professionals providing provides caring and supportive mentoring to all 4ers, helping them to grow into true
leaders, entrepreneurs, and visionaries. Now therefore, Goodwill County Board of Commissioners do hereby claim October 5th through 11th, 2025 as National 4 week throughout good good county and encourage all of our citizens to recognize 4 for the significant impact they have made and continue to make by
empowering youth with the skills they need to lead for a lifetime. Thank you. Can I move the resolution forward? I'd like to make a motion to move the resolution forward. I will second that.
Okay. Move and seconded that we move the resolution forward as presented by our 4 members. Just have to say driving around Goodyu County the last couple of weeks and seeing all the signs about join 4 all over this county is amazing. It is
really truly countywide and it really truly does serve youth. The other thing I will say is I just got yesterday I think it's called the country acre paper and it highlighted 4ers from all across southeast Minnesota
and probably the most significant thing is when you read what they've learned it's cooperation it's communication it's hard work gets you you know gets you somewhere and if you don't succeed keep doing hard work and you keep going and
public speaking and it is what 4 really brings forward with kids and and youth and it develops leaders and you are excellent speakers all of you. I appreciate that and I just Good County has done a really good job with this
program. We continue to do a good job and impressive that we had excess of 200 that competed at the state level this year. That's kind of an impressive number out
of out of this group of youth. So go ahead. I just wanted to congratulate all of you that that Good Hugh County is in the top four counties of Minnesota for enrollment. That is very very impressive and that I think is attributed much to
the leadership of the 4 here in Good Hugh County. So congratulations to all of you and thank you so much for the work that you have put into it. Any other comments? Otherwise uh on the resolution all those in favor say I.
I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much. Thank you for being here. I said it'd be the highlight of the meeting and I think I'm right. All right. Um, land use management
commissioners. The first item under consideration from land use is to consider a request submitted by Eric Ryan, who is the property owner, to allow for the construction of a new manure storage pit that is proposed to store up to 3.1 million gallons of
manure. Um, the property is located at 23933 County 9 Boulevard, Good Hume, Minnesota. Included with your agenda materials is a copy of the application submitted by Mr. Ryan site maps prepared
by land use staff. Uh the draft meeting minutes from the September planning advisory commission meeting and a copy of an email that was submitted um to county staff um from the soil and water conservation district um that was read
and submitted as part of the testimony at the planning commission meeting. Um as I mentioned, this property is located just off of County 9 Boulevard. It is located in an A1 agricultural protection district. Uh it's located within Good Hugh Township and the township has
signed off on the application for conditional use. The planning commission, as I mentioned earlier, uh held their public hearing on September 15th and they are forwarding a unanimous recommendation of approval to the county board to recommend approval
of the manure storage pit. Um the pit itself would be approximately 415 feet in length by 218t wide by approximately 10 feet deep. Um this uh design is professionally
engineered. It is concrete lined. The plans are included um in your packet. Um it is generally considered um by the planning commission and soil and water and staff as to be an upgrade and an improvement to the way manure storage is
handled on um the county's feed lots. Um with that there are proposed findings of fact that are listed in the staff report and there are some pretty standard conditions that are being recommended. Nothing out of the ordinary. These are all standard
conditions for um a fixed to any conditional use that gets issued with a feed lot. Um so with that um the recommendation is to excuse me adopt the staff report into the record accept the testimony um that was submitted and
again there was no one that spoke at the public hearing. The only testimony submitted really was correspondence from soil and water. Um recommend and then recommend that the county board of commissioners approve the conditional use permit to allow the construction of
a new manure storage pit. Um with that, if there are any questions, um I'm here to answer them. Questions from the board. I'll move approval of the planning commission recommendation with the finding of fact and the conditions. Second
moved and seconded we approve the conditional use permit and use the findings of fact and the materials we've been given for approval. Any further discussion hearing? None. All those in favor say I.
I. Same. Motion carries. Next item purchase agreement of selling out lot A. All right. Uh, this agenda item last appeared before you in July of this year when the board voted to authorize staff
to proceed with the sale of Outlot A as part of the Lake Bilsby West Plat. The land is currently owned by Good Hugh County. Um, we are now asking the county board to enter into a purchase agreement with the property owners, Mr. and Mrs. Robertson following the same procedure
that was used approximately two years ago when the county board sold all the surrounding um waterfront lots along in this neighborhood. Just to provide some background, one of the thing one of the main things that
had to transpire between July and now was that the property owner did have to prepare a plat. um the property that the Robertsons own plus the property that the county owns um are being combined into one lot and the only way to do that
when you have two platted properties from two different subdivisions is to essentially replplat the whole area. Um so in this case the means in which the county is approving that plat is through what's called an administrative plat. A copy of that plat is included in the
staff report. So you can see kind of the lot dimensions and the the area that we're talking about, but it really does just replplat one lot. Um so there's just one subject property. Um the county there's a lot of signatures on the plat. Um so the county um the chair of the uh
county board will have to sign the plat um along with the county land surveyor um the county recorder, a whole list of whole list of people. Um let's see. A couple other things to note here is that um the purchase agreement
as drafted does reflect the $700 sale price. There is a $100 um essentially earnest money uh deposit that has been already paid. We will collect the remainder of the amount at closing. closing is scheduled for tomorrow or
soon thereafter um whenever all the signatures can be um obtained on the plat. The bank does need to sign um so the lender essentially that has the mortgage for the Robertson's property does need to sign the plat as well. Um
we do not have that in hand yet today um but it's been um indicated by the prop by the Robertsons that they were able to obtain that approval from their lender. So with that, um the recommendation is to enter into a purchase agreement, approve the sale, um and then to
acknowledge and approve the um the replat of the lot. Move to approve. Second. Moved and seconded. We approve the purchase agreement the and accept the plat
sell the property. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. I. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. It's been 10 years 11 years in the working. We're done with that now. All
right. Sheriff's Office request to order 26 squads in 25. Mr. Chair, commissioners, the good thing is I'm not ordering 26 squads. Right. Well, we are uh planning on ordering
eight squad cars for 2026. uh the window for these dealerships opened. Um as you know they they close within month generally. Um it's quite a actually competitive process for for us to get in
and order these early. We've done this in the past um just because they open the year before and we uh are allowed to spend that money in 2026 which by the way all of these vehicles are currently in the capital plan.
Um, but this got I usually this is on the consent agenda, but of course we're in the budget process, so we are bringing it here for your approval. Um, I could read it all, but it's in front of you. Those vehicles total $378,
$378,90. And I'll stand for any questions. Questions? Motion also move. Second. Move and seconded we order early these squad cars. Well, order them on time
maybe. Yeah, right. 426. Any further discussion. Those in favor say I. I. I. Carries. Thank you. Thank you. you have some reports. Um, but I just
have to go back just so we note it. I didn't do it earlier. Um, the final in consent agenda the final bridge maintenance. I think it listed Fitzgerald in the in the report, but
it's actually Redstone in the resolution. And it was Redstone that we did do that work with, not Fitzgerald. It was just a a miss in the in the report that it was. But just so that gets corrected and is accurate that the
it is redstone that we approved that um final payment contract payment with. Correct. Correct. Yep. The resolution is is correct. All right. Thank you. All right. And then you have some monthly finance
reports and staffing report. And Jess, do you just want to talk us through that county one signal just what I saw they're digging out there today or yesterday and made some we can move forward with something
different than what we thought before. Yep. So, uh, where we're at today is a a little bit further along than the report that we wrote. um just because new things have happened. Um we've been working with uh insurance to ensure that
we follow a process uh that we can recover um some of the dollars that we're going to be spending on on this uh repairs needed for the signal. Um, so we were able to authorize, we had gone through a quote process, received a
couple quotes and were able to uh award uh a quote to Egan companies and um our staff was out to do some concrete sidewalk removals. So when Egan is available uh
early next week, they'll be able to start uh without having to do additional work that would take time. So are they turning the signal back? No, they're going to need to take the entire signal system down. Not all four
parts of it, just just the one that was damaged. They'll take that down. Um and some of the um some of the elements on there need to be replaced due to the damage that was caused. The pedestal that the signal is on um was deemed um
unsafe uh because the whole signal system had spun at almost a 45 degree angle from its original location. So they'll have to remove that existing pedestal and
then um pour new concrete for that. And then the signal the the parts that are being repaired will be blasted, primed, and painted um before being put back up because the paint system had been failing. And then
there'll be some additional work um down the road a ways. It'll probably in be in the winter time when we we get to reinstalling the there's a a street light that attaches to the top of the signal system. Um but parts for that the
replacement parts are out several weeks. So that won't be repaired immediately. But the signal system should be completed uh hopefully before the end of October. Uh so it's going to be a little flurry of activity here to start next week and then there'll be uh a period of
time where they're getting the um the signal repainted and and ready to be reinstalled. So good. Go ahead. And this is being handled I see on here through insurance companies. I'm assuming it's the trucks insurance
company you're dealing with. You're correct. Yeah. And then project status reports. And then old business, the one we added. I have new business, too. Old or new? Yeah, I have both. All right. New business. I
would like to commend the sheriff's department for an arrest that was made um September 3rd. And this is in regards to um child sex abuse and child or child
prostitution and child exploitation. Having spent my adult career in that field, I am so aware of how it can so distort a self-image and that damage can
go on for generations. So, I am very appreciative to the sheriff's department for everything that you did on that case. Thank you. Old business. Old business. I would like to
bring forth the betard driveway um again and revisit it. Don't know exactly. So, you're going to move to reconsider. I would like to move to reconsider the
beter driveway um situation that we had voted on at the last meeting. Second. I'll second and I will abstain from that because I was not a on the prevailing side. So the
motion is to reconsider that action taken at a previous meeting. Any discussion? Go ahead. All right. This has to do with new information that came forth from public works and so so all we're doing is going to say
are we going to take it back up. That's all we're doing right now. We can have the discussion about what happened when we if we're going to take action. So all the anybody else on Okay. All those in favor of reconsidering say I.
I. I. All those opposed say I. I. I abstain. So 31 and one uh it is up for reconsideration now take action on that.
All right. I would like to reconsider it from information that came forth from public works. Um one that Mr. Betra did not wait until it
was finally approved before he started working on the driveway. The culvert side that it was complete by the time um public works went out to look at it. The culvert size that was
put in was not the accurate size. Um it appears as if there might be um potential zoning violations and I would like it to be reconsidered.
Does that mean that question for Steve? What's the proper process change the action we took? I Well, I think you have a a couple options to choose from. And I was out last week when a lot of this discussion
was going on, so Miss Kuster is in the audience as well to to help me if I say anything wrong. She knows she'll come up and uh correct me. But uh so I think the board has a couple options. And one is a motion to resend the previous motion which would basically overturn the
board's or potentially overturn the board's previous action if the if the board chooses that would require a a supermajority vote of the board. Um in order to do that for that motion to be successful to resend. Um there are other
options as well which would basically would uh reverse the board's previous decision on that motion approving the driveway access. The other option would be to amend to make a motion to amend the previous motion. Again in thinking
through that I'm not sure what that motion to amend would be in order to correct the issues that miss uh the commissioner Flanders has mentioned. Um so that might not be as useful. Other option for the board is to simply now that it's been uh the motion to
reconsider has been approved is to put this on a future agenda item allow staff to do some additional investigative work. It seems to me that a lot of the some of the information that the board might want in order to consider a motion to uh resend
is not available right now. And I don't believe that either land use or the highway department have had an opportunity to speak to the land owner about these issues that have come up. And I don't I'm not looking in the audience right now. I I don't see him here as well. The board may want to give
that person an opportunity to address these issues um to kind of fulfill or complete the record so to speak before a decision is made on a motion to resend. the issues that are coming up will be addressed somewhat through the
permitting process that highway has to do in order to have the the driveway built correctly. They'll have to approach the land owner, talk to them about those issues before the permit is issued, give instructions on how to correct it. Um so that I think those issues will be addressed through that
process. And same with the land use um concerns as well. Any variance or any problems with the zoning ordinance with regard to the use of that property would be addressed through that process as well. And I know land use will be dealing with that. So ultimately whether
or not he comes into compliance or not or whether or not there are issues um for those departments to address that will have to be fleshed out um through further investigation and and discussions with this property owner. Um, in the meantime, um, like I said,
the board does have those options to choose, um, at this point. And I think that answer your questions, maybe it doesn't, but I I think your ultimately your options are either to continue the consideration to the next morning to get more information. There
is a motion to resend that's available to the board to resend the previous action and basically with pulled the board's um consent for the driveway access which would essentially I believe require the property owner to then reapply
uh for that um access and uh present additional information to the board as required. the board can certainly instruct the land owner as to what information um they're concerned about and would like him to address.
I I wondered what the downside would be to giving the staff and the owner more time to talk this through. And during that time, if we put this on an, you know, maybe the next meeting, I would assume that he couldn't go forward with
doing anything. Is that correct? Or is that not correct? Well, I think one of the problems is he already has built it wasn't up to code. So, as I understood it, he had to Well, maybe I'm not understanding it correctly, but take that covert out and basically start over.
Correct. And those discussions, my understanding and maybe m Mr. Greenwood could address that to the board what the process is for him issuing the permit but he has not issued a permit yet. So the work has been done without a permit issued without instruction as to how that design work is supposed to be done. So, in essence, I would I would
suggest that the board wants to consider this at a future board meeting is to delay issuing that permit until the board has a chance to consider it. And then land use and highway could have some discussions with the property owner about these issues and allow him an opportunity perhaps come into the board
and and address some of those issues to you all. And would we need to take action other than putting it on a future agenda to delay the action? Do we need to? I don't think so. Okay. Thank you. I think uh basically it would be just an instruction and I think that's going to
it's going to take some time to get that process done anyway. I don't see an issue with delaying issuing of the permit unless uh there's some other something I'm missing and Jess can tell me I'm missing something. our our standard process would be to wait um I mean through that variance
process um we would we instructed the the property owner to um not do any work until the meeting minutes were approved from the meeting that was had today. From there we would uh issue uh an
approved permit with the variance attached and the special provisions that would govern how the driveway was to be built. um and then follow a normal process of um checking back in with the land owner, making sure that the driveway was built appropriately and
eventually signing off on that driveway and moving forward. In this case, um with the landowner having already built the driveway, um depending on board action today, I mean, we will still be in communication with the land owner. We're going to have
to notify him of um irregularities with what he did versus what our provisions are for um building a driveway correctly. Um the the only challenge coming up here with time
is going to be the weather and you know what can or can't be done. So beyond that, there'll be conversations with land use and and how the land is going to be, you know, used by Mr. Bcher. Um and and whether or not that's
going to generate a different type of traffic that we'd have to consider for the roadway uh and and um people using the roadway. I be part of the discussion. Good. I'm glad. Well, there's just a few
things that that that bother me is one. Um the board was not really permit was asked for a agricultural access for agricultural use
but it appears that that's not what it's going to be used for. Someone's applied to the Secretary of State to get a business license that's been approved. one's putting on Facebook that they're going to operate a business out of
there. That's not been that's not gone through planning commission. That's not I mean I could be I could be convinced that we could just delay this. But if we said it's going to be at the next meeting,
there's no way they'll get through planning commission. There's no way they'll get through anything going forward. So, my gut says you're not going to tell us the truth of what you're doing or what appears to be
the truth of what you're doing, then I have a problem. We're challenged as commissioners to uphold the ordinances of this county and it appears the ordinance wasn't followed and it appears the ordinance we didn't get accurate
information from the from the person the first time. So my gut reaction is to rescend it and say no to the variance, go through the process with planning commission and come back when you have something that's approved, an approved
use for what you're planning to do, and then we can talk about what that driveway looks like. Just delaying that with putting it on a future agenda. I think you're out to December or maybe even January before it gets through that
whole process in land use and gets back to us. So, I have a problem with leaving it linger that long. Um, so my gut reaction is to rescend it right now and then you can come back. There's no limit. They could come back
in a month for it with accurate information if we rescend it. If we revoke it, they got to wait like six months is my understandings. Yeah, I'm I'm not familiar with that, Commissioner. So, that's my that's where I'm at. So,
take that for what it's worth. So, I'll ask you of putting you on the spot again and maybe with help from Aaron. But if I as I understood resend, we could take that up again at any time. And as I understood revoke, we couldn't. And maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I
understood it like Brad did. So, if we resend it, that keeps him from doing anything more with the driveway now, but it doesn't prevent him from going forward with a conditional use permit for his business and it doesn't prevent
him from coming back at any time to re-request the driveway variance. Is that correct? That would be my understanding. Yes. So that quite clearly puts the driveway on hold but allows him to go forward
with everything that he's trying to do and come back and ask us about it. Right. Other than the fact I mean the the complicating issue here is that the driveway is in. So that's going to have to be addressed one way or the other. Either corrected so it meets standards or two removed.
And if the board decides to resend the previous approval for this driveway, I'm wondering if that means he has to remove it. Um I see. I see. So that that's a complication that it was involved in here. And Todd on that CUP had nothing to do with the
business. The cup it just was a driveway. I mean, that's the first I heard about it when I received that email. I mean, I I just I feel bad that we didn't get all the information up front, you I mean, it I still maybe would have voted for it, but I I I just feel it it it wasn't done
the right way. I don't want everybody across the county just saying, "No, no, just go build it and then we deal with it later." I mean, we we can't have that. I mean, we have our expensive when that's the process. We we have our ordinances in place and that's what we have to do. We do have to follow and it's frustrating, you know, and I mean, this, like I say, this might
actually work out in the end and everything will be fine, but it's not done properly. And I think we do have to follow that. We have to pull out the covert no matter what. Yes. It's not the right size. Yep. It's sized incorrectly. Y
which is going to I mean that's going to take a lot of work, right? In and of itself. So there's already essentially the driveway would be unusable without a covert in there.
Correct. words wishes. Yeah. Comment sometimes there's called a cart and a horse and you guys might be putting it all together. So whether he was we approved to drive I don't know what the difference between if you were going to run a business an agricultural driveway. It's a driveway on a property.
It's not unusual. It's not un unprecedented that we put an additional driveway to serve our property because we pay taxes on it. We can do it. Does he specifically know he had to have a conditional use permit to do his business? Maybe. Maybe not.
I can fix cars at my house. Do I have a conditional use permit? No. Do I need one? Maybe. Depends how carried away I get. I can sell artwork out of my house. Do I need a conditional use permit? Did you do I? I don't know. So, that's
one thing. Does he specifically know? Is he aware of it? Yes. Should he have done it? Maybe. Yes. Does he know? Do you guys know? Did he know? I don't know. It's an agriculture. I'm speaking. Please just relax for a second. Does he know? Did he follow that process? I don't know. It's an agricultural driveway to an agricultural property.
Did he follow the planning commission or the direct that? No. He's aware of it. Is he going to do it? Yes. Okay. So, the driver was put in. How many of you folks knew that we approved the permit, but the permit's not valid until we approve the minutes? I tell you, get the permit in your hand.
It's not valid. Yeah. But did any of you guys get the impression, because I sure didn't, that public works was working well with this taxpayer to get his driveway in to function his farm or his business, whatever he's planning on doing. Did you get that impression? Cuz I sure didn't.
So, when you get a permit approved at the board and you contact public works and say, "Can you come get this sized right? Can you come to get the culvert to get it figured out?" They said, "No, not come until you get the minutes
approved." To me, if I was him and I was him, I'd say, "They're just jerking me around again. They were not helpful in trying to get this done. They're just jerking me around." Why? Because they can. They felt they could. Is that what
he felt? Yes. So, what does he do? What other people would do? Same thing I would have done. Whatever. Call my contractor. we're going to put it in because we're not, you know, fine, you come out and they do it. So, what did they do? They came out on the 23rd. Well, why come out on the 23rd if they
didn't approve the minutes? I don't know. It's a convoluted cluster. So, you've got more information you need from Mr. Bcher. Correct. He's going through zoning to figure out what he's got to do. The driveway is in. It's already been done. Is it actually on sides not done right?
Have you guys dealt with a lot of these driveway issues that we've had that public works has said it's not right. But yet we get other contractors, other engineers to look at it and say, "Nope, it's okay. It's happened. Can happen again." So get the information, let him
apply for it. Life goes on because there's a lot of information you folks don't have. You're not looking at the whole situation. Was he 100% forthcoming with what he had to do? Maybe, maybe not. But I don't know if he was 100% sure where he had to
go in from the zoning aspect. So it is what it is. It's not unusual to put a driveway and it's not unacceptable. It shouldn't even be an issue to put a drive an extra driver in this situation. Not sure why it has to be an issue all the time with public works, but that's
their issue. So move forward with it. Get his information. Get it through zoning. Ask the questions. Be respectful of a taxpayer and work with them. I'm not sure that I disagree with anything you said except for we just
have to practically decide where we go. That's what I'm trying to think. I think he Steve gave you a fair option to get everything moved ahead to get the information to find out what it is. What would happen with the driveway though? Unless you guys are going to approve or
the sheriff's going to go out there and public works is going to load up equipment and go dig out a driveway for some odd reason because they have that much extra time on their hands, which they don't, which is more question marks, but life will go on. And in the spring or the fall or the winter, if it decided that you guys say you can't put
a driveway into access to utilize your property, then you can take the sheriff and the public works vehicles out there and dig out his driveway if that's what your plan is. But get to that point because I think in the end of the day when everything goes through zoning and
everything gets looked at, you will probably come to a sensible decision and say, "Hey, you shouldn't have done the way you did. It's fine. Fix the driveway. Life goes on." And that would be through the rescending process at this point. I don't think so. No,
it it could we just open up discussion. It doesn't matter if we delay it. He can't do anything anyway. It's what we're saying. We're saying we want to delay making a decision, which is what tableabling it would be or setting it
out to a future meeting. If you rescend it, he's going to have to come back with accurate information for us to approve a variance anyway. He's going to have to come back with accurate information for us to approve the driveway as it is. There isn't any difference.
He has to bring us better information for us to make an accurate decision on accurate information. And we don't have that. We didn't get it and we don't have it. And our job is to uphold our ordinances. And when people skirt around
them, how many times we let that happen, we'll then determine how many more people are going to go around an ordinance and come back later. And it's expensive for staff, land use staff, public works staff to chase these down all the time when they
don't get permits. And you are correct. We approved a variance. We did not approve a permit. That's public works that approves a permit. And they haven't approved. They hadn't approved the permit when the driveway went in. So there's two actions there and they are
separate and not the same. So, I still stand by we should just rescend it and he has to go back to ground one and do it through the right proper channels to get there. But you guys keep you keep going off on
this thing about this whole the business form the conditional use permit. What if his business doesn't turn up to be anything in a minute in a month or two months or anything or is gone in a year? It's the driveway won't go away. No, it won't. I know. But it's not there. You don't have to have this business or conditional use
permit to put the driveway in. He this driveway is for his farm is. So I don't you you got separate issues. I'm concerned with the intentions of how the driveway was put in, you know, and leading right up to his remodeled building. I mean there's all the intent
there is to put that thing in full operation. And I feel that will change the traffic on that road. And that was information that we weren't given. Like I said, I maybe still would approve this thing, but I just I just want all the information to come out. Let's be
straightforward. This is where we're looking. This is what we're doing. This is what I want to do. And yes, you are a taxpayer, and we're going to do everything that we can to get your livelihood and keep your livelihood. You know, it it is his property. I don't know. No, I can't tell how he feels.
I can tell you how he felt. Well, when when when he sat there and just said it was all egg, it was just the goats. was just the you know and I don't know you listening again I don't think he said that but I I get it and I think you're probably everybody's in agreement that you need to get more information whatever way direction you
go from there but well I think we do need more information and I think he needs a chance yep absolutely those things are true and I think the question we're really asking is well what's the process with this permit in the meantime and one would be to resend
one would be to not resend and and I'm still kind of struggling with the pros and cons of those two choices. So, I don't know if you can weigh in in any way that might be helpful. That's the the the tough question. I
think, you know, if the board is inclined to resend today, they could certainly make that same motion at the next board meeting. And I kind of always lean towards giving people an opportunity to explain themselves before making those decisions. But that's the
way, you know, we're dealing with folks. When we're dealing with folks in court, we want to make sure we hear the the whole story before we make the decision. Um, but either way, you're getting to the same result, which is, I mean, the board all agrees that you want more information. So it's either resend and have a reapplication with the
information contained therein or it's continue this discussion at the next board meeting to recon you know to consider that motion to resend at that time and give this property owner. So then speak to all these things be given notice. He would be able to give input. We would be able to hear his side of the story
and particularly with regard to the what kind of businesses he's planning on operating out of that structure. We don't know the details on that. But again, it's the I mean, two different ways to get to the same goal for the board.
And what is the downside in postponing a recision discussion until the next meeting and giving this gentleman a chance to come in and talk to us? Well, I think Commissioner Anderson addressed some of those concerns, I think, um, in his comments, but,
you know, it does delay obviously it delays things a little bit. So, that's the downside, I guess. Um, but either way, but rescending would certainly delay things as well, right? It's going to delay it regardless. And again, the big complication is that the driveway is already in. So, that's an issue that's
going to have to be dealt with one way or another. But either way, it would have to be dealt with, right? Go ahead. Okay. So, one of my issues with this is the amount of time and money that gets
put into an incident when people decide to go off and just do what they want. Land use is already dealing with one of those that's gotten to be quite expensive for the county. I would like to see land use and public
works to have an opportunity to speak to Mr. Betcher and I would like Mr. Bcher to have an opportunity to come back and talk to us. So, not sure if I can make the motion correctly or not, but I would make a
motion that it's put on hold till the next meeting that land use and public works has an opportunity to talk to Mr. Bcher and that Mr. Betcher has an opportunity to come and speak to us
at the next meeting. I'll second that motion. Seconded. We table this till the next meeting and ask Mr. Betcher to come to the meeting and ask land use and public works to have reports for us at that meeting
with whatever options we could do to get this under as much control as possible. Okay, any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I motion carries. Thank you.
Committee reports. Just add one other business item. Uh we haven't officially I don't think we've officially come up with a time for the next budget meeting. Correct, Andrea? You got Yep. Yep.
Right after the HHS meeting. Thank you. And I had made the comment back with the when the information got sent out. Unless it was at like six o'clock at night, I won't be attending. So, okay. So, noted. M Mr. Chair, we we Mr. Chair, this is
Scott the county administrator. We had talked about uh we surveyed the board as far as going right after HHS or possibly at 6 PM. And I do believe Andrea has the results of that survey that was mixed. I think some people wanted to go right
after HHS to reduce the travel time. Others uh it was u others or were fine either way. And then uh I think uh Jason preferred in the evening. So um anyways, Andrea might have more to add on that. So
no, that's that's correct. Yep. Okay. Uh claims motion to pay the bills. Second. Been moved and seconded we pay the bills. If discussion hearing none, all those in
favor say I. I. The same. Motion carries. Is there a motion to adjurnn? So moved. Second. Second. All those in favor say I. I. Oppos. Motion carries. We are adjourned. Thank
you.