##VIDEO ID:KaMGDhhAhwE## [Music] I'm going to call the Granby Board of assessors meeting to order at 6:16 see you have meeting minutes for December 2nd 2024 you and I are the only two that can vote on these yeah do I have a motion I have a spelling error on here I want to correct it's unavailable not inavailability everything else good with the spelling correction I make a motion we accept the minutes second all in favor I I a discussion you're catching your own errors that's a good thing I agree I'm putting this one over there Michelle signed it okay you want it dated um no just needs to be signed meeting minutes for December 16th 2024 regular session I need a motion from Bill yes because I was not here do have a motion between you and I yeah you want to make the motion as I vote them I make a motion that we accept the minutes of December 16th 2024 I second all those in favor any discussion executive U meeting minutes of December 16 2024 do I have a motion I make a motion we accept the minutes of the executive session meeting that uh we called for the sake of uh motor vehicle excise applications and 41c second all those in favor meeting minutes for January 6 2025 do I have a motion for regular session I'm correcting the agenda because we have more than we have regular minutes plus executive minutes this is 25 20 January thank you I make a motion to accept the minutes for the regular meeting January 6 2025 she would need to I read the wrong name second all those in favor you Ste be all you want uh meeting minutes for executive session uh January 6 25 I make a motion for to accept the minutes of the executive session January 20 Jan January 6th 2025 I second all those in favor I we have Ru estate abatements uh today was the deadline and we have 18 received um I think that this is going to be a rolling uh line item until we're done with them um but we have those if anyone like to look at them if not we can move on to the next item let's do the other items first and come back to is that okay okay y that's fine I would put them in executive decision in the no that's fine I just didn't know if we're not really reviewing anything yeah we're make decision those those are the ones we got to go out and investigate time sheet regular uh 70 hour uh time card for two weeks from a show three weeks worth yeah here ending January 25 2025 ending January 11 2025 well how could we be signed January 25 2025 oh we're in February sorry you're still on vacation yeah it just doesn't look good for the cam I just know we're in the beginning of the month I was in the wrong month it doesn't look good for the camera but Andre will edit it yeah make sure you make me look good right yep whatever it takes I makes clown hat big clown hat and goggles and okay we have a campaign Finance report that you need to fill out uh myself and Bill did it last meeting for the town clerk fun stuff all over the place here when you're doing that we have bills payable in the amount of$ 34475 um did you want the break down I just don't know how many there are uh one two three four okay thank you four bills office supplies um we purchased a new printer um I think you guys might be aware of that as the other one died all the other two basically stopped working um G mapping and the regular H County registers so we have a contract from G mapping yes it was signed what's today's date third just okay warrant and commitment for motor vehicle 2024 number s in the amount of 6 61526 sents and there's seven of them no this is number oh got you yes are you running out of um stickies Michelle yep how could you tell there's 11 of them okay thank you there's none in the drawer the small ones but not like this sign here ones warrant in commitment for motor vehicle number one in the amount of 800,000 come on I'm not giving away that much bunny $89,950 126 bills that commitment you want to chair no I'm fine you good yeah yeah cheer fall asleep told tell if was Dr Bill's doing some figurin these are motor vehicle excise taxes yes something doesn't U and there's 126 of them that's a question so there was 126 bills taken out these are the 12 and those bills yeah which equal that $ 27,2 201715 coming off the million so we have to take these out of the total for the commitment to come up with the adjusted amount so these are not are the are these motor vehicle excise taxes the warrant and commitment yeah it's the commitment I understand but there's 100 it's the bills they're not abatements for 126 Vehicles they're exempt we're not talking about Vehicles then yes there's 126 exempt vehicles uh bills bills in the amount of $27,000 we took out off the million bringing us down to the 800,000 right so are we taking off 809 or would that bringing us back this was the original number minus the 27 bringing us to 809 okay that doesn't make any sense no it doesn't and this doesn't make any sense because this means the average bill is $6,400 that's a little high but I'm not the cheer what is this million dollar valuation mean the number one is that what you're looking at I don't know where you're getting a million dollars there's a copy of the last page of this report sorry there's a copy of this last page of this report the report here great that's the valuation of all the vehicles right the valuation of all the vehicles is we don't have a tax number it's the original was the 836 th000 minus the 27 in change bringing us to 809 yes okay that math is correct I understand that but then if you take that 809 and divide it by 126 the average is 6,400 no but these are just the exempt bills these are like all the vehicles that the town owns yeah no there's like 7,000 bills we just take the exempt ones out that get traded in traded out all right so so we're saying there's 126 exempt bills that add up to 27,000 correct that's all I read all right that that's a different number yes all right great okay no there's I just didn't the previous one was supposed to be 11 bills not one bill correct no one for $17.34 okay okay I just didn't understand if the way was right it's easy easy to get that lost so sorry the one bill I mean if the 1734 and the one bill was in its own set of parentheses or highlighted or somehow did you sign that I was trying not to make this like five pages long did you sign that right it's just a matter of you know making it jump out from the rest of the stuff yeah when you get a moment um do we have a record of how many vehicles we do have registered in time doesn't need to be right now easy enough warrant and commitment motor vehicle abatements the amount of 19 $1,959 70 all right how many of those are there nine a couple bucks a p so 697 so that was a good guess 7,000 yeah yeah because including the 127 this a b report isn't on here right at least I can't find it it should all be on there how much is it for the 1759 no you're looking for 19 59 say 1759 you're rap where's the one you just signed did I just screwing my system all up no no they're two different um oh there's two of them to it there's this one and this one that equal Miss let see what's going on here warrant in commitment motor vehicle rended abatements in the amount of $ 5385 for the incorrect vehicle that we can do warant in commitment for Real Estate resined exemption for $400 for the wrong amount T updated application you're a cashier this cashier oh their service disability was increased this is exciting stuff Andre what should have this been if it's not $400 thousand so are we doing it again yeah how was the error discovered that I was going to ask that question D Nicole must have discovered it someh no they sent another application in and I was like wait a minute we already did that and then I looked at it and it was an updated service disability you can have one if you want no ribbon candy no let's see here warrant and commitment for Real Estate exemption in the amount of $36,000 36273 36 that's 10 of them 11 11 Michelle this 22d they're full exemptions right yes it says okay so is 22f I'm looking also full I'm looking at D you have it says in parenthesis here full exemption yep that's why it's so high for three of them so f is also a full exemption yep is there a reason it's listed on one and not the other I was just trying to hurry up and get it done now there's no particular reason this here take that you are flying um those are all chapter one applications just can be recycled when you it's notes from a previous meeting so this is all those never mind these are breakdown un like them we're missing a whole bunch here I can't seem to find them okay we're on the state SC all where is B Road on street there's thing because I copied it off their paperwork that's not too good so the state I even corrected them the um we we had the resident taxpayer in town that sold some land off the back of bridge path Bachelor Street to the Commonwealth and they put a request in this is a DLS certification yeah the state requires us to so all this still says bachor road yeah I had sent them a message saying that's not Bachelor Road it's Bachelor street that was a discrepancy you said they they reach there's a discrepancy about um the acreage yes they had it as 12 we have it as 14 and they just wanted us they were requesting if we had a plan here that wasn't registered somewhere yeah and it was purchased in 67 probably on so we can detail this do we have a lot plot plan plot Number number an ID number 13A 252 13A 252 m so I made the statement they requested that our records don't match so this is her certifying the the difference or they're not matching so was this piece cut out of a piece no no it just standing alone right standing alone is 14 AC and somebody has it listed as 12 right and that's what they were questioning is if there was a separate lot as 12 but we have it for 14 A2 or something and yeah it wasn't separated yeah ours is 1425 something like that and they have it as 12 so when did this occur this was the one that we were just talking about which they sold it on the 26th of December right but didn't register until January that different so now we're talking about two things we're talking about when it was registered I'm Sor two two different Parcels sorry yeah this is the the one that's not the one with the the ab so this is a notification that our number is correct and they need to work with our no it's really their they should have done that they should have done a survey prior to buying it right which I find that interesting that they didn't right well they wer making any money off of it per the Comm should have the do that this is they wor they just were trying to find out if there was a separate LW the Slater property that they sold so what's this one in red this is the one so I can go hiking up there now this is the parcel I don't talk to a homeowner you on anyways it abuts the Slater property that was DC already owned so that's showing that's what we think it is yeah right the state thinks it's less they think it's less yeah do they have any proof no no that's why for proof they want us to survey it we said Bill put they want to know what the realage and we're telling them which is basically what that paperwork is doing okay how do they think it's less do know NOP the the D oh the D could yeah the D could say that it hasn't been sold since' 69 67 67 so it hasn't transferred in a while you could have transferred in housee between family members those lots swell and Shrink over time like wood yeah everybody knows this especially when you're on Ohio you're not down the street well they originally asked if if the board of assessors go out and Survey areas in town funny and they're idiots not that I know is that on camera of course we do so let would start a whole new war you start your own War Prett good yep that's what I do so we have to sign that yeah we need to sign that we're starting with a chair so we're signing this saying that we we say it's 14 in a quarter right no no I'm not sign where to sign it what no it says right here I certify yeah that's what I'm pointing to what it says so I signed it in the system we're certifying that we have record of 14 and a half acres we have that's what we're certified 14.2 they think it's 12 we're CER this all we have and if they want to survey It Go have at it and they can the burden ofof is on them just like anyone else would be but I think they got taken that's what they're upset about think they could have offered a little Les I mean but they didn't submit any documentation to why they think it's less no they didn't they they wanted us to give the information to them David Kellog how much David Kellogg Roger grizwald that's not far from your house no you probably took the other land that's yeah when it shrunk well if you took it you had to get it across B how much do they sell I'm trying to figure that out was 177,000 I think thought it was like 23 or something like that 14,000 14 so it's $1,000 an AC oh that's probably what they did they got taken no cuz they thought they were buying 12 we gave them more Le we're not giving them refund no they don't pay us anyways $144,000 I mean one think the state would look into this before they bought it yeah exactly okay budget we received the annual uh no I just want that back when Greg signs it thank you we can keep going thank you um we received the annual notice for the budget from Chris I I think it's the wrong name I don't think that's the AC for that date oh no he sent it up but 24th he left right okay okay the grand Pua a different name though yeah you might be happy dealing with Chris you got three of these budget things yes right here oh this is for new budget yes front bag how many copies what you got got dou he's got the double he's got the original do four it gets screwed up sorry what happens when you geted so we're going to have to account for a few more things than normal on here yes going forward um software maintenance wow this is due soon and they give us 30 days so I guess we're going to need to know what the reoccurring charges are for the software because we're going to include that into software maintenance right the vision Vision upgrade has its own line item but I'm not quite sure keep all G mappings there yep so it's costing us a total of well we have a recurring $6,000 bill on the GIS mapping so it's 3,000 it's 6,000 to establish it and then it's 3,000 next year okay so you're telling me that that under GIS mapping we have this bill of 6,000 and in the new fiscal year it's going to be 3,000 yeah but do we just keep it six for now hold is isn't the 3,000 up here where it says contracted Services no that's that's for the uh okay that's consult got you I will confirm with them to see if it's going to be 3,000 for GIS and then an additional 3,000 for the mapping side so confirm that all right i' rather just speaking L rather keep it high this says mapping is 3600 right right that's a regular mapping for um AI uh a uh C C thank you so that g see the a I said now now on the right line that so that 6,000 is going down the three well we don't know yet she's going to I'm going confirm to see if I mean they're going increasing it every year rather him a big a bunch of than not enough and he wants this by the 21st of February 21st do we have a meeting before then we better have one the third the third Monday is a holiday so we probably have to have a Tuesday Tuesday the 18th why is it Monday's President's Day I think we're going to rename that to Donald Trump's day a president that's what I hear what's the 17th 1 President's Day okay to meet on the 18th so I'm putting down the next meetings Tuesday the 18th yep now if we were to implement some type of tablet when we go to the properties that reflects to our system here would that be considered U like falling under used to be a technology I thought on this I mean that's a good question I'll inquire yes I'd like to start implementing some type of tablet when we're in the field so it's easier than we shouldn't really be using our own personal phones and devices we should be implemented with there may be grant money out there too in the event we can't get grant funding I was going to talk to the software company because somehow it needs to connect with servers here yeah so I was going to reach out for that but I'd like to include that in the upcoming year somewhere at least right and if we don't spend it we don't spend it correct correct I don't quite understand from the outside looking in why any standard tablet wouldn't be able to be uploaded to interface with this well I agree but so another question I have for the board because it was before my time was um there was a Lenovo think pad that Nicole had when the pandemic hit she had signed what a laptop yeah Nicole had signed it out where did that come from do we own it no clue no clue okay so it might have been something I got from college why would you sign it out then I don't know but it had to run our server other than that I have I'm just saying looking through documentation in the office there's a laptop that I assume we own that is unaccounted for that was returned because there I don't ever remember one she worked from home I guess during the pandemic no what I'm aware of that's my same answer I'm not aware of that there wouldn't be any reason to work from home unless she was sick but yeah all I know is you guys signed out a laptop T her which has been returned because there both sheets are in there but the laptop is nowhere to be found is what I'm trying to get at unless I don't know where it is did we both sign that I don't well you have to ask Nicole CU I don't remember I did I questioned her and that's what she said she she used it to work from home for for whatever reason okay and you guys had signed it out to her and she returned it it's all the paperwork there the device well I think Bill must have been Che at that time and then someone had mentioned that the clerk's office now has a laptop so we don't know where it we don't know where the laptop came from or we purchased it I guess is where I was we don't know it is I'm told the clerk's office now has it nice okay but I don't know the rence or the truth of any of this I just I wasn't here so I can't I don't know there's documentation you guys signed it out to her but the the actual device is nowhere to be found and this was before you were here so we can blame in our friend I'm going to ask my question again when you say we signed it out you guys is the you used the bo Greg and I signed that the board you saw a signature with both you saw our signatures I I I don't I I'd have to pull the paperwork again but I read everything yeah I don't I would like to know the date that we signed it out it might trigger something up here that's fine I got nothing everything's in the F I'm just saying does anyone so I I gave not to deviate from the list here but we I've been going through the equipment Surplus in our office after we got rid of the printer we have a lot of surplus equipment that is either dead or inoperable so I given us I I wrote a letter to the select board asking to decommission this these devices um in my search of stuff I came across talk of this laptop which I don't know where it would be yep and it for all I know it could have been given from central office and it never was ours that's why we don't have it but that's a perfect explanation a lot a laptop from mher college some sort of that would be my only guess but I don't remember I mean that's something I would do well you brought I mean there's plenty of stuff you brought in it over the years I mean you got a couple pieces of equipment from them I forget what they were right they just wouldn't let me take the stuff that was like um what do you call it the money brand new oh I I can see why so I'd like to either put a line on for technology or something in here to to do that for tablets in the field um obviously I'll get a better answer going forward but uh it just brought you know um the only thing that's noteworthy and it's great idea um Bon doesn't use a tablet what do they do they go out the same way we're doing out in the car that's not theirs they have their own car I know um but they don't go out with a tablet no okay good to which could be manifest so Jay doesn't want to use it doesn't want to learn how to use it but they don't have a table regardless I just wanted to put some type of something in technology um yes or even Implement a taable so we can take the pictures with the address and do this stuff more efficiently this is the problem we have 40 pictures of houses with no addresses we don't know where they go right so to streamline the process I'd like to cut none of my pictures get to her without having an address win I taught you well win I taught you well I said hey that's a good idea but uh um this involves homework for you okay um ready ask Vision what type of tablet SL software can we put on a tablet that will interface I there mobile there's mobile versions to all the software on the computers I know in the MAA World a lot of them do use tablets well and I wouldn't want to buy something that we find out doesn't interface with vision so they must have a list that's why I wanted to talk with with them but then also RIT company managing our servers to see what I mean this is further down the line but do we want something that if we're using a tablet in the field it's automatically going to change what's on a computer I don't think so you can so there's two different ways that that can happen so one you have instant access to it or the other option is you can make the changes and then somebody else has to review them so like you would be putting which we could do that anyways regardless just to make sure we're double checking it's accurate from the field yeah it's not a mess up so say hit a button by mistake and it goes in um I'm just saying I like to implement yes budgets going forward with technology right that's all I was saying we need to find out what we need to carry forward on our budget going you know going forward with uh right so anyways not to go on that rabbit hole but C CI online G mapping so the update with that is they have our PDFs they are working on the database now they have asked me to ask you guys if you want any layering such as zoning on it any on the G okay so hold on a minute zoning meaning like overlay distri and Stu what's that cost nothing okay so I I think that this interface starts with our office but it also goes through like building and planning too eventually we're all going to be hooked up to one system it's not going to cost us anymore by layers I don't know if you're familiar with G or not yeah are you familiar with GIS mapping I'm famili no I'm not really familiar with it but I know what it means right so I guess and to streamline a lot of things in town as we move forward to new technology and it doesn't cost us anymore like belone for instance you go pull up a property you can see what zoning reference it's in with the overlay districts it's it's all free You floods I mean there's a bunch of I would say yes to it it doesn't cost us anything it's beneficial if it doesn't cost us anything then I say yes right I would say no because zoning is not our priority we don't we don't deal with zoning that's the building inspector correct but it's it's going to be a system that's a different story it's not going to cost us anything that's that's a different story but they also we're talking about a map on the we're talking about information on the Assessor's um site and on the Assessor's site I think we should only have Assessor's information so I I agree but at the same token what's the point of us having an integrated system with the town collector if we're the assessors well eventually we're all going to be connected as one as we should be and that's fine but that will not be on our on our website it's not on our website this is going to be on our website it's a Link's going to be on the website we're paying for this it's free free is doesn't mean everything so i' like I'd like to see what the layers cost if it does they don't okay well get it for writing and Bill or get it for Bill and writing if you if you could but I I I think it's a huge benefit and can we add layering afterwards I mean if there GNA be a town map I'm all in favor of that's what it is but not a map on our website so what's going to happen is CI Cai is going to go to the state's website for the gis and they're going to take the information from the state and Link it with ours or overlay the states onto ours that's where it's free and it comes from so yes it could be add it after but if they're downloading everything now it's easier for them to just do everything now rather than be like okay later you're going to have to reinstall and now download this because I think we're only going to have one download per year if it doesn't cost us anything I don't understand why we're not doing it we don't have anything to do with zoning I understand that but that has nothing to do we're getting caught up on a an overlay layer that means nothing but it's beneficial to taxpayers the problem with it is the planning board or some any any could be the build inspector the planning board of anybody that has to do with zoning might look at that and think it's not accurate and then they'll want access to change what's on our site and our site should only be changed by this office but we're not it's not information coming from our office it'sing the gis is coming from the state like I I I think that everyone sitting at this table should go on gas and learn how to use it one because I think it's a huge benefit but I think that you'll understand the layers once you're there there's no way to change stuff in to my knowledge unless there's major changes done um but just like we have access to the building departments online stuff for our office he has it's an access point that is only going to grow in this town it it will help others as a tool am I interested in helping others you don't even want G mapping if it doesn't CA us anything then I see cost us more to keep the lights on have this conversation than it's going to cost us to say yes to an overlay District if we find it to be it's not it's not just zoning it's also yeah it's also um wetlands and stuff through the state that it's all um I was using one this afternoon there must been 50 overlay layers that I could have added to the to the map that I was looking at if that's what I was looking at it for where was this just happened to be Bel town but any any I haven't so you are working out of your office right looking at the gas mapping for belg toown correct from South havy and you could incorporate any of several overlays correct you check it on or you check it off right whether that be townwide or the wetlands or well it has to start with us anyways right is what you're saying yeah yeah I say we do it what are you reading uhe on this for example in South highy they show the zoning map overl District maps and sanitary waste system in belter town it seems like they use fire district map map overlay districts trail maps zoning maps and sanitary Wass right so this is the thing is that you just like the systems that the Building Commissioner has implemented since April since he's been here we have access to his files just like they would be able to contact directly to go not go through us but if you look here I don't know if it shows you on that but that's sort of what it's going to look like this so the general G when you pull a property and then there's overlay maps you can and so like property map just drops down has four more options all these different zonings you can do within the town and that could be anyone so say the Building Commissioner wants access he can have access directly to it doesn't cost us anymore they have their sign in they control their stuff but this is a a global hub for a town right I don't call it Global but it's a townwide h Hub that taxpayers are able to access 24 hours a day 7 days a week and they're not calling offices to get you know the information Lord knows I want to make things a lot easier for real estate agents because they do too much work out there inter field as is you flip it over you flip this over these are the breakdowns of overlays that you can put on for layers so every one of these has a subcategory you could check in when you're in there I think this is great but it doesn't belong in the assessor's office it's I think it has to originate at the assessor's office we still don't control it is the thing say it again so we don't we don't control they they just import it onto our Maps it's it's allowable to be used but every other surrounding town does this so Bill you you know when we go on to this the mass GIS and we go to mass mapper yes it's taking this information and linking it with our I understand the only difference is the only difference is for us is that we have partial information we're adding to the same map so we could pull up a specific property and not have to come in here you can pull up a property card you can do stuff individually it's an I don't personally think that mass mapper is great but they have a lot of they have a lot of overlay yeah there's a lot of layers that you can get from there if it's not maintained by us it doesn't cost us any money I just I don't really see why we wouldn't do it I understand where you're coming from but if it's not maintained by our office but they're using a system that is synced with us it's going to present questions to our office and inquiries that we have no control over right but then we could send them to the right office the GES mapping in general is new to the town we're going to have questions regardless I understand that I just don't think the question should be coming to this office I think they should go to the lake I don't think the interim Town administrat exactly and that therefore the map should come from that they should pay for it too um there's a lot of in town government regardless of where you are what office you're in I walked in the other day and Michelle was answering a call I don't even know what it was for but it had nothing to do with our office but the lady kept asking her for help and it had nothing to do with our office at all but I think that that's what happens stuff gets transferred but as we move forward to a 21st century or you know early I mean we're so this town is so delayed in technology I I don't foresee how it's going to set us back any we should have be we should have been on G years ago just like other surrounding towns I'm not disagreeing with that dakot right right I'm just disagreeing this office is not responsible for that and it wouldn't be going forward even if it was on our Maps guessing we would if it's under the assessor's office it's going to fall on us it shouldn't and that's just my thinking right I mean it's perfectly valid thinking um and if it becomes an issue then we will have it take have some other department um take control of it of any layering we'll be we'll be doing our mapping and if somebody wants to have layering on top of it then they're going to own it we'll see if it's a problem if it is a problem we'll get rid of it I don't think that they can import Our Town stuff without planning doing their side of it and that's that's what they're pulling from here is they're pulling the wetlands data and stuff that the state's controlling already right um I have a bit of a a different take on it is I'm I'm not happy um in and of itself of answering the state's mandate to put our property cards online for the cost that we're incurring I think we should call them yeah I think if they want to mate it then they can pick up the cost I don't think you're adding what amounts to a dollar and a half to $2 to every resident's taxes for a service that not every resident is using and I'm not happy about incurring that cost that's just my own personal belief and I'm saying that because I'm on camera I've never been happy I'll be more than happy to just do away with it and take the difference and spend the money in this office to answer any inquiries on property cards that's my own personal belief on the state an unfunded mandate really annoys the crap out of it you don't have the majority of the mandates are unfunded yeah fortunately right and and if they don't get pushed back they'll just keep giv giving us more unfunded mandates or look for Grants I mean I do understand that it is invaluable to certain professions in this in the commonweal real estate agents most noteworthy in in just regular Commerce but making their everyone else's life easier at the cost that we're incurring for a small town like this or any town for that matter is unreasonable but moving on did you say that we could add things to this once a year or something to that effect so we can do it once a year can do what on see you update the GIS mapping either add or remove or I don't know about the remove I can ask her about how sure they can disable Services yeah I can ask about that please they can do it more than once but it costs more money to do it more than once so I assume we going to do it once do they have a fee schedule for their services for in what if we're taking something off or putting something on I have not seen one all right so so they got somebody in their office in Northboro who just picks a number I could off of a dark board well considering they've gone up every year I'd say so yeah or at least have a steady increase annually right yeah which is annoying also in and of itself but it is what it is is I can ask okay next you Mass request are you Mass request um oh sh pvpg what does that say prary Valley Planning Group something like that not commission email I thought I brought my glasses but I don't know what happened to um going read it estimating emissions from residential and commercial building heating fuel use oh my God so this is a what a public records request basically a pretty large one right so again a lot of this can be alleviated with a G mapping right so this isn't this hasn't gone through the clerk's office not yet so it's not an actual request yes it's an email requesting but it's not the public request request if they did it the other way then we could say you would need to pay an additional amount if needed which I also think we need to update our few schedule at some point as an office um that got majority don't tell Maj I'm going to copy this so this isn't what we're doing now is an item that's not on the agenda it's right here budget current year is right here where's that on here where do you see budget current year right here that's what this is this is budget right here yeah that's proposed budget doesn't say anything it says budget I it was with it I never gave it to you here's the proposed so there's two budget items on here there's a proposed and a current correct no this was budget I never gave you the second current budget we just threw that right now but when I gave you the proposed budget it was under it I never gave it to you we talking about this unless you want to are you passing it out I certainly see a possibility that I'm going to put two budg do you want to go back to that well not necessarily okay did you see anything we needed to talk about on it I no I didn't okay that's fine all right next we um second page now so are we Michelle if you had to guess a time frame of hours to complete this request ballpark I don't I don't think right now it's possible for her to do that I agree I'm just saying in my opinion if they want to put a public records request in they can and at that time we're under a certain amount of days to return it to we extend right extended which would involve us sending her all of our uh property record cards right or she tell her have a nice day or she could wa until we're live yeah do it herself yeah if you'd like to do that um we are creating that kind of a spreadsheet I've never heard of yeah so I would that would be a nightmare this is something I'd go to vision and say can you create this report can of read the thing oh yeah is it a formal is it a required request or this is just no informal it's informal research research request requesting the square footage of commercial and residential property to help determine the amount of energy for greenhouse gas for greenhouse gas calculations okay I mean we don't have such information yeah somebody wants to look at how much square footage we have in this I put this in the same category as that um request we got from that assessor outside of Wier who was um wanted to deal with the the foundations right yeah okay what you doing you answering her now no I'm C okay good all right so I'm going to put presented and then table table Yeah we really taing oring we receiving the information no we received it um and we haven't made a decision on it yet if if we are going to make a decision we table because we think it's pretty ridiculous so are you going to have an answer on to bring up the next meeting yes only in the sense that um I asked Jay what he did with this request okay I I just don't know yeah I mean the request in all by itself is for a large amount of information that nobody keeps unless Vision somehow or another has it in their database that they keep could right totally could but is this supposed to be in here Michelle this building C fire Farm yes it's on the agenda it could be on our back side oh sales report for December no hold on a minute where is this on the agenda it might be like you said the back it's not okay let's just add this in here before we go to the sales report what are we adding in I assume you want us to go out to this or what is this your so my question is his his burn cut fire this is on Russell hatch's old property the picture of the property card so red fire Farm the bar the barn burned down last February right so usually in that case we would take it off year because as of January 1st it's not there do and myself block the property after the fire right so now we have so I don't know if that is the same property you so you're thinking it's a different property they both okay so two different locations okay so that spurred me that ask you if there's anything that you wanted to do with the red fire or do we just same people take the building off so to my the the structures are there they're using them temporarily as the farm site that's what they're selling at them I don't know if the right Builders who built this shed is what they're using but there are various amount of sheds last time I went over there that are being used for uh selling out of produce out of or Goods out of that are in the back parking lot the barn has been taken down it's been yeah the Barn's been taken down in that in that building that was attached to the botom and the front is gone right yeah so a walkway to nothing but that's not this piece okay so the hatch property okay I guess that's are they at that address or the other address this is the other one but I wasn't sure if it was CU to my knowledge there was to my knowledge there was no that's a very big barn that's on that property right I'm not quite sure it's been taken down well the one that was on fire isn't at 34 car right right so but my question was the permit's wrong then did we need a demolition to take it says right there demol for the other one for the first one for the fire one one would think the Building Commissioner would require that okay that's what I wasn't sure my thought is reading that yeah they have the address incorrect right all right so I should talk to D okay because this the the permit to Dem demo and to bring in a shed it looks like demolition of a zixing barn and house where entry but to my knowledge right Builders didn't demo anything the property owner did it was whatever Rubble was left from the there's something in certainly at least one thing inconsistent for right Builders typically would not make that kind of mistake well right do they take I didn't even know they demolition unless we have the wrong property photo CU that picture is the old hatch Farm on the corner up the street when did you receive that last week I mean last month sorry well I do know there's sheds on site over there that there's you guys walked well I'm talking about fast forward since we've been there right they brown ones yeah um couple there's actually a number of them yeah okay so I should print them in the next meeting well I think we need to verify that's the correct address for the permit and that could be because the property owner gave the incorrect address to Damian all right CU last time I drove by the hatch Barn is still standing okay which would be behind hatch's original house it's on the right hand side yes it's you're right it is I agree with you I think the address is wrong that's all CU they they demoed the barn and they put up these temporary and there's more than one there there I don't know what the square footage is on them in think that's a nice picture of hatch's property hat propert clean up very nicely um okay I don't know if they still use it for that but they used to use that property for people who were working there in the summer living that's why they bought it okay oh they F field I I can have more how many of these pieces of property do you sell sales report huh aler Street 101 uh okay that's right invol 385 versus 264 GIS World Circle so Merl holding so um dressel sold okay 500,000 and then they had to put in a new septic system three 98 B yeah 170 versus 252 yeah what happened there that was an off Market sale it was a what it was an off Market sale right okay I don't know who it wasn't not arms length I know they put a septic system they cleared the backyard over there okay sense that would make sense 475 for E Lake View Avenue I have no idea where that is it's down by um isn't isn't it off Amer Street got to be yeah it's got to be Road street street I don't know I'm guessing mhor Street on the left hand side yeah you go down the hill it's a little short Street I think you're right yep that's not the one that has the the loops back around the Aldridge no through the woods there's two that cut back over right yeah this one doesn't cut back I think he's right who's up on Bachelor Street I don't all that land stop you come before before you just passed away last year um you come down before you turn the right to go to your house take the left and you know where Kevin um Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin the hell name na Brooks yes he has his barn yeah yeah before that he has a little brown house set out back but has a bunch of land has been in to Gary Phelps oh I mean that's in the neighborhood where Gary Phelps live I don't know why he was bringing this up here um his son was over there no is lake is Lake View hold on a minute he did he passed away last year couple years ago Lake View I think is over by um off of ammer Road Lind Drive yeah okay okay yeah that area right the Gary Fel son he owns a house and it is a street in town but only think it was his house I think it's Street Viet yeah all right accepted R Bard Massachusetts Department of Revenue final 2024 valuations so you're saying our numbers are now good I'm not there yeah they're saying that the numbers that we sent out tax bills on on January or December 31st we're now they're now saying that our numbers are good well thank you very much cuz otherwise we would certainly that last year no I don't either I mean what is somebody somebody's wasting our time doing this because way back then the values were okay back in October I don't know if they were doing more research on I think somebody's just wasting our time are we um do you remember what the growth was for last year percentage in terms of was it more new grow I don't remember I I have that information home but I don't have it in my head she's got you got it in your head right maybe not I'm pretty sure I have it where did you put the um I don't have my text classification docents right is it is it in there is it in a file it's it's not yet in a file you're going to file it yes it's on the desk all right it's between exemptions and death certificates just hello what are you looking up hey Mr chairman oh sorry you guys are done talking yeah okay okay we re we received the equalized valuations which that brings us to the end of our open meeting is there anything else that you would like to speak about before we go into executive session yeah have we we've agreed that we're our next meeting is Tuesday February 18th yes I wrote it down okay 5:30 or 6 I don't 6 you like the later ones 6 o' 6 p.m. anything else for open meeting done Andre I what time is it 7:30 I adjourn regular uh our regular scheduled meeting at 7:30 to go into executive session only need to come out uh to adjourn the meeting thank you