##VIDEO ID:c75s0wHvk9I## [Music] welcome to the November 4th 2024 Board of assessors meeting I'm going to call the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m. first thing on our agenda tonight's minutes from October 24th 21st 2024 which I not I I have them I just gave that to you right he wasn't here for that wasn't here for oh I you arrived at 6 o' so you can vote on the second half okay correct it was an early meeting that's what it was I make a motion we accept the minutes of uh October 21st than all in favor I any discussion two Z time sheets for Michelle have a few here Michelle this is for you thank you thank you regular two two we period does anyone want to see this either one of you want to see this Michelle are you going to the um anual that was last one I just went to okay this is another one it's a fall seminar the next one I think is December October this is one we just went to in here for a certain reason or no I just had it with my time sheet that's but the annual um meeting should be coming up no yeah it's uh the 4th or the 5th 11 on the calendar it's like 11 to 3 during the day right no I don't know I have nothing in front of me I'm questioning it it was in we had it for our last meeting we we had the notice last meeting okay that means you can make it then I'm not going to you're so busy um I take it neither one of you are going okay that's good I'm glad someone is are you going to this would you like to go to this I was to say if you're approving are you going Dakota I'll go yeah all right two of you I'll take one for the team and I'll represent gamb again make sure that's again it's on and when is it what day no December 5th from 11: to 3 the day of the week Thursday good uh we have cyclical inspection bills from Mr Porter for smithad shwood Drive Ridge path I don't even know where Ridge PA is by the way it's over right near your house it's the last subdivision it's getting into griswell Circle it's that little short okay you want to look at these no no if I had seen four Parcels that would make more a lot more sense and they're all even numbers yeah perfect so we're just approving these to be paid the hero act uh notice to Veterans so we drafted this we did so we talked about this at the last meeting I missed it I take it um it was tabled I know it was Ted so I put that together so we can give to our veterans because last time we spoke it was do we mail it do we not there's two parts of it one part the town has to vote on and the other part which is the excise starts immediately which meaning as of January 1st and um our veterans would like to know when they're getting their money back so we need to this a board vote and then I assume the next town meeting we're going to go on the floor with it or this does not have to be voted on by the town this the board happens right just the board I vote we adopt the uh chapter 178 of the heroes act uh for excited fill Ed out from this moment forward January 202 yes the second second what is what is the date from when startch January 1 what year this year 20204 I'm asking for a year this year five or four that's not a number 2024 or 2025 2024 okay so they have to baate this then if they're yes okay we need to have that we need to that's specific that's why yeah yeah so we should be adding as a it says right here calendar year 2024 excise Bill I just want a motion to indicate that is this going to be mailed out to Veterans well that was my next question is do you want me to mail it to all those who have the 100% or do you want to wait until they come in and ask for it I think we should be sending it to them and and this is service connected disability this is not any veteran it's but service connected disabilities right it has to be 100% oh it has to be 100% right okay so it really doesn't apply to very many I don't need a number but yeah yeah I mean not that I think we should be sending it out and taking the due diligence and what they do with it is their obligation so um for the sake of clarification I'd like to see the 100% bold and a little a different font and uh 2024 excise tax bills bold in a different fun so we can grab their attention that make sense I think that's very good yes do you want to just underline and a yellow marker you want a highlighter or a yellow highlighter just cuz uh they might not pick it up L only be mailing it to those who are 100% right but they're come in we actually have a list of from the from the disabil the exemptions no um because I don't think you want to be highlighting each one the only list that we have is from those who apply for the exemption for the real estate gotcha got you you're right I don't know if we could get a list from the VA for the town yeah I don't know I don't so we can only mail to who appes for it then you know there's more Greg that has to be it has it's one vehicle and it has to be registered in their name you could conceivably highlight uh the whole paragraph I mean I'm sure so back to the mailing if we were to mail this we'd have a difficult time getting it to everyone that actually qualifies is what you're saying I don't think we have a difficult time I assume if they have it they've been going for real EST estate anyways so I I have about six people asking me about it and there's probably about maybe 30 who we have on our list I would just highlight the whole last over if if we don't do it ahead of time then they can evate it next year which then comes out of the overlay exactly because for real excise tax you have two years does anyone want the Bolton from no no we got that we made a the taxpayer come in a couple months ago certifi we going to vote on this oh well I have a motion I need a second I second it before the discussion no you asked for you didn't second it you asked for I thought I second it minute so I have a motion from Greg with the edits with yes with the edits second second any discussion done 3 0 all in favor sorry and you want me to mail it yes yes please 229 E Street what are they doing uh special permit for zoning should say Bill next to it right bill next to it yeah say it's in the Butter's list oh oh he's looking to um get a special permit for the possibility of selling Vehicles this isn't it 229 you staple a turnover sheet to this but it has the wrong applicants three was this just turnover for two of them um each one okay it's all on one turnover this is just the receipt for this one and another yeah the other two you sign okay approve that real estate exemptions warrant and commitment in the amount of $1,150 and0 you like these paper clips here's the actual turnover we waiting [Music] for turning this in for a certain reason no okay how often do you get the these and people pay cash for instead of paying check I don't I answer that of50 that people come in so we we turned over all of our um petty cash a couple years ago you keep it that way yeah whatever Michelle wants do you feel a need for petty cash in the office I think that when you need us we just we pay for it we'll get reimbursed anyways because if somebody comes in with a $20 bill I send them over it to the tax collect during a change go and then I don't have to worry about having passion off sure enough just one more step here this is a new application this is this is all messed up here these real estate exemptions were veterans most of them all those yes they don't the 19,000 doesn't seem to add up to the details of the one below it it's not they're two different things it's different yep so you signed these at the last meeting or two meetings ago yeah and then you have the new detentions now and then next meeting you'll get the warrant commitment I didn't read all the way across so that's a good list the omitted per personal property warrant commitment we believe this is going to be zeroed out yeah it should have yeah I think it should say zero we're going to verify that though prior to where did we leave personal property to I know I had a brief conversation earlier did you go out taking your pictures you wanted to of naraki of anything not just this this is where you going to Naki um narachi shut down that portion of their Gravel Pit on School Street on Li Street okay it's sorry L it's now owned by somebody else the property or the Lots they sold out the Lots right but they're still active in out of there I love them oh so the access roads in ramby yes and there's another one in that is in rougher shape you had mentioned going down the hill to the barn and some other spots this is a year ago now prob I just don't know if we did anything I like we were waiting for Roy to do some stuff with personal property um he did his stuff for personal property but he didn't how many mailers did we get back from from he mailed some out did you know that well I only know that cuz I got a call from a taxpayer oh questioning it so Roy had met so catch not with um personal property sorry he you mail personal property he mailed I think multi-unit dwellings maybe rental properties that the income and expense reports he mailed those okay did we get any of those back or some of them or there's a folder over there if you want to see them but I thought you already did yeah um are we still getting those back or no no okay so how many did we get back for income and expenses don't know because I don't know sure she put it in a file sent out yeah I was told I don't have to do anything with them just put them in a pile and he'll take care of it well I think we are to be familiar with them well at some we're going to we need to know right and I I agree I just I feel like we haven't done it in many years so that's also the reason why people are like what what are these why are we getting them um but we also haven't been diligent on personal property either correct much more than what we know um so how did Roy leave personal property in this town um he didn't say much about him the only thing that he did was put it in vision and whatever reports that he needs to update okay is Roy complete as far as I know yes so we should be getting a report from him um we have to go through this public disclosure and then from there we go into our regular certification so I don't know if he gives a letter for the do or the D sends a letter not sure when you get a chance would [Music] you ask him to email a report to the board of assessors mhm because it would be appropriate I don't want to wait for the do to say something to me without having spoken to Roy I'm just going to give your phone number if they call well yeah on my cell phone oh direct line direct line they you call again as long as it's Ryan how is Ryan by the way he's good we trained him up train them up that's what we got to do and you're going to update us um on this Michelle for the omitted personal property yes real estate exemptions veteran 22A we have 11 of them at $400 a piece totaling $4,400 I could have done the math by the way I just wanted to give this to bill so he can write on his right scri on his page just to let you know I was available to do the math yeah you do the next Flo then no I'm not doing this is a new application filed October one a new veteran no he's he's always been one sure he just fining now that is um oh is it the electrical inspector is it I don't I don't I don't know today's the fourth today is the fourth 11423 uh just kidding 24 do you want to sign these just that they were by another person that's fine y i yeah I didn't know INE there's I couldn't remember what we did you want to get somebody else's name on preferbly yeah cuz Greg's to see he talking around on the phone still no no no no yes I got to sign that this is I'm not signing it you should have done that before you submitted it shame on you they'll have to go through a whole turn period I'm not signing to I'm signing it's me copy uh we have 22 C exemptions as well one at $400 totaling $400 22e we have four at $1,000 totaling we have four at $1,000 totaling 4,000 and we I'm just're reading them off so we can sign them all I thought there was 11 of these I only got two because I'm just reading the list so I could you guys process so slow I just want to keep going wait till he gets old wait till you get old are you calling us slow no processing time is slow 22 e there's four ,000 4,000 total and then uh real estate exemptions blind there's four at500 totaling $2,000 good team plus or minus yeah quter wants to make note of the processing speed of his two board members yes put that in the meeting minutes I mean from what I gather it's faster than Frank so I think you're both doing well do you agree you're still faster than Frank yes so you're still doing well two meetings ago there was talk I I watched our meeting and uh yeah where you got a lot of money yeah you don't remember that you made a lot of money instantly when you're going through anyways um there was we got a letter from the I assume it was mass environmental police or State Police for boats yeah that doesn't include trailers nope cuz we tax trailers no um so we do trailer trailers the ones you live in but they don't do the boat ones they do utility trailers though that's why itility ones but for some reason they don't do boats okay at all as I know well because you register differently you register your trailer through the R&V register your boat through the state police okay but I don't see I don't see like them separating it from a regular trailer I just see trailer right I guess I what I want to clarify for the statement that was made that we don't T we tax on a boat trailer not the actual boat registration process you pay the mass State Police for the boat you pay the town for the trailer yeah not many towns in they don't have an aquatic division we should start doing that me think of something I'll share with you guys after so when the uh State Police handle the registration of a boat where do you suppose that money shows up well it's the it's the um it's a division of the State Police which is actually the environmental environmental last time I registered a boat I had to go to stick college at a satellite office at stick college in the basement it's quite an interesting yeah um yeah the biggest reason I would want a report from Roy is his opinion on the commercial or income producing rental property because Bill had always and I believe correctly felt as we were dramatically undervalued and if Roy could give us an answer on that that we can hang a hat on that's really the most important thing regarding what value of in producing commercial income which would be the letter he sent out for income and expense correct that would be part of it right I mean this so to my knowledge the the background behind that our values in town are low due to the non-division of tax rate so commercial property gets taxed at the same rate residential does should however my my issue is not hold on a I'm not done yeah income and expense will boost that up correct if we use that if it's reported correctly but you take that regardless of self-reporting if we back now I know in South Hadley Missy is very admin about getting him back and she'll come hunt you down good and you can charge I think it's a $50 fee for not returning it right I don't know how actively she actually does it but it's there they also have a single tax grate right for a small town I think single tax rate is wise right but value proper I mean just for instance not that it's around anymore but all power the the rav CVS or any of these big chain stores the the the money they generate they generate compared to the real estate value of their buildings far exceeds I mean I used to own income profit in he Bly and that's what how I first met Missy because she was out um undering you down checking the values before was a delinquent thank you Turner turnover in the amount of $45 for a Butters list so we're going to turn that over which means what we have the cash we're sending it so there's three bus list that were requested correct one today and two at the last meeting okay so you're going to send that into your office yeah okay re-evaluation public disclosure 114 2024 to 118 2024 so they have a total of four days five days five days yeah and that was voted on last meeting correct no no no it was voted on between meetings that's that's what GRE and I and you you agreed even though you had read it so that's what I walked into at the last meeting right so I'm going to write on here appr by the board okay yeah this is the same letter we received oh this one's Christopher do we have a Christoper the work here the dates oh okay this is the same no well was at the beginning of the year I see who's the credential committee they signed the last page right Bob what do they what is their function they oversee the fire district from District Two in souy I'm just I'm writing down the letter wased yes and then she emailed you in October again yeah she emailed to let you know she sent us letters who she Barbara Miller from District 2 received it's worth noting that the only hold though was a special town meeting that we had hold before we could approve our text classification for last year yeah yeah West Street Building commiss base assessment meeting which we already had we yes we attended right do we have to do any write up for it no we posted our meeting right I didn't know if there had to be any minutes from it from that meeting how many board members me and Bill and Michelle someone was hard at work again yeah you know why they gave free pizza to everyone else with us see um that's what happens when you get put at the bottom of the list right um there was no vote taken so you don't have to two minutes of the two of you being together bylaws 15 Smith app special permit approved I don't have now that that that's on there only because they're putting a closed porch on the front of the house and it's within 40 ft of the street and I've heard of this they actually got a um zone zba approved it why would the zba approve that cuz it's not and our bylaws why does the zba what approve it bylaws say you need 40 feet from the house to right but why would they approve I don't know why all I'm saying is they because anybody else in town who wants to put a front front Forge and say well you let this guy do it and you know that as well as I do I did the cycal on Smith Avenue and noticed it so I had Michelle look it up yeah and they there was actually an approval for it so why do we have by well there're as thick as they're as clear as mud rather so for that he put them together not those bylaws not the existing ones right so we received that um 44 Morgan Street uh property Card review why here to elaborate so if you turn it over so a realtor was asking me about square footage and when I was reading that it didn't seem right so I wanted you guys to look at it and just be like yes it's fine or no it's not a realtor who was purchasing the property or listing the property I don't know she was just asking me questions about square footage and the last sold Vape have you talked to the greeny president ation Society at all no okay they do rent out all that whole back building the whole every Bay is rented out to private comp for-profit companies it's either for-profit companies or it doesn't matter at all because they're getting income even though they're a nonprofit that should be exempt because they're receiving income if it's personal you can go rent them a business can rent them but they should still be paying tax on that build they they do not have to pay taxes if they're renting to onit right but if they're not renting to a nonprofit they still have to pay taxes that's correct they're corre you know collecting income um I know the whole building's rented I don't know who they're renting to yes there can be both I need to okay so that's fine can I look at that please Michelle I'm sorry I look at that so you're going to send him an email who the the preservation hisorical Society the president of the Grand be preservation society and ask of them I guess we know they're renting we just need to know if there's any nonprofit tenants in that building and if there are how much square footage or what Bays they occupy we need a list of their tenants basically right and how much they're being charged well theoretically regardless I I believe from what I reviewed the meeting was that we only have a percentage of the building on the right side is being rented they should have got an income and expense R we we just need a list of who the tenant is and and and their status whether they're a nonprofit or not and if they're a nonprofit We may prove that they're a nonprofit why would we obtain information if they aren't nonprofits but what what is the tenant name I guess but like I'm making this up ABC and they're nonprofit We just need to know it's ABC and and what and and they're nonprofit so I just asked Michelle to reach out to them and ask if there's any nonprofit tenants in the building okay and if there are where they occupy and yeah but we to verify that the nonprofit We need the name and and their nonprofit except number that would call under who they are yeah right but they might that's okay I guess where I'm also going is if we have on their property card currently that they rent a portion of that building they should have received an income and expense report as well so got that that's a lot I mean the last time I was at that building if you're looking at the garages from the street the right hand two garages maybe three garages was rented to a landscape company the whole building's rented out okay and so they will pay think the only to my knowledge I mean this has been years but the last nonprofit that was in there I think was gcam but I I cannot confirm that okay you you got that but the president Terry Le Joy is the President we can move on Terry lejy is the president over there he's in a hurry he's on a coffee tonight so little right right I don't any coffee that's that's valid so what are we doing with 44 Morgan Street that was the one that you guys we just reviewed it's fine 71 Carver Street questioning value may come into to discuss so Bill had gone out to this president's house before and he was still trying to understand how his um taxes are hired in his neighbors which I don't think that's the case now that's not relevant in any she is his neighbors right here yes this is still har stre yeah we was talking about 10 ,000 for god sakes value yeah um well if they don't want to come in and say hi to us then we're not doing anything so I just wanted to mention that yep received yes 403 Bachelor Street new build no permit appreciation code yeah yeah 403 b dist stre new build yeah we started talking about this last me last meeting okay so they and I don't know they enclosed where it went full disclosure I sold this property not to these people but I sold this property for the previous owner good is it is the depreciation code correct it's very poor this actually this this actually you and I had a this is a trailer conversion this was a mobile home right the back unit right you should also have a letter from the Building Commissioner at the time on file about this property yeah that it should nonconforming yeah this was always a foundation that was there right they built this open porch above it yep after it sold next to this yep house this is the one that's right on the road yep both very poor yep but what they've done they've cleaned it up a lot yeah is the little boy still wave to you yes okay I say drive by 7 o' every morning that's what that's what yeah air watch okay so what was sorry what was the the depreciation codes not changing I mean I can't confirm what it looks like now was it question or you just pull what's the depreciation code now average Mark deterioration rather unattractive and undesirable but still quite useful that hit the bell I think it's better than that it's at least average but normal wear and average good would be a reflection of the fact that they just put some money into it I think the only benefit they've done there is signage no the stings all the same I don't think so that's always been blue well they cleaned it up a lot well they prob washed it I'm sure right was a bank owned property oh okay who's in Ruins all right put it average please there's no Market deterioration what is considered Market deterioration market like you worked at making look unappealing like doing not even power washing so it'd be lack of working yeah to make it look better are you okay with that yeah I mean I don't understand his issue because the house next door is actually worth more you're stilling Carver stre yeah okay yeah originally when this started it wasn't that way I believe right but it is now worth more yeah he wanted to mention that his neighbor has additional structures on it yeah he has a 2,000 square foot that mean a $2,000 shed in the back got two plus to what so he likes his neighbor he's got another shed and another structure I don't know what you're saying I don't understand two sheds there's only one shed on there right but his neighbor is saying there's more than what's on on the card we talked to 73 Carver because they couldn't put in an abatement correct that was the one that was yeah lot of fun going on there do you couldn't it's in a irrevocable trust and the kids done they're just real happy next 157 Amor Street elaborate what's going on in 403 on this we have the property card back for 403 is there really no permit for this property it's not a new build it's been there forever just like every other small house around the pond over there it's it was a shack that was made into a house that's on on a slab so to my knowledge in reference to this remark here from The Building Commissioner at the time it was it was a two it was deemed a two family yeah the back is a trailer conversion it's mobile home just like the new ller road yeah property in the corner with an addition the bank foreclosed on it oh I know this then it went vacant and because it sat so long Town revoked the right for a two family use so it went back to a single family use he wrote a letter sent it to us when it was on the market if I recall correctly and these people bought it and seem to be fixing it up but they built that covered porch on the foundation that was already there okay so we were just asking about depreciation they so what put some effort into what does this mean no permit so there's no permit for the structure that they built on top of the concrete SL that's not our problem right we understand that but we're asking all the depreciation code of the property okay it was originally at fear average talked about ago it's got to be up to at least average yeah we were we were discussing that while you were on street caret okay now but Bo porch needs to go onto the sketch is the foundation on the sketch probably not I don't think so probably not do you want me to slow down next to that kid and ask him what size it is maybe you bring them some snacks or something yo get over here huh what do you what do you uh putting it for a depreciation code average average it's at F average now tomorrow Stu by there measure is it on there or no no is the back building have the addition on it the front room so this was the trailer but there's a front room here it's like a t yeah I think this is TR right there okay thank you 157 ammer Street have you got noticed that we no oh then but I think it's passed but pass for yeah the deadline to have a court case because you only get I think it's three months yep from when it's denied they have to apply within three months that's true but court case it takes 6 months to eight months afterwards and we don't know that until just beforehand okay but as far as you know they haven't applied no done crumbling foundations yes so there's a lot of talk about that and a group just went to the State Building to talk about the crumbling foundations in Massachusetts because Massachusetts has nothing to help these homeowners these homeowners have no equity in the house they have no insurance for this and a lot of the assessors are trying to figure out how to Value these houses because until they can prove that that's a problem in their house then we'll do do something I think but it's it's actually more in Central Mass than it is here right so I just wanted to let you guys know that it's there's a lot of talk about it oh it's been in the paper all the time yeah yeah and the there was one assessor asking about what we would do with it and I didn't I guess my question is if we permitted it down the line how do we control so they they're putting an abatement in with the Assumption they're not fixing it correct is that what the assumption is you see these houses jacked up all over the place the closer you get to Connecticut Connecticut is correcting the issue and conut paying for it because it came from their state so Massachusetts they're asking Massachusetts to help the homeowners because Insurance isn't and they don't have any equity in the house so they can't get loans to fix the problem so they're asking if Massachusetts can do something with maybe so they want all these questions answered from us for what reason who is Jeffrey at Gibbs realy Inc I don't know okay I'm not quite sure that I think we have better fish to fry right now my own op if he wants to uh come in here or research this himself you can no no there's another item that's not on there we got some building permits we got to finish look on how come it's not on the agenda you have them it's not on the agenda where are they it was supposed sorry well I'm not talking about it it's not on the agenda I was going to give them all the you nice try not without how many building those blue folders i' got some in the truck and that's the rest of them how many I I I don't how okay we're very productive here can you grab that file for us and give us an account on them or what what's outstanding for how many building permits need to be inspected have you been up to that house on East Street At All by the solar farm on top of the hill you mean one way in the back yeah is it still unfinished it's nothing so some of these are done I just can't put them in the system until next year but um you want to go look I'm talking about the ones that were dated in 23 okay I thought I've been really so most of them are done but I don't want to look at the ones that are done we need to count on an outstanding and what we need to do well I don't know what it I don't know exactly what you need to do for each one I haven't had time to relook at them but they have been looked at once they just need to be looked at again to see status they are now when were they looked at multiple different times last time spring yeah I just see that okay well he's doing research research is there anything else um for the shake of our meeting that we're going to be voting on so we're just going to do a followup and we'll just divide these equally I don't think equally I mean I'll take one as a gesture as a gesture you know as a magnanimous gesture a magnanimous you feel it right I know I've gone out on a couple of these this is more for January not it's not going to change the values from Mar I know but you were telling me that they had to be done by the end of the year so January 1st I would know what they were yeah so we want to put this on I can put it on the next meeting yeah continue it um for the sake of our televised meeting I think we're done anything else Michelle go once twice I Jour the meeting at I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting at 6:52 p.m. have a second second all in favor all right