[Music] okay I just I just turned this on okay and and we we said we would we would uh
start off be you know before we start and I forget how about for the the minutes of February 12th I had a couple couple little changes but are we okay with
those yeah yeah yeah I read the changes dick that's fine yes okay and I am too Colleen so that's okay okay I did not do my part of redoing the period of validity of the site evaluations and per
so I still have to do that but with uh as I look I've got you want to just go through them one two three the way the Colleen got them number that that that was you what you
sent out today Colleen regarding the uh the new regulations that's the one you guys were working on last time so I just put in what I thought you were had said at the last meeting for this one which was number because I because I had never
seen that document I was just wondering where that docum that was yeah that was just the changes to number seven that you had done so far ah okay I got you I got you hold on then let's do we'll do colen's page number two and it it says
and I haven't I did read it before but I haven't read read it lately does prior to receiving an application to build for the expanded use of a dwelling or place of business a perk test must be
conducted showing that a suitable sized area exists for septage for the modified structure that meets Title Five standards I think that's already covered under Title Five it says you can't you can't do it not all this just says that you have to
have an area this was done in in November 8th 2011 but this document says that you only have to have an area for the the system but Title 5 says you have to have the system if you're
going to expand the use of the the dwelling I don't think this one needs to be I think it's already covered what do you guys think let me find um I'm scrolling through my emails for that particular document hold on one second yeah I'm doing the same
thing on my side okay here it is re regulations regarding septic systems 2025 dox okay let's take a look okay yeah there's no date on this document so I don't I don't know anything about
this okay so this is regulations regarding septic systems in the town of grandby which may supersede the state minimum standards no that's not this one this one is where Colleen labeled it it's titled building permit
regulations and it was uh lee Mike Pandora and me but it it definitely this one is covered under Title Five that says you can't expand the building you can't expand the use of
well hold on hold on folks hold on is this that's not 1998 this must be not this is November 8th 2011 it was number two in that packet Bill the number two on the top of it okay hold on hold
on oh thing I got in the packet Colleen was a Bobby Sheen design oh no no no no it wasn't it this packet is a month old the the the packet before that yeah okay well hold on yeah give me a couple of minutes to go through this because I got these right
down here on the floor and I gotta May here it is okay building permits regulation November 8th 2011 right correct they've got a number two up left okay okay yeah Pandora chair I got
that okay so which which paragraph are we addressing the second par paragraph says that prior to receiving an application to build for the expanded use of a dwelling or place of business a perk test must be conducted showing that
a suitable size area exists percept for the modified structure and meets current Title Five standards that already Title Five says you can't expand without having a system that's designed for their
expansion this just says that you have to do a perk test and have an area to do it but Title Five definitely says that that you can't do it you can't do it without upgrading the system all right well I'm looking at
this sheet and that language is not on this sheet di you're sitting no if it say is there a two up in the top left corner there's a three oh that's a
different page yeah let me see if I can find the on with two oh okay here it is here it is here it is all right I got I got it now okay so what's so what's the issue with the language I don't think the
thing I don't think we need it I think Title Five is already more restrictive than that I agree so let's let's delete that so we delete that yeah what do you think Lee no yeah you're you're both correct
since it's yeah it's not going to do any good to have that in there okay no the next one now is number three bill number three got
it and that let's a building and at the bottom of mine somehow or other I wrote Adu so it must be the Adu rules must go in it should be here but anyway uh building
permit shall not be approved approved or authorized by any member of the Board of Health or its agents until the following items are complied with first is a lot plot plan shall accompany the
building firm at or D throw I think when I read this I think all of this stuff is already required on Title Five let's go through it for disposal works construction permit showing the property to be served boundary Dimensions area
and square feet location of propos house well septic tank be field peration test and tested data that's definitely required under caly already it says note of soil
permeability depth of seasonal high water table depth to hard pan or other impervious water retarding layer that's that's the soil evaluation which is already required yep you
dict I got a question yeah why is the L why does the language say building permit shall not be approved I don't know actually because we we don't have any jurisdiction over the building inspector that's the problem we do the but oh but we get the
form built or we used to get the form from the building inspector but you know what it's not the building it's a sign off but it's not a building permit that's right it's a check off sheet it's the check off sheet with all the departments on it that's exactly
right okay so building permit doesn't fit there period but I think we're going to find out the whole thing doesn't fit and as is the plan shall show names of adjacent Property Owners streets and indicate compass point
all plans shall comply and conform with the Massachusetts sanitary code article this article 11 so that doesn't exactly fit minimum requirements for disposal of sanitary sewage and unsw area and rules
and regulation of gramy Board of Health the the plan shall be made by a registered plan surveyor professional engineer sanitarian or other person qualified to do the outline above I think this is absolutely covered in title five every single one of our
disclosure works construction firmers has to have this all of it right so I recommend we delete page three delete this one okay the whole thing yeah because it's already covered it's just a a
duplicate yeah I wonder if we ever as a board Le the guys are on here maybe me didn't know what the either we weren't in enforcing Title 5 or I'm not sure and that says article 11
besides that which what was the date on that that was Article 11 was before 1978 I know so i' say that this thing is so that even that is crazy so anyway the next one is labeled
number four in the top corner and disposal Works installers permit regulation at a regular meeting of the grany Board of Health on November 8th it looks like we did a bunch of things on
November 8th 2011 the board passed following regulations effective immediately the grany Board of Health will grant disposal Works inst stallers permit only after the applicant has demonstrated adequate understanding and
prior experience in the installation of septic system but that's what we do anyways right right yes are we not allowed to do that because everybody does that well that's an interesting question well one of the one of the
things that I wrote on this one if we're going to do it is instead of just saying adequate understanding and prior experience in the installation of septic systems I wrote on it when I reviewed this as determined by the members of the
Board of Health because that that statement says adequate understanding doesn't tell you who determines that unless you say it If You're Gonna Keep well it says the Board of Health
will grant so a reasonable person would say demonstrated in demonstrated to whom and you just go back in the sentence to the Board of Health but if you want to of granted but if if someone came and said uh Dave de roer says I've got a
reasonable understanding and came back to the Board of Health and I said well the Board of Health she'll Grant it because Dave D roer says the guy's got an an adequate understanding yeah I just chose Dave D Roser by the way I you know
but using them as as being a PE and and involved with the town it's not a bad choice of people to to choose but e my feeling is we either dump this and
say you know what do you know Bill when you read Title 5 I don't remember in Title 5 that it says that there's a a Criterion for granting permit no it does not no it's silent on
that dick it's silent on that I believe it's silent on that matter it says they have to have them to put it in but I don't think it says that we sometimes have little TS and
and but if you if you really got up against it if if there's nothing in there that says the board has some jurisdiction over this maybe we need to have have this one in there yeah I I think that one you can leave that one in
there but like you say tighten it up say has demonstrated to the board adequate understanding so so after demonstrated put down just add to the board yeah either either that or at the end just say as determined by the
members of the gramy Board of Health e it's whatever you could so what do you think it should stay buil just to the board and of course board refers to the grany Board of Health has demonstrated to the board to the board
understanding yeah we could put that in and is board is capital B of course yeah are you okay with that Lee yeah that makes that makes good sense and I think I actually think that we
have a reasonable way of doing it and we've never had any problem but if we ever got stuck we now would have something to go back on you know we're now 703 uh why don't we why don't we stop it
here okay that sounds good hopefully get out a little earlier tonight would be fabulous yeah uh so do we want to go 15 minutes early again the next meeting
sure Lee how about with you yeah I think it's uh I think it's working okay okay so I'll I'll do another 645 and the next meeting is Bill are you in trouble with the next meeting the
next me colen when would that be March 11th let me take a look yeah that's a problem for me do we want to do it the 12th it's up to you guys whatever you
wish yeah I can I can if you want that's fine okay then then I'll do it the we'll do it the 12 thank you because if we're doing these things Bill and you're not here it doesn't help us at all yeah okay no I appreciate accommodating me thank
you okay so that's that one now if if we go and septic systems I I think are are reasonably easy I'll give it there's only a couple of them that are coming in the first
one is boban uh 195 Bachelor Street that's right next to the the uh lanebrook and right next to the little Cemetery that's on on Bad Street really
it touches it and it's a repair for complete system it's a four bedroom house C is paid the review is complete a little lot it's cleared rasy uh deep Sands with an 87 inch water
table it's SL it slow slightly down to the rear that's to the north uh there's no Wetlands uh the public water in the lots that are in its rear the ones on Lane brookers they've got a public water supply the issues
that on that one this one a very small lot the water table the the uh system uh Reeds the the nitrogen loading guidelines for this lot in the areas in
general and also there was only one uh deple I thought that that this was a shallow well and it's not I talked to Bob it's a Bedrock well so the the design is
for that is not a m it's not it's not existing it's a new where I've got it written down existing 1500 gallons a new 1500 gallon two compartment tank with Outlet filter he's got
three 3 foot by 30 36 ft by 15 in effective sidewall trenches each one of the trenches has nine quick four infiltrator Chambers it's vented it's also got a th gallon pump chamber with a
single pump with the controls and alarms that are are code uh the building piping the outlet piping must be raised he's got and he's calling it out he's got 57 7 gallons a day are provided
versus 550 required bill is required in between and over these these infiltrators the reserve area is not provided they're they're tight it's 6et between them we did get 5 foot water
table separation there's no ballast required uh the existing septic tank is going to be pumped crushed and filled the the existing Lea tank is going to its metal is going to be pumped removed and
backfilled uh the existing tank Bob has got called out but his pipe goes through it it's new pipe to the tank out in the back goes through that area and he's got it called out that it's got to be compacted
to allow that pipe to go through that hole there is a variance required for the fact that he's just done a single hole a depole they didn't do more than one because of crost and it turns out in that area with all the same soil
for I don't know 10 acres 20 acres it's all maybe 50 acres the water test was done on this one showing that it was clean in terms of biological
contamination and it was not affected by nitrogen the uh septic tank and the SAS separation to other Wells and wetlands they're all over 100 feet the disuss on this one is that a Trent permit is
required a plumbing permit is required for the the new pipe leaving the house there is fill required an electrical permit is required for the pump we need to approve the variance of the single depole and the
he's got an error in his data on the the water table elevation got a wrong number he's got the right design with the wrong number on the on the little chart he's gonna fix that on on the depole mode and
when I tried to understand it he called out for events on the the ends of the the the chambers the leasing Chambers but I couldn't understand how the vents were going to work and he's going to mod he's GNA change in fact Colleen may
already have it the the change on the the designed to show how the vents are done so discussion guys yeah is Bob there latest I am here hey Bob hi Bill
shahen here hi Bob hey um are you running a spine down the infiltrators or you just dumping it into the front the front unit something in at the front unit okay and you and you put a splash plate right at the a stone or something okay okay
that's good that's that's the standard practice now dick years ago we used to run a spine yeah but infiltrator years ago they said you don't need to do that you can just drop it in on the first unit and then it just finds its way out to the end okay
thank you so any other anything else there that Lee and and Bill I'm obviously I'm okay with this because I reviewed it and said the review is complete yeah I'm
good Lee you were out there looks like we lost Le so Bill we also have to we have to vote specifically to approve the variance for the single depole are you okay with that yes I am too colen so
this is all approved Yep this is all good okay and now le typed in the ne the next one we've got okay is did thank you folks okay good night thank
you the next one is Frank su's house on Al the stre we we touched on it the last meeting the review is complete this is a the house is basically on a mound of
rocks and they put a new well in sometime ago that's probably in a spot that a septic system would have gone and uh so that that we've got mainly cleared 1.8 acre lot deep seing
and Bedrock right in the spot where the system the SAS is going to go with is if you go from the street it is right inside the street on the right of the the driveway at the bottom of the hill
along the street no water table no Wetlands near this the wetlands are in the back and not so so dick it's between the driveway and the trout lily Drive correct no no trout lily is well today
East and on the opposite side of the road this would be if you're coming in from from ammer Street you've got a few houses on the right there there's kind of a level area then it dips down where the power lines go
across and this would be the next house on the right still on on just past the power lines in fact if you from that spot you can look in the backyard of uh Luca PES well is it is it near Bill Bell
Castro's house I'm not sure where that is I think he's 128 Aldridge but the right and in fact B if you're driving just uh Frank's daughter had a house in
the back of of Frank's house in the driveway a bu a little Vernal pool a big burn po yeah I know I know exactly where that is okay so it's just before if you're coming in from Amry it's just
before that Vernal pool Okay so we've got a very very limited area for the SAS shallow to lead it's slow the oh this these are the issues I'm looking the way my thing printed out
the issues were on my page before this uh a the area where the SAS and a kind of a curv to it uh where the original design the south end of the SAS was too deep and the North End was too near the
ledge uh what Neil did is he's got a new 1500 gallon two compartment septic tank with Outlet filter and he's got two three feet by 50 feet by 24 foot effective sidew trenches
slightly Terrace to fit in that little spot uh they're not vented 15 uh 518 gallons a day are provided versus 440 required uh they're tight so there's no
Reserve area still is required he was able to get the 5 foot water table separation ballast isn't required and the existing tank with in Le pit were up near the house are to the pump crust and
Sil the septic tank and SF separation the wells and wetlands are more than a meeting I call you back okay and uh a fren permit oh that the Note
require that we required a princh permit isn't on this or wasn't on it and the also the fill requirement for the the issues to be discussed what are what are
your thoughts what's the address of the house uh let me see I can give it to you it is uh 116 Aldridge Street okay oh okay I see it Lee you were out
there what was your thought on on this one um there is quite a bit of ledge on the property there's not a ton of working
room um the new well was put in on the other side of the property uh I believe given the site conditions is is probably as good as uh we're going to be
allowed to get yeah dick is there an encroachment from the power line there must be a RightWay encroachment there right there but his his house is is to the east of that well I see that I'm looking at the picture right now I'm looking at the aerial
photo I wouldn't be surprised you know when you look at it I wouldn't be surprised if the well is actually in that it may be outside of it but it's it must be quotes it's a tiny lot though well it it it says 1.6 acres but
it's but this when I looked at it I don't think he's got in fact Neil chained it he had a he was trying to put a bed in there and I that's where that my note said that the bed was at trying to squeeze it in and put a level bed in
there but one corner of it had about five feet of cover on it the other corner of it was as he to because of the slopes and the curves and the other one was about three feet to the ledge and I said g NE look to me
like putting two terrorist trenches that kind of snaked around and sit with the with the Contours would be a way better thing and when Neil went back and did it it ABS absolutely was it fit made there's a there's a bunch of pine trees on the property too Spruce or Pines
yeah okay well fit whatever you can on that property that's all I can see yeah the other I don't see Neil here yet because I wanted to talk to Neil about a Title Five that's that's coming as our correspondent and doing a
Title Five and that that was on the let me see where it is we can well if Neil's not here yet it doesn't much matter but but uh I had a real issue with with Neil
sub a a Title Five this is at sixwood Avenue and he submitted a Title Five that passes and it it looks like it's a it could be a 50 or 60 or 70 year old
system he just puts down that without pumping the tank out he got a thousand gallon tank and he says it's in great shape and without looking at it all right and then he says it's a water table that's deeper than 48 in without
digging a hole Yeah and and and the way he said it he didn't say what the water table was he said what it wasn't he says there's no water any that
48 in that doesn't mean that there's no modeling it just there no water and someone else determined it so I'd like to really see and now we've got an owner that says hey I've got a great system I don't want to fix it and the board of health is going to be saying look at you
don't know where the distance of the water table is you're not the three feet that you're required and you got a thousand gallon tank that's my guess is a 75 or 50 year old thousand gallon tank is probably no good anyways but but he's giving apparently from Colleen's notes
to us he's challenging her but it starts with Neil giving a Title Five that that you know you might as well do the title five from the back of the truck I mentioned to Neil and the
homeowner uh on site that the thousand gallon tank could be replaced to A500 yeah the homeowner took some exception to that since he bought the house about five years ago
and thought that it was good then it's good now um I just told him that the regulations that changed been upgraded and that um it would have to be dealt
with see Neil is here are you with us Neil I am yeah yeah what happened is is we did we did approve Frank susa's uh design okay okay good thank you but we're we're discussing out
little out of sequence that that I'm really upset with a a Title Five at nine Wood Avenue that that you gave out as a as a
pass where and the homeowners now upset we've got a a thousand gallon tank that that the board doesn't allow the the thousands to go but your report says it's a fine pank
in great shape without even pumping it out so it might not even have a bottom to it 70 years old or whatever it is and we say dig a hole on the top and say that's a beauty so so we got that and
we've got a a water table that says it's not it doesn't say where it is it says it's not 48 inches well it's not 300 Ines and it's not 20 Ines and it says I didn't look at it someone else says
it's not at 48 so I'm going to tell you it passes without looking in the ground and without looking in the pank and now the homeowners mad at well whoa whoa whoa he he was mad he was mad before because he bought a house 5 years ago
with a thousand gallon tank and he he thinks it should have been en forced five years ago yeah but but we all know that this board two things about water tabl one is
that this board requires three feet from the bottom of the sa as to the water table and that the water table has to be determined by a a soil event but you accepted a Title Five in 2019 that said four feet and
that's you're the one that signed this thing saying it it's here where on your drawing just tell me tell us this board where on this form does it say where the water table is well I took it from the title five on
record no you didn't it says it's not at 48 that's what your form says the water table's not at 48 it doesn't say what it is it says what it's not so it's not at 20 it may be 24 okay all right well I know you're going to make a stick a hole
so I mean I I think it's a mute point what do you mean well you're going to make me dig a hole right well I think what's going to happen is the Board of Health is just going to say the code at least the code as I read it says
that the soil evaluator shall determine the water table and this form does not have what the water table is and the code clearly says the water table shall be determined right well I think that's may have done
the wrong thing before but this is this this title five so right it shouldn't have said not it should have said 48 because that's what the last Title Five said so that's that's a error on my part writing it up so but we do have the Lee and and
buil we're our regulation that we're going by if we look back says that the water table will be determined by a soil evaluator and it'll will have three feet at least from the bottom of the SAS for
the water table and we won't have smaller than 1500 gallon tax is that correct that's correct is that is are those officially regulations now those are official regulations okay
dick I don't think we voted that three-foot water table in officially we certainly did Colleen found it and we voted it you know from a technical perspective I disagree with that but that's just my
own feeling then we shouldn't have voted it and then we should beg and what Neil is saying we you know what we ought to do is I guess who maybe go back to I don't know what you want to do don't have any regulations I I think we had to reconsider the three foot I think the
three foot's a little over the top frankly that's my opinion for what it's worth do you think when I go on perk test on new new design or what whatever do you think I ought to tell him that
tell Neil bill says we GNA go with title new new construction is different than an existing facility that's been running satisfactorily for years and years and
years and and has a developed bi I got this feeling though that we're setting this up for the next the next discussion that's going to come up when we get to Ken Lane and said Gee this what this thing's been working for 75 years let's
let her rip let's not let's not worry about it it doesn't matter that the water smells the sewage in the ground well but we're going to let them rip because it's been running for 75 years there something go into the brook but again dick but again dick I think the
three foot the 36 inch Criterion is arbitrary in my opinion you know why don't you make it 48 why don't you make it 60 because we had that discussion and we we had this very very the three of us
had that discussion and we came to a conclusion and if and the reason we did it is so we would people like Neil would know how the board was going to behave because you got to remember for
years and years and years we had the one inch you know the zero plus Criterion so we went from zero plus to 36 inches in a heartbeat I didn't say that that was okay and when we read Title Five it says
that the Board of Health can in fact look at soil conditions and determine what should be to protect the environment and and if you look at the title five inspections it says you can
take some pretty untrained people and say that if this fails these are so bad failures that even an untrained person can say it's hard horrible but I guess I guess we I really
don't agree with it uh we're at a spot right now again again it's good to have a difference in opinion it's not it's unhealthy to agree with everything that everybody says it's good to have a difference of opinion from time to time well it is in fact we we work it out but
right now today well I guess we it's it's not this discussion doesn't have to be had right now because we don't know where it is that that it could in fact in that location that water table could be 10 feet
deep right and if if you said that you found out it was you know there's a there's a frog pond at the end of that road that's pretty far down and it's this is really coarse
soil you know Neil if if you said you went out there and you couldn't find any water table that wouldn't surprise me no but I figured we were going to have to replace a tank and and you specifically said that we could pass
these title fives and the board would take it upon themselves to reject it and you said that the board would take the blame for these regulations not the inspector that the inspector was required to follow Title 5 regulations and that's I agree with that oh you did
how did you how do you know how do you know there's a bottom of not tank how do you know that that's 7 old but why would I pump it if I know you're gonna make him replace it I'm not gonna waste the money I agree if you said to me okay
Neil you got to go pump that and finish the inspection on that tank and if it's good then they can keep it but I know that's not what's going to that's not what's going to happen I I know that's not what's going to happen right I agree I agree with you I thought about it and
I said you know what if I were Neil I would have said you know homeowner this is going to cost you 400 bucks to pump this thing out and the Board of Health is gonna tell you to replace it whether the Tank's b or not and that's what I told them yeah but but what you wrote is
that the tank was in fine shap you didn't write but I didn't evaluate it because the board was going to make us a replace it but I know that's what's going to happen yeah but that's not what you roll right
title Title Five doesn't require us to pump those tanks through an inspection it requires you to do what you need to do to determine whether that tank has got any failures or it's it's structurally not in good shape and a 50 or 75 year old tank diing a three- foot
diameter hole and look at the top of it doesn't tell you that no you're right but but again I know you're going to make and replace it anyway so am I gonna spend am i g to break through a foot of frost to do that
no I'm not I don't think so but but what you do is write down on the form that that's what happen instead of now the the homeowner got a thing that says D Neil Jackson said this is a great
prank and we don't know that and it's just like saying that the water table is at 48 Ines because someone else did it and you don't have any idea whether the person that did it has the qualifications to determine whether in
fact in fact it doesn't yes I do know I do know because he's a soil evaluator and I do know that the Board of Health and grany accepted that title five five years ago those two things I do know okay we've got a thing right now where
Bill is saying he doesn't want to go wrong with a three-foot any so no I think we should revisit it I'd like to revisit it on a purely technical basis rather than the way we we promulgated that regulation a while back I think we
we kind of did it off the cuff and I think we can we can do that let's not let's not waste time on this tonight it's 7:32 already yeah but reg recognize the board does at this instant have that
regulation that the board at this point in time it's in effect that's right that's right colen can we put that on the next agenda the water table Separation on Title Five inspections so
that we do we do discuss it yeah in I had sent out some technical information on um water table separation some scientific information and Engineering data some time ago make sure
all the board members get that if you would please okay thank you okay and I'd like a copy of that too Colleen if I could yes sure well now we're we didn't get to that title five the but the
question as long as is Neil is here what the I expect that the board will be telling you Neil you're correct in saying that the board is going to say that that that thousand gallon tit needs
to be replaced right I think I absolutely agree as a as a representative of your client is in his best interest for you to say hey I'm not going to be digging all over the place to value that
evaluate that tank and I'm not going to suggest that you pay $400 to pump out something this board is going to tell you to replace that's in your client's best interest right so I I guess Bill and Lee are we saying that that in terms of the SAS we
need to know where the water table yes y and have some Neil and have some sense you probably can tell when I don't know what the what the system looks like it's
in salt so what we're really looking for is water table separation so you can probably you put on the drawing I think that the top of the tank has 18 inches of cover yes I'm guessing that I don't
but I'm guessing I don't know what the the the topography looks like but you probably can guesstimate as to where the bottom of the SAS is right well I figured if we're going to replace a tank we could dig a deeple
at the same time and determine it and that save that saves the the homeowner some more money right that's why I did it that way yeah so so here's my question um
listening to this and I I I get both sides um are we going to data here I don't know if it's my computer or yours or your phone Le but I
didn't hear what you said are we gonna be capping uh the data from a Time perspective in other words uh on this particular piece of property the title fight was done four or five
years ago and Neil draged that same data forward um but going forward let's make pretend six years from now um same piece of property Chang his hands again and are
we going to be accepting the data from at that point which would be 10 or 11 years ago you know what I mean what what we have said is that the water table has to be
determined by a licensed oil evaluator and it doesn't matter when it was determined so if if five years ago let's say Neil had the data for whoever it is that he knows is the soil
EV Val and that person actually did go down dig the hole it said you know what water table I I see models or I don't see models whatever I've got I'm a soil evaluator and I'm determining that water
table is is deeper than 120 Ines then that's what then Neil doesn't have to dig another hole that's says and if Neil does it this time the next person coming through doesn't have to dig another hole but what we said is that because
these systems in the the title fives can be done by people who don't have the training to determine water tables that the board is going to say that's how we determine it by people who do have the training to do
that because with Title Five inspection says you can look in Cellar holes you can look at whatever you can look at the topography but but we as a board said that it's a that and I think Neil has done it before
I think he even dug up grindes that Shen has had before and said this is what they did at the installation and this is where they found it and we we accept it because it's a Title Five of valway soil okay I get it all right that's what
that's what our policy is so when we get to this thing that's what we're going to be and I guess this from a homeowner standpoint what are we'll just be saying that we have to determine the water table and the tank
the thousand gallon tank has to be replaced with a 1500 is that is that what we're saying Le and Bill that's my impression yes did we lose you Bill how old's the SAS on this Neil oh it's old for
sure I don't think there was any record I don't remember exactly but it's old it has a built-in baffle So that obviously the tanks been there for a while they haven't done those in quite a while 50 Years
anyway probably more like 60 okay so at the very least you're going to change out the tank yep and it's now does it have a debox or no debuck this a dbuck yeah so and
again we were going to do a Depot when he put in the tank cuz he's right there digging so has the dbox been replaced it was replaced in 2019 and it was permitted to be replaced well like you say I think Dick's right first thing let's find out
where the water table is then we'll go from there okay I guess Bill is that it's going to be a different the discussion we're still gonna have to have we'll have but on this one I think we're going to find that the water
table's really deep that's what I think yeah I'm not famili dick that's up in it's off of 116 in the quinnville section right no no it's off of Daryl Daryl uh lane or Daryl drive or whatever it is Daryl Drive oh
okay yeah that's a lot that's good material there is it North of Bachelor or south of Bachelor North North North off Porter Street yeah across the street from there
if you came out of Porter Street and took a right it would be on the left and it it's there most of it is good sand and then depending on where you go it AB but some fingers the ledge that comes out from
the mountains well that's the problem the water you probably get all your your hydrology is the water's coming off the mountain you get tons of water coming off that hill in the spring you may but what happens is this St bill is probably five five seconds an inch soil oh I know
a it's a really poor standand I know that yeah you're right in there and and if you look if you go in that I don't know if one is barrel and one's wood but one of them if you go in and take a right in the and towards the end of it
Kevin Kevin Brook built on the other side of that Wetland right has a a house that that they did or or sold and at the end of that street the road goes down to the right and it goes
around the I don't know if it's even called the Vernal pool it may be a pond permanently I'm not sure it ever dries out but but it's pretty low so so you could end up that that this has got a kind of a low a low water
table so you just you don't know though bill as you said depending on where it is compared to that rock because you've got a little stream where Porter Street comes out that little stream comes down out of the mountain and then on the
other side where the road really turns hard to if you were going to the the East the road really turns hard and there you go over a a fire pond in a in a scam that's right yeah because Kevin Brooks's Barn is there then he built a
house for his daughter there that's right that's right on that that's right well he if you go in next to his barn on the left there's a a field way in there and that field goes in and a but this this property okay okay that's where
that that pond is in there yeah yeah they filed for a wetland permit I've been on that property okay yeah okay all right Neil you know what you have to do I do okay thank you you and Greg's already looked at it so we're
working on it all right okay bye all right thank you bye thank you I think I think Lynn is here for her 7:15 but yeah I've been here I've been here the whole time
listening hi hi Lyn how are you how are you I'm good how are you good so Pizza Palace right found that that's our that's our place the the discussion the discussion we
had yeah I know there well it's actually true that you could we needed your help the first one the the three of us talked about a three compartment sink and we
our conclusion whether it was right or wrong our conclusion is that if somebody if you if you look at a reasonably old regulation that if you had an automated
dishwashing system in then more than likely an automated dishwashing system coupled with a two compartment sync would be equal to or better than a
three compart Department with no automated yeah dishwashing system L Lynn I got a question for you sure Lyn I um yeah I'm here yeah I looked I looked at the state Rag and it refer to the food food code 2013 is that
what you're using that's what we're using yeah okay because I looked at that pretty carefully and I think it will allow you to go to the two compartment sink as dick arguing but talked about service syns
and it really really says you can't use your service sync or I should say you cannot use a toilet as a service sync you cannot yeah and that's what they wanted to do dick let's do the let's do the two compartment thing first let's
keep the two things separate all right so okay so Lynn would that's that one would you think thinking that it's okay I it's it's it's funny with the two
compartment thing because there is a way to go around it um and they do have that option because they do I have to say their dishwasher is a high temp and it's always temped and a very like always
right because I temp it um and so if they function that way way that's fine my only concern was a handwashing sink that's around in the front but that's a whole other story but technically they have a handwashing sink
so but yes to answer your question yes the only problem with that is the fact that like I don't know how many vegetables are washing or what they're doing but when you have a t compartment sink and that's it I don't
know where you're washing your vegetables what oh like typically you have a three compartment sink and then you have another sink to deal with vegetables you know what I mean so that like I I just I'm not sure what exactly their
practices are I guess is is what I'm saying and as far as doing the dishes absolutely they they have they can do it there is you're right there is um I can't remember which code it is but in the um the food code I can't remember
what number it is is what I'm saying is that it is there yeah um definitely um I don't again I don't know what they're doing to do like typically what you have to do is line the sink um with
a specific liner when you're do washing your vegetables and cutting them you know doing all that I'm just you just assume that's what they're doing how's that and then so yes B that's a really terrible assumption though oh I know I
know believe me I know I'm just saying that's a big assumption so I mean I don't know maybe Lyn but I as you're talking through maybe what we do have to be
saying as Bill just talked about is say guys you really do need to be deal with the the single compartment sink that you can do the vegetables in and the flat sink figure out what to do and come up have them come up with a plan to
get that thing in those things installed yeah and again with the mops sync they don't have a m sync and yeah Bill's right like they you know they were doing that toilet or whatever they were doing they were washing it and
dumping in the toilet um and from what I understand what I've were they told me that they were washing it outside away from the well um because apparently there's a well somewhere over there um and all that so that's where I was like you know what you can get away with a handwashing sink around the corner and
maybe the two Bas sink but I don't know about the mop syn like I you know that's where it starts to get a little tricky and I understand this business opened up back in the 70s and all that and like things have changed but this is the opportunity with a new owner coming in to bring it up to par like is my opinion
opion so that's right what as we said to them when they were in here it said what if if were a hundred years old and you say hey it's been like this for a hundred years we don't ever have to do anything and you're you
know you're storing you're storing your your meat outside in a in a box because it's cold enough out there and said I done for a hundred years there are only a few people that died so it's pretty good so right yeah I
just don't know how you want to go about this as far as Authority and all that because that that would be an official letter and all that because I'm telling you there's going to be some major as you guys know like it's going to be a major push back on this one because I
was I felt it when I was in the restaurant when I was there so um and harsh words were said so I don't know how you want to go about this exactly I got this restaurant has not
been this if you look in our files you're gonna find out that this restaurant is does not have an absolute Lily white record you it Lynn is the is the kitchen
area is the floor concrete or is it wood o I believe it's con it's not wood it's concrete okay but I have to double check you know I get you know there's so many restaurants but I want to I think it was
would it would have stuck out with me but I'm not 100% okay okay and Dick this gets back to it I said last time is that hopefully somebody knows where the drain lines are under the slab and maybe
they can make a very simple connection for the mop syn without ripping the entire floor out of the building right that's the concern I have right but messy there but somebody
could look it seems to me that that the first thing that that the board should be doing is saying we have listened to this and we do feel that you can deal with
the two compartment s in the high temperature diswasher but you need the other think for the the vegetables the handwashing and the the flap sink and you have to come up with a plan and tell you know
hire the person to the plumber to come up and say this is what it takes to do but you can't the I don't think it's the since the board doesn't have drawings and the board doesn't Design Systems the board can only say that's what you need to do and let them come
back and say you know this is going to be $150,000 but I've had a feeling that's not going to be the case but but uh but we don't know that I don't know that but if if the board says Nah don't
worry about it you don't have to follow the those Health rule know what if you look at say what if it was that no people don't have to wear hair nets they've never worn hair nets for 58 years and you say you know we got hair
falling in the in the food and you say well I've been doing it for 50 years do we just say that's okay because you've been doing it for 50 years hey dick there's still there's still wooden pipes feeding the uh quab into Boston so those pipes are 200 years old too
yeah but again time for an upgrade but I think like you say if they if they can demonstrate the cost is going to be supremely absorbent then we'll have to make adjustments but let's find out what the cost is going to really be that's
how you start and and maybe maybe they you know I thought about it different ways and said what if these guys instead of of doing what we're you know the straightforward Let It Go on the ground
what if there's a think with with a sump with a a pump that pumps over into the drains that are on the surface or that the that whatever that but but it would be start by saying as Lynn saying this
is a new owner this is a new start in it's time it's it's exactly the way we deal with septic systems when when people have lived in a house for a hundred years or 50 years and say hey I've did this for 50 years and we say you know what it is time you know you
the systems have worn out the times have changed it's time to fix the system when you sell your house and and Len's right I think Len's right that that you say this is a good opportunity not to move bad things along
for another 50 years you say let's fix some of the big ones yeah like you said it's a property transfer now's the time to deal with it ah yeah I mean to me like this is the time to do it whenever you know I get it when you've been there for 50 years or
whatever you know that the food code Chang and everything else but like when you have a new owner they really should know what the food code is and what is required and when you buy the property you should know that and so I don't know I'm not saying we should go in and like
hey you need to do this this and this but like at least start you know having a plan like and like I'm going to put this in and within with you know whatever I don't know you know like something and then you just kind of move forward that's all and it's the kind of
thing that we have to I think we have to be careful that if a a buyer and a seller haven't done the right thing in whoever's eyes they are I don't know whether it's a seller eyes or buyer's eyes that they say you know I'm buying
this thing and the things should be up to close and if if the normal when you sell a house we sold my parents house and they they went when we went to sell it the buyer said you know what it needs
to be up to code and we said you're right it needs to be up to code so that we had to deal with it and it and it's a byell agreement but we don't you don't go and say you know what these two people decided it's not going to be up
the coast and no one's going to pay for it and the town of gamby's going to live with a building that's not up the coast that's not their choice can I ask a question just just for clarification so when a business
like a like in this one it was sold like would it be possible for grany I don't know how you guys do things before the new owner takes over and buys it that he's got to do a like typically you
would do a floor plan and this is what I had because he's a new technically he's going to be a new owner so you you you present the floor plan to the Board of Health and you look it over and you either agree or you don't and if it's not up to code you'll be like well this is what you need to
do and you either buy it or you don't um Len in my conversation with a new person at the helm um I don't think he's bought it think it's a leas
I don't know where that fits into this but that's my I could be wrong oh okay I okay I think he's leasing the building a new owner though the building
the business is a new owner yes that's right so who owns the business is it going to be this new guy or the other or the other one the new guy right yes the new guy has the business but the uh
martiz still owns uh the building from my understanding huh like that well that that's interesting still it doesn't matter because there's lots of places if if you look at Dollar General Dollar General
maybe owns the building now but but at least a little while ago they didn't they have they own the business but not the building they they Leach the building and if if you look at the dressle service station you got somebody
that owns the business and someone else owns the building so it's not not an unusual thing but it it but it's the business that needs the business operation needs to be the code and I think you're right ly that
that that they should be they they needed a new license and the board really should be saying we I think I think you're right that this is a brand new thing are we gonna does it sit should you get a
license and and Lee and Bill I don't think we did that did we we didn't I don't think I don't think so I yeah I just think like moving forward whenever there's a new business honestly like you really should put like a a a floor plan the board has to agree
with the four plan and that's when you say you you know if you're going to take over this or you're buying this whatever you need three Bas think you know you need this you need a m blah blah blah you go on and on whatever they need and then you know and then you go from there
yeah because this is this is the these are the rules so you either do it or you don't like you know what I mean but in this case it just you know now he took you know I know he's leasing it or whatever but like at the end of the day he's that's him so we it's I guess it was
done in a different way and so now he's you know he's probably gonna fight back on it if I had to guess but it's not as you point out Glen is it's a financial issue between the owner of the business and the owner of
the building and they need to work that out is the fact that let's say Harry's family says I don't want to spend the penny on this place that the town of Gran shouldn't be saying that's okay you
can continue that that way that but we have to go to the business and say you have to run a business that's not going to get people sick curious and these are the rules that you go and who pays for it isn't our Our concern is that it
needs to be done to be safe and no 100% yeah I agree yeah it's it's not with the Board of Health like you're just we don't make up the rules the rules are there like you either you know what I mean you either I don't know
but I'm I I just I've dealt with both of them and it's it's especially um the person who owns the the building is is going to be um I don't know difficult I guess is the word so Lynn Lynn and other
communities that you've worked in it seems as though in other communities um they have required upgrades upon transfer of businesses is that right yes absolutely you can't that
that's the opportunity because if you're there for 30 years or 40 years like we're not going to come in there and like you know it it's just not fair because somebody okayed it back in the day it is what it is but the minute they they sell it and now we're up to you know you want to be up to code and like
you cannot you got to get a put a well anyone that switches no matter what you need to get a floor plan we need to approve it and then that's that's how it happens and if you don't want to do it you won't get a you won't get a Board of Health permit and you can't operate it's that simple now are all these Comm the
other communities that you work in are they all more or less consistent say say you work in and again I'm just throwing some names out there say you work in Hadley Northampton and ammer just say for the sake of argument would all those three communities be
reasonably consistent in this protocol honestly I I believe most of them are I don't know I only know about the community that I work in which is Holio okay um so I work for Holio and that's what we do and I know other
communities do it and some are a little lenient but I know llo is very stringent as well and like not the community that I worked in but like I just know you know you're in the community for you know I've been working in in this field for eight years so I've been around and
so I do know most them do what I do know is that eastampton North Northampton pooke at least do it that way I'm not I think soft Hadley does it as well but I'm not 100% okay well I guess that's good information dick and
Le maybe we should jump on that bandwagon and follow that strategy I would say that that we should and we don't have that many of them but that that it seems like really Lal way
and but it it does answer the question on this one that that my proposal for us is would be that Lynn go back and say the board says that that they would go along
with with the the two Bay think with the high temperature dishwasher but we need the plan we we're going to require the the the single SN plus the you know the mob syn and you
have to come with the plan we want it done and give us the plan to get it done and say the the board is saying it's got to be done within the next few months what what are your thoughts still
and and see what comes back yeah I mean I I have no problem doing that and see where they're at but I I I really I know there's not that many like restaurants here to you know for this to be an issue but um I really
do like it just saves all this honestly because you'll get and they it can be handdrawn it's nothing have to be like technical as long as you know where the mop syns are where the hand sinks are a three Bay syn we just get like half the time like a um just a a drawn plan and
we look over it and we either okay it or we don't and then we go and do a pre-inspection and then you know what I mean so it's that way you don't have to deal with any of this so these arguments you know what I
mean over who does what or why yeah I'm guess I'm guessing they're not goingon to want to do everything at once they're probably seg segment the work which is fine so that means we have to prioritize which is the most important which is the
second most important which is the third most important so if if we deem the service sync to be the most important maybe that's what they should focus on first my suggestion bill is to to let
Glen tell them don't we should assume they're goingon to do anything that we should tell them this is what we want done and let them come back with some kind of well just I'm just I'm just playing Devil's at this is what they're going to come back with they're going to come back with a segmented timeline
which is fine yeah if it if it ends up being a measurable timeline it'll it'll get done and then Lynn won't have to worry about it she'll say okay this one's going to be done in in 30 days and this
one's going to be done in nine months and then when it will be all said right that's right that's right yeah now um Lynn from from my perspective um I wouldn't go in the next day or two
uh they just got robbed last night um so they may need a little time to heal the wound of having somebody break into the place while they were gone and take all the money okay I I
appreciate that tip I won't do that yeah because spending more money right now is not gonna go over well no I know yeah okay I got it um so with your PR like your opinion like or whatever like do
you want me to tell them to get the mop syn going first no no no tell them we want both of those things yeah okay give give them the whole laundry list and let let them come back at us let them do it okay yeah let them determine what they
want to do when okay it it may be you know as Bill's talking that maybe they say you know what we're gonna have to put a pipe in here and once we put the pipe then they're going to be whatever the work is they say G we're going to
put two outlets is keep the put one and let's get it done but or they don't have to do any whatever it is that okay they should be doing it look at get their plumber and say this is what we're gonna do okay yep that's fine yeah okay okay
okay okay and then FYI I'm meeting with DP about uh Subway and their issue with the water so just give your heads up I'll I'm sure you'll get a report okay thank you thank you thank you have a good
night thanks thanks by bye good night bye bye bye well the bad news we were really really late the good news were already done
with Bob Sheen Neil Jackson Tim mcginness uh is not is not coming I don't think I talked to Tim he did look at our last me that's on one Jennifer Drive he
did look at our our last session and I talked to him yesterday he was away last week and uh he's gonna go and look that the owner doesn't want that the septic tank that is there under the driveway so
it's moving out anyways what Tim said he was going to do is he was going to continue with the the design for a five-bedroom house he was going to go raise get every inch he could get by lifting it everything up even the
plumbing coming out of the house if he can he says I think what I'm going to do is end up putting it right where the old system was and he's going to use the the Elgen in a trench layout not in a bed
layout and he's gonna see how it fits in so it sounds like exactly what we were Desiring for him to do he's going to do and get back to it okay very good so so that just freed
up our time and [Music] we're 809 and Diane Percy was due at 755 and we're late we're
7:45 so so anyway Dian are you here I am here hello how are you hello hello hello everybody hi we I don't know if you well you saw the letter from from
Allan I do have the letter from Alan yeah just just so you know what I would I by the way I was there so to see yes my sister told me you were there yeah yeah and and what I I was really
careful to to get us into a spot that we had our good handle on what we were looking at in the gr and what Allan what Allan found he talked about it's it's a tank the tank isn't is a little tank
it's probably 800 gallons uh it is it it's corroded uh it would it wouldn't pass uh what title five would say that's a
satisfactory condition tank but it wasn't a tank that was obvious it's not falling apart it's it's it's broken and it has cracks in it not pieces that are falling through it but it it would it's
a tank that Title Five inspection would say would have to be rep what we were really careful to do is to look at the water and the the water table I can't remember what it is let's say let's say
it was I think it was actually 28 inches which is what the high one right be careful B when I st I have to be clear so Dave is there too right now but but uh when I talk about water that would be
what ti5 would call the called high water table that would be the water the level that title five would
say would be the highest it normally gets what we saw for a water table was somewhere in the neighborhood of I think it was 42 or 48 inches that's
what the water was actually at when we we dug that and we found but I say we I witnessed it but I'm the one that's here but Allan isn't but what we
found coming out of the tank was a single pipe that splits in in two it has like a Y in it so it or a T I think it it's a y but it comes out of the tank and flips it's it's a a very old pipe it
look to me like it was they call Orangeburg it's it's like an asphal and fiber pipe and then it looked like it goes into tiles the little pieces of plate typ that just
kind of laid together they're probably 15 inches long or so when they they act like a leak line because they're not laid tight to each other they leak at the joints and so it leaks into the ground and the best we could tell
judging we measured down they measured down from the the ground to the top of the tank and then to the top of the pipe and it it looked like if if you look at the average we didn't destroy the leak
lines we found Stone uh and the that was the the leeching stone that was around the pipe but typically a pipe and a a leak line like
that would be a foot so if you measure down we found that the bottom of the stone of the pipe would actually be below the the were we called the high
water table but when we looked in the hole in the ground the bottom of that stone was definitely above where the water is right
now which which says that could that could you repeat that could you repeat yes I wanted yeah that's why I tried to say EXP flode diet so I'm yeah I'm going to say if you if you look at two levels of
water one of the levels is one that you call based on rust in a soil and that that comes at a spot where the oxygen from the air that you know
that above the ground goes down into the ground and it hits the water from the ground that's coming up and in the spot that they Pi the iron in the soil turns into rust and and you can look and you
can see that you can see that rust and that's a spot that the state says is what you call the the called high water that's that's the design value that's what you use for design that's right
that you say water comes up to that level probably reasonably routinely at the highest water when it's the highest in the in the year not all year eight eight years out
of 10 statistically that's the way they worded that okay so so that level we found Diane was from what from what we could see from the depth of of your pipe
and the stone that water that level is actually above the bottom of the stone in your leash field so from that standpoint if you just did a tital Five
inspection that would say that your tank was was not in a condition to pass the tital 5 and the water table even under the title five uh requirements which are different
than ours but the title five requirements would say the water table is too high for that leas so both of those conditions would say had you done a Title Five inspection it would have
failed a Title Five inspection however now we look and say where was the actual water the water that we saw was in the
neighborhood of 42 in or 48 in is I recall I think it was 42 so the water that we saw on the ground a couple weeks ago three weeks ago gu now the water in the ground was at least a foot below the
bottom of the stone in your Leaf field so three weeks ago your system was not flooded by the water in the ground so as as Allan and I talked about it there standing I said we're we're
here we've got Josh goler was there too I said the three of us are here let's be V talking we're here if we want to dig more holes if we want to do it what the Board of Health really needs to be doing
here is finding out these the two things of one does the thing need to be replaced according to title five and two are we in such a problem here that the
system is flooded and it's not working at all and it's a crisis that we all need to sit here and look at this and determine if that in fact is true and we did we said we can determine that we can
determine that it is not a crisis it's a a thing that needs to be fixed but it is not a thing that needs to be fixed because it's in a catastrophic failure mode and when we look again going back
to that tank that says yeah that Tank's too small and yeah the tank got cracks but it's not a tank that's pouring water into the the ground that's not what's happening there so so it was very important when I talked to Allan I said
I need to walk out of here you as a sanitarian and me as a reasonably experienced engineer and board House member are we in a spot here that somebody has to say you can't flush this
toilet because we're causing horrible problems to the environment and we all the three of us agreed that is not the case so to be clear that the data the the title
five analysis would say that system failed a Title Five test which we did not do we did not do a Title Five inspection but we did the things that would have been
done in the title 5 and it said that would fail and it needs to be replaced but it doesn't need to be replaced in the next two weeks because it's causing your neighborhood a
disaster occurring that's what our conclusion was when we sat or stood on your on your lot three weeks ago okay all right does do you understand what what and we dug we dug near the Lea
field so it wasn't we were careful not to go way in the back and say oh we're into the spot that might be swampy or we didn't go near your house that said well maybe the the the new pump system pumped
out Waterway way down we said let's get close enough I I would guess I would guess our hole was within I would say within eight fet of where I would guess that your Le build
would be so so we we should have we should have got pretty good data we we did Allan did put a pipe in the ground uh not one that that bill would have designed to to do water
table testing will will tell us something but we did he did do that we found we found stands in there there no we didn't find any Clays we didn't find any rocks it was It was kind of find we found what we would
expect so okay Bill and Lee am I am I portraying this the way you you guys understand it too sure yes yes
okay but I my own the board the board hasn't hasn't discussed it I did I did ask Allan to to talk to you if he had a chance that that uh in terms of again
this board this is not this is my opinion right now and and Bill and Lee I'm sure will jump in if I if I were looking at this right now uh I was surprised Allan told me his brother
uh work for one of the planning groups that maybe lower Pioneer Valley planning or something but but he told me he said you know there's some programs around that for people and I don't know I don't know that
grany whether it's a a person driven thing or a town driven thing but he says you know there's some money out there that's that's almost free interest and if you live in a house for so many years after afterward you don't even have to pay the money back for a system I don't
I said you should be telling the homeowner about this but there's also uh for people who have financial needs I I don't know what's happening with the change in in management in our town Chris Martin used to have a thing that
essentially gave money back on a sliding scale gave money to people on a sliding scale it's money that the state gave us the Lo loan out and get back and and Chris used to work out a a nominal interest rate and a payment repayment
plan plane plan that fits whatever the homeowner needs but that was available but but if it were me right now what I would be doing is probably going to the engineer and say that both
of those would end up needing a design that has a CH of price on so that people financially uh on it if they're if they're going to be giving money but the the next logic dick just just to jump in
th those used to be known as Community block grants and they were administered by Pioneer Valley Planning Commission years ago certain communities um were eligible it was income
driven and by income I mean median income of inhabitants of the community I don't know if Granby qualifies okay now here's the point the block grant program was federally funded and I I got a feeling possibly Mr
musk might be doing away with that yeah so yeah it'd be wonderful to get this to go but I don't know if we should get our hopes up on this one yeah but it it seems like the the logical way to do
this though would be to to get some kind of a design in a at least in the the work so you could get up price and then my guess is that I guess
I guess I don't know but but I would think that whatever you ended up spending on the design would go into the whatever funding would be to build the system so it would
be I'm thinking probably upfront money from you for a design that you would get back as part of the construction but but yeah dick yeah the Pioneer Valley program covered construction and Engineering fees okay so so that would
be a correct assumption on on my part but but that's that's what I would that's what I would be doing I I think think again as as a board I'd lay on the table the the
the I would think that that since this is brand new information from the board Sayan I would be thinking that that uh
you would make a call to your engineer and say hey this is what these guys just told me what do you think it's going across to design this thing and and then come back to us in
one way or the other in the next couple weeks find something out and come back to us and say this is what my plan is that and that that you think about the plan that that it's that I don't know
how Bill and Lee feel but but my feeling right now now is since this is brand new information to you to for us to say right now to you what are you going to do about it isn't a fair a fair thing
that that again as a board and we should I should ask both Lee and and Bill I my feeling right now is that we are not at the point that we should be giving an order on anything given the fact that
the system is above the water table and are you guys at a spot that you think we should be we should be ordering anything be done or is it okay to have Diane think about it and come
back and and tell us what you'd like to be doing um yes I I want to um give Diane some time to digest the
data well Diane let me ask you have you and Alan been in touch since our last meeting yes and we are we going with we didn't go into deta we didn't go into detail and a lot of things but uh but a
lot of things that were said tonight um we talked about uh on our phone call so that's why that's why I'm recognizing some of the things that you're saying tonight um as things that either were in
his letter that we talked about I mean we didn't I have not asked him uh what he would charge for anything or because I didn't have I didn't have the information that I now
have okay okay I mean Bill are you okay with with not giving a an order and letting Diane move back from this and think about it try to come up with a a plan to come back to us and say this is what
I'm I plan to do she she could come back and say I don't plan to do anything and then the board could be you know would say okay then we'll behave in an appropriate way but but you could come back and say you know it's gonna my engineer told me it's gonna take I'm gonna do this it's gonna take him a
month to design it and then we're going to have to get a price and then we're going to go out and look at funding and his his timetable looks like uh it's a month to design it three weeks to get a
price and then another once we do that and we're we're going to get four different prices and it's going to take a month and then we're going to go and look for sources of funding and we're not going to be able to we can come back with their with
our design for you guys to approve in a month but for rough purposes it looks like the best we could even think about doing is going for funding in three months from now and we can't guarantee what the funding's going to be or what
the timing is and so what we're going to do is say in a month we'll give you a design to approve and then two months later we'll come back with a new schedule with some prices and new schedule if that's what you know you
came up with or whatever that I'm not giving you the answer I'm just saying that that that's the kind of thing that I would expect you to be coming back and telling them okay right and and and that being said dick I think the
sooner um the sooner that communication begins because uh we are finally getting a break from Winter and there's probably I'm guessing several several
uh locations throughout the valley in the same condition uh that Diane has and the sooner you get your name into the loop the better chances you have of securing
what monies um may be uh may be on the table the waiting I don't think is going to be advantageous um I think the quicker we it's it's not my project I get it but
the quicker we hit this thing the better off our success will be I think all said and done because in past I remember that the monies that became available got gobbled
up quick so waiting on this thing Diane is not going to help you I believe me I don't want to wait on anything well yeah then that's exactly what you know um what I think is in your best
interest why don't and get going on this thing I say something of course you can yeah yeah first of all we have to determine whether we're a funding eligible Community that's number one
period we have to determine that if we're funding eligible we don't have to do anything bill that's not our that's not our no no but the point is Dick we're we're telling Diane she may
be eligible for funding and I really question whether or not there's monies available for this in grvy I think I think right the only thing we know we know there is money is the money that that Chris has available to him
okay I think the data shared was that alen's brother may have mentioned something if I got if I got the the data straight alen's brother shared something with Al who may have shared that with
Diane I may be I may misquote some of the time frame but I think that's what took place I I don't know if I'm right he did he did share uh something like that with
me okay so so it sounds like we all agree that you ought to get back to us in a couple weeks at our next meeting and say this is this is what my next step is going to be this is what I've
decided to do and and share that with us regardless of what because even if you get back and say the board may not accept it as being okay if you say you know I've just decided I'm not going to do anything but at least you have gotten
back to us and then the board can do something about it uh I agree with Lee that the the logical thing is to get it to the point that you've got a design that you can get a price on so then then
we you have something that you can try to manage and if if money becomes available or you want to go after after the the money that that because we're going to have a new Town Administrator or we do have a temporary money
but but there was I know there there is money in that fund but but uh but the first step is that you have to have the design and to have a price
and am am I right in thinking that there's a couple different sources of funding or are they one and the same not one and the same they are there and that's what bill was just talking about that that the the money the block grant
money is different than the money that that Chris Martin has in the bank but the money that Chris Martin has in the bank absolutely has to be repaid okay either way they're both going to be
a good deal one way or the other either a zero or 1% interest or whatever heck it is yeah is still going to be way way way better than than a bank note or something else of that
nature uh as far as I I did not hear what you said did you say the the money from the town has to be repaid is that was that the word you said I did say that yes in fact what what Chris I just
didn't hear that yeah what Chris would do and and again we're getting a new Town Administrator so you don't know what happened but what Chris would end up doing is he actually would put a lean on the
house so the money would come there'd be a agreement he would work out an agreement on on what would be the appropriate interest rate and he told me that it typically was 1% and he said that that the people that
were involved would say okay I can pay this thing back in 10 years or five years or whatever it they would come up with a a little contract and at the same time Chris would put a lean on the house so that if
it wasn't paid the town did get get their money but that's that plan what Bill's talking about and T's talking about is a different plan but the one in a town plan is money
that the state gave the town money to to get some septic systems fix when Title 5 first came in and and it was a revolving account that the state the town was supposed to pay back to the state and
the state and it was like $100,000 and the state when it was all done said you know what this thing has worked out so well we're going to let the towns keep that money and keep this little revolving account going to be
that be managed by the town so that that money does exist and in and in fact a little of that money was used to put in that pipe that you're dumping your water
in oh okay well so that's where we are okay all right that's that's a a a lot to take in I think I've made a lot of notes but like the last time if if I could
have something just notes from the meeting or something that would be great just to make sure I think I understood everything that was being said and I'll the other thing you can do Diane so
you hear us directly is is that have by tomorrow morning I'll I'll send the the link to the so our TV stations oh okay yeah that'll our whole meeting will be on
that okay I can definitely do that thank you okay all right sounds good thank you for thank you glad we could help you thank you bye now all right take care now good good
night okay now let's see if we can already I thought this was going to be fast tonight so we've already approved the the minute I've got telling time sheet for the period ending February
22nd 2025 at 70 hours the normal 70 hours are we okay with that yep that's good yes I am to fing that's approved okay the next one I have is
the payables to the treasurer from the board totaling $470 this period 460 of it is board of health permits $10 is Board of Health licenses and that's it for the 470 are
we okay with that y good yes yep okay I am too colen so that's approve the next one is schedule of Department bills payable and it is
for only one item perly Publications it's per test ad for $58.50 are we okay with that yes good I am to calling so that's approv okay the next one is purchasing
requests and this is we're totaling $360 44 and it is two the first group the last one is uh postal service but this first group is
Parton of copy paper for $54.99 brother fax cartridge $25.99 storage Bo sixpack for 2319 one inch three ring binder $989
Cent and two 3in three ring binders for1 1898 and then four boxes that's will then to four boxes of 50 stamp envelope to the US Postal Service for $227.46
44 are we okay with that yes I am too calling so that's fine okay the next one is temporary food license this is the certified at Amy Roman
residing at 141 Federal Street beler town uh with a place of business of 250 State Street for a one- day temporary food license now this one colen is for
the Grandy preservation Society Mother's Day craft fair and this is the one that that we talked about as a special license when you called me yes and we we talked this one
is let's see what she's got this one would be kind of the same as a a b sale kind of thing this is just a this is for cupcakes minic cakes and cookies so they're they're not things
that need to be inspected what colen and I talked about is is that probably according to the state law this probably doesn't even need a permit but what colen and I again talking about it that
I said we need to do it at a meeting because it's just Ken and I talking and I said Gee for a thing like this that probably that doesn't need a license it doesn't need an inspection but we probably ought to
know about it in the event that that someone puts in something that can make people sick so if we if if we know about it and give a permit for it we at least get a handle on what what's going on so our
conclusions alen and I not the Board of Health just alen and I said what makes sense to us is to have on these items that actually give a on Day free permit that doesn't require an
inspection it's just the just so we know what's going going on now Bill and Lee what are your thoughts there may not be a $100 to be made in this whole yeah so they're just serving what the cook cookies and
cupcakes cookies cupcake and mini mini cakes and I told Colleen where you have to watch out is by knowing this is going on if someone's say saying oh yeah but they're actually cust thir something else and then you say whoa we just
crossed over the line and that way instead of just telling people oh state code said you don't need a permit for this anyways go ahead then has got a record saying This Is The Stuff they're serving and we do know it's nonhazardous items that that
are Su sugary non-hazardous items that need need not be refrigerated right that's fine I mean that makes perfect sense sure okay so colen what we had for an idea is the way we'll do it then
okay so they need a they need a permit they need exactly what they're what they did for you but we're just not having Fe for and and Lynn doesn't have to inspect no inspection y okay oh so are we granting this one oh
yes please okay I have two okay great so that is oh the the tayor street bag okay here's the deal dick I I talked to Ryan vland
today okay we're having a meeting Friday it's going to be Ryan myself and his composting person okay realizes there's a problem with the with the uh Pros okay so we're going to do a site
visit with everybody Friday I'll report back to the board and we'll come up with a solution that sounds great to me okay but he realizes there's a problem with the crows so he he's very cognizant of
that fact okay very good bill okay guys very good how are you feeling Bill my right eye is pretty good one once in a while I take eye drops and
they burn like most of the time they don't burn but sometimes they burn w Is it supposed to do that or I don't know Le Lee that that um the Brahman they gave me a free sample of
bramac Lee and that's a once a day and sometime this morning it burned like heck I thought my eye was going to fall out my eye was tearing like crazy for about 25
minutes must I'm guessing the uh it's the there's a big change in PH but well here's the question Bill uh after the burning does your ey get really really red Andor itchy um no I just I just tough it out I
I don't even look at it I I can see out of it fine I let it burn and burn and burn and then everything's good afterwards but my prazone drop and the antibiotic causes no problems the one that will burn from time to time is that
bromac how the doctor well I'm seeing him tomorrow I got I got a visit tomorrow anyway that's perfect timing yeah and they should know that uh going into the meeting uh that
it's it you could be allergic to it of course well yeah well you g you gave me that 4 day you you gave me the 4 day um substitute the four time a day substitute I think that's a little gentler so I'll have a little discussion with them about that
tomorrow yeah might be a a pH maybe way off on that yeah anyway but but to answer your question dick I'm I'm uh I'm cautiously optimistic going forward here that's great that's great and I'm the miracle child on my knee I know you are
I know you are well how many degrees are you you were moving your leg now Monday so so yesterday it was 138 degrees wow and there they would have been happy they they told me on Monday I said do
you have Milestones that you're going you're shooting for and they said yes they said you've passed them all our normal uh regime is six weeks they said you've been here two weeks and what we would be looking for is the ability for
you to walk without assistance which you obviously do your bending would be 120 degrees which are 138 and one of the exercise to be able
to keep your legs straight and I forget what else but they said you are Way Way Beyond now they don't have you doing sit-ups or anything like that or or deep knee bed not but they are they started me on
squats oh the not a full squat but a gentle Squat and and I've been at as of last Friday I'm back on the exercise flight so I'm I'm H able to bend the
knee enough to be able to do that with comfort so amazing so that's that's exactly what they said they said we we just can't believe I've still got uh SP strips on my on my
knee yeah and when I went into the the doctor last Thursday they said oh my God we can't believe that you're doing this they said you're so when they took the bandage they off they said even your even your wound is healed
unbelievably they said it's just absolutely great in fact the woman told me the nurse practitioner says you know you have to you still have to come back here in a month I said I know I'll be
back but but uh so I'm I'm really really happy excellent hey hey just did an incidental comment I love your your fireplace behind you by your by the way your chimney is beautiful oh hey and
also do you use that wood stove or you don't use it anymore we have not been using it for that I bet the better part of 10 years I think the last time we did it is when we had the the power outage on on that Halloween oh but it was just
the H it's it's set up the house is all set up it's open so that and I've even got the a cold air return for the furnace up high over the soap yeah so that that the furnace takes that in it Heats it but it does it does so much
work to to deal with the wood oh I know I I still use my Woods actually tonight I'm not using it but probably 99% of the time since uh the 1 of November I've burned the wood stove yeah beautiful
wood I see the beautiful wood that you have what that when they dump it off it looks like it's all red oak oh yeah that's from that's from Wagner up in amorist really it's beautiful beautiful wood oh it really is it look it looked
beautiful and this year was it was really well seasoned this year normally I get it it's it's green that's why I usually get it in in July but it came in about I would say it was 50% season so by the time I started burning it was
fabulous wow and what do they charged at a CT 225 okay which isn't bad ter no no so anyway that's what we so that's what yeah the house is built around that though on the on the kitchen side
there's the wood burning stove and then towards the back of the house yeah well it's wonderful to have a center a center chimney is the best the best setup you can have yeah so okay everybody then have okay guys have a night have a good
night have a good evening okay night folks bye everyone thanks Le thanks