[Music] the cloud. >> Okay, >> Lee. Hi, Lee. >> Hello, folks. How's everybody?
>> Very good. Thank you. >> Good. Good. Lee, how are you doing? pretty good. >> Okay, but we'll get through it. >> Okay, I if we go we can go quick before
Allan gets here and then get into our our well, you know, before we do anything so I don't forget for our minutes from from the last meeting. I did have a couple corrections, but only only a couple. What What else do we do
we have? Right. >> St. >> Nothing on my side. >> 13th. >> Okay. >> Well, how are you with them? >> Yeah. Nothing stood out, Dick. It's fine. >> Okay, Colleen. So, we we accepted those.
>> Okay. >> They I only have Neil withdrew his his design. Uh, it turned out at the last minute I realized that on the the north
side on Cold Hill on the the one up at the top on the hill that's closest to High Street, the ho the lot that's right next to the the house, the new house that's built there, he had a design and on the north side of the design as I was
going through checking the water table and under the tank, I said at the very end of I said, "Gee, because because I was going to see if it needed flotation calculations and I looked and I said, you know, the invert of this tank is like 10 feet above the ground that's
there." And then I realized that on the side of it, on the north side of it, he's got a wall that's eight feet high that 15 feet from the lot line. And I said, "You know, Neil, and it's just going to some rock."
And I said, "You can't." said you two things an 8 foot high wall with earth behind it needs to be designed and on top of that I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of zoning regulations that say you can't have a 10-ft wall
next to your property line so so he went through he says I'm gonna I'm gonna go and figure out what he has to do to fix it apparently they own the the lot next to it also and they're going to use the the fill to to go along
that that wall and that line or or >> That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the I remember they did buy the adjacent lot. Yeah, I remember that. Yes. >> So So anyways, what we've got is this one system. It's a repair.
It's on 202 West Street. It's up almost as far as as Bittersweet Lane. a couple houses to the to the east of that. It's the old It's a white col very old
colonial for some reason. I think it was called the Monu, but I'm not sure. >> I think you're right, Dick. >> But I think I I know that Doc Seagelman, was it Seagleman? Seagleman. Yeah, the >> It was It was Seig. >> You're right.
>> Yeah. So they That's the system. And it's there. In fact, Lee, you perked it. It's a repair, a complete system, four bedroomedroom house. The fee is paid. The review is complete. It's mostly
wooded and some grass and some actually some garden. It's gently sloping sanding from the road down to the right. Sloping low kind of a slow slope towards the wetlands. four and a half or a
little over a 4 acre lot. It's a h sand till with 60inch water table. Wetlands are to the east and also they're curled around to in the back to the north. And there are some there are some large
trees in that area. They're they're mostly they're sugar maples, but they're not they're not really in great shape. The issues are the water table, the wetlands, the the trees, and they're
actually two building sewers that that come up two outlets from the house. Uh the design is for a a new 1500galon two compartment tank with outlet filters. They're three 3 foot by 55 foot by 9 in
effective depth trenches. Terrace, they're slightly terrace and vented. There 550 gallons a day is provided versus 550 is required. Fill is required. There's no reserve area
provided. 4 foot water table separation is he made ballast is not required. The existing tank is going to be pump crushed and removed and compacted. Cleanouts are specified at the turn. I
thought the lines come out of the house and the main one comes out and makes about a 45 degree turn. So, he's got called a sweep and a clean out there. The second line comes out and it's going to join the first the solids carrying
line with a a sweeping uh Y with a cleanup at it. He looked at at trying to to get it as a second penetration into the tank, but he was going to end up with with terms and so
it it looked like this was the safest way to do it. Um filtration control is is not specified on this. The septic tank and the SAS separations of the wetlands and wells are more than 100 ft. Had to discuss the trench permit.
They're still uh I had that ties are needed to the septic tank and SDS, but Allen's already added them. U there were I wanted them to put some additional details. It wasn't clear on how we was going to make the turns in the solid
line and the connection. So we that's already been added and that's that's all I had on it. Lee and and Bill Lee, what is your thought in there? There are trees that have to be taken down.
>> Okay, that was my only my only concern um was the removal of some of the existing uh trees, the canopy and the root structure be right through uh the tank and the new system as long
as it's finished at rest. >> Yep, he's got that that done. And it looked like the the owner was was there and we I was concerned because these are really they're nice nice sugar maples, but when you look at
them, their crotches are already rotted through. And as the the owner says, you know, unfortunately, these guys don't live forever. And and these trees are on on the end of their life. Some of them already a couple of them on the lot are
already dead. and and the branches are falling off. So, she said, "You know, as much as I hate to take the trees, he said they they need to come." >> Yep. Yep. >> Did Didn't Allan submit a preliminary design last time using a bed or
something? >> He did. And I talked to him about it and I said, in fact, we went out there yesterday and I went out and looked at it and said, you know, this is the bed is small. The the soil is not great
soil. It's it's it was six or eight minutes soil, but I said, you know, you really should do trenches. It does fit. And if you're going to have to cut trees, instead of squeezing this down, why don't you put it a system that's that's going to last longer? And and
then he he went back actually when we went on the site yesterday, he had already switched it over to trenches and it's a so it's a much it's got a much different footprint. >> Okay. So it's a gravity system.
>> It's a gravity system. >> Okay. >> It's fine. >> Okay, Colleen. Then then we'll we'll approve it subject to the trench permit and the fill. Okay. >> Okay.
>> Okay. If we if we go and and uh let me get back to our and Neil will not be here. I'm sure Allen's gonna going to be around in in a bit, but >> Okay. >> So, Lynn Lynn is not going to be here
tonight. Uh so, we've done the the meeting minutes. The Colleen's time sheet is a a normal 70 hour for the two weeks. Are
are we okay with that? >> Yeah, I'm good with it. >> And I Colleen, I am too. So, all three of us have approved that. >> Okay. >> The next is the accounts payable to the treasurer.
this twoe period we've got $550 of that 300 is from board of health permits 250 are for board of health fees and that's it totaling the 550 are we okay with that >> y
>> and I am too okay where that's approved >> the next one is a disposal works installers permit renewal It's for Skinner Excavating out of Hampton. Lee, is is there a reason that we
shouldn't just renew this? Are we okay with this one? >> Yes. I I can't I can't remember working with these guys. Um not that that's a bad thing or a good thing, but um I don't have any >> uh
>> nothing negative. >> Okay. So, since we've already gone through the the review process, then then we should be okay. >> He's been around for 40 years, Dick. He's been around a long time. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, we're all set with this then, huh? >> Okay.
>> Sure. Okay. >> Okay. Okay, Colleen. So, we've approved that. >> Okay. The next one is a certificate of compliance and this one is for Paraveu at 181 East Street. So that's
right at the bottom of the This is a pared installed and uh John Capinsky supplied the asbuilt. It's got dimensions and elevations. And Lee, that
that's in Sand. That's to the north side of East Street just before the that last hill going into Lello. Are we all set with that one? >> Yeah. Everything was put in according to print um with the stone underneath the
tank at the box. Um, >> yeah, no worries on that one. Should be should be fine. >> I'm okay with that. How about you, Bill? >> Yeah, you know, Caribou, I guess he passed away last year. He used to have the little stand across the street with
a pumpkin patch. >> Every year he did pumpkin patch out back there. >> Really? Because this one is this is further along. This one, if you're going towards the east still from that pumpkin patch, you go down a little bit, then
there's that little stream that goes across. Then you start up slowly. And this is just before, in fact, there's a stone wall, the fake stone wall that goes into the left at the bottom. That's right. Before that, that's right.
>> So, he must he must have owned that that >> Oh, yeah. He own Yeah, he owned the land across the street. He lived on the south side of the street. His pumpkin patch was on the north side of the street. Yes. >> Well Well, this one this one is on the north side of the street. >> Oh.
>> And it's I wonder if it's a different caravo. >> Well, there's two caravos. There's one There's one that uh is was in is down near Barish there. Bar across the street from Barish. >> Yeah. And then there's the other one
down near uh Acrebrook Drive and the guy with a pumpkin patch lives near Acrebrook Brook Drive. >> Okay. So maybe these were brothers or something or who knows but >> but anyways it's done and we're okay with it. So
the next one is also a certificate of compliance. Uh oh, I must I made two copies of the same thing. Let's make sure I didn't not make a copy of the one that's important. Uh, let me make sure it is a certificate of
compliance, but this one is uh Wanda Blair at 85 South Street. Oh, this I think this one must be the This is the big one
that I investigated. That's a That one is across from the forplex almost to East Street and that's the system Bill you were talking about filling up the backyard with >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went in there
with Lori Mcool early on a day Lee wasn't available. Yes. Yes. Small backyard. Real tiny backyard >> with a giant system in it. With a It's a giant system.
Is it in the ground now? >> It is in the ground. >> Wow. >> Lee, did you inspect this one? >> Yeah, that was uh Sonamo out of Westfield. >> Oh, yeah. I saw Yeah, I saw I saw Bob Sonamo's trucks there. Yes,
>> I saw his trucks and So, did the people they have any landscaping left in the back or is it long gone? Uh they they they saved the retaining wall uh because they put in a barrier
uh adjacent to the uh garden shed. >> Wow. >> But unfortunately it's about six or seven feet above that wall to the slope. But there was no choice. That was >> So how high is the fill mound out back?
A couple of feet above grade. Oh, maybe six. >> It's way up there. >> If you're going by it, Bill. >> Yeah, I'll stop by there just for fun, just to look at it. >> On your side, you can look to the left
of the house. And it looks like from the road that you could probably walk up onto it, but if you look on the east street side of it, it's like Lee's talking about it. It looks like a, you know, a five or six foot steep bank.
>> Wow. >> And but they left it. At least from the street, it really looked like it was finished really beautifully. >> So, are we okay with this one then? >> Yes. >> Okay. Are you okay with that, Bill? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Me, too, Colleen. >> Okay. The next one is another, let me see what I have here. I'm trying to read it. This one is is another certificate of compliance
and it is Oh, this one is 74 Aldridge Street and it's this one is Neil Jackson. Bill, this is the one we went to to see. >> Yes. on the on the depot and the
we've the deed restriction is also filed with us. So this one is not only is an asbuilt given to us, we also have a copy of the deed restriction. >> How Lee, how did that turn out? Does it
look okay? Well, according to the people who live there, they're not thrilled with it. Um, but Greg did the best he could do, uh, given the
print he got from Neil. Um, it came out good. Pump system, everything's in place, everything works, everything's good. uh they were trying to preserve a lot of the old landscaping which wasn't possible given the parameters of the
job. >> Um but you know they got new orders coming in they're moving on so it it looks good. Um there's a change you know. >> Yeah. the new people will probably just
accept it there. Compared on that one, what Neil was able to do by changing around is get rid of a big wall that he was going to put in there, a concrete wall. >> So you >> that that's a concern I have on these
property transfers because people agree and they and they agree to buy a property and they envision what the landscaping is. Then by the time they close on the property and take occupancy, it looks totally different.
>> I know. I know. That one on South Street by, you know, not far from you. Think about that. If you if you were buying that and you looked at this nice little private backyard that you had with that had some nice vegetation and all of a sudden you've
got the mound that Lee just described. It's quite a different thing back there. >> Well, well, that's why I'm thinking maybe down the line. Um I I think the Elgen allows you to go to two feet on a repair, don't they, Dick?
>> They do allow you to to do that, but so maybe we really have to start looking at that stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's really two and a half because they put that sand under the system, so it's effectively 2 and 1/2 ft. But again, if it's going to make the landscaping more palatable, maybe we
ought to start thinking about that seriously on certain projects. >> Although I think we in general have been Although I don't think Neil asked on that one. I don't think he asked that. And he likes to use Elgens and >> I know >> and it gets a smaller foot. Yeah, he
used foroot separation. So he could have done a an Elgen with we get routinely have been giving three feet. >> So So anyway, so are we we're okay with that one? We said we were good with that. Yeah.
>> The next one is another certificate of compliance and it is Lynn Parent at 113 Bachelor Street. This is
>> just a thousand gallon a 1500gallon two compartment tank with a filter and a debox. So that one and they gave us a layout, but it's just one tank replacing the other. Are we all set with that, Lee?
Yeah. Uh Teddy uh did the tank and the debox. Um came out good. Um yeah, should be no issue there whatsoever. Okay. So, we are now at 7:21
and Allan should have been here. >> I guess it really doesn't matter. We >> We We have Redf Fire Farm here, Dick, and we have uh Chateau Harmony here. >> So, we should
It looks like uh Redfire is first. Uh, I'm I'm wondering what I've got a a list. I don't know. It's probably not a good time to be
going through it, but I got eight things that maybe we couldn't be really discussing here. Uh but the issue that I've got at designing for the I didn't see special
uh piping design specification for going under the parking lot. Maybe there is maybe it's all set. Uh inspection intervals uh we I didn't see any of pre-starting meeting requirement and the inspection
intervals that are listed are only two. One is the strip and one is the final. So the engineers aren't going to look at anything on this system until it's it's all done and buried. The the next one is that the ons are
non-specific. They're they said they ought to be done at what the manufacturers say and they're once a year and they have to be filed. So it doesn't really talk about what they what they're doing. The generator that they're calling out is just a portable
roll in generator that runs on gasoline. And that's that's really I would be saying it ought to be a fixed generator that needs to be an LPG. This is storing
gasoline and not saying how long you know you're going to keep it. It was it's just not a portable generator isn't the way to run a business. The other question I had and it's not part of the septic system. But if I had freezers and
food thing, if you look at all the grocery stores, they don't let their food all go bad. And if these guys are going to be in the food business, I just wonder from a business standpoint why they're not protecting it with their own generators. But but that's not the
septic system part, but it's certainly going to be the board of health part when they lose power and we make them throw everything away. So the the next one I had is at least on one of the drawings it shows that on the
two compartment tank uh going in between the compartments there is a gas baffle on the inlet side. So the inlet of of of or the outlet of
of section A going into section B, but it also shows a gas baffle on the inlet side of section B. So the the the U that goes from one side to the other's got gas baffles on both sides. I guess it
doesn't hurt to have the second one, but it's not necessary. The next one that I have is that the on drawing LC 153. There's a note that I didn't understand
on the 3,000galon tank, two compartment tank. There's a note that says you need 4,000galon storage. And I I'm guessing it's a typo, but I but I didn't take enough time. It's it's really hard for me to look at.
These are big drawings and when I blow them up, I can only see little tiny bits at a time. But so maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it does say 4,000 gallons. And I don't see a design. They call for
for the miscellaneous liquids, the non sewage kind of liquids that and nonprocessed kind of liquid stuff is like air conditioning and freezer condensate to go to a dry well. And I
can't see the design of the drywall. And one the next one that that we need to be talking about we as a board is this is a a not it's a nitrogen
sensitive area. So that the their their statements are that they're well with below the the loading
that that we that's called out. However, the you know the whatever equivalent of a 110 gallons per 10,000 square feet or whatever that the state says. However, the the code says that the loading the
area requirement that they look at can look at cannot be an agricultural area that has fertilizer going on it. >> That's right. And so, but the but the question that I have on this one
is that if you look at the actual loading that that they're going to be given compared with the fertilizer given, they're they are inconsequential.
this system is is is minuscule compared to that. And if you also look at at the reason for this, it really is to stop the nitrogen
contamination of the of the drinking water. And their well in this case is a we went over what what they do to make sure that the the shallow water doesn't mix with the the deep water supplies and
they've got it well separated and if you look at the direction of the water flow the water table gradient is going if you stood on Carver Street and looked straight in at the building at
the new building. The water table gradient is running >> away from you and it's headed toward the the the wetland and swamp that's basically right to your south right as you're looking
at. So it's headed in that direction ultimately headed to the the headarters of Stonley Brook. So this water is running to the south. So it's not really going after and this is a deep well not
at the well and it's not going after anywhere towards what would be considered the town potential water shed that's that's to the north. And and it it just seems to me that that we
ought to be as a board, we ought to be talking about whether we're just going to say this doesn't apply. The nitrogen reduction requirements just doesn't >> Yeah. >> isn't justified at all here.
>> Dick, I think if you read the if you read the state guidance on nitrogen loading, it's kind of geared toward large subdivisions. where you've got a bunch of houses and you've got wells with the zone twos and
zone ones in the vicinity. Like you say, this is a discrete situation where you have one generator, namely the the market, but you also have all these agricultural fields. So clearly, if there's going to
be nitrogen contamination in this well, guess what? It's going to be from the organic nitrogen in the fields. >> That's the business that Vland's in. That's his business is nitro is organic farming.
The other thing that I'm not sure of is if you look at the the seasonal type operation of this this building. I'm not sure it's a really smart thing
to be putting a system that that a system that probably wants to have nutrients coming towards it. >> Well, I think the I think the little restaurant's going to be open all year round. That's my understanding. Yeah,
but my guess is going to be that it's it's not going to be cranking out tons and tons of of liquid compared to the growing season. >> Yeah, you're right. >> So, my my feeling is that as a board we
ought to be saying we're going to either maybe we just say we're giving a variance whatever the mechanism that we have. >> The aggravation having them put another box in. you'd have to put a uh some sort of aation tank with a bioclear or a jet
bed or something like that and I don't think it's worth the aggravation and maintenance. >> Yeah, that's the other thing is you're you're talking about having to maintain it and and whether you can keep it running. So, so, so those are my
my issues, but of the of the the the two things that that are probably board related is one is is the generator because the discussion we're going to someone's going to have with me, I know,
is to say, "Hey, you guys wanted a generator. We're giving you a generator." And I'm saying, "Wait a second. And I've got one of those in my garage and it's not it's not made to be really a standby generator. >> Now Dick, here's the thing. I I
understand they're putting solar panels on the roof of this building. This is beyond our scope, but I'm guessing if they're putting solar panels on the building, it's easy enough for Ryan to put one of the Tesla or Nphase battery packs in conjunction with the panels and
he'll have power during a power outage. But again, that's beyond the scope of our our our submitt package at this point. But that's one way he can handle the generator problem real easy. >> Yeah, if if he was doing that. In fact,
maybe that's how he's handling >> the backup for his his freezer. So, so maybe that's what what the the engineering folks should be be looking at >> because then if if you start, you know,
storing gasoline, there's a whole bunch of stuff associated with, in fact, it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me that that if you if you were storing, you know, 50 gallons of gasoline in that area that it it's probably a
code violation. Oh, that's that's another problem. Of course, Chris, is your firm involved with the solar panel design or not? >> We are not. Um, so on the generator, you know, we had a discussion with the Voilins. I think they
because of the sort of backwards way this whole project is coming together. I think they're not settled on their permanent backup power yet, which is one of the challenges we're fighting here. Um, so, so that's why we went with documenting that they'd have a portable
generator. I mean, if the if the concern is gasoline, we can certainly spec that as propane with a supply of propane being stored on there. If the board, you know, if if the board's interpretation of the backup power requirement is that it be a permanent generator, then then
I'd need to hear that guidance directly so that I can go back and and deal with that. Um I would point out um you know to the extent that it mitigates the question um that we do have 24 hours of
freeboard um in the pump station uh which title 5 allows for either backup power or 24 hours of storage. Um so if that's satisfactory the board we can lean on that. Um, but again, as far as I'm concerned, we we wanna we want to do
what's necessary, but I I may need just some some direct um direction on that. >> Dick, is he providing dual pumps or single pump? >> Dual pump. >> Dual pumps. >> Well, remember, we've got a It isn't just for this building.
He's got tenants here, too. So, >> that's right. That's right. So, he's going to be he's going to be having tenants that are that have water and sewage and and uh >> and I would just say that that our water
is also dependent on the power. >> Yeah. You you know, >> we're making you if you look at it the it has to have power for the water as well for the we're doing that with all of our rental properties now are going to have to have water supplies. You you
know one thing you could do is you could say uh portable generator and or solar battery equivalent. So that would give Ryan the option of putting the solar panels up with the battery with the big battery system.
>> Yeah. I mean I certainly is you say say permanent generator that you know this doesn't fit by as standby these these guys if you go in the back the generator world the portable generators don't fit under the
standby generator regul uh definitions. So, you know, they could you just wheel them away and you you've got a it's they're not the they're not the same critters. >> Well, actually the the solar battery combo is fabulous because it is
>> you don't you don't have to re you don't have to have fuel on site and it'll run forever. Exactly. >> I agree. I I think that that that fitting instead of calling it generator, we'll say it's we're going to require a
fixed standby and then maybe that'll move him to making up his mind on what he's going to do with the with the solar because it is it's a waste of money if he's if he's got solar and I have to believe he's
trying to protect his food that if he's going to be doing that this is an absolute waste of money if he's going to do that. >> Um yeah, I I can't again I can't comment on that um because I'm not involved on that side of things. I would definitely
um I would hesitate to commit specifically to a battery system because those are very expensive. So I don't know if that's going to be feasible even though it is ideal but >> let him let him to commit to it and for
this you know for this size system I happen to know I've played around with this so this is a a fixed 20 kilowatt system that is is in the $20,000
range to to put it and plus the whatever the deal is with the fuel tank that that goes with it. So >> So maybe he can look when he says, "Gee, with that kind of money, I can put that into
I can buy a a battery much cheaper than that." But I'm I'm guessing I'm guessing since he's got solar on the other on the other site, he's got some pretty goodized panels on the other side. I think Ryan, I
believe I heard some discussion that Ryan will be putting solar on the roof of this building. >> Yeah, I think that's right. Again, I think it's the the amount of power that you can store in the battery for the cost >> doesn't always work out compared to a generator versus the power you get out
of the fuel storage. >> Yeah, a 10 kilowatt hour system is kind of standard. And again, 10 kilowatt hours, you you can do the math as to how long it'll keep the freezers going and stuff like that, of course. So anyways, those are my thing. Let's not go too long. We're not supposed to
do the design review like we're doing it right now. We end up spending two hours on a design review. So I I did go through all your stuff, Chris, >> and those were my comments. >> Great. Yeah. So I I certainly cannot go point by point on those first things. I
haven't seen them. I'm just based on you reading them just now. Um uh so the the direction on the generator is important. What I'm hearing is that um that because of the residence specifically that a
permanent standby power is going to be necessary. Um that that overrides the title five requirement that says standby power or 24 hours of storage. Is that what I'm hearing from you? >> That's correct.
>> Okay. Um and then yeah, I mean, however you want to handle the nitrogen. I just did a quick calculation. If we accounted for all of the non-aggricultural land on this property, which includes a bunch of wetlands and woods and everything else, we could meet the nitrogen loading um
calculation, which was probably cleaner because then you don't have to issue a variance. We can just demonstrate that um differently and include a different graphic that that shows that. But he's got he's got like 10 acres that are not agricultural production. >> Well, why don't you do that then? Then
we don't have to worry about variances. That's probably easier for everybody. >> That's good. Very good. >> Okay. So, that's it for you tonight, Chris. >> Okay. Um, and can I get those those comments uh written? >> You can we'll have Colleen do I'll I'll
get them anyways, but Colleen can look at them when she looks at our the recording of the of this thing, which will be available tomorrow. So, but I'll write something down here. >> Okay. that would be very helpful. >> Okay. Have a good night.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, our next our next one is and we're close. We're we're back on time is at 185 West State
Street and it's for the outdoor cafe. And I look, we have people that we can see. It's wonderful. And instead of talking just on the phone, we've got some video. And unfortunately, it's only
Colleen and and I that can see you. So, >> how are you people? >> Nice to meet you. Thank you. >> Hi, Mr. Bombardier. How are you? >> Good. So the reason we asked you to be here is we the board as far as I know
hasn't had much interaction with your project with you and your project and we just wanted to make sure that everybody was on the the same foot that for a new
uh eating establishment. What did the state codes require that you have you submit plans that that have the layout and have the materials of construction and and what you're going to have in there and and be telling us what you're
doing with your sewage and and uh before you get started and you you also after we get through that then they unfortunately Lynn Bes who is our our inspector
isn't here tonight, but but she would go through and make sure after first would be to agree that's the way we're going to do and it's acceptable. And she typically would do a lot of that reviewing and then once we agree it that
it's done, then you would do the work and get ready for it and she would inspect it to make sure it's what it's supposed to be and then you get up and flying. >> Sounds great. Perfect. So now Bill had Bill's got another hat
that he wears and and we've got a that hat is the conservation hat, but it doesn't it doesn't his side of it doesn't get discussed here other than he often times pipes in and says, "Hey, by
the way, you have to come to my other board and and do this and then we shut them up. Marilyn and Jamie have already come to conservation and we did a site visit about two months ago. So, they're actually clean on on that end. Uh, did
you guys file for an RDA? Did we ask you file to file for an RDA, Jamie? >> No, you did not. >> Okay. I'll have to check with my agent, Dave Desilelet, but uh, we'll review what we need to do, but as far as we're concerned at this point, you're you're well on your way. Okay.
>> Thank you kindly. >> Thank you. So that that what you need to be for to do for us is to to look you can look at the the code the state code has it all written down what you have to do that
that I guess we're probably it's one of the few things so that that we don't have any special rules from the Graanby board of health. We we follow what the state does that >> septic tank rules we have we have our own that are specific to the needs of
the the community but for the restaurants. No, we don't we don't have that. >> So you can you can be pretty well straightforward. Look at what the code says you're supposed to do. Get it done. So you get the the plans. Then we uh go
over the plans and improve the plans so you don't start I know you've done some work down there. Let's hope that all of the work that you've done is good work and doesn't have to be redone. But the the key right now is to make it so you don't spend extra money and and do stuff twice.
>> So that would be great. >> So we make sure it's it's right to start on the design. Then you do it the right way and then you're off to the races. >> Sure. Do you have any questions for us up front? Do you want them to have a professional do the plan or do you want
them to do it on engineering paper or handdrawn sketch? How do you want this done? >> Well, I I think you typically typically certainly a a bigger business would have
professionals do it a little if you look at at something special for instance, I don't think they had professionals. I think they may have have done it themselves, but they have to be they have to be scaled some kind of scaled
drawings. >> Scaled drawings >> and it has to give what you're using the the models and the but just making little squares and putting them in there doesn't work because if they're not scaled, you don't know what it's going
to fit or not. And uh and then someone that it may be to make it easier for everybody is is somebody that that if you're buying things for someone, maybe you can actually get the design work free and they can do stuff. But but
somehow or other it'll end up needing to meet the code and being the materials of construction be measurable and and so we know what it is. >> Sure. Uh when you say the design work, what what specifically are you referring to? You're talking about the equipment
that we would be cooking on. >> Sure. That that that stuff that the where you're putting floor where you're putting >> fans, where you're putting the materials that the floors are made of, the ceilings are made, the walls are made of. that you know where your the outlets
are the basically the things that that if you were constructing something someone would be able to do it. >> Yeah. The dimensions of the kitchen the dimensions of your kitchen room your portable kitchen. >> Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Where the where
the things would be the the kind of the making sure you've got the right numbers of sinks. Making sure you've got the the I don't know whether you're having toilets or anything. I I don't know what what those arrange but but the whole thing of saying hey we've got this
little >> food operation >> and and we have to know what it's what it's like so everybody knows that that we don't go and say gee we did an inspection and say this shouldn't be this way or that shouldn't be. You do
that up all up front. Then you find out, gee, those wall board walls that are are not cleanable don't don't make it. Or you say, you know, I was putting I was putting some noise uh containing ceiling tiles that are all
filled with little holes that they, you know, those things don't make it. They they're not cleanable. Or I've got fluorescent lights in there, which no one uses anymore. But >> Dick, should this should this facility be be considered a food truck or not a
food truck? >> I don't think it it I think if you go in, you'll find out that it it doesn't fit the definition of a food truck. >> Okay, Jamie, what's the rough dimensions of that that unit? It's about 10 feet by
10 feet. Is that right? >> No, it's uh the inside space is actually 10 feet by 16 feet. 10 by 16. Okay. >> Yes. >> Well, we're gonna have to look at some that it's something. It's kind of
special. It's not like It's not like a big commercial kitchen. >> I'm glad you said kind of special and not something special. >> Yeah, I do that. But it it uh
we're for sure someone's going to have to be before we're done this there's going to be some some I know there's going to be some discussion about saying hey this let's look at what this really is. This is not it
it's not a hook. >> So it's 16 feet by 10. I didn't realize it was that large. >> Yes. Yeah. But when you go in there and you put some stoves and sinks and stuff, Bill, you're going to find out that it's not very large.
>> Well, I don't know uh how much you know about it, but we we actually purchased it um from uh a lady out in uh >> West Brook West Brookfield and it was a longterm established food business out
there. So, it was already set up and operational. So, we bought it as is with all of the equipment and the layout. It was all already constructed and ready to go. So, but we'll we'll do that drawing for you and get all the equipment list and lay it all out for you. Sure.
>> You know, it may be that it it needs different ventilation. Who knows what you what you have and I have no idea what you know what our fire marshall is going to say about it. Proper fire suppression system. Whatever Whatever it is, we're going to have to
look and and make sure we want to make sure it's safe and you don't makes s people sick. Those are the >> Exactly. >> Those are the probably the same thing you want. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> And and we we certainly
at least I certainly I think all the the three of us on the board and Colleen want to see you make a a go of a business and you want to have people enjoy being there. No, that's wonderful. Thank you. >> Thank you. That feels really nice to hear. >> Yeah, that why, you know, we we all have
to make a living or try to make a living and and it's having having a a nice it's kind of a nice place down there anyways. It's away from the hustle and bustle and when you're there sometimes you got Christmas trees outside and you've got
you got different things going on and it it kind of a it's just a neat kind of thing. >> Thank you. We're trying very hard. >> Yeah. And you and you look at what people can make if you if you look at I don't know if you've ever been to Captain Jack in East Hampton.
>> Yes. But uh they they put out a from not a very big place. They put a lot of food out. >> A lot of good food. >> Yeah. >> So So hopefully you can do the same kind of stuff. >> We're very excited. Thank you.
>> So uh we we had the forms that u that we we got from you guys a while back, but we weren't sure exactly what to do with it. So that's why we waited for this meeting to hear it loud and clear. So now we will get this submitted properly.
And how do we get on the agenda for the next meeting if that's how it works? >> I say that the before you get on the next meeting, you should be getting the plan so that that Lynn can do the review
of >> Okay. Lynn is definitely Lynn Bess is is definitely the person that will be taking the first cut at it. >> Okay. >> So, and we're not positive right now. So, we've got to make up our mind. Uh
the next meeting may not be for it could not be for a month. >> Okay. >> We may be skipping our normal next meeting. So, so and all you have to do is call Colleen. But for sure having this board
be the first group to see the your design and make comments on it won't be what happens. What we have to do is is deal with Colleen. Work with Lynn is really neat to deal with. She's very
knowledgeable and she can she'll get you 90 plus% of the way there. >> Perfect. And then when you're ready, then uh Colleen can get you on. And uh I think
what'll happen is is uh Colleen can find out if if you end up with you and Colleen and Lynn working together and and all of you will say, "Okay, these guys, this is ready for the board to deal with it." And and Colleen will get us copies so that we don't see him the
first time at this meeting and we say we can't do anything. So we we all get a chance to review them. Unfortunately, the the open meeting law makes it so that none of us can talk to each other outside the the meeting about this stuff
that >> that we're because we're only a three member board, as soon as two of us talk to each other, we become a quorum. And it it makes it that that talking together other than some really
limiting talk but nothing in terms of making decisions can be done outside. So it has to be done here. So we typically would end up doing our own reviews. We can talk we can each talk to Lynn and we
can talk to to Colleen, but we can't talk to each other. So we can we can we can move a lot >> over, you know, individual reviewing and making our own questions, send them back to to Lena and Colleen and we can move
forward. It's just not as a board, not not two or more of us. >> And Colleen can put us in touch with Lynn, I'm assuming. >> Yeah. >> Okay, perfect. >> You have a question? Well, I was going to I know no question is a silly or
stupid question, but can I have like a hypothetical? Let's say we get all this stuff to Lynn and Colleen and in a perfect world, we send it to you guys at the next meeting and you all look at it and say Lynn says it's great. We all agree or we don't and then we go go to
another meeting and then just keep plugging or does it end when you guys agree? Does it end with you? I would say it it in this board is the one that grants the license. >> Okay. >> It's the three of us. We don't have
anybody else that that is doing it. But for sure it'll be dealing with Lynn will will be the person. Lynn's got got the credentials, the the health credentials and and uh she's our knowledgeable
person. So, so that'll it'll end up >> really taking her as our our consultant and typically what she says is is what we end up doing. >> Okay, perfect. >> Thank you kindly. >> Okay, >> thank you folks. So good to see you
again. >> Nice to see you. >> Nice to hear your voice. >> Hey, good to see you yesterday. Thank you. Byebye. Have a great night. You too. Thank you. Thank you. So, our our next thing that that we have
is a title five at five country view lane from Allen Weiss and it fails. Uh, are we going to accept that? It looked like it it it sounded like from his report it's got bad concrete plus a
of failed SAS. Are we going to accept that? >> Which address was it, Dick? >> Five country view. >> That's the first one in the right or the left. >> Know where this one one is. Lee, you
probably know when you go into the the street. >> I think the third third on the left. >> Okay. >> It's on the left. Okay. So, not the one that's actually on a
cold attack or the one that is on a cold attack. >> Just before. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. All right. But it definitely didn't sound very good. >> Yeah.
>> No, it looks it looks like it's an hydraulic failure. >> Okay. >> Yeah. What year were those homes built, Dick? That was late 80s, right? >> You know, I was I looked at that. I said, "Oh, those are still pretty new."
And I It's It's like 35 years old. >> Yeah, that's right. >> So, yeah, late 80s is probably right, though. So, the pretty new ones are are pretty old now. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. So,
but I think that one was a filled system that that uh >> Yeah. Did Phil H Philahan's sidekick and Peter Davis developed some of those, didn't they? >> I think that's what who did that? And they were they were kind of messed up in
there. Those >> that's one of the ones that that's the two lots at the end of the culdeac that that I don't even they're still not developed but I don't know if you recall that one build that
>> yeah actually someone bought one of the ones at the end there's some funny carveout a neighbor bought a little piece of land then a guy went in the back he was living in there for a while >> in a trailer and they were try and
there's some wetlands and they were trying to get a wetlands permit and I think the guy just bailed out. >> Yeah, it could have been that that that in fact I I think
I maybe I'm wrong but I think that the guy that that that you were with at times what is his name? Uh >> lab Barbarara. the barber. >> Yeah, Peter Peter did his wetland permitting for him.
>> Yeah, but but somebody came in. Maybe it wasn't Peter that came in, but we went in to do the the last time we went in. And the place is filled with it. It's loaded with trees that are jammed in and and
you know, three, four, eight inches in diameter all in the spot we want it to be. and then all heavy vegetation and a guy showed, oh, Peter was there, but he wasn't doing the clearing. That's exactly what was happening. And a guy
says, "Okay, I'm the owner's coming. He's going to get to work." And and he gets a comes with his truck. He gets out of his truck and he's got a machete. [Laughter] where so we never ended up digging
holes. I think that the next that time I said this is crazy that you're going to stand here. You're going to have the board of health here and you got a guy going to take down four and six inch streets with a machete. >> Actually, that lot dick I think has frontage on Barton Street.
>> There's Yeah, there's some of it on the right side. It curls around and goes through the swamp, but on the >> That's right. That's right. Exactly right. That's right. But where the system was going to originally go, the what was the funny part, which is again it's probably 30 years ago. It the the
border goes up diagonally on these two lots and and there was only one spot that was big enough for a system and and two systems, but that
system had to be on on the border. So So close. Oh, that's right. I remember I was This is when I was on the board of health in the '9s. Yeah. Bo, that's right. Bob Sheen, somebody came in with a design with the two systems right on the border. I remember that.
>> That's right. And so the only way it could go in was that the you had to put the fill on the other property. So, but it was fine that that both people needed the same thing. They needed they were really in symbiosis.
>> That's right. They both had to to win or lose together. And then one of the guys said, "Too bad. You're not going to be able to put any fill on my property." And and what happens? It shut down. That
the guy that was being hardheaded ended up shutting the other guy down. So they were both shut down. >> That's right. And then the wetlands started because they they stopped maintaining the ditches and the the
mowing net. >> Yeah. >> And the wetland vegetation encroached like crazy. >> That's right. >> Onto the the property and it wiped out the that area that was used going to be parked. >> I can't believe we remember that, Dick.
That's that's amazing. Well, sometimes you get these funny little things that they, you know, when people have have hard heads and they they they definitely miss the the forest looking at the trees.
>> So, anyways, that's what that uh we've got the Colleen's got a on. So, Colleen, we did accept that five country view. >> Okay. >> All right.
the 16 East Street public water supply that Oh, that that >> interesting that you put it there. Uh there's activity from the state that some people have
been continue to complain about the wine house and of interest is the I forget what the name is. the man from the state called me up and we talked about the whole
history of it and what he was going to go in and and look at what did come out of it and I and two things came out of it. One is I did go out to the White
House and talk to Jim Trumpy and I about two things. One is about our lack of notice from the planning board uh that I was supposed to talk to the lawyer about. And what Jim told me is
that the planning board doesn't give those notices at all. It all comes through the selectman's office. So, it's the selectman that didn't give us the notice on time. It was not the planning board.
So, so we have to find out and and talk. >> Well, I think what happened I think Kathy was on vacation for a couple of weeks. >> It could be. >> Yeah. >> And Kathy, I think, is is only there part time. >> No. >> No. Oh, no. Colleen, there's new news I
heard through reliable sources. Kathy's going to stay on at 10 hours a week going forward. >> Okay. I know they're looking for Yes. Part time. Well, right. Part time. >> She's going to stay on. Yeah. She's going to assist Tammy. She's going to stay on for 10 hours a week, which is
>> 10 hours a week. And they're looking for someone for her spot, right? >> That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. >> So, Dick, this the state person, what bureau was he from? The ABCC. >> No, no, it's just D. It's the same guy that that Helen I think knows his name.
It's It's the same person that >> Oh, Sean Ganselves. >> Yeah. Sean. >> Oh, the wastewater guy. And the wastewater engineer. Okay. >> So, the issue that I didn't know about and I found out later that on the public
water supply apparently that that it is being managed. At least that's what Jim said that that it he knows it's a public water supply and it's in full compliance. However, what I didn't know and I told Don I didn't know and I don't
think the board knows is what happens to any waste any kind of process waste from the wine making. >> Right. Which which is high in BOD. >> Yeah. So what I found out
is that the solids are the the grape skins and stems and leaves or whatever they use. >> Those are composted and turned back into soil. >> That makes sense. That makes sense. >> They're not put in a septic system and they are not put in a landfill.
>> Good. >> And they're making beer out there, too. And that whatever the they call it a mash or whatever they call it that ends up going to the Keesier farm that that what is that deer brook or deer
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. They have their other little gig that that is going and being used as food for cows. >> Oh okay. >> So that is not there. So there's nothing
that's going to waste from solids. >> Wow. >> They are the liquids that there is no and there is no sanitary waste that there are very few people working there. Typically it's family members and they are using the toilets from the
restaurant. So there's no sanitary waste from the building whatsoever. But the liquid waste which is minimal that as Jim talked about if if you look at the the waste coming from big vat
uh manufacturers that have you know big pipes they break pipes and they you know dump 50 gallons of a pop on the ground that Jim has got little pipes and he and and he doesn't want liquids flowing on
the ground. He wants liquids flowing in people's stomach and and he said so it his liquid waste is minimal and for the all of it anything that gets on the floor that they just use a hose to spray
it down is little but he is using the same drains that Dick Folski was using for the dog kennels and he says it just goes out into a dry Well, so for sure that from the what we
know about what I know about the water table testing that we've done, it it's not acceptable uh you know disposal of waste that that we need to get him and and
have him deal with Neil and and collect that waste. But but my guess you is you could you could find out that it it's very low and and solid and it's mainly just you know spray up some spray down
with a hose from splashing that got to the floor but it it definitely can't just go into the ground. Mhm. >> So, but if >> no this wastewater engineer Gonzalz, what's his name? >> That's John Gonzal.
>> Don Gonzal. Okay. But he was supposed to go out and and take a look and and I I told him I said, "You know, if people are really complaining
that that Colleen told me that that the the woman that that is complaining who lives on Taylor Street, says that there's a well that's contaminated." And I told son, I said, you know, that that system that that
water, for one thing, is is flowing to the to the south and west. It's not flowing to the north. The water table gradient is very obvious. You got some streams and and swamps that are all flowing towards Stony Brook
>> and and I but beside that, I said, you can complain. Someone complained that the septic system isn't installed, but what we do know is that the sewage didn't go in the ground. It's been going getting pumped away and that in fact the people are complaining about them
getting the the portaotties being pumped out. >> So, so when we're all done this and we get the the system all all up and running, there is going to be liquid that goes into the ground where there's
not now. So, it's going to be a different impact. And if you're looking at people contaminating wells, just go across the street. And knowing what we know about the water table and this in that area, almost certainly everybody's
septic systems are non-compliant with current Title 5. and and so if we're looking for a source of pollution, it's probably the people that have the bad wells that are polluting themselves.
So So anyways, that that that maybe maybe do you think Lee and and Bill that we should be, you know, asking Jim to be at the next meeting and talking to him about about the process?
Yeah, that'd be that'd be informational for everybody, be educated, >> good for a touch base and project. Yeah, I I'm guessing that it's going to be a a low flow that that you know Neil will
have to figure out what kind of volume it is, but it probably can be done with a a septic tank that's right there with a a pump that goes up into the the the new leak field.
>> Yeah. You know, he'd have to have something that that guarantees that he'd have to explain to us his process to show that he's never going to dump grape juice or wine down into the sewer. That because that's the thing that's going to put the
the high loading, >> but >> Right. >> So, he he'd have to have process controls or procedures to prevent that from happening. Right. But so Colleen, can you get a hold of
Yes. of Jim? >> Yes. Yep. I will. >> The next thing that that I've heard on new business, you got another one, Colleen. It says approval for building department of 13
West Street. the solar. >> They sent another layout moving that. >> But we still that someone's got to lay out the piping, right? >> Yeah. There's there's underground
conduit electrical conduit those systems, >> right? There's underground conduit. There's piping that's there that there's sewage system. We're back to the point that that you can't you can't make up your mind without having this thing done
unless it's unless it's on the on the uh east side of the house. But when I looked at it, when I drove by that, I didn't see the space to do that. >> Yeah. I don't think the east side affords you that space. You've got that
drain coming off of West Street School. >> Yeah. And it goes that there's a large concrete u structure on the east side draining >> across this property.
>> All right. So you still need the engineering on that. >> Yeah, that's what the thing we keep saying that we go around and around. Yeah. >> Move it to here or move it to there and and Okay. >> Someone's got >> there must be a on some place. There
must be a well and well lines too. So, so they need to do that stuff and Yeah. And >> Yeah. Okay. >> And had they done this, you know, this would be done a month ago. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. I'll tell.
>> So, the next thing the that the package picked up, I hope. >> Yeah. That's the next thing that that that running around. Someone told me to go look and I I didn't look at the
selectman's minutes, but but I heard that that we're going to lose trash pickup and and that certainly depending on what happens, we we've done the fight about trash all
over the town when it's not done right. Does anybody know anything about this? >> I've heard that there was discussion at a recent select board meeting that I guess this would be FY
27. So, this would be next July that they're negotiating with Waste Management and other trash haulers and apparently the budget numbers are coming in out of sight. H >> so they uh would have to invoke some
sort of a sir charge on a real estate tax bill which I think the town is reluctant to do. So instead of doing that, I think the option is to delete curbside pickup,
possibly go in with South Hadley, allow our residents to drive all the way to South Hadley with smelly trash in their cars once every two weeks to get rid of their trash, which I find unpalatable now that we're a quarter
into the 21st century. This is absurd, Richard. It really is. >> You know, I think we've gone a long way. You know, Lou Barry and company arranged to have curbside pickup, which I think is a modern thing for a modern
community, and we're going backwards. Well, I I will say that that living at my sister-in-law's on the cake for a
while that that the the little cows on the cakes do in Wealth at least do a marvelous job at having they actually generate very little
waste, but they they do like four different source separations and it ends up that they they are they have a a a fee. It's like 50 bucks a year, but
but every waste bag you pay it. It's significant. It's, you know, two, three bucks a bag to throw away for a little a pretty little bag. But recycle stuff is all free. But they it's a big operation,
you know. They're they've got paper and aluminum and and steel ferris stuff and and glass and aluminum. So they've they've got they've got like six wafer
>> deal. What's the population of Wellfleet? >> It's about 5,000 people, I think. >> How many little kids live in Wellfleet? But I don't think many. >> See, that's the problem in Grandandy. You've got families with little kids and you end up with Pampers diapers and you
got to get rid of the diapers. >> Well, the the thing is, Bill, that that to do it though when we when we lived there, you can go every single day if you want. It was so for especially, you know, their difference is they've got
old people, people like me that can't carry, they don't have a car that they can put two weeks worth of trash in >> and don't and if they if they want to go every day and throw a three pack a three pound bag of stuff away, they can do it
if they want to pay, but at least their their pay for per throw is, you know, one little one little bag and But if you look at if you look at it and it's it's kind of
easy to get to and but so it could be that could be done but that's not like going to South Hadley once every two weeks was that's crazy stuff. But again, Dick, if we get into the recycling business, the town's going to
spend a lot of money getting that set up, and we're probably better off just paying Waste Management or Republic or BFI or whoever's in the business these days just paying the market rate for curbside. That's my thought.
I'm I'm thinking that when you take away a service, it's one thing to to say I'm going to pay extra to to give you a service, but now that they put it into the tax rate and now take it away, that's a
I'm guessing they're not going to say, "Hey everybody, you're going to save $300 a year on your taxes." No, my guess is that >> that's not going to happen. >> You're not going to get anything back on the taxes. you're just going to get this other and if if it's not convenient and it's
not inexpensive, it's going to end up in people's backyards and in the old trash piles that they used to have. >> Well, the the old school was if you got five acres in a backhoe, you're all set. >> Yeah.
>> How do we That's That's the sad truth. Listen, I've talked to many people around the town and they looked they look at me with a straight face and say, "I've got five acres and I got a backhoe." >> Yeah. >> But a lot of people didn't even have the backho. They just put a pile and let it
rot away. >> Oh god. >> So So this is it's going to end up being a border of health problem. >> Yes. >> So do we do we try to be proactive? and
say, "Let's let's try to help here." And, you know, not not just complain. It's it's smart. I think it's smart to say this all the three members of this board have been around to see when it doesn't work right. We've seen it not
work right. And and I'm guessing none of the selectmen have been around that have seen it not work right. And so do we do we try to to contribute and to
try to help steer it and help to come up with something that that would be acceptable to the town folks that doesn't end up causing a a health problem. Or do we sit and watch it? I don't think
we should sit and watch it. And then say, "Oh, this is not right." And someone says, "Hey, Bor, if you knew so much about it, why didn't you get involved in the other argument that every that everyone's going to hire a private hauler, which some of us do, but
the thing is not everybody in town can afford to hire a private hauler." >> Yeah, >> that's the problem. >> So, do we do we make a Do we as a board
do we do we send have Colleen send a note to the select board >> and say that that >> we understand that that you're looking at alternative trash disposal methods
>> and the board has experienced what happens when an unacceptable meth method gets put into place. And we'd be very anxious to be involved with with choosing the a method that that uh
supports the needs of the community and and protects the public health, >> right? And by >> do we want to send a letter to them and and say, could you please contact us about it? you know, unacceptable and
inconvenient. A lot of people might find it inconvenient to have to drive out of town with their trash. >> Yeah. >> And or keep it hanging around their house for 14 days. >> Well, I think that's going to be the a
really bad thing. I know what happens to me if I have if I have seafood and it sits in the garage in the summer. Well, that's why I have one of those black recycling bins, Dick, out back. And I'll tell you, during this summer, that thing
must have been60 degrees all summer. Boy, that cooks that stuff quick. Believe me, it works beautifully. No odor whatsoever. >> Bill, maybe that's part of it that if if you go and for >> that becomes source reduction. And I've
got a brother that lives in Northampton and Northampton provides the compost bin. >> Yes, I know folks up there that do use those things. If you put them in a sunny spot, they work beautifully. >> Yeah. So maybe that maybe as you look at
this whole program there is it's a combination of of source reduction and and collection and and you know somehow have this thing work but so Lee do you
think we ought to send a letter out to the selectman and see if we can we can help and and and say please let us be involved in >> Oh for sure. especially since this appears to be the inception
um of the change coming up. The sooner the better to understand the problem, the cost the town's incurring and uh as you and uh Bill pointed out ways of
helping and reducing um you know two weeks is just not going to work. There's going to be a huge amount of um animal activity. Uh it's just it's doomed to fail. >> Yeah.
>> I mean, people are >> give it up in the garage. >> So, >> if you could just listen to our minutes and and come up with a >> Okay. >> a note, we'll we'll send it out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And by the way, I'm going to give
us before we leave, I'm going to give us all a little bit a little treat that I I experienced the day before yesterday. And the I was working outside. I had both garage doors open and I came inside
for half an hour and my granddaughter was here. She was just heading out the door and I was going out the to going back out to work on the boat. And I when I opened the the garage door from So I walk I walked from my kitchen door under
a little overhang and then open the side door to the garage to walk in. And when I open the door, there were two very big bears >> inside the garage. >> Oh.
and and they were kind of walking out. Uh, luckily luckily I didn't surprise them. They heard me coming apparently, so they were out, but they had gotten into the garage and the there is a when
I stopped feeding the the birds, I have a trash bin, a metal bin with a cover on it that has sunflower seeds. They had knocked over that that container. They hadn't started eating yet. It was still
on the ground. And when I tried to get rid of them, I yelled at them and they looked at me and then I have an air horn that I had bought to scare bears away and blew it at them. They were only 15 feet away.
>> They wouldn't run away. And then I looked and underneath the the boat there were two or three little babies. Baby ones. >> Oh. So, so these things were this one was the mother and probably a
three-year-old female that was almost as big as the mother that was still with her. And then these were the end of the the first year for the the babies. But these guys did not want to leave. And they didn't leave until I yelled loud
enough. But I was also running back into the house. But they were right inside the garage. Wow. >> Wow. >> So, when you walk away and leave your garage doors open, just know that you could have some visitors.
>> Wow. >> But they were not. >> That's without having That's without two weeks of trash in the garage, Dick. >> That's right. That's why That's why I'm bringing that up. >> That's right. >> Oh, I know. I know.
But it was it when you look at it and you say these guys and then when they left they even with this horn you can't believe the horn is so loud your ears >> and the and they they didn't even jump. They just kind of walked away.
>> Wow. But it wouldn't afterwards I said, you know, it's kind of I was kind of lucky because I was walking from the door is kind of at it's at the front side of the garage and I was walking across the the
two garage doors. Had they not started to go out, I would have easily been right in the middle of their escape room. And that could have been a way different story >> if I had them cornered in there inadvertently.
>> Oh yeah. Wow. >> Wow. >> Good. Good story, Dick. Very, very good. >> So, >> oh my gosh. So, is our next meeting then September 23rd? >> Let's see. We've got I am definitely
going to I will be gone from the I leave the 7th and I will be back on the a week later. So that that's so the the 7th through the
the 14th I'm gone. >> So you want to do the 16th? Well, that's a question. So, our normal our normal meeting
would be the 9th, right? >> Is that right? Yeah. >> Yes, that's right. >> The night. So, do we and somehow we have to get back on to
the 23rd, right? that that's that schedule is one that we're going to have to get back on to get our normal correct rotation. Right. >> That's the week. Yeah, that's the week. Yeah. >> So, we would have to go
>> so >> two short meetings or just >> or do you skip >> or skip one and just do the 23rd? Bill, what are your thinking? >> When are Bill, when are you getting done?
>> The 4th. >> Next week. >> Thursday. >> Well, one way or the other, you're probably going to be by the by the 16th, you're probably going to be in pretty good shape, huh? >> Hopefully.
I think we could go to I think we could go to the 23rd. >> Just skip the meeting and get you really better, Bill. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> What do you think? >> Yeah. There's not that much cooking
right now. >> Yeah. And then, Colleen, if if we get in trouble and we need the meeting, then we could we could call the meeting. That that means that we'd not have to do it on the
>> 16 and then and then catch up on the 23rd, a week later. >> Yeah. if we had to to call it that that means that that we would have Well, I could you could still get in
touch with me if you if you said that on the >> you'd have to call it on Colleen on the on what the Friday. >> Uh yeah, I usually post it. Yeah. Friday for Tuesday or unless you want to go Wednesday and then Monday you you'd be
back, you know, whatever. Um, so Tuesday or Wednesday. >> We could do that if you if there's something really crazy. >> You can still you can still call me, Colleen. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And we could we could say, "Yeah, on
Friday we could decide we're going to have it on Tuesday." You want to do that? We so we'll call it we'll we'll schedule it for the 23rd and if we're going to meet I'll still be able to to get Zoom access
to to make a meeting. So why don't we do that? Why don't we say we'll we'll do it on the 23rd unless Colleen says well we better meet then we'll we'll call a meeting for that a short week. >> Okay. >> You want to do that? >> Yes. That's reasonable. If something
goes something goes really bad, we're we're available. >> Okay. So, that's what we'll do, Colleen. >> Okay. So, I'll schedule one for the 23rd. >> Okay. Okay. All right. And you'll send
me the recording, this recording. >> I will send this recording out. >> Okay. Perfect. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Okay, then we're all set for tonight. >> Okay, folks. Thank you so much. >> Okay. Good luck, Bill.
>> We won't be seeing you talking to you until after your surgery. So, good luck. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Oh, yeah. Good luck with that. I'm sure it'll be fine. Thank you. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay, everybody. Good night. >> All right. Good night. >> Bye.
>> Good night, folks.