[Music] Okay. So, >> so we're online. I just had a crew walk in the door. for
them and ask them to to be quiet as they as they go by me. So actually see hopefully Lee does end up >> there's Lee. Hi Lee.
>> Okay. How are they doing? Hey, >> good. How's everyone tonight? >> How are you doing? Good. Thank you. >> Good. >> Hi, Bill. >> So, so we'll open up the we are recording and just on our so I
don't forget it. Uh the minutes from September 23rd. Um I did have a couple a couple corrections that I put in. One, both of them were around the fact that that uh
one was on Bill doing the reviews of the of the uh building permits and saying that that we should report on those on the the a meeting for final
approval. and the other on both the building permit and in fact the the way it was written is that that Lee and I approved the the payment forum and it wasn't it was three
of us that did the the payment as an inspection of those reviews and also the septic system uh reviews. But other than that, those were the only changes I had. But Bill and Lee, what are what are your thoughts on the minutes?
>> Yep, that's fine. Dick, I approve. >> Yep. >> I'm >> okay, Colleen. So, all three of us >> approve those. >> The next as long as we're we're here, we >> I have a question, Bill.
I don't know if if it looks >> I think that's right. I think Kim Wright is talking and she's >> It is. I'm sorry. Yes, I have uh It's dark out. I'm outside. I just left the volleyball game. >> Oh. Oh, okay. I thought you were inside
a couple of minutes ago. Kim, >> what was it? The >> I was Yeah, but the reception The reception was pretty bad. Um, so I have a question about my building permit for 11 circle. You can't you can't we've got an agenda so we can when we get to there you can
you can talk but if if we don't follow the agenda we we we can't get any place during the night so >> okay I wasn't sure if you I wasn't sure if that's what you were just talking about or not >> no what but uh so we will get there
>> okay I'll wait my turn >> okay there's two septic system uh review. Uh both of them are Neil Jackson. One of them is 218 Bachelor Street. The the 218
Bachelor Street is a repair for complete system, a three-bedroom house. The fee is paid. The review is complete. It's a cleared level one plus acre lot, deep sand, no observed water table, no wetlands. the issue the the well
proximity is to the proposed SAS although Neil tells me that the the owner wanted a new well anyways and uh also there's a separate dry well the design is for a new 1500galon two
compartment tank with an outlet filter three three foot by 40 foot by 12 in effective depth terrace I have terrace trenches that's not that's a mistake It's not. They're level trenchers. They're they're not vented. 442 gallons
a day provided versus 440 required. Fill is specified. Reserve area is not provided. Uh with the repair, it does not have to be. 5-ft water table separation ballast is not required. The
existing septic tank and dry wells are going to be pump crust and compacted. There will be new piping to that to to abandon the the uh dry well and there are actually two entrances into the new
tank. One from the the old dry well and then the the main sewage line. Uh the siltation control on this one is is not specified. The septic tank and SAS separation to the wetland are the wells
more than 100 ft. And there is a new well required on this one to discuss with the trench permit to fill the well permit and it's our our policy of of having its installation complete before
the issuance of the septic permit. And that also requires a a uh an abandonment and that both the well permanent and abandonment permits are are rounds for us. uh the existing so I've got the
existing well abandoned there's a plumbing permit there are two notes that have to be removed note number 24 requiring a pump and alarm circuit and the other is that even though there's six foot separation between the trenches that Neil's got on there that the
reserve area is in between the trenches and that can't be with six feet. So, those are there really no big issues with this one. But, uh, other than needing the new wells, what what are Lee and and Bill, what are your thoughts?
>> Is that 218? >> It's 218. >> Yeah. I'm looking at the lot. It's a small lot. >> It says that Neil has on it that it's like 44,000 square feet. >> Yeah. Okay. And it's boxed in by an estate lot to the rear. So there's not
Yeah, there's not a lot of room there. And there seems to be a fabric building on the site as I think I don't know if they came to Neil, are you here? >> I just I just signed in. Yes. >> Hi, Neil. Did you bring this to conservation already?
>> Absolutely. Which one? >> 218 bass. >> 218. Well, no, there's no reason to, but I was wonder. It looks >> No, no, there's enough there's no wetlands anywhere near this. >> I didn't realize that. Okay. I was just
saying that such a tiny lot. >> No, it's an acre. >> Yeah. And they got enough room for the for the wells and all the setbacks are okay. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah, he's got it. He's got it in. But he he is needing a new well. So we we do need the well permit and the well
abandonment. >> Yeah. You know, you got you got number two ridge path across the street. You got two 213 Bachelor across the street. You got 214 next door. You got 222 next door.
Then behind it, you've got 220. >> Yeah. Yeah. I have all the offsets. All those. >> You got all You got all the offsets? >> Yeah, I've got them all listed. >> Okay. Okay. Good enough. Yep. That's good. >> Lee, what you were there? What are your thoughts?
>> Um, I don't see anything to raise a flag about. Everything appears to be uh what we found on site and uh chatted about as far as the well goes and the locations. I think we're good on this.
>> Okay, Colleen, we've we've approved that one. >> Okay. The next one is also Neil. This one This one is right across the street from Jerry Lavoy's house and old house and it's in back of the barn that that
was across the street. And it's a lot 19 Kendall Street, new construction, complete system, three-bedroom house. The review is complete. It's
there. It's cleared and treed. It's probably mostly creed. Sloped down to the rear to the south. It's a 15 plus acre lot. Peach stands with 51 inch water table. Wetlands are are really all
around this other than right along the street. this thing it goes then the wetlands are tight and it goes out into some of it is looks like it's natural wetlands some of it that Jerry created when he pulled the
the gravel and sand out of there the the issues are the the slope the wetlands the high water table and the issues on this one it definitely limited space to the wetlands the design is for a
1500gallon two compartment tank with an outlet filter. Uh oh, by the way, the the one that on the one that I had that before.
Oh, no. This this I'm sorry. This one will have it. I don't see my yellow highlights. It didn't It didn't copy on my my drawing. It's got two 3 foot by 65 foot by8 foot effective sidewall
trenches. Uh vents are required, but they're not hauled out on on this one. Um I did let Neil know that that had to be fixed. 44 gallons per day provided versus 440
required. Fill it required on this one. Reserve areas provided between and adjacent to the trenches. 5- foot water table separation ballast is not required. Uh filtration
control is uh specified as this one. The septic tank and SAS separation to the wells all wells is more than 100 ft. The septic tank is more than 54 feet to the
wetlands. the SAS is more than 85 ft to the wetlands and that's that's absolutely as much as he could get. um discussion the trench permit requirement, the still requirement,
uh a plan needed. This one that temporary benchmarks is just the top of a a rebar driven in the ground. And I'm saying we need a a plan to ensure that the integrity of
that benchmark somehow go to a a second one or do something that someone Those are property pens. So they're driven they're driven in pretty good. >> Yeah. But if they're driven in two more feet or a foot, it doesn't tell I can't
tell if they're at ground level or >> it's easy to take a sledgehammer and drive it that any depth we want. >> Oh, you're right. >> So just to reference, go to, you know, that barn in the front
someplace. top of the road, the road crown or the a telephone pole. Just a second one to to make sure that that someone doesn't do something that that's not to cope. The next is the vents required for the
SAS lines. The other is that the the house is definitely in the buffer zone. So, I've got that the concom review of the house in the buffer zone. Um, and just talking about the septic tank and SAS has proximity to the wetlands. But
those are the the issues that I have. Bill and Lee, you would build you've got to get the Concom's got to get sign off on new stuff. Anyway, >> I got three comments on this, Dick. Obviously, they have to come to conservation. Two is there's a
riverfront resource area, a possible issue that has to be resolved. And three is there's an artisian well in the property, Dick, that's free flowing that I recommend be uh grouted and sealed.
>> Now, uh would conservation entertain the idea of letting them use that well or no? I mean, it was >> that's a board of health question, Dick. Are you going to let him use the existing free flowing artisian well? >> It's been there for a number of years.
other states >> end up forcing to to not have that deplete the groundwater. There are other states that require those wells be sealed. So that's not going to continue to free flow,
>> right? I'm guessing this time of year it may not be free flowing, but in the spring and in the winter, the times I've been out on this property in the past, it's been free flowing. >> I think it was put in about seven years ago and it wasn't
>> the 6 in the 6 in shaft is in fine shape. I think it's perfectly fine, but again, I suspect that a uh an environmental person or a well driller's got to bleach the well and take do bacteria and chemical testing to make sure the water's portable,
>> right? Is that is that something that if if everything comes out okay, you would allow them to use? >> I can't see why not. What do you think, Dick? Well, I think I think there's no reason to do it. But are we are we going
to say that that needs to be be plugged in a way that that it stops it from just running over? >> No. No. Neil wants to use it as the the water supply for the house, >> right? >> I know that. I know that. But but are
you going to just let it run? >> No, we No, we we could >> I'm guessing the well driller can cap it with a >> Yeah, they can cap it. pressure cap with a pressure cap to prevent it from free flowing. >> Right. >> I I don't see any reason that that they
couldn't do it. Bill, it from your standpoint, it looks to me like it it's out in the wetland, isn't it, Neil? >> Yes, it is. It is. I mean, but seven years ago, >> you know, they they allowed to put it in. It wasn't wetlands. And I I know it's wetlands now, for sure. Yeah. And
part of the fact that it's wetlands is it's had water running 247 for the past seven years. >> Yeah, you're right. >> But but again, that would save the homeowner a lot of money by >> re it would. Yeah. And of course, that
budget they they were relying on using this well. >> We use the well, it's it's more than 100 ft from everything. It's a >> if we're still if as long as the conservation commission is you feel
comfortable that the conservation commission what what we could do from Lee is if if you agree we could say that we approve it. We can approve this design with the well
in either location and and then let Neil and his and his clients go to conservation commission and get the permission to use the well and it lets us, you know, get
through this part of it and kneel to get out of this, you know, tangled up spot. And then your group, Bill, your other group could decide whether you're going to let them have access or what requirements you'll
put for access to to get to it. >> Yes. Yeah. is to put the pipe in. >> But if we did it that way, Neil at least would be walking away and his client would be walking away with an approved design with with two choices for the
well, >> right? That's a good way to do it. >> Lee, what is your thought? Um, it makes perfect sense to viewing the location and the distance
that spending a few bucks now on some water testing and getting a well driller in there to properly cap it. My only question um since this is in the wetland
um maybe this is a question for Bill um how does it or does it not affect the wetlands that we have to uh drive through the wetlands to run the line to the house.
I think this is no worse than the red fire farm well location situation which was done successfully I understand a few weeks ago. So I think that that is very easily done by a capable contractor with
appropriate erosion control measures. So we can bring that up next week at conservation Neil which you're going to have to do enhanced you'll have to do some enhanced erosion control on this. >> Yeah. No, I fine. >> A way to get this done. There's certainly a way to get this done.
>> Okay, good. I app I appreciate that. Thank you very much. >> Okay. >> Okay, then we're done with that. We're uh >> I don't know. Is Is Lynn here? >> Looks like not. >> Yes, I am.
>> Yes, she's >> How are you? >> Good. How you doing? Very well, thank you. Nice to hear you. Good to hear you. So >> thing for us L when you the I saw some on the obviously the board hasn't
discussed it because we can't outside the meeting but on Church of Christ um you have a a question that came up that you've that at least one person said they were bringing food to their
next event. That was a fair amount of food that was prepared in nonapproved kitchens. >> Yes. So, I don't know if you remember, but last year one of I can't remember now who told me, but um somebody
complained to me that the churches were that specific church I can say is um doing that every year. And so I believe that was when Colleen and I like I think we I like it was a letter that went out
saying that they can't do make um anything from uh their you know regular kitchens unless it's a you know certified. And so we did send out the letter last year and somehow it came out again. And I can't maybe Colleen
remembers how this came about this year, but um so yeah, so this is the problem I ran into last year and it sounds like they're ready to start selling stuff that was baked and done in, you know,
private kitchens that are not certified. So I don't know how you want. It sounds like they're starting to get angry. I'm not sure how you want to handle this or what you want me to do. There are some palen you looked up some of this and there are some things that
can be cooked and prepared that are nonp potentially hazardous foods I think that that end up being able to be made I think in non-certified kitchens. Do you recall
if that was correct? >> Well, there's stuff like Lynn, I mean, she's the she's the expert, but like the bake sale stuff is is probably okay, but the hazardous anything else. I don't know about all these jars of things.
What What about those, Lyn? I mean, I don't >> Sounds terrible. You if you can proper improperly, you can have bachulism, right? Yeah, >> I was going to say you can get I was just about to say that like that's where it gets tricky >> because there's botulism involved and
that's a big deal. So, as we all know, >> so I don't know again I don't I don't know what's being baked. You know what I mean? Like I when I walked in last year I was like whoa there was a lot of stuff. So that's where I think that's where I was like you know we've got to
we got to you know figure this out. I just I just again I don't know. That was the one thing. And then a couple other like another question I have was what do I do if I go to an event and there's like people there that don't have a
permit from us? Like I don't you know what I mean? >> Yeah. You don't want to >> like a food truck >> shut them down on the spot. That would be a little bit of a >> a difficult thing to accomplish. >> Well, especially for me. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And we're not going to bring the police in. So, we talked a bit about this at the the last meeting and and I think what what we need to do
I is to to put the onus on the people that are are running these are taking out the permit and to say, you know, they're the ones that if we look at this particular actually the two churches especially that they both say, "Gee,
we've got these certified kitchens. That's where everything's being done." the actually at the school was the same exact thing that that the where the whatever it was the the men can cook or whatever the event used to
be that >> that they said this was all done in certified kitchen with with certified supervisors and now we're and now we end up saying gee not only is are you letting it not follow what you
said in the permit Now you are bringing in people without potentially without permits to be selling food or food I know food trucks and so that's that's really their responsibility and and
my feeling would be you tell them that's how the reason we go through these permits is so we don't get people sick and if and when you do exactly what they're doing we're it's not being a gee board of health you're nice guys by
letting stuff happen to get people sick. We're We're not nice people when we get people sick. >> What? No. What are they What are they selling other than sugary baked goods? They're not selling custards or anything like that, are they? >> They're selling canned tomatoes that can
be loaded with botulism. >> Yeah. And if you've got people that are showing up on a food truck that has no permit, you have no idea what's happening. >> So they're selling home canned tomatoes
in a ball jar, >> Len. Is that your understanding? Yeah, I mean, you know, it does get tricky because I get what you're saying even with people baking goods at home, but it's not a residential kitchen. So,
like if you're selling the product, if it was just like a charity, like a church event, whatever, um that there is a section of the food code, but like if you're actually selling food and we don't know what's going on in that kitchen, like who knows? Like I I don't know. That's right.
>> And and so that's not okay. and you know and this canned stuff like that gets really tricky like really tricky. Um, and I understand from whatever who was complaining that they've been doing it for how many years or whatever, but like that's but that doesn't really matter,
you know, like so all right, so you did it for that many years. But >> um, and as far as the food trucks, yes, I mean, I suppose if I run into that again, I can tell, you know, the person in charge that, hey, you know, I don't know where where these people are coming from. Like I don't I don't have a permit
for them. What's the what's the deal here? Um, and just and then bring it to the board and see, you know, I don't know what you would decide to do. You know what I mean? >> Dick, didn't you say last time that the the the person in the overall charge of
the event, say the church or or the Lions Club or whomever, they would be in charge of their subcontractors, if you will. So, consider these other people to be subcontractors to the main the main entity running the event.
>> So, we have to Yeah. So we have to talk to the people that are in charge of the main the main operation and just pound it into their mind say listen you cannot allow these folks to operate or to present food unless they have a permit from the board of health. I think it's
it's easy for us to to do that that we've got two permits tonight and just make sure that Colleen on both of the permits say anybody selling food has to have a permit to sell food and
any food has to be prepared in a licensed kitchen and just it and then if Lynn shows up that they look at this thing is in writing and serious and to let people know that's what we're going to do. So, it's not it's not the board
of health showing up and saying we're the bad guys. It's the people running it saying we don't care. >> But see, Lynn doesn't have any leverage with that because if Lynn fi finds someone violating that criterion, >> there's nothing she can do to stop it.
She just says, "You're not allowed to do this." And we tell them that we're going to we if they don't shut down when Lynn says to shut down, we're going to shut the whole thing down. That'll be the last permit they get. They're They're not going They don't want to have this happen. They don't want to get people
sick either. >> So So Lynn, would you be comfortable shutting down a particular vendor in a in a large venue like that? >> Uh by myself, that's a little difficult to do. Um, typically
typically that has happened in the past in my career, but typically I do have backup. You know what I mean? Like >> maybe what we could do, Dick, is one of us, either you, me, or Lee, she could call one of us and we could zip over there and give her backup support. >> We could do that. >> Why don't And I think the important
>> If I'm around, I'd be happy to come down and help you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But I think that the way we do it, so we don't want this to happen. We absolutely don't want that to happen. So, the way you do it is with the permit
to let people really know that that this is my serious stuff that we need to protect the public and that that they need it's simple is that the people that are selling food have to have permits. The vendors that are selling it and the
food they sell has to be prepared in in licensed kitchens. It's simple. and that if if they do don't do that, we are going to shut those operations down so that everybody is clear upfront and that they're not they're good both especially
the two churches. They're they're not out to to try to cause trouble. They're they're just not they're they're good people to be doing these these events and we just have to make sure they're aware that what they're doing has the
potential of really getting someone sick and that and so my guess is it's going to be really easy and that Lynn's not going to have a problem and that the people are going to police themselves and act in a really responsibly way and
it's not going to be an issue. They're going to say, "Oh my god, I never thought about it that way." I'm sure that that someone at a bazaar isn't thinking that when they put a a a can of
or a jar of of stewed tomatoes that they could actually kill somebody. That they don't they don't want to do that. >> So, what are we going to do? What are we going to do about this Christmas cookies and all that that that's coming up at that church? Sounds
like Colleen's getting a lot of angry >> um feedback. >> Yes. >> Well, I read your email today, I was like, "Oh, boy." >> Yeah. The problem with the with the angry feedback is that they are
maybe they're accustomed to doing the things they've been doing for all these years and cookies and brownies probably are exempt from the the bacteria, maybe not. Um, but as Dick and Bill have
pointed out, the bigger picture is the people who go to these events, who buy these things, who give them to their grandchildren don't want anything to happen. I know they don't want it to happen either. So
they have to simply get um involved with what we all have to get involved with, which is following the current state code. And if we have
to be the bad guy for a little bit, um maybe the bigger picture is, you know, we can't lose focus of that. And I don't want to be the bad guy, but if I have to, I'm okay with that because I would feel
a whole lot worse. Children got sick because of us >> backing down. >> And I think the church doesn't want that
to be a confrontational issue. So communicating early as Dick and Bill have just said, we can avoid all the grief. They just have to just whoever running this thing take
step of being the control, the boss, whatever you want to call it. And if they have to rent the kitchen out and they all go to that kitchen and do all their baking in that kitchen under summon supervision or something like that, I don't know, then the problem's
gone. >> So that the the weekend before or something, they say, "Okay, our our kitchen, this is going to be the the pie and cookie and and bakery weekends, and we're all going to be there under the supervision to make sure
everything's done right. we're going to cook it together and and that's going to be part of our thing. It's just not going to be cooked at their house and it's not going to >> correct. It won't take away what they can sell that that it's just that that
both they will be if as you say Lee if they're upset at first afterwards and they say you know what this is actually a big measure measure of of protection for everybody and and
>> you know God forbid that someone gets really sick from something that say oh I didn't think about that. >> Yeah. And the other thing too, Lynn, is that it takes away all the grief from you of walking into a place and >> Yeah.
>> hate you because you're there representing the board of health doing your job because these guys, whether out of mistake or just out of uh habit or whatever it is, uh do things their own
way. uh cannot continue. Sounds like we're under we're all in agreement. And Colleen, that it'll be up to you with these permits to make sure that we have a a separate sheet. And if
you can reach out and just instead of just putting the sheet, >> reach out to the person asking for the permit to say, "Hey, we just want you to we're sending a sheet telling you this, but we want you to be aware that that we're serious about that protect to
protect everybody." I did talk to the fellow who runs the Dino Fest and he just he said he he definitely wants to follow whatever the board said, but he said he doesn't know who the vendors are
>> ahead of time and and I said you well you you have to we ha they have to have a permit. They're going to have to >> they have to know who the vendors are. they can't just vendors walk into those >> right and he said oh I don't have any notice I don't know when so I but I will
tell him that you know and then he said well maybe we won't have food vendors there and um so I said yes they ha they have to get a permit so I I will touch base with him and I'll >> touch base with the woman who runs the
uh the Christmas one so >> yeah that for sure he answered There can't be. I don't know what's going to I'm taking a permit out, but I have no idea what's going to happen there. That That doesn't work. That That means that
that they're going to have to >> set up like charter day and have it all inspected and it's going to be not a little thing that says, "Oh, we're going to have one of these things, one of these events." That >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
>> So, okay then. >> Okay. And if you need me Yeah, that's fine. And Colleen, if you need me to like go through the food code and get like because basically all we're doing is following the state code and which we have to, right? >> And I can find so all I have to do is
like I can take exerpts from the state code and like as you talk or whatever, give it out however you want to do it and we can talk like after the meeting tomorrow, whatever. Um, I can like I can do the research like I know I know pretty much where it all is, but um give
you the exact, you know, location and the exerpt and all that so that they know that we're, you know, we're just following rules and we don't make them up. >> That would be good. Just so that Yeah. >> Okay. >> Tell them exactly. Yep. That's >> Yeah, cuz I think sometimes people think that we're make the board, you know, and
I, you know, are making up the rules and like it's not us, it's the state. We just have to enforce it like, you know what I mean? So, yeah, that's fine. Let us all all be aware it's not the state's the bad guy here. The state's
got a lot of experience and the state is saying we want you to do this because that's how the we can stop people from getting sick, >> right? >> And and it's not, oh, they're do making us do a bad thing. They're not. They're making us do a good >> No, not at all.
>> Yeah. >> No, but we have to follow their rules like that. It is what it is. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. Okay. Yep. >> All right, Lyn. Very good. >> So, is that it for you, Glenn, for tonight? >> Yeah, I just quickly I went to the high school to look at their kitchen.
Everything's fine. Um, so I have not got to the VFW. I've been trying to reach out. I can't get a hold of anybody at this point, but I'll keep, you know, I'll try again and continue. But, um, so as far as I'm concerned, the school is ready to go. >> Uh, they're not quite ready to fire things up, but once they are, I'll go
back and do an inspection while things are running and do a better inspection. It was more like a prerec, but everything looks good. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Yeah. Thank you. >> Before we move, >> Dick, just did you see the note from
Rayman? Dick. >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Ray has to leave to an event and they just wanted to know whether or not they're going to be able to try to finalize the uh Red Fire Farm tonight. Chris Chamberlain will still be on board, but Ray has to leave right now. Ray, thank you.
>> Yeah, we're late with them. I I did look at the I looked at their plan. Uh the only we've discussed all of this uh other than in general we uh we talked
about the not on the last meeting we talked about not putting the house in now and what what the folks designing the system would like to do and and that it's a key to this is new to the board
to Bill and and Lee uh They would like to because of the construction difficulties and especially with the parking lot, they would like to put the the the original tank is going to be used as a a first tank, the 1500gallon
tank. They're putting in a 1000gallon second tank for the house. They would like to put the second tank in and they'd like to put the piping that's going to be under the the road and they would like to be plugging inlets and
outlets of of the two tanks so they can't be used until we give the permission to to use them, but they'd like to do the construction of them now so that the parking lot doesn't have to be ripped apart. And and actually when
Chris pointed it out to me, I said, you know, I would as I was looking at the design, I said, "Ah, as an engineer, I would not like to be putting that pavement down knowing that I was going to come in and rip it all up again." And
uh and I I was going to suggest that they think about doing that. And instead, Chris said, "Hey, I'd like to do this." So other than all the things that we've talked about going along here, they've
been Chris and company has has been plotting just plotting along and taking each one of my comments and crossing them out and dealing with them and he he stays on top of them. He doesn't actually say he doesn't give me a hard time. He just keeps doing what I asked
him to do. And uh but but as far as I'm concerned, they they've done what what they needed to be doing. We've got what we thought was important. We're we're still at the point that the condensate
from from the HVAC stuff is it's still ultimately something's going to happen with it, but it can go out on the ground right right now. But, uh, I think we should just give them the go. Go ahead
and and let them move forward. The the the thing that was that that's up in the air that that that's separate. We're back to the building inspector part of it. That's the that's the kitchen
layout. And what Rey had had sent the thing to me saying, "Gee, do we have to do the whole kitchen layout?" And my comment to to Rey was that they ought to lay the kitchen out to the point that they know what the devices are going to
be and let the board be involved or lend be involved with that. They certainly don't have to have the full kitchen design that, you know, includes the ventilation and the fire suppression and but if they're going to be burying
uh electrics below the floor, then they have to have have a lot more design, but they they uh Ray said the electrics will not be coming up from the floor. They'll be coming from the top. So, so that my
feeling is we should give the okay to to to this this project from a board standpoint. >> Yeah. Just a couple of comments, Dick, on the plugged uh future pipes, if you will. Uh common practice is you'll
you'll mark the terminus of the pipes where the plugs are with a piece of rebar with flagging tape over it so they'll be easily found at a later date because you don't want to forget where it is and have to dig everything up to find it. That's number one. And number
two on the plumbing, and I think I made a comment a couple of weeks ago, is that uh you kind of want to know where all your devices are going to be in the building because the plumbing vents may be affected by the devices. You need plumbing vents within so many feet of a
device. Otherwise, you end up with funny suction in the in the venting line. So, it it'll be it would be prudent to have a have someone do the plumbing layout and provide the venting before before you get too far down the road on that.
>> Yeah, I'll just throw in on on the first of those. We've got detectable warning tape spec for all of our pipe runs. So, those are those are going to be where your plugs are going to be. Yeah, you put the OD plugs in. That's fine. It's a good way to do it. Very good. >> Great. Yeah. Yeah. And the other the other big item was the nitrogen loading.
And so the latest plans have a map that shows just the wooded areas that are all wetlands. And we got more than enough to get our 440 gallons per acre. So we don't have any any con any ambiguity about the a fields being counted. >> Okay. So So you're no greater than 440 gallons per day per acre. Okay.
>> Much much much less than that in fact. >> Okay. Good. Good. >> Without count, Bill, without counting the egg land. >> Right. because the egg >> and we said you can't you can't use the egg on that calculation. >> Yes. >> Yeah. There' be plenty of nitrogen in
the egg land, believe me. >> So Lee, what is your thought? >> No, I'm hearing what's going on here and I'm I'm right on pace with it. I think it's going uh as per everyone's request
and you know there's a lot of back and forth a lot of work but I think that we are really getting cooperation uh as they are as well and it's heading in the right direction. >> Okay Chris, you're we're you're a little
tiny bit late but uh we got you out. We lost we lost Ry, but I think she heard some of it. >> Right. Right. Okay. All right. Okay. >> Move forward. Thank you. Nice to work with you, Chris. >> Very good. Thanks. Um, yeah, we'll we'll
reach out when it's their time is right. And, uh, yeah, just, uh, the the well is in. If Ezra hasn't submitted the well completion report, I'm sure that's going to come any day now. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Very good. >> Okay. Good night. >> Thank you. You know, this is this is not
a bad time to take a quick shot at Kim Wright. You know that we're going to start going and she's going to sit there for a long time. Although she's muted. Oh, she's unmuted. >> Here I am. Thank you.
>> So maybe we can get you a quick answer. >> Fantastic. >> What is your question? So, I'm inquiring about the building permit that um we applied for. Uh I think it was about a month ago, over a
month ago. There seems to be some um confusion and I'm not sure how to rectify this. Um so, we just uh had the the um septic and leechfield, everything installed via all these new the new codes, everything like that. Um within
it within the last year, Neil Jackson did our design. Um, you know, we've raised the plumbing. We we've done everything. We're adding on we're con we're enclosing our carport. There's a current carport and we're enclosing that
to add square footage to our house, but they um the house is it was I guess it was listed as a three-bedroom house. It's currently a two-bedroom house at the moment and the addition is going to be the third bedroom. So, the septic is
brand new. It's equivalent for a three-bedroom house. Um, so I'm not sure like what is needed at this point. >> Okay. Dick, can I speak to this a little bit?
>> Yeah. Okay. I'm looking at your house. Hi, Kim. Nice to meet you. Um, I think we spoke spoke on the phone a couple of weeks ago. >> Okay. I'm looking at your house. 11 Griswald Circle. I see the driveway to the right of the house. I'm guessing the carport is that particular location with
the hip roof. >> Now, I'm also looking at your building permit submittal forms and um you've submitted something on uh the 4th of September, the 19th of September, and then the 3 of
Let's take a look at that. The 3rd of October. And let's take a look at what you've submitted here. Okay. Okay. This is a hand sketch. Did you make this sketch up, Kim? >> I did not. >> Okay. Who made up this sketch?
>> Um, I believe it's pro I don't know what sketch you're looking at, but it's probably my contractor. >> Okay. Yeah, it says 11 Griswald Circle. Dick, I can just show you quickly. It's a little hand sketch. Can you see that, Dick? >> Yeah, I can.
I'm trying to see, Bill, when you look at it, what are the the rooms if let's say the sketch is reasonably close? >> Yeah. >> What how many potential bedrooms are there?
>> Okay, hold on. I see to the left of the h looking from the street on the left of the house, and you can correct me on this, Kim, if I'm wrong, there are two bedrooms to the left of the house. Is that correct? >> Yes, sir. Okay. And there's a hallway and then there's a bathroom.
>> And then you got a living room and a kitchen in the back. >> We have one big great room there. Yes. >> And then your new new room is going to be 24 by 24. And it looks like it's going to have its own bathroom and that's going to be a
new bedroom. Correct. >> Yes, sir. That's going to be a master suite. >> Okay. Okay. So, Dick, so what I'm reading on this sketch is ultimately it's going to be a three-bedroom house or three operable bedrooms. Let's put it that way. >> So, what is the is the so that
so we've got a bedroom that's being put on or is it is it already designed for a three-bedroom house? >> Well, that's that's the thing. I would love to see the submittal document. Colleen, do you can you upload the septic plan for this onto the permit link?
That's easy enough to do when you're adding a bedroom is just have the engineer say this is what is set up for a threebedroom home >> again. That's what we're asking you to do, Kim. Just have your engineer >> Yes. >> I did I I talked Neil Jackson designed the septic and I talked with him last
week. I told him and then I told him he could call Bill any questions and that's as far as I've gotten. I haven't heard anything. >> Okay. Well, well, Neil's right here. Neil, are you here? >> Yes. >> Yeah. If I I'll I'll submit a letter if that's what you need.
>> Okay. So So is that true? Is this home designed for 440 gallons a day? >> I believe it was. Yeah. I didn't Yeah, I didn't ask for any variances. So I'm sure it's a threebedroom put kitchen. >> Send a thing send a thing in saying it's set up for a
>> a Graby 440 gallon a day system. A three Grahamby threebedroom house. If you could just send that out then we're off off to the races. I'll do it in the morning. >> Okay. >> Okay. That's easy. Has >> that answered your question? >> Yes. That's I mean Yes. That's all we
needed for the permit, I believe. >> Okay. Then we're all set. Have a good night. >> Thank you. Glad to help. Thank you very much. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yep. Byebye. >> Okay. So, let's go. >> Let's go through our things. We've got the My next item is
Colleen's time sheet. It is a for this two-eek period normal 70 hours a week. Are we okay with 70 hours for the two weeks? Are we all set with that? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Lee,
I think we lost Lee. So I am say Colleen if you just Okay. >> Are you all set with Colleen 70 hours for the two weekly? >> Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. I am as well. Next one is um
payments to the treasurer from the the board. It is this twoe period is $1,020 and that comes from 350 from board of health permits, 620 from board of health
licenses, $50 from board of health fees, and that's it. Totaling $1,020. Are we okay with that? Yes, I'm good. >> Lee, >> yes. Thank you. >> I am too, Colleen. So, that's approved.
>> Okay. >> Next one is uh Graham Liquor uh tobacco permit and that is that expires September 30th, 2026. That's a renewal. Are we okay with that
one? I am. Yeah, fine. >> We Bill. >> Yes. >> Okay. I am so that we are all agreeing. >> We've got the next one is
>> Did you do you did both of those Graanby Liquor and Stack Cart? >> No, I guess I I didn't see that. >> That's next to uh the Verizon store in the Dunkin Donut Plaza. That little convenience store.
>> Oh, okay. That That's the one that used to be Bumpy's Place. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> They've got >> And is that that's a renewal, too, Colleen? >> That's a renewal. Mhm. Yeah. >> So, are we okay with that one? >> Yes,
>> Lee. >> Yes. Yes. Thank you. >> And I am too, Colleen. So, they're both done. >> Okay. >> Next one is a food temporary food license for Immaculate Heart of Mary Men and Women's Club. It's a
one-day permit for November 1st, the craft fair. Um, if we approve this one or when we approve it, Colleen, this would one for sure that you have to talk to these folks and and let them know.
>> I Yeah, I actually I did talk to um the lady over in the office there and she said that they do not have any food vendors that come to their events. They they make all the food. So, >> okay. So, we just have to make sure that they know that.
>> Yes, I will. >> I'm okay with this one, Bill and Lee. >> Yes, I'm good. >> Lee? >> Yep, that's fine. Yes, thank you. >> Okay, so that's approved, Colleen. >> Okay, >> the next one is this is at 218 Bachelor
Street. This one is is a a well a well permit and someplace else. I've got the abandonment too. >> Uh that was for 99 North Street. The Okay. >> I didn't get an abandonment um
application for 218 Bachelor. He didn't. He only brought in the well. The uh well >> do we I guess I guess we could approve this one because the location is the same the location that that we approve for Neil's
design. How do we So, we're we would say we're approving this, but let the owner know that he also needs an abandonment permit. In fact, maybe you'll let the the uh
the owner and Henshaw know that they need an abandonment and that the septic system can't go in. We're not going to be give the permit for the septic system until these two things are done.
So, are we gonna are we going to approve this? >> Neil, you're still here. >> Yes. Yeah. Just so you know, it's the the wells already staked out. So, >> Okay. But this one also requires the abandonment permit to go with this.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. And the the owner has to know that we're not going to let the septic system go in until this is done. >> Okay, that that's that's >> okay. >> Are we going to approve this that Lee and Phil? I I say yes.
>> Yes, that's fine. >> Yeah, I'm I'm good with that. >> Okay, so we're set with that. The next one >> is the Rambi Cubs and Boy Scouts and it says the this is Church of Christ.
It's it's interesting that that and it's a it is a one-day event. October 25th, noon to 2:00 p.m. It's an annual pig roast.
Who? I didn't look at this. I assumed that it was the Church of Christ doing this. Colleen, is this a a different group? This they are doing it at the Church of Christ and they have done I I don't think last
year, but they did they have done it in the past. It's um yeah, the Cub Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, I guess. Do they have the licensed people that are supervising this?
>> Yes. Well, he has uh he has taken the course and I think he was waiting on the results of his test, but he said if it didn't come back, he would have another licensed person. He did submit a license with it or certification for the serve
safe. >> Who Who was that that did that calling? What's his name? His name is um we just got the permit. I forget. I haven't talked to him before. A different person did it in the past, I think. Um
so this fellow was just getting his license. Uh let's see. James Guzman, >> does he live in Granby? >> And he's he's got to serve safe food.
Yes, he does. He's got the serve safe actually, but what he was doing was getting the manager's um exam done, but he has the serve safe because I have it right here. So, >> Dick, do these people need liability
insurance or No, >> we're not saying they do. >> We're not requiring it. We're not requiring it. >> Like I said, they've had it in the past. They have it at Church of Christ, but I think it's just a new fellow that's um
running it. Guess we do that. I guess when the like when Mike Pandora has stuff, he does things that that are not necessarily, you know, tied up with a
with the church itself. It may they may be doing stuff in the church or they do it out of at do frames, but I guess this is probably no different, huh? The question is who's in charge?
>> Well, that's what Colleen just said that the that I would say this is one for sure that Lynn has to inspect. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. She'll get the she'll Yes. I will give this to her to inspect.
Yeah. If they're going to do a rotisserie pig, they got to check temperatures and all that sort of thing, >> right? Someone's got to really know what they're doing. >> Yes. Mhm. [Music] Knowing serve safe doesn't necessarily
mean you can do a a lua. >> Yeah. The serve safe is like a level one based knowledge uh criterion. >> One really really does require Lynn to to take a good look at at it.
>> Oh yes. >> Okay. >> I'm okay with this. >> Yeah, that's fine. But again, it's subject to Lynn's uh review and approval on site. >> Yeah. And they of this group should definitely understand,
Colleen, that they can't be bringing in I I'm guessing that that having a pig being cooked over a a fire begs of saying, "Hey, what else are you going to be serving with this?" you
know, their their mac and cheese or whatever the sides are with this that don't end up getting cooked on a fire pit. >> Yeah. >> So, they should understand that that
>> they need to make all their food in that kitchen. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Okay. Yep. I will I will tell them that. Yep. >> How are you with this, Lee? >> Yeah, I'm good. As long as, as you and Bill pointed out, all of the base
parameters are dealt with. And I'm I'm hoping and guessing that this guy's already got this thing under control, but never heard to touch on a couple of points to eliminate um anything ridiculous happening later in
the day. Well, it is if you you just have to watch it that say that here you got an event that that's not an ongoing event. There was a break in it. You've got a new supervisor that's doing it on a new
event. It's just saying, "Wow, unless you're an expert at this, you could get a lot of people in a lot of trouble really quick." >> Oh, without question. Yeah, >> this one is a new one that just came in
that that uh this was also one of Neil's. This is for 99 North Street. This is at our last meeting we allowed Neil to to move the the well location and we we had
approved that. And this is the application for the the the well and it this is 99 North Street and it's also the application for the abandonment.
Are we okay with this? This this is as far as I can see the same thing that we just approved two weeks ago. >> I'm curious to correct there's a lot of trees on that lot. I'm guessing they're going to have to take a lot of pine trees down to put that leech field in.
>> This is This goes The leech field is right down at the road next to the driveway. >> Oh, okay. Oh, I see. They're putting the well out in the back way out back then. Okay. >> Yeah, that's fine. Everything's good.
>> Lee, are you okay with these? Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> We've got two title fives. One passed, one failed.
Both by the same guy. The 149 Pleasant Street was a fail. And the other was 16 Jennifer Drive. That was a pass. The the Jennifer drive one had a 1500gallon tank and plenty of space between the water
table and the bottom of the SAS. Are we okay with both of these? >> Yes, >> Bill. >> Yes, >> I am too. Colleen, >> is is Neil still uh still with us?
>> I am. Sorry. >> Yeah. >> Oh, so Neil um a question on Pleasant Street. Um, >> uh, do we know, um, because I asked the homeowner, but I didn't get an answer back. What type of
well is on that property? >> It's a shallow well. We have to locate that. It's in the It's in the front, but it's shallow, but we will get 100 ft. >> So, is it a point? >> That I don't know.
>> Okay. Well, we have Go ahead, Lee. >> No, no. If it is a point, then um we have to replace. >> What's the address? >> 149 Pleasant. >> Let me take a look.
>> That's on a hard pan that it's like a little drumlin right there. And I can't believe that Salow Welker worked there. I think there's gravel out in the front of the property and it's not the soil changes
>> because they had they had one small trench that's lasted 50 years so it hadn't been pretty good soil. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So maybe Neil maybe that that same stuff that might be the stand because
across the street from that is fan and if you go along you did perk tests on on Jim Trump Troky's property and coming right up at the corner that it runs out. >> Yeah, it changes. Yeah, it definitely changes
>> that spot. So maybe this is there's a little finger or something that sticks up there. That's gravel on the front side. Yeah. Yeah. It's not It's not gravel in the back. I mean, it's it's not horrible soil, but certainly not gravel.
>> The question will be, is the guy better off replacing that well right now and put it in the back? Although, these are little locks. I think the other systems are all in the back. So, maybe there's not room to put >> Yeah. No, the other system had the other
house to the north has a raise system in the back. So >> yeah, >> I don't think we can get a while back there. >> Yeah. >> So >> So the next one we have is a a complaint.
We're we're going to be hitting Winehouse. Maybe you should hang on for a second. >> Okay. the the uh 76 South Street drainage water near property that
what are we building? I don't know where 76 is. >> It's right on the corner, Dick. I looked at it the other day. It's um on the southeast quadrant of the east street
south street intersection and it's a pipe that runs beneath the highway between the road and it discharges in a swale right in the corner of that particular individual's lot. >> So I suspect person to talk to is I
think I'm gonna have to talk to David D. Roer about this. You know what? We'll see. You can talk to him, but I think he's gonna say that's the natural drain from that area. >> That's exactly what he's going to say. That's exactly what is because again, I
remember working in that area. And if you if you look going down South Street on the left after the intersection, there's a row of trees and that's a wetland. That's a wetland there. There's a wetland there, Dick. And the wetland is
fed by that pipe crossing South Street. But again, that's the >> that's the water coming off the hill. What do they expect? >> That's where it's going to go. And you can't stop it. You can't plug up the pipe. >> Yeah. And I guess there's a new resident at 76 East and they're complaining about
it and that's just the way it is. >> That it's a wetland. They've got a house in a next to a wetland or in a wetland. >> That's exactly correct. That's right. They've got a if you look in the back there, they've got a mounded system. It's a it's a small lot with a wetland.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I guess you could talk to to Dave D. Roer, but >> I'll talk to Dave and and if if I have occasion, I'll go talk to the homeowner. I'll I'll knock on the door and talk to
the homeowner and discuss it with I'll talk to Dave first. We had a a question this Colleen moving to discussion. In fact, let's not let's I'm going to go out of sequence. Let's do the wine house
>> with the DP thing. I I gave some thought to this. This is their their commercial waste line that that on the on the wine producing building.
What what the state had said is it's okay to have those drains. Well, we never found out if they said okay because I know the state going to say no, it's not okay to drain into the in the groundwater without
with a with a commercial waste. But but it doesn't matter from the board of health standpoint that it seemed to me that it it after giving it some thought. My feeling is it's very
clear if Jim is right and that there's there's no waste that comes out of there. It's simple. You just plug up the drains and if if he wants to put a little sump in there that he he just has a pump in there and he pumps it into barrels and
brings it off site. It's all done. He doesn't have any discharge. If he's if he says, "No, I want to have drains on my floor and go out of the building into the ground," then it has to be into some kind of a treatment system that that But
if he's if he's right and he doesn't have any waste, plug the holes up and then there's no problem. No one's no one's after him to do anything. >> Oh. Oh. So, in his wine producing facility, he wants floor drains in the wine producing facility. Is that right?
>> That's what he he said. What happened is is Jim told me that he used the same drains that Dick Trogski used for his kennels. >> Ah, >> and that used to wash down just into floor drains and then into a dry well
>> on the side of the building. But we already know from digging around there the the water table is two feet, >> right? So this this thing is going into the into the water. But Jim also said he
says I don't make any waste. There's no problem. So and we talked on the last meeting and and he said oh the state said it's okay. I can do it. And then that we shouldn't fool around with that. We know
you can't put commercial waste into the groundwater. You can't do it. It doesn't matter what anybody says that you can't do it. So, so my feeling is we just tell Jim look at if you really don't have any waste, go to the end of that pipe, put
yourself a sump in there with a pump, pump it into the 55gallon drums and be done with it. Or if you want the the pipe to be there, put it into a pump a chamber outside and pump it pump it up into the new system.
I don't know what, Bill and Lee, what are your thoughts? >> Well, I'm guessing the waste is going to he's probably going to have a hose out there to hose down the equipment every once in a while. So, it's probably going to be wash water more than anything. >> Or if he needs to wash out the inside of
a tank or whatever he does, >> it's going to be it's going to be a convenience situation for washwater. That's right. But you're right. There's going to be some some uh grape skins in there and some seeds and some other material >> soap on the floor when you decide to to
wash the the the wine off the floor and make it clean and right. >> But again, if if he says, "Gee, this is only little stuff. I only do this a little bit." Then then just put a sump in there and and pump it into into drums and it's all done.
>> That makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's unlikely as you pointed out that the DP just said he can introduce it into the ground and not have to worry about it. >> Yeah. >> So, it's easy. It's not a actually it
becomes his choice if he maybe maybe he puts the sump and says, you know, I'm filling too many 55gallon drums. I want to put it into my system. Then he pumps it up to his system. >> Yeah. So, we just say no, it can't go into the ground that way.
>> And it's so if if there's no waste to speak of like like Jim is saying, then it's no problem. Then he he fills a 55gallon drum every two months and and that's it. Maybe trucks it up to his system.
So, it sounds like that's Colleen. It looks like we all agreed to that is that that Jim's choice that he just can't put it into the ground. Either plug it up so the pipe doesn't go out there anymore or or
tie it into the the new system. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, that's that's that one. >> The next the next one is
um the ADU and rental unit backup power that what what we talked about a while ago and I thought we closed on it but we maybe don't have it in our records is we talked about
people in Graanby that rent units to to live in dwelling units that they've got a responsib ability to give people sewage and and water. And to to
do that, they would need to a question would be do they do they also need to provide electricity for heat? But if if you look at someone that says I'm taking money
and I'm providing you with a place to live then in the past we said then you ought to be supplying them with the things they need to live which would be at the minimum the water and the sewage. The question
is does heat fit into that? It's a state requirement. >> Pardon? >> I don't know if electricity is a state requirement. It's a common sense requirement, but I don't recall seeing that in the state code that you need electricity.
>> We don't have to. We we can say that if someone says I've got wood for heat and there's there's the my toilet flushes into the into the ground. My septic
system works and I just I have public water. You know, if you were someone on New Level Road that says, "I don't have a pump for the sewage. I got water coming in. I've got sewage that goes out and
then the question is do and they say well I get my heat with a woodf fired boiler. So maybe that's what you just say is that if you rent a house you have to have you know three days worth of water the
capac the ability to I don't I'm choosing three days but a day or two days or three days of water sewage and and heat but it's definitely going show up on
these ADUs. >> Well, I'm I'm I'm thinking how we can get electricity put into that because think about it. This time of year, say in December, when it gets dark at 4:00 and it doesn't get light the next morning till 7:00,
someone's going to be living in the house for 15 hours with no lights. That's absurd. Lee, what is your thoughts? I'm It turns out that the electricity part is the thing that solves all the other problems. But
>> Right. >> Yeah. If you have a backup generator, then everything else goes away, >> right? >> Or solar panels with battery backup or just a battery backup system. >> So, here's the thing. Um because we had
this discussion I think with the folks over on u uh red >> fire, >> right? So, are we going to be able to successfully
force these people into a uh propane or other battery backup system to provide these creature comforts and, you know,
health necessities in the event of a power outage? And if we do that, do we then have to go backwards to all the ones that we have previously approved? >> Well, but how about all the other homes in town that don't have battery backup
or generator? We just go out, we just wait for the power to come back. >> Well, if you're renting, that's a different thing. You're taking someone's money and saying, "I'm providing you a with a place that's that's livable." >> South Hadley is is interested that I
happen to be talking to Josh Fugler and the way South Hadley is doing it is they just make every every dwelling unit has to have a yearly permit.
So you can't that that's the teeth that you put into the into the regulation and you say you need a permit to rent to rent the place. So once you do that then you say if you don't provide this other
stuff we don't give you the permit you need to do this to to do to get the permit and if for existing places you just I'm just saying I'm not saying saying that's what we do but you say okay this is going to be a threeyear for
existing things you have three years to come in compliance but on ADUs to say no that's part of the ADU that you have to have this provided. >> I can support that. An annual permit for
an ADU. But okay, but >> but how was that going to um um get us back to the original concept of um getting them, you know, light and heat
and having the the well work. Yeah, I think that's where you go back to what Bill is talking about that the question you you can move around
around it. But you could say, "Well, you don't need light because you could have a flashlight or you could but but in reality, you just about can't you can't provide for most places in
town, you can't provide the water without the electricity." >> Correct. So that that that bill could say I Bill your your statement
of it's our regulation. You could easily say you have to provide electricity, water, heat and sew it for and to let's say for three days
from from a thick a fixed electrical device. So you can't go and say, "Oh yeah, I'm going to put 50 gallons of gasoline in your cellar >> and I'll run over and start your generator up.
But but but um if we do go down this path, what about all the existing rental properties in town and the apartments and that little thing across from
Aries restaurant um you know what I mean? um in the back there. >> You just go you just go and pay. You guys are for existing businesses or existing rentals. You've got three years to come into compliance,
but starting any new things right now has to as part of the approval process has to have it. And the permit starts the first of this year. So as so as as the permits um are
um renewed through Colleen's office for these places if even ghost store office maybe the building inspector um they would have to get a copy of this
regulation and uh time to respond and know that in three years it's going to be um taken to a different level. >> Right. That's what I was think that's
what I was thinking. I don't I don't know how we do it but it's e on the aus it's easy. It's just that that's what just as much as your septic has to be up to snub this has to be too.
>> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And then you don't have someone coming in and say, "Hey, you rented me this place and my little kid doesn't have any heat or doesn't have any water to drink." >> Exactly.
Yeah. So my I guess we can the ADUs we can handle right away. we can why don't we think about it until the next meeting and and see the the goods and the bads and and Colleen if you could put that on
our next agenda also. >> Okay. >> So we we talk about the electric heat light or electric Yeah. electricity, heat, water, sewage,
and permits for rental units. What Josh told me is Bob Adley says, "I I can't believe they did it or they are doing it. Their permit is enough that they say they're going to go in and inspect every unit every year." >> Wow.
>> But that's that's seems insane to me. It does. It seems like something that they haven't thought through. >> Could you imagine having to inspect? Let's say you had a thousand units to inspect. You're going to have to have a full-time person just inspecting units.
>> How long has South Py been doing this or is this new territory for them? >> I think it's new territory for them. >> Okay. Maybe uh I mean could we call Sharon or whoever it is and get a copy of whatever they have proposed?
>> Um maybe you could do that. >> Okay. >> Just to get a punch list of what they think they're going to get and what they're going to end up with at the end of the day. You know, the other place that would be
kind of a neat thing to to ask is see if if Hadley Hadley in Northampton is doing anything like that. >> Oh, how about Amorest? >> Ammer? Sure. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, it would that be Well, maybe not.
I'm thinking of that shared services type of thing, whether or not they have some verbiage because they they're right in thick of it. if in fact you guys pointed out those three towns are are doing it or trying to do it.
>> You know the other a great resource to just give a call to Colleen is maybe Tom >> Quinland. Oh yes. He might know you know actually. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good idea. >> He's pretty knowledgeable.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh there another thing an item that did come up. I got called down to Tom Quinnland called me down to Gramby Liquor the last I think it's Saturday
and the fire department was there, he was there and there was a food truck set up there and something that that we should be aware of and and probably talk to the the both Tom and by the way we
have a new fire chief. >> Right. Heard. Right. >> And u seems like a knowledgeable, reasonable guy. And uh what Tom explained to me that they weren't sure whether the food truck had a license
from us, but they did. But Tom explained to me that food trucks also need the fire marshal to inspect them. And there's a zoning requirement on food
trucks and their locations. So when we when we give out a permit, we probably should be telling people that the our permit doesn't really let you it
lets you go someplace from a board of health standpoint, but it may not legally let you go wherever you want. So at on this particular case, the the the fire chief looked at it and he says,
"Yeah, it complies." And Tom said, "Well, we'll deal with this on after the weekend." So the the people stayed, I think, for the rest of Saturday. >> So they were cooking food in the parking
lot for the package store. Yes. It >> was it one of the food trucks that frequent other venues in town? >> They said that they they've only owned it since just before Charter Day. And this truck, I think it it was a name
like Max or something. >> And they pulled out their their folder. They had the the license. >> Oh, yeah. Mad Eats. >> Mad Eats. >> Mad. I saw that. I saw that on the email today. Yes. Yes.
>> Yeah. >> So that >> the question is when we grant a permit to a mobile food truck, is it sightsp specific or is it a roving operation? That's the question we have to decide.
>> We have not done sight specific. >> Oh, but maybe we have to maybe we have to do that. >> Yeah. Because if it's roving or they assume it's roving, they could operate anywhere in town at any time and just start
selling food products. The only person >> Well, that's what that's where the the >> gentleman with the ribs. The gentleman with the ribs does this. What's his name, Colleen? >> Um, >> the gentleman with the ribs,
>> but he was gonna go at Dickinson. >> That's right. Oh, the lady uh D's smoke and saver. Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> So, like you say, they could be rovers, but I think it's safer for them to be
fixed location. So, I don't know. >> But I think there are other cities that they that they kind of move around. So, so that's what happened to me. So it's there is definitely a zoning component to it and a fire department
component to it. So maybe maybe when we have Lynn do an inspection of one of these trucks, he makes them first get a a fire department sign off before
she go because indeed zoning is critical because they can't show up in your driveway, Dick, and operate. They can't show up in my driveway or Lee's driveway. >> That's right. Right. It just happened that he's in a commercial zone, so he's probably okay with the zoning there.
>> Yeah, but you're right. You wouldn't like it if they pulled up on your tree belt and said, "Okay, I'm on town line and I'm going to I'm going to sell food right in front of your house."
>> That's right. That's right. So, so anyway, that's our that's another one. In terms of approvals for the building and part department build, do you have a list of them that that you approved and
were okay? >> Well, I'm in the process of doing it. The only one I've done so far is 11 uh the 11 uh Griswald, but let's talk about the other ones. Yeah, let me let me just grab the other ones quickly here.
Take me a second to get back in because it seems like that probably the a way to do it would be kind of similar to the septics. You say, "Okay, this is what's happening here. It's in effect. I've looked at the the septic systems clear where there's no extra bedrooms.
They're all set, >> right? So, so here's here's the laundry list. I have 11 Sherwood. For some reason, this project is locked. They don't let you see anything on that one. Then you got 143 Carver. I think that's Alan Cau. It's his new uh project. He's
coming before conservation next meeting, Dick. So, I don't think he has anything. I don't think he's done a septic design yet for 143 Carver. >> 11 Griswall. We just approved that. Subject to Neil's letter. The next one
on this is the Cold Hill lot. The lot I guess seven. And we've already approved that one, right? >> Yeah. Those those new ones you shouldn't have to redo. Yeah. >> Because we've already we've already done them. It's the >> Yeah. So these these are all done.
>> But it's the it's the modification ones that that >> Well, here's the question. is who uploads these particular locations to the permit link. Does Tom
Quinnland do the uploading, Colleen? >> I I think so. Yes. And then >> they don't expect us to do the uploading, do they? >> No. He said we could if we had something we needed to upload for it, we could.
Okay. >> But no, we don't. We don't. that the stuff is on there. And >> yeah, I just wanted to know what the proper protocol is. Dick. >> Yeah, yours yours should just be something, Bill, that that said uh there's no bedrooms involved and the
construction doesn't doesn't uh end up interfering with the septic system. Actually, actually the only one I did make a comment on is 32 Bachelor where they're putting that porch behind the house on toward the Aldridge Lake. The
only comment I made there is they got to watch out for uh septic or well related infrastructure when they put the sonot tubes or their or their foundation in for their porch. That's all. >> So they don't they've got the layouts
enough so they know where stuff is. >> Well, that's the other question. Let me let me take a look. So you go to attachments. >> Yeah, they don't always have it in in the >> They don't have it. They for instance, what if there could go right through the middle of
septic? >> That's what I mean. I think we need a detailed site sketch from them and they >> Well, that's what you should be doing. That's what that's what you should be looking at and say, "Okay, this one's not a no-brainer. Someone's got to do a a detailed.
>> Okay. So, what I'll do then in the comment line, in the comment line, I'll put down applicant needs to provide uh site sketch showing Leechfield and and and well infrastructure lines. Okay.
>> Yeah, >> I see. I see where >> and some of them you're going to look and say it's a no-brainer. It doesn't matter. >> That's right. Okay. >> Yep. Okay. But on on systems that that the board is already like on on lot six and seven,
>> we you don't have to do anything. The board's already >> That's right. >> already done that one. Right. Right. >> So, it's going to be the this modification to the system type stuff or to the the building a structure. That's
the place that that kind of slips through, right? As it turns out, some of them are going to show up. Once you do it, you're going to say, "Whoa, this this one requires the conservation commission involvement."
>> Exactly. >> Which actually makes it so you're probably the right guy to be doing these. >> That makes sense. Okay. So, I'm going to save this comment. >> Okay, it's in there. >> If that's the case, are we ready to call
it quits for tonight? >> I think so. >> Just a quick question. Um, we had a email um tonight regarding um what the hell was it?
progress or lack of progress on Ken Lane. >> Oh, I saw that email. >> Apparently, Mrs. Percy uh contacted Chris's office without any success to try to get funding and she's kind of in
limbo because she has no funding to finance the project at this point. I clearly remember having that discussion during the meeting the Jeepers. Oh, it was back in the
>> maybe January, maybe February. >> And um if I'm not mistaken, and I'm just going off my failing memory, that Alan Weiss >> um had some contact information,
>> but anyway, I mean, I get it. >> Well, that's right. Yeah. Someone he knows or rel someone he knows. Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. But that being said, >> um you know, if you don't get one answer,
it doesn't mean that >> quit. >> Well, as as it stands, as it stands, this system doesn't seem to be going in in the near future. That's the problem. >> Well, that's kind of >> Do you guys want me I I've met Tammy Tammy Martin. Do you want me to get in
touch with This will be the first time Tammy's had a chance to do this. I explained to her that that this fund does exist. >> Do you want me to reach out to Tammy and see what it takes to to break the log jam and see if
>> Yeah, because it's going to have to be done sometime. >> Yeah, I'm gonna go meet her at some point as well. I have yet to meet her, but go ahead. Take care of that, Dick. That would be fabulous. >> I'll do that. I'll I'll give Tammy a a call. And you know, she's really busy
right now, but but this one would be a a good one because it it sounds like Miss Perthy has all that's needed to get the job, move it forward. So, okay, I'll do
>> Yeah, that's the impression I get that you're you're correct. She seems like uh she's got the design, it's approved. Um, everybody's ready to go. We just have to up the funding and move on this thing.
And >> right, >> Dick, while you're talking down, >> not to change the subject, but the issue with the potential loss of curbside pickup, Dick, have you heard anything from the select board?
No, but but I have not. But you know what? Chris Martin was the Let me was the guy that was doing that. >> So talk to Tammy about that, too. >> And that's what I'm going to do.
That would be the normal way that I would have done it in the past. So let me let me go in because the selectman aren't going to really know it. But but from a you know where the rubber meets the road, Chris Martin was the guy that did that.
So I'll do both of these. >> Good. >> I'll do both of it. >> Okay. If that's the case, then then I'll send us all off to bed. >> Okay, folks. Thank you so much. >> Good night, everybody. Thank you.
>> Good night, folks. Thank you all. Yeah. Bye. You, too.