[Music] So, we're late on the recording. Um so this one um
is lot one and so the area for the septic system is on as if you look at the lot facing basically facing the old chatau harmony it's toward right on the road and
towards the right looking towards the south the design is for a a 1500galon two compartment tank with an outlet filter. Three 3 foot by 45 ft by 6 in effective
sidewall printed. Uh it's not vented. 444 gallons a day provided versus 440 required. Fill is required. The reserve areas provided
between and adjacent to the trenches. Five foot water table separation ballast is not required for the septic tank. Filtration control is specified on this one. The septic tank and then the
wetlands location on this one is a is an issue. In fact, I didn't talk about issues. The on this one >> Dick, let me let me chime in on this. These are Bill Chaplain lots
>> and um we actually DP issued a superseding order about three years ago on this and I believe there were default there were default locations of the well and septic system on these and they're
very critically placed on the D approval. Neil, have you reviewed the D approval document on this? >> I have never seen a D. >> That's the thing, Dick. This is going to have to come back to conservation and probably go to D because they issued a superseding order. This is kind of
complicated. >> Both of these then given that bill, we can't we can't approve them until Neil has looked at that and make sure that that we comply then. >> Yeah. because I was hoping Neil would review the existing documentation of
which there is plenty and and do his septic design in conformance with what originally had been permitted through DP. So Neil, if you could talk to Dave Desa and he'll get you all that information. Okay. >> Okay. Good. Okay. Yeah.
>> Okay. Perfect. >> Thanks Dick. Thanks Neil. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. So neither one of these Colleen neither lot one nor lot two will be the board isn't taking action. >> Okay.
>> Pending Neil reviewing the the DP prior approval and making sure that >> that this his design is consistent with their approval. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> Okay. than than the the next one. Uh I don't know is Lynn I don't see Lynn DZ here. >> I'm here. >> Oh, you're the >> Hey, how are you?
>> How are you? >> Good. >> I'm okay. How are you? >> Good. So, we're gonna we're trying to keep everybody kind of on schedule today. So, okay. We're gonna give you your shot. Okay, I don't have much to say, so it
should be quick. The only thing I want to report is you um had asked me to do a pre- op on the grill next door, and I did that um I don't know, the 25th or whatever it was, a couple weeks ago, and essentially it basically it looks like they took like a food truck and put it
into like a little building, I guess. And as far as um or like as far as the food code is concerned, they have everything in place. But I just wanted to let you guys know that um that fire and I believe someone from the building department um or zoning or someone had
not done their inspections yet. So I was the first one to get there. I I like to go last, but I was first. So I'm not sure what is going to happen with that. But as far as what I saw, there's a few, you know, minor things that they have to fix, but other than that, they're they're good to go
>> on our end. >> Okay. I did have some some conversations with with residents about what happens, especially at the issue with the Church
of Christ and the having their their food events and not cooking their their foods and in and sanctioned kitchens. And I I did tell people that that uh we
were what we had decided about non-p potentially hazardous foods and having the labels and and to allow them to to continue to sell. I did have a
conversation with Brenda Knight who cooks stewed tomatoes and I said for sure Brenda food any kind of canned things with the the risk of bachulism is a potentially
hazardous food and Brenda asked that I and it's something for us is to talk about right now. There's two things. She said, "I am absolutely for next year that I'm absolutely
willing to have my kitchen and the whole her operation be a sanctioned inspected kitchen," she said. But for the stuff that it was interesting for the stuff that she was making, u she is the only one that makes it. And she said in the
past they've attempted to do her work at the the kitchen in at the church or at the the the parish center wherever the the kitchen is. And she said the people that came to help wanted to take shortcuts. And she says, "Oh, you can't
do that. You'll get people sick." So she understood very well that there there are potential problems. a question that I had with her with the the existing canned
tomatoes that she has. What happens if in fact she brings them there and doesn't sell them and just they give them to people? Is there any anything that if you don't sell it? Do do they
are they allowed to do that? They just give stuff away? I believe is I mean as far as a food code is concerned if it's not if you're not selling it um then it's fine. >> Yeah. >> I mean whatever for whatever you know
what I mean like as far as the food code is concerned. If you're not selling it then there's no obligation on our end but um >> that's but that's that's up to the board I guess. But as long as people know that what's
happening and you know what they're purchasing and it's just given out, then it's just given out. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> so I told her if that's if that's the way, you know, they wanted to handle it for this year, she said, "Oh, there's
already 10 or 19 or whatever it is." She goes, "I'm you know, a bunch of my stuff's already gone." And as I see that that if they if they don't sell it this year and then next year she's got a a
certified kitchen. But he definitely says that I'm the only one that that's capable of doing this. And so he understands very well that people can get sick by doing this wrong. >> Right.
Okay. >> So, anyway, that's >> So, okay. All right. So, okay. I'll keep an eye on that, >> please. >> So, are you done? >> Yeah, I'm done on my end. >> Okay.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you, Lyn. >> So, >> bye. Have a good night. Now, >> we're actually at Neil's Point and he was gonna have the owner of 49 Barton Street with us tonight. I don't know if
if Neil did that. >> Colleen talked to him and told him he was supposed to log in. Yeah, he came into the town annex uh because
generally I can't get a hold of him by phone and I sent him I told him I you know that the board would like him to come to the meeting and I sent him the link. Uh, but I don't I don't see him
here. So, I don't Yeah, >> we can maybe try to do that again. Uh, before we we go where? Let's see. It's We're 7:20. We're a little bit a little
bit ahead. Take a quick quick thing. I am I am going to be gone as it said that our last meeting. I'll be gone on the Sunday the 16th of November until
Thursday the 4th of December. Now we normally would be having meetings on the 18th which I won't be here of November and
also the 2nd of December. So, in terms of in terms of of what options we could have, the one that that I thought might be the best, but we have options of certainly having Bill and Lee
meeting when I'm not here. We've got the provision that that Lee is the the chair when that happens. Uh my suggestion
was that we we fit a meeting in at the end of next week. That would be so we would be a little bit early. that would that would be in place of the the meeting on the 18th and then we skip the
meeting on the 2nd and get back on our schedule on the 16th of December. But I'm hoping that we've also got a I think Colleen's got some vacation time
that's coming uh on the It looks like early in in December. So if we were to try to move it like to the
Monday or Tuesday after I got back, I think Colleen is not there during that time. >> Yeah, I know. Y >> So what are Bill and Lee? What? Certainly just saying we're going to stay on our normal schedule and then on
the 18th and the 2nd you guys just meet alone. That's that's an alternative too. You're it'd be a forum. >> I'm not hearing anything from Lee or >> Dick. It's No, it's immaterial to me. Whatever you guys want to do, I can
accommodate. >> Yeah, I'm good. Um I'm good both ways. If you want to do a a a Thursday the following week or something, um fine by me. >> That's fine, dude. >> Um
>> meet on Thursday the 13th. And then we skip we skipped the meeting on the second and then so we jump from Thursday the November 13th to Tuesday
December 16th. So we skip a meeting. >> Okay. And then if something happens, you guys can call them a separate meeting, Bill and and Lee. >> Yeah, there's an emergency. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah.
>> Okay, Colleen. So, that's what we'll do. >> Okay. >> Okay, that's done. The next the next one I do have a question for for this is on New Le. The two forlexes
on New Le. I did not I did re start reviewing them uh that that I got some questions that Bill and Lee that that I didn't do on my
own. But one is that when we did the the one I think at 8 8 West Creek, the forplex, the fee that we chose for the forplex was $200
per dwelling unit. So that that forplex had an $800 fee. This one has got there's two of those. What do we end up choosing for a fee on on this one?
>> How did we decide it's $200 per dwelling unit? Where did that come up? pardon me. >> How How did we determine $200 per dwelling unit for a fee? >> Well, that's where we did it. That's our
our standard fee for for a a house is $200. And at least when we did the when we did the one on on West Street, we said see that that we should do that for
for each one of those dwelling units. A question the question is, is it if you have two of them, is it that much more work to do two of them than it do one of them? But if they
were done separately, it's it's certainly a school, >> right? >> I think this one before we're done is when we talk about the other issues with this, I think this one there's a lot to
this that that there's little area. We're really close to the brook to Stony Brook. uh the system that's that provide that uh proposed is a is a I
think a long way away from what we're going to end up going with but but uh got a a front yard that apparently the engineer isn't saying it but he did a perk test that is clearly in an area
that that's two minutes soil with all fans in there but but the front yard has been filled with all sorts of junky stuff. And so he's just called it out. Oh, it's just it's just soil and it it has to all be dug out. And uh
>> Dick, is this 51-53 New Lelo Road? >> Yeah, it is. It's where the >> mass mapper. Okay. >> Yeah, it's right next to Stony Brook. just to the west of Stony Brook, the
northwest of New of at New Level Road, >> you know, my my confirmed Well, let's see if we can figure out what the C is >> Did you have a chance to look at the two forlexes? They're actually two other forplexes,
but they're a long time ago. There's a one that Ali Kyle block owned that's right near Bill on on South Street. >> And then there's and that was a big two big systems that went >> Walter Marquette designed that about 10
years ago I think or 20 years ago now. >> Yeah. >> Yes. And then there's >> Mhm. >> And then there's another two forplexes that are down almost as far as the uh
the apple barn, Dickinson's apple bar. >> That's right. That's right. >> I I did look at those and those both were older than when you instituted the fee for the multi-units.
So yes, they were just what you were um charging for the one dwelling. So I think it was in March of 2024 you up the you know to to cover each
dwelling. So >> in 2024 that was our policy that we did 200 per dwelling. >> Yes. Yep. So, in answer to your question, Bill, that's how we did it. >> So, the question is 51-53.
I trust there's going to be one septic system serving both of those units, correct? >> No, it's going to be two septic system. >> Oh, so it is twice as much work then. >> It is. >> Okay, there you go. So I I'd recommend then we opt for a
$400 fee four times 200 it would be $800 per unit. >> Okay. >> Right. leave. >> I mean, depending on the in depending on the installation, this could be a um a lot of partial
uh given the limited area to work in, this could be a lot of um repeating inspections as far as subgrade and partial installations going
forward. There's not room to put any spoils on the ground. The parking is very tight. Um the wetlands are close by. So, uh myself and possibly even, you
know, you guys are going to be we're going to be running back and forth frequently. Uh I fear to this location. Not because it scares me about going back and forth, but >> uh it's not going to they just don't have the room to stretch out and u do it
in a normal fashion. >> Yeah, that's a we may find out. >> We just go by our our policy that says it's 200 for dwelling units. So each one of these is an $800 fee.
>> Now, there's a lot behind this parcel. Uh, who owns that lot? Does this owner own that vacant lot? >> I don't believe so. This is a very limited space. >> I'm Okay. If they only own that front parcel, boy, that's a tiny That's a tiny
piece of land. Wow. Well, the the question that that I'll be getting back to to the engineer with is that that uh he's got it designed for only 220 gallons a day per
dwelling unit. He doesn't put our the extra 110 in. He's proposing an Elgen system which then reduces it again on size and then because we did the perk in the
junk soil instead of saying gee this is this is two minute soil with a bunch of junk that's got to be taken out. He's then asking for only a twoft separation uh for the water table and he hasn't
designed for anything in terms of nitrogen reduction >> but but there's public water there. I believe >> there is public water >> which is a good thing. >> Yeah. But in terms of what he does to
what that system does to the the brook is it's going right in that that brook right away. And the the uh the other is that he's all only called out for a a 2,000galon septic tank for each for each
unit. And the the code requires that it he does call for a two compartment, but the code says that the first compartment's got to be at least two days. So it's got to be 1,600 whatever.
And gallons on the first thing. So a 2,00 gallon doesn't do it. In fact, the the one on West Street because of that has a 2,000galon single compartment for the first tank followed by a thousandgalon
single compartment for the second. So there's a bunch of work that's got to be done. >> Are these two separate leech fields or a single leech field? >> Two. >> Okay. So each So each dwelling units designed at 440, correct?
each dwelling unit >> because if it's 880 if it's if it's 4 time 220 that's 880 >> right >> so it's 880 for the two buildings >> no each >> each building >> right >> oh so this this parcel has to take care
of uh like 1760 holy cow >> and that and on top of that what we're we require is an extra 110 on each one of those Yeah, but we can leave that. >> So, what he But you guys answered what
at least what I'm I've got to go through and and work with Paul and and see what we're we're going to end up with on that one. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, we've got a break. It's 7:35.
Uh so we have dealt with with Paul's question but we got I don't know if Jeremiah is I don't see Jeremiah here.
>> No, he's here. >> I'm here. >> He's here. >> Jeremiah, how are you? >> Good. How are you guys doing tonight? >> I'm well. And I think Lee and and Bill and Colleen are uh the reason we asked you to come
is that we had a complaint which is a a potentially serious complaint or well the complaint is serious but the consequences are potentially serious. and we looked at at
two issues with it and it appears it appears that one of your patrons went to get an ice cream and said gee my my this is according to the the
complaint my child has a peanut allergy and I want to be really careful that we're we're not in trouble and then the the child had ice and ended up having a reaction.
And that the complaint said that that uh there were two issues that one is that you didn't have anybody on site that was trained in allergens.
But the other is that when you dip your cones in the I'll call them sprinkles, but I'm not sure what what we call them, but that on the counter you've got one container that's that's got crushed
chocolate M&M's right next to another container that's got crushed peanut M&M's. So, we've got we've got some things we wanted to talk to you about is is one what the people that you have on site
and are they trained? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, to go on this order, I I mean, I found the slip in the computer. I was the one that took the order. I'm fully trained. She never told me she had an allergy. I have the slip right here.
I like She's the only marshmallow ice cream that we sold in the past month. It's definitely her. Um, her name is Donna. So, Donna is the mom. It sounds like it looks like Lori was the one that placed the order. I don't know if Loriy's like a babysitter or a nanny or
something. And Lori told Donna that she she placed the order with allergies, but they never told me they had an allergy. I've never had an issue in 20 years with an allergy. We have a customer that comes in every single day that has a allergy. We have to use our special. We have different equipment set up for
allergies. So, I don't know what happened. I'm pretty sure I'm 99% sure that she didn't tell me she had allergy. I would put it in the computer. I was the only one working that morning in the front. I was the one making it. I would have used precaution. You know, someone has and sprinkle allergy, which happens
all the time. We grab ones out of the shed that aren't contaminated. Same thing with M&M's or so on so forth. certain things like hot fudge, you know, we let them know that we don't have a backup of hot fudge. You got to take it or leave it.
And I was so I was definitely on site. Um, and you know, we always tell customers, you know, certain things we can't guarantee are peanut free or allergy free unless it's vanilla, chocolate, or twist. >> I I got a question. you have a thing in
place >> that it it doesn't matter that these things are next to each other because when someone says that you're you're got an allergy problem that you go to someplace else and say we're not going to work from that because we know it
could be mixed. >> Yeah, we do that. So So say someone orders sprinkles, we go to the shed and grab a backup of sprinkles that come out of the factory. Same thing with like, you know, Skittles, M&M's. >> Yeah, >> we do that. And we have special
equipment and special cups for allergies. This person just didn't tell us that they had an allergy. >> Dick, I got a question. Operational. Jeremiah, do you have a sign? Do you have signage in your establishment stating if if you have an allergy, please notify
the server? Do you have signage to that effect? >> Yes, we do. >> And we also have signarely visible to the patrons. Yeah, it's on all the menu boards. >> Dick, your your audio is cutting out. >> You >> and on on this order also that this lady
placed. She had a kitty maple walnut. So, I don't know if this kid ate that ice cream and like there's confusion from them, but they never told me they had allergy. They had a peanut they had allergy um a nut on their order. So, if they have some kid that's that allergic, they shouldn't be ordering any ice cream
with nuts in it. They clearly did >> from my standpoint. We found out that you in fact did have someone that that was has direct training. The second is you do have stuff that signage to that to say tell us about it. You got your
people trained to say when that happens you go to someplace else and don't mix it. and that you you are aware that that it is not a thing that that you're going to separate out in the place that that
normal sprinkles come from. You just say I'm not going to be dealing with that space because I can't guarantee it that you're going out to someplace else that you can guarantee and your people know it and that's what you do. >> Yeah, that is what we do.
So from my standpoint, those are those are the things that I would have asked if you didn't have it in place. I would have been asking and saying, "Gee, you should be doing this. Tell us what you're going to do to do that." And I'm
I'm happy to hear that. And and on top of that, you've got documentation that says, "I found this stuff and I'm in this case, you were the person that >> Yes. I was the person the order. You know, if it was a new worker, I'd be like, "Maybe they messed up." But I took
the order. I've never had an issue, you know, especially for something this severe like an allergy. You know, they never told me. >> Okay. Lee and Bill, what are your thoughts? Um yeah, I mean all the points were addressed
and um I'm very satisfied with um not the outcome but with the um recall of the chain of events. So it's over in my way of thinking at this point.
Okay. And if we don't if we can't make certain things at the restaurant, we tell them like we like like we only have one hot fudge pot. So we say, "Listen, we can't guarantee it. It's not free." And they either say, "Oh, go ahead." Or they say, "Don't worry about it." Or they say, "Don't put hot fudge on it."
>> You know, So, um, just for my own information, >> yeah, I can't hear Dick. >> Okay. >> How can um how how can hot fudge be a um an allergen? >> Dairy.
>> Yeah, Dick's adjusting his audio, but but Lee, I agree with Okay. or or penis can fall into it or anything could fall into it because we don't have a backup. That's how it could be an allergy. Same like just because it's there's no other backup. So that's all
there is. >> Just like sprinkles can't be really an allergy, but nuts can get into it. Stuff can fall. You know, people have dairy allergy. You put sprinkles on. >> Once you get going busy, things happen. I get it. I get it. >> Yep.
Lee, as you're saying, my opinion is Jeremiah acted appropriately for the situation. So, um I am satisfied with uh with his uh his action as well. >> Yes. Yeah. I I agree. Thank you.
>> Yeah. You've done what you're supposed to do. >> Thank you. >> And again, the signage is really really important for these folks. >> Yeah. It's on it's on the the big menu boards when they order. says it right there. If you have any allergy, good, >> let us know.
>> Good. Okay. Well, Dick's getting his uh audio situated. >> Okay. >> Here it's 7:45. >> Let me see. Can Can you hear me now? >> Can I can hear you now, Dick? Yeah, we're good. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. I was just saying that Jeremiah acted appropriately for the situation in my opinion. >> Good. So, it sounds like the three of us said that also. Okay, let let's uh we are
7:44. We've got 10 minutes before our our appointment at 7:55. Let's see if we can get through the minutes. We did accept the Colle Colleen's time sheet is a normal uh 70 hours time sheet. Are we okay with
that one? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Hello, Colleen. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Hello. >> Yes. >> Alan Weiss. How are you? >> Good. How are you, Alan? >> Good. Am I not down for 7:15? I've been listening.
>> Oh, you are. >> I am really sorry, Alan. >> That's okay. It's been very interesting dialogue. >> Okay. I skipped you. So, at 100 West Street, yes, >> we do have a >> I have a discussion because that's going
to come up. uh had a couple a couple questions. >> Sure. >> One is that I noticed um we haven't accepted the title five on that one yet. We haven't accepted title fives at all tonight, but that one is got some
shallow to to ledge some holes. I find it interesting that that the repair on that one was was on said that there is no water table issues on
it. You're not the one. This is I'm talking about Walter Marquette and the board. >> Yep. I understand. And uh interesting that Walther couldn't do a perk test because the soil was so wet from the
high water table. >> I saw >> that they had to take the soil and get it analyzed. Yet he says there's no water issue >> which yes >> seems inconsistent at the least.
and and uh judging from the hills that are there and on the and the shallow it looks like Walter dug one hole and said there's some soil there and yet some place on the title fives it
talk about a couple feet to the ledge and and uh we got a bad looks like a bad septic tank a bad I think a a that debox. Um, and I I actually heard scuttle
that says that there's there may be some intent to to either change this house or tear it down and reuse the septic system, get it fixed right now for this house and turn
the house into something very different. So, so I was I was going to say when it came time, Allan, to the the title five acceptance that this board say that we're not accepting that
as as as one that we're not we're going to say that the the SAS needs to be replaced. >> So, go ahead. And we haven't you haven't had the benefit of of Lee and and Bill
talking about this as the board hasn't talked about this. >> Are you asking me to go ahead or for them to go ahead? >> Yeah, you can you can go ahead. >> Okay. So, I think you know you've identified some of the problems here and that's why I said checked off the box
needs further evaluation. Um I will say that um I have seen situations where water is in especially in in fractured ledge
where the static high water table is very hard to figure out in the overburden and in this situation I did not see any oxides. I was there with Lee. We dug three deep holes on two of the sides of
the existing system and I did not see oxides over the ledge. Um but I could not get to a depth really below the existing leech field based on um the information we had on the depth
of the distribution box and suspected thickness of the leeching stone. So, I could not make that full determination, but yes, I had all the other information from when the system was put in. Um, but
you know, and my and of course, the owners would like to put a new septic tank in and distribution box. This was triggered by them wanting to addition on the back of the house. And so the septic tank would have to be moved out a little bit, but
not so not so much that it makes a difference because the lots only so big and the welloffs said it will probably remain almost the same. >> But that's about all I can offer here because I was restricted by the information presented
on that design. I' I've got a question. >> All that work we did that particular day for the inspection. >> Are we clear? Are we clear as to what the future number of bedrooms will be once this house is modified? >> Yeah, unchanged
>> naming. Which number is that? Three, four, five. >> Um, hold on. Let me pull up the report. Um, I know it's unchanged. Um, >> hold on. May May I speak the homeowner, Stephen Smith?
Oh. Oh, you're the homeowner, sir. >> I am, sir. >> Oh, yes, please. Yeah. Explain your intent, please. >> My intent is to put a 12-oot addition on the back of the house. Two bedrooms still. My wife and I live
here. We have no intent of selling. I I heard there was scuttlebutt. that we're going to turn it into something totally different and but no, we just want to rearrange the interior walls. We want to make the
house nicer. We've been here for >> eight years. >> Eight years. So, I recently retired. I said it would be nice to make the house a little larger. We could have >> a bigger kitchen.
>> A bigger kitchen. A nicer house. And that was that. >> Yeah, I can add to that. Yes, it's two-bedroom existing. It's a two-bedroom uh design, but it was a 440 flow. If that helps you, Bill.
>> Okay. So, the design flow in 2008 by Walt Marquette was 330 plus 110. >> Exactly. >> Okay. But Bill that the >> but the the lefield is sitting on a rock.
>> Yeah. I I reviewed the original or the design that was conducted in '08 and it said rock was at minus 7 ft. Al, you found that not to be true? >> I did not dig under the leech. I dug to
the south and to the uh west um and I did not find those depths. >> Okay. >> Possible it drops off. But >> is there going to change in uh the
amount of property in the back of the house? In other words, was there uh was there some land that was sold or uh property line moved um within the
last 10 12 years? Do does anybody know there's a there's a power uh uh bracket out the back behind some bushes. Is that correct? >> Looking at the house right now on Google
Earth. Yeah. To the east of the house, there's a uh there's the utility line, the high voltage utility line, >> but boy, that lot's a small lot. >> Yeah. I don't believe it's changed over the years.
I I don't know. I again, I came in here eight years ago. >> Yeah. Uh, you know, >> the easy thing is um, well, it's maybe not so easy, but the the obvious thing from this question is to get in and and
find out really whether there's certainly the the minimum of of 18 in under the the leak field that that you could you could look if if Allan couldn't find any models.
house. He's a he's a soil evaluator and Lee was there. So that if the if we've got the if the leak field hasn't failed and there's the more than 18 in
then that would I believe comply with our regulations as to whether the the the FAS needs to be replaced. I don't know where else I could dig without hurting the system and that's
why I I stopped where I did. So, >> well, if you've seen a spot that's near the edge of the leech field and it there wasn't 18 in underneath it, then we don't have to go. We know that there's not 18 in under the whole system and it
means that that the SAS has to be replaced as well. That's what our regulations say. >> We could try digging closer into the stone without trying to damage any of the piping. That's about all I could suggest to answer that question.
>> How close do you think you were, Alan? >> Uh, approximately 5 to 10 feet. >> Yeah. So, you're pretty close. We did not, I don't recall, see any leeching stone. We talked about it, but I don't believe we did.
I will say I just looked on the registry of deeds and in response to that question, and it looks like the plot reference goes back to a plan uh from 1988, just so you know.
>> For a long time. >> Mhm. can't see that. I I don't see the the the big issue that we've got a very clear regulation that says when we don't have that 18 in, we have to do something about it.
>> And when was that regulation put in? Um, it was we've been using it for more than a year, but it's been put in formally maybe six months ago that it's been
formalized. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, there could potentially be many more leech fields in Graanby, Massachusetts that are just like mine that don't meet your regulation. >> Absolutely. There'll be some. And we try
to catch them every time we c can to try to protect people's water and and health. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All the new ones in the last you can you can be pretty sure that in the last 50
years there's no new ones that have gone in like that. >> That was put in 2004 2005. >> Yeah. and it was a replacement and >> Yeah. >> And and the board did in the past really
bend on replacements. >> Yeah. >> It it it seems uh uh my my car that's 15 years old probably doesn't meet today's safety standards,
but I'm not replacing it. You know, that's the way I think about it. If it works fine, why would I want to touch it? >> We get into your neighbor's well and poison them, then you'd be saying, "Your neighbor wouldn't like it."
>> Well, I severely doubt that it's leaking into my neighbor's well. It worked here for many years. It hasn't doesn't show any signs of being damaged or having breakout or
>> in a case like this, you're right on the ledge. There's nice cracks in the ledge. Goes right down into the ledge. Doesn't get filtered. gets into the water table, move down and get, you know, potentially get somebody else without right >> without seeing.
>> And my guess is if you were >> if you were your neighbor, their neighbor and your neighbor said, you know, board of health, we just let this thing go. We said, you know what? No, >> he's been pollute, not him. That person's been polluting for 50 years.
Let's let it rip. And you they'd be mad and they'd be right. >> Right. I I understand what you're saying. I understand it. >> Well, we we are now at our time that that we've
said what I'd like to close on this one. I I don't understand why we would say we're not going to follow the regulations that we've published. I don't understand that. Bill and Lee, help me. Listen, I think I think we ought to have Al or another engineer or
sanitarian go in there, do some exploratory, see how much depth they have underneath the leechfield itself. Period. That's good. >> That 100% and and that if if Allan or
whoever gets hired goes in very very closely and said in this case we're for sure we know that the soil changes pretty quickly and we we know that somebody witnessed a 7 foot hole and part of this
property so that I think it's worthwhile to go in and say okay let's be really careful and go into the edge of this system without wrecking the system and see if we've got the 18 inches that we require.
And if we do, then it complies with what our regulation is. >> I recall. >> And if it doesn't, then we all say it doesn't comply. But but a little a little work here could save a big problem. It could it could push it aside
and say, "Okay, we're we're okay with this one." >> Yeah. I recall house number 104, which is a fairly new house. It's only been up what, 20, 25 years. I believe there's an outcrop in the front yard there at one time. In fact, there was a house in the front. They demoed the
house and built the house in the back. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They redid the What happened is they redid the septic system for that one before the house was demoed. >> But I remember there being an outcropping in the front yard there at one time. >> Yeah. So, it sounds like it sounds like
that that what we're telling the the owner that we're not going to in fact require the replacement of the the leechfield. What we're going to require is in fact, as what Allen
wrote down in his report, that further evaluation from the board of health. It's exactly what Allen says >> should be done, and that's what we're asking for. Yeah. Okay. >> So, let's get it done.
>> Yeah, I'm in agreement. Hopefully. >> Okay. So, that that looks like that that and it could turn out it could turn out fine. >> Yeah. Yes, it could. And when we're all done, no one will say, "Gee, we didn't know enough about
this and we made a decision based on something that that wasn't necessarily the facts." >> Yeah. Let's get the data. Let's >> Okay, now we're at We've got people that have been waiting now that we did get Allen out of the way, which I'm sorry
that we I missed. Uh so we can have George Finn is is sitting here. I see him waiting patiently and we're just a couple minutes late >> and we're gonna we're gonna ask you to
spend 15 minutes telling us what you wanted to do, George. And we've got we've got some people here from the rest of the town that that we've invited to listen to what you have to say. So, go ahead. >> Thank you very much. Thank you. Um would
you mind sharing the screen with me? I'm not sure I can do that. >> Oh. >> Uh, >> no. How do I do that? >> In the bottom there's a there's a there's a little green box with an arrow
up. It says share. Click on that. >> Okay. >> See if that works. this and then do I go to entire screen? >> I I think you have to enable them to
share though. Let me try it myself. Hold on. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it says sharing is not turned on. >> You're the host, Dick. You have to turn the sharing on. >> Okay. I just sent a request to to share.
>> Okay, >> I can allow it. Here it go. Just allowed it. >> And then George can hit share and it should work. There you go. >> Okay. Great. Very good. Very good. >> Great. >> Excellent.
>> All right. So, yes, good evening to you all. Thank you for giving me some time. Um, my name is George Fen. I'm with Local Power Based in in Williamsburg, north of you. Um, let me see. One moment.
>> Hey, George, we got your Zoom screen up, not not the presentation. >> There we go. Is that working? Can you see that? Is that changing? >> I've got a Zoom screen. >> Oh, you've only got a Zoom screen, >> George. Zoom. I could make you guys all get lost
>> because I've got I just have >> I've got uh six images. >> Let me see. I think I think um what's happened is we've shared um your screen,
Richard. Um so maybe if you un um if you unshare your screen, Richard. I should be >> Yeah, I'm gonna see. We could lose every make George the host. If you make George the host.
>> No, no, no. Let me see. >> Um, [Music] we have managed to uh >> That's dick screen. I've got on the top of my screen I have an option have Richard screen or George
Fen screen. When I go to Georgees and I get >> I got you. I'm clicking on George Finn's screen. >> Yeah, I think that >> that's how I got it. >> You know what? I think we should We're not prepared to do this. George, you're gonna have to talk us through it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah, I'll I'll do my best for
that then. Um see all right so um essentially we we are um we specialize historically in um I'm sorry I have to just figure one thing out real quick
>> George we know zero about you so you can >> tell us about your company you can tell us something about it instead of getting into the company. How long you've been in business? >> Absolutely. >> So, we have been in business for uh 30 years.
Um and mostly we've been focused in um energy. um specifically might have heard of municipal aggregation in in Massachusetts cities and towns as an option um to buy different power for um a
greater amount of renewable energy and this sort of thing. Um but mostly we've uh been in focus more recently been focused on carbon reduction. Um so shifting out um
large scale generation to like solar panels and um smallcale municipal programs. Um worked at a with a great number of different towns um Amoris Northampton Boston. Um we got involved
in waste about 5 years ago um because waste is a major cause of greenhouse gases. that was our sort of initial interest and then also learning that there are some public health concerns um around them. Um so the current options for waste are landfills and
municipal combusters. Um the troubles with those two uh are with landfills the limited lifespan and lee shades and um specifically PAS or forever chemicals
um which are in a lot of different consumer goods and go through the landfills and then are processed in wastewater treatment plants. And we found that this was um not a
functional system essentially. And um so we became very interested in finding a way to process waste which would process lee which would break down PAS and also um would provide an alternative
to incineration. The trouble with incineration being greenhouse gases, CO2, and then toxic air emissions, um, which you may have heard of in Pittsfield. There was one that was closed not too long ago. Um and
so our technology that we found um it's a company based in uh um California actually and it takes waste and converts it into hydrogen
and um and a car a variety of carbon products but specifically limestone. And I'm sorry I don't have the pictures because I have many pictures. But in any case, um the goal of this technology is to provide municipalities
with a cost competitive alternative that would be located in this region, would be able to break down forever chemicals, and then would be able to avoid the CO2 emissions of the current waste incineration, which is the alternative
to landfills. um and then essentially provide hydrogen and um limestone in this case um as uh commodities in the area. Um the technology is called uh thermal
gasification or paralysis which involves heating uh material but not um burning it essentially. And the benefit is that you can contain the um carbon dioxide the emissions much better. Um and then it also leads to
very high involves very high temperatures which have been found to um break down PAS. Um the technology comes in a variety of different scales. Currently, we are just
looking for municipalities to um essentially communicate interest in the the project, an alternative waste um option. And then that would allow us to find a site in
the area. Um develop a project assessment which would be a detailed about the process and then the economic viability. And then if the town is interested, then we would negotiate a contract and
involve the um current waste manager that you have um in that process in order to not disrupt um your system. The technology is relatively new. Um
paralysis has been recognized by Massachusetts for some decades now um as superior to waste combustion. There's actually been a long-standing moratorium on waste combustion with an exception for paralysis. Um but there are not many
facilities in the region. And then this particular version that we have which is converting it into hydrogen which is essentially a more specialized conversion paralysis generally and I'm sorry I haven't explained this already but involves the heating and separation
of the gas which is called sin gas. It's a more generic gas. We then take that sin gas and convert it to hydrogen. Um so that step is more unusual. It's an relatively unusual technology, but it will be financed by us and we
will go through an extensive regulatory process with mass D to make sure that it is um safe. So that should I hope um take away some doubt in that regard. Um and uh basically yeah there is not any financial requirement
that we were asking of you. um just essentially a letter of interest and I have it in this presentation. I'm sorry not to show you, but I could send you the presentation and you could see what that letter of interest looks like. Um which would then allow us to take the the next steps.
>> So I'll leave it at that. I'm sorry. I I guess >> I'm going to jump in there. >> Yes, please. >> And ask you to I'm I'm going to try to paraphrase what I think you said.
>> Okay. that that you would be in in our waist stream. You would be providing a the disposal end. You would be at the end of our waist stream that you would
be someone not not a company that that would be collecting our our waste or you would not be consolidating or separating, but you would be a receiver. So that that that waist stream if if I
were a driver of a of a waste management truck, we'll say who is collecting our our trash right now or or whatever wherever it comes from. You would be someplace that these trucks would go to
and dump it and it would be under whatever terms you wanted, separated or whatever. But but you would be the end the end person and you would replace the landfill the landfill or the
the the recycling uh waste or whatever you would you would replace those >> and and so in terms of I think Tammy is
is who's who manages our pound uh is sitting there listening and Tammy and I have talked that that we it's I think the last time you talked us to we said that we're at the the point where we're
evaluating what the town is going to do with our our waste >> and so so where you could fit in this this scheme you definitely would be at the end you wouldn't be the that person
that Tammy is saying, "Hey, I'm gonna call you George up and and you're going to give us the trucks that we need on a datab basis." That's not what you do. You are That's correct. >> Person that is saying, "Gee, Grandandy,
if you want to do something greener with your with your waist stream, we would like to be involved with that. We don't exist yet in terms of of having a facility, but we would like to build that facility and we're looking for
people who are willing to to pay us to to take their waist. >> Yeah. Now, I I got a couple questions for George, too. >> Am I reasonably correct in that, George? >> That's correct. That is that is reasonably. I the only exceptions I would say is that we would also take
sewage um not just um trash. Um and but other than that I would say it is it is quite a please please your questions. >> So go ahead. >> Yeah George the technology so you're heating up the the waste product but
you're not combusting it and you're running it over some sort of a catalyst. I'm I'm guessing >> um my understanding is it is just heating up um and that just essentially degrades the material um into
>> But you're extracting hydrogen and some other byproducts at the at the far end of the process. >> Yes, there are different separation. Maybe it is a catalyst. Maybe that's a correct. >> Okay, it must be a Yeah, typically it's a catalyst when you heat stuff up prior to combust. So, and then so you're going
to collect the hydrogen and that's going to be a marketable product going forward. >> That's the idea. Yeah. >> Okay. Now, has and I think you alluded to the fact this process has not been permitted through D as of yet.
>> No. No. It would it would go through a three-year um permitting process. >> Um that would involve a site that we'd identify and then for that site and for that technology. >> Okay. and and this site would be in this part of the state, the western part of the state.
>> That's the idea. Um that this the technology that we have at least as we're envisioning it, it could be larger, but would be twons per day or 48. So it would be a number of municipalities. >> Um but not something huge. So, so Dick,
like you were saying, Dick, waste management would instead of taking it to their landfill, putting it on their trains, sending it out to Oklahoma, wherever they send it these days, >> Exactly. >> they would send some of their waste product toward to George and David's
company. >> The question somebody's going to ask that with all these little faces that I have in front of me, actually, I don't have many faces. I only have four or five faces, but I've got a lot of little names. Somebody's going to say
>> two important ones. >> Yeah. Someone Someone is going to say, you know, for just rough talking purposes, what is it? What does it save us by going what's the potential savings that
when you start talking about 24 tons a day? That's that's tiny amounts of of waste. But just what's the other than for the goodness and it's not that's not a bad reason to do it for for what it
does for the world but but in terms of the immediate gratification that the town's people would get what kind of money is it more expensive is it less expensive what >> the idea um is that it would be we it
would meet or beat the current rates Um so we wouldn't we wouldn't be expecting any higher um tipping fees from you. Um in terms of a benefit um one is that the capacity for landfills
um in state and out of state um is limited and from the reports that I've read by the state by mass D or its contractors um it will likely decrease
um that there's a kind of crisis um and so I would say that creating a local option for you would likely stabilize your prices. >> You know, there's one there's one issue, Dick, and and George, is that I think
when we get our budget number from Waste Management or USA, whoever the candidates are, it's for hall and dispose. >> And I don't think they break those numbers out. They don't give us a hall number and a dispose number. See, he you'd be you'd be taking over the
disposed number, >> but since they don't do a breakout, >> then you can get these unbalanced bids and you get some funny financials. So, you got to be very careful broken out system. >> We've mostly dealt with towns.
>> Oh, we've mostly >> that definitely we're going to have to work with with Tammy on, but we we also would would end up looking at at a riskreward
>> analysis on this thing that that the going down the and again it's not something to talk about tonight for sure it's not >> is because we certainly could go down a road that says hey we're going to commit to this and then find out it doesn't get
permitted that we we >> Bill you've been around I think I think Phil, you've been along to see Herkl. >> Yes. >> And uh I think you were around when we went through that and it it went that
the state went continued to actually get part industries that spend more and more and more and more money to do more analysis. And then finally when it was all done, >> they the state said, you know, now that we think about it, Holio is a lousy
place to do that. it doesn't matter what your study said, we're not going to let you do it. So, it's all gone. $50 million later or thereabouts, the the state says, you know, that was really a lousy idea.
>> The idea here is is that those decisions around contracting or anything binding for you would be very a long way down the line. Um once we've done a lot of um the began the permitting um
right now we just want to do studies essentially at this stage. Um so we're just seeking as I said letter of interest in the document which I could would have shown you it's you know says non-binding. It's just saying you know whatever wa amount of waste you have or
sewage that you have available we can now do a study of this area taking that amount of waste into account and decide whether it's economically fin feasible for us and then we can design a proposal which we would give to you and then that
would sort of initiate the next step which would be a memorandum of understanding and that would involve another period of study and then that would um lead to your decision whether or not to have a contract. So any anything binding on you would be a long way down the line and as I said all the
financing would be done by us. So you would not um be at risk in that respect. >> George, another question. Are you are you involved with any universities or think tanks as part of this project? >> Uh I don't believe so.
>> Okay. So this is a private corporation then or is this a public corporation? It's a private corporation. Okay. >> Um the the the owner of it um it's called waste h I would have shown you more about it but um he's involved in in
in waste conversion using paralysis for many years or decades um but this technology that he's found which essentially um is supposed to increase the hydrogen um production per feed stock or waste um is relatively new. Um
and to my understanding currently he's working on a prototype in India um and has been having good uh results but >> I'm gonna >> George I'm gonna tell you we are now running that it's 8:23 but I'm gonna
have one other question >> and it's one that that uh actually the few minutes that Tammy and I talked about about this if you if you look at the waist stream that you would be
taking, how how pure or how segregated does it does it have to be? Because it that does in fact as the town looks at its options of our current collection
doesn't separate waste very well. I'm sure someone would think they do, but it it it basically is a the standard limited recycled stuff paper. We have one week along with just mixed household
waste. So, we've got paper and then on one week that goes with it, another week we have basically bottles and plastics and aluminum and that's the other thing. So that that we only end up with three
streams. How how clean would we or you know how much how homogeneous those streams have to be for you to take? >> Not very uh homogeneous. Um
the the original technology I think used paper and plastic is not a problem. Um, so it it should be quite um tolerant. Um, >> like you said before, I'm sure George, you know, it'll it will take it will
take pretty much everything and then separate it down. You can end up with with a residual that's met that's metal and carbon and you and limestone, but it also takes sewage, wet sewage, >> dehydrated sewage. Yes,
>> dehydrated sewage. Right. >> Yeah. We don't have any of it. So that our our sewage goes off site and the limited area that >> South Hadley is that right? >> Yeah. South Hadley. >> But my my understand and that that would
be something down the line to figure out. But my understanding is that they do have a dehydrator. So that would make make that another option. But um >> but but just trash would be fine. But yeah, that's but but yeah, as as um David said, it's tolerant. Okay, I'm
gonna have to cut off the vision is to make to make >> David. David um they have to go now. >> Okay, go ahead. >> So we will let us talk about it. We've got some >> Okay, >> some very interesting people that listen to
us tonight. >> Okay. >> And let's see where where it goes and we can get back. You can you can send the forms and George. >> Yeah, I'll send I'll send the presentation along. Okay. >> And where should I send that, please? >> Why don't you send it to the the board of health? If you call
>> Colleen information. >> Okay, >> I'll do that. Thank you. >> Thank you. Good night. >> Thank you, folks. Good to meet both of you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Let us go through
Bill and and Lee. Let's see if we can finish up the rest of our the business that we have. We've got money turnover is the total is 1,150
from that 950 of board of health permits, 50 of board of health licenses, 150 board of health fees. That that is it totaling 1,150 to the to the treasurer. We okay with that? Yeah, I'm
good with that. >> Okay, the next one is we have a a bill. This is Lynn's bill and she has got uh let's see, she has got 19 inspections
at totaling 1,630. So that's under the the $100 in inspection that that we had budgeted and she has them they're all listed and depending on whether she had to do the
forms and some are 70 some are 100 but it it totals 1,630 and it covers the periods of looks like um the earliest one is is July 11th the Latest one is November
1st. Are we okay with those? >> Yes. >> Yes, >> I am too. Calling that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next one is uh a license for a one-day temporary
food permit for the Church of Christ. And it is for the Jingle Bell Bazaar on December 6. Are we okay with this one? >> Yes, >> I am too, Colleen. So, that's approved.
>> Okay. >> The next one is an application for a well construction permit. It's for Cushing and Suns. It is at Latin One West Street and Graanby.
This is going to have to be uh not acted upon. And I've got another one that is lot two. We can't act on these because these are the the two septic designs that we turn back to Neil
to to uh look at how the the state >> Yeah. Yeah. >> peritted. >> So that these can't be acted upon tonight. >> That's correct. Yeah. because the part of the D uh approval on the wetlands end were a very precise location of both of
those wells. So I hope Neil gets a hold of that other documentation and uh >> reacts according. >> So those will not be acted on tonight. I have another one a lot five Harvard
street and Graanby it is for look >> that's Katawitz isn't it? Looks like cushing and sun know what it's not. Colleen I can't
I can't read it. Look that is like it's Cushing. >> It's Cushing. >> Okay. And that one >> that one is located on It is on on Carver Street. It is a well
that Allan H. It doesn't. It may not be. I can't see who did this design. It's an >> approved design. It I guess it maybe it's Neil Jackson's design. I'm trying
to see it. We approved it. >> It is a Neil It's a Neil Jackson. That was that was a design by Neil that was just approved um uh yeah just approved because the plan was
done on October 11th. So I think it was the last meeting that was approved. >> Yeah. And we approved this and it's got the well located and we approved the the design of the septic including the location of the well and he's just asking to put the well in that spot. Are
we okay with that? should be fine. >> Yeah. >> Bill, are you okay with it? >> Yeah, I'm good. >> I am too, Colleen. So, that's approved. >> Mhm. >> So, that's our the ne that's what we've got to be
signed >> the title five inspection reports, but they're actually this one says there are two, but they're actually three. One is the new one that was 87 Morgan Street
and that was a pass. That was a that's at the house that that the barn in the back burned. >> Yeah. Ton's old house. Yeah. >> Tons. And it's a that one was a 1500gallon tank and and plenty of water
table separation. Lee, are we okay with that one? >> Yes, that's fine. Thank you. >> Okay. The the next one that's that Colleen, you sent out and it was on to to be looked at.
>> That was 84 Bachelor Street. >> Oh, yeah. Mhm. >> That was on up for discussion. That one was listed as a path. I had a problem with that one. that that house. If
you're on Bachelor Street coming from Ammerst Street, just as you hit Porter Street and take a right, this house is right on the corner on the south side of the road. There's a a
Bachelor Brook comes up to the back of it. There's a little stream that runs right through this property. the stream is about I'm going to get a a foot below the the grade on much of the property.
Um what the inspector said is that they looked at the the septic tank. Someone dug a hole for the septic tank that was eight feet deep, but the top of the the building sewer is five feet below the
grade. and that that's in in a high area. And if you look, the property drops off and it goes down into what I can tell it's in the these the two and there two leech
pits. So, they're lower than the tank. And it appears that they're down or close to the area where that water table is is probably 2 feet below the ground at that area. So, it certainly would
appear to me that these septic these leech pits are underwater. >> Nick, that's 163 bachelor. >> No, this is this is 84. >> 84. Let me >> 84. >> Let me look here.
84. >> So, that would require a deep hole for sure. >> Yeah. Where the where the leak fields are where the >> Yeah. Yeah. stream stream runs right through their yard. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep.
>> So, it would need deep hole at the at the leash pitch. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Well, that one requires Colleen. Could you get back to to uh the
Bob Norman and and let him know? I'm not I'm not exactly sure whether Bob Norman is doing these on his own. It looks like it it looks like the stamp is the Neil Jackson >> I think he's doing them on behalf of J&P
Engineering. >> Yeah, I think so. >> So, he's doing them as an employee of Neil. >> Yeah. So, I guess you have to get back to Neil then and say that this one was isn't
accepted. And in fact, I'm not sure when Lee when you went out, I'm not sure you had all the information about where the system is, where, you know, what it's comprised of. It looks like, you know, you go out and look at it and Tom is looking at something and then he fills
in the rest of the stuff afterwards. Yeah, we were looking at component um structure. >> Yeah. >> And um that's pretty much it. And there was a brief
discussion about water table and um there was some topic about um there was data on file, but I don't know that there really is. Yeah.
So, are we we're going to tell that we just have to get some holes dug out there to make sure that the >> the bottom of the >> the leash pit is is 18 in above. >> Correct.
>> I guess it's kind of kind of the same thing as the the one at at West Street. >> Yeah. Yes. We've got uh let's see pick up my agenda. We've got
the next one is the four 14 West Street renovations. That's the school. I'm from what I'm I'm gathering as as we've watched this project
seem to be unfolding or what we read about and we've talked about saying how come we're not involved. Apparently, we were supposed to be involved
and uh we have to now be involved because we've got at at a minimum the septic systems are are systems that uh
if I if it's anything if the soils are anything like the soils that I've witnessed around there, they do not meet Title 5.
They uh from what I could see in the literature, it looks like the the newest system may be installed in 1972. Maybe. I'm not positive, but it seems
like like that. Uh there's some in the literature that we've been given to review. I can't see that the board of health has been involved at all on the evaluation of the septic systems, which they have
to be. Uh, the other is I remember when I first got on the board of health that Franny Dit telling me how horrible it was out there and that the reason that the the new
that the the 1950ish edition uh septic system was was no good because there was no soil out in the in the plane fields. And they they actually had to put a pump system that goes on the
other side of the the hill to the west of the the main property. I'm I'm guessing it's on a knob. I'm guessing it's probably not soil there either. The other that I can't see on the
drawings is the oldest section of the the school has toilets in it. And I see nothing any place that says where that sewage goes. And it looked if if I just looked at the
physical location, it looks like it probably would end up going near where the well is. So, so from that standpoint, the the as they move forward, they can't they just cannot move forward. The I can't see
that that Tom can give a building permit because this this requires requires an analysis of that of that septic system and we require that on title five inspections that the board of health be there. So, that's one thing.
They they I looked at I looked at other things that are are absolutely not addressed and that we've lived through what happens when systems don't have adequate ventilation
to protect people's health and a a system a modern safe health system should be having air changes. They should be for energy management. It should have heat exchangers to be taking
the energy back out of that air and it needs to be from a for a safety environment. It needs to be air handled engineered and I've seen nothing in this report
talking about it. The other is is I don't know Bill and and Lee that my third comment is that that I think does belong in the board of health area when no one else is doing something
about it is that the proper use of energy and emissions and and what what's happening to these buildings and their use of the buildings that it looks like there's nothing involved with this that I don't see
anything looking at energy conservation that that to to deal with insulation that may be insulation window type window replacement but also energy
sources we don't I don't see any of it they talk they talk about you know the boiler being replaced but I don't you if you Look, if you look at the the new well, it's not so new anymore, but if
you look at the public safety complex, if you look at the library and start and start looking at at solar or geothermal, and I don't see any of that stuff, and and somehow if somebody doesn't say,
"Hey, it's not it's not safe for the people of this town to have have this big building that some of it's a hundred years old or older that's using tons of energy and throwing out pollution into
the into the environment for I don't know 10 20 people whatever and say how can how can we not be speaking up and saying somebody's got to be looking at that and if it's if if it's not the
board of health then I'm not sure who's who's going to do it. But I think my view is it is a health concern. Tom is >> but before Tom before you come in and Len before you come on why don't you
that's just my two cents worth but but Bill and and Lee that the purpose of of this meeting was not to resolve any of these issues but to say what is the board of health going to be saying to to
whoever that that's got some authority of moving this project forward. what what is the board of health going to be requiring to look at look at and and uh recognizing it's late but but that's not
the board of health's fault at this point. We should be looking at what we as three members feel. So, Bill and Lee, before anybody else has a shot at at talking, what are your thoughts? Well, >> am I getting
>> No, I agree. I agree, Dick. I I wish we had been involved from the get-go. I don't know why we had not been involved from the get-go. I think we bring a lot of expertise to the table, which would have assisted the building committee in
pursuing the project. It's a little late to get involved now, but I think it's not totally impossible to assist. Um, but Dick, you bring up very important points, wastewater and environmental control systems in the
building and energy systems. And we have Lynn here. I think Lynn's chair of the committee and I think Tom as building commissioner, have you have you reviewed any energy related systems for this project? At this time,
I' I've sat down with the engineer. There's a design professional involved and as far as the lighting, you know, the ventilation, um, energy, the windows, all that will have to meet the code. They have a design professional that'll all, you know, meet that. We haven't gotten specifics into all that but um that is
all going to be covered for you under the building code. I I have nothing to do with the septic but um that's why you know as they've noted all the windows going to be done you know all new system and it is separated from the old you know be the old section but the whole new section will be separated and I
believe from what I'm told it's going to majority of upgrades are done so it can take the capacity the you know the additional section if it was ever redone. So that will all be before that permit's issued um will all be taken care of as far as I have nothing to do
like I said with the septic but as far as all that >> saying the HVAC system is going to be taken care of in a professional manner by licensed engineers. Okay. >> Yes. All that you know including like said the windows UV value the anything with the energy anything you know
lighting all that will be taken care of you know under the building code and um the the people they're working with right down I I I know them. um worked on another project with the OPM that they have is is very good in my opinion. So um >> well I did see the Luminere schedule.
The Luminere schedule was very impressive. Let's I'll say that. But as Dick's saying the the wastewater again, Scuttlebutt says it's being pumped somewhere near the salt shed. Dick, is that your opinion? It's some It's someone up. I'm looking at a
>> at a aerial photo right now and there's a clearing near the salt shed. There's a clearing to the east. >> Is that where the leechfield is? >> Yes, >> Bill. One of the systems if you go on on Crescent Street. So if you leave Porter
Street, go on Cres Crescent Street and just before you go down the first big dip, you'll see a little spot on the left. More than My guess is it's rock. >> Yeah, I'm actually I'm actually looking
at that right now. Can you see that? >> Uh not not Well, but >> but anyway, we don't have to do it tonight. Yeah. It's just that we just have to say is it what is the board
saying that we want to look at and the question is what I read is that in the next week they're going to issue contracts to do stuff. So, so it sounds
it just sounds like as you said, Bill, it it probably says it doesn't matter. Uh then we're going to if if it doesn't matter and it's it's damn the torpedoes full
speed ahead. Then the board has to say is this important enough to us? From my standpoint, the septic is that that's just stuff that if you don't deal with, you start polluting water and you hurt towns people. And if it's been doing it
for a long time as we heard tonight, the board would say that doesn't make it right. It just means it was. And if if if we just say too bad, we're doing it. Then our board has to decide do we do we
to you know are we forced to take legal action to try to stop it. So so uh we're not at that point but but uh >> but so >> I'm happy that we're at this point.
>> Do we have any preliminary data that any firm has in fact visited the topic? um regarding the functionality of the current septic system or is it
just been uh left um alone for these last couple years? We don't do we have anything about that or not so much. Lynn, have you hired anyone to look at the septic system?
I wasn't sure if I could talk, so I was just listening. No, >> of course. No. Hello. Hi. How are you? >> Hi. Um, yes, we had engineers come in and and look at all those issues that you're talking about, Mr.
Bombadier. Um, the septic system was looked at originally when the building was going to be um the bigger project, not just the 11,000 square ft. The septic was looked at to to see if it could handle the
um amount of people coming in and out of that building. Now, the project has been brought down um to 11,000 square ft. And from what I understand after it was looked at and tested that it can indeed
um handle the amount of people coming in and out of the building. But I mean, our intention ask ask you has any member of since I know the answer already so I I should just ask
you the board take a very hands-on approach with this and we know that that that that area is very limited. Did any of your engineers
talk to any member of the board? Did they have the board witness the test? >> Um I don't think they did, but I um I do have the architect on he um he is on the screen as well as the OPM. So if either
of them can answer that question. Oh, Tim's coming on. >> Hi. >> Oh, um Tim Woodman with EDM Studio. I I unfortunately I believe you're right that we did not reach out um in terms of
the engineer when they reviewed it but um we cannot part of why we wanted to get on the agenda open the conversation here and figure out our steps forward is to rectify that issue.
Well, the the at least two of the issues and I know Tom talked about meeting code. We we dealt with the with the schools and during the the COVID problem.
uh dealt with the the town buildings and the state code don't really hadn't really come up to date with getting air changes that protect people
from that type of of contamination. And uh we did a lot of work with the schools and and uh actually got them to with air changes so that uh I think we
had virtually and and behavior changes. We had virtually no COVID transmission within the schools. So that it was a really good thing. But so so ventilation for us to protect the the people in the
buildings is a very very important thing and it's not necessarily the same ventilation that you use to to conserve energy unless it's designed to conserve energy. So that the for
instance these medical school ended up with with high air flows high high exchange rates but they didn't have the ability for energy reclamation. So it was a a very expensive way. The the uh high school very different. The high
school had very high recirculation rates with very low outside air rates. So, so for us looking at at the ventilation rather than just saying, gee, we've got
some some CO2 monitors and that's how we control air. And in fact, when you're controlling contamination and disease spread, controlling the CO2 is a horrible,
horrible way to control ventilation. And so that's really important to us. And we worked with we were working with with I was working particularly with Chris Martin to try to be controlling
the safety air quality safety for people involved. So that's that's a really important thing to us and and we'd like to be involved and it's in in our board's
case. We think it's it's more than energy management. So, we're going to start looking at five air changes an hour or something that that that uh those are those are high rates if they're not coupled with with heat
reclamation. So, that's the other. And I from Tom's standpoint in terms of energy use, I guess he's got a code that says we'll we'll meet code for energy. Yes, we're following the
>> uh Massachusetts stretch energy code. >> Yeah, Dick, we'll review that HBAC proposal by the design professional. That's all. We'll start reviewing that when it comes in. Yeah, we do. >> That certainly if if we
>> as a board saying we're going to try to take some of our town's money and make it so our town is safe safer for the rest of the people in the town. we'd be saying instead of just looking
at at the energy the state energy coach is this an opportunity for us to say let let's be doing something better than than that and and but again it may be the the horses may be out of the barn
and and and uh for sure that that understanding you going back to to the the sewage which hopefully will would well it's going to get to the sewer the sewers are going to have to be dealt
with that that uh it's as I said it's been a long time since I didn't say this but it has been a long time since I've been in that old building but those those toilets flush
that a hundred years ago and if If you look at the drawings that that we got, I didn't see any pipes that said that. So, there is a there is a pipe next to the next to the well that
I don't know if it's sewage, but uh but anyway, no, it sounds like our board our board is saying that we'd like to be looking at those those three things. that it's that uh I think that the what
the board is is said the three members of the board meeting and I think we all we feel the same way is that that we we are in a spot that we can help that we want to we we don't want to sit back
and say oh let's throw some rocks and and try to stop progress what what we've really would like to say is that that uh we've got a ton of experience on the board.
You know that that we're probably looking at I don't know what we have 110 years or something of of experience on the board. So that we've got a lot we've watched the town. We've watched
this site and and uh we're really really good at solving problems. Really good. And so we're we're very very anxious to try to help and do something that that
we can all say, "Wow, what a neat thing. Isn't that something that the town needed?" And we took this great opportunity and we all worked together and we got this done. So, so are those are those the three kinds
of things that we wanted to to look at, Bill and and Lee? So, so you're saying um HVAC ventilation systems, septic systems obviously, and >> the well.
>> Oh, the Yeah, the well >> and the whale. So, it's actually four. >> Yeah. and energy systems, but there's a little crossover with with Tom's department on the energy. So, we'll work together with Tom on that. And the town is the town is working
towards uh getting that public water supply put back into place, too. So, that's uh they're using that Mccclure that the town is contracting through. >> Okay. Hey, chief. How you doing? >> Good. How about you? >> Good. Very good. Kevin, >> it's great that you guys want to help
out. It's just again we we have a budget we have to live within too, you know, >> right? >> Um >> we can't we we can't we can't stay if if it's the wrong budget, it's the wrong budget, but we really can't be in a spot
that says, "Okay, guys, we're two weeks away from giving it. Sorry we didn't ask you now. Please keep your mouth shut." >> They didn't say that. >> That's not That's not fair. >> I didn't say that. >> I didn't say that at all. But I'm just saying, you know, there's uh we have we have engineers that have been working on
this and they're there the the ventilation system was I know Chris had mentioned that when we were working on the project to start with. I just think uh and you you I think everybody in town knows this project has been underdesigned. So it's to say that it's a big surprise. I don't buy that either.
You know, we got to we got to work together. This is a project the town needs. wrong project project isn't what the town needs. >> I didn't say that either. I'm just saying >> I'm just saying that you know to say that we like this is some big surprise.
Come on. That's that's not the case. This has been going on for like three years. All we have to do is if Kevin if don't want to throw stone but all you have to do all you have to
do one of one of you guys all you have to say is oh yeah we called them up for all I quite frankly I look at the town meeting and and say gee I see stuff get turned down and overrides get turned
down and and the project keeps going so I don't know where the because I really don't know where the project is, but at at this point from the board of health standpoint, how you don't have anybody from this board
that's on the committee and it so and and all I'm asking is did one of you got anybody on your committee? >> Anybody? >> So, Mr. Mama, I think I think you know with the um
we had gone to the select board several times over the past two years to inform them where the project was, what we were doing. We didn't really get any or I didn't get any um supervision telling me
that I needed to get the board of health involved until just recently, which is why I started sending the emails and and talking to Colleen to get you guys involved. And I'm sorry that it's so far into the project, but I I didn't really have any of that
direction from anybody until very recently. >> Right. and Chris Martin was involved in in actually exposing the septic system and looking into that a little bit. So, I I guess maybe we assumed that you guys were involved a little bit. I don't I
don't know. Like I said, I'm not trying to cast stones. I'm just trying to say that, you know, we yeah, we we we have a new town administrator now that's working with us as well, but Chris Chris was involved with exposing the septic system originally >> that and and the well um to get the well
reactivated. So assuming that there were things being done behind the scenes that I wasn't aware of, apparently that that wasn't getting done. If I were you guys, I would throw it right back in my face. In my face and
say, "Okay, you just said you wanted to help, not to hurt. Now, what are you going to do? You just open your Now you you're telling me. I'm telling you to tell me, Lyn, >> you open your mouth. Now, what are you going to do to help us out of this spot?
We're in the whole town is in this spot. Now, let's get us all out of it together." Okay. >> So, let's do that. >> There you go. >> So, the intention is >> Wait, I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. >> Tammy, you're muted. Oh, Tammy's here. Tammy has to unmute.
>> So, we ought to get >> Hi, Tammy. >> Hi, Tammy. How do we get this done? >> So, this is what I'm going to say. Obviously, I obviously started June 2nd, right? So, you know, Chris obviously had a lot to do with it. I think we honestly just need the board of health to obviously help with this and we would
like for you to help this project go forward. Um, with that being said, what steps do we need to do to go forward to bring the board of health on board with us? Um, I think that's where we have to go and that's what we have to do going forward. So, if you could tell us the steps that we need to take, I think it's
very important for the town for this project to go forward. So I would I would assume that everyone would be on the same page as as what I'm saying including >> I think that the the biggest thing that we can do right away that that the potential showstopper
is understanding the needs of the the system that can be really fast. Uh we have to get somebody out there. Look at we've got there an unknown about where the the
septic system is of the oldest building. We've got we don't understand what Bill pointed out. We've got the one that if you look at in the middle of the the athletic field, the one that's the pump that's there that Bill talked about that
goes over the top of the hill. And then they've got the one that that is the newest one, which is the 1972 one, I think. So that to get off of the the get out of the starting blocks there, we
have to get the engineer you're working with that that's got whatever his soil guy or girl is and with the board of health and get in and get the drawings, dig some holes, find out the biggest
thing is find out where the water table is and whether we've got ledge problems. So there are two big things that's that says they they are the potential goto stopper and if we get into trouble
there then we've got to get into the spot that that says how does the board end up working with your engineer to get if if those are problems you end up needing variances you end up needing specialized designs and variances.
>> So Mr. Yeah, I I I do know that that was done and I don't I don't know if Tim is still on, but I I know that >> we we dug uh we we saw the ledge. I don't know how far down it was, but um that was actually all done by the
engineers. And I think the end result here is we're hoping to actually sit with you guys and and show you all the stuff that has been done. Um, I I don't know what your questions are other than what I'm hearing right now, but um um Tim, are you >> Well, we can do that. We can you can get
that data and let let's look at it and see maybe maybe all that work is has been done and uh >> not the data. Let's look at the data, Lyn. That's all >> we'll look at. We'll look at the data. That's the first
>> and the fact that it it was done the uh again >> you know traditionally traditionally health your engineer >> it should not surprise your engineer >> that the board of health would have
wanted to be have a witness there that should not surprise them >> that's right that's why I'm curious that's exact that's the odd thing the board of health typically is a witness to these events But don't be it. We are we are where we
are. Let's look at the data and if if we are looking at the data. If the board says that's just not enough data or the right data, let's find out what we need to do. That's over. It's the kind of thing that someone hires a backhoe. We
get the the all of these things are fast to put together. It's not like things that say, "Oh, it's going to take a month for someone to do this." It's a thing that says in two days can we do that? That's the kind of thing that so so digging up that's the number one data that we should be
looking at right now. The rest of the stuff we talked about air changes, energy, that's all can be handled at at whatever the design part is that we can we can look at. We would like to be a
part of that. But right now for sure the septic system and the well stuff are the thing those two systems are critical to get done. And since it's getting cold, it's important to get them done now. It's it's way easier to get it done. And
if and for sure if if if we need if there's a $100,000 needed to replace septic systems and we should know that now. Because I noticed in the report, the report says, "Oh, that may need to be
done." Well, you have to find out if it needs to be done because it's a big it's a big expensive thing or it can be. So, why why don't we do that first? >> So, have you seen a report or not? >> No. >> Well, you just said
>> Well, we've we've seen what Lynn has sent out to us, which is pretty superficial. It does. Bill says it's got certainly got lights listed and it it's got switches listed, but in terms of of those
>> Yeah, Kevin, we need the detailed soils report. We need the very detailed nitty-gritty report. >> Okay. Well, just the way just the way Dick was talking, he was saying that, you know, he something about superficial and maybe it needs something. So, I didn't know if there was a report that you'd already >> No, no. I think I think we reviewed we
reviewed the summary. It was like an executive summary that we reviewed, Kevin. We need the detailed nitty-gritty technical details. >> All right. >> The soil is You want to know what the soil is? We got to do the soil testing. >> Yes. Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah. There there should be soil logs
and where the holes were dug compared to where the the leash fields are. The company probably has some some drawings of what the what the tanks and the bleachers. probably. I'm guessing there are some some designs around.
>> I believe >> I don't I don't think they're in the board of health office. I don't think so. >> I believe we have something and I believe Highwayed dig some of those holes back. >> They did. >> We can even ask Dave and see if he has anything as well. I can check with him tomorrow. >> I know Dave was the one that did the
digging for us and found out how uh where the ledge started. >> Uh but Uh uh who was the firm that uh was the engineering firm? Do you have any uh recollection of that? >> Uh was it Robert Hall?
>> No. >> Tim >> Gunllo. >> Oh, Glo. >> Oh, Vince Gunllo up in Williamstown. Okay, I know him. Okay. >> Able to do that? Who can who can dig that stuff up and get it to to us? That
you can either get it to Colleen and she can get it out to us. uh if you can get it electronically that that's fine and let so what we ought to do is understand what it is that we know from that stuff.
Is it good enough that some of it needs to be re redone or has to be done in a different way? Let's find that out and and def get it locked up and and get it off the list and and get it because those are the those again that's that's
the the one thing that you can't easily just design around to say, "Oh, we're going to change this or change that." there's there could be some some fair issue for just the just the fact as I said just
the fact that that system that's out in the middle of the field ended up having to be from what I could see from the drawings that you sent out that it appears that sometime in the past that system that's out like in the middle of
the playing field where that pump is. That system was abandoned because they couldn't even then with the old regulations, they couldn't fix it there. And that's why the the pump in the system was put over on the other side of
the hill. And that was a long time ago. So it it says there's there's a a good chance that we that there's something in here that's going to that is going to bite us. So So we should understand that. Um um Mr. Bombadier, you're not talking
about the um where the kitchen went out to. Are you? Because that system we knew wasn't working and we weren't. But we're not dealing with that system. >> Well, there's there's from the drawings again, the drawings that that you sent
out are the only ones that I have to to work on. >> So, the drawings, do you mean the site the site review plan drawings? >> I don't know what you call it. But the interesting building features on it, Dick.
>> There's a drawing. There are the set of documents that you sent out that has what, Bill? What did you have? It's got four drawings, five drawings. >> It had It had an existing leech field that was abandoned right behind the
building in the field in the ball field. And then it had a line going to the northwest or I should say maybe the 10:00 position on the >> south that you were talking about >> unknown location and I think
>> so that's one and then there's another one the there's another one that goes now that one you're talking about Bill on that drawing you sent out Lyn says there's something in there that that was
abandoned that had failed the septic the leech field failed and that's when they put the pump in from what I can see when they put the pump in and then went over towards the salt shed. But then there's the other one that that I believe says
that it was put in in 1972. >> That's right. And that's the one that I think I think the kitchen went to, but it may not have been because there's also and I don't know where they went, but there's there's
maybe Does the new building only have one set of toilets the up at the top of the stairs? I think that may be it. But but there were there were toilets there that I I think those that drawing shows
those toilets going to the cafeteria waste and I don't know that. So that that but that area that area of the property that that whole area in the front and to the west so so along West
Street that all whole area is all almost all ledge right up near the surface. So so more than likely that that leech field doesn't have an ability to to work not not legally. So, so that's why when you
look at at what's been done around there, there's a good a good chance that says, "Woo, there's a there's a problem that we're going to have to work around." But I'm guessing I'm guessing what you end up you could end up with something that says, "Gee, you're going to have to
have a a system that that controls nitrogen and that ends up being raised up with pumps." That's what I'm guessing. and that the board of health is going to have to say, "Okay, we're going to give variances for for separation between ledge and we're going
to have to that but we're just going to have to work with it and get it and get it done. Let's get it defined." So, if you can you can find it out. We can't you know, ordinarily I'd say, "Oh, let's go in the board of health files." But but even in 1972 there was no board
of health. I think that that's probably might be maybe board of health was around then but it was the board of selectman that were that was a board of health that did that at that time. So
it's some place in there that that and and for sure that early board of health was not a very sophisticated board of health and the rules weren't very defined at that point. So, who can who can do that? Len, if
you're you're the chair. Okay, let talk. >> I'm sorry. Did somebody mention earlier in the conversation that uh they did in fact run a test for functionality or was I
hearing something? I I believe we had because I I recall we had run um water through bathrooms uh bathroom fixtures to verify which system was going to which. So, I'm going to reach out to
Gunlo and and try to get as much of the data as I can from them from when that was done. And Lynn uh will tag team it between that and what we have from the um uh highway department.
So, so what possibly occurred was that there was somebody running water and there was another person or two at the uh >> at the other end >> right who was witnessing
uh the pump cycle and having the water um at that location we think >> yes in order to verify which bathrooms and which fixtures We're headed to which system >> exactly. Okay. All right. Well, thank
you very much, >> Dick. How many systems do you think exist for that part of the building? One system or two systems. >> It's unknown. >> I It's unknown. If I if I were to
if I were to guess, which is a lousy thing to do, but I would I would guess that the that the cafeteria had its own system that the that the toilet in the I'll
call it the new the new whatever the the 1970s early 70s thing maybe had maybe had its system. There is there are notes on the drawing which I that I remember Franny Dwit
talking to me about which is the one that that's the early 50s edition. That's the one that's out in the field with the pump. And I think that I think there may be
the other one that that goes for the the oldest the oldest foil, but I but I don't know I don't know where where those go. that that's the one that that I fear
has a if you look at the drawings that that Len did send out, you'll see there's a line that sticks out of the building right near the the well. >> It looks like the line that you see with
where the septics looks like that, but they don't know that. Oh, so we got we've got a little bit of work, but if we got if we got the data, let's and let's let's figure out can you give >> since we're focusing on I think we as I
said we should focus on this one. Um where what kind of time frame do you think we can do to to get get this to to go on? and we'll we'll have to I'd like to to not have it from my own
standpoint. I'd love to be involved, but I'm going to be gone from the 16th of November to the 4th of of December. So, I'm going to be gone for a little over two weeks. I'd love to get something done before that. >> Oh, we can we can get you this stuff in the next couple days. Good.
>> Yes, Tim. >> That's the goal. Okay. So, not what we'll have to do is make sure we we uh if you can send it out to us individually, we can't talk about it
without being open meeting law violations. So, that the three of us in fact because we only got two member three members on the board that any two of us can't talk. So other than if we're in a a meeting that's posted, what we
can do for sure, any one of us can talk to any one of you as long as you don't become a conduit that makes it so let's say Bill and I talk together by talking to you, Lyn, that that it's an open meeting law
violation, right? So, but but in terms of doing this quick stuff through, if we look at it and say, well, we we definitely need to to look at what's going on and we have to discuss it, then
it just means we got two days that we have to post it. That we'll we'll post it and we'll meet. We'll have a a special meeting. >> That'd be perfect. >> So, but but let's not let the things just go on. You heard that we're going to be skipping a meeting in right
>> in December anyways. >> No, time is definitely of the essence. So, we'll get it we'll get it to you. >> Let's Let's get this part of it. >> We'll work this out together. We'll work this out together. >> We can get We can get this done. The other stuff The other stuff Let's Let's
go and try to go through. I think the other is is going to be I'm guessing that that the ventilation systems aren't going to have the the right air changes and they're not going to have the right heat exchangers, but they're not
>> we have heat recovery system that we're using. I'll check in terms of heat exchangers. You said you wanted five an hour. That's what we were looking That's what we did did look for for the this
the newest newest ashray stuff is looking for five to six. >> Yeah, I know they are meeting Ashray 62.1 2019. >> Okay. So maybe we've already got it. But but in any event, >> I'll verify with the mechanical.
>> Yeah, that's that stuff's easy to to to do. It's not It shouldn't be really expensive. It's not a It shouldn't be big stuff to to do, but but it doesn't have to be it's not at this part of the project that that the
for sure doing this part. What's in the ground that's really important right now? >> Well, well, here's a question for Tim. Tim, do you have room above the ceiling below the roof deck for duct work? Is that easily obtainable? >> Yes. >> Oh, you do? Okay, good. That's good.
That's easy then. >> I think we can really really get through this. >> Yeah, >> we'll get it. >> Mr. Bagar, do you have any issue? Um, I sent you the consent order for the well. I sent all of you the consent order from the state to reactivate the well. So,
that is currently being worked on. We're waiting for the engineer to come in and do the testing. >> Yeah, they'll have to do that. The problem with the testing right now is that that you definitely need to understand what's going on with the
septic system to find out if if they're in the protected area. Like for instance, if that if the old the oldest system is within the protected area, we have to find that out. And the other is that doing well testing
uh that where you're worried about contamination from septic systems that haven't been used for years doesn't give you an idea of whether they're really going to get contaminated. >> I think the state may have looked at that though. >> Well, they may have. I'm just saying
from a practical standpoint, if you're worried that your septic system is getting into your well and you haven't used your septic system for five years, you can be pretty sure it's not in your well because you haven't used it for five years. But once you start using it, you certainly could find out it does.
But but it's not going to matter because at this point if we deal with a septic system, which we will, then we're not going to be in the spot. As long as you don't reactivate the septic systems, then the work you're doing on the wells
should be okay. >> Well, they they would they be looking at all of that as a public water supply anyway? >> No, they're not. They're going to do they're they'll be looking Well, they're going to be looking at what's inside the protected areas, but if we don't know what's in the protected area, but if we
don't know that, then they're not going to be involved with it. But it it's a pretty small radius. I looked at it. It looks like other than the one that I was afraid of is is the that I don't know anything about is the oldest
that one actually look it's not listed any place but it looks like it could be in that radius and no one >> the the pipe runs through it but the actual septic and leech field is falling outside based on the plan.
>> Yeah. Well, we're gonna that's what we're going to have to look at. But but again, if you don't if we don't activate any of this thing, it's not going to cause it won't cause any well problems because it's going to stay the way it is. We're going to make sure what we
have doesn't contaminate that. >> Correct. >> So, we could we should be okay with if by being smart right now, we should be okay. >> All right. Then what I'll do is I'll make sure that in the next couple days you get what you need
>> and we'll go from there. >> Good. Yeah. >> And as a committee as a committee we apologize. Like I said there was some miscommunication. We had Chris looking into it and thought maybe he was dealing with you guys. It was just you know >> we are where we are. >> All right. >> And if the if the goal is to to cause
all sorts of trouble then then we can try to cause all sorts of trouble. If the goal is to try to get this done and make sure we all end up with something that we're all happy that we're involved with and we helped get it done, then that's what we should do. And how we got
here, we can't do a single thing about it other than the the next time we all say, you know what, when it's bigger than we thought it was bigger, let's make sure we reach out and try to ask for help sooner on the next project. But right now, we're here. Let's get let's
get this one done. >> Awesome. We'll get it done. Don't worry. >> Great. Thanks. >> Okay. Thank you everybody. >> On another note quickly, Bill, the the radio project they're going to start putting working on stuff in the next week or two. >> Oh, good. So, you got ironed out with
Crown Castle. >> That part hasn't been ironed out yet. They're going to end up Sorry to interrupt the board of health, but they're going to uh doing a um uh system. They're gonna put modems in place until they can uh get the the the cell tower stuff straightened out.
>> Excellent. Cool. Very, very good. Excellent. >> Awesome, Chief. >> Thank you. Have a good night, everybody. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you for spending all this time with us. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Reminds me of Have a good night, everyone. >> Welcome. >> Thank you, folks.
>> Bye. Before we all leave, we've got >> I got about 4% on my uh battery has 8% remaining. >> Okay, >> got about one. >> We've done the We've done the meeting
schedule. We've got a Graby Bow and Gun Club information and versus outcome. Wait, Pauline, you sent that out to us, but I I don't see that there there's anything that we're supposed to be
doing. >> No, Lee asked me to put it on the agenda, so I did. Lee, what is your thought that >> um I I guess what I'd like to do, maybe I'll do it on my own if they'll let me, is contact the district attorney's
office to see what we can do to bring this thing into control um for everyone's benefit. Um Mike Propek's been putting up with this thing for years. He can't harvest wood on his adjoining property. the people at Bel
Dodgetown are having obviously ricochets um damage their houses. Um my goal I guess if I had my way would be to make it either a state-of-the-art
um range or close it down. It's that simple to me. It's not safe. It shouldn't uh be operating. The letter from the district attorney wasn't a very poppy kind of letter that
Colleen put out. No, it kind of made me feel kind of sad that the the people that are at least there that were, you know, out there, the the snipers and the people that are being trained to
protect us won't cooperate with with the state police to try to find out why people are houses are being shot. It's kind of a >> Well, that speaks volumes to to this
entire scenario, which in my way of thinking, if you can't get a Connecticut police department to turn their weapons in for ballistics comparison test, then why should the town of Graanby host
them or any other department to continue this activity? It's complete nonsense to me. >> If we take the lesson that we just asked the the committee >> working on the school that we just
talked about and apply it to us right now and reach out for help and try to get people involved >> instead of working really hard at trying to do something.
And is this a time, you know, I talked to Chris a long time ago now about do we do we want to throw the board of health
behind this? And at the time he said no, but let let the attorneys, the town managers deal with this thing. Is it a time for
us to be reaching out to to Brian and say, you know, you've you've got something in the town that a a gun range that
is likely not designed in accordance with with accepted standard that they that they've got weapons that are are still lethal. out at the the distance that these
houses are without seemingly without the protection to stop the bullet from going out there. Do we do we ask the attorney if he wants us to say this is that a health problem
and go after it? >> This is permitted by the board of selectment. to guess this whole operation. >> I don't know. But I I I look at this this committee that we just talked to and I I have no doubt these
people are working really hard, really hard at trying to get something done. And we were in a spot that that we could have helped and didn't know we they needed our help. didn't know enough about the project and
are we going to do exactly the same thing if we go out on our own get it? >> Good point. Good point. Yeah. the we is our first step should our first step be one to reach out
and and I don't know who to to reach out to that Tammy is is Chris's replacement but I I don't think she knows enough about it do we fact when I first talked to Tammy about it she didn't know about it
is it is it Brian that's the the person we should go to and and ask. >> Yeah. Or the district attorney's office in Springfield who may I'm guessing knows volumes about the regulatory
process um and maybe some basic um equipment andor um standards which uh we may not be meeting locally.
My question with the district attorney, I don't know how Bill you think about it, but but if there's there's stuff that's going on at a local level and we jump into the district attorney
that we may be really messing the work up at our level. >> Yep. I I think we ought to we ought to digest this report. I think we ought to think about this for a while before we do anything. Let's do some deep thinking
before we act. That's my opinion. Fine. Mine would be if we if we want to reach out and just tell Brian say we've got a copy of this stuff is is it the time that that the board of
health could be getting involved because if if I have to believe one way or the other it's going to end up with with legal battles with things that we don't have a budget for that that ends up it's
going be Tammy who's involved and through the attorney to to fight this battle. Do do we reach out to them and say, "Hey, if you guys are in the middle of it of it, we're we're concerned that this is happening
and we're concerned that the letter from the district attorney is saying it didn't move very far." I don't know. I I'm just I'm just asking what the what is as a board what the three of us think is the is the best way
to to try to reach out. >> Well, yeah, certainly. I mean, Bill's Bill's comment is is valid as you know, read the report over. Um, my comment to the district attorney was one of simply
disseminating information um to use to protect our uh town residents and our neighbors in Belertown um from this type of activity in the future
which as Mike Pochipek has pointed out it's been going on on his property for way too tomorrow. >> But yeah, let's let's kick it around. Read it. >> The question is the range currently open
for high power rifles? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> We don't know the status of that range right now. >> Again, that's where you'd >> I thought I read something in the paper that said they're shut down.
>> Oh, okay. See, we don't know. We gota we got to get the facts like anything else. We have to obtain facts before we start taking action. That's my >> Well, if that's I am more than happy I'm more than happy to let Lee be the guy
that calls up Brian and say, "Hey, just just as much as we're talking now and saying, what's the right way for this board to behave >> and to and to do it in a way that that hopefully he that
that Our own attorney is dealing with the district attorney. I hate to do in runs are I I usually get in trouble with them. >> Yeah. Yeah. Let let Brian be our mouthpiece. That makes a lot of sense. Dick,
>> you want to let we as long as you are are concerned. We all are concerned, but you seem to to be willing to to grab this. You want to talk to Brian and see what his thoughts are? Absolutely.
>> That's good. That's a good point. >> And I can report to the board at our next meeting. >> Yeah. >> And then we can and he can find out, you know, if he's got things that he's suggesting that we we do, then we can do it. But at least,
>> you know, as I said, I look at I look at that last group of good hardworking people who just didn't end up going in exactly the right way and didn't know they weren't going in the right way. And I I certainly know
right now I don't know the right way. >> Yeah. None of us do until uh we're down a dark alley. >> Yeah, I get it. >> That's why we Okay, so we'll do that. Yeah, do some thinking. Talk to Brian. See what Brian has to say to start with.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Now, I've I've got on the last next one down. We did our meeting schedule the I've got approval for the building there. Actually, there two different things we were supposed to do with with
that one. What Bill, do you have things that you've got for the building department that you've approved? I I just again I looked at 100 West Street. We discussed that tonight. I looked at uh
was another one we looked at. I think that was the only one that I acted on this week. Dick. >> Yeah. >> 11 Griswald. Colleen, we we looked at that a couple weeks ago. So that's completed. That one's >> I think that one's done. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And then there was one other one. Um, >> did you um did you do anything with 415 Bachelor or No. >> Yeah. Well, 415 Bachelor. I believe they've hired a consultant to investigate that at this time. So,
>> I got I got a call. In fact, the homeowner is is right is right with us. But I did get a call from that engineer today and he sent out a drawing. I don't know who got it, but there's a drawing
of the the drawing is is a one that that shows a significant increase in the size of the building. Got a I believe a twocar garage in the basement and then >> a room. Yeah. Yes.
>> And and one of the one of the on the the main floor there's a simply a great room and then I I believe it's called a a a video room or a TV
room or a movie room. And but the movie room is it's got a the engineer told me it's got a five-ft door going into that room. But the the room also has what
looks like it could be a very very nice walk-in closet. And it's definitely a bathroom that's got a shower and a tub and a double sink. And uh and the room that that certainly and
what the what the owner did tell me is that originally it was going to be a master bedroom suite. And when you look at it, it certainly looks like a master bedroom. >> Good evening, Mr. Bombadier. >> Yeah. How are you? >> I'm good. How are you? It's nice to see
you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for >> that's what you're not you weren't as I told your engineer said you weren't on our agenda but if he sent it in since we know our he's not going to be available for our next meeting. So I said you know
if you if you put the thing in we'd be we'd at least see if we could talk about it so you don't end up losing a month. >> Thank you very much for taking the extra time to review this and speak with me. Um, I saw that you just mentioned when
you reviewed our plans, you noticed that with the extra square footage over the garage, there's a bathroom and there might have been a concern for a bedroom, but we're actually using the extra square footage as just living area
because we already have enough bedrooms in our existing household. So, since we needed a garage, we figured we would use the additional living space as just a great room. We did we did add an extra bedroom just because there was going to be a little bit more of an elevation.
So, we figured, you know, the flow would be nicer, >> but there's no bedroom. >> Yeah. What we look at is whether it it has the potential to be another bedroom. and and uh
>> I don't >> your other engineer that talked to me and I talked to this engineer the same way about it is that that if it ends up being another bedroom we would be look first is you
have to check to see if your system is okay. That's that's what would would be the normal case in all of these. You have to to check and see that the tank's okay. Basically, it does a title file. Assuming it is, >> the engineer would be looking and
saying, "Gee, given the the the current the current loadings for septic systems, does it fit our the Graanby Board of Health regulations for the potential number of beds?" So if you put a pair of
French doors on that five foot opening that turns into a very beautiful bedroom suite, master bedroom suite. Anybody looking at it says that is a beautiful bedroom suite. And when I talked to your husbands about it
originally, he actually told me, he says, "I really like a boat, and unless I build a house with an addition with a nice master bedroom suite, I'll never be able to get my boat." So, I know that was in his mind, but when you look at
it, you say it looks like a beautiful thing. So, so anyways, >> that the normal way we would do that is we would say get that engineer to say, "Yep, the system works and then they say, "Yep, when I look at the way that
the thing was installed, it either has the I'm guessing that I'm I'm just guessing that it it is going to work that the system is pretty new and it it's going to >> Yeah. Now, now is the existing house three bedrooms currently, Miss Wright?
>> Yes, it is. My existing house is three bedrooms and the the additional space over the bedroom is is just meant to be a general living area kind of. >> But if you did call it the fourth bedroom, then the question is, was the
system originally designed for 440 gallons per day or more? That's the question. Well, it was >> our So, according to my original board of health approval when the house was built, I'm I'm holding it right now in
my hand. Um my design flow is um a total of 55 gallons per person for 50 gallons a day. >> 450. So, think it was designed as a three-bedroom house with the one >> threebedroom house. What what I call it
>> because I'm not because I'm not adding an extra bedroom, sir. >> But it's the potential the problem that we look at when I don't think anybody other than me got this drawing. So, they haven't seen it yet and we haven't talked about it yet. >> Okay.
>> But we typically would look and say, could that be turned into a bedroom? And I think the board is going to say yes. However, what I looked at is to say did in fact it have extra capacity even that to that when
they built it built it because lots of times they even put more than the 440 that was required. The other thing that I asked that engineer and I talked to this engineer that was >> that's me I'm on the call dick.
>> Okay. and that engineer. I said, "You know, if you instead looked and said, you know, let's go through and see what these people have in their house. It's a pretty new house. What if I looked and said, you know, they're they've got 1.2
gallon flushes. They've got showerheads that have already been knocked down to 3.2 gallons a minute. They got a new washing machine that's does 12 gallons a wash. their dishwasher is a pretty new washing machine. that all the things
that the the state says that we didn't base that 55 gallons per person or 110 gallons per bedroom on the board of health that you called and you said make sure you do that and add
another 110 gallons besides to come back to the board and said you know these people have already done all these things to reduce their flow >> right >> so that even though that the potential for a bedroom was more. They've done these other things that that that just
are way lower. When you guys ask for more than the 330 for that's required by the state for a a three-bedroom house, you got 440 or 450 or 460. Yeah. And on
top of that, they both already are water conserving people. So, this should be a no-brainer. We don't need to do anything with the sub. But that needs to be with the engineer. But it's not for the me to tell the engineer that's what our answers have to argue this. They have to
put an argument together to say, "Hey, board of health, don't make them do anything." >> No, Mr. Bum here. The building inspector just requested um the board of health um blessing approval that we can go forward with the building and that our septic
system is sufficient enough sufficient enough for our current which our current house which is just three bedrooms. That's that's >> but that's what you have to that's what the engineer has to come to the board of health. the board of health. >> We made the comment on the permit link
to have the engineer write an evaluative report and that's what he will do or she will do. >> Um, >> you're not going to be the only person that that does this and it's a good time to to do it. Um if if I may if I may
speak on on this uh after our conversation uh this morning, Dick, um I did ask the homeowner to uh uh to to look at their their appliances and what they reported to me is that their
dishwasher is a Frigid Air dishwasher that meet that is an energy in the energy saver mode uses only 4.8 8 gallons of water per cycle. Um, the toilets are 1.28 gallons. >> I'm not going to let you do that
tonight. This is You're not going to do it tonight. You have to give us something and say, "I did it. I report a report, please." >> And then and then the board can can act on it. And and that way everything what
we do when the next person comes along and does the ask the same question. for the on the same project which is going to happen. We want to keep treating everybody the same way and use the same kind of logic. And when you put this thing down in writing, we can look
and say, you know what, this is this is a straightforward thing that that that we haven't we that extra capacity even though you and I Peter had talked about the the state saying 200 I mean 110
gallons per bedroom per day. We're not challenging that. We're looking at that extra 110 that we made to be put in there and saying, "Is it okay that we let this homeowner say even though this
is a potential bedroom, it's not even a real bedroom, but it you can rest assured somebody's going to turn that into a bedroom because it's a beautiful bedroom." So, so it's when when plans are submitted with with the square
footage and so forth, it's it's I I'm just a little confused. It's automatically assumed that the extra square footage is a bedroom >> if it can be used as a bedroom. Yeah, >> it's a potential it's a potential use of a bedroom. >> I don't think this I don't think this is
going to cause you My guess is this isn't going to cause you any trouble at all. >> All right. Thank you. >> You can have it exactly the way you want it. >> That's what I think. Love you. Thank you. >> Just don't you're right on the edge. Let Peter Peter's not going to be around for
our next meeting, but we are going to meet. And Peter, make sure you It sounds like you've got all the information that you need other than someone's got to look at that system to make sure that the tank is good, the debox is good, that you know it's a good system, which
I think it is. I don't think it's old enough to be troublesome, >> right? 2007. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you should you should just do that. You know, Lee will get in and be there when you look at it and and I know you're going to be gone next week. So,
if you can get this done, it's only Tuesday. Get it done this week. Get this thing behind us so that next week when the board of health meets, if we agree, we get this thing through. We tell the building inspector we're all set and this is all behind everybody.
>> Okay. Very well. >> Mr. Bombadier, are you requesting a title five? I I'm just I just >> Yeah, you do end up you are going to end up the the code does require that you take a look to make sure that your your tank isn't rotted away and it's a I I
don't know, you know, in this particular case. >> Yeah, I had that I had that done in September of 24. If that's if is that relevant, if that's useful. >> It might be. It might. See what it is. Let's see what it what it says
>> because especially if if Lee looked at it and and >> Yeah. Yeah. The board of health gentleman was out here on the property in September 2024. Yeah. >> In the house that long. Have you? >> No. I I bought this house in 2016 and it was built in 2009.
>> Well, so let it let this You've got an engineer that knows how to do it. He's going to be gone next week. So, you have to push him to get this done because we're meeting next week >> and we're not going to meet for a whole month after that. So, we're meeting next Thursday. >> So, let's get this thing done.
>> The 18th we're meeting. >> 18th. Okay. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Bombadier. >> Okay. Thank you for your time, gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> Very good. Thank you. Okay. >> Oh,
>> all right. pushing 10 o'clock here. >> So, are we It looks like Colleen went to sleep already. >> Just about just see a little part of your head sticking up above the >> I'm still here. I'm f I'm fading fast.
>> We covered some interesting topics tonight and I think we got a lot done. Well, we didn't do we didn't do it as long as Tom is sitting here and then let's go to bed because and we won't do it >> in terms of rental units.
Not not looking at not we got another another one that's a a problem with on Fair Hill Road with Micheline but but uh on rental units
if the if the board of health were to say that if you're renting a unit you have to have a supply of water sewage age and the house has to stay warmer
than 50° for 3 days if you're renting a unit. It's not anything to do with with uh ADUs. It's just saying that's what when people live there, they need to be able to live and you're taking money for it.
>> What What did we lose? Lee, too. on here. >> Dick, did you see that article I put in your mailbox? >> Oh, I did. >> What? That article from the Globe on the on the residential housing code. >> Oh, >> I put it in.
>> But it's interesting that if you if you looked at that and say we're not saying you have to have light, you don't we're not doing anything. We're just saying the basic things that say you got you're being paid to have a safe place to live.
and you need to have water and you need to have sewage and for places that have public water and for most cities that's not it's not a problem but in Graanby it it could be a a problem. So we still have not made up our mind on
that. The other one, the last one, Bill, that you probably are going to be reviewing because I saw a drawing of it on Fairy Hill. >> Micheline is is >> putting
what appears to be a a whole a whole apartment in her cellar. The only thing it says is I'm not putting a kitchen. Although once she once she puts a hot place there, she's she's got a living room, a bedroom, a
toilet, a shower, and then says, "Oh, I'm not having a kitchen." Because my parents are too old to to cook, but they're not too old to walk up and down the stairs to go get her their food. And and uh
so uh on a thing like that is that you know when you look at that Tom do you say oh there's no kitchen there so it's not an ADU is everything except it just didn't have a she didn't or he didn't put a a kitchen.
Well, I mean, I can um stipulate that it can't. Um, however, I I guess actually I can't. I I couldn't do that. I guess the the thing if you have a concern what we've done with with basements um you know that they could become a um sleeping you know a bedroom or anything
like that is what and this may be something that the board you know is the board you'd want to look into is have that applicant have it um a letter written and have it notorized and registered with a deed that it'll be never be used as an apartment. Um, I've done that. Northampton does that and
that's one thing I had learned with, you know, because I run into it where they're doing a bedroom and and that the other communities would just sign off on it >> and, you know, they wouldn't put the people through any of this. And so then I'm stuck with the fact that, you know, all I note on my final letter completion
is not to use the bedroom. >> It's like when somebody doesn't have a CSL and I know they're flipping a house. Yeah. >> I cannot give them a permit. >> That's right. >> You know, if they're going to rent it or live in it, right? So, you know, I'll have them, you know, get the letter, register with the deed, and,
you know, go from there. So, it's it's tricky. It's very tricky. >> On this one, on this one, you say, gee, it's got a bathroom with a dollar. It's got a a room they call a living room. It's got a room that they call a bedroom. And then they say, "Yeah, but
it's not an apartment." >> It doesn't pass the straight face test. That's the point. We're all smiling. But >> all smiling and then they call out the square footage at 780. So it's like they were
aware of a 900 foot limitation. Oh, we're below 900. We're at 780. So we're good. >> Well, if if 6 months down the road they were to decide to make it an ADU, it doesn't matter. Now it's a change of use and it's got to be brought up. So you
know that's where of course at this point it is up to the 10th edition for building but everything else would trigger if if they later on decided to change it. So to do it at the beginning is the best time you know have your protection for you know fire and everything else splitting the units up in that.
>> But that's right I wonder if it has a I wonder if it has a separate door. They should look and say if it's got a door to the outside. Well, they have to they have it's in the basement. They
have to have another room needs egress, right? >> There's no egress. >> And if >> if it's just a regular if they're using as a wreck room for the kids in a bedroom, the bedroom would need an egress window, you know, 54 in to the opening got to be 20 by 24. >> Um, bulkhead will work even though
bulkhead doesn't have to meet the code, but that's an egress >> for that for that. But an ADU is going to need two. A bulkhead doesn't cover as an egress >> the stairs. I mean, you'd have to do a lot of work to get the stairs, your rise and run and everything. >> So, that ADU triggers that, too. You're
absolutely right. But I think that's a walk out. Isn't that want to walk out? >> It might be. >> I think so. So, it' be easy to do an ADU now if they wanted to. And >> you know, just go through the process and get your sign off for the bedroom if it's possible and whatever electrical
and plumbing inspector require. They're definitely turning it into a it's turning into an apartment. It's just it doesn't have the the kitchen. And if if you look then and just look at where the plumbing is and say they're all set up that they're just, you know,
their their bathroom has got a spot that right on the other side of the wall. They they've got a stab in for a a kitchen sink drain. They've already got their hot water there. They're they're off to the races. >> Yeah.
>> So, as far as the building code, you could have eight kitchens in a house. So, that where that's where the tricky part comes in where a community doesn't allow, you know, an accessory apartment. Um >> Yeah. >> And um accessory apartment has to have a
kitchen. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. It's it's accessory just like an ADU would have to have it. Yeah, but it does it does have some has to have some kind of kitchen. >> Correct. >> Right. >> But like you said, >> we're gonna have to look at that. We're
going to have to look at that and see if they've got a hidden kitchen. >> Yeah. What's a kitchen? A sink and a hot plate and a refrigerator and a and uh that's it. A stove. >> Yeah. But once they if we look at that bathroom and see where the the plumbing
is, we should find out what what they have for plumbing down there that because I'm not sure there's plumbing below that floor. >> There is, >> but there might be. >> There is. I question the cost and and um basically it's just buying the fixtures for the BA bathroom now. So,
>> you know, because our online permitting is open to the public. So, I do get questioned how did they do that for that cost? I see. >> And basically, you know, that's a newer home. So in the it's all framed. It's all insulated a code, you know, to meet their their blower door and hers test. So all that is all in, you know, it's an
easy >> easy remodel for her. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Interesting. >> For that money. Yeah. >> Wow. >> We could look at that and see. >> Yeah, that's in review. That's on my review list. >> Place is becoming a bigger and bigger
problem for us. That's the one with the weld that's not on the lot. Correct. >> Yeah. I forget what did how did we resolve that? >> Well, she wouldn't do it. They I think I
think I think what they did is say that they >> it was too hard to carve it out and they >> did a thing that since it's under common ownership, she wasn't going to sell the lot until they they moved put a second well in.
>> Oh, that's right. She can't sell the other lot until they put a well in. That's right. That's right. >> So, that's how we handled it. >> Okay. there all these things >> like I said. So when I do a letter of completion, if there's anything that you
want me that's legal to, you know, put as a stipulation, the the only bad part was that is if you know the owner of whichever property sells it and you know they sell it as an apartment, they think it's an apartment, it's a nightmare for all of us and the expense of the town to challenge it, you know, which
>> Yeah, I know. That's what that's where you'd rather go after it now. that, you know, it's just this woman that was just in here that I don't know. I looked at the drawing that the engineer sent me and boy, they've got this they've got a
big great room and then they said, "Oh, we've got this other room that's a that's a I think it's an audiovisisual room or something." But but in that room has got a big walk-in closet and it's got a nice big two sink bathroom with a
shower and a and a a bathtub in it and a toilet. And I said, you know, I know it's a it's a very very nice master bedroom suite. And I said, well, we got a five foot door in it. And I say,
"Yeah, that and four hours of work and a and buying a five foot French door from Home Depot and away we go. We've got ourselves our bath our our bedroom suite." >> Gota love it.
>> Yeah. So, I have one question. >> Yeah. Did you guys have Did you review and I I'm just thinking of it now. 11 Griswald >> at a bedroom. >> Yes. >> Did you guys give the okay on that one? >> Yes. That ring a bell? >> Yes. >> Yes. They had a they had a system that
was already designed for the the extra bedroom. >> Y >> perfect. >> They're all set. >> Perfect. >> They were good for that. They got their engineer and the engineer said, "Yep, I designed it. I It's a brand new system and I designed it for I think he had to
design it. I think it was a two-bedroom house and he designed it for three with a extra 110 gallons. So, it was a system that was all set for what they wanted to do. Good. Good. Because the uh contractor's coming in tomorrow because it it was all
started. The permit isn't issued yet. So, they're coming in for pay double the permit. And the poor owner homeowner, you know, kind of got stuck in the middle on that one. >> Okay. So, they're okay. >> Good. Thank you. >> Very good. >> So, are we all are we good for tonight?
>> I I hope so. >> We better be. >> Well done. >> Well, good night everybody. >> Good night. Good night. Good night and thank you. >> Good. So, let's see. >> All right. >> I'm tired.
>> I'm going to I'm exhausted. >> All right.