and then >> Yep. >> Okay. So, it it's started up, Mike. So, so back to the Bill's question to you is are you do you feel comfortable and computer savvy enough to be dealing with this new
system or is it a problem to you? >> Um, so the the new system's been fine. Um, the support that the town's getting from uh Scott, the provider, um, he's been our contact and he's done our training. Um he's been great. He's
answered any question we got. Um the biggest problem we have with it is the town's refusing to take online payments for the program. So this has created a tremendous amount of work for me for the
building inspector. Um this was the frustration that Fred felt. And um one of the big problems it's it's creating hours and hours of work. And I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but I'm only paid per inspection.
Um so I I don't have another way of collecting money for the hours of it. It's basically clerical work we're doing trying to collect these payments, sending emails to get the payments and then when the payments come in, um, one
of us has to process it and it's fallen on the building inspector. It's fallen on me before my day job. I'm going in to do it. Um, so there's just some things if the treasurer would take online payment in, it's going to help tremendous. Um, I think if I knew they
weren't going to take online payment, I I wouldn't have been for launching the program yet. Um, I'm getting a lot of complaints from the plumbers in the area after they pull the permit, then they still have to mail a check in. They have to drive a check down. Um, so that's
kind of some of the frustrations with >> other other communities, Mike, >> Mike, excuse me, Mike. In other communities, do they accept online payment? >> So, what do they take? PayPal or something? This is >> what what >> um this is the only community I know of
that doesn't >> Oh, >> but what's the platform? >> Different towns take different things. Some of them are PayPal. >> Um so there's several different that I believe the town can choose from. Um I
guess the town's payment is already set up. Um, from what I was told, and I don't know this for a fact. This is only secondhand from the from Scott from Permit Link and from the building inspector is that everything's set up with the town because we already take
online payment for taxes and stuff and it was just as simple as the treasurer giving giving a routing number and it he just is refusing to do it. >> Oh. Oh, that's Mr. I think it's a simple
Now, now there's one there's one financial issue. As you know, PayPal takes 5% off the top. So, >> I don't think you have to use PayPal. >> I excuse me. I think we can use the system that's already in in place for
the for what the per the what they're using for the taxes is what I was told. Um, >> so you know, that's just something that I It's the only town I I own my own plumbing business and I pull permits all over Western Mass and it's the only town
We're the only town that doesn't take an online payment. Um, >> let's take that. >> So, it's a little it's a little little weird. >> So, so when you take that as an assignment >> and get it fixed, >> what's that? I said, "Let's Bill and I
will take I can make the call. I'll make the call tomorrow if you want, Bill, and uh let's get this thing straightened out because I'm I don't want to be in a spot." Absolutely. We we've just lost
we've lost Fred and uh I'm hoping that you're going to say that you you'll continue for right now is the plumbing inspector. If that's the case, then then what we ought to do is I think Lee just came on.
>> But >> is that Lee? Is that you? >> Yes. >> Okay. What Mike is just saying is that the what's absolutely disaster right now is that with this new system, the the
town is not taking online payments and it's causing him a whole bunch of time that he's spending and grief from from other plumbers saying that we're the only town that won't take online payments. So what what he's in a spot
he's he just said that that he would stick with us but this is the the payments his payments aren't we know I knew that the payments aren't enough to start and then he's got a bunch of stuff he doesn't get paid for and it's this is
a this is going to be a showstopper for us if we don't get it fixed. So what what I just said to Bill is I don't know where Bill went. >> We lost. >> So my I so my question and I apologize
for get for being late but why are the payments uh the in the plumbing inspector's problem? Well, if >> isn't there an isn't there somebody else who you know
uh can chase this? In other words, when we do things, Colleen does such a great job of chasing things for us. I don't even think about this at all. And I don't understand why the town doesn't have that same setup.
>> Well, the town absolutely is that person again. That's >> yeah, we don't we don't have an administrative assistance for the plumbing. Um it fall it's fallen on the building inspector. There's there's no one else there
>> because he's pulled all that in. That's what they asked for for and they they So now we can see that that there's three things so far that we don't have the right Well, there's four things. We don't have the right pay structure for
inspections. We don't have the the right mechanism to get payment for the permits and we don't have the right system in place to even fund the the the fee structure and those were all things
that needed to be fixed and they didn't get fixed. So I I my thought is we we uh I'll I'll give the the treasurer a call. I don't even know who the treasurer is, but Kyle >> Steve Nally.
>> Oh, Steve Nally. Okay. >> He's usually there early. He's usually uh at the offices uh very early. Um, >> so I'll talk to Steve about this part, but the other part about what's the
right payment method or what's the right payment structure and and then who's got the budget for doing that. Now, I think we need to get we we need to get Tom in here to be
dealing with that. And I and it's who knows? It could be a a disaster since we don't have a town administrator. But but at least >> we ought to be able we ought to be able to get this part out of the way. >> And if it's a if we've got a fee
structure that's messed up because Mike doesn't pay for doing all the time that he's got, then we ought to be able to fix the fee structure. We can do that and deal with the we'll have to deal with the finance committee and and
>> close the loop that says we're going to change the permit feed so that it covers the money that that Mike ends up getting. But it it doesn't take very much forethought to see that that Mike is going to say, "You know what, guys?
You have a problem." And for 35 bucks a pop here, for a total of $6,000 a year, I had a lot better ways to make money than this. And >> so to go back to the fees for a second, Richard, um the the fees were increased
in June of last year. It was voted on at a town meeting and they were increased and me and Fred were involved with setting the new fees and we looked at other towns and we set pretty aggressively high fees for our town
based on all the other towns around us with the assumption that we were going to receive raises after these fees were voted on. and the fees were voted in in June and um I think it was the the last town administrator
said he wasn't increasing our pay at all. So I I haven't build the town since June. And this is another thing Fred was frustrated about. The town increased the rates. We're one of the highest rates for plumbing in Western Mass. I I just
inspected a house on Chabe Street and the plumbing fee was almost $500 and Okay, >> my take out of that is going to be 70 bucks. >> Wow. >> And and it the electrical the electrical inspectors are getting 70% of their
permit fees. So it needs to be straight across the board in the town. It can't be >> okay, >> you know. So the rates are the rates are good. The rates have been increased and I I think the rates are going to make a bunch of money for the inspection services because they're they're a really good rate. We're getting we're
getting a lot of money for our new homes, renovations, water heaters. It's we're right up there with even the bigger cities around us. >> So, we'll do we'll do two parts of this. One of them one of them definitely is to get with Steve Nally and see what it
takes to get the online payment, but the other is to get the fees straightened out. And that's for sure. Tom, this is going to be like the fourth time that we've gone to Tom and said, you know, we have to find out how we deal
with these fees and how they're funded and where the budgets occur because it's it's not the the loop isn't closed. So, now it's time to close it because as you we see, we lose one plumbing inspector and and let's face it, we're not going
to get one. We didn't get a building inspector until they got that straightened out. And so, it's going to be the same thing thing with you. >> And so, let's get it straightened out instead of making you really really unhappy and say, "Okay, I'm the second one. You guys go figure out what your
problem is. Let's let's figure it out before that. Yep. >> So, um, is the fee structure going to be commensurate with surrounding towns? And
I don't mean what the people are charged for the permit, but what the inspector gets on a per whatever per inspection basis. What's the fix? I just Right. Just I mean very unofficially.
I've asked around just neighboring inspectors >> and you know we get 35 we get $35 an inspection. I can't find anyone in neighboring towns that's that low. The other problem is a lot of towns just get
paid a flat um salary for the year to do all the inspections. They don't get paid by inspection. Um, so our town's a little our town's a little um unique in that area, but like I checked with, you know, Southampton and I'm the backup in
Belchuretown. So I know Southampton's $60 inspection. Belchure Town just went to 50, I believe. Um, you know, and then a lot of towns do how the electrical inspectors have it. they get 70% of the
of the fees collected and they cover the town for the year and that's how the town gets 30, the inspectors get 70. That's how it's split up. Um, and we do get mileage in Graanby, but I mean it's it's 45 cents a mile. It's
>> it's the lowest I could find in the state. You know, the state doesn't even recognize 45 cents a mile. I don't know where that even comes from. I don't know what it would even cover as far as fuel and maintenance on a vehicle. >> The IRS rates close to 60 cents a mile.
>> So why are you only >> That's what I mean. It's not even a >> because that's what it is. It's the same as you're getting too, Bill. So >> that that's the town's number. >> The town, >> you know, the the dick the I love this
town, but the town's living in the 20th century. They really are. >> Yeah. >> They got to get with it. >> Right. Right. Well, we have to we have to take this on as an assignment. So, we've got the the >> two parts of it. There's two ends of this. One is the the recordkeeping part
that that I will call Steve Nelly and find out why it is that we're not taking online payments and get and find out what it takes to get it done. But the other is we really do have to understand what are the fees,
who got the budget, and how do we make sure that they're fair. That and that's, you know, when we talked to Tom about it, we said this is key. When we switch this thing over, it's not the board of health anymore that's that's doing this thing. Unless we do at at this point, if
if we go to the finance committee and said, you know what, we're not going to we're going to >> we said we were going to try to let let the building department do unified some kind of unified approach, but if we've got a hole here that we're going to lose
another plumbing inspector and that we can't get the town to take care of it, we in fact, this is our budget and if if we deal with with Mike and say, "What is it? How's the fair way to do this?" And go to finance committee and say, "We're
going to run over on this budget, but we got all this money coming in for fees." Then the finance committee usually says, "Well, as long as you're covering what the what what the costs are with the fees, then we're we're not going to give
you any kind of problem." But but if that's the way we have to do it, that's that's that's not in keeping with doing it as a unified approach. But it certainly covers our backside. You know, we've got a responsibility that that Mike is working for the board.
we appoint them and even though it's it's kind of screwed up that the way it with the board of health doing this at least in terms of keeping him minimally happy you know we we ran it
Michael I got a dog barking here that that my son's taking her out so we we can hear but uh you But uh but anyways, you know, it's this
we had the same trouble with our our food inspector and our health inspector and we just had to grab that >> and fix it. >> So So we can we actually I think we could do a thing. We'll have to talk to Tom to see
>> whether Tom is is going to say, "Boy, I really don't go along with what you guys are proposing because we don't want to do that. Mhm. >> We don't want to do that at all. >> But we got to make it worth your while to to help us. Obviously, if you're going to lose money 35 an hour, you can
be doing other things making 150 an hour. >> That's right. When you're when you're going out on the road to put the toilet in and you're you're billing out at 120 an hour and then you get go to, you know, come back to your other job and get $35. Someone says, "You know what? I
should be putting in toilets, not looking at toilets that someone else put in. >> So, >> right. And just and just so everyone knows, I I have no intention of leaving the town high and dry. You know, I'm committed to doing it. And when Fred stepped down, you know, you know, Fred
talked to me first and told me of his intentions. And his major concern was that I was going to stay on and service the town. And that that's my intention and that's what I want to do. It's just these concerns I think are coming to light with seeing Fred disappear like
this and uh you know so before it gets worse that's kind of why I want to want to get a get ahead of it. And that's exactly what what Lynn Dennis did with us to say, you know, this is just this is beyond the
beyond what's tolerable and I'm not I just can't continue it. And and uh so let's let's work on both. But one of the things that now that the three of us are here that are Lee and and Bill are do
are we going to appoint Mike to be the plumbing inspector? Yes. I move we appoint Mike to be interim employing inspector. Yes. Is there a second? >> Okay. All in all in favor? I am. >> I all three of us. So we're we're
appointing you Pauline. I guess what that will be is for the we do it for the rest of of the term, right? That would be the that it's what it's typically a three-year term.
>> Yeah. that was going to 2027. So, yeah, >> that would be to to carry that out. So, that gets you into a spot. Mike, do you have someone that that you're looking at that can be an assistant that that you can find?
>> Well, at this point, at this point, no. Um, and I don't know the right way to go about it because when when Fred brought me on as an assistant, he um kind of sold me on it as he was going to be gone
for half of the year. So I at least I did basically 50% of the inspections for the past, you know, seven years. So, I was able to generate enough money to make it worth my while to cover to cover expenses and costs of continuing ed and
all this stuff. So, I'm I would only be looking for a backup for, you know, my two weeks vacation a year and if there's an emergency that I can't get to it. So, I don't know where I would find a backup that >> would do it for a couple hundred
dollars, you know, that would do go through the schooling and the continuing education and stay current. So, >> yeah, you'd almost have to go to South Adley or neighboring town and say, "Hey,
would you would you cover me for for the amount and make sure that that we authorize to do that work? No, not yet. >> Yeah, we could do something like that. Or um, >> you know, we could once we get the rates
straightened out and I can I can say to someone, hey, we can pay X number of dollars for an inspection when I when I need covering, would you be willing to do that? Um, because the >> the schooling you have to do every year for it is quite a bit of a commitment. So, yeah, they'd have to make something
for doing it, you know. But I could talk to I'm very friendly with with South Hadley's inspector, Belchure Town's inspector. Um, our code does say that an adjoining town's inspector can inspect um in the town if needed. So, we do have
some options to look at that way. and and I do know some people that I think would make great backup inspectors um and have the credentials to do it, but I I kind of want to wait to see where the money shakes out to tell them what >> okay >> what I could offer him to do it, you know,
>> and it might be something that I could reciprocate with a neighboring town and cover for them if he needs it for a week or two and he could cover for me if I need it for a week or two. >> Um >> Okay. So, >> I have it has been something I was thinking about.
So if all right that being said if if Salt Hadley called you uh to cover whatever a week or 10 days um and it would be X amount per inspection um can
you share what that number would be? >> Um South Hadley I don't know how they how they how they do it. I'm not sure how South Hadley does it, but I know Belchuretown if they if you if you're a backup, I think it's 50 in inspection, and I'm not sure what it is for mileage.
Um, >> okay. >> Then I'm not sure about South. I don't >> So if if if we approach the town or not if when we approach the town, is that number going to going to work?
>> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Yeah, I don't know. when you get when you get paid. I >> as long as the per as the long as the permit fee that we charge the resident exceeds the sum of all the inspections
that the plumbing inspector has to do, then it's a it's it's a plus. That's all. >> Right. So, if it's a $200 plumbing permit and you do $105 worth of inspections or $150 worth of inspections is still a plus. We just don't want to go negative. We don't want to go in the
red, that's all. That's where the finance committee will come after us. And do you get paid, >> Mike, on the the device that you go to or is it on the inspection? Do you get do you get paid by the trip or by the
device? >> We get paid by by inspection. So, some permits would require two inspections, some just require one, but we charge accordingly for that. you know, a a new house, a new house definitely requires more inspections, but that's why uh me
and Fred set the fees where we were at, anticipating um it being able to self-fund us above and beyond and looking at what the permits are. >> Yeah. >> Look, looking at what the permit fees are and what I'm collecting, some part
of the town's making a bunch of money off of me and I don't know where the money's going. Okay. Okay. So, what what we've got to do, if you can if you can get Colleen a list of the inspection fees
so we can then look at that and Colleen, can you put this on the next meeting so and get us out a list of the fees? Let's see if and I'll get a hold. Yo, it's right on the >> Steve Nally and let's let's figure out
how we can grab a hold of this and at least get Mike since we do have we do have this under our control. Let's figure out what we want to do. I can see about talking to the the finance
committee. I can do that even beforehand and tell them what we're planning to do and ask them what they're, you know, what they would be pushing against us and so we can make sure we cover their bases and let's get this done really
quick. And so and and if if Steve has got some kind of a problem with the payments, let me find out what the problem is and see if we can get that fixed
and get both of these things behind us and at least make Mike say, you know what, this turned out to be an okay job. >> Okay. Is that is that okay, Mike? >> Does that make sense? >> Absolutely. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Have a good year. >> You too. Look forward to your continued service, Mike. Thank you. >> Likewise. Thanks for taking the time, guys. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You know, Mike, I just look and I don't remember the last time I saw you, but I don't from from my camera. It looks like
your hair might be a little red on top. And then so maybe even the beard looks a little reddish. So they'll be calling you Red McCain Coup. Oh, I I wish they would, but I don't think I got any of that.
>> Happy New Year. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, you guys you guys don't know Red. I think Red was around a long time.
Now, we have a guest here. Samsung SM S908U. >> Maybe as long as we're here. We haven't started any of our stuff other stuff yet. Maybe we can put the this whole thing behind it. Is this Dale?
Dale, you're muted. So, we can't we can't hear you. >> You have to open up your audio, Dale. No, you're not. There you go. >> Now you're on. Now you're on. >> So, is that who we have? Is that Are you Dale? >> Yes. >> Okay. The The reason we asked you to to
come here with and and meet with us is that Do you have an application in for the the smoker? and and what what we looked at. Do you have a a base of operation, but we had definitely
questions about toilet and hot water? The the part that that actually that that you would be dealing with and your your employees would be dealing with from the the cleanliness standpoint. And we didn't see that in your application.
I don't Bill and Lee, were there other issues, too? Um I think those were the primary concern as I recall. >> Well, we're just wondering how you were going to be handling that and then when
we what happened is with our permits right now is our permits end up essentially allowing you to work any place in the town. So once you have the permit, so you have to kind of come up
with that plan to tell us how you're going to handle it. >> I have a freshwater tank on board and a wastewater tank on board. There's a 30- gallallon freshwater tank and a 50-gallon wastewater tank. Um I have a
heater on board. Um my temperature gets to the proper temperature. Um I have all that stuff on board. I had to have all that for the Springfield inspection. So, just to get my license and certification for the trailer itself, all that had to
be in place. So, all those items that you're >> Yeah. >> You said temperature, but you didn't say water temperature. Are you Are were you meaning water temperature? >> Water temperature. >> Yeah. Water temperature. There's the onboard water heater. >> So, you can adjust it from 100 to 140
degrees, I believe. >> Yeah. Well, you do have hot water. How about toilets? >> No toilets. The facility that we're doing on the maple leaf, they're providing the uh sanicants. >> So, we could
we could I'm asking this is a question to Bill and and Lee. If that's the case, could we write the permit in a way that that Dale could only operate in a place that he's got
ready access to toilets? >> That's reasonable. Yeah, I think so. That's fine with me. >> In effect, that's I think that's what happens with all the folks that are over at the White House. >> Yeah, that's that's fine with me. You always need a porta potty or something,
you know what I mean? You're you're going to go to the bathroom some >> right >> somewhere somewhere during the day. So, yeah, that's fine with me. >> Yeah. But we just don't want it behind the telephone pole. >> Yeah. No, no, no, I don't either. You know, >> I currently operate the down the street from my house. So, when I have to use
the bathroom, I actually, you know, shut it down for >> Yeah. Exactly. So, >> that's right. Yeah. Is that is what do we have for other questions for Dale? >> So, we have to have Lynn inspect his his
equipment. >> Yeah. >> I'm okay. If if he's got the the handwashing stuff with hot water and he's got access to that we say he's got to have access to toilets.
>> Yeah. then then that fits my needs. >> Yeah, my my trailer is a couple years old. Um it it has the four bay sinks, the the three wash sinks, and the hand washing sink. So I I it is equipped with with everything I need to operate a
kitchen. >> Okay. How many um >> fine you working right now? >> What's that? Currently just Springfield. >> Currently just Springfield. I'm just uh certified in Springfield currently.
>> I just opened up about four months ago. >> Okay. And does Springfield require a yearly uh reinspection of everything? >> Everything from top to bottom. >> Everything from from the uh
>> Yeah. from a letter from the sheriff, I mean from the chief of police down to the inspection from the uh fire department and the board of health and everything in between. >> Very good. Thank you very much. >> Yeah, >> we're set. >> Good luck, Dale. Good luck.
>> I think we're good. >> Thank you. >> That's it. >> Thank you very much. >> That's it. Thanks for coming. Have a good year. >> Thank you, guys. >> Thank you, guys. You too. >> Happy New Year. >> Good. So, let's if we go through our our agenda, we actually got the the two
that were at 7:30 out of the way. And but uh >> how about the the minutes from December 16th? Are we okay with those? >> Uh I am. Thank you. >> And Bill, you said you couldn't see.
>> I couldn't I couldn't see anything, Dick. So, I assume you guys are fine. just have to abain, huh? >> Yeah, I'll just abstain on that. >> Okay. Then the next one is is Colleen's time sheet. It's for the
the end of the week of the 27th of of December and this new format and it's 70 hours as normal. Are we all set with that? >> That should be fine.
>> Yes, >> I am too, Colleen. So that's good. >> Okay. >> For the payments to the treasurer for this date ending the the 30th of December, it's a total of $2,000. Even of that,
800 is board of health permits. 1,50 is board of health licenses, $150 for board of health fees, and that's it. Totaling $2,000. Are we okay with that?
Yes, >> Bill. >> Yeah, all set. >> Okay, Colleen had we had already authorized uh purchases from Quill for printer,
toner, and uh daily planner. That was $23.99 for the toner and two $23.99 for the planner totaling $227.98 and that those bills are due. Are we
okay with those? >> I'm too approved. >> Okay. The next is um we just went through the smokehouse that's
uh limited liability corporation Dale Hardy. Uh we just actually we just approved it I believe. >> Yeah. >> For subjected lens inspection and operating
with access to toilets. So that's the three of us said that. Is that correct? >> Bill and Lee. >> Yes. >> No. >> Yeah, that's right. You're right. >> Okay. Yes. So that's what we do. The
next one is licensed to sell uh retail food is Pushman Incorporated doing businesses. Graanby Liquor. That's a renewal for the year. Are we set with that one?
>> Yeah. Yes, >> I am too. Colleen, >> we've got something special has got two of them. Operate a food establishment and the other is to operate a catering. The food
establishment is over 2550 and the other is the food establishment catering. Those are both renewals. Are we okay with those? >> Yes, I am still >> good, Dick. Yeah. >> Okay. Next one is food establishment
over 25 states renewal for the Graanby American Legion Post 266. I'm okay with that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Legion. >> Sure. Yes. >> And so we all approve that. Next one is a
food license for the whole church and special events for the Immaculate Heart of Mary men's and women's clubs. Are we okay with that? >> I am. >> Yes. >> We all are. Ellen, that's >> okay.
The next one is a food establishment under 25 seats and that is Subway and Clifford Lar Larowway at Five Corner or I'm okay with that.
That's a renewal. Are you guys Bill and Lee? >> Yeah, that's good. >> That's fine. >> Okay, that's approved. >> Yes. >> Okay. Next one is a hair salon renewal for five corner cuts.
>> Karen Dume are we've I'm okay with that and Bill >> that's fine. >> Sure. Yes. Thank you. >> We're all that way. This is a renewal for disposal works installers permit and this is for Douglas Bernach
construction. I'm okay with that one. Dylan Lee. >> Yeah, I agree. Yes. >> Okay. Okay. That's approved. This is the same thing for
uh Katawitz Custom Homes. It's a renewal for a disposal works construction permit and also for ever construction. Uh Greg Everson at Kellogg Street. That's a renewal. Are we okay with both of those?
>> That's fine. And I am Sue felling. Next one. Application for sewage haulers permit from also from Greg Everson and Grammy separate services. I'm okay with that one. Are you guys? >> Yes. Yeah.
>> Good there. >> Okay. We're all in agreement. The next one is a and I'm not sure about this one, but this one is a disposal works construction permit for IMT landscaping
and construction on East Street. Is it Colleen? Is this a renewal also? >> It is. It is. >> Well, I Yeah. So, I guess Lee, are are you okay with this one?
Um, I I read this through. Um, I don't have any recollection of doing any work with this company. >> What's the name of the company?
>> It It's IMP, Landscaping and Construction. >> Who Who's the principles in the company? >> Um, I won't I won't Oh, boy. Yeah, I don't know how to say that. >> But it's a renewal. So it means somebody
it's already been entered. >> They they've had it. Yeah. And they have had it I think every year since I've been here. I don't know you know what systems they've done exactly, but they have they do get it every year.
>> Okay. Okay. Lee, have you gone through inspected any of their work? >> Um, I'm trying to recall. There is a there is a uh a fellow with a very uh
heavy um um um Polish accent. >> Yes. >> Uh that lives over on way in the back on Eastern. That's his company. That's where it is. It's way if you look at the
auto body shop that's there just before you go to Lello. It's way up in the back there. >> Oh, I know. That's right. Used to be where the ostrich farm used to be. >> Right. That's right. >> That was the ostrich farm. Yes. I know. Yeah, I know that guy. We actually went
up and met him on on a conservation matter years and years and years ago. >> Yeah, I know that guy. >> All right. I just but I just didn't connect it by by the name of the business. But yeah, you're right.
>> He bought that land from Gendro when when Jendro had the ostrich farm >> years ago. >> Okay. So, we approved that. So, now we go into the the next group
of of of things. One is a letter from on 159 School Street. That's one of the things, Bill, that you couldn't have seen. And then the the house is being sold.
However, that the septic inspections and the bank is looking for a letter from us saying that either it can or cannot be lived in
in the before the new system goes in. But this one is a tank that's full a debox that's got and the tank is corroded. The debox has got solids in it. It's
filled up. Only one line is partially taking any liquid. The rest that the title fives is not taking any liquid. There's no ser no water on the surface. Our question is when you've got a system
that's that bad, do you in fact let that go and let it go to failure and then be chasing it down or do you say it's really this is not just a failed
title five inspection and it fails by by definition. >> That's 159 school. It's 15. >> Yeah. 159. >> Okay. Little history. They came in for a
wetlands permit, I think two years ago, and I believe they're under the premise that they're going to be replacing their leech fields. So, they never replaced their leech fields. I'm looking at it right now, Dick. >> They didn't do that. They knew it was bad and didn't do it.
>> Yeah. Here's the um here's the site right there. It's got a pond. There's a pond on the site. >> Yeah. Well, you're right. That we we've gone through that. They've known that this thing is bad. >> That's right. >> They came north a couple years ago. Uh
my feeling I don't know how you guys feel but mine is that that if you let this thing go and then you have the sewage on the surface then you're what are you going to do? Force the people into an emergency or do you
do you just say no it if when you stop living there this thing needs to be fixed before the next people move to it? Well, well, again, the water is right next to the site. And again, just by the photograph, it doesn't look like the water is really far down from the uh
from the plateau. So, I'm guessing the system is probably pretty darn close to the water table, if not in the water table. >> Be over. It might. I think that, you know, I can remember Well, I think I can remember doing a perk test.
>> Yeah. And and uh I think it may be designed right, but when we the repair is definitely designed right, >> but if they if they just chose not to do the repair and now we're in a spot that said,
"Well, we didn't do the repair. Too bad." >> That's right. We're going to be chasing them forever, Dick. >> I My feeling would be that to say to the the bank that evidence is that that this system is in total failure and it can't
be once these people move out it can't be reoccupied until the system is repaired. >> Yeah. Now by the regulation don't they have a six-month grace period to get the system repaired after transfer? >> Yeah. But I think that's provided it's
it's not it's not causing any environmental problems that that uh if it fails just as a result of Title 5 and says, "Gee, you're too close to the water table or you're, you know, your tank should be replaced," that that's
different than finding out you've got a you've got a a failure that's an environmental problem. So, when was the title five done on this property? >> I listen I don't have it right with me.
The one that Colleen, you sent it to us, but I'm afraid if I go flipping through my my paperwork. >> Yeah, I don't have it with me, but um I don't think it was that long ago.
>> But there was another one. I know. We went through this thing and and we did the there's a an approved repair. >> That's right. >> I remember, Bill, that you were talking about it. >> That's right. They went through con I
think Al Weiss was involved on this one if I'm not mistaken, >> but it was either Al or Neil, but it it was >> it was something that we talked about how close it was to the pond. And we we went through >> a lot of work on this thing
>> because it was a problem. >> Yes. >> And now you let it go knowing it's a problem. >> I'm I'm guessing the reason it was there's a system repair to this is
because they knew it was a fail before and now what they've done is say, "Okay, we'll do another title five and get it out for another six months or something." And that doesn't My feeling is we tell the bank it can't be occupied until it's reoccupied until
it's fixed. >> Lee and Bill, what are you thinking? >> Well, I can support that, but again, I'd like to know some of the previous facts whether or not they indeed did a title five a couple years ago and whether they had an approved septic design a couple
years ago. think that you could if someone came in and said, you know, we'd like to move in, can we turn this into a tight tank for three months? Because I think the the literature that or the letter that
we saw said that they planned on placing it within 120 days, >> but >> we could let them tight tank it, but again, no discharge to the SAS, but tight tank it. And then >> yeah, they'd have to come up with a design and a design and controls and
alarms and >> Yeah. Yeah. >> probably simpler just to repair it at this point. >> Yeah, you're probably right about that, Bill. But as far as them uh continuing as is
where it is, no. Can't support that. I could say that that that it can't the system and its existing state can't be used after the after the current uh owners
residence, but that the board would entertain options to prevent any discharge to the environment until the system is repaired.
So you could do it that way. >> So it says you can't you can't use the existing system, but we'd entertain other options. So if they decide to to pump it every 3 weeks, I guess you could with the proper
alarms and make sure it doesn't, you know, maybe you plug up the outlet and say, "Okay, we'll we'll let you we'll deal with the fact that the tank is a little corroded." And >> Dick, I'm looking at some aerial photos and that pond discharges to a stream
which ends up in Forge Pond. No, really? >> Yeah. Yep. Ends up in Forge Pond. >> No, it it goes it goes to the east. It doesn't go >> It doesn't go to the west.
>> No, I think it flows north. >> That's at Ingraham Brook. It's a funny brook. It flows north. >> Yeah. So that flow south. So that area >> that area must be right on the break because if you go to the other side of the road >> Yeah.
Somehow or other that gets into the brook system that goes out behind Lavoy's gravel pit and goes to the the town drinking water area. So that must be right on the break. >> That's right. It's on the It's on the water divide. Yeah, that's on the water
divide. That's >> It heads to the east and then north. >> Yeah. Yep, I believe so. Okay. Well, it sounds like that's what we're saying is that the existing system cannot be cannot continue to be used
after the current residents leave and that the board would entertain options other than direct replacement to allow occupancy. Is that what we're we said, Bill and Lee? It
>> sounds right. >> Yes. >> Okay. We've got there's some questions, Bill, that for you that apparently you you haven't seen on on planning board requests for I
think it's a big barn on Bags Hill and then on Morgan Street. >> Okay, let me take a look. Right, I can I can look at that right now. This is on the the the point software, Colleen. >> Um, >> yeah, let me look at
>> I think it's on there. Well, I know 127 Morgan is on. Yeah, both should be on there. >> Let me see what my assignment's going to be here. Hold on. >> Oh, I know the guy on Bags Hill. He had a wetland permit. That's right. He wants to put a barn up there. He's got solar panels. That's um
Let's see. Oh, we see you got Dearbrook, Carver, Taylor, Ferry Hill, Taylor Harris, Carver, Morgan, Bachelor. Yeah. See, he's not on permit link yet. >> Oh, he's not on there. >> He's not on there yet. But I'll take a look at that, Dick, once it shows up and I can comment on it.
>> Okay. >> But I know >> they look to me like they're just they I don't think they interfere with anything. They uh it's just they're big. I think both of them are big. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But they
the other and and I don't know, Colleen, is anybody looking for us that on this this thing on Ming Ridge? I I states I don't know how we're going to deal with that. There's 75 lots. >> Well, here's here's what's here's what
happened on conservation, Dick. We gave him permission, I believe a year or two years ago, to actually cut a path through the site to at least cut the rough in the road so at least they can put property pins in and get a machine
in there so you guys can do your perk tests. >> Yeah. I I don't know how to handle 75 lots. I'm And it's You can't dig in there very well. I I'm
I don't know whe whether you start in there and and say we're going to you're gonna whoever's doing it get some machines and does two different lots even if they're out of season whatever and then once you see what you've got
then de to develop a plan because just to say gee we're going to get into something that someone's going to go in with a a little backhoe and it's going to take two pays to do every lot. >> Dick, you know as well as I there's a lot of bedrock there. There's a lot of
wetland. There's going to be a lot of non-buildable lots. They'll be lucky to get a third or half of what they propose out of that site. That's my opinion. >> If you even if you assume that it's okay, if you go in that street and look on the
on the uh east side, >> it's all rock >> and look on and see all the rock. >> Yes. that people have got around their houses. >> Yes. >> That that all came out of the ground. So that >> that and some of these things are bigger than a small backho to start. So Right.
>> So unless you you went in there >> with teams of people and big machines. Yeah. It just it get it just can't get done in a reasonable time. >> Yeah. Originally Ledllo Construction owned that site for 10 years. is
apparently Lello Construction has now sold it to a developer, another party, and the other party is now taking over. Hopefully, they're sophisticated enough to have big tracked machinery to do the work in an efficient fashion. That's what I'm guessing, but who knows?
>> Maybe the good news for the people up on Ledgewood is that there'll be new houses on the way, so they'll be the ones that are shot, right? >> Instead of the bullets going up to to Ledgewood. I'm saying that facitiously. >> I know. No, I But you're right. They're
right in the line of fire there. Absolutely. >> Pretty. >> So maybe their lawyer can try to do something about that hazard. >> Yeah. >> So I guess, >> you know, actually that might be the reason they bought the land
just for the purpose of a lawsuit. Very possible. >> Who knows? Who knows? But I guess there's nothing for us to be saying here other than, you know, we can't stop people from drawing lines and making proposals and
the rest will just >> Don Frederick's engineering company, Sherman and Frederick, have done all the plans consistently over the years. So, have they called you for perk tests yet? >> Nobody has done anything. >> Okay. They've come to the commission for
two a couple of wetland permits, but they did the first in 2015. They did the last one a couple of years ago. >> Maybe the whole thing ends up being done as out of season perks and then go back in and do it. So you can spend a whole
year going through the place and then go back and do water tables. But if I if I recall looking in a lot of that soil is it's almost impossible to see water table in there that it's just
piles of rocks on top of each other >> with very little soil. >> Who authored the letter? >> What? What? >> Who wrote the letter? Who authored the letter? >> Uh, what do you mean? What letter?
>> From the from the planning board. Who who's who's the developer? What's the name of the development company? >> Oh, uh, let me see if I have it with me. Um, yeah, I do. Let's see. So, I'm guessing they're on the agenda at the planning board for a uh
subdivision. >> Dan Dan's Construction uh West Street Lello. >> What's the name of it? >> Dan Dan's Construction. West Street Lello. >> Wow. That sounds like a little a little
name for a big giant project. >> Yeah. in West Street. It's right across the border. >> 715 West Street. So I don't >> So are they before the planning board for a subdivision review?
>> Yeah. Departmental review of definitive subdivision plan. >> Wow. So, they'll go in looking to have their granite curbs relieved and no sidewalks and to do the standard things people do
when they do subdivisions. Hopefully, they'll at least have them put sidewalks on one side of the street and maybe granite curbings at strategically significant locations, but that's a big project.
>> Big big project. So, my next question I have is ends up on 126 South Street and it it's a a lot
that's got uh let's say it's got 25,000 square feet. So, it's a a little bigger than I think it's 6 acres. So even with the existing So the existing house
is two bedrooms and the house the ADU is one. Now because the ADU is a new makes it new. That means that this is a
three-bedroom house on less than 30,000 square ft with a well, which means that's definitely new construction with nitrogen loading problems. So I started off saying that's what gets
you. Then it then I told them, well, we also have a regulation that if you're going with an ADU, you can't have a system that that is an in a non-compliance one. So, you can't have one that's got a deed restriction
that already says you can't because it's a two-bedroom house, you can't put more. So, you can't do that. So you have to have a three-bedroom house design, not a not a two-bedroom house design. So that the system's too small. But but the next
question is and then because it's not a single family or a two family house, it's a pump system. So the pump system can't be a single pump. It has to be a double pump because it's not a single family or
a two family house. code says two pumps. So, that needs to be in there. Now, we get into our regulation, which doesn't have to be a septic regulation, and that's are we
going to say in this case that you now have now they have two rental properties as it looks like, but at least one. And are we going to now say it's time that you have to be able to have the 3
days worth of water and sewage? So you have to do something to supply that rental property and the people who live there with a way to live. So that's a a question that'll be coming.
Maybe we Colleen, maybe you put that on our next meeting because I don't think Neil's going to be ready for for it yet. But we talked about having rental units have a permit for a rental unit and then
we said new stuff would have to be the water supply and then we give people five years or whatever. And we talked about water testing, too. I hate to be talking about it tonight.
I I got one other project to talk about, Dick, before we close down. >> Okay, go ahead. >> Okay. 7576 East Street.
Colleen, this is the fellow that complained at 76. He's a fairly new resident. >> I went down there, Dick. I believe it was the end of October or November. I've been there a couple of times. >> This is at the corner of South Street in East. >> Yes. Yes. Yeah.
>> Where you've got a culvert that goes across into >> This is Danette Jr.'s old house. He sold it to a fellow from down south. Real nice guy. There's a culvert that crosses the street. He the new owner claims that he took a
sample to the lab. It came up positive for either uh collar for E. coli. Of course, that in itself doesn't tell you the full story. So, I went down there.
He told me across the street at 75 they had a party one weekend with a lot of people and shortly thereafter black material smelly black material was spewing out of that culvert dick. Okay.
So um I looked at the orientation of the culvert. It appeared to go to the vicinity of the driveway at 75. Now, I looked at the plans, the septic plans that Bob Senior did back in the 90s, and
he did mention the drain. Uh, supposedly it's got a new system as of the 1990s at 75 South, but, uh, it sounds as though the contamination that I observed at 76
after that outing, that party, was from 75. So, I think they got a problem there, Dick. Not that again, not that it's that it's breaking out consistently, but I think from time to time it tends to
break out. So, >> we'd have to put on the radar anyway. >> I wonder how how old do you think the original system is, Bill? >> I think Bob did it in I think 95. So, it's probably 30 years old now. >> Yeah, because I can remember that's
that's a Greg Orland project. There was a huge amount of silt brought in, >> right? Yeah. >> In that on that corner. A huge huge amount. >> Yeah. >> So, the system isn't it was an elevated system. >> Yes.
>> Um can't tell you, you know, and in that time I don't know what we were looking at for for water table. I don't know if it if you looked at how it was being determined
>> the perk the perk rate was 20. It was a 20 perk. >> Yeah, it's it's still on that. >> It's tough. It's tough material. >> It's that Drumland that that course you know the same one that you're on. >> Yeah, it's tough material.
And um I don't know how you you know when you when you look at at an open water course and say without knowing what it is. I've never when I've driven by there I've
never smelled anything. I do know that the the house that you're talking about had a problem. If you look in the backyard you'll see that >> Oh yeah. Their their water table is super high on 76. Of course. Of course. >> Yeah. that they've got right in back of
the guy's garage as I recall. There's a big mound back there. >> Yeah. >> So, so I don't know what you >> But but the thing at But the thing at 75, even if they rebuild 75, how much higher can they make the system
or they'd have to put some nitrogen treatment system in? Again, they've done as best they could on that little tiny lot on the corner. >> Yeah. But but uh how would you go about on this
particular one? >> Well, I guess I guess the def the default scenario is have someone do a title five at 75. See what they come up with. >> First, you you'd have to have more than someone saying, "Hey, I saw
this." we'd have to see some other kind of testing either, you know, something in there that we would be responsible for, right? >> But but again, by the orientation of the culvert, it kind of veers in a direction
across the street. And I did see a pile I saw a pile of 3/4 inch to inch and a half stone right over where I believe the inlet to the culvert is. So, I got a feeling the system's overflowing and it's decanting through some gravel into
the inlet on the culvert crossing under the road. That's what I think. >> And you ought to be able to see that. Then then a a test for a simple peep test for for cololaform could tell us that and say, "Okay, it's
>> he he claims it was positive for colifform." But again, animals can produce a bacteria that would produce a positive as well. >> Sure. If you if you look at a a pile of wet leaves, >> that's right. >> You definitely are going to get
something. But but if you saw enough to say, gee, this is definitely tons of feal, then you could go after it. But but if you look I think Bill if you look at the system and what we did at the time I'm going to
guess you've got a 100 foot separation from that. But I don't know that. >> All I know is there's four trenches. There's like four 60 ft trenches that are elevated. They run perpendicular to the street.
>> That's the plan shows. That's what the plan shows >> from to what street built >> from East Street. They're perpendicular to East Street. >> Okay. >> I thought they'd be parallel, but they're actually perpendicular to East Street. >> Huh.
>> So, what do you propose we do? >> I'm Well, I'm wondering, Colin, do you have any pumping records from this res this residential address? Do they pump their system regularly? >> Yeah, I'll have to check the records.
>> Yeah, maybe it's a simple dick. Maybe they don't pump their system and they've got the carryover and all kind of bad stuff going on. >> Yeah. Has it has that house sold that we can we can go and look at a title five?
>> No. No. Here's what happened. 75 East transferred. They did an interf family transfer. So there's no title five. >> Oh. So there's new people in 75 and they tend to be younger people that have parties and that's why the flow rate has
gone up over the past year or so. >> So >> so there's new usage in the house >> but it was an transfer. >> Yeah. I think the the first thing has to be I would do is if this guy at least
has samples that he took and you've got data say show us what the data says. So we look at that if his data doesn't indicate that it's it's feal or then we could go
and and do our own test and because I think that test is a cheap test if you just >> Oh it is it's inexpensive. Colleen, could you contact him? Please invite him to our next meeting. Maybe >> next meeting. Sure. >> Yeah. >> And then we'll we'll see what what we can find and >> Yeah.
>> Invite him to our next meeting. >> The fellow from 76. >> 76. Yeah. The complaintant. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because if we if you end up just saying, "Oh, we know this because someone told us." That's not really >> No, we don't want to do that. Yeah. We don't want to do that.
>> Yeah. You know, we've done that in the past and we're we tend not to be real successful with those projects. >> No, that's right. That's right. It's not data driven. That's so this one, >> you know, it's like it's like the guy on Barton Street. We're still having trouble getting the guy on Barton Street to comply.
>> Yeah. And we've got there's the guy there and we've got the guy on on Pleasant Street that's on the corner of of Barton Street. That one's still up in the air. We've got the one that's out the near
where uh >> Steve Zaban used to live on South Street way at the end. That's another one that that's just hanging. >> Yeah, we still have Ken Lane as well. >> That's right. >> Ken Lane. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. What's the latest on Ken
Lane, Lee? Did they get Did the lady get funding for that or No. >> Oh, you can't. I what happened is is we got the thing for for uh Tammy that Tammy was looking for the the
number that to authorize the the payment and Tammy's gone. >> Yeah. >> So, Colleen got the the the number for Tammy Martin. So, I guess now you'd have to go through Kevin O'Grady. And I who
knows whether Kevin feels comfortable about coming up with with funding, releasing funding. We'd have to talk to Kevin and and see. If I were, I know one thing, if I were Kevin, I'd be saying, you know, I'm
doing this as a favor to the town, and this is this is way over what I can easily do. that that that Chris was dealing with contracts and repayment and and it's a heck of a thing to try to do to Kevin.
>> I agree. Okay. Anyway, that's all I had on the 7576 situation. So, so other than that, I guess I guess we can we can probably
call it a year if we want. >> Happy New Year, >> right? A year. >> Yeah. A whole year. >> Yes. >> So, not a a fiscal year, but our year for sure. >> Right.
>> Yep. So, if that's the case, then we'll all say say good night and happy new year and >> happy new year >> and be healthy. >> Yes. >> All the best. All the best in 26.
>> Okay. Good night everyone. Good night. Thank you. Good night. >> Happy new year.