[Music] They were $10 a pound, which is not bad for three pound lobsters. Wow. And you
go I go to a place that that has a his own little tank in his outside his garage and he leaves he leaves pain in a bag and you just go and you got a little scale then you weigh it and you just leave your money in his in another
little case. Well, serve yourself. He trusts you because I'm guessing when I looked in the in the change bag, it looked like there was probably $100 in the change bag. Wow. He is trusting people. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
And they were very very lively lobsters. So anyway, tonight I am really at a disadvantage because I don't have a copy machine and I'm so so let us let us have a nice quick meeting tonight if we can.
I'm all for that, Dick. Good evening, everyone. Hi, Bill. Hello, Bill. Hello. So, the first thing is is minute from from June 3rd. Are we okay with those?
Yeah, I didn't really review them thoroughly, but I'm I'm sure they're okay if you guys took a look at them. Then they're approved. Okay. The next one is is Colleen's time sheet for 61425.
It's a normal 70 hours. Are we okay with that? That works. Yes. And I am too, Colleen. So that's approved. Okay. The money turnover is $1,110
this this period. From that 750 is from permits, 310 is from licenses, 50 for fees. And that's it. Coming out the $1,110. Are we set with that? That That's good.
Yes. Okay. Colleen has got a purchase order into to uh Quinn Quil and it's for pens, thick correction tape, post-it note,
postit, uh flags, soft soap, and copy paper. It totals $12712. Are we okay with that? I didn't think people use correction tape anymore, but that's okay. That's
what I was looking. Yeah, I do sometimes. Do you really? Yeah. Do you I have to ask you, do you have a typewriter, too? No, no, just, you know, um I don't know. I tend to use it on stuff
I'll I'll print out or whatever and then if it's just a minor change, you know, it just The next one is for a recreational camp for summer of 2025. This a license for McDuffy. What do they
do every year? Are we okay with that one? Yeah, that's good. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I am too, Colleen. That's fine. Okay. That's one of three licenses. Food establishment, retail food, and then frozen dessert for wine
house. That's I've got a question. When we get on these two, Colleen, this one goes to December 17th and the next one for happy days goes for December 31st. I wondered what the difference
with the the Wait a minute. What? Uh, wait a second. Let me just look at those. license issued. [Music] Oh, that was that that was when the original licenses were issued last
December for Winehouse and now it just was being extended where it says expires in December, but it was originally uh because you
Right. But this this one maybe I read it wrong. Does it? Usually I make copies, but since I can't make copies here, is it does it go to December 17th or December 31st? Uh, December 31st. December 17th was last year when he
first applied. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, this one we had held up because we were waiting for him to make substantial progress on that on the septic system and he does have the tank. Did you did
you get in touch with with the plumbing inspector to see if in fact he connected anything up? I did and Fred hasn't been over there. And Jim did come in to get a plumbing application, but I haven't seen
him come back to submit it and Fred hasn't been over there. License right now. We go to what? The 30th of of June. Yes. What do we want to do? Do we want to
grant that and and just assume that since he got the the plumbing permit and he spent that money to put the tank and the pipe in that he's going to finish it up? Dick, why don't you ask Tom Quinnland? Tom's here. He probably has some idea what what Fred's doing.
Tom, can you hear us? Yeah, I'm trying to get my profile this time, my video since I have have it working. Um, I did speak with him this today. He was in the office. Um, there is no plan for a bathroom or anything inside yet. However, a week from tomorrow, I'm
meeting the design professional to, you know, finalize a plan and I'm assuming they're going to pull a permit for the bathroom and that inside at that point. Um and there's a few other um for the change of use issues that he's going to uh address with me on uh week to Wednesday, but no no coming permit as of
yet. Okay. Thank you. Yep. So do we. I'm not I'm not anxious to bring this thing to
the to the 11th hour. when when Jim is has made, you know, the the lion's there, the work, at least the tank part is done and the pipes are there. So, what he's what he's really
doing, he's not going to be doing the toilet. What he's going to do is he's going to be tying in the sink and I don't know what whether he's got a dishwasher or anything, but but the kitchen waste is going in that set up
and that was run to the edge of the building and there was a a pipe that ran to where his I'll call it fanny cans. They're not really fanny cans but but his portable toilets, let's call it. So
that pipe was there and he said that he was going to hook up to that but in reality I'm not sure what the mechanism if you look at a portable toilet
is really I think set up to go to flush into its tank and then get pumped out of you know a three or 4 inch pipe I'm not sure how that easily gets hooked
up to a a sub tank. So, what are what are we going to do with what's the what's he asking for, Dicky? An extension until the end of the year. Well, that's what that's what we said we would do when he was when he was hooked
up. But but maybe you maybe you do it for another month and ask him to come and talk to us to see what he's planning to do because part of this was he was supposed to have a plan, also not just put the tank in.
He was supposed to have a a plan with milestones to get this thing done. Yeah. Tom, what sort of fixtures do you anticipate him having putting in on the system? I'm not sure. It's going to be whatever. You know, I think you'll have a part in
it for the signoff when they do um submit the the final plan for that. Yeah, he'll have the toilet and the sink in the laboratory. He's probably got a sink in the bar area, right? He might have a miscellaneous. He told me he was
building a toilet in the dish. What? What? Dick, I didn't hear that. He told me he was building a toilet addition. Oh, okay. So, it'll probably all have to be access. Yeah, it'll be have to be accessible and and meet all the
requirements there. So, I don't think it'll be done in a month. I just wanted to just give you a heads up on that. Yeah, that's really unlikely. So, so right now there's no plum, no plumbing going into this tank whatsoever. There
is there is there is one line that runs there's a 4 inch line that runs from the building which is this pitching way. So it goes to the from the east side of the building goes straight to the tag and then
there's a a lateral that which let's see 10 ft from the tank and it runs over to that general location of this portable toilet.
But it was just a it was a lateral with a an elbow and a vertical pipe. My my guessing is there's probably a fair amount of plumbing that needs to be done. They got to do vents. They got to do all kind of uh other other details.
And like Tom says, it's probably going to take two or three months for this to get uh executed the field. I'm guessing that he he does that. So Dick, why don't we call Why don't we bring Jimmy into the next meeting and
have a chitchat with him? That's all to get him into a spot that that his permit is going to expire. I don't want that to happen. Right. So there was going to be a 2,000 tank gallon tank is in the ground. There was
alo also going to be a 1500 from the house. Is that right? Oh yeah. That's a that's at a later date when they do the leech field. Right now, he's just using it as a holding tank. Yeah. Which is not it's not legal. The the way this system is designed, there's
a 1500 from the tank, but then because this is a 2,000gallon tank, he needs a second tank in series with this. So, so this is only the first of the two tanks. And
it would seem it would seem that that having him get another month extension or two months extension and ask him to come in and tell us what he's doing would be the appropriate way to do
it. Yeah. Yeah. Again, we're not going to close him down obviously, but let's have Tom, let's have Jim be proactive in the communications uh end of it with us and come in and chitchat with us. That's all. So, how how long do we want to extend
this his permit? What's he asking for? Well, he we're the ones that were saying we're only giving them to the 30th of of June and and this is just an automatic thing
that Colleen got to say, okay, you did your work, we're going to give you to the end of the year. Let's get Would you want to extend it to Labor Day? I'm fine with that. So you go to the 1 of September, give them a chance to get in and talk to us to give us a what he's
going to do. It gives enough chance for him to do some work before it's winter time. So we we give them to That's more than reasonable. Give them to the first of September and ask Colleen to get in touch with them to
get on our next agenda. That's right. Good. That makes sense. So that's what we decided. Okay. So the next one is the So that's for all three of those. The next one is is also
the same three and it's a food establishment, retail food and frozen desserts for happy days mini golf to the end of the year. Are we set with that?
Is that establishment in operation now? It just opened again. Oh, it did. Okay. Okay. Because because I know the the uh turf grass out back in the driving range is kind of overgrown. So, I'm Okay. So, he did just It looked like a putting
range rather than a driving range. Yeah, it looks like Yeah, looks like a It looks like it needs some work. Okay. Okay. So, we're okay. All three of us are okay with that. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Okay, Colleen. Okay. The next one is a
10day emergency beaver permit at 134 Bachelor Street. And they're they're asking what Colleen says is they're asking for a partial dam removal. They
I guess they they claim that it's it's pretty bad flooding, but from, you know, just an aside, if you just go and take part of the dam down from the beaver, this is that's not
going to work at all at all. Our agent on conservation, Dick, our Dave Des, our conservation agent, went out there the other day and the water from the backwater from the dam is uh perilously close to the
leechfield. And I advised them they ought to put in a de a beaver deceiver, but apparently they just want to do a dam breach and they want to euthanize the beavers. I didn't I didn't see that that what
Colleen wrote is there was just going to be a partial, you know, demolition of the dam. But you think they are going to get rid of the beavers, too? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Which I which I'm not in favor of. I think putting in a beaver deceiver is a more elegant solution.
It's a few extra dollars and people don't want that, right? Well, they but they must realize that next year they'll be doing a similar request. Of course. Of course. That's why the beaver deceiver is the
long-term cheap solution. Right. Right. That's the whole point. But again, they they went through conservation, but the board of health is the governing body on this. So board of health has to issue the permit.
So do we do we give the permit and then advise them that we think that this is probably not the permanent solution that the beaver deceiver is the better solution? I guess we could write that into the emergency certification. Yeah, we don't
we can't demand that he does it, but in include that as a commentary in the discussion, Dick. Yeah. Again, I would love to see the I would love to see people around town putting these deceivers in and learn to live with the beavers then killing them,
breaching dams, and going through the same thing in a couple of years. You hear me? Well, are we are we Sally, what we're saying is that we're going to approve this. He'll have to tell you what he wants the 10 days to
start. And we'd like you to tell him that we think that that he's going to end up repeating this and that we believe the proper solution is to to put in the beaver deceiver. Okay. Yes. But the but
the permit conditions clearly say that that he can if he wants press the beavers and and knock the damn down. Okay. Okay. So that's what the three of us said
correctly and still. Yes. Yes. Yep. Okay. Okay. Tell me can you hear me? Hello. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes. Who is this? This is Andre. That's actually my house you're talking about right now.
I am all in favor of the beaver deterring trap and all that to keep the beavers around, but as the solution for now would be to have them removed because they're the flooding itself is getting worse and worse and I don't have
the time to have that put in at the moment. I am all in favor for that next year if they happen to come back. But right now, they're just destroying my yard and it's a huge inconvenience for me, my animals. It's
getting close to my leash field. You know, this is just the quickest solution right now. But later on, like as of next year, like you said, if they come back, I'm all in favor of putting in that deterrence. We did we did approve it and
you just you since you're here you have in fact heard that we think that you will end up redoing it and uh as you said you would like to try it and see if it worked and you're willing to redo it. Okay. Very good.
Okay. Good luck. Thank you for coming to the meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The next one is a permit for a new septic tank and a new debox at 93 Carver Street.
U what I didn't see and I should have read it better. Is this for a two compartment septic tank with a with a filter? Who's the designer, Dick?
Well, it it's funny. It's Betty signed off. It actually took the permit and he has who I forget who looked it since I don't have a copy of it in front of me. Yeah, John Kapinsky sent a letter with it with
the application. department tank with a a filter, Colleen. Yeah, the um Yeah, he's got paperwork here with it that um yeah, they mention a two compartment
tank on the application. Install a two compartment tank with debox. Um, so all replacement tanks, yeah, shall be two compartment tanks with affluent filters. That's what he
Okay, that's good. Very good. So, we're okay. The three of us are okay with that, okay, the next that we have is a title five at 23 Pine Brook Circle by Robert Norman
and it's a failure. Are we set with that? Yes. Set with that. Yeah. Okay. Colleen, I am too. Okay. Next one is complaint.
Uh, first one is Grabby Bow and Gun Club and it's for trucks going in and out. Uh, Sally, you did some followup on that. That's about you were told that it's just for routine fill that they're
bringing in. But yes, yeah, exactly. From my standpoint, do we does any time that anybody brings a truck in and out of anybody's property, does this end up being a a board of health issues?
I don't think there's any law against it. No. Um the the only question uh this was raised by Mr. Lamro through me. Um and I
thought because of the wet issues on that property uh some years ago there, as I recall, there was a request to document what was
being brought in. There was there was they were taking some something or they they were taking some kind of recycled material or something and and uh but I don't I think Dick they're
enhancing their BMS behind the uh the the pistol range the BMS. That's what he that's what the guy said that whoever the treasurer that Colleen talked to said. So, but in any it looks like it's a
complaint. Colleen followed it up and it turns out it's not a board of health issue that they're they're just bringing dirt in. That's right. That's a selectment that's a selectment issue. Yeah. But if they're putting it in the wetland, then it's a
then it's a conservation commission. That's right. That's right. Yes. The next one is 49 part. Go ahead. No. Um, are Colleen, did you determine
whether or not the club was under new, um, ownership or new management? Well, uh, the fellow I talked to is the treasurer, Bill Oman from Connecticut, and he said that, uh, because I used to
call, uh, or Deb would Deb Mercier Mercer would call when they had a truckload or whatever and, um, of something coming in and he said, "Yes, Deb and and I don't know who her husband is, whatever, they're not on the board
anymore." So this fellow um called and said anytime we had a question we could call him and he's the treasurer on the board. So okay. Yeah. Okay. Merciers aren't involved with the
project anymore. No. Oh okay. That was the one is a complaint from a neighbor at 49 Barton Street. That's the septic system that we have on record as
as having failed. And what what would we There there are a few of them that are like that, but we've got one on South
Street that's like that. We've got one on the corner of Pleasant Street and Barton Street that's like that. But this one apparently is is worse
than those others. This one is my understanding when the inspector went in, he said, you know, this one is a bad system underwater. Do we? And we've had it this complaint two
years. That's probably true. What's the last correspondence that we sent to these folks? We sent a letter last year, one year ago, um gave them 30 days to submit a design by
a registered sanitarian or professional engineer for replacement system. Now, um we haven't seen the design. I I don't know. Neil's got it or I don't think at the
very least we got to follow up. We should have followed up with a letter months ago, but we better follow up with a letter at the very least. way. Um, do we
repeat our past um, attempt or does our friends in Northampton have a different way of perhaps bringing some legal pressure into this? I'm not sure. Oh, well, you'd have to go to D. I
don't think the Northampton group would do anything. I think D' be the way to go. Okay. Well, all right. So then if we That being said, um should we send them a letter and CC D
into the same letter? Yeah, CC the D and advise these folks if they don't respond in 30 days, then the D is going to get involved. thinking that what since we already gave them 30 days, they don't even bother to
to send a note in, right? That we tell them that that we need them to be at make an appointment at the next meeting to talk about the repairs and be prepared to submit a timetable on the
repair. And if they don't do that, we're going to turn the the issue over to the attorney and and bring them to court. Right. That's fair. I wouldn't give them the 30
days. And I I think they ought to be talking to us face to face here. I agree. Yeah. The only thing that I think is odd about that, I believe that's a rental property, so the occupants are not the owners. Oh, it's a son though, I
think. Oh, it is the son of the owner. Okay. I That's what I've heard. Okay. Okay. That one should be sent by registered mail and regular mail. Yeah. We ought to authorize you to send it to
us for our, you know, with our signatures on it. Is that what we're doing, Bill and Lee? Yeah. Yep. Yeah, that sounds like a a good good procedure.
Okay. Oh. Uh, next week. Um, because I'll be off the rest of the week. I'll send you something, Dick. And if you can Okay. Yeah. Okay. Look at it. Next complaint is 76 East Street. Water
coming from a drain that the neighbor believes is gray water coming across the street near their well. Can somebody take a look at it? 76 East. Let's see where that is. That's on the
corner of South and uh Oh, it's right down the street from me. I I I guess I can go down there. You want me to go down there, guys? See what we've got there. All right. 76
East. Yeah, in your backyard, Bill. Yeah, I can walk down. I'll take the bicycle down the street. Okay. So, we'll do that. The
Oh, I know. That's That's Dwight. That's Dwight Witter's old property. I know that property. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I know that property. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go I'll go chat with the homeowner. So, what what is the allegation,
Colleen? How's it read? Uh, there is water from a drain that comes from across the road at from the I don't know. It's from the residence across the road. There's, I guess, 75 East Street across the way that comes across um
under the road and is dumping out on his lawn and it's near his well. Okay. Well, if it's if it's crossing the street, if it's crossing the street, it's probably a town it's probably a town easement, a
drainage easement. Yes. I'll I'll look at it and then we'll talk to Dave D. Roer about it. Perfect. That's fine. I I think I skipped something and it's in here someplace and that was our the regulations that we're going to look
at at the next meeting. It's in someplace in here and I don't have it written down. I just made notes and I know I read it and I didn't write it. Well, yeah, we're gonna you're going to address that next meeting, right? Right.
Okay. Yeah. The next one on discussions is the new Lello Road 43 New Lelo Road. They're putting on a a bedroom suite
including a looks like a living space, a toilet, an addition onto the back of the property. It looks like it was a three-bedroom house. It's still going to be a three-bedroom house. What I said to
Colleen was that this is a 40 to 50 year old system. And when you do that to the house, even though you stay three bedrooms, you definitely have done something to hide you to the the livability of the house
by putting in a a big go from a small bedroom to a big bedroom suite with a toilet. And that my thought is someone ought to at least look, you know, my at that age, my septic tank and debox were
both no good. And is is this a time that we just say, "Hey, someone just look at that septic tank and the debox and see if it's any good. It's part of this project." Hi, I'm Mark Georges, the owner of that
product property. Yeah. And uh I just I I just want to clarify that all we're doing because what I want to do is I want to take my laundry out of the seller. And if I don't know
if you have the prints in front of you, but I want to where my existing bedroom is, I want to put in a walk-in closet and the laundry room on the first floor. That's where the bedroom was. Now I just want to extend
you know, the bedroom that we already have. I'm not making a new bedroom. I'm not adding a bathroom. The bathroom is already there. Um, this bedroom is already there. I'm just shifting it, you know. I'm not adding anything new. But, um, you are you're adding a new wing to
your house. I am adding a new wing. Yes, I am. But, I'm not adding any, you know, other bathrooms or or bedrooms or anything because I'm taking one away. Well, the reason that I asked that that
colleague to to let the the three all three of us talk about it, mine definitely is one that that says I'm I wasn't looking for a title five inspection. I was I was saying someone ought to just poke in and say, "Is this
tank any good? And is the debox any good?" Just look at it. Okay. We just I had um had it come I I don't know the name of the company. He had Lour Wilson do a do a look see Dick Lour Wilson.
It's a thou it's a it's a 1985 system cafferelli. It's 340 foot trenches with a thousandgalon tank. I'm not concerned about the I guess you opened up the deox and found out the system was was no good.
It's no good. But I don't expect to find that. I really The soil soil should be pretty good there. Mr. George is all sand. Is your laundry going into a dry well or is it going to the system? It's going in the system. Okay. Well, Dick, if he's
moving it, it's going from the system to the system. So, there's no net increase in Q. No, there's not. I'm just saying that if you look at it, it certainly makes the house more desirable. It's a it's a a
thing that that I just after this age I don't understand why someone would say say I'll get someone in and just kind of look at it and say it's okay. We just had it pumped out. He said it
was fine. Yeah. I mean I think he pumped it on he's been pumping it on a two on a two-year schedule, Dick, I believe. Yeah. But like I said, I I had this guy. I mean, he came over and he looked at it and when we pulled the top cover off and
he said, "Oh, your level is is perfect where it's supposed to be." It was down, you know, like, I don't know, 6 8 in. He said, "That's perfect where it's supposed to be." He said, "If there was any kind of a problem, it would be up higher or you'd be getting them back." Um let's meet the Yeah, he he was saying
and I have a a paper here from them that you know the tank condition satisfactory meets local and health department health department codes then uh the service tech was saying operating and proper proper level
that's what I was looking for if you could send that in. We have it. I emailed it to you already sent it to us. I sent it to you guys. You sent it. I sent it. I didn't because I'm at the cape that I'm not
seeing that. I don't have a problem. That's what I was looking for. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. I didn't understand why you were. Yeah. I'm just looking at and it wasn't because of the leaf field. I wasn't afraid of that. I was just saying having just gone through it at my house with
that tank and that and that debox, they were both no good at that age. Yep. And I just said, see, it's a good time to be at least looking at it. But you have and as long as you have that satisfies my
concern. Okay. Okay. So right now um I I was with working with Tom Quinnland and uh so he has the the building permit for it. Um I have that septic pumpout report
and um I also talked with um Dave uh Dillitz Dol desolates talked with him and I have a letter you know approval on that. So, just sounding from what I'm talking
about, uh, what I'm hearing is it's it's approved from the health department as well. Well, no, we've the three of us have to do that right now and we've got to tell Tom that we're not going to ask for anything extra from you. We're not
that's Bill and Lee. I'm I'm fine with that. That we say just as Bill has said that it's it stays three bedrooms. It started free. It fades free. And they've looked at the condition of the tank and it it actually we end up with the
condition of the tank plus kind of a a backdoor answer that that we see that the leak field hasn't flooded either because the tank is right. And uh I'm okay with that. And I think we should tell Tom that he he doesn't need any more work from the board of health. But
Lee and Bill, what do you think? Yeah, I mean we've got the Wilson Lour report um and as Bill pointed out that should be a good good sand area. So it sounds like um all the pieces are in
place and it again we're not increasing we're not adding a bedroom andor a uh an additional bath so we should be okay. What do you think? You you concur? Yeah, we're good. Everything's good, Dick. Okay, Tom. Tom, we're all set then. We
don't need anything more from the board of health standpoint. Even if Tom can't hear us, Colleen, you can let him know. I He gave us He gave you the thumbs up here. So, good. Thank you, though. Okay. Thank you. Good luck with your project. Yeah. Bye. Now, thank
you. Okay. Good night. The next one is uh Colleen telling us that all invoices uh for 2025 have to be in by by 711.
Now still as long as we're let's say that but that's our that's not our next meeting but no but that is going to be a is that help me Colleen with a calendar. Are we
going to be in a a conflict with bills meeting on that? No. Uh the 11th is uh Friday the 11th for so I was getting those in by the next me uh the not the next meeting but the one after that the
middle of July that's usually when we do the invoices. So that meeting is going to be the 15th. So I think uh Bill Bill should be good because Bill's meeting we meet the eth. We meet the eth dick. We meet the eth. Yeah. Okay. So so we're
okay. Okay. Yeah. But are we saying typically at at this meeting in the last couple years we've said that there won't be any incumbrances allowed. Are we going to say that that
now we've got it? Chris Martin's gone, but he he uh I think gone. But but Chris was saying in the past few years, at least two years, saying there is really is no reason other than people
just not getting their their bills in and it causes a lot of grief to have incumbrances. So are we also going to say we're we're just not accepting them for the board? So our invoices have to be in by the
11th of July for for FY2. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So that means that Yeah. that means that that the building inspector I mean the plumbing inspector and also animal inspector as well.
So Colleen, if you could let them know. I will. Yeah. And Lynn. And Lynn, too. That's right. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay, we're we only have one more then I can I want
to ask Tom something. But Colleen has asked that that we allow her to carry over 40 46 and a half hours vacation hours to next year. Colleen, are we allowed to do that? Uh yes.
So, does it does it cause anybody any trouble? As it turns out, since you do this every every year, you really always take the right vacation. It's just these these hours that keep going forever and ever. Yeah. Well, no, I didn't. I
actually didn't roll over any I don't think last year. The year before I did, but I didn't. Yeah. But uh this year, yes, I have taken little, but I'm going to be using it for sure. So, it won't I don't have a problem with the
amount that we asked Colleen to be flexible as for Colleen to ask the us to be flexible here and and my view that it's a no-brainer. Of course. Of course. Bill and Lee, what do you thought? Of course.
How many year how many years did it take you to acrew the 46 and a half? Oh no, every year I just get uh the two weeks but um so it's just a matter of that I didn't take much vacation. So Oh, I see. Okay.
So the point is the fact that we have the fiscal year ending June 30th creates a bit of a problem because it's in the middle of vacation season. Yeah. Yeah. No problem, Dick. That's fine. That's fine with that. Yeah. Okay. Tom, going
back to to you that we've acted last meeting, we gave Colleen the sign off authority for for the plumbing inspector work, but you guys were supposed to get back to us and tell us how the the
finances were going to be held. and number. Please reenter your bleeding ID followed by pound. I'm not sure who's doing that, but but I don't in fact I don't even see it.
But okay, that Tom that there's an issue that you guys were going to work on that how the how the building how the plumbing inspector budget gets held gets uh accounted for whether it stays with us
by how the inspection fees get set. So the whole financial part of this was left up in the air and you guys were going to get back to us. So it all fit together. Uh we actually Mr. Mary and I talked
with Chris and basically said it it goes in the same, you know, same pots or whatever. So I'm going to speak to the new administrator is getting settled in and I'll speak to her to make sure you know the best way. He said it's not an issue because it went into a separate
line anyway. Um, okay. But, uh, you know, any suggestions you you want them to do it, let me know and and, uh, because it'll be I'll have to put the turnover in through the program um, you know, for it, however, however you, you know, suggest you want to do it. Yeah.
What for instance the place that you could get into tons of trouble is let's say we carry the budget that we've just submitted that that's based on an inspection rate of of $35 per
actually I think it may be six whatever he's got it set up to do but it's the current rate and let's let's assume that that we he says you know this is safety that this could be gone. We could move that
to $100 and you guys say, "Okay, that's what the new fees going to be." And you guys set the fees and we set the budget and they don't mask together. That's that comes out tons of trouble for us.
Gotcha. So, I'll definitely let anything anything you know they decide, we'll go I'll let Colleen know for sure. Um, but they they're all set. I had gone, you know, before the uh select board with the fees for the, you know, the gas prior in that. Um, and I but I know the
two plumbing and gas inspectors would like a little more money. So, next year we're probably going to have to go ask and if I have your support and we go, that'd be great. Yeah, it I would guess that it it needs to be if if you're going to keep these people
working for us, you can't have them work for free. And that $35 is working for free. I wish it is. I wish they had said it before we went I went in front of the board, you know, a month ago that they wanted it and but he mentioned it the
other day. So I said we're going to have to get on the agenda and all go in and support it, you know, next year if we could. Yeah. So what else what else do we have here, folks? We we have two folks uh in the
corner. Irish. We have Irish here. Yeah, you have the Sheridans from 74 Aldridge. Yes. How can we help you? Well, uh Neil Jackson had told us he got the plan in for this week's meeting, the revised
plan. You folks were out on the uh 21st was it? Or the 30th of uh May looking at the property and and talked with Neil about revising the plan. Told me a week ago he revised it. So my understanding is it was on for tonight. In fact, we
got a invitation to the Zoom for tonight. Uh so we're just waiting for that to come up. What happens is is I am away for four weeks. Well, it's actually not a full four weeks and I'm the one that does the
reviews and Colleen was supposed to let people know that this last week wouldn't have any septic system review. Yeah, I did let Neil know. I don't know cuz Neil isn't on the agenda. No. Yes, I didn't. Yeah, I did let them know. Mhm. Neil.
Yeah. You had a conversation with my wife. That's where the misunderstanding comes from because we we were understanding that you were going to be able to but that Neil could submit it. So that's you submitted it electronically. Is it
is it a problem that that the two weeks is going to cause a lot of trouble for you that when I look at he he made the design exactly what we had suggested that he do. So I it's not
a problem with the design. the uh our property was going to be listed uh for this weekend. Uh based on our understanding it was get it was uh going to that even though you were aware that you it was going to be submitted
and that it was in line with what everybody had reviewed. So it getting held up. Yeah. the realtor can't put it on is reluctant to put it on and I understand why without um the plan being approved though that does set us back
considerably into the into the real estate season. Yeah. Let's figure out how we resolve that. Bill and Lee, how do how do we Dick Dick? Was this the property you and I did the deepole observation? It is. And
what Neil did is the it already had a pump. We already had gone through the sizing that was all done. The we had an issue with not knowing whether the soil was that we knew enough with the soil
with the slope going up in the back. We did that. What we did is go out and say, you know, by by using the turning the orientation around It makes it so we didn't have to put all that fill in. We didn't have to build
the wall. We made it so it basically blends in with the property without really being able to see it. It reduced the cost. It changed the the appearance. It was a big pain on the impact of the
of the property. The neighbor was very happy not to not to have a wall along his driveway. So, it was a right a win-win solution. But but how do we how do we get this thing?
Colleen, can you send Dick an electronic copy down the Cape? I do. I can look at it. I I did I did look at the thing. I just did that. I don't have the time to do it and but but
I don't since since I have reviewed it and done the technical part of it already I don't find if we said we've approved the design and if if we had to get changes it's
if we had to get changes done we could get changes done but I don't think there's any changes at the pump. The O'Neal's already got the thing set up for the water table. I don't think there going to be any changes, but I I don't want to leave this thing in a spot that
that at a time when you could move a house that we should be losing two weeks on that. That That's Did he make his breakout distances horizontally? It looked to me like he did. Okay. Now, I didn't go through all of it, but it it
looked to me like like it it was fine. It doesn't need to have a reserved area because it's a repair, right? I think that what we do is we could we could approve the design
here. We just approve it. They can say, the owners can say, "We've got an approved septic system design, title five septic system design, and then by the time it gets
time to construct, it's not going to get built in the next two weeks." Right. That's right. But what it does is it it ends up with with the sticking point being there that the real estate agent could say it's an approved design. If it
needs technical tweaks, we can have it have it tweaked. That's all. Okay. Lee, what are you thinking? I I don't want to leave these people hanging like No, but but it's the best of both worlds. Okay. So, Colleen, we're going to say
that this design is approved. Okay. And so now that becomes a a public record. It's in our thing. It's in our record that it's approved. So you and your real estate agent can say that it's
there's an approved title five repair for the property and then you can actually go if you want to go out and get prices and things you can you can get prices. You can do all sorts of stuff and by the time you're ready to to
build it, we'll go I'll go through the rest of it home. I know it's not it's I know the way Neil works and I know you know he was already close to there and after he talked with us he said I'll make this
change and when Neil makes the changes he makes the changes it's not filled with surprises and and and as a board we don't tell him that we suggest these changes and we agree and then he makes the changes and we say oh we change our
mind that's not what we do we appreciate that very much. Oh, that could that could at least get you and and your real estate people and and and you can get on with your your
sales effort and and whatever moveins there are at our and we'll take we'll take care of it and but you can truthfully say it's been approved. Excellent. Thank you very much. Appreciate you taking care of that tonight. Thank you. Bye. Thank you very
much. Good night. Now, we're are we at the end of what we're going to be discussing? We have Donna Wy there. Well, we I am not hearing you, Donna.
Donna, you have to unmute, ma'am. I don't have you muted. I haven't no voice. Got to hit but you have to unmute. Can Yeah, she has to unmute herself there.
Uh oh. Sounds like her microphone. We know what this is in reference to. I don't. Yeah. You know, I don't see any icon for muting with her either. No, I don't either. Sounds like you're I think you're unfortunately, Donna, you've got
a a problem. You maybe you could maybe call in, but we're ready to we're ready to close for the night, but but we we you're not on the agenda. We don't even know what you want to be talking about. And I don't know that you're you hear
us. Must have a a driver problem on the computer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, our our hands are tied on this one. Yeah. We can't reach out and undo that. Uh
Yeah. Okay. situation, unfortunately. And I can't, you know, when I use my icon to to see to see her, it's Oh, she's calling in. She's calling in. So, let's see. Let's see.
Can you hear me now? Now I can hear you again. Awesome. Okay. Very sorry for that technical glitch. I I apologize for that. Um so thank you for making the time and for your patience while I got signed in from another device. Uh I was
actually at the conservation commission meeting last week and Mr. Shaheen is the one that uh suggested that this was the right venue to bring my question about the Red Fire Farm uh construction pro project at 34 Carver Street. Um, I'm not
a directab butter, but I'm right behind the direct butters and I understand that I am in an aquafer recharge area and I just want to make sure that um the
the septic and the well projects that are going forth over there are not going to have an impact on my property. Is this the right venue to speak about that and make sure that's being attended to? Yeah. Yes. Dick Donna and a and a bunch of her colleagues from the uh
Carver Street area came before conservation last Tuesday and I did ask her to attend this meeting. And it does appear that Redf fire is in the zone two. And of course the zone two is kind of like a paper zone because those
public water supply wells have yet to be built. And of course that was delineated about 40 years ago. But that's beside the point. But Dick, she might want to know what's the status of the Red Fire Farm septic uh uh review. At this point
it has not been submitted for review but it but uh other than what we've seen as a board the a question would be I guess Tom is is here
and as a I think it that's a zoning issue. The first one is a zoning issue. Tom, you probably don't know about it, but some time ago, like Bill said, 40 years ago,
there that section of town ended up being designated as a potential water source for the town, for drinking water. And so they've got a a an area
that's delineated. And Bill From our standpoint there, they talk about the the size of the the lots, I believe, is what happens. I think the lots have to be two acres or something in that area, but I think I'm not sure
how it's handled because year and a half, but you're right that that whole that whole criterion is focused on regular residential construction, not commercial construction. And the intent is to minimize the amount
of nitrogen loading on the land. Now, the interesting thing about being next to a farm, my opinion is the amount of nitrogen you get out of a leaf field is a drop in the bucket compared with the nitrogen you get from farming operations, right? And that's what we
talked about at the last meeting that they were at. said it because we said that we weren't going to make that system be a nitrogen reduction system because it's it's minuscule compared to the nitrogen that they're putting all
over the the surface, right? So, so I there are a couple non there a couple issues. One is the the one that Tom's gonna end
up with. When I say Tom, Tom Tom, you can't see. I don't think Donna, but maybe that that our building inspector is is on with us and he is the zoning enforcement officer.
And so the question I as I look at the whole area, the whole development that that Alan Kapala and the Bowski not no the Shellasi properties I think those are all one acre lots I don't think they're one and
a halfacre lots I'm not positive and I'm not sure where the delineation occurred for the groundwater discharge area and I'm not sure when I look at the maps
I'm not sure what those however if you look at wealth is a is a different story. The the the intent at the time 40 years ago was that
that was going to be a shallow water supply system. So basically all of the water in the that's in the high water table area and sitting in stand and gravel would be
available to take drinking water out of for the whole town. So since then the town has put a graveling operation in that that area. But but your well I
believe your well is a bedrock well which is not it is not the the same aquifer that they're talking about in this groundwater recharge area. And if you also look at I'm not sure where your
house is, but if if you look at where the this system is, they haven't I haven't seen a groundwater gradient drawing, but water goes from the high
areas to the the low areas. So, if you look at the the wetlands that are for the actually Dick, there's a there's a goodiz perennial stream just south of this Red Fire Farm site. So, I'm guessing that the upper aquifer
flows to the south. Yeah, it should flow to the south and and uh basically it should be flowing in the same direction. I think that at that point I think that's Stony Brook there.
I'm not sure that that's what it's called at that point. Yeah, it's a tributary of Stony Brook. Yes. So that should be the direction that that that Lee would end up going in. So, I'm not sure where your house is
compared to that, but Well, we're on the opposite side of Carver Street behind the actual Abutters on Meadow Glenn. So, uh you know, there's a whole row of houses in between
us. I really don't which way that water flows on the on the on the brook. I I don't know. But I if you guys are watching this stuff, I guess I'm going to be satisfied with that. Uh I'm I'm just nervous of a
rubber stamp on it without somebody looking that at that and making sure it's not going to impact the rest of us or that aquafer recharge. Um, we're going to have to see that the next time we talk with those people when I do
the review, Bill and Lee, I'm going to have to ask them to add in that. In fact, Colleen, maybe you could you could reach out to them and tell them that that their
design has to and understand and include the protection that's required for the that recharge area. You can just tell them that. Yeah. And Okay. And Dick, a curious technical point is supposedly the edge of their
leechfield will be 146 feet minimum from their proposed public water supply well and the public water supply well is southeast of the proposed leechfield, right? So it's kind of right in the path. So if they're going to pollute
anyone, it's going to be themselves. Their water supply is going to be be a bedrock well, not in the not the shallow aquifer, right? So, they'll be sealed so they don't mix the two water supplies. Yeah.
Yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully in practice. But yes, Donna, that that it's something that that we absolutely will have to we've got Tom is is right here that that's the the zoning part is in his world. And then when I look at the
septic system design, I'll make sure that that they comply with the regulations. Awesome. In reality, is it ever going to be there? You're you're you're probably
looking at protection for the the water supply of the rest of the town. And my my guess, it's not my guess, my engineering belief is that it's it's not going to have anything to do with your
wealth. Okay? But but you should we should be saying, "Hey, that this is a legitimate thing in the town. If the town doesn't want that anymore, we should abandon the the classification and let people build the way they do in
the rest of the town." And if it's not something we abandon, then we should be following the rules that are set forth for it. And that sounds the two the two reasonable approaches, right?
Well, we'll rely on you guys to take it from here, but I appreciate you hearing the question and following up with them. That's awesome. Okay, Donna, thank you. Good to see you again. Thanks for coming. Good information. We appreciate it. Thank you. Good night. Now, thank you for bearing it with us for trying to
get your your voice done. Interesting information. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. Now, Tom, that's probably something that that you don't even know about right now. No, did not. And and uh one other reason I wanted to come on was just to give you a
heads up. There was a permit issued prior to me taking over and there isn't even a well in there yet with a test, water test or anything. I So, I just wanted to give you a heads up on that. I would have, you know, definitely required that. Yeah.
So, we'll we'll see where where that goes. They didn't tell us that there was a foundation permit in there, but that's what they said. It was a foundation permit. Our our concern and we've expressed it to them is that
at least we believe that they ended up doing their their land use, whatever they call it, grants or payments or whatever the state does that instead of looking at the property and say this is
what we want to do with the the property in in terms of commercial operation and start with an engineer and say what do we need for space and the whole thing with this and then come up with how much you're going to try to turn over the
state. They didn't do it. They did it backwards and say we're going to turn so much over and then came to the board of health and say, "Hey, we want you guys to change what you want because we don't want to get back to more of that
land that we need." and and uh and as a board we don't think that's the the right way to be doing things. You do it, you know, we've several of of us here
have run projects. Uh and uh that's you don't do that backwards. You do it in your planning stage and figure out what you're going to do and then you don't go and say, "Oh, the devil made me do it. Now you
guys fix it." Well, well, they're arguing that the project was grant driven. It was grant money driven. That's the problem. Yeah. So, so anyways, we're It's going to be done. It's going to be done right. It's not going to be done because someone says,
"Too bad. We we got our money from whoever, from a grant or the state or whatever, and they put this restriction on it. So now all the other rules are going to change and we're going to cut corners because we took too much grant money." Well, that's that's not going to
be what happened. We're going to do it the right way. And now that we understand Well, I don't understand it. We're gonna Yeah. And I'm not the the zoning person. So before I they get
through my stage of the review now, I will ask and say, "Hey, you have to go through the our zoning officer and figure out what it takes to to comply." Tom, have they applied for a planning
board uh hearing yet? No. I I actually got to speak with um oh my gosh, I'm going to forget his name now. Um uh he's he's the you know works on the planning so uh group there. Anyway, he called today about a couple things going
on and we're going to get together on it, but he agreed that I have to send I'm going to send them a letter because they agreed to at least do a site plan approval and we haven't had that submitted yet, but we went over the bylaws and that and he um agreed with me that that's got to be done. Ken uh Ken,
uh call me whatever it is. Pioneer the Pioneer Valley. Yes, I know who he Yeah, you're lucky to have him. He's very knowledgeable. Good. He's he's excellent. So, he had called on another situation with me and we discussed it for a while and looked it up and and um they still need to do site plan approval. You know, the parking is going
to be, you know, one of the big things. So, um he said, "Yeah, get that letter right out. You're you're right with that." So, I'll get that right out tomorrow. Wow. Okay, good. Okay, folks. That then we can we can go
and uh I'll go with the the rest of my vacation and and hopefully I enjoy the fishing, Dick. Yes, it was it was we got a a few fish yesterday and today we we uh
started off great. My first first cast I had two fish on and that was the last fish we got. And was it a keeper? Actually the the ones yesterday were keepers. We don't take any
there too few stripe bass around. And and the the limit on what you can keep is like one stick per person. That's 28 to 31 in or something. It it may be 32. I'm not sure. It is when you don't don't take any. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah.
We had some fun. We had some fun anyway. So, so anyway, we're we're having a good time and and uh I think the wind's going to blow on Thursday. So, yeah. Okay. So, anyway, thank you everybody.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you all. Okay. All right. We we really enjoy having you with us and I know it it makes you give up some time that that you can spend in a different way but but I really appreciate it. Tom Tom actually attends
conservation meetings in person, Dick. Wow, that's that's unbelievable, Tom. Thank you for doing that. Really, thank you. Well, have a good night everybody. Okay, thank you all. Bye now. You too. Take care. Thank you. Bye. Y Bye bye. Good night. Bye bye.