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Part 1 (Video ID: ZQ1Wq8nFPR0):
- 00:00:18: 72 Chabe Street Septic System Review and Discussion
- 00:05:58: Approval of Minutes, Time Sheets, and Treasurer Payments
- 00:10:35: Approving MVP Eats Food Server Subject to Inspection
- 00:14:05: Approving Mr. Bees Kettle Corn Vendor for Charter Days
- 00:17:45: Yuko from Cruz and Cafe Discusses Oil Disposal Plan
- 00:38:50: Responsibilities Clarified, Follow-Up Plan for Oil Disposal
- 00:43:15: Approving Cruis & Cafe Licenses; Food Establishment Delayed
- 00:45:36: Approving Temporary Food Permits, Granby and Once Upon Bakery
- 00:47:59: Approval of Septic Service Renewals: Complete and Walton
- 00:49:43: Discussion on D-Box Installations and Title Five Compliance
- 01:03:37: AI Assistance and Enforcing Design Responsibilities
- 01:15:20: Corrective Notices Responsibility and Licensing Concerns
- 01:21:46: Title Five Definition and Statement Regarding Neil and Bobby
- 01:27:15: Title Five Regulations and Stamped Engineer Statement
- 01:30:18: Outdoor Wood Burner Regulations Complaint Investigation
- 01:39:52: Complaint of Dust at Sinn's Hill Apartment to Housing Authority
- 01:46:10: 94 Chickpea Street Subgrade Inspection and Permit Extension
- 02:00:53: 94 Chap Street Building Approval After Outside Review
- 02:03:19: Rental Unit Permits Concerns and Policy Reconsideration
- 02:13:54: Adjournment and Political News Discussions on Social Media


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Okay, we are going. So, I we've only got the one the one system for for review and it's from Bobby. It's at 72 Chabe Street. It's a repair.

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So, it's complete system, three-bedroom house. The fee is paid, reviews complete. It's a a cleared and wooded lot. It's it's combined some of each. 48,000 square feet, deep sands, no

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observed water table or wetlands. The issue that that I had were that the existing septic system both the the tank and the SAS need to be removed. They and something for us to talk about is the

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septic tank that that Bobby's chosen specified is a a tank with anti-corrosion additive in the the concrete. The design is a new 1500galon two compartment tank

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with an outlet filter. There's two three foot by 50 foot by 24 in effective depth trenches. They're leveled. They're non vented. He's got 800 481 gallons a day

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provided versus 440 that we require. Phil is required um that Bobby said is requiring has prepared for water table separation. The 5- foot water table separation is there.

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No ballast isn't required. Uh the existing tank and SAS would be removed. Sil uh siltation control is is not specified. It's not needed here. There's no reserve area provided. The

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septic tank is specified with a non anti-corrosive concrete additive. The septic tank and the SAS separation the wells and wetlands is all greater than 100 ft. The things to discuss that that we have a

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French needed the fill is needed and that the thing that that we probably should kick around is is the septic tank concrete additive. Uh, I talked to uh Bobby actually told me about it and I'm

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supposed to go up to uh to Deerfield to to meet with Skip and they've got a couple different additives that are coming around that are supposed to prevent the attack of

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the hydrogen sulfide and to make it so these tanks are going to be a lot longer lasting. And I that's what Bob has gotten called out.

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I can't I told Skip that that I'd be happy to meet with He can't meet with me until after after tomorrow, but I was going to take a ride up there. >> Operation is like what's the company that does this, Dick? What's the name of the company?

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>> Uh I think it's called Underground Food. >> Well, that's Underground. >> It's Underground Supply Bill. >> Yeah. Bobby, are you going to that conference tomorrow? >> No, I am not. >> Yeah, cuz I was going to go, but I'm still coughing. But Dick, they're having a conference up in Deerfield or in

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Weightley tomorrow at Underground Supply in the afternoon. >> Huh. >> And I was going to go to the they're having a thing at the Blue Bonnet Diner in the morning and then after lunch they're going to meet at Underground Supply for the tour of the plant. >> That's interesting.

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>> Yeah. And too bad you can't go up there. I think they're going to convene up there at 1:00 or something. >> But um >> anyway, but it's good that they they're finally uh they're finally going state-of-the-art with some of the concrete formulations. That's great.

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So he told me what I what I did mention to him is I said if if I just look at what is being replaced from using soft data is it seems like deboxes are the things that we replace all the time >> right

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>> I don't I don't understand you know why they actually even play around with the debox with the concrete maybe you know just switch those to to polyethylene or something. Yeah, they they've been using the polyethylene for years, but they're a little more delicate to put in. You

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gota you got to bed them properly. They're somewhat delicate, but again, they solve the corrosion problem by definition. >> Yeah. So, that's what I have. Lee, you were you were there to on the

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the perk and what is your what is your thought? No, I'm looking at the print and uh I don't see any issues. Um the water is not an issue. Uh everything

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appears to be straightforward on this. >> Yeah. I don't >> Bill, are you okay with this one? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Very good. >> Okay, Colleen, we're okay with that. And Bobby, I guess I guess we're done with you.

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Well, thank you very much and uh have a great evening everyone. >> Okay, Bob. Good to see you. Thank you. >> Take care, Bob. Thank you. >> Take care. Byebye. >> Now, do we Colleen? Is is Lynn gonna be with us tonight? >> No. No, she's not. She called me today

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and she can't make it. >> So, we've got Lynn not here. We got Bobby Dunn. Uh then let's start with the the minutes of the meeting. I didn't have any changes for the the minute. Bill, you weren't

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here. Lee, what are your thoughts? >> Yeah, everything I read was uh what I recall, so I'm good. >> Okay. Then I've got

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Staline's time sheet is the 54 hours the new the new number for Colleen. Uh Colleen, is this working >> this schedule? >> Yes, it it does seem to be. I mean um I

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catch up pretty quickly. I mean, I get sometimes a lot of emails when I'm in on Wednesday, but um nothing that I don't get caught up with by the end of Wednesday. Um so, yeah. Yeah, it seems to be working okay for me.

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>> How about the the talk from your the office? Of course, that's going to that's going to be changing anyways by this what December, I think, is when uh when you're supposed to move. We're supposed to move, I guess, by the end of

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December. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But, uh, no, I mean, most of what I have occasionally someone will drop something off, but I mostly have a couple of phone calls and more emails than anything else. So, you know, uh,

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the guys looking for, uh, septic designs, you know, some of the guys and stuff like that. But yeah. >> Okay. No. Are we okay with Colleen's time sheet? We have not okayed. I >> I diverted. >> Of course.

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>> Lee, are you all set with it? >> Yes. >> Yes. Thank you. >> I am too. So that's approved. >> Yep. The next is I have to remember on new business to come back to to Jerry Codair on on I

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think 94 uh Chickpea Street, but not very far from what we just did. The next one is the payments to the treasurer and it totals $1,275.

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of that 475 is board of health permits, 400 is board of health licenses, 400 board of health fees, and that's it. Totaling the,275. Are we set with that?

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>> Yep. >> Bill, >> I am. >> Okay. The next one is the bills payable and it it looks like we've got two of them. One

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is the to looks like Colleen for postage for the barn books being sent out for $9.20. The next is office supplies the the

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quill. It's the ones that we had we had authorized the uh erasers the looks like low odor. I'm not sure what those are. >> Oh, that was a a white board. Uh

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>> a white board. Okay. >> The dry erase markers. That's what the low >> the 10 retract pack the or the pens the

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>> I think they the tissues we've got >> yeah and white paper the copy paper >> okay the white that's what that is eight and a half by 11 >> copy paper >> and that totals >> $9022 so the total of The the payables are

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$9942. Are we okay with that? >> Sure. Yes. >> Okay. Colle and I >> the next one I guess we'll come back to this one. This is Cruz and Cafe Happy

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Days that we're we've got the owner is coming to see us about this and we've held this one up. The next is MVP Eats by Patruno Place. That's at

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South Street uh Bamford. This is a food server, mobile soup food server. And that is uh they've got the as a place of business high place in South Hadley.

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There's a new a new vendor for us. Do we approve this subject to Lynn inspecting this one? >> Where is it, Dick? >> It's going to be at the wine house. >> Oh,

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so he's going to have a permanent >> No, he's one of these. He's one more of the vendors that are going in there. >> Oh, another food truck. Okay. >> Mobile food. Yeah. Dick, there is a zoom on the camera.

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>> I can see you. It just changed. So, what do we want to do with this one? Well, let's just back up a little bit. So, what's the story of Jim's what what does he have for wastewater facilities right now?

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As far as I understand, he's still using that 2,000galon tank that he's pumping out. So, he's he's using it with no discharge to the environment. It's a pump up. >> Okay.

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And he's got from the from his wine making operation. I think he's still using that that drywill that's that was left over from the county. >> Yeah, because he's under a consent order

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with the state, I think. >> And for for what? For that one and for the well, I think. >> Yeah, for Yeah. couple of things is under a consent order. Yeah, I think it's primarily the well. I don't know if it's anything to do with getting rid of

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the the grape waste, but I think it is to do with the well because I think he was deemed a public water supply well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because he met the criterion so many days a year, >> right?

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>> In so many so many uh customers. >> So, what do we do with this vendor? Well, again, how many other vendors does he have of similar criterion? He has a bunch, doesn't he? >> Yeah. I would

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Colleen could probably tell us for sure, but I would I would guess we're up above a half a dozen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He's usually got different people doing different events, so >> Okay. So, this this falls into that. So, that should be fine.

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So we'll >> So we'll give this to to Lynn to inspect so we we can approve this subject of Lynn doing an inspection. >> Mhm. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Okay. I agree with that too, Colle.

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>> Okay. >> The next one is just a renewal. This is Mr. bees kettle corn that he's from Chopi.

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Now, this one, Colleen, this one's subject to having when you wrote this, subject to having hot toilets and hot running water. >> He's uh because the charter days, all of

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them, I think we did with charter days that way. So he's doing getting this for charter days again. He did it last year. >> No, we had no charter day last year >> or >> two years ago. >> Oh, yeah, we didn't. It must have been

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the two years ago. I know we had it. Yeah, I know you had it in the past. >> So, here's the question. Are we having charter day this year? >> I don't know that. >> Uh, what did you ask the dates? >> No. No. >> Are we having is it gonna happen this year?

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>> Oh, yes. It's happening. It's like the 12th starting June 12th I think is that Friday and Friday, Saturday. So yes, they are having it though. >> That's why people are starting to bring in their applications for the flu. >> All right. So who's our local manager

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for Charter Day this year? >> Is it Crystal? >> No, I don't think so. I think it's that Randy Gavin that was involved with it the last time. >> Okay, >> that I think that's what his name is

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>> because again we have to coordinate with whomever regarding the water supply and the wells and the backflow preventers and all that sort of stuff. Can do you think you could get in touch

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with the select board and ask them to to open up a dialogue with this to so we can instead of having something that that the last minute we still got a couple months that we can be working on and and to make sure they've done water

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testing and the wells have been flushed and there were there was a fair amount of work that needs to be done Yes. >> Especially with >> especially since we've had a break in of a a year >> that someone could easily with someone

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different not knowing what it what's going on with >> with Crystal handing off on the last one two two years ago. >> Yeah. Because I remember couple years ago there was an issue with the toilets working in the pavilion, wasn't there? >> Right. about whether they were going to

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turn them on and it >> That's right. >> So, we we definitely need to to know how they're going to hook up the water to the vendors and and now because we've we had uh Fred went out, Fred Marian went out

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to handle that. Now, we don't have Fred, >> right? So, so there's real reason to to >> know what we're doing here and to to be proactive. >> Okay. >> So, if you could do that, Colleen,

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>> so in terms of this vendor, are we going to just we're going to approve this one also subject to the inspection? >> Yeah. Yes. >> Yes. >> Lee. Okay. Okay. Mr. All right.

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Now I am uh we are I'm going to break here and get back onto our our schedule. It's now 7:25 and I can I can see our 7:25

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appointment is here with us. So thank you for coming in and visiting today. >> Hi. Thank you so much for inviting us. I mean inviting me. >> Hello. My name is Yuko. Nice to meet you. >> Yuko is what your how you pronounce your name? Yuko.

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>> Yuko. That's right. >> Yuko. We asked you to we asked you to come in because we had we had concern with the septic system for your your operation that that it's a if you recall

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it it's it's a limited system. got limited capacity and that we've been very careful to work with you to make sure we don't overload it and we're we're specifically worried about about the frying operation

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and how you you intend in fact I think that that is the specific concern and how you're going to make sure that that your system doesn't get contaminated by with that oil. Yeah. So basically the uh

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used oil is going to be uh taken away from the uh by the company. So that's most of the uh oils we are going to use. And then the um like the other like uh kitchen equipment

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that I'm going to use with oils such as like a um the basket like a fryer basket or the tongs. Those are the uh I'm thinking to wipe off with the uh kitchen paper. Then throw the uh the paper away

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into the trash can. Then just then regular rinse and then with the soap uh and then with hot water. I think that's all. And then other like a serving plates. Uh we are not we are uh going to use the disposal one. So it's not going

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to drain anything. So I >> So your so your utensils and your your cooking equipment you would you would actually be removing all of the the the wet oils.

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>> Mhm. Yeah. Wiping with the >> paper towels. >> Paper paper towels. Yeah. >> Now Dick, that's a potential fire hazard. You got to be careful with that. >> Oh >> yeah. Because Dick, they should probably be stored in an airtight container

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because if you have air and you have wet paper or oil laden paper towels, you could have a fire. I don't know how we could mitigate that, Dick. But I think they'd probably want to put them in a special airtight container of some sort. >> Yeah. A metal airtight container.

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>> Yeah. Keep the air out. Then you won't have a fire hazard. So the the uh the paper uh towels the paper towels becomes >> flammable.

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Okay. So what airtight um trash can >> Yeah. But a metal a metal trash can so that >> Yeah. >> Good sealing cover that seals so air can't get in there and cause combustion.

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>> Oh, I see. Yeah, that's some that's a simple solution that's easily dealt with >> because in in reality that that's so that it should be segregated >> as long as it's part of the the cooking operation.

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>> It should be considered >> so that the the waste paper would be handled that way and the waste oil would be handled that. So that where does the the oil would just be you're probably going to pump out into a a container a

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waste collecting container. So the the whoever the the recycling company is coming to pick it up >> is going to going to pick it up and and pump it out. Where where would you do that? Are you going to I could

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understand you might get the the new oil in in five gallon pales or something, but what would the old oil be? >> So, I think I don't know I haven't had the chance to do it yet, but uh um I heard there's a container

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uh to put like I don't know how to drain the uh the oil. Maybe uh on the bottom of the fryer there might be a like kind of the um the hole and then it goes into the down and then I can put the uh the

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container. Yeah. On the bottom. I think that's >> my concern would be that you you should if you're going into that >> Yeah. If your if your plan is that they would assume

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and that maybe is a mistake to assume it that every person that that cooks in a fryator has to get the oil out. >> Yeah. >> So getting the oil out of a fryolator must be a reasonable there has to be a reasonable system in

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place because people just don't pour it on the floor. >> Of course. Yeah. So but but what you do with that someone you should be able to tell us I am doing this with that

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>> that that I'm again my my guess is that that a commercial company coming to collect oil >> is not coming to collect five gallons or 10 gallons. They're probably going to be taking it out as 50 gallons or or some

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number, which starts to be I would I would think that the fire department had something to do with with how you're storing waste oil. >> I think you'll pick that up in the building permit review process. I think

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Dick Evan Brian the fire chief will get involved and help out. >> I my feeling my feeling would be that that we should understand that it's it's a

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a question that we have is what are you going to do with the oil? How are we going to make sure it doesn't end up in the system into the septic system? You said it won't, >> but we don't have a clear path that says this is what I'm doing with it.

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>> We don't have that. >> Uh because that that's Yeah, I'm going to take care of that. So, um I don't have like other employee uh so far. So I'm the uh the responsible to uh see

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everything is going like doesn't go uh drain also then I can I'm going to ask to the company how to like um like take the uh oil out. I I mean I

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I have like a people who like um can ask like a first the my owner who uh took over the um the management I think um information from the previous

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owner. So I can also ask the previous owner through the uh my uh property owner. So anyway, so I'm the responsible so I can show you what I'm going to do but because I haven't uh done yet. So I

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don't know how to explain to you exactly what what do you need? Yeah. What I'd like to know what what you need to do. >> What I would be looking for >> Yeah. is for you to be saying

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this is the person who's going to be picking it up. >> Okay. >> So you would but bes but that's not all. So I would like to understand and I would like you to understand what you are going to be doing with that oil from

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the time you pour that oil in until the time it leaves your your property. What is it what is it that happens? who does what that do you does it does it go into buckets

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that are too heavy for you to pick up I don't we don't know that so somehow you need to just just as you're telling us now saying I don't know what I'm going to do I'm I'm the person that's going to do it oh

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>> yeah I haven't learned how to do it exactly but uh yeah I heard there is a like a uh the bucket And then the the company I'm going to ask uh to correct the oils is Western Mass uh rendering company.

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So they come like a regularly. So but I don't know how much oil I'm going to use and I don't know how to take out the oil but the company has a container. So there is a certain way I'm I'm sure it will be. So I

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>> Yeah. But if we just give you a permit tomorrow afternoon, you could pour the oil in and say, "I don't know what I'm going to do with this because I haven't contacted people yet." So, this is this is the part that we're concerned with.

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>> I think there's there's a local company that recycles it and they make biodiesel fuel out of >> That's I think that's what the >> Yes. Yeah. There's a biodiesel >> Yeah. >> vendor in the area that that you can contact. >> Yeah. I know. I'm guessing I'm guessing that that

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person is going to say you need to have a certain size tank. We know that the tank has to have containment around it so it can't spill into the ground that we pick it up when we get so many gallons and they're going to tell you

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you need approval from the the fire department to to store this and and uh because it it I don't know where it falls into. if if it were if it were in a company that I was working with

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before, they'd be calling it hazardous waste. And so so someone has to have that that stream, that disposal stream has to be

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in place that says, "Here's what we do. Here's where it gets stored. Here's the permits we need to have to store it." Uh, I don't know that you need I'm guessing you need a a fire department

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permit fab to run the fire the a commercial fryer later, but I don't know that. I don't know that you need a special fire system for this. >> There's Dick. Is there an ancel system in this facility? >> I don't know that. I don't that's what

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I'm saying that that we've got a a new operation that that's not that I don't understand and and I I think that that that Yuko

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doesn't understand it enough to be telling us about >> I don't know about the fire like a prior safety like I I I don't I didn't get any information about that. Yeah. When are you planning to when are you planning to start this? You

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>> um sometime in May. >> Well, we've got we've got some time. Why don't why don't we have you look into it, understand what this is, talk to the the fire chief, find out. I But I would

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start I would start with the oil rendering company. I'm guessing they know every single thing you need to know. They already know. >> Yeah. >> Actually, so it's very like the company

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that I contacted, they said they are going to pay me um to uh give the o you oil like a used oil. So because they are going to use that oil for the bio like fuel or something. So I think I'm um

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very like you know I'll be um on the willing to to give as much as oil possible just you know by doing this. So, >> why don't we why don't you look into why

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don't you look into it and ask how Oh, you don't want there's a problem. We're not meeting we're not meeting in two weeks. So could you list up what I should look for like exactly and then I can actually

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uh send a email uh then like detail I can give you information. >> What we're looking for from you >> is how how the oil >> Yeah. goes from the fryator from the

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time that it becomes used oil in the fryillator. What is its path? Who does what? Where does the oil go? Who how does it move from the fryillator to the time it leaves your property? How

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did what is it? What happens to it? How does it get stored? Who does what? It's the process that says from a you used oil in my friilator, from hot oil in my fryilator until it leaves my property,

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who does what, how does it get stored? So it that it's very clear to everybody that this is and all the pieces if if you need permits, if you need containers, if you need containment,

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spill containment, all the things that are needed to make that happen safely. >> Yeah, I can, you know, get the information from the uh the oil company. >> I think so. I think so.

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Okay. So, can I uh send an email? >> I think that would be a a thing to to do to send it to Colleen. >> Yeah, >> I will do that. Yeah.

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and to since this is going to be trying to anticipate not getting us a business in trouble letting since we're not going to we're not going to now meet >> until Colleen when is it that we're

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meeting like the fifth or something >> the fifth >> the fifth so so that any kind of problems that we discuss in the fifth are right smack in the middle of trying to get this business open. So, we shouldn't wait till the 5th.

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It seems to me that that we ought to be able to to one of us that that uh if we want Bill that if we want you to be the one or Lee, you be the one that

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that watch this through to make make sure and and dealing having Lynn deal with it. My concern is Lynn may not be the right person, although she may be a person that knows exactly how businesses and oil handle waste oil.

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>> Well, should we start uh could Colleen possibly uh hook up with Lynn email or something and at least open the conversation? >> I'll give her the heads up. Yeah, I'll I'll let Lynn know what's going on. Yeah.

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>> And she'll she'll know whether or not she's up to it, you know. >> Yeah. But somehow we have to we have to give one of us, the three of us the authority to be working with Yuko and and Lynn as

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a board member to keep this thing moving to speak for the board. And we should just assign that tonight. >> So, how comfortable do you feel with with this? >> I think I could I think I could work

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with her on this. >> Well, Colleen, that's what we'll we'll do. Lee, do you or Lee, do you want to do it? Um, I can tell you what, why don't Bill and

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I uh tag team this thing. >> Problem is that you get and >> you're going to get in a conflict with the open meeting law. That's the problem cuz you're >> No, what I mean is if if if if Bill has

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a commitment or I do um then we could instead of Bill showing up, I would or vice versa. >> Yeah. >> Uh just to keep uh tabs on a as needed basis. And my guess is that Lynn has already

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been through a similar scenario. um of this because as I understand it and I could be wrong but there's a pretty decent market um for the retrieval in the remanufacturing

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of uh >> there's a fellow in South Hadley Dick I forget his name but I I I worked with him on a project about 10 years ago but there's a guy in South Hadley that this is what he does he collects the waste oil and they refine it and sell it to

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the fuel services or whoever they people burn their oil burners. >> As long as as long as you two guys >> don't end up talking together about this thing, you're free to talk to Lynn,

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>> right? >> And have you individually uh just deal with Lynn. What you can't do is have Lynn be the conduit that you talk to each other through Lynn. That's

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an open meeting law violation. >> Right. That's right. >> So So >> as long as you guys are dealing with Lynn and Lynn knows how to do it then then and and you hand it off to Lynn. If you

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start Bill, if you Colleen, if you start this with Bill and Lynn >> and then Lynn knows that she should go to one or the other and say, "Okay, this has been handed off." >> I think we're right. I think that Lynn

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knows exactly how this thing done and Lynn knows exactly where there has to be fire extinguishers. >> Yeah. What what I would do, Dick, is I'd talk to Evan, the fire chief. I'd work with him. >> We We can work with another department without a conflict of interest. >> Without that,

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>> yeah. So, I can work through the fire department and Lynn and Lee can do the same and we can get it done that way. But I think key and critical is communications with the fire department on this one. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I think you're right. That's who's going to be saying this is the

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>> right >> because we're moving out. It's not We've moved from being a problem with the septic system to now we're moving into the the issue with handling of of waste soil. >> That's right. >> And it's not a board of health issue. It

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it really becomes the fire department issue. >> Right. Yep. Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. We'll get it done. >> Okay. >> Okay. You go. >> Okay. So, that's what we're going to do.

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So, so we've just gone through this Yoko so that you don't end up losing a month right now. >> We would like So, so your responsibility is that is to get your oil handling

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person so that so that they can reach out, get back to Colleen and we'll get the fire department involved. Let's let's make all of those pieces fit together. So that again the I think the royal Lynn

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being our health inspector for the restaurant is going to know about this but the person that absolutely is going to know the most about it is the person that handles the oil. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So that that that's your best resource.

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one call to that person is probably going to get this whole thing that are three quarters resolved at least. >> So I am going to uh contact the uh the oiling the waste uh oil company and fire

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department also. Yeah, I would I I think what >> Yeah, the the fire department, but I think that the oil person is going to tell you at least from his end what he

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needs for the fire department, but I think you'll you will need to talk to the fire department probably through maybe Lynn can help you. Lynn Dess can help you because she she does look at

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fire at frierators and she does understand what she normally sees for fire suppression system. >> So the Yeah, I don't know uh about it. Lynn, I haven't met her.

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>> Colleen can Colleen can can get you hooked up with Lynn. >> Okay. Okay, great. Yeah. So yeah, is this uh meeting recorded right? >> So I I couldn't get the some part. So maybe I can uh get back to listen again

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and then or do you have the Colleen has like the minute or >> maybe you'll have the the minutes but the but I'll release Colleen. How fast do the recordings end up getting up online?

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it just I'm I'm not sure how quickly they actually get I think it just depends on who's working when there and stuff. Um but they seem to get on there pretty pretty quickly. But if you send it to me, I can always um email it to

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Yoko. Uh yeah, >> Dick, I just put captioning on this new computer and the captioning works pretty well. So, it's catching everything we say and transcribing it. >> Okay.

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>> And when I put you on the list, Colleen, you can you can then you get a hold of it. It doesn't have to go on to the on the website, the town website. You get it. >> Uh goes on to the community access

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YouTube. Um I think you send it you send it to community access, right? But you >> send it to you. >> You've sent it to me. Um, so but I noticed they do show up on, you know, on the but I'm not sure how

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quickly. But if you send it to me, I can always send it to her. So >> Okay. >> Yeah. For sure. >> Okay. I should be able to do that tomorrow morning. >> Okay. Then I'll get it to her um through her email. Yep.

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>> All right. That's what we'll do. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you, too. >> Good luck. We'll get through this. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Bye. >> Bye. >> Bye.

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So now if we go back, we made it as far as the you know what what we can do canen we

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approve I guess it's difficult to prove this this Cruis & Cafe has has what three different licenses. >> One is a operate a food establishment. I guess that's the one that we haven't

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done license to sell retail food. And then >> frozen desserts and ice creams. I guess since it's the it's the food establishment one that that's kind of held up. So, I guess it doesn't matter

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to to approve an ice cream one at at this point. But, if we do this right, we're gonna be well in front of her needs. >> We'll get the >> Yeah. >> What's her address for this facility, Dick?

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>> Uh, 172 West >> 172 West State Street. So, it's across from Chatau Harmony. It's the driving range. >> Oh. Oh, it's the old Happy Days. It's It's What's his place? Oh, okay. Right. >> I I thought some other folks came in and

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were going to run it a few months ago. >> It in fact I the last group that we talked about I think was a couple, wasn't it? >> Yeah. I don't think it was Yuku. I think it was someone else. It was it was another couple. And that was >> She is just He's still the owner though

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or those two are still the owners. She's just managing >> Oh, okay. >> the food part of it. >> Okay. She's got to be the operator then. Okay. >> Yes. And I think last year he didn't I don't know if he ran the food. He did get the permits of course, but >> Okay. >> Uh he more or less did the ice cream, I

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thought. >> Um but now he's got he wanted I think he was looking for someone to to come in and manage that food part. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, let's go back in that we've got the temporary food license for

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Graanby Preservation Society for Maycraft there on five 59. >> Mhm. Yep. >> Wait. And a and a rain date of May 16th. Are we okay with that one?

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>> Yes. >> Wish Gramby Preservation Kellogg Hall. Mhm. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, they're serving food in Kellogg Hall now. >> Is that right?

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>> No, they do a uh I think they do the craft fair and it's like outside. So, >> it's outside. Yeah. Because they have very limited plumbing in Kellogg Hall. Yeah, they they do out the grill and they have fire department come and everything. So, yeah.

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>> Have they done this before, Colleen? >> They have. >> Yes. >> Then I'm okay with that. We We've had a history. Lee, are you okay with this, too? >> Oh, yes. Yeah. Thank you. >> Okay.

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So, the next one is a This is the certified Colleen. This is once upon a a bakery is a license for a one day temporary food permit. >> Yes. It's just baked goods. Nothing time

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or temperature control. Just a B. And she has a licensed uh residential kitchen in South Hadley. >> That's right. This now we've got a Why do I have one day for May 9th? Oh, they're

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different days. >> Yeah, there's two different. Right. One was >> 26. >> Okay. Those two days. >> Two days. Yep. >> Now, that one, Colleen, when we discussed it, this is this is a

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one of the things that there's no food going to be made on site. This is only selling food that she makes in a licensed kitchen. >> Yes. And this is non this is non-hazardous

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food besides that's what you >> Yes. No temperature or um time controlled. I mean nothing that would go bad or anything. Yeah. >> And it made in a licensed kitchen. So,

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>> I don't have an issue with this. The Bill and Lee, what are your thoughts? >> Yeah. No, no, that's fine. >> Yeah, I think we should be good. >> So, we're okay with this one, Colleen. >> Okay. The next one that I have

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is a renewal for this is complete septic service LLC in Belgtown. This is a disposal work installers permit for this year. >> Just a renewal. Are are we okay with

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this one? >> Yes. >> Yep. Who is it? Who is it, Dick? This is um complete septic service. I didn't take down who is who is the

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actual owner of this one. Do you know >> Jason floor? >> Oh, okay. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Jason, >> I'm okay with that. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> I'm okay with this too, Colleen. Okay, >> the next one is Walton Excavating

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another renewal for disposal works installers permit for this year for Wayne Walton. >> Are we okay with this one? >> Yeah. >> Yes, >> I am. I am too.

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>> The next one is actually an application for a a debug. This is for JP. That's It's for Neil.

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>> Neil. >> The installer is Greg Everson and the designer is Neil Jackson. However, it does say

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that over on the side it says J&P Engineering Services, but also Compagna RS. Now, that what Neil has got. I'm not exactly sure

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how this thing works. So, Neil has got a license to install the D boxes. I'm guessing that it's it however the code says that someone with a a

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stamp is supposed to a sanitarian or engineer is supposed to have said I've reviewed this not designed it just reviewed it and Neil doesn't have that stamp.

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So, how are these things how are these things being handled? And >> what why didn't why didn't you invite Mr. Compana to the meeting online? He doesn't even have to leave his house and you can we can talk to him about this sort of thing.

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>> Yeah, because we've we've got the it it's interesting that that actually Alan Weiss gave me a couple sheets of paper and he says, "You know, guys, I

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don't know how you guys are getting around this, but it clearly says on Title Five that the designer, the guy with the stamp is supposed to be the guy that does, as we look at these ads builds, this designer is supposed to go out and look at it, and he's supposed to

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be the one that does the ads builds." and he says, 'How do you why do you not follow what the law says? >> He's got a point. But on the other hand, let's let's say it's a huge company. Let's say it's Tai and Bond and they've got a corporate engineer that stamps the

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drawings and the guy's a suit and tie guy, three-piece suit and wearing an Italian suit and fancy shoes. Do you really expect this person to go out and do an as build out on elite on a project? Of course not. So Ty

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and Bond, Ty and Bond would say, "I'm sending one of my staffers to go out and do this work. They're unlicensed staffer, but they're doing the work under my direction." So that's what Tai and Bond would say. >> And I'm guessing Neil could make the same argument.

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>> Yeah, but maybe >> Neil could not make that would have to make that rather. >> We just do Same thing at 72 Chabby Street. We probably, as it turns out, we

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probably did just You're right. But like you say, there is there is good rationale to have the stamping engineer of record. I hate to even put it that way, but the stamping engineer of record should probably be at these meetings.

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Well, that that's what I'm I'm thinking. >> That's what Allen is alluding to and he's got a point. >> Yeah, maybe that's what we have to do is to say it's not like it's ask asking for a

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huge amount of time. You've got a you've got a an appointment that you're coming up to and say, you know, it's your stamp. Have you even have you looked at it? >> Well, well, that's the other thing. At least we can make sure that the guy that

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seals the drawing is aware of and in tune with what the project involves. >> Yeah. >> Which would be a plus. >> That may be a that may be a stretch, Bill. >> It would be a plus, wouldn't it?

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>> Well, it it would. and and especially and I I can it turns out that Neil has got probably most of the most of the business that we see these days but >> right >> but this isn't the first time you know

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many years ago someone said to the this board that you know you guys are you guys are designing septic systems and putting in letting people put stuff in and the code says you can't be doing that. And and

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they were right. And in this case, >> you've got in Neil's process, you've got Neil doing, I guess, a soil evaluation. Then you've got him doing some part of the design.

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Then I've got a couple of the the systems that that are are hung up right now and some have some pretty big mistakes that there's another person that's doing the design and you've got a third person who's got

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the stamp that's saying, "Oh, all this is right." And I'm finding the mistake. Diffic any of these end up in court, it's going to be a complete mess. That's exactly what you're alluding to and you're absolutely

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correct. >> And and at some point at some point do we get drawn drawn in and say, "Hey, Graanby Board of Health, if you know that this stuff isn't right,

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you're approving things that you know aren't following the the procedure. And do we become complicit? I don't know that. >> That's right. You're right. >> But

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>> it's got a point. So, so do we um uh do we look up captioning verse um the code requirements and

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download or photocopy that paragraph and send it out to some or all of the engineers who do business with us. and set up the new

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rules of engagement effective May 5th. >> Well, most of the people that come before the board on the design end are the people that seal their own drawings, right? John Kapinsky, he does his

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Skyback from Hadley, Dick, he seals his own drawing, correct? >> Yeah. >> Al Weiss seals his own drawing. Lab Barbara seals his own drawing. >> Who else? Cafferelli. He hasn't been here for a few years, but

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Bob would seal his own drawing. >> Yep. >> We've got these >> That's the way it's supposed to be done. >> And just say that that the guy who's the guy who's >> seals the drawing should be here to

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interview. Of course, >> should be the one that's presenting this to the >> That's right. to the board. >> That's the way it's supposed to be done >> because if if you go back to what you said at Tai and Bond, I think I think

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Tyen Bond in fact does not have a vice president stamping this. I think highen bond has got lots of pees and sanitarians working and they're they are complying.

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They may have people in the in the field that soil evaluators or something, but but uh but the guy who can't that's stamping the >> supposed to be he or she is supposed to

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be intimately involved with the design process and make all the key decisions. Absolutely. >> That's the way the the law is written >> in reality. In reality, when I have these these things that I get a drawing

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that's not right, I could be going back to the guy who stamped it and say, "These aren't right." >> Yeah, that's an argument. If if there's a defect on a plan, go back to the guy that stamped the drawing, not the guy that presented the drawing that didn't

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stamp it. >> That's right. >> Yeah. I mean technically depending how you want to you know look at this um you're you're extending a great courtesy

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um by letting them know prior to the meeting that uh they dropped the ball on a on a technical issue rather than waiting until the meeting and they have to redo it and then represent it in two weeks.

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I mean I don't know. I could be completely wrong on this assumption that other towns uh would follow the same suit and the same courtesy saying, "Hey, you did this and it's not quite up to what we need. Fix it because the meeting

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is going to be in three days >> or do they wait till a meeting?" >> Here's a hypothetical, Dick. the guy that seals the drawing. Would a reasonable engineer think that the guy that sealed the drawing would have at least visited the site once during the

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entire process? That's a that's a simple question. What's the answer to that question? Answer is probably >> that happen. >> It it but it should the guy that seals the drawing should at least have gone to the site once, I think. >> Yeah.

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You got a drawing that that being prepared that doesn't meet code. I'm I'm tempted. I bet that I've got the someplace on my computer. I've got what

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the state does when they review a drawing and they've got a checklist. They just go right down through it. Maybe what we should be doing is saying, "Hey, Mr. Engineer, this is the test with the drawing that comes to us. We

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want you to go through this checklist and sign off and say that you've done all this stuff." Give them the same checklist that the D uses and say, "Then I don't have to work so hard." And then when I'm gone, you

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guys or someone else won't have to just say the people that that do it have to check their own drawings against the code. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> But in practice, it's hard to ensure that the guy that stamped the drawing is

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actually doing the work that he or she is supposed to be doing. That's hard to It's very hard to be assured of that. It is. But if you never even talked to them, >> That's right. At least if we talk to the

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person and ask them about some particulars about the project, they should be able to answer basic questions, you know, how many trenches, how did you come up with the water table, how did you come up with the design flow, you know, stuff like that. >> Yeah. And if he says, I can't I don't

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know. I didn't do this. Is that But you >> That's wrong. That's the wrong answer. If he answers that, that's the wrong answer. That's the wrong answer. But I can see I can see Al's I can see Al's motivation from two or three

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viewpoints, but he's actually correct. as it as it turns out. You know what he tells me is he's not looking he's on the tail end of what he's trying to do for >> well should be retiring soon enough all

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>> well that's but but he's just saying as a as a point he's saying why should I be doing this why am I doing this when you guys aren't making everybody else do that So >> you can't argue with that.

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>> When he when he's he's saying something that says, you know, these are minimum standards. He says, you're not you guys are are bending the rules on things that says this is this is what you have to do. idol.

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>> I mean, depending on on how you look at it, um, a guy like Alan Weiss could be doing a similar scenario. He could be stamping. >> He could hire he could hire a graduate student at the university or some other

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fellow to work for him and be doing the same thing that Neil and Paul are doing. He could be he could be stamping 60 plans a week theoretically and wouldn't have to leave his office again and have plenty of

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income. >> Yeah. >> When Yeah. I guess the I I guess would it would come out of if all the drawings if everything was always perfect,

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>> it wouldn't be an issue. >> How would we know who did what, >> right? But if something's a foul, then we poke into it a little bit and find out why something

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got mismanaged. >> Yeah. What's the most common defect you're seeing, Dick, when you review the plans? >> They're they're they're different. Uh water table separation is probably some

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uh location of system. I'd have to look and I I've never >> Yeah. Yeah. The location of system that's more of a subjective thing I guess. >> Yeah. Typically you guys when I send out

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if they're little things like you know picky own little things that saying you know this is just missing I just do it on the phone. But you guys get copies. When I send out these things I find 18 things wrong with a drawing.

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you typically get a copy of >> I send them out to everybody saying this needs to get fixed >> which are I don't maybe that that's crazy stuff anyways maybe that one beyond a couple of them

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>> yeah long as they have the proper separation off the well you know the big things are well separation separation make sure the systems on the right person's property. That's another big one. >> Yeah. >> Right. Make sure the loading factors are

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done correctly. >> Right. That's right. Right. >> Water table separate that they've got >> they've got a reserve areas that that uh >> like you say, if you put a decision tree together and you could you could

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actually AI this with this cloud thing now real easy. You could AI this and go through a decision tree and have the decision tree review this thing in a split second. >> That's the interesting thing with AI now.

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>> So essentially you take that state list Dick and you could you could run that through the AI algorithm and have it automatically review things which would be a great assistance actually. >> Yeah. But again, the bottom line is I think

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the guy that seals the drawing should at least be present at the meetings with us. >> I think too that someone say I'm presenting this. >> Well, at least there's some ownership. That's right. No, but I agree. That's point well taken by Al.

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>> You know, I said the last one that that that actually Neil got, I said, you know, this this pipe that you've got is six feet up in the air coming out of the building. How can you how can you submit that to me to review?

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>> And you don't have finished. >> Yeah, >> I remember that. >> And say this is this is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. >> Then that means

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that that means that Neil So if you look at that train of of design. So you've got Neil doesn't go through and say, "Did this guy even draw what I told him to draw?" And then you

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got the guy that's stamping it didn't even look at what Neil didn't look at. So, so is Neil drawing how does he oversee the draftsman? >> I can't tell you. I can't tell you other than I whether Neil says

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>> really the draftsman should be working for this the engineer that stamps it. That's what should happen. The the guy that does the drafting should be working for uh the stamping engineer. But but what happens what it appears to

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me that really happens is that the the middle guy, let's say the soil evaluator guy is saying, "Well, I do it. It's still I I

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guess it's different." If we look at the two guys that are doing it right now, you know, Bob Stover was doing it, but I don't think he's doing it anymore. So, we've got two people that I know of that doing it. It's Bobby and and Neil. Now,

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Bob, I think does I think does all of it and his his guy Stamp. I have no idea what level level of detail the guy Bob is doing, but at least Bob doesn't have

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a third party, >> right? But Neil Neil is got something that he's directing. And and so he tells somebody what I think what to do, but I don't have any idea of

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of what authority that person has. And then when it comes back, I think it comes back to Neil and then goes back to the the sanitarian or the engineer and comes back. So I don't know where

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reviews occur >> and then Neil's got a guy that does his title fives for him, >> right? But I think that guy I think Bob Norman

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>> I think Colleen looked up and said >> he's got a he's got a soil evaluator's license or an SI. >> No, I don't think so. >> Oh, he's got license. >> He's an inspector type. He's got an SI license. >> So,

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and Neil's a soil evaluator. Yeah. He's not a sanitarian or a PE. >> That's right. So, it's an interesting corporate relationship. There's many parts to it. But in reality,

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we've got, as I said, if if it comes down to to someone suing people with the deepest pockets, is it the town of Graby that's got the

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deepest pockets? I'm guessing if you talk to Brian Oul, Brian's going to look up some of the licensing criterion and he's going to conclude what we've just concluded is that the guy that stamps the drawing

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should be the guy that appears before us. That's what he's going to conclude. >> That's what I think. >> Yeah. And that guy that guy needs to know what he's got a stamp on and then it's up to him how he

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gets his drawing. We don't we don't say, you know, you have to use AutoCAD or you have to do this and that. You he can do what what he wants, but he's the one that got the stamp and he's the one that

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needs to know what's on that drawing. Well, again, it's easy enough for them to email the drawings around. It's not like you have to physically transport drawings anymore. So, at least they can email them back and forth for review. So, that's a plus.

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>> Well, maybe that maybe that's what I've got to be doing on the reviews and say, "Look at this is your drawing, Mr. whoever engineer or sanitarian. This is what I found. Fix them

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and let him go and do what he want needs to do. But he's the guy with the stamp and he's the guy that needs to fix them. And he's the guy that's got to talk to whoever we have to review. >> Yeah, you're right though. Bob Stove had a fellow stamping his too now that

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Right. But I don't think Bob's doing it. >> Bob's not doing it anymore. So, it's Bobby, Bobby and Neil. Really, the only two that do this sort of thing. And maybe maybe we drive it to that, you know, it gets people

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maybe that's the cheapest way for people to get it done is because we're not having the guys with the stamp do the work. But but that clearly the code is saying, you know, we made you guys take tests. We made you do

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all sorts of things to to get that stamp. And now you got some board of health that's that's saying ah it doesn't matter. So, how are you going to convey this to uh Neil and Bobby?

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>> Well, it has it has to be something from the board that would it shouldn't be me. It should be the board of health says that this is people with the stamp have to be the ones that know what's going on and

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they're the ones that if there are issues that it's their drawing and if there are issues with the drawing you have to deal with them. So that means Dick, when you review one of these drawings, you should not be

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issuing the corrective notice to Neil. You should be issuing the corrective notice to the fellow stamping the plan. So I think that's right. That goes without saying. >> That's what it says. >> Okay. >> Is that the way you see it, Lee?

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>> Absolutely. Now, um, again, uh, going back to my comment, and you guys are, you know, into this the different way than I am. We just simply look up, um,

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uh, the state regulation and send everybody a copy of it and said, you know, uh, this is what the state says and this is what we're going to do. Um, so it's not

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Yeah, that is that is exactly right, Lee. That's where you if you're going through it. So, it's not the it's not the board of health that said, "Hey, we're coming up with these new regulations." I'm I'm just looking at I don't know if I

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I have the document that I that covers some of it. I don't think I have it right at my fingertips, but I can look it up. I can look it up for the the next meeting and say this is what's

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going to happen and I can I can tell the guys I don't I don't see it right here. I think it's in my pile of junk. So, I mean, we we can't know what other towns do,

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but so the goal would be to to preemptively prepare the person responsible for the design to make all corrections prior to the

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meeting. Um, but that's putting the burden on you to review all these things. Uh, do other towns do this or do they just wait till it shows up and say,

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"You got 10 things here. Six are wrong. Fix them and I'll see you in two weeks." >> You know what I can do? I can since it's today it's two people. It's it's Bob

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Stan and Neil. It's to talk to both of those guys and saying, >> you know, the the board what we just said, the board's really concerned about this >> and we we don't think we're doing it the right way. What is everybody else doing

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with you two guys? And we can start from that. >> And I can also look up I'll go through title five and say what does it say about the designer and who stamps and

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and and find out what we're doing. >> Yeah. I mean, I know I realize that everybody is is being as careful as they possibly can with this environment. Um, and I don't anticipate

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that there's going to be something in the future or in the past which will end up in litigation. Um, but you know, there is a little there is a level of uh of exposure. um

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not because they're going to, you know, throw us in jail. Um but if somehow this system was designed and corrected and put in and for whatever reason it didn't work out and somebody looked deep

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enough to say, you know, you guys are doing this thing absolutely incorrectly according to Title 5, then there's a little exposure. um which is of no intent but exposure nonetheless.

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>> I agree with I especially if you know what's happening. I I think what where we >> Well, exactly right. We know it's occurring. >> Yeah. And I think what covers our backsides

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is that when I review them, I really review them. I'm a pain in the neck guy. I go through and try to catch all these things. So, we catch them. >> Well, you're doing everybody a massive favor.

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Uh except yourself by pouring in all these hours. >> Yeah. >> Correct these things. >> In reality, this could all end in in five weeks. I could be not on the board.

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So, So, we ought to get whether it's for the next board or for us, we ought to get it fixed. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, I will do that. I I will

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>> So, you're going to talk to Bobby and you're going to talk to Neil? >> I'm going to talk to both of those guys. >> Okay. And I'm going to get the let me write it down. Then I'm also going to look at

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title five and see what it says. And then I'm going to look at the texting. I think they in title five they use the term designer. So the operative question is what is meant by the designer?

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I think they defined designer. I think that the the document that Allan put in my hand that was highlighted I think had the they did use the term designer and then in the

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definitions they talk about what designer means but I think it's there. >> Okay. So for this 95 Taylor Street

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um you need a statement from the engineer then this Paul Kagna before you I mean you're not going to approve that right? >> Yeah that one >> um it's in the ground guys >> it's in the ground right?

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>> Yep. >> Just as a heads up. So what we need though, >> Colleen's right. Colleen says >> that we can't if and

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>> that's right. The COC needs a signature of the designer. >> That's right. >> So what was happening before was was Neil signing on behalf of the designer on those >> previously? I know.

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>> I don't even know that >> because the C. >> But if I look at if I look at title five, so it says on replacement of a component, I think it says that someone with a stamp has to have that an

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installer can fill out the permit provided the designer, someone with a stamp has said they've reviewed it. Not that they've designed it, not that they've inspected it, just that they've reviewed it.

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>> But but the the Title 5 COC form, at least the ones I remember from a few years ago, would have three signatures, installer, board of health, and designer. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Neil's got his name under designer information. That's >> he usually signs it. But next to it, >> that's problematic. >> Where it says name of company, he has his company and then the ERS um Paul.

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So, but I think he he usually signs these um for the Yeah, the COC. Yeah, he usually sign >> Yeah. See, the designer should be signing that there, >> right? So that's what for the next meeting which is going to be four weeks away. I

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will I will do that. >> Course their argument is going to be the price of designs will now go up by $500. It's the way it is. It's the way it is. >> Yeah. But

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that's right. >> All we're doing is all we're doing is following state code. >> That's right. We're protecting the public. We're protecting the public. That's what we're doing. >> And and and the other the other aspect of this is that we're leveling the playing field.

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>> That's that's well that's the other point that that is inferred by the whole situation. Of course, and rightfully so. And rightfully so. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, if person X is getting X percentage of the work and person Y is

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getting Y percentage of the work and then we find this potential discrepancy, it's probably best to level the playing field that we're all playing with oranges instead of one with apples and one with oranges. >> Yeah. But if Bill in terms of what you

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said about you know you just happened we shouldn't say tai and bomb because that's not a that's not a fair >> No I'm just saying I'm just saying a large company I'm just saying a large company >> using that but but if you look

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at at the documentation that those companies put out on any of their design the septic design the sewage design is way different than than than what you

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see from the the little guy. But but typically I know working on on projects aside large large companies normally it's a it's a higher level corporate engineer that seals the drawings and the

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the corporate engineer is typically not the person in the field but normally the person in the field is a licensed engineer but it's typically not the person that seals the drawings. >> Right. That's true. >> So it's a little different thing.

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>> Yeah. But if you look at the designs, when I go through designs that come from those guys, I don't find the same errors that I find on on the little guys. >> That's right. That's true. That's true.

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>> You just don't find them. So So anyways, okay. So that's what we took I took for an assignment. What are our next Let me find our So, in terms of this in terms of this this permit, Colleen, to get it off of

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for 95 Taylor, >> what we really should be saying is that along with this permit needs to be a statement from the person with a

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stamp that says they've reviewed this. >> That's required. And the person who says it's done has to be the person with

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the staff. So both of those things are missing. Now, in terms of lee that it's buried, yeah, it's buried. So, it's not going to get dug up, but we're gonna at least start to say, "Okay, this is what needs to be done."

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And I guess if the >> I guess if the guy who needs to stamp it, you know, say, "I I agree it was okay to do it that way and I agree it's been installed properly."

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I guess if that person says, "I won't sign it until I look at it," I guess he has to dig it up, right? >> I agree. what Colleen can be telling them. Okay, that we're moving slowly.

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So, the next one is is 27 Lyman Street, David Kivy fails. It looked like it did in fact fail. Is that correctly? >> Yes. Um, and I was there,

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uh, what day is this? Um, I was there last Friday morning. Um, they did a, uh, repair perk. Uh, Neil Jackson performed that

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at that same location. Oh, that's in the works somewhere in the background. >> Okay. So, we can accept that. It looks like when I looked at both nine Barton Street

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and 79 West Street, both of Bob Norman, it looked like the the tanks were 1500 gallons. The water table separation were both okay. The systems were okay. And the water table was done by a a soil evaluator in both of them. It looked

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like they were both okay. Is that what you thought too, Lee? >> That's correct. >> Bill, are you okay with both of those? >> Oh, yeah. >> Those are fine, Dick. >> Okay, I am too, Colleen. >> Mhm. Okay.

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>> A and complaint the outdoor wood burner smoke from 294 Taylor Street. I did go by that and it it today and it was smoking even with

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the wind. Looked to me like it's got about a a 10-ft stack on it. It looks like a building that's about maybe maybe at most 8 feet high and then a stack about 10 feet. Colleen, do you

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know what the regulation is that? There are two issues. How late in the year can they keep burning those things? Yeah. >> So, it was it was burning today. >> And how Bill and Lee, do you know how

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how the stack is supposed to be? >> What's this? A a wood burning furnace? >> An outdoor wood burning furnace. I don't think there are many of them around anymore. >> Yeah. Actually, let me let me see if I can get the answer real quick here.

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Permanent smoke stack must extend 2 feet higher than the peak of any roof structure located within 150 ft of your unit. >> Yeah, that's building code. That's different. That's for that's for house. >> That that was a letter that was sent

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when there was another complaint. >> Let me take a look here. >> I think that one is I don't think it's building code though. I think you're going to find that outdoor wood burning. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I think the furnace has to be higher. Um, wood burning furnace

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stack elevation. I'm letting AI answer the question. Let's see what they say. Let's see what they say. >> And I think it was till May. Um, maybe the middle of May on that.

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>> Okay. So it's he's not in violation for >> Yeah, it was it was May sometime, but >> Okay. So that party's not in violation. You know what I do? I would just ask ask um Tom Quinnland.

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>> Okay, >> that's what I would do. Yeah, I think the wood furnace is treated a little different from a stove running through your house. >> I think it is too. >> Yeah. And I know >> I think there are very specific

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regulations. >> Yeah, I know. It's a lot >> about it. >> Yeah. And this was a letter that was sent to him when there was another complaint from the board. So that's what it said in that letter. >> So that's more than likely what the regulation was then.

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So, it turns out that it's it's his own house that's in violation. I think it's in I think it's it's board of health kind of stuff. >> I'm sure if you talk to Ammerst Board of Health, they'll know the answer in a jiffy.

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That's what I would do. Call Elaine. Call Ammerst. They'll know the answer. >> Is that right? You think that's true? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They'll know the answer. Oh, here it is. EPA chimney regulations for outdoor furnaces. Oh, okay. I just found something here. Let

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us see. >> Is that EPA, not state of Massachusetts? >> Yeah, this is this is federal. Okay, here's what it says. The stack must meet both of the following requirements.

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minimum of 10 feet above the ground and be installed in accordance with the manufacturer specifications. >> Yeah. See, I think the Massachusetts has >> probably more stringent. The mass one's probably more stringent.

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>> Yeah. >> Actually, the one in this article they're referring to is state of P or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is usually pretty rigorous, too, though. If you're trying to if you're trying to site them, >> right,

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>> then it has to be a Massachusetts regulation. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this person's Dick, how how far above grade is the outlet of the chimney on this one? I would say I didn't go on the property, but if if I were to

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estimate it, I would have said that it it's a it sticks out of the top of the building. The building appeared to be less than the length of the pipe. If I were to guess, had a doorway

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and then a a peak that was less than two feet above it. So, I'm going to guess that the building was about eight feet. And it looked to me that the the pipe was a little bit taller than the height of the building. So if I were guessing, I would guess 18 feet high and almost

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positively less than 20 feet high. So, so this stack is attached to the building, not a not a self contained outdoor wood wood burning. >> Oh, it is. It's a building I'm talking about. It's a little >> a little tiny. It's like a dog house. Looks like a dog.

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>> Yeah, it's a shed. That's probably >> Okay. I would I can't see its depth, but if I were to guess, I would have guessed it's 8 feet wide and and 10 feet tall, >> but I couldn't see its depth.

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>> Yeah. Here's a I'm on a website now with outdoor It's a manufacturer of outdoor furnaces. >> Okay, this is this is called under the Massachusetts regulation. And remember when we we got involved with it and it was a thing called outdoor wood burning

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furniture. >> That's right. Outdoor wood burning furnace. That's exactly what I'm googling here. Yeah. Actually, let me let me put in mass and see what that brings up.

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Let's see. strange that at one point this was a this was a big deal. >> Well, here it is. Here's a mass.gov reference. Here we go. Says heating your home with a wood burning appliance. Let's see. Government regulation.

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It references 310 CMR7 air pollution control. Regional air quality and public health assessments of outdoor wood burning boilers says never burn garbage, trash, and treated wood in the Hey, that's a good

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that's a good comment. >> That's it's not obvious here. There's some place in it that talks about distances from buildings, height of the stack, and time of the year that you can burn. >> Those are the the three things that I recall.

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>> All right, let me let me click on this. Okay, they the mass regs actually backtrack to the EPA reg. So, let me take a look at the EPA reg. Let's see. Smoke from my neighbor is impacting my air quality and health. What can I do? Okay, let's click on

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that. >> Says, check for any state, local, tribal rules or restrictions. >> We're going to We should take this offline and see what we can find. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's going to take a little bit of research, I can see. >> Yes. >> So, let's not let's terminate this

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discussion. >> Yeah. The next one we have is a complaint from dust from work done at Sins Hill Apartments. Now,

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did you guys see the pictures that were sent from the looked to me like it was some kind of a an air filter on a I think the people said it was a split unit,

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but the complaint the complaint that I saw Lee did and Bill did you read that complaint? >> I did not. What's the nature of it? Sir >> is >> that appar apparently work was done as

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for asbestous removal >> and the people didn't clean up wallboard dust and the person complaining showed pictures of of a filter that had

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dust on the on the filter and I think they said it was a split air conditioner heater unit >> and they are complaining that it wasn't done right and it was in Sin Hill. And my suggestion,

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my suggestion as a first step is to pass it along to the housing authority and say, "We've got this complaint. Could you please look into it and tell us get back to us?" And I I I don't think my feeling is that

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having workmen work in a building and leaving it too dusty is not a board of health issue. >> I don't know. Bill and Lee, what are you thinking? >> It's not health issue. >> Yeah. Does this mean that every place

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that someone leaves the you know does does work in a house and leaves the the thing and and a and a resident belief that it's not clean enough that it's going to become a board of health issue every time

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>> that's a building department and workmanlike conduct issue. So that should be that should be regulated. Tom Tom uh Quinland should be the one advising on this. >> Well, if you're if you're renting an

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apartment and have work done and then leave >> leave it clean enough, does does it become a civil maybe it's a civil case? >> But in this case, it's public housing. So, do you

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>> Well, did they pull a building permit to do the work? >> Oh, it was supposedly it was tied into the the asbestous work that we had a complaint for what, two weeks ago, Colleen, there was a complaint about asbestous work.

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>> Oh, yeah. At least maybe a month ago or so. Yeah. >> And it looks like this is the same thing. I'm not sure it's the same people, but my feeling is to just pass it along to the lead. Do you know who's in charge? You

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were in that on that committee, weren't you >> at one point? >> And what is it? The housing authority. Yeah, the state runs the the state runs the location and the director of the housing authority

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um would be of course doing the hiring of and and the subcontracting but they have to all these things are under state guidance. Um, so I can't imagine that they would

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be um letting a contractor who has to put in a competitive state bid uh show up and violate state codes. >> Yeah.

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>> And uh and not take out a a proper building permit either. that wouldn't seem um follow the normal course of business. I >> think the appropriate course here for us

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is to pass this complaint along to that that housing authority and and just ask them to investigate it and get back to us. >> Yes. >> Yeah. The housing authority be working on this.

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Yeah, it's >> that way because the the tenant said they tried to get a hold of the housing authority and didn't get any answers. So, in this case, if we sent the thing, the housing authority probably is going to get back to us.

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>> Yes. I mean, is it do we know that that this is this tenants apartment? >> We don't know. We really don't know anything. That's why I'm saying if you if you sent it to the housing authority, they would be the one that come through and say, "No, this this tenant, this is

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not what happened." >> Otherwise, we're in another board's area. It's it's if if it from my standpoint, if it were something that says, "Wow, this is asbestous and then we're it's killing somebody or it's got

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a is a really dangerous thing, then the board of health should should probably should for sure get involved because but if if it's a dust problem that wasn't cleaned up, right, it seems it seems to me that the housing authority should be

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able and as you just said, they're issuing a contract. It would be them that follows up and said, "Yeah, this wasn't done properly. The person should come back in and clean it." >> I would. Yeah. Something like that should should be happening if it already

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hasn't. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Bill, is that what you think too? Just pass this along and ask him to get back to us. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, that's what we'll do. >> Yep. Okay. >> I did go on another before we move out.

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Uh I did go to I think it's 94 uh school not school street chick street one of the system the one that that

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the the design is going to run out on I think the end of this week the the not the design the permit And so when I got there, they they Jerry said in fact that he he tried to get Lee

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to to come in and do this and inspect the strip and Lee couldn't get there and they and said, "Could I go over and look?" And I did go over and they've got a tank in. They've got the the whole the

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strip was dug out. Wasn't deep enough. I told them they needed to pull out some more of the B Horizon, but I also told them they were they were hauling uh when did I go? It must have been yesterday. And so they were hauling stand in today.

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And I said, you know, on this thing, we had the board had talked about this particular lot and putting an SAS in here right now and having cement trucks driving over it is not going to be a smart thing to be

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doing. That once the the since the tank is in to protect the tank, you get the the fill in. And if you think you're going to be driving over this spill, put some dirt over and then take the dirt

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back out. But at that point, you probably should be going back to the board of health and saying, "We've made significant progress in installing the system. We would like to have the the permit extended for whatever we can do

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up to up to a year since if they've got significant work done. I said that's what I think you ought to be telling Jerry God to that he could do. I said, "But if you

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decide to do it, you should make sure that Jerry Kodir calls up Colleen before this meeting because you're supposed to do it before the permit runs out." And I guess Colleen, he didn't call you,

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huh? >> Uh, no. I haven't seen him since what was it last Well, it was Friday, I think we talked about. So, so I guess

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>> what were what my my spin on this whole thing was that the installer called me for a subgrade Monday night. Um, and I reminded him that I hadn't seen

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um the water analysis >> from the new well. >> Yeah. Yeah. I took I looked at that and reviewed that a couple of days ago, >> believe. >> Okay.

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>> Yeah, we looked at that. The well was done by Quab and Quabin well and they uh they did the call of form came back negative. >> Okay. Because the the comment was that the installer was told that the board had already had a meeting and signed off

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on the water. Um and I reminded him that we hadn't had a meeting until tonight, >> right? >> And that uh signing off on it uh was a little premature to make that assumption. and I wouldn't be showing up for this upgrade till we talk about

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this. >> Okay. So, that's what happens. Okay. So, Oh, so they did it in run. >> Yes, >> that's exactly right. >> Yeah. >> Oh,

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so I was I was led to believe that you couldn't get there. >> I could have get I could have gotten there. Um but because they were there was appeared to be some fabrication of

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um us meeting and discussing and signing off on the well which didn't occur. I elected to uh not go until after tonight's meeting. >> Okay. >> But since you were there today and

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looked at it, I mean absolutely perfectly fine. It's just that um a repeat of um the the contractor taking liberties um

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again. >> Yeah. >> In my way of think. >> Yeah. So that's >> change >> and you know that's a problem that's a problem that we get into with this open meeting law violation Lee that that when

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a contractor said gee Lee said this without us talking and ended up you know possibly violating the open meeting law. We can't we can't catch that when a contractor is not

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conveying the proper information. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, in fact, I got into one >> on a second and then we can we can move on. But on 12 Ken Wayne, I got a call

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from from David Gasperi who was upset about uh Diane Perthy putting a pipe aimed at his house

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and saying that it smelled sewage and on the water in the street and and I I went down but but David told me that that he says I just got off the phone with Lee and Lee said that the board of health is

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has essentially washed his pants the whole thing and not involved anymore and and doesn't care. And and I said I I said uh David I said I

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I don't know how to tell you without telling you directly. I don't believe that Lee said that. and he got mad and but anyways I I did go down and Diane had taken this pipe

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and pushed it towards the the turnaround so it was aimed at his house. It wasn't flooding as well. It wasn't flooding any place really near the house but but uh and it didn't smell of sewage at all. However, I did talk to Diane

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and what she had said is she was having trouble. She did not she did not want to be going to court. She did not want to have this problem with the water on the street. She wanted it solved.

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and she had hired she got the original installer of her dry basement system came in because her her as Colleen had checked and found out her cellar was

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flooding. She said the installer said your pump is running all the time. Somebody hooked up this this hose going into the ground and it's got too small a coupling on it and I'm cutting it out and putting it on the street. And the

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guy didn't didn't look to figure out why the water why the pump was running all the time. He just said it's because of this coupling on the hose. and uh and

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the owner didn't know what to do. So he did know from from David D. Roster who said that it was Kevin Nan who put the pipe in. Kevin uh David also had

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told me earlier that Kevin routinely will come in with compressed air and blow the pipe out and see if that was a problem. So the Diane moved the pipe that was over towards

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Barry's house moved it so it went straight out from her house into Ken Lane. And she told me that on the next day that she would call Kevin Nent and see if she could get him in, see if they

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could blow the pipe out, hook the the building discharge pipe to the the underground pipe using a Fernco kind of coupling. So, an external coupling, not an internal coupling,

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and hook it back up and see if her pump was not running all the time, and and see if the pump could in fact evacuate all the water. So, she said she was going to do that. So, at that point, I

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also talked to to uh Cindy Gatsbury, drove in the in the street, and I explained to her what what was going on. And um I also explained that with the

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change in in town administrators, the funding part that that 12kin was trying to get after was was up in the

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air and that that uh Kevin O'Grady had told me that he thought we would have a new town administrator by the beginning of the fiscal here and that I said we'll try to get that done then. So

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that's where that system stands right now. Hopefully within hopefully this week we'll find out why that that 12in pipe wasn't taking the water was supposed to. Not the 12 the black the

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black pipe was is not taking the water the inch and a half. So that's what's going on there. Uh >> I mean I I got got to think that there simply didn't do the calculations

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on pipe pipe diameter versus the gallon per minute pump cycle. Uh the pump may be too large for the hose. >> It may be. It may be. I saw the pump pumping like crazy at one point.

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>> Yeah. And and Diane told mely that the guy she got in to look at the system never even looked in the manhole to see if there was water coming out. >> Oh,

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interesting. Okay. >> So >> I said, I'm guessing the guy's not an engineer. She says, no, he is absolutely not an engineer. He just said the pipe the hole is too small that goes into the black buried hole about black buried

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pipe and that that uh it'll never work and I >> no so uh so the question is that dad I said well you hook it up if you find out that the pipe is not plugged hook it up if

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the pump runs all the time you know there's a problem They have to find out what the problem is. If it you hook it up and it runs and shuts off and runs and shuts off, then there was something else wrong. But there there's still in

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my mind a question as to whether the neighbor has hooked up into that pipe also and put a a restriction in that pipe. So, so we don't know that yet. >> But having

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>> right >> Kevin Nan blow it out and see if as I said I said what if the the pipe during the summer when there was no blow mouth went up in there and died.

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I don't know. I don't know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good point. Or if it's that pl that thin wall plastic corrugated pipe, it may have simply collapsed. >> Well, it's not. It's It's the same kind of pipe, Lee, that that like your well

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polyethylene pipe. It's like the well pipes. >> It's either in a quarter. >> That that won't collapse. >> No, it won't. It's very It's fairly stiff. >> Yeah. This is >> Yeah. Yeah. This look to me like it's a,

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you know, an inch and a half. I don't know if it's inch and a half OD or an inch. It was definitely bigger than a one inch ID. Although maybe not a lot. Maybe not a lot bigger because I looked at the coupling that went into it. It

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was it was kind of small on its OD. So So it may be right. It could be an inch and a half pipe with a eighth inch wall or something. But it it's definitely rigid pipe and and I was told it was a continuous pipe.

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>> So So that's what's going on there. >> What our last item? Well, actually there's two more. Bill, do you have approval for the building department that you want to be reporting on?

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Colleen, we had talked about that the other day, didn't we? >> Yeah, we kind of went through the ones. >> Yeah, I can't I can't recall any of any particular note, Dick. I did approve two or three of them, but I >> 94 Chap Street.

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>> 94 Chap after after dragging our feet on that. >> Okay. And again, that that that was unusual because I I thought if it's new construction, it should go through the board proper, not me as an outside reviewer. So, again, like you said, I

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think Mr. Kodair was trying to pull an end run on that one. >> Yeah. Because that's going to be that way. >> So, we can't we can't do if it's new construction, it should come to the three of us in meeting. >> That's right. Yeah. And again, if it's a building permit app that is not pursuant

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to new construction, then I can review it independently. >> Right. >> So, the last item to Go ahead, Lee. Oh, >> I'm sorry. Uh, Bill, do you have something going on at 102 South Street?

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>> 102 South. Now, where is that? That's >> That's at the corner. It's It's a couple houses down from the corner. Correct. I don't know. >> It's on the west side of the street. >> Um Eddie Parker um said the house is was

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vacant for a while and he's currently in there um getting it up and moving for a new owner. >> Okay. Yeah, I I did see it on I did see it on the uh on the software link. I saw

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something for 102 South. Okay. He's wondering about a some type of a board of health sign off and I >> Well, just quickly what was going on with the septic and the well and I didn't >> I'll take a look. I'll take a look. Did

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they do a title five? Was there title five done? >> Not recently. >> All right. Well, let me let me take a look. I'll take a look at it and comment as needed. Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you, Lee.

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So that shouldn't that shouldn't be like that either. >> No. No. >> The next one, Bill, while you were out, Lee and I discussed

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the the rental unit permits and I had taken an assignment to talk to to Brian Oul about it. Mhm. >> And Brian said

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that the permit system, South Hadley has a permit system, the board of health >> and he said it's very very unpopular and but the South Hadley one

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>> kind of makes the the owner responsible for saying that his system his his unit is up to code. And it becomes what what Brian and Brian cautioned me. He said, 'You know, I you

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guys have the authority to do this, but he said, I'm I do a fair amount of business on the other side, on the owner's side, >> right? And he says, 'So, I have to disclose that to you because I that when

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I give you I'm not giving you advice specifically because I'm I'm I could be conflicted. So I just want you to know >> right >> that but he says what I'll give you is some data

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>> that that for but he said for sure if you guys say that you're putting a regulation in to protect tenants that is absolutely within your authority and your responsibility.

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So he says, "However, I'd ask you is is to understand what you were trying to do." And he says, 'If you're trying to catch

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one or two bad actors that you find out or several bad actors that you typically find out about because tenants complain, you may in fact be finding out the

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problems anyways. So if you're if you're trying to get a few problems by throwing out a huge net that catches a whole bunch of good people to catch a couple

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problems that you were going to find out from another method, then you should decide whether you are actually protecting the people, the renters any better than you would of anyways that you were

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already protecting those for the most part. And he said because just his experience in South Adley is that it it has become problematic to the point that that that

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people are running for office to fight it to try to get it changed. >> Yeah. I I can see that would be extremely unpopular, Dick. >> Yeah. and and he he said, "Just think about, you know, are are there other ways to to solve

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your problem if you're going to cause if you're going to cause a lot more problems than you're solving, do you want to do that?" >> But he said, "Absolutely. if you're trying to do this that to to make things

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he was very very very very clear saying if you're doing this to protect people then you absolutely have that right to do >> but but he was you know just being philosophical about it. He he was

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absolutely not giving me advice. >> Okay. And and I'm in fact to the point that I think if if we were looking for advice and I I really went to him and say I'm looking for some legal advice. I think that he would just say then I'm

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going to hook you up with someone to give you the legal advice because I right >> I feel conflicted. So, so he didn't do that, but he did he did definitely give me something to think about. And I told him, I said, you know, I'm going to go back and talk to

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the board and and really I said that it would the record would show for sure. Lee, you were the one that that I my sense of the three of us. I I sense that I was the one pushing

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hardest to do it. You were the one saying, "Boy, watch out. I'm really concerned about this." And I think Bill, you were kind of the guy that says, "I'm kind of in the middle." And I'm looking at both of these sides that I'm I'm not

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clearly on one side or the other. And I I I think that that after I'm thinking about it more, I'm thinking it's not a good idea right now. >> Yeah. Yeah. It it it it it's walking on the it's walking the

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line on privacy. That's my opinion. It's walking the line on privacy and we got to be very careful on that. Lee, you you brought up the something that says, well, because

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we we I think the record will show we we talked about or I talked about dwelling units, but you brought up saying, well, are you really going to say that that you get someone that that has a college

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student living in one room in their house saying, "Okay, you can be in my house." but in that room and you know kind of have use of the house and now are you saying that they should have a permit for that and I don't know if you

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recall saying that but I I recall you being concerned saying how far you know now you're going into what you just said Bill >> that right >> and and and the other the other thing I

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was thinking about on this topic was that uh for sure um people all over town, I don't know how many, um have people living in their spare room, their seller.

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>> That's right. That's right. That's right. >> All over the place. And at some point in time, um, the tenant may not be happy with their situation, may not feel like paying rent, whatever, and start making

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a complaint. And by doing so, it exposes the entire issue um that they are illegally housing somebody for income.

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Um and then at that point, and it won't happen because some people are more conscious than others, but at that point in time, the building inspector, uh fire department, and us of course will all be made aware of the scenario and take corrective actions. And it may not be

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that prevalent, but that may be the only way at the end of the day to expose this without uh ruffling everybody's feathers in the process. Yeah. And that and actually when Brian said it, he said that's his experience

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is that with boards of health that's when it happens is that >> so it does it does end up the problem units do come to the surface >> and then you know when we started talking say well people should be t

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paying taxes or whatever and and I don't quite frankly I I don't think that's the board of health job. >> That's right. >> Be doing looking at the taxes. That's somebody else's. That's the assessor's job. And >> that's right. >> And they should have a program for going into houses and

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>> and seeing what's inside houses. That's not >> our job. >> That's not I agree. Yeah. >> It will generate a lot of animosity. >> Yeah. And if and and in reality it's I think

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it's it's stretching that that uh I know when I when I get a a chance to to do a meet your candidate meeting I gave some thought and saying you know the board of health has got a lot of of authority but the board of health

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shouldn't be the shouldn't go way beyond its its bounds even if it if it can get away with stuff and I shouldn't they get away with it because but it legally not get in trouble with it but but it's not our job it's not our job to

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look at you know I look at the hilltowns that say oh we're making 4 acre lots the board of health says you have to have a 4 acre lot and it's but that's a zoning issue that's not a board of health issue and we shouldn't be doing that kind of

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we should we should be looking at at the health and safety of people, not the way the town develop. >> That's right. >> And and and I think that's the same thing with the with paying the proper taxes. That's not the board of health

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responsibility. Not in my view. >> Agree. >> So it sounds like what we're saying is we're not going to do that. >> Is that correct? No, >> I'm in favor of that, Dick.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. >> So, with that, we are now at 20 after 9. >> So, it's probably getting time. >> So, we're not going to meet for four weeks.

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Colleen, we hopefully you'll come back to us just as good as you are now. Hopefully I do. Yes. >> So So

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>> So okay, everybody have a a good night and I hope everybody had a good Easter. >> Okay. >> Good evening everybody heard it before the meeting is we ended up getting a two week extension on the bombing of Iraq.

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>> I saw that. I saw >> saw that >> oil prices have dropped marketkedly. So, we'll see if that translates to the pump in the next couple of days. >> Yeah, I'm I'm starting to to hear some I heard it two weeks ago. I heard it this

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morning now. And they said the easy way the easy way to deal with the shipping of oil is very simple. You just have a blockade and say no oil comes out of there. And then nobody's oil, no one

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gets rich coming out of there. And then then everybody says, "Hey, there's no oil coming out of here. Let's let's get oil flowing." And then you stop blowing up ships. Nobody shoots anybody. >> No.

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And then you strangle the uh the financial uh feed into the country which they depend upon to >> That's right. And that's exactly >> that's what they said. They said we got the they said you've got the thing right

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now that it's only the guys that are getting rich that are getting the oil out. So So the more >> right >> let Iran's oil come out and the the richer they get. So, if you just stop it, then

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>> Iran's placing a $2 million fee on any tanker that leaves the Straits. They're getting $2 million per tanker, Dick. Amazing. It's It's like It's like a toll booth. >> Yeah. >> Except it's a big toll. >> A big toll.

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>> Yeah. So once you say no one goes >> then when you say no one goes then all of a sudden China starts to help you get get it unplugged. >> That's right. So we'll see >> negotiate behind the curtain. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And no one gets killed.

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>> And this is also very this is also very detrimental to uh Ukraine since they lifted some of the sanctions on Russia. So Russia's prices have gone up and they're making Yeah, getting rich, too. >> Yes. >> And they're funneling that money into

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weapons to keep uh their attacks on the Ukrainian people, which is insane. Anyway, >> so the whole thing is is way out of control. >> Yeah. >> And then we see Vance today just got back. I think he's back from Hungary now

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where he's campaigning for Putin's man. So anyway, >> but at least we didn't at least we didn't kill a whole bunch of >> Yeah. >> innocent people tonight. >> Yeah. Some of that rhetoric is just that's just impossible rhetoric.

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Impossible rhetoric, Dick. >> I would never expect a politician to issue st You know, the problem is it's this darn social media. People get all fired up. They get on social media at 2 in the morning. I don't know what they've had or what they've done to fire

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themselves up and they just start issuing these ridiculous statements. Before social media, you had a lot of filters before public statements were issued. Now with social media, there's zero filtration. None. >> No, >> no filters.

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>> And that's why we got all >> instantaneous >> stuff going back and forth. Of course. >> Yeah, that's a good point. You know, back in the 80s and 90s, before social media, any public statement through the executive office would be filtered. >> Now there's no filtration.

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>> No filter. >> That's that's why social media in my opinion is no good. That's my opinion. It's no good. >> Yeah. It's a >> And I talked to my daughter about this,

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too. We've come up with three or four reasons why social media is no good. There's really very few positives. There's maybe one or two reasons it might be productive, but there's so many negatives that

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immerse from social media, Dick. That is just >> it is just overweighs. Well, >> it's amazing. Yeah, it is amazing when trying to figure out what is what is in fact

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and just it's just filled with >> Yeah. Again, now now with now with AI generated images and text, nobody knows what's the truth anymore. >> That's right. You do not know what >> you I watch I watch the France 24 news

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at six o'clock on PBS and toward the end of the show they have fact check and they have a woman that goes through all the photos and dialogue and comes up with correlations. Oh well this photo was taken 15 years ago in such and such

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a context and now they're bringing it forward that it was a newly generated image when it really wasn't. So factchecking big big issue now. >> Yeah. Anyway, anyway, hopefully in four weeks we'll all still be here.

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>> That's right. >> Okay. >> Okay, Colin, good luck. Thank you. Thank you. >> All the best everybody. Take care. >> Okay. Good night, everybody. >> Okay. Good night. Bye.