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So, we'll start. Uh, I'm I'm looking at at I hate to go through without Lee. I hate to the start. Um, although Allan is

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here, we can go through Allen's start of the of the applications. It turns out that that uh then he can get out of here instead of waiting

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and maybe Lee will come in. Allan had had two of them. One of them is a repair on 50 Taylor Street and Bill to put that so you know where it is. It's a couple

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houses south of Lee's driveway. So, I ended up doing this this repair perk and actually I think it was a title five. I can't remember what both I think but but it was definitely the repair because Lee

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felt like he was too close to be not in conflict. So, it's a repair a complete system a three-bedroom house. It's tucked right in there and the and his backyard drops down and he's in the

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wetlands very quickly. There's a there's a a a uh shed a garage type thing in the back, but really really limited repair of space. Um the review is complete on

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this one. It's paid. It's a cleared lot. It's sloped down to the rear to the west. It's actually a 1.14 acre lot, but most of it or half of it looks like it's out in the wetlands. Deep sands, 32 inch water table, wetlands near to the at the

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west. Uh the high water really prevented us from doing a a perk that Allan took it for a civ analysis. the the issues were the high water table, the wetland, the wells, a very

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very small area left for an SAS. And as much as Allan knows, I hate beds. Uh I agreed with them. The bed was the only thing that can fit there and and work. The perk rate was determined by the civ

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analysis. U ended up that we we had a 4ft separation using that. The design is for a 1500 new 1500gallon two compartment tank with an outlet filter. There's a 14 by 53 foot bed. It's

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vented. 445 gallons a day provided versus 440 needed. Fill is required. The reserve area is not provided. 4 foot water table separation. Ballast is not required for the tank. Uh the polyethylene barrier uh required. I

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spelled it wrong. On the north, west, and south sides of the SAS for breakout control. He just there's just no space to get the the distances out and and slow. The existing tank is

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going to be pumped and crushed and removed. Um Allan is actually required and it's not many times I can't even remember the last time I saw it but he's actually requiring the the installer to do well measurements at the time of the

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installation. >> Yeah. >> I don't want any hiccups. >> Yeah. Filtration siltation control is specified. The septic tank and SAS separation to the wetlands and the wells

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is greater than 60 ft. He had he definitely worked to get six feet. The tank and well separation the tank well separation is 6 85 ft. the the what I don't have is that the the well SAS

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separation is more than 100 for discussion with the we do need a trench permit there's still required that's why I said that with everything so tight that we ought to get some ties to the septic tank and the SAS just to make

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sure everything goes where Allan wants it you you have anything Bill to to add to this Yeah, I'm actually looking for it digitally. Colleen, did you send this one out as a PDF? >> 50 Taylor. Um,

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>> I didn't see it. That's okay. I just didn't see it. That's all right. >> I think it did go out. Yeah. >> Okay. I'm look I'm trying to find it. >> I don't know when. >> But no, Dick, I'm sure it's fine. So that I'm good with that. >> So, just so you know, yeah, an RDA was

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filed and I got a call from Dave today. Everybody's going to look at it Friday from the other commission. >> Okay, good. We'll take >> the next one. The next one is that Allan has is 288 Ammer Street. So, just to

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orient you, Bill, on this one. If you're going on Ammer Street headed to the I'll call it the north and you cross Aldridge Lake, you've got the the lots that Kit Aldrich split out that start on Ammer

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Street and they go parallel to the lake and then once you get past the power lines on Bachelor Street, the frontage moves to the to well, I guess all the a bunch of the frontage is on Bachelor

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But but this one is a double lot just butting the power lines. >> I see that. I'm looking at it right now. >> Yeah. And it's it's very steep up from the not not steep enough that I couldn't

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drive my car down, but it goes deep up to the I guess we'll call it the north. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I talked to Dave Deslet about that earlier on. >> But then down where the septic system is going. >> Yeah, >> we didn't have water. It's all sand.

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There's a plateau that's all four stands. >> So, this one's new construction, complete system, a three-bedroom house. The fee is paid. >> They um let's see what I have here that the >> Yeah. Yeah. This is described.

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>> This is this is the Grapham property for Martin Liberty. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. and 19 and a half acres of land in there. Deep sand >> 108 inch water table uh and the wetlands are the are the lake well to the the south.

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>> The issues of the steep downward flow from the house. In fact, Allen's got a a T in the D box to deal with that. >> And the design is for a new 1500gallon two compartment tank with an outlet filter. It's got two three foot by 53

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foot by 1 and a half ft effective depth trenches. Vented two 471 gallons a day provided versus 440 needed. Fill is not required. Reserve areas provided between and adjacent to the existing trenches. 5

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foot water table separation. Ballast is not required. Silt siltation control is not specified for this one. uh the septic tank and SAS separation to wetlands and other wells greater than 100 feet. All I have is is the trench

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permit and once again that it's a tight distance from the tank to the to the well. So I've said that we need a tie there to the tank and that's that's all I had. It was pretty straightforward. >> Yeah, that's any other issue.

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>> And Al and how many feet are you off the edge of the lake? 250 or so. >> Okay. And then there's probably a little wetland on the edge of the lake. Dave and I talked about >> Yeah. Not even close. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a no-brainer. That's a

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no-brainer. Thank you. >> Oh, I forgot. We We did approve the first one. >> Okay. >> Now, are we approving this one still, too? >> Yes. >> Okay. Then I'm gonna I'm gonna drop for a second out. Bill, I I think Sarah Hill

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is on. She called she called me up now. Sarah, I don't know if you remember, Bill. This is out on the the Beltown end of Bachelor Street. >> Yeah. and and

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they were going to make a building, a make an addition, a garage, and it turns out that probably ends up being a a very nice master bedroom suite. And and we went through saying, gee, we want to we

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want to end up making sure since it we said it can be a a bedroom. and and so there was we went back and forth and changed engineers and looked at septic systems and and whether and they needed

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a septic system upgrade and and Neil went out and and it turns out what Sarah told me when she called me today she said you know I'm going to do whatever I need to do whether it's a new septic system and I said you know before

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you do just a new septic Neil went out and looked at a debox that was an issue. They've got the the the darn infiltrators that that we don't love, but we don't know they're bad. We just don't love them. And so, we don't know

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about this system, but what Sarah told me is that some six months ago, they tried getting a building permit and they've got they actually got one. She didn't tell me that, but but her husband did. And well, she told me about not getting the

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building permit. Her husband told me about what's her exact address again. >> Um >> 450. >> 450. >> 450. >> Okay. Oh, she's right here. Sarah's right here. Hello, Sarah. >> Hi. >> Good. Hi.

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>> It's a 20 20 year old current design system though. and and the issue that they're at right now is they're at the more than into the current building

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season. And when Sarah and I discussed it and she said, you know, we'll do whatever we need to do with the septic system, but we're we're sitting here not being able to do anything, watching the days go by. And and so what I suggested

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to Sarah is she asked and it's because the board of health is stopped the building inspector from giving the permit. We're in the way. And so I suggested that Sarah that she just asked

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the board of health if we would say as long as Sarah knew she is not going to be able to get an occupancy permit until the septic system is resolved. whatever it is that that she's just asking could we build this as long as as long as

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everybody knows upfront that she can't move into it and use it until the septic systems resolve and she's more than happy to resolve it in any way that it wants. It's just that the septic system resolution is slower than getting the

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system the the house going. and she just wanted to know if we would be willing to just let the permit go and and talk to Tom Quinland and say, "Everybody knows this is how we're going to handle it, but we're going to let these people get on with building their project and and

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so to let us have the time to to deal with the septic system." And what is your thought, Bill? >> So, we're saying they could go forward with the structural work. However, there's no uh CO for occupancy until

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which we and and she deals with the septic system. Correct. >> That's what that's what her proposal was. And Sarah, is that what you'd be a willing to do? >> Absolutely. And my engineer Neil Jackson and the board of health member Lee came

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out and did a perk test last week which passed. So, we're already the wheels are already moving. What did you say, Sarah? Could you repeat that, please? >> I said my engineer Neil Jackson and the board of health member Lee came out to my property last week and did a perk

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test and it passed. So, the wheels are already in motion. I was I'm >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, it was it was >> Okay. So, Neil, you did a perk test in order to put in a new system if need be. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Okay. because I think originally

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the issue was no one had done an evaluation to essentially warrant that the current system would take the additional bedroom. I think that's where the standstill emanated, >> right? In in fact, where where it got

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hung up, Bill, is that we're I I'm anxious, if I'm still here, but after next week, two weeks from now, but I'm anxious to have Sarah's case actually

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help us end up coming up with with some kind of policy because I I'm if her would have to be to to to say that that the infiltrators are are still working, right? Because if they're not, you know, when I had talked to Neil about it some

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time ago, he he like us that don't love infiltrators, but that doesn't mean these aren't perfect. We don't know anything about these. And that finding that out would tell the direction that Sarah's going to have to go. But but uh

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>> yeah, I rec I recall I recall looking at her plan. And Neil, you probably would confirm this. I think Donnie Frederick designed the system with with the low boy, the flat boy infiltrators years ago. Correct. >> Yeah. >> He didn't even use the high capacities.

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He used the low ones, >> the low sh which are more prone to collapse. They're more prone to collapse than the others. >> But they might they might be or not. >> They might be perfectly fine. Yes. >> Yeah. So, but the the other the issue

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that I'm really interested in is that we've got a whole bunch of systems on the town in the town that we've designed with extra capacity so they'll last longer. In fact, they last a long long time. We don't see any of those going

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bad unless they're they're misused. But but what happened during that same time until our current president came along and said go back with all the old high flow everything and pump more water into the ground. But but up until that time

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there's a whole bunch of houses that have managed to probably cut their water flow in half. So we end up using these old designs to make old capacities to make these big systems. And now we're

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we're sticking with those for new for new design. It's fine. But now people like Sarah come along and say, "Gee, I'd like that to do something." And we I think we ought to get ourselves in a in a position that a homeowner could say,

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"You know what? We're only using not because of how many people we have, but they but from an engineering standpoint that they've done they they've replaced all these fixtures or put new fixtures in that are using half the water or less. And so they ought to get credit

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for that and not have to put money into bigger septic systems. and this then Sarah would be a great a great time for us to to say let's really look at this and have a policy that makes sense for

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people in the town >> but for this for this point for just this part of it that had come later that that Sarah just requested that we unlock her project as long as she's agreeing

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that she won't even try to get the co until this is resolved. What is your thoughts? >> That's fair. Again, that will that would be documented in the way we sign off, but I agree with that concept. Absolutely. >> So, Pauline, I since we've done that,

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although I think I Lee may be on board now, >> Julie is Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes, we're here. >> Were you listening to that, Lee? >> Oh, yes. >> So, are you on board? Are you on board

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too that we we unlock this and then deal with Sarah's completely committed to dealing with whatever she has to do with the septic system, but just let her let them get going and then we'll we'll deal with the with the the septic a little

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bit later. We'll have plenty of time to do it, but she just she doesn't want to lose this building period. >> No, I get it. And then that makes perfect sense from um as you and Bill have um have mentioned and we should

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proceed in that direction. >> Okay. >> So, Colleen, since we've agreed to that, if if you can let Tom know that we've said that he can let the building permit go, but that that both the owner and the board of health is that until the septic

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system issue is resolved, >> they won't be able to get a CO. And they agree that that that's fine. Okay, I can call Tom. Yep. >> So, Sarah, that should get you moving. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate your understanding in all of this. It's been

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a long road and I appreciate your help, >> Sarah. Okay. Glad we could help you. Thank you so much. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. >> Okay. Bye. >> Have a good night. >> Thank you. Good night. >> So, let's go back. We'll start reading what what we have on on my report.

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Unfortunately, my report didn't go out till late today because I've been working and working and working and trying to review things and and they they were slow. But I'll do the the first one with out of order or the

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second one out of order. It's going to be uh Peter Labra at 107 Cold Hill Road. This is a new construction there. Just so you get it so you know where this is. If you go on Cold Hill from the north

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side and go just as you go to where Cold Hill Drive comes in and go a little bit just a tiny bit down the hill, the driveway for this lot is actually at the bottom of that hill, but the lot itself

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is just just to the south of where uh in fact, I can't remember the name of the guy that that lives right across across from that. It used to be when I was a kid used to be the Clemens. >> Well, it's Jim McMle's property. >> Well, it's across from a Monle. It's not

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on Jim McMmon Monles are on the on the east side. >> East side. Yeah. This lot's on the west side. That's right. >> And in fact, it goes up against the uh Papel Hill or one of those in South Hadley. It it >> Ronda Rond Road

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>> Ronda. So So anyways, it's in there. It starts it it as you look at the topography it slopes from the the road Cold Hill basically

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levelish and then drops down to Ronda. So it has the back half of the property definitely slopes down and that's where the SAS is. And it also on the southern half of the lot, it has another slope that slopes to the south. So, it's kind

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of like a dome back there. So, and it it's shallow to rock. It's it's uh between five and six feet. There's the four feet of naturally occurring stuff is there. Um so, it is new construction,

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complete system, fourbedroom house. The fee is paid, but I don't know what the number was. The review is complete. As I said, it's slow sleep kind of steeply down to the to the rear and I've got to

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the south, but it's it's also south and and west. It's cleared at 3.2 acre lots, 60 to 72 in the ledge. There wasn't any water. I'm guessing there I'm guessing the water runs right on the ledge, though. issues with the slope, shallow

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the ledge. Uh the well is in place and and it's it's in a good location for the this system. The design is for a new 1500gallon two compartment tank with outlet filters. It's got six trenches

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that are 25 ft wide by four infiltrator length. It's terrace vented. 561 gallons a day provided versus 550 required. Fill is required. The reserve area is

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provided between and adjacent to the existing trenches. Peter's got an APDM barrier around the north edge of the SAS and kind of comes around a corner both corners a little bit uh just to control breakout.

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uh 4 foot water table separation ballast is is I didn't put the perk rate but the perk rates uh flow it's over 10 minutes the ballast is not required for the septic tank silt siltation control isn't needed or specified the septic tank and

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SDS separation to wetlands and other wells more than 100 ft discussing that there is not a trench permit note that has to be added our fill regulations S uh Peter did not uh extend this still to

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the west so that it it gives the 5-ft clearance for the reserve area. So he's got to add that in. Uh there has to be a note added that he's got a bottom strip that he's going to look at, but he doesn't have a note that says the Graby

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Board of Health requires our own uh inspection. He's got a just a note that doesn't really affect anything that says that there are no other wells within 50 ft of the septic tank and it's that there are no whether 100 and that

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that note should go to 50 ft and that and that's it for do you Lee and Bill do you have anything on it? I'll take a Obviously, I'm recused on this one as as everybody knows. I've worked for Tom in the past, so I'm

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recused. >> Okay. >> Hey, Peter. >> Hey, you. >> Lee, what are your thoughts? >> Yeah, I have I have nothing I can throw at this one. Everything looks good.

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>> Okay. So, we're Colleen, we're set. >> Okay. >> With that one and and Bill recuse. >> Yep. Thank you. >> So So Peter, that didn't take you long.

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>> Well, I think you're muted. >> Peter, your signal is muted. >> Well, it's okay. >> You're all set. >> You're good. Thank you. >> The next one is Neil. Neil's got three of them and they're

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>> they are not they are not finished on on my end. They're the first one is is lot 13.11 school street new construction. Now, this one is uh

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a lot the the put if you come in from 202 and you go past you go past the the I'll call it the junkyard, the the auto salvage. Keep

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going until there's there's a hill. There are houses on the right on a hill. the hill drop down ends on the right. On the left there are houses that are I I call them newish, but they're probably 25 years

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old. And then there's a pond. And after the pond, there's a flat spot, and I can't remember how wide, but it's I'll say it's 75 feet wide. And then it

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goes deeply up. And this is a a lot that used to be part of the house that was just to the north of the pond. So, we're on the east side of School Street. Um

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the I thought that the review isn't complete that the uh the issue that I had is that the the I've set on my thing stopped. It means show the reviews. Oh, stop because the soil log on at hole

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three called out that the groundwater elevation is at about 20 284.8. >> Yeah. Can I address that? >> Can I That's That's a typo. That

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>> he actually cut and pasted from 126 South Street because that had a four and a 25 perk. And so he changed the profiles but never changed the perk rates. We didn't have any water table um in any of the holes and we had a 10 and

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a less than one perk. So I did design for 5ft separation and a 6 loading rate. So that was a typo unfortunately. Oh, >> but the uh >> yeah, the packet the packet that with

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the soil um logs that were attached show um the correct information, but I'll get that that's that's on me obviously. So, I'll get that corrected. So, so then all this other stuff that I have, we can still

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I guess we can just we can just wait. Uh because we'll have to read it again and it since we're we're not going to act on it. Uh did you catch are the other things that I had down there designed for the perk rate? So you So the water

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table's wrong, the perk rate was wrong. >> Okay. So >> I'll take care of those. Yeah. and and the additional reserve area. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. The next one is 128 South Street. It's a repair complete system

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designed for threebedroom house. Um it this one's an interesting one because it it started off being an ADU going there. So that of of interest

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is when we get to the end, we need to we need to as a board, we have to talk about nitrogen loading because it really affects this one and we ought to understand what we as a board are doing with designs of leech

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fields versus water loading. But so it there's a clear slope gently down to the west lot but 2/3 of an acre glacial till

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this one Neil you think is 41 inch water table. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> And a Yeah. This is this is the this is the loggy cut and paste it. So >> yeah. So >> so this one again says it's 4 and 25

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minutes per inch. I'm not sure if that's if both of those are right. >> Yeah, those are right. >> Okay. So, lot sizes is issued shallow there's a shallow well in this and water table. The design is for

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a new 1500 two compartment septic tank. You have to we have to pay attention to this because this one we're Neil's got some stuff going on with this one with an outlet filter. There are four three foot by 65 foot by 1.15 effective depth

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trenches. They're level. They're vented. They're 550 gallons a day provided versus 440 gallons required. Fill is required. The reserve area is not provided.

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There's a concrete wall and polyethylene barrier installed on the north, east, and west side of the SAS. There's none on the south side. There's a 4ft water table separation. Ballast is required for the septic tank and pump chamber.

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The existing septic tank is going to be pump crushed and removed. Still tra still control is not specified. Sorry, got a little tickle. The septic tank and SAS separations to the wetlands and other wells is greater

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than 100 ft. The well the tank separation is the well to tank separation 84t. Now the the well is a shallow well. So

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the issue that I have is the trench permit needed fill is needed. we would require a water test. Now, today >> there's a twobedroom house on 2/3 of an

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acre. So, it doesn't even now doesn't fit the nitrogen sensitive area. The septic tank and the pump chamber, we were going to have more than 100 feet to the well. can be more than 100 feet, but

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it's not the ties. I designed ties needed for the tanks. Additional tide needed for the SAS. Neil's designer still has trouble recognizing that if you swing two arcs, that septic that SAS

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can move. those because all it all all it's got to do it's a trapezoidal linkage and all it's got to do is stay connected someplace on each of those arcs so it it can the two ends can rotate on those arcs so you need a third time

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u stick I'm gonna can I opine on something >> this is 128 south correct >> 126 >> 126 >> 126 Okay. 126.

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Okay. Yeah. 128 is 63 acres. This one is Yeah. Just under just under.7 acres. >> Now, >> yeah, >> these homes are bought the Laflam farm. So, the question is, do you think Laflam

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farm Do you think they're using nitrogen-based fertilizer on the Laflan farm? >> I think Yeah. >> Yeah. So the point is whatever we put in the ground from wastewater I think dwarfs or is dwarfed by the fertilizer

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placement on the big field behind the behind that house. So again just as a practical matter just as a practical >> and that's what a question that's why it's not something that that I said has to be the other thing the other thing that that

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we let's get through it and I'll move I'll move back to what happens to us when we end up with the SAS design and how we end up doing it and what it does to the septic system and the nitrogen

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is the Neil is we've told Neil that if if they increase this thing and especially if they do an ADU that that well is going to end up having to be replaced and that

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it it comes into a whole different world once you put a separate another dwelling unit. The guy knows that that the breakout on the south side of ASAS when I go through and do that the math of it

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and look at the elevations that I don't see that this thing can be done without having the same wall going around there. And that's just a matter of physics. Someone go and and geometry and can it fit? And when I do it, it can't fit. And

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that that's not I'm not the guy who's supposed to do it other than I'm checking the design and says it doesn't fit. It doesn't work. And the and also now you that well Bill as you point out the code says that a wall needs a PE

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stamp on these designs. So, as we look at this though, what we need to be careful for, and it's come up a couple times, but it's going to come up here, is that when we end up

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telling people that they have to increase the size of their bleach field by a factor and then we do it by instead of saying it has to go up by 25%. or we are just we say oh you've got to

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increase the capacity by the extra what we call the 110 gallons for the kitchen. So it essentially says you're going to increase the capacity of the leech field by 33% on for a three-bedroom house. So we have to realize that that's what we

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said about leech fields. But if you're not careful, you back into someone saying, "Hey, you just crossed over into nitrogen sensitivity." If you say that's the volume, you got to go in there. And then all of a sudden, in a case where

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Neil had this thing originally set up for for an extra bedroom. So with the two extra kitchens, all of a sudden his septic system tanks aren't big enough. And so we have to realize that what we've done is we've asked for a

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SAS size increase. We haven't just arbitrarily increase the whole size of everything in the system. So So we have to do that. So this one and until you you deal with these Neil, this one's not done either.

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>> So what so what I guess what's the answer? What do you want him to do? I mean, we discussed this and you so he decided to put the ADU if he does an ADU in in the existing house. So, that would become a three-bedroom.

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He added a kitchen that's not there, potentially could be there. And so, we discussed that and you said, so unless he designs for that second kitchen, you'll never let an ADU go in there. And you also said that if he does

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do an ADU, he has to drill a well. He's aware of that, but he's not doing an ADU yet. He's just getting ready in case he does do it. So, right now, his well is sufficient, >> right? And that but you have to do the test that we we have you do.

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>> Yeah. No, I I did the test and I thought I had already sent it, but I I emailed >> you did it. It's been >> I sent it again tonight. So, we you you definitely have it. So >> the the the question is if you look at these things can you it looked to me

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like you got a pump you could easily say you know what >> we could move the get the 100 ft you definitely need to you need to look at that south side Neil I don't think it it just doesn't fit the way you've got it designed he doesn't put the elevations in

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>> okay all right I'll add a wall there not a big deal >> but but this one as we tal about this is he's just designing an extra big leech field. That's all he's doing, >> right? >> And there there's nothing in the code that stops you that

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>> but so one of your comments says well needed for any bedroom increase beyond existing two >> physical bedroom. So if you if he what it really meant is that if he builds an ADU, >> he has to do the well.

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>> Okay. Yeah, he knows that. >> Okay. That's what that really is. And that and it's not a what this is is a a item of discussion and it's stuff that that I typically would in a design review. I'd get in touch with you, but

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I've just had so many things and you had so many things on these designs. I said, I'm never going to get any of them done if I try to get through each one of yours. And I just said, I'm just going to put these down as discussible items

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and it shows up here. Okay, >> the next one is I think this one's just simple new construction. >> By by the way, Neil, did did you just do colifform and bacteria or did you not do nitrogen as well?

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>> Oh, I definitely did nitrogen. >> You did. Let me let me scroll. >> Yeah, that's the one we want. That's the one. >> Yeah, let me know. That's the one you want. It's on there. >> Scrolling through this right now. Hold on. Stand. >> You know what's interesting? I had a guy drive up my driveway yesterday or the

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day before and he lives on a street that's got got uh all shallow wells or lots of shallow wells and sand and he's a very responsible environmental guy. and he wanted to know where his water where he

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could test his water because he's afraid he's got nitrates in his water. >> And from his own fertilizing >> and uh what I did tell him is that to my the best of my knowledge, we haven't had

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one of these systems that and Neil is the one I think that's done most of the checking on on these. I think you've had you've had the design fail and I don't do you recall any of them that have failed a nitr nitrates test.

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>> Uh no. >> Yeah, Dick. This one on South Street nitrate came in at 1.56 and of course the allowable limit is 10. So it came in around 15% of the allowable. So that's fine. >> Yeah, it's good.

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And I would guess here that the the system if you look at the water table gradient on on this spot that Neil watch on it it has to be sloped downhill to the to the west. It's going down into

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into Laflams even where Laflam puts stuff on it. It's headed toward Stony Brook. >> I agree. So, so that's that one. The next one is 282 I mean 288-2 Ammer Street.

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>> Well, it's really 294. It's really 294. >> 294 Ammer Street. >> Yeah. 294. >> Yeah, you got that. You got that from Allen. So, that's okay. That's a See, you do typos, too. >> Oh, I do too. For sure.

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>> I do too. So, this one to get us oriented, if you're going on Ammer Street, cross over uh Aldridge Lake and hit Bachelor Street. So, that's coming in from your right. And then you

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immediately start going up the hill. And just as you go up the hill, you you actually cross a little brook that's or I don't know it's a brook, but a little low spot. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at the I'm looking at the aerial photo right now.

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>> And then there's a lot that that heads off to the right to the east. >> Yeah. It's a flag lot. Yeah. >> Just before you're going up the hill. In fact, I think it ab butts Eddie Trompky's old house. So as just before you start going up the

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hill or just as you start going up and this lot is house is well up there parallel to Bachelor Street up in there up in the woods and it turns out that where that

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hill on your that to the your north or the west there is really pretty nasty till there's lot sand on it and there's a fair amount. So, so, uh, this one is

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is the the design, uh, let me see is that it's a 8,300 square foot lot, deep sands, no observed water table. There are wetlands to the south, that

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little brook type thing. The issues are the wetlands. The the other I had an an OB I've said is an issue is our observation holes weren't under where they not really under where they put the trenches. The design is for a new

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1500gallon two compartment tank with outlet filter. Three three-foot by 54T by 1.2 foot effective depth trenches. They're vented. Uh I didn't say that they're terrace. I think they're level

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the 440 gallons a day provided versus 440 required. Neil is calling out for some spills. U the reserve, you know, I've got this thing. This is

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another typo, Neil, because I've got That's another one I did. It says the reserve area is not provided. It absolutely. Well, it is on the it is on the >> septic layout, but not on the uh crosssection.

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>> Yeah. Pardon me, Neil. What's the address of this? >> 294 >> 294 Ammer Street, according to Mass Mappers, an existing house. >> Yeah, but they're they they've subdivided. They haven't approved. >> Okay.

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>> They haven't approved. >> Okay. >> So, there isn't on one of the views there isn't a a reserve area. Okay. What? Five foot water table separation is is provided. Ballast isn't required. Uh so this is this is my cut and paste.

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Existing septic tank to be pumped, crushed and still that's not true. Uh and I've said that there there is still taken control specified the septic tank and that say a separation of wetlands and other wells greater than 100 ft. So,

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where I've got to discuss is the trench permit fill regulations uh needed fill for the last reserve trench. So, there must have been something I saw reserved trench on some drawing, Neil, because I've called out that you didn't put enough fill. So,

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some place I saw it. >> Well, on the cross-section it doesn't show the nine foot, but on the on the system layout it does. So, I'll add it to the cross-section. >> Okay. that does the additional tie needed for the SAS ties needed for the

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septic tank uh change all street references there's at least two of them that say Ammerst Road as compared with Ammerst Street and it's significant in that Ammerst Road is right near there. >> Yeah, I only found it once but Oh yeah,

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I see it again. Okay. Yep. So doing that and then what happens is if if you look at the I think we're probably in good soil but I don't know if you look at the deep holes Neil that you put the the leech field so that only

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one trench kisses the two holes and the whole rest of the system basically the whole system other than those little spots that kiss them aren't in any of those the holes that we dug. Well, if I slide it to the north, will

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that be okay? I was just trying to keep it away from driving. >> If you did, you if you slid it 20 ft, you could avoid or whatever it is. You could stick the two holes in the middle of the system and and we should be fine. >> Yeah. I I'll just shift it over

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>> and then then it works. Then you don't have any have to spend any more money, >> right? Okay. >> Time. But that's that's what I had. And there is we talked Neil when you weren't here the the last time that

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there there's a a question of the board has said for these that that were in general were concerned that that both at this point there's two there were three of you but at this point you and Bobby are are doing

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stamping ing that the the person of record is is a third party person in both of the cases and and our concern is that that they're not involved

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and and that that we as a board at the last meeting said that that these discussions should involve them. they should understand and be owners of the of what they're stamping.

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And I think if Lee and and Bill are are again, if I'm not here, it's going to be you two guys that are making up the the rules and not the three of us. But the last time we met, we said that we

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thought that that I'm I'm going to while we're talking though, I'm going to speak for the for someone that Neil ought to be I know I can see it on the other side of his glasses. He's really ready to tell me

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something, say this to us that we're saying to have those guys here and listening. And when Neil and I were out in the field, Neil said, "Hey, you know, do you think that that vice

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president of Tai and Bond that throws his big old fancy steel on the drawing that he puts out, do you think he's ever been out of the field or that he does he really have any ownership or does he have faith in the people that are

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working for him?" And that then and Neil asked me what I thought and I thought I probably didn't see those vice president. They dress in really really nice suits at least when I used to deal with and my guess is that they aren't

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walking through the brambles in those suits. So So do we stick with this? For sure. We're feeling we're feeling we're feeling it on both

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of you guys that that Neil, you're the yours is worse because you've got another person in there, the designer, you know, when you say, "Oh, that guy did this or that guy did that." And just kind of like the dog ate my

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homework kind of thing. recognizing that that as you saw I made mistakes here tonight and that but but the mistakes we're talking about aren't usually they're not I don't think they're your mistakes. I think you know what you're doing, but

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the guy that's that's doing the design makes those mistakes and and you're not >> he's not doing the designs. He's actually just doing draft thing. But >> yeah, >> so I don't know, Lee and and Bill, what

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are how do we how do we try to get at this? >> Well, what's our objective, Dick? Well, one objective would be that you you meet what the code says. And the code says that those guys do have they do have ownership. They're responsible

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and they're and and maybe they don't do it right. Maybe they don't review. Maybe they hire someone to review so that they do it. But it it's there's going to be trouble if if I'm not here in two weeks. Somebody's gonna

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be going through this baloney and it's not fun. But I tell you it wasn't fun today. So I that one of the one of the ways to do it is to come up with a the guy that I dealt with from the state

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gave me a copy of the state review form what they use when they go through a system. And one of the ways to do it is to say, okay, this review form, someone said the designer goes through the review form and he checks it off and he

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gives it in with the design and said, okay, that's all been reviewed. I don't know. I don't right now if if you had in either case if either of these designers were here and I I thought about it after because I

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was fully on board with the three of the three of us and and they're definitely saying to comply with the regulations but if you say what is it going to make from my selfish standpoint the design

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review easier But I I hear all sorts of things that when you look at the when you look at health agents not being there, I have had a feeling for at least what I'm told is the health

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agents are not expert in septic system design. I will say that a guy that the guy that I dealt with at the state I would say was an expert in septic system design. So if Neil had his person here right

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now, what would we be doing different? We know that by code Neil can't sign off on it. >> And I I don't mean Neil. >> What would happen is Neil would have his engineers Neil would have his engineer sanitarian present at this meeting

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and maybe theoretically we could ask that person all the technical questions instead of asking Neil ask the designer of record the questions. That's probably the appropriate thing to do cuz he's the person signing off or she's

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the person signing off on the system. >> I mean that was >> that's that's one way to think about that's one way to think about it, >> right? That was that I thought was the whole concept. of this.

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>> So Neil, >> but that but that gives that gives Neil some more insulation because that individual could actually like what Dick's saying, go through the checklist and that individual could go through the checklist to actually do Dick's work for

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him in another as another layer as a final internal review. You see what I'm saying? you have another internal reviewer before you give it to the board of health for the external review and and maybe the number of uh number of

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potential issues would go down marketkedly. That's possible. Maybe not though, just thinking out loud. Well, there's certainly a thing that if if you had if you had the person who stamped it say,

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"I went through and I looked at all of these things and they're all there." >> Yeah. >> That's the thing. I know what's going to happen. If it were me, I would the guy would be telling Neil, "Hey, Neil, take this thing and go through it and sign it

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off and give it to me and I'll sign that, too." >> That's right. I see. That's exactly right, Dick. That's exactly right. I guess there's always a way to beat the system. The the way to beat the certainly the

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way to make it easier for me is for someone, anybody, I don't care if it's Neil or anybody, just look at it. You know, I start looking at these designs. Oh, you know what, Neil? There is one that I

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didn't There's another one that I didn't do for tonight. So, we're on Carver Street. I did look do it and I don't see it. I didn't write it up. >> Was that 294 approved? 294 Ammers. Was that approved? >> No, nothing was No.

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>> No. Okay. >> There's another one. There's a Carver Street one. >> There is a Carver Street. And I don't and I had it in my hand and it was on my pile. It doesn't what happens is it it doesn't have a a full

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package. It's it's another it's a revised design. And I can tell you right now, Neil, that that one has the same there's the the two issues that that I recall that that were problematic were

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the design of the septic system from the AD of septic tank from the ADU that the elevations don't work. It's it's up out of the ground and the the connection for the two

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effluent streams to go in before the the debox have to be detailed. Those those uh I may just but it wasn't ready either. Um,

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do you remember it's on Carver Street, right, Neil? >> Yeah. Yes. >> Just keep hanging there for a second now. I don't I don't see it. It's Is that buried up? a loose drawing file, I'm

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afraid. I'm gonna have to go find it. But if you look, you'll you definitely will will find those. I'll look it up, Neil, and I'll tell you what it is. But it it definitely is still an elevation problem. And it it is with that ADU

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tank. >> The ADU tank. Okay. So >> well, >> so and so at the on this topic, um

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this is something that the state um this is the code topic. Am I at the very base? Is that fair to say is correct?

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Yeah. So that's what it maybe the maybe the issue is to to look at that Neil for you to take a look at what it says in the code about who signs off and how it's done

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and to look and say are you doing that or are you not doing that? >> Okay. Well, so, um, two questions, please. Um, how how, um, likely is it, Neil, that the guy who's

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doing this work with you can dial in like we're doing right now to a meeting once in a while. >> I don't think he'll do it to be honest with you.

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>> Okay. Um, so what do what happens? Well, I'm not trying to put you on the spot. Um, what do other towns do if anything? >> Nothing as far as No, they don't do

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anything. >> Okay. I mean, well, Belch, but I did. >> No, Beltown makes the the uh the um whoever stamps it sign the COC.

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>> Okay. >> That's actually a good policy. That's a good policy. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Ones that the COC's tonight that are here, you you've got him signing it. But yeah, I I figured that wasn't a bad

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idea. >> Okay. >> Okay. I've got While you guys are doing it, you keep talking to Neil and let me then I'm see if I can read my my hand stretch

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on the the lot. So I guess Neil, I'll just talk to you about this offline, the other one because it's I've got a breakout there. You'll see that not only that the tank that I talk about, but if

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you look at the cross-section of the of the the system, the the actual SAS, it just it just doesn't match. And if you look at the ground level that you've got shown on the cross-section of the the trenches

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and then put it back onto the the ground levels that are in the in where the the system at the top of I mean it it's like it's a different drawing. They're not the same elevation.

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>> Okay, I'll check that. >> But I will look just to give you an idea. It would have been the same thing. It would have been see that they don't match. So, >> so it's the same. >> Anyway, that's what those are. That's

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this was a a tough one tonight to go through. >> So, we haven't closed on >> on this. So, one is one is looking at how you comply with the code.

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that's not so much a problem because because what our whole our whole philosophy is we don't want to have anything that goes of them not in compliance with what it needs to be. So,

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so it's it's not really saying, "Oh, let's get the the guy with the stamp so we can go get him when it's wrong." It's way more how do we make sure that the thing isn't wrong? That's that's what the real issue is. So maybe maybe the

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issue, Neil, is is in your court that when you get it back from the from your designer or whatever, your draftsman that you're not doing the same thing I'm doing, >> right? Make sure there's no typos.

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>> Well, then some of these aren't typos. Some of these are really some some of these are really bad things. >> Okay. So I don't know how I don't know what what it is but from but there is there certainly there certainly is a thing

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that that what brought it to this discussion was actually from one of the other professionals that said hey guys and the person handed me two

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sheets of paper and they said how is it that I have to spend my time and use my license to comply with this and you guys are just saying, you know, that part of the code you're not going to enforce.

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And and I didn't have a very good answer. I didn't have a good answer. And I guess ultimately ultimately if one of those guys

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>> get I I'm guessing that the person involved doesn't especially want the business. It's not like he's trying to say, "Gee, you're you're doing this cheaper or you get more of the jobs that I don't think the guy's interested in business, but he he just think but

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ultimately if someone goes to DP and says, "Hey, look what Graanby Board of Health is doing that stuff will come down on us." So, at least be looking and say we we have to we have to be looking at at

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what it what the code says we're supposed to do. >> Okay. >> It's not just you. There's a there's it happens that there there were three people. One of them I think had dropped out of the business that was doing business this way. And uh

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and I read another guy that that the same the same discussion is going to have to and whatever we do we have to do it the same way. Yeah. >> Well, and and and going forward um

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um whether or not it's an election year, but it is. And um in the event that um the board is different in two or four weeks,

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>> um Bill would have a pretty good chance of working through this. And um other than basic stuff, I'd be a fish out of water at this.

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Um which would give um the person sending the designs in uh the upper hand. I get it. You know what I mean? Um,

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but the point is well taken that um, and I'm not suggesting that anyone's taking advantage of anybody else, but the day may come where the to use the wrong term, the playing field

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has to be leveled off a little bit. Um, and the other thing which is obvious to me, and I'm sure everybody's on the same page with this, is that, um, one of the three members puts in a

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tremendous amount of time and energy into this, um, which I don't have since I'm still working full-time. I think Bill's working full-time as well, which doesn't mean that it should all fall on Dick's shoulders, but it

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does. Um, and I, you know, and and and I would be more than open to have a discussion with whoever, you know, Neil, you, Neil, or whoever to come up with a

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way of getting where we need to be um, without tremendously raising anybody's rates, But if that's what we have to do, then I don't know the I don't know the solution

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to the problem. at at some point in time as we're being pressured by the um this Hampshire County Coalition, I think they eventually would like to assume a lot of

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this work um and take it away from some of the smaller towns. Um Graanby being one of them. And at that point, I'm not sure how they're going to address this whole topic. Um but that day is coming as well.

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So, that being said, um, you know, I'm just, um, >> I'm open to some, uh, some discussion back and forth to

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work with everyone that we're working with now only to attain um, the code being um not sidestepped but dealt with and do it in

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a obviously a cooperative professional manner to attain the goal. >> Why to make this work with you Neil? I think it is worthwhile for the town's people because the that it doesn't seem

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like the good answer is the to make it so that people again like you that are we just we just had Allan was in here for for another thing and and he was talking about you know walking the

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ground not not actually it wasn't for septicus but when you look at that people that that of have the interest of this group of

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people that you're in, not just not just you, others that that feel good about looking in holes and digging holes and seeing what water does and seeing what the difference is and making a good system work. It's it's working in little

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spots doing little things compared to, you know, we just look at tai and bond and getting tai and bonds people out and saying what they going to do to a septic system design $10,000 or whatever whatever they're writing their people

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off at $250 an hour or something. You don't get many many things done in $1,000 $250 an hour. you hardly get out on the site for that. So that you're not and then when they're looking at it, you

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know, maybe they're good for building septic systems for 500 unit apartments, but what fits on a little lot in Graanby, that's not what they're they do. And they and so so pushing it to say

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those are the only guys that are left doing it isn't going to fix our problem. It's not going to make the the water quality better in the town of Graanby. It's going to make it worse. So, trying to figure out how to make make you and the other people that are are

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left in in the niche that you're filling make it work is a great advantage to the town of Graanby. And but but again it's

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you too are your hat is is covering not the same black thick hair that used to cover and >> Exactly. >> Yeah. True.

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So, so it this isn't this isn't a little issue for us and it may be a big issue in two weeks, but but uh we'll see. We'll see. >> Okay.

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>> Oh, we can get on with our stuff, I guess. >> Okay. try to look at my my design for Carver or your design and my reviews for Carver's reason and uh usually I scratch them up and then write up my my little report quickly. When I go back I can't

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read my writing anymore. So I'm gonna have to go through the review again. >> Okay. >> Okay. So that's where we are for tonight. Thank you for for bearing with us. >> Okay. Thank you. Have a great night. >> Good Neil. Good to see you. Thank you. >> Good to see you. Thank you,

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>> Neil. Thank you. All right. Thank you. >> So, we went we went long tonight. >> We didn't resolve that. >> Well, I mean >> that whole discussion involves about six talking points. Each one is worth about a day of discussion. This this is an

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extremely complicated situation. It really is. And it's going to take a lot of thought to resolve. >> It is. Well, is is part of it because like right now there's three guys that

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are handing in designs in in this area primarily. Maybe >> That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Bobby, Neil, and Al. That's right. Yeah. >> Right. And sometimes Peter >> Yeah, Peter gets one. You're right. That's about right.

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>> Right. Um >> most guys of it, >> but is that the same is is is that group which is aging um as we all are. Is that part of the

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same group of sanitarians which are also aging out and not bothering with this line of work? Um, do they all just go to

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a larger employer for some obvious reason such as Ty and Bond or others I don't even know about uh to avoid the uh pitfalls of trying to do this on your own. So that what I mean

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is is the state asking us to do things in an environment which is changing but the state's not keeping up with the change or listen I >> Dick you have do you have do you have title five in front of you right now

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>> let's let's let's take a quick read of the code take it'll take about two minutes and see if I can find >> maybe that that at least our community is on the edge of where people are still using septic

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systems. Maybe that's what the problem is. >> Oh yeah, good idea. Yeah, I wasn't even thinking of that. >> Maybe. It may be. Okay. Provisions.

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>> All right. Certificates of compliance. That's 15.021. It says the system installer and the designer. Now the question is let's look at the definition of what a

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designer is. Hey, you have to go into you have to go into designer. >> Okay, I'm in it right now. Okay, designer. Here's designer. a registered sanitarian or PE registered in the Commonwealth

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who has either designed the system or has witnessed all phases of the system installation for the purpose of making the certification required of the designer. So he's either designed the system

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ores and or has witnessed all phases of the system installation. >> Yeah, >> that's a we that's a weird that's a weird statement. It says registered engineer or sanitary in the Commonwealth who has either

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designed the system and or has witnessed all phases of the system installation for the purpose of making the certification required of the designer under 15.021.

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So it says the first thing it says is that person has to be either a registered sanitarian or P. >> That's right. >> That's the person. >> Then under that it says okay once you're one of those

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>> then you have to either have designed it >> or you have to be familiar with the complete installation. One of the two of those things or both. But it starts off saying you have to have a stamp.

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So if you look at if you look at that person that you know the third party that we're seeing in in the case of Bobby and and Neil, that person hasn't done either of

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those. Yeah. I haven't designed it. So, I'm sure you could go and say, "Oh, wait a second. Does that mean you had to have designed every detail of it?" No, you obviously haven't done that. You haven't designed the size of the bolts

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and the flanges? >> Yeah. >> So, there's some level. >> Well, they're the specifier. They're essentially the specifying engineer. Got to remember septic design isn't really design dick. It's more specifying because you were using canned canned

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criterion essentially. >> So anyways, it does it tells you that >> they're looking for kind of hands-on people. >> Yeah. They're looking for the person that's stamped the drawing to sign off

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on the system. I think that's what they're looking for. So, does Neil sign off on the system or does his engineer sign off on the system? >> This is the first week that I've I've seen Neil the engineer sign off on >> Oh, okay.

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>> Up until now, it's been Neil. >> All right. Well, it's a step in the right direction because now look at the liability chain, Dick. Say something goes south and this ends up in court. What do you think's going to happen? Well, I'm afraid they're going to come

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at least be saying, "Hey, Lord of hell, you guys are reviewing this and everything, but you you know that that Neil doesn't have the Duke to be doing this. How come you're letting that happen?"

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>> That That's right. So you certainly can go back, me and Lee, you me and Lee are at potential peril because of this. >> Yeah. But but from the other standpoint, you really say that sanitarian has got a

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stamp and and he's he's got his signature and say, "Who are we?" The state is the one that gave him that license to do that. And he's got his name on a document that said, "I'm responsible for this. I can we can look

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and say are the rules followed but what do does every drawing do does the board of health have the responsibility to check who actually did the drawing or to see if somebody did a calculations? How can you do that? Yeah. >> You have to say does it have the right

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stamp on it? >> Yeah. I got I got a little I got a white paper I'm going to send you Dick. I'm going to send you a white paper. Not tonight but at some point and we can go. That will be a little bit of enlightening information for all of us. I'll send it out. Not not tonight,

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though. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But again, this is good. This is good. These are good talking points because this this is a big this is kind of a big issue. I agree 100%. >> Well, >> and I know where Neil's coming from and

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I know where all these guys are coming from on this. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I mean to to simplify things um what if

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um what if an engineer that board simply takes on the role of doing the design reviews for the aforementioned

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people that are submitting designs. and discontinue their current relationship with uh the people they're using now and make a new relationship with another another

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local person that we're all familiar with. And there may be a little bit of money changing uh and maybe a little bit of a price increase, but if that's what we need to

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do to uh survive the state code, um and who are we to deny it? You know what I mean? >> Mhm.

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Um, we're not I don't think and and like I said, you know, five minutes ago, if if if um it hits the lottery and buys a uh some beachfront property in New Zealand, then uh

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things are going to be uh a little uh interesting here in the future. Well, I've seen instances where overseas engineer stamp drawings, and I mean over in Central Asia, Dick. >> Yeah.

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>> And they're stamping drawings and emailing them to people in the United States. And that's that's kind of that's kind of the way out. But we're not, as it turns out, we're not violating

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any of these regulations that you >> I don't think I don't think the board of health is. That's for sure. >> I don't think so either. I think the issue that we're talking about is that for me, it's a it's a lot of work to to

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make these things in some cases be correct. We're the ones that are checking to make sure that the code is is being followed. But for sure, we're not approving any designs that don't have PE or sanitarian stamps on it. We

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never do that ever. Ever. >> That's right. And I it's it's a that's that's the part that if you're if you're having those people show up that stamp it and to be

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saying look it we don't want to be working with these mistakes that if if you in fact are going to stamp a drawing and make it legal then then and by right the board of health, he ought

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to be saying, "Hey, board of health, I've got the stamp to do that. You guys, who are you to be telling me not to do this?" And the reason we do it say, "Yeah, don't you don't comply with the regulations?" That's who we are.

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But the but that they're the ones with the stamp. They're the state has said, "You guys are capable of doing that. you guys are we're demanding that you have that on the drawing and we're just once again saying, you

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know, the rules that the state has aren't it's it's being left to us to protect the people in the town. And it shouldn't be. It should be it's up. It's different to say, okay, the board has got some different rules that that the

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state allows you to have some more stringent rules for your circumstances, but it most of this stuff isn't that. Most of it is saying comply with the rules that are written down. And that's what makes it so much work.

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So, >> okay, maybe we should go on to the next topic. >> We should go on because it said it's now 8:30. >> And I can tell Colleen's getting tired. >> Yeah, I am too. >> Yes, meeting minutes.

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>> Oh, forget. >> So, we've done the first thing is uh meeting minutes. Are we How did we do with meeting minutes? I just had a There weren't many corrections, were there, Charlie? There was only one little correction.

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>> No. Yeah, you just made one little correction. >> How are we? Are we going to accept these guys? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, Colleen, we accepted those. >> Okay. The next one I'm going to pull out of order. So, we're already We just did

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this. We approved 288 uh Hammer Street. That's the big system next the big lot next to to uh Aldrich Lake. We approved that was designed. That was Allen's design. >> Yeah. He also has a he's got a there's a

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wealth permit with that from uh that quabin well and all they're doing that they're giving us the the same drawing that we just approved and saying can we put in the the well where you guys just approve it. We should be okay with that. Would

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you say? >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Yes. >> Lee, are you okay with that? >> Yes. Thank you. Yes. >> Next one would be Kylen has got two time sheets. One of them is

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ends on I got them out of order. One is from the 5th of April to the 18th of April. That's for 54 hours their normal new time. Colleen,

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some of this is this one that's got u thick time in it, right? >> Yes. A little. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. >> Okay. And then the next one is from the

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April 19th to May 2nd. That one has got that's also for 54 hours. That one's got some tick time in there too, Colleen. >> Yes. Yeah. Are we okay with both of these? >> Yes.

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>> Yes, >> I am too coming. >> Okay, >> then the next one is uh should have got them out of order. Um

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this one is a schedule of department bills table is for bill stuff. got two things. One is the mileage for 1320 for 33 miles and the other is for

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inspections. That is $29 inspections of $35 and that's $1,15. Lee Bill, are you going to just abstain for this one? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm recused on this one because it's my my invoice. Thank you. >> Okay.

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>> Lee, are you all set with this? >> Yes. Thank you. >> I am too, Colleen, for that. >> The next one is department payable to the treasurer and this for this period is uh

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$3,110 of that is $1,150 for board of health permits, $960 for board of health licenses, a th000 for board of health fees, and that's it. That's for the

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total of the 3110. Are we set with that? >> Yes. >> Yes, >> I am concerned. So that's >> your next one is going to be this is for a bakery license.

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U a bakery temporary food permit for charter day for Amy's Route 9 bakery for Charter Day. Colleen, this is only for bakeries. Baked goods. Yeah, she has a licensed kitchen and it's just it's all

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>> you have a license kitchen besides >> Yeah, it's all non potentially hazardous. Yeah. So, just baked goods. >> Was this one that that Lynn will on all of these? I guess there Lynn will inspect them. Huh?

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I don't think she needs to inspect that one, but the others will be because there be all the food, the mobile food. >> This one is if she's going to have a booth there, should we should we just have Lynn just

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do that instead of saying there's one that she's not going to inspect? >> Oh, yeah. Well, that's up to you. Yeah, but >> she could have she could be hooked up to the water or she could have something that's not right that that you say, "Gee, this this is sight specific that

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Lynn ought to just say, oh yeah, >> you don't you're not taking your water out of the bucket." >> Yeah, I'll give her that one to inspect also. >> Sure. >> Are we okay with with this one and give it to Bill and Lee? Give it to Lynn. >> Yes. Yeah.

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>> Okay. I am too, Kelly. >> Okay. The next one is Women of Church of Christ temporary food permit for May 23rd. It's a tag sale food booth on the

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common. Are we set with this one? >> I am. >> Yeah, I'm good. >> Yes. Yes. >> We're all together, Colleen. That's used to. >> The next one is a renewal to operate a mobile food server. This is the high

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place from South Adley. They have their own light food prep place. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. They got their own kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. >> Are we okay with this? I am. >> Yes. >> All three of us are selling. >> Okay. >> Next one. I can I can group them if we

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want. We've got renewal for bruisers, barbecue, and he's furnace. And now this one is for a mobile food service for teas and dessert. There's another one is mobile food server for pulled pork and

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sandwiches. uh he goes that he's got a license in Pikab for his base of operations. This is so that's one. The next one is

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Poppy's concession. This is all going to be for charter day. Um and that one is for this year is They are permit to operate a food establishment.

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Pop is that they've got one in Cumington. They've got a license from the Cumington for to do that. Are we okay for this one? >> Yes. >> I didn't ask on the last one. Are we okay also for Brun's barbecue?

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>> Yeah. Yes. >> Yeah. >> I am too. Okay. The third one is Dino's concession. They also now these are all subject to lending to to Colleen. >> Yes. >> This is hamburger, hot dog, corn dogs

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and grinders. And another one is fried dough, funnel cake, uh fried Oreos, fried Twinkies, fried candy bars. That's two of them. And they also have their license, their annual license to operate

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out of he does it out of Tom's long dog a long dog and grill from Weightley that got their license and their permission and the owner's permission to to dino. So are we okay with that one too? Those

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two. >> Yep. >> I am too. All of those are subject to to Lynn. >> Mhm. >> Next one is the melt and this is a wedding at uh

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it looks like it it's a due frame and but it's actually to operate a mo a food service mobile food service. They've got a base of operation certificate. Uh,

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so they're all set from in the town of Boil. Are we set for them? >> Yes, we're good, Dick. >> I I I am subject again to Lynn. >> The next one is going to be the

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get my things out of my way. Uh, this is Mckinstry Market Garden. And it's it's actually a license to sell retail food. And there's another one, a license to sell milk and cream. And this

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is in the old Sepalski farm, their building. >> Mhm. >> I guess subject once again to with new ownership for sure Lynn should go in, I would say. Huh. >> Yeah. Bill, are you okay with this?

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>> She should go. >> That's fine. >> So that's that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next one is this is for

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Carol parole at Happy Days Mini and driving range. And this first one is for manufacturing frozen desserts and ice cream. The next one is

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to operate a food service establishment with disposable plates and utensils to be used and food prep with minimal grease generating food. Annual pumping of septic tank required. The third one is

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to sell retail food at also all three of those. Are we set with that? >> Yes. Yes. >> And I am too, fell. >> Okay. >> The next one is

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this is an application. Now you this was a It's just the application for a disposable system construction permit. And this was for I can't even read it.

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This is from Bobby Shan. And I think this was for a tank and deox. But I'm trying to see what this is. Telling maybe it's just a tank. >> Tank. Um. >> Yeah. With a new 1500galon two

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compartment tank. I don't know if I not bright enough them here for me and I don't have a light. Do you know for sure what this is, Colleen? Is it just a tank? Is this >> uh It says with new 1500galon two

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compartment septic tank with gas baffles and outlet filter tank to be connected blah blah uh debox to be replaced. >> Okay, so it's a tank and debox. Did you This is just the application, but Are we

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also I thought I saw some place on our on my list that it was a certificate of compliance. >> Oh, let me No, not for this one. >> No, it's just an application. >> Just the application. >> Are we okay? >> Lee did. In fact, this was an emergency.

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I think they I think it's in anyway. >> I think Greg put this in. I'm not positive. Lee, do you know? No. >> Okay. >> I can check with Greg. >> This is for 16 crescent.

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>> Yeah, I understood that this was a a tank that the top had collapsed and people were going to fall in it. >> So, >> this must be across from the uh safety uh uh highway department garage.

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That's what I I think. I'll check I can check with Everson about that. Uh Dick, >> this would have been a fill system. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't approve the application. >> Well, you're right. Yeah, that's that's

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that mounted system. They all are. Yeah. >> Yeah. Are you okay with this bill, too? >> I'm good, Dick. Thank you. >> Okay, the next one is he's got a double one. Oh, this is Cindy's and this is Allan signing off on

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the certificate of compliance and and as a second it's it's actually two documents. It's a a COC but it's also an ad. Are we okay with that, Lee? >> Yes. Sendies. Yeah, that's all done. Uh

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Joshua Sugar did that. >> Yep. >> Are you set with that, too? Yeah, I'm good, Dick. >> I am too, Colleen. So, that's both the COC and the Adult. The next one is

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now this one is with for Paul and Pagna signed off on this. Neil Jackson and u looks like Greg Everton. So, it this is certificate of compliance for Lawrence

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Humphrey at 95 Taylor Street. Mhm. >> It looks like a a tank and distribution bus. >> That's correct. Yes. >> And this one's done. >> It is. Yes. Uh about I don't know five,

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six weeks ago. Yeah. >> Okay. Are you okay with this though? >> Yeah, I'm good, Dick. >> I am too, Colleen. So that's >> Okay. >> Here's another certificate of compliance. This is Alan Sapokei of 128R School Street. It looks like a

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new distribution box. This is also signed by >> by the engineer. So that's done link. >> That is that is correct. It is in. Yes. >> I'm okay with this bill. Are you?

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>> Yeah, we're good. >> Okay. So that's >> okay. The next one is from Alan Weiss and this is a this is both a COC and an ASUL for

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Kodair lot one 92 Chabe Street. This I think this this one may be the one that was installed with the house not built yet. >> I need to check. But I'm actually I'm the one I inspected that one. I'm not

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sure why I'm the one that inspected, but I did inspect that. >> That's that's the uh Yeah, that's the new construction. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's Keith Bradway did that. Yes, that was the one I think that Jerry

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was running out of time and it was a they crammed it in, >> you know, within >> Yeah, they only had like two weeks to get it done or something. >> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that was just poor planning on their part. >> Yeah, I did inspect that. That was

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actually was a good system. >> Are we okay with this one? >> Yes. >> Sure. Okay, Colleen, that we're set with that. >> The next one is Eversource Energy, and

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that this is a a beaver out of season beaver trapping, and they're it was flooding electric line. And uh the day they were looking for a I think they wanted to start what? Today or yes,

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this week? Monday. >> This week. Yep. And it looks like it looks like you signed off on a bill. >> Yeah. Yeah. This we coordinated with um with the the trapping people in conservation.

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And I'm not I'm not I don't approve of the method to euthanize the beavers, but that's the way it is. >> What is the Hancock trap? The one that drowns them. >> Yeah. Awful. That's just my opinion.

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>> Yeah, I've actually seen I think that's the Is that the one where they anchor one end of the wire underwater and that what happens is it gets trapped and it tries to swim away and it it doesn't apparently they don't swim back towards where they were. They actually

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go down to the end of the the wire and drown. >> That's right. Exactly. Yeah. Again, I don't like that, but there's nothing we can do about it. Yeah. They're probably a

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guess compared to clamping their legs into a a jaw trap and let them die that way is a pretty terrible way. >> Yeah. >> So, okay.

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So, you sign off. This we're just we're just allowing this. Now, this one is only a 10day permit as I recall. >> That's right. It's a 10-day permit. And if they want to get another one, they can come for a second one.

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>> So, and in fact, I can I think I can get two renewals. So, >> I I think you're I know at least one. At least one. >> So, what we should do is if if that's the case, Phil, do do let me be the one

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that approves it. I may not be here to approve it, but I'll approve this one. But my suggestion is that that we uh we let Bill if if they come in, we're not going if we're not going to meet what are we going to meet two weeks from

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two weeks from now. >> Yeah. >> So if that's the case, they could easily during that period be coming for a renewal. Do we do we let Bill we authorize Bill to do that again?

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>> I think we should. >> Sure. Sure. Yes. >> Okay. So, that's how we'll handle that. So, that that what I didn't have is there was a on my sheet Colleen it said that there was a COC

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for five fairy hill roads. I never >> I never received it. Yeah, I never got it from Neil. He said it was coming and then I don't I didn't get it. So before I left today, so >> we don't have it.

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>> It looks like we have for title five. I read See if there are four. I read four title five. See if Colleen Colleen has four of them. There are

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>> one is at New Lelo Road that passed from Bob Norman. Another one was at 75 Kendall Street that passed from Allen White. Both of those were were modern systems, Goodwater Table Separation. And

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I think both of those had two compartment 1500-gallon tanks. So those are new ones. And then there were two of them. one from 37 Harris Street from Bob Norman that failed. It looked really awful. And then another one was 97 East

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Street from Nathan Terretti and that looked terrible. Are are we going to accept all four of those? >> Yes, please. Yep. >> Yep. I'm good. >> I am too compelling. So, those are all done. >> Okay. The

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next is approval for building department applications. New houses lot 10 Carver Street. Again, why 49 West Street and 49 West Street. Now,

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how do we on on these bill? You're just you just sign off on these. Is that what what happens? >> Yeah. Yeah. These are these are building permit apps on existing homes

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and the objective is to make sure they're not building over well lines or leech fields. >> Well, these are two new ones. >> These are these are new homes, right? >> Oh, no, no, new homes. I don't sign off on new homes. I left those for for us to sign off on. Yeah, new homes. I'm not

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signing off on. They got to come to the full board. Yeah, these are these two that people are looking for the sign off. These two are new houses. The lot 10 Carver Street for Keith Bradway and then 49 West

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Street or I don't know. >> Now, both of those have approved septic systems. And do they both have wells that were installed? >> One of these has a >> They do. They do. I want to see if you

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you >> I sent you the water reports on these, but they both have approved septics and they both have water reports that I sent. >> Now, we have >> at 49 West Street. That was that lot in

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the in that wet area. >> Yeah. >> Where they had to be very specific about location since there was only a very narrow >> Yeah. um location where the SAS could go. >> And Bill, I think the conservation

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commission had ended up signing off on that one, didn't they? >> That's right. Exactly. Yep. >> Now, one of the And I can't find my list of things that I made copies of. One of these

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the I've got a water report, Colleen, that you sent us >> for one maybe it's lot one west street which is probably this one. >> That's one. Yeah, that's the 49 West Street is lot one.

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>> Now that one which I don't see all the junk when I went looking for for Neil. One of those has sodium and I don't know the answer. Has sodium

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that's like 40. >> Oh yeah. >> The the maximum is 20 and it got that normally from Phoenix. We get we

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get Quabin does the What does this the bacterial? But do we know what this one means? Did you guys read this?

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This says that the the iron level exceeds the iron level is 0.8. 8 and the recommendation is.3. So it's too high in iron. It also then sodium is the one that I

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don't understand. It's also I'm go back to sulfate or 308 with a but it's a recommended one of 250. That's that's not a bad one.

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Dissolved solids turbidity is eight and recommended is five. But all that is cloudy. So the the real question that I have for the board is the sodium is a different standard.

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It's it's 48. It's almost 50 and the standard is 20. And but this is an OSG level which is different than these

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SML which are recommended but I don't know what what the do you guys know what that means what that standard whether this is actually rejectable Where can Bill go?

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>> I have to call um I could put call to Quaban Analytical. I ask them to uh throw me a definition of this test. >> Yeah. to try to find out Colleen what that

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>> the RG >> other other levels >> and and to find out if that O failing the OSG for per for sodium that's 50 48

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parts per million versus the 20 part standard and that that fails the OSG G guidelines are whether that whether it's just a goal or

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whether that's actually a failed value. >> Okay. >> And maybe you know you probably could call you could call Phoenix number >> that's there. Yes. Right. Okay. >> And find out.

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It doesn't say on here >> actually. So we could be in a spot in terms of bill if the water on Carver Street is good I think. So we should be able to sign off on that to tell

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>> have Colleen tell them that that it's okay. >> Is that right? >> Yes. Yes. I think so. So we'll do that. Colleen, are we in a spot so we don't wait two more weeks? If this if the

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>> if the OSG limit failure is just a guideline, can we just tell Colleen she can say okay on this? But if it's a if it's something that says you can't drink it, then we shouldn't sign off if you can't drink

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it. Is that right, Lee? >> Yeah, I would I would fully support that. Yeah, that way we give Colleen the option uh to keep the project going if it's something that's um non-critical.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So that Colleen, did you understand that? So yes, when you call up if they say that's just a guideline, >> you know, that it's okay. It's just >> okay to go, >> then it's okay. If it says no, no, no,

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that's that really is a failure. You can't then we have to say you have to find a way someone will have to get a a water guy that comes in and say I can fix this. >> Okay. >> I think they can fix it anyways. I think all they have to do is put reverse

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osmosis in it. >> Yeah. Yeah. To say tell tell the board what they'll do. Okay. >> Yeah. Have another here's another business for us. I've got too bad that

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it's too bad that we lost Bill. >> Lost Bill >> because Ken Lane is a problem. I got a issue of the guy that that's trying to pour his his concrete

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across the street. Look, he ended up building his driveway up and I think he's going to be okay. But the two issues are it looks like the owner at 12 Kin Lane after she promised

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me that the next day she would talk to someone and get that that line tied up, tested and tied up to the to the catch basin. Looks like she hasn't. She certainly didn't hook it up. The

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question is whether she even did anything. But the the one that Here's Bill coming back on. >> Okay. I apologize. I lost internet for a few minutes here. >> Okay. That we're we're uh

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on our water at at 49. Uh we Lee and I approved the good water for the project at at 10 Carver for Keith Broadway. >> Okay. >> For 49 that failed that OSMG or whatever

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test. What we did is gave Colleen an assignment >> to go to Phoenix and ask Phoenix if that's a if that's an advisory failure and it's it's okay. It's just advisory. But if it is really a non-drinkable

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water standard, then they should go she has to go back to to Tom Quinnland and said, "No, this isn't portable water. They'll have to get somebody that says it's treatable to make it portable." But we left it so Colleen could resolve it. >> That's fine.

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>> They The last item that I had is Ken Lane 12 Ken Lane. There are two two issues. Actually, the three issues. I got dragged in again because the guy across the street was has had it with

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his driveway flooding and he putting in a new concrete driveway that he lifted up about 4 in and he was just begging while he was pouring could they not be pumping in the street so he wouldn't get his concrete ruined. And

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it looks like nothing was done. But luckily there was no water that was pumped so it didn't ruin the first half of its pore. But that the two issues I that the owner promised me what before

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the last meeting that she would go and get the nugent and see if they could blow out that hose or figure out why the hose going to the the catch basin wasn't working. And it it doesn't look like it doesn't look like she did anything.

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But of other consequence is I was in I think Friday talking to actually I was in the the other town hall and Chris Martin said I

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just wanted to let you guys know I talked to Diane Percy about her step fixes and he said it looks like I'm not going to approve the loan. He says, "Do I talked to her about it

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and you know, I don't know what Diane said. I can only tell you what Chris said." And he said, "She told me, I can't afford a penny more on my social security, and I'm going to get the loan from you guys, but I'm never going to

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pay anything back. You can you're going to put a lean on my house and take it back when I die." And he and Chris said, "I I just it ties up the money. A bank would never allow that." And he said, "I I just can't in

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good faith take the town's money and give it to someone that has already told me she won't pay it back." And he said, "What if she he didn't say what if she was 50 years?" But but I did say it really starts to tie up. If everybody

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who takes that loan does that, it's going to pretty rapidly empty the account. So So I don't know what I'm I'm very very disappointed that you didn't didn't even deal with the the water that's

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going on the street. So I I don't know. I don't know what I do know. If I'm not here two weeks from now, it's not my problem. But but let's say I am going to be here. And and one of the things that I like to

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think is we don't go to court. But but are we at the point that that we have to tell her, you know, you're just not being a good neighbor here? Maybe maybe we could get her at the NA next meeting and ask her what she she

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would do if given this. You want to ask her what she would do if she were up? >> Let's invite her to the meeting and just say at least we can be nice to each other. Mhm. >> We don't have to be be mean, but we

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>> but I think as a board it's probably one of the times that we either have to say, "Yep, flooding that street's okay." And having a septic system that doesn't work right, okay, or else, you know, she's just saying, "No, I'm not going to do

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it." Well, we at at some at at some point uh as I understand this this the septic system is is non nonfunctioning and hasn't been

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functioning for quite some time. >> Well, we can't tell. We can we can just say that >> we we can estimate it's marginal. Well, didn't you and Gal Weiss go in there and dig some holes, Dick? Last year, >> what we found out is that the water

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table was the cold water table was above the the bottom of the subject. So, >> okay, >> you could you could probably say what we didn't see is we didn't see at the time we dug,

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we didn't see the actual water table be above. >> That That's what I recall. That's what I recall. So in terms of a system that we know doesn't work when the water tables dies that you could be pretty sure of that.

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But we still the water in the street is really terrible. And she really it looks like she's just saying I I won't do even the the minimal amount even as though the town put in the pipe for free. She's just saying you know I'm not going to do that. Even

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though it's he didn't talk about >> she's not using the pipe that David D. Roer put in. >> No, he said that the the guy that came in said, "Oh, the whole problem is you put a you put an internal coupling and it cut down the flow and your your pump

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is running all the time and your your basement is is flooding because the pump is running all the time." So, they never no one found out whether the pipe was plugged, whether no one found out anything. And and at least Diane told me. She

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said, "No, they're not engineers." They just said, "Oh, that's what it is." And she decided that it was it was the people that put in the pipe that didn't know what was going they were doing. And so she wasn't going in. And I explained to her that we could help her, that we could look if they got it in where there

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was when the water was still high, we could look and see whether the pumps were in fact undized or there's too much water. But it was key to get it done. So she said, "I'll get it done. I'll get it done the next day." So it's not done. It's not hooked up.

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So you got one on the front of her house. They've got the water. Today it was dry because the the water table's backed up, >> right? >> I mean, obviously the problem here is the tail is wagging the dog on that

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street where one house is disrupting everybody else. uh despite the despite the town's ex expense of time

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uh labor and equipment to rectify this. I think partly based upon the promise at uh at a published meeting uh that uh the

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party in question was committed to fixing this. >> Yeah. And now we find out from the town um that that's not in fact the case. >> Um

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so I don't know at what point in time uh if any the town entertains some type of a collaboration with D for a demand.

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Um, I'm I'm a little bit lost here with this whole thing. It's unfair for all the neighbors. >> It's unfair >> and and the town can't set precedent either by keep on throwing uh good money

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after bad to correct this uh situation for somebody who has no interest in even trying to come up come to the table

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uh with a counter offer. >> Even when she told me that she would, you know, for the the water on the surface problem that's that everybody can see that the poor guy across the street said, "I'm trying to fix my driveway so it's not flooded

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and I I can't do it. I can't pour because if the darn pump comes on and destroys my concrete." He did. He did pour and he got away with it, it looks like, but he's gonna he's going to pour it again next week. Do the other half of it. But

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>> but uh it it my feeling my feeling is again I hate to move into to win lose or lose lose. I' I'd rather if we could get her

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in and try to talk to her. Maybe maybe she needs to go to financial counseling. Maybe she, you know, maybe there's some I I have no idea that, you know, it's, you know, I can't tell it, but if I if I

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looked at right now, I'm not very happy with my Comcast account, but it's $369 or $63 a month. if I were in trouble that I'd rapidly say, "There's Comcast.

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Let's get rid of that. That's $4,000 a year that I could have, you know, that that in five years I'd have paid back my septic system repair if I had to." So, I I don't know. I don't Maybe that she's already done that. But uh but the point

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the point is that that my feeling is that that it appeared that the board of health and the neighbors are more concerned at fixing it than she is. And

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and again rather than give in and and lose out, you know, go into win lose that having her come in and talk to us and say, "Okay, we want to do this one

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more time to try to find a way as you said that to find the core through this that that maybe there's something that we can help her with. get it done. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't have

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the figures. Um, usually every spring there's a little bit of money floating around for uh a 0% or very very low interest rate uh for this type of repair, which of

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course is going to be and maybe she doesn't care about adding to the value of the house because she's planning on staying there in perpetuity. I don't know that. Um, right now, of course, the house is unsailable.

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Um, and maybe she misspent money on the repairs to the house. That's nothing we can know about or there's no criticism. It just >> No, >> the the the the entire scope of the project,

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I think, initially was supposed to be um repair the inside of the house. um and repair the SAS, which is adding to the degradation of the inside of the house. But >> one got done, one didn't get done.

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Um but if she's already telling the town administrator that uh you can give me the money, but you'll never get a dime back. Um speaks volumes to a rather

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significant problem for everybody. Um, I don't have any idea. Um, if there's, you know, going through legal procedures probably is of little value. Uh, if there's truly no finances. If

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there's a zero% grant, that may be of interest. But again, I have no no idea. in at this point in time maybe >> late spring probably already >> but that's a different that's a

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different story than a person that again I can't say maybe she called up and maybe she did call the guy up with the pipe and he said I can't get here yet who knows but the >> the water's still flowing in the street

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>> and and uh that one That one's not a big cost. >> But >> yeah, >> as that turns out, if you look at what is the outward

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cause of the problem in the neighborhood right now, certainly her flooding the street is the outward thing that inconveniences everybody. Well, maybe >> and of course we we also are as as we

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all know um the the adjacent neighbor was attending the meetings in the past and everybody um was promising everybody else that this would be dealt with in the near future

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and we thought by now would have been dealt with. >> Right. So, that's going to be another uh difficult topic coming at us um sooner rather than later.

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>> Yeah. My my feeling is to get her in and and and find out certainly if going after the cheap one that's the one that everybody sees is say how do you stop the water from being in the street?

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>> Yeah. that one, you know. But and then if she really is destitute, then maybe maybe we go to the to the our state rep. Maybe you go to to

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anybody and say, "Look at we really have a problem here that someone's going to lose their house over this thing. What is it that that's available? Is there something? There has to be something. And but but maybe she needs some help as

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you know for someone who's an advocate to try to get it done. >> Yep. I don't think there's going to be an outand-out grant, Dick. It's going to be a there's going to be some sort of payback scheme. I know there used to be block grants that if you stayed in the

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house for 15 years, the uh the uh lean would go away, but you had to stay in the house 15 years. So maybe we can once we understand but what it is

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that but it certainly I don't sense that there's a hunger to solve the problem from her standpoint. >> I agree. I agree. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's probably the ideology of

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the entire problem or at least a good portion of it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, do we have Colleen ask her to come in and talk to us? >> Yeah. Don't expect Don't expect a solution. And I recommend we put her on

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for 10 or 15 minutes only. Don't let this thing go openended. >> No. >> So, put her in between a couple of other customers so that we uh we get her in and then we say, "I'm sorry, we have to go to somebody else now. If you want to

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continue next time, that would be fine. >> Yeah. >> Go opened. >> Okay. >> Does that make sense? >> All right. Well, >> yeah. And I think as a as an agenda,

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>> what we do is say the two problems are there. We got one that could be solved in a week if someone wanted it to be solved for very little money probably. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But at the minimum, I don't care how

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small your pipe is. If the problem is that you need to pump water through the pipe, you you can get a pump that's big enough that you want to shoot it to the moon, you can shoot it to the moon. >> That's right. >> You know, you can you can pump it.

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Again, again, if there if there's some sort of constriction, just remove take it apart and reconnect in a different configuration >> and figure out what it is. >> Yeah. >> But but someone who's capable of working on it should work on it. But if you if

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you're just not working on it, then it's a problem. >> If they used an if they used an internal one of those those barbed connectors, I could see that's a problem. If they use an over-the-top Fernco, double Fernco, that would be fine. >> In fact, that's what I told her. I used I said, you know, you don't know what

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I'm talking about. And maybe even the the Kevin Nent doesn't understand what firm coats are, but >> the world of plumbing knows fern coats. >> Yep. Yeah. >> And they they don't fill up the inside of the pipe.

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>> That's right. They're not good for heavy heavy pressure, but in this circumstance, there shouldn't be big pressure anyway. >> Oh, >> so again, there's an inch and a half fern co. You can buy one on eBay for about $8 because I've bought a bunch of them.

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>> Yeah. So then the question is that it but you have to want to do it. If you don't want to do it, >> right, >> then it doesn't then there's all sorts of reasons for it not to get done. >> Yep. and she definitely was face to face with

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me mono or mono and said I will do that I will call that person I'll find out what it is and I will get back to you and she that part I have no idea what she called whether she called or not but I do know she didn't get back to me

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>> well and unfortunately as we all remember uh that was the same commitment at the meeting um a year and some change ago. >> Yeah. >> About committed to getting this SAS

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repaired and out of everybody's life. But >> yeah, >> not going to happen. >> Well, that's how we'll do it. We'll see if we can once again try to take the the win-win way and see if we can bring,

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you know, our expertise to help her. And if we don't have enough expertise, we certainly from from the standpoint of pumping water in a pipe, we have the expertise. >> I think we can handle that one, Dick. >> We can get the >> I think we can handle that one.

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>> That's for sure. >> In terms of the finances, >> maybe >> maybe not. Maybe there >> maybe there's a financial incentive uh through uh an accounting perspective to write

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the whole thing off over a period of time. >> I don't know. I don't know what it is, >> but I don't know if you can take it off your t. >> Yeah, there there

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are things I know that that septic system failure that that guides tell me that that there are state grants available to some for some of this.

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So, so if that's if we can find it out what we're dealing with and we'll we'll have to see. But but I guess again it comes out that that if

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you know what she told us that that she doesn't have a problem. She's I think if the record will show that she said that. So if if she really doesn't think he has a problem, there's not a lot of there there can't be a lot that's driving it to get solved if you don't think you

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have one, >> right? Yep. Yeah. That's the unfortunate reality. >> Yeah. So that that trying to trying to understand whether we're working on trying to make her believe she has a

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problem or trying to help her solve it are two really different projects. They're two very different projects. >> Well, hopefully we can spend some time in two weeks and uh start the path to resolution. >> Yeah.

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But if if she actually is part of the plan to get it fixed, then there's a reasonable chance we'll be successful. If it if we can't get her to be on board, then that's where it it's back to

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trying to get someone's attention to get them on board. But but it's but that's that unfortunately those aren't that's not the same approach is to try to help them to get it fixed. It's a different it's trying to get them to want to get it fixed.

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>> Yeah. So, so let's see let's see where we are in a couple weeks >> and and see if we can get this one fixed in a way that instead of the lawyers making money that we actually get stuff put in the ground put the money into the

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ground instead of into a lawyer's bank book. >> Yes, absolutely. So, so we may still we still may make it. We'll stay out of court.

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So, well, hopefully this isn't saying good night for the last time to you guys. >> No, I'm confident. I'll be together in two weeks. >> So, we we'll see. Colleen, I'd say go vote, but but what you could do is talk to your friends in town to say go vote.

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>> Yeah, that's right. It'll be it'll be it actually will be interesting to see what kind of people get come out for the the selectman's race because that's that's what's going

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to end up carrying carrying me. But it it may in fact be that that it's a a two very different kind of group of people that come to vote. It's going to be probably

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the in one case the the old time and if I look at where the the signs end up being, it looks like it's split kind of in the oldtime Graanby people and the progressive Graanby people that are that

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are at least where the signs are going and to to see a first element and and we'll just have to see. So that

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Well, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see if both groups if the if the if it's the bad thing of having our board of health to have it working pretty well and having

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well wells not polluted and backyards not filled with sewage and and people not buying dying from triple E that all that stuff that just says you know life is great we don't need anybody there instead of recognizing gee there's a

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huge amount that's occurring behind the scenes that no one sees. >> Right. That's right. You're right, Dick. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's just when when you have good processes and good people and >> and uh

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>> they certainly they'll see it when you get someone who's >> who's not particularly skilled in in the things that that we know keep people safe that come in as a health agent and

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and and see and it cost you whatever with benefits that it'll be $150,000 for sure. Yeah. >> So, our little budget won't be won't be so little anymore.

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>> And our little group won't be so so effective. >> Okay, everybody. >> Okay. >> Thank you. And and >> Okay. >> In the event that in >> Good luck, Dick. Good luck. >> It'll be fine. >> I think it'll be fine, too. And you're

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going to meet the candidates tomorrow night, correct? >> I am. I'll be there. I'll be there. And hopefully hopefully there'll be people lots of people there to ask questions because we've got a great story to tell.

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>> Indeed, >> and we'll see. But it's one way or the other. It's been terrific working with you guys. >> Likewise. >> Yeah. Likewise. >> Continue. I'm confident it'll continue. >> Oh, yes, it'll continue, I think. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Okay. Have a good night. >> Okay. Good evening. Good evening. All right. Thank you. Good night. Yeah. Bye. Bye. Thank you.