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[music] Okay. >> Okay. >> Right. We're live now. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, >> now our newly elected members not here. Uh, Lee, shall we why don't we wait

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until Miles shows up before we reorganize? Does that make sense? >> It does. Yes. >> Okay. So, notwithstanding that, I think the first thing we can do,

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Colleen, is we can uh review the minutes from May 5th. >> Okay. >> Okay. Lee, did you get a chance to look at the minutes? >> I looked at them. I didn't have any uh concerns or corrections on my side.

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>> Okay. Okay. Same here, Colleen. So, >> we're approving the minutes for May 5th. >> Okay. >> Okay. Second item, um, calling time sheet. Let's take a look at

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your time sheet, Colleen. Here it is. Okay. So, this is a this is a a two-eek time sheet, Colleen. >> Yeah, it's a twoe time sheet. And that has the uh I work the hazardous waste day in South Hadley with with with South

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Hadley. So um yes. >> Okay. So the the total time is 58.75 hours. >> Yes. >> Okay. Lee, are you good with that? >> I am. Thank you. Yes. >> Okay. So that's all set, Colleen. Thank

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you. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh bills payable. What do we have for bills payable? >> Uh, no bills payables, just the uh the money turnover. >> Okay, let's take a look at the money turnover.

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Here it is. >> So, we had um so this is incoming monies. >> Uh yes. Yeah. So, $2,75 in check, $200 in cash >> for a total of 2275.

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>> Lee, are you good with that? >> Yeah. Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay, Colleen, that's all set. Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. Um, so now we got these temporary food permits.

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Now, now these are all for charter days. >> Uh yes, plus uh the rock and roll in one is charter days, but also the wine house, but the others are charter days. Yes. >> Okay.

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>> Temporary. And then some mobile food. >> Yeah. All right. So, I'm looking at So, we got Once Upon a Bakery. Now, are they new or they've been around? >> Uh, they had a temporary food permit for something else. Uh, and they were around

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last year also. So, and she just wants to do one day at Charter Days and it's just baked goods. >> Okay. Oh, before we go, oh, Mile, welcome aboard, sir. Oh, >> you have to unmute, Mile. >> Oops.

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>> Thanks so much, guys. Pleasure to be here. Thanks for all the support and everything. So, >> very good. Very good. Well, welcome aboard again. Um, ju just in passing, you know, Dick did a fabulous job for 52 years. Um,

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>> probably the most dedicated public servant I've ever seen. And I think if you look statewide, there'll be no one that equals Dick's ability and longevity in this position. It's just extraordinary what he did over the years. Uh Lee, you have anything to

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add to that? >> No, only only to re reiterate that I he's probably the longest serving municipal employee. Um, most of those hours are just out of pure dedication to the town.

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>> Exactly. It certainly wasn't for the pay, that's for sure. >> No, most of the time he spent on um preparation and meetings is was just done out of out of courtesy to get the job done correctly. >> Right. Right.

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>> So, yeah. Hats off to Dick. Hats off to Dick. >> Okay. before we do this permit. I think we ought to reorganize the board at this point now that Miles's on board here. >> Okay.

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>> So So Lee, what are you proposing? >> Um my proposal would be to nominate you as a as a co-chair. >> Okay. >> For the next next fiscal year

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>> and I'd like to do the same to you. So, Colleen, we're gonna we're gonna go with a two co-chair format, I believe. >> Okay, >> Mil, are you good with that? Does that make sense to you? >> Yep, sounds good. Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. So, Mil, why don't you make

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the motion? >> All right. I'd like to make a motion to nominate Lawn and Bill Shaheen to be uh co-chairs for the Graanby Board of Health. >> Okay, I'll I'll second that.

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So, all in favor? >> I I >> Okay, very good. Okay, that's signed, sealed, and delivered. Colin, thank you. >> Okay, >> very, very good. Very good. >> Um, again, only reason I'm doing this and

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Lee isn't because I've got the computer set up here and it's it uh you know, we'll we'll swap off time to time, obviously. Okay. So, I have a temporary food license for Once Upon a Bakery, 81 East Street South Hadley, and this will be for Charter Day on the

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13th of June. So, Colleen, has there been any issue with these folks? >> No. And she has a licensed um kitchen uh in South Hadley, so >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> And it's just Yeah, it's baked goods only.

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>> Okay. Okay. Um, any comments on this, Mile? You good with this? >> Looks good on my end. >> Yeah. Do Do you have it on your Do you have these files on your computer? >> Yeah, Colleen and I connected before. I got everything that's on the agenda.

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Thanks so much again, Colleen. >> Oh, yes. You're welcome. >> Uh, Lee, are you okay with this? >> All good on my site. Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. So, Colleen, we've approved uh this particular one once upon a >> group. Okay.

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>> Okay. Now, the next one is Rock and Roll Food Truck for Wine House >> and he's doing Charter Days. >> And Charter Day. Okay. >> And that's a renewal. He was he was here last year. >> Okay. So, no problem. He's from

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Brookfield, Mass. No problem with this person. >> No. >> Okay. Mile, you okay with these guys? >> Yeah, these look good as well. >> Okay, Lee. >> Yep. Yes. >> Okay, I'm good, too, Colleen. So, we're

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good on that one. Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. The next one is um John's Barbecue. I guess there's several of them. Fiesta shows, Dev's Mac and Eats,

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and Uh, Hearts Catering. >> Okay. Hearts Catering. Yeah. Hearts Catering. >> She's got two trucks. And DNL Concessions. >> DNL Concessions. Okay. >> Which those two have both been here

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before? Those last two. Hearts and DNL. >> All right. So, this Fiesta Shows, is that a new one? >> That's new. Dev's Mac and Eats is new. And I believe John's Barbecue is new also, but they had all their documents in order.

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>> All right, so let's review. Let's review Fiesta shows since they're new. Okay, they have four bay sinks in the trailer, so that's fine. They have a freezer and they have a a surf save certificate

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and a good insurance certificate. So, Paul, so they're all they have everything they need. >> Yes. >> Thank you. All right. And then the other new one is uh John's >> uh John's Barbecue. >> Let's take a look at John's barbecue.

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>> That's from Aawam. Okay, now he's doing hamburgers and hot dogs and he's got mayonnaise. He's got a fridge. Save. serve. I don't see any liability insurance

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certificate for him. Colleen, >> uh, yes, you're right. Oh, he's got his >> We normally require that, don't we? Yeah, he's got the workers comp um which

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says he's a sole proprietor and has no employees working for him, but I don't have anything else. I don't think. Yeah, >> he's got the safe serve. He's got the allergen awareness. He's got >> and he's got his base of operation

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agreement. And since he's a sole proprietor, workman's comp is out. >> Yeah. >> He's got the common vigilers. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So, Lee Lee, have we required an insurance certificate for these folks?

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>> Let's see. We've got >> I thought that was standard. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't have one for him. I do have one for this fiesta shows, but I don't have one for him. >> Does Hearts have a insurance? Uh, let's see.

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>> Let me see her stuff. got two things. Um, who's got she's got the uh Oh, just the statement from um per worker about workers comp. No >> workers comp. Okay. So, so some of these

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don't have liability. >> Some of them don't. Yeah, some of them some of them don't. So, so traditionally, have we allowed them to operate without liability? >> Yes. I don't think Yes. They don't always have They haven't always had that, but >> All right, Maya. What do my and Lee,

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what do you guys think about this? >> I mean, you can certainly request it, but I don't want to hold it up, you know. Well, that's >> if we're not It's not for everybody. If if if it's not something that we make

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everyone do, then we certainly can't uh selectively hammer one guy because he That's right. Apply that. >> Okay. Okay. All right. That answers the question. Mile, does that make sense to you? >> Yeah, it makes sense to me. I was trying to look uh through our documentation and

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see if it was a written standard where we require it. I'm not >> Okay. So, I'll just go off. >> So, all the all of the above then, Colleen. Um, we're going to approve uh the pending mile and link. >> Okay. Yeah, it's not really on that

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application either that they have to have it just the workman's comp. So, >> okay, I got you. >> No worries. Okay. So, that takes care of that. Next one is um and again we have Neil at 7:25

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2026 food establishment retail food and milk for breezy acres for Evie Hatch. >> Evelyn Hatch. Yep. >> Evie's good. >> Yeah, there should be no issue there. >> Yeah. >> Are you okay with Evelyn Hatch?

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>> You know where you know where her store is, don't you? >> Yeah, >> it's it's near Cole. Yeah, it's a great it's a great place. Okay, I think we're good with that, Colleen. Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. Now, the next one. Um,

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actually, let's skip the DWCPs. Let's go to the two wells because I think I think we have a couple people here for wells and we can fit those in before Neil comes on. Um, lot two, Bachelor Street, Pushing

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Pushing and Suns. >> Oh, that goes with the uh Mike Petus plan. So >> Oh, that's right. Okay, so that one's out. Okay, so that >> we got a hold. >> Okay, so the next one is lot Six Cold Hill Road, Barry Artisian. I I reviewed the paperwork. They did a very nice job

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putting their paperwork together. Are you guys okay with with that? The lot six well report. Yeah, I agree with you. It is pretty. >> Okay. >> One of them had some a fair a little bit of turbidity. I'm guessing they when they took the

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sample, they didn't they didn't develop the well properly before they took the sample. >> Oh, you think so? High iron. I thought that was kind of >> Yeah, one of them was a little turbid, but again, they had high iron and maganesees. Sodium's a little high, but no bacteria and no nasty compounds, so

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that's a good thing. So, um, we're good with well six lot six. >> Yep. >> Milo. Okay, we're good with that, Colleen. Thank you. >> Okay, next one is

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now I think Tom Tom Soka, are you here? Tom, >> I am. >> Okay, hi. I'm gonna recuse myself on this one. Um, Colleen, because I've done engineering work for Tom. So, Lee, why don't you uh discuss uh this is 107 Cold

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Hill, I believe. Correct. >> Yep. >> You guys discuss that. I'll sit in the background. >> Oh, is that for the approval of the building permit? Is that what >> No, no, this is just this is for the well. >> It It's kind of for both. The well

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approval is the last thing that I need for my building permit. Oh, >> okay. So, so it is for the building permit. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, is there is there something uh in the background um which is problematic on this lot? I'm not

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familiar with um this particular address. >> I'm not exactly sure what you mean by question. So, I'm >> not um I I haven't been on site. >> Don't be

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This is 107 Cold Hill. >> Correct. Yeah. >> So, there's two lots that are being developed right now. There's one on the top of the hill and one a little bit. >> Correct. This is >> correct. >> Okay. So, all right. So, I I apologize.

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I was there. I cited that well. That was way in the back. >> Oh. Um I think you're I think there's more even more houses than you think. So, this is across the street. >> Yeah. This is on this is near Ronda Road in South Avenue. >> Yeah.

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>> Oh, I'm on the wrong side. I've never been there. Yes, sir. >> Okay. Um All right. It had never been on site, so I I'm sorry that I I can't be of any more help. Um,

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>> this well was installed, I think, about eight years ago at this point by two prior owners or two owners prior to me. >> Um, and I had the water. >> So, you have a new well on on this site and now you're going to be building a

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house on the site. Is that what I'm getting? >> Correct. >> Okay. And you have a water quality test, obviously. >> I do. Yes. >> Is recent. Okay. Okay. All right. Um All right. I don't have a copy of that

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water test. Is there anything standing out on that which is >> it's got a high iron and high manganese? Correct. >> Okay. And has the water uh

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company advised that they're going to be treating this on your behalf or are you >> They have not advised that direction. However, I do plan to treat that. >> Okay. Is this something that you're going to

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Well, they're going to either treat the water or simply let it run out for a couple days and take another sample. >> Um, I mean, I suppose I could do that as well. I know when the water was tested when they installed the well about eight

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years ago, the results are almost identical to what I got now. >> Oh, okay. >> I don't expect that. Yeah, it's consistent for sure. So, I'm absolutely expecting to treat the water for those two elements.

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>> Yeah. I mean, I'm sure with the technology that's out there now, I don't know the details, but I'm sure that's a that's a treatable uh condition of the water without too much drama involved. >> Yeah. Tom,

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>> is this going to be >> Sorry, Lee. >> No, no, it's okay. Is this going to be uh is this a house you're developing or is this going to be your your personal residence? >> This is my personal residence. >> Okay. Okay. Just for the sake of

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information. No, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Okay. Um so yeah, I mean as long as the water is there, it's tested out. There's no bad things. There's no E.oli, there's no

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system that is consistent from when they first put it in those that many years ago and we should not be in any real trouble here >> right >> from my perspective. Okay. Okay. All good. All good. Thank

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you for answering my questions. >> Of course. >> Okay. So that's going to be okay to sign off on the portal for >> Is that good? Okay. With you, Mile. Okay. Mile and and Lee. Okay. >> Mil and Lee.

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>> Okay. Okay. Good. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank Thank you, Lee. >> Okay. It's se it's 7:20 now. >> Yep. 7:20. Um I think we could skip. We got five more minutes. Why don't we skip ahead? There's a hoarding situation.

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Colleen, where is that? That is on uh >> 59 Street. >> Yeah. Uh well, Ammeris [clears throat] Road rather. They have that wrong there. Yeah. Uh 599 Ammeris. >> Yep.

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>> Oh, 599 Ammeris Road. >> Yes. >> So that's up. where >> is that is that beyond is that beyond where Bachelor Street or is that beyond where Ammer Street comes in

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>> a 599 I don't >> yeah I gota I'm going to go on mass mapper to see >> might be before that a little bit >> it is okay now what have we done typically in those situations I think it just depends on how >> you know the situation is, how bad the

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situation is. I don't know if >> is this is this a uh a potential um uh fire code type of >> uh this Yeah, this was an email from the fire chief saying that uh

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>> his crew notified him of the situation. They responded. They couldn't get through. So he said he hadn't heard back from anybody and uh he wanted to know what you know should be done. Combustibles blocked the front door.

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Egress path pathways had to be shoveled so people could maneuver around the house. And they weren't sure if the bathroom in the house was working. >> Okay. Good times. >> Yeah.

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So, I I talked to Tom Quinnland about that. I think Tom's going to go take a look at it. And I think if it's real real bad, uh, Colleen, do we bring the state in on this? >> Um, >> we try to keep it local, wouldn't we?

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>> Yeah. I mean, I'm Yeah. I don't know whether um you know um somebody from Northampton would go you know >> yeah let's let's tread fairly let's tread quietly on this does that make

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sense to tread quietly on this situation >> certainly I think we definitely need to gather more data to before we can >> Okay, does that make sense to you? >> Yeah, I mean we'll have the local boards

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uh take note of the situation, do what they can. Uh at some point in time, I'm guessing um they're going [clears throat] to issue a cleanup order with a time frame on it

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and if that fails and we have to run to the next level. So certainly certainly the idea here of course is is safety of resident but also more you know more to the point is the safety of the police and fire if they have to respond to

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something >> right okay because I think I think it's an older lady. Okay well let's monitor the situation like Miles says let's gather some more data before we move forward on this. >> So don't contact Northampton right now. >> Yeah don't I think let's let's not do

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that right now. Hold. Hold. Yeah. Okay. >> Stand by. Okay. It's It's 7:25. We're on time here. >> Neil, we [clears throat] got two things for you. >> Um I'm going to just talk real briefly about your septics, but then you got some DWCPs as well. Correct.

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>> Some what? >> Some disposal works, construction permits. [clears throat] >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, let's talk let's just briefly talk about your designs. Um, obviously given the situation, I just

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started to look at your designs today. I'll promise you I'll have them all done by next meeting. Okay? They'll all be done by next meeting. Again, you may have to do a couple of iterations and we'll work together on that. That'll be fine. So, that's your lot 13.11 School

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Street. Now, where is that property? >> It's right It's right by that pond. We actually just did a repair at 159 School Street. It's on the other side of the pond. >> Okay. Okay. And then you got 294 Ammerst Street.

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>> Yeah. That's a an ANR lot off of 294. >> Yeah. Okay. And then 126 South HP. So is that the Do they want to put in is that the guy that wants to put a a toilet in his garage or something or >> No, no, no. That's No, that's a that's

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Carver Street. No, this one has been be We we went back and forth, back and forth. So, it's a two-bedroom house. He was going to do a he has a detached building. He was going to turn it into an ADU with a onebedroom. >> Oh.

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>> So, he nixed that idea. And so, now he's just doing basically four I think he's doing three three bedrooms. He end up doing he's changed it so many times I don't remember. three bedrooms and then two kitchens. So in case he

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wants to do an ADU in the future, he it'll be designed for such. >> All right. All right. Is he the one with the retaining wall around the system? >> Yeah. So that was the only the only issue that I had to add a retaining wall on one side and and a reserve. So that

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was done. He's kind of anxious to get started, but >> Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll have me. But important thing, you gota I' I'd love those plans to be more readable because when you transmit the PDF, for some reason they get smeared. Um I

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>> talk to my guy. He's going to try see he's going to try a few different things and see if we can rectify that. >> Okay. And also on your retaining wall, make sure your civil engineer uh seals the retaining wall design. >> Yeah, he's he's reviewed both of those, so I'll get you that paperwork.

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>> All right. And then we got lot one Carver 27 Lyman 165 Chabe. Uh and I think that brings you up to date on your new new designs that are coming forth. All right. >> There could be six. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Okay. So now disposal works construction permit for 23 Cedar Drive. Um so that was a uh a failed inspection. 23 seater was No, it's a conditional pass. It needs a new tank and a new debox.

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>> Okay. Lee, were you there for that inspection? >> That's That's uh That's Lucier Lee. >> Oh, that's Jeff Lucier's place. Okay. >> Richards. >> It's Richards. Yeah.

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>> Lee, have you been there last night? >> Yeah, like I don't know 15 months ago or something like that. Long time. Okay. Okay. >> No, no, it was hasn't been that long. >> Let's take a look at it. >> It could be. >> It was right before the last meeting. I

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just didn't get the paperwork in in time for So, it's been maybe three weeks. >> No, I was not there then. >> Well, there's Dick Lucio's old house. Okay. >> Yeah.

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>> I thought Bob met you there. I wasn't there. Nope. Okay, >> that's okay. I mean, I I I I was up there like 15 18 months ago for the last time.

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>> Oh, what was that for? >> Uh uh that was with uh Clean Septics. They were doing some digging around to talk about a title five and a reinstall >> for Lucier.

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>> Yep. really because his Paul dug him themselves. That's kind of strange. Okay, >> Lee. >> Yeah, I don't know >> what happened with that. >> Lee, do you want to hold off on this one

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then? >> Uh, I can meet Bob or on site at some point in time whenever they want to go over it if it's necessary. I mean, what are we are we looking at a uh a new system, Neil, on this thing?

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>> No, a new a new tank and debox. That's it. >> New tank and deox. >> Okay. I can do that anytime you want. >> Okay. >> Is that good, Neil? >> I Yeah, I could meet you tomorrow morning if that works. >> Okay. >> Mile, are you okay with this?

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>> Yeah, that's good. >> Okay. So, we're approving this subject to Lee and uh Neil getting together to go over the project on site. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. That's good. Thank you. >> All right. Next one. 25 Green Metal Lane.

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>> What's What's the situation there? Uh >> that's Mike Rivero's old house. >> Yeah, it's Yep. Yep. That's a uh that's also a tank and debox and we have to do a groundwater evaluation which I'm trying to coordinate with Lee and and somebody to dig it.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. We're not on the tanks yet. Very good. Hopefully I don't lose them because this is a lot of work. >> So So did it fail? Did it fail a title five? It didn't fail the title five. So it just had it just had cottage cheese debox and a bad septic tank.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. Okay. The debox wasn't really that bad, but since you're doing the tank, it doesn't make any sense not to do the debox. So, >> okay. So, so the SAS is okay. >> Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Right. >> We just have to verify groundwater.

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>> All right. >> Mil, you okay with this? >> Uh, yeah. My only question is the even if we're leaving the SAS alone and only addressing the tanks, we still have to require a soil evaluation.

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No, we have to verify the water table if it was if the system was put in before 96 when they changed the regulation to include modeling. So there's no there's no information at the board of health or anywhere verifying the water table. So we just have to verify it.

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>> Yeah. You need your you need your 18inch separation. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Does that answer your question? >> Uh sort of. I'm trying to decipher if that's a title five requirement or um

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something administratively we've done. >> Okay. Okay. Lee, are you okay with this? >> I am. Yeah. Thank you. >> Okay. We can we can follow up on that later now. Thank you. >> Okay. So, we're good with that, Colleen. >> Okay.

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>> 25 green metal. That's why I was like >> right now. Next one. >> He said he hasn't had time to brush him. >> Um I'm I'm sorry. I'm hearing some audio from a a radio or TV in the background. If >> someone could turn their audio down, it'd be fabulous.

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>> Oh, okay. That's good. Thank you. >> Um, seven Lyman Street, Neil. >> Yeah, same thing. We have to do a w a groundwater verification and needs a tank and debox. The tank is good, but it's a thousand gallon.

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>> Okay. So, let me let me just look at the inspection form. >> Yes, that's first. >> So, there was there was a soil evaluation on Bob Sheen Jr. did it on October 10th, 2013. >> He did a soil evaluation.

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>> That's what it says. It doesn't make any sense, but it says the water table's down 11 ft. >> Well, that's the highest part of the lot. I mean, well, no, it's not the highest part of the lot, but it is elevated above the road quite a bit

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compared to some of the other houses. >> So, are you going to go out and reverify the water table? >> No. If that information, if you'll accept that information, then I'll certainly use that and just uh do the tank and debox.

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Well, you just >> do you have access to mass mapper quickly? >> Not at this very moment. >> Okay, let me >> I want to see where seven linemen is. Just give me a second. >> Neil, you just did a water table at uh the Stewart property.

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>> Absolutely. Yep. And that's actually a lower elevation. So, >> that's adjacent to this property. >> Oh, okay. And it and it turned out to be okay. >> Yep. Yeah, it was. Yep. >> Okay. So, Lee, you're good with those

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numbers? >> Yeah, because I I knew that Neil was on uh the Stewart property and Seven Lyman uh and uh this State Street property are >> they're adjacent to each other,

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>> right? >> Okay. All right. Fair enough then. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, Mile, you okay with that? Yeah, just to make sure I'm getting this right, we're not going to require confirmation of the water table because of the adjacent property in this instance.

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>> Yeah, I think there's enough evidence. There's enough technical evidence to substantiate not doing a water table evaluation separately on this. >> Yeah, totally agree with that. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Hey, Colleen, we're good with that one. >> Okay. >> So, seven line done.

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Let's take a look at our time. It's now 35 after. >> Actually, this is working out perfectly. So, Neil, I guess I guess we're done with you for now, sir. >> Okay. All right. >> I'll Yeah. And I'll review the septic designs. I'll work with you on getting

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those tweaked up. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. And I appreciate all your time. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> All right, Neil. >> All right. Thanks. Take care, Miles. Thanks, Lee. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you, Neil. >> Bye. >> Bye. Thank you. >> Okay. We have Kiko Malin of Emergency

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Planning Coalition Discussion at 7:35. Kiko, >> hi everyone. Um, nice. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yes. Nice to meet you. Yes. Loud and clear. >> Nice to see your face. We had a phone conversation. Now I have a face to go with a voice. So, [laughter]

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um, yeah, thanks for allowing me to be here tonight. Um I'm the public health director in Ammerst and for the last six months I've sort of I volunteered to be um helping to co-chair the Hampshire Public Health Preparedness Coalition which is an emergency it's a public

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health emergency preparedness planning group that's been in existence for 20 years or so. I've only been in my role for about three years. Um but the group it's a regional group. I I don't know how familiar everybody on the board is with public health emergency planning and the regions that have been carved

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out in Western Mass or may not know about this. There's money that's allocated to our portion of the of the state to do emergency planning exercises. Does that sound >> personally I'm I'm not terribly up to speed on it. So, if you want to brief us on on the protocol, it would be

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fabulous. >> I can try. I mean I I want to be mindful of time because I think I only have a few minutes but I'll just try to give you the high level summary which is that um at the federal level there's money set aside um for emergency planning and that then comes to the state the office

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of preparedness and emergency planning I think or it's called with as part of state department of public health and I'm new to all this I've just been learning it in the last six months or so but um there is a chunk of money that's set aside for each of the regions in western mass there are four of them and

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the part that I'm involved with is the Hampshire County region. So about $125,000 a year is set aside to do emergency specifically public health emergency planning work in our region and this coalition of people of representatives from the communities in Hampshire County

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has been meeting for some time and Graanby is one of the counties in the region that is part of this effort. Um, [snorts] and I think for some time there hasn't been great representation from many of the communities on the coalition. East Hampton, Ammerst, Northampton, they tend

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to to go, but folks from the hilltowns or smaller towns don't tend to have the time and bandwidth as you explained to me, Bill, to attend these meetings. Um, which >> way to put it bandwidth [laughter] >> completely understandable and at the same time, as we found out during COVID,

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you know, pandemics affect all of us. And so being able to come together and figure out how we're managing things is important. I think during COVID, Northampton really played a lead role in helping to kind of get vaccines to folks. Um but and this is just a way to continue to build an infrastructure and

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a fabric for emergency preparedness. So we've had some exercises this last two months. We got people together to talk about what would it look like if there were an ice storm in the region and how could we work across towns to kind of prepare and manage that. And so I just really wanted to make sure you all know

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that this coalition exists. Graanby is welcome. You know, you're part of the region. We'd love to have you at the meetings. We know that you probably don't have that capacity. And and how can I as the co-chair now keep you looped in, answer any questions, you know, help this to be available to you

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as a board of health? >> Okay. Are are your meetings online or in person? >> They're online and they are Yeah, they're online. They're the second Tuesday of the month from 11:30 to 1:00. Okay. Well, maybe we can find a willing board member. I'm looking at Mile to

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participate in this. Oh, that's wonderful. >> The new the new guy, right? >> Yeah. [laughter] Well, he's got to get his feet wet somehow. That's great. Oh, that's fabulous. Now, as a as a benchmark, I'm I'm gathering as a case study, you're using the infamous

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Halloween ice storm snowstorm back in 2011. So have you come up with a game plan how to better execute things than we did at that juncture? [laughter] >> Well, I think um that that scenario was chosen not ex not specifically in

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relation to that storm, but of course we couldn't all help but think about it. And um the the exercise was only about two hours long. It brought together people from 18 communities. There were public health folks, board of health folks, and also emergency management people, police and fire in the room. So

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it was a very preliminary discussion that sort of raised more questions about what are the gaps versus having answers about how we do this better. Um but I what's coming out of this is an afteraction report that will be a summary of what was sort of um what arose as gaps and then we go from there

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to do more planning in this next fiscal year as the coalition continues to meet. >> Okay. Well well I hope I hope we have the energy uh to participate. I'd love love love to have someone help participate in that group and work with you folks. That's fabulous. Um Mile Lee,

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you have any comments for Kiko? >> No, Kiko, let's connect uh via email and then I can um touch base with you and we can >> Well, that'd be wonderful, Mile. Thank you. >> Yeah, that that would be great. And I'm happy to kind of give you more background. We can have a conversation about more stuff and then you can see

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what you're able to do. Some people can't join for the whole meeting. You know, some people have full-time jobs and they can't take a lunch break or, you know, there are lots of reasons why people can't come. Sometimes people dip in and out, but as much participation as you're able to manage is is welcome. So, I'm happy to connect with you. That would be great.

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>> We'll try and get Gran be on the map there for you. >> Awesome. >> Wonderful. Thank you. >> Thank you for the information. >> Thanks so much for your time. Really appreciate it. Um uh Colleen, um are you going to coordinate with Kiko as well on

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this project? >> Sure. Sure. >> Yeah. So you and Kiko and and Mile can work together. >> Again, I think that's I think it's a worthwhile endeavor because again, everybody frets about losing power. That's the worst thing, particularly for an older person. You don't want to have a power outage and not have anywhere to

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go. At least if you come up with a game plan where you can if it's 20 below zero and you have a nice warm place to hang out during the ice storm, that's that that's uh comforting to a lot of people. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. Those were exactly the things that we talked about

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is what what could be put in place ahead of time so we know when there's an ice storm, here's what happens. Here are the warm places that that seniors can go or folks that don't have a generator, what are the options for them if there's an extended power outage. So you you you got it. That's exactly what we're talking about.

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>> That's wonderful. Okay. Well, K, we'll I'll be in contact with you, Mila and Colleen in particular, and thanks for coming in tonight. >> Great. Thanks so much for inviting me. Have a good rest of your evening. You too. >> Okay. It's 7:42,

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folks. Um Lee, shall we take uh shall we take um Red Fire a couple of minutes early? >> Yeah, they're in. Uh absolutely. >> Yeah. architect Brayman is here and Sarah, good to see you as well.

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>> So, what do you have for us tonight? >> Hello. >> Okay, so um so I think uh Dick put us on the agenda and I I'm not sure exactly how he phrased what we were going to talk about. So, uh [laughter]

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because it could be a number of different things, but um let us know if you need any orientation. Here was my understanding of what was going to transpire and I think things may have changed. >> My understanding is Dick went out with you folks last week

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>> and I think there was an issue getting a 3000galon septic tank in short order. >> Yes. >> So I think Dick said, "Well, why don't we put two 1500s in series?" >> It's the same situation. And um I think there was an issue with the building department having to put a couple of uh

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commodes in the in the in the market space. >> And I guess and I understand that you've abandoned that plan for now. >> Uh well, let's see. It's going to be a couple a couple extra steps thrown in. So, we we're trying uh I think we're

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hoping by midsummer that we can get in uh a service sink and a one restroom that would let us move forward. Uh but uh our we're hoping and and that would

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be we're hoping hooked up to this, you know, total total of 3,000 gallons of tank which >> we're allowed to use on a short shortish term basis to put the effluent. Um, I think actually it'd probably be a

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2001,000 because we're we're required to have five tanks for this project and there are there is a two 2001,000 that would be purchased in any event. So, if we can use those, that would work for us. Um but uh so aside from that,

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however, a strawberry season is looming upon us and we're hoping that there's some way to open in some capacity to meet that using um a port accessible

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portagon and a handwash system. So, um I guess that that's probably slightly separate from what Dick was putting on the agenda, but um we'd like to see what you >> because your your original use group,

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your you were merkantile market, is that what your use group and occupancy was originally? >> It is originally. So uh what happened was that we so we applied for our initial permit in uh February

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2025. So we did it in a two-stage. We initially applied as a U to as an agricultural structure to get >> the structure going because the approvals were going to take a while. So then we shifted and submitted a set of

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drawings. Oh, almost a year uh eight months later, nine months later as a merkantile uh >> with a with a restaurant kind of for for Yeah. Yeah. Like Yeah.

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>> use the word restaurant. Yeah. It's just food would be served but it's not a restaurant. Yeah. Just so our whole septic system is designed for that, etc. That's right. That's right. And it's fairly large. So um but actually my most recent reading of the code is that that

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portion of the occupancy is small enough that actually we could probably request and we are going to request that we stay under you with uh the merkantile as a because it's an occupancy of under 50 it

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can actually stay under you and still be merc kind of subset I guess. Of course, we still have to meet the merkantile code once we get everything. >> Well, let's see. Yeah, there's a couple of issues. Um, >> in my opinion, you have a large um

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canopied porch. You have a wraparound porch on the building with a concrete slab. >> Yes. About >> you can actually conduct commerce outside of the building underneath the canopy. Is that true? >> It it would be possible. Probably not.

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Sarah, maybe you can speak to this. Probably not ideal, but yes, possible. >> Okay. Okay. Lee and Mile, I'll open it up to you guys. What do you guys think about this? >> I would be uh I would be

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>> very concerned. I'd be concerned about opening up the building um as is uh having a quote unquote roadside stand under the canopy. AOK. Okay.

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uh opening up the building when it's not ready to roll. Um not okay. >> So if we kept outside the building entirely as a kind of quasi farm stand

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>> building would be locked at all times >> and uh they could operate outside under that canopy and you can do that as long as you want. But having people in the building um as it is in this con in its

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current state, I'm not on forward with that. >> Okay. I appreciate those comments. Mile, what's your take on this? >> Yeah, I'm still in the ga the data gathering phase to have a informed opinion about this, but preliminarily

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definitely want to get everything aligned with the septic system and uh to be able to get things going on the inside. But it sounds like a really awesome project and >> yeah. No, it's a beautiful building. It's a beautiful building. So Ray and Sarah, I think what we're saying then is

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you'll be allowed to conduct commerce in the outside porch area under the canopy where your slab is, but in no circumstances will either employees or patrons be allowed to enter

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the building during business hours. Are you are you okay with that? I know it's not ideal, but I think that's one way at least you can start your strawberry operation. >> Um, I think what what we what we're thinking is that it won't make sense to

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try to do like we would need to move all the buildings and stuff from our other location to that spot in the in to be able to do that store outside. and while simultaneously also still trying

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to do the septic work that's sort of in that same area where the porch is. Um like we [clears throat] could have customers enter from the side door if we were not trying to do sales outside to be able to use the in internal part of the store building. But I think that

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having it out there while the septic is going might not be the easiest thing to do or like best customer experience. >> But well, I realize that, but again, since we're being thrown a curveball at the last minute, um, you kind of put us

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in a spot as a board and I think >> would it be something is a reasonable compromise. Would you be open to I think we were kind of checking in with Tom Quinnland. He was thinking that it could be a change of use to the utility

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building for a period of time um while we're finishing the work on, you know, getting the the the septic tanks installed. And um >> but but the septic tank and all the waste water is on the east side of the

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building and your vending would be on the west side of the building >> and the north side of the building. >> Actually, a small correction, the septic tanks would all be on the northwest side of the building. So it would be directly adjacent to the porch. However,

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>> um you know, it's possible that if we can move quickly, we can get those tanks in before strawberry opening day. So, >> yeah. >> Well, is is there a reason that it can't be done,

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>> you know, tomorrow morning at 7:30? I don't I don't get it. >> That what can't be done? The >> that the tanks aren't going to be in place. Well, one reason, one of the issues that we've had is that both of the septic

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companies that we had quoting were getting stuck on the 30,000 gallon tank part of the plan because they don't have those in stock and they don't have they'd have to have them cast and then cured. And that >> I couldn't even finish getting a quote

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from Fooers because they haven't been able to get the information from the people who make the tanks. Did you call Underground Supply up in Wheatley? I think they are. Did you call them? >> Are they a septic? >> Yeah. Yeah, they they have a they have a state-of-the-art

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>> cast in place uh operation computer control. It's a wonderful operation and they're local right up in >> We >> But that is what we were hearing from a number of people. So when actually Dick was the one who came up with the the

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smaller tank >> Yeah. combined solution. That was like just last week. So, so we could and >> uh Yeah, I mean it's >> tricky this time of year to get pricing for anything, but it's um >> I know. I know. >> Yeah. And you know,

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yeah. So, so there are various complexities. >> So, I'm guess I'm guessing what you could do is you could operate under the under the canopy for a period of time. Once you get your tanks in or some of the components in sufficient to act as a holding tank and you get the toilets in per

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>> the building department then we we you could start conducting commerce inside of the building. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> 50 or >> le? >> Yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to be an

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unreasonable uh um there are multiple ways to solve the problem and open it up full boore. Um my concern is

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that if we don't get at it, um it's going to be uh an endless summer of casing each other to to complete this task. And I just want to take and I'm not trying to stop anyone from

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making a living. I get it. But I this has been going on for a long long long time. And I can't understand um the lack of um and I don't want to sound like a jerk,

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but I don't understand the lack of commitment to get this project moving quicker since we've been talking about this thing for I can't remember when. It's been a spell [clears throat] for sure. It's been it's been a minute. Well, I mean,

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>> well, I guess one as one aspect is just sort of getting the financing together and basically the septic system is almost double what even a bank thinks is a sufficient septic system for business like this. So, it's been a long negotiation to sort of reconcile what

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you know what everyone else think the world is and what septic installers are now [clears throat] pricing things out. So yeah, there there are various sort of financial considerations that had to be gotten into place. Um >> like you say, the construction market

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has gone way out of sight in the last year. >> Yeah, that's what happened. Seriously, >> from a financing point of view, it's really challenging. So, >> so they've done all the work to kind of get that into place, but it is way later than all of us would would like. So, uh,

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but so we really appreciate you having come up with some interim solutions like the holding tank. Yeah. >> Okay. So, so I think what the board's saying then, Colleen, is that we'll allow them to operate under canopy with

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no with no commerce or individuals in the no occupancy in the building during business hours. All commerce will be outside. However, at which point they bring in a tank per Dick's uh discussion last week and the toilets per the

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building department, then they could start conducting commerce inside of the building. Uh again, they at that point they'd have to pump the holding tank out or holding tanks out until the leech field is finished. So, is there any timeline, Sarah, as to when you believe

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the septic tanks and leech field will be totally completed? Once we have the finalized quotes, that will help us inform the financing for the for the septic. So, that's what we're waiting on at the moment. >> Okay. All right. Thank you.

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>> We've had to collect like two to three to four quotes just because the numbers are so >> I know it's like you say, >> but but I think we >> I think we we'll try to really establish a schedule that you guys can all review and >> Okay.

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We want to work with you on this. >> And um you know, and I always tell my clients, the best time to get quotes is when there's three feet of snow on the ground. Once the snow melts, watch out. Forget about it. >> Well, not this year. Numbers [laughter]

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are high all every [snorts] minute of the year. But you know, everyone's got everyone's got to stay in business. >> I know. I know. >> On on a different note, so I I guess we're clear with that. Um, Mile and Lee, you guys are good with that approach for now?

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>> Yeah, for now. I think Sarah brought up I I don't know if we're going to be able to address the the use keeping it under you as a utility building and being able to conduct >> Yeah, that's a building inspector Quinland question, >> right? I think that we would need to

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touch base with him to be able to >> Yeah, we we are in conversation with him. So, so >> so I I just want you to know that you were heard and that we are >> Thank you. really appreciate it. >> Again, it's going to be it's going to be a great facility. So, Lee, are you okay?

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>> Yeah. I mean, my only last comment, which is not my not my calling, uh, but don't I mean, I'm not telling you what to do. Um, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to get a quote from a supplier

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in um, Lemonster, you know what I mean? Um, they're going to you're going to have to get whacked on time and travel. So, and I'm not I have nothing to do with Underground Supply, but I know that they custom anything you want. They're

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close. They're very professional. Uh, there may be others I'm not even aware of in the area. >> Wow. >> Um, but again, some people in the past have gone to uh different sites in

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You have Arrow down in Connecticut. You used to have Chase. They're not in business anymore. >> A lot of these people come and go. >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean, I think now that we're going with a more standard size, I think our choices really open up. So, we're not as worried about that part of it in

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terms of trying to >> Yeah. And of course, you know, diesel fuel is five and some change a gallon. That's all got to be figured in, too. But, you know, I I I'm very confident that what you're after is uh readily

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available uh relatively soon. As soon as you want to go, they're going to be ready for you. >> Okay. >> All right. >> I appreciate your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Sarah, if you could just hang with us

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for a minute. Um I want to just segue over to this com. We had a complaint on Taylor Street. Colleen, the banana. Why don't you Can you read the complaint letter, Colleen, please? On the banana composting. While Sarah's here, we may as well

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resolve this while we're here. >> Yes. got a complaint that went to animal control, the board of health, and the building inspector um as a concerned resident regarding the commercial composting operation by Banana Compost

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on the Red Fire Farm across from 286 Taylor Street. Um, so their family is now, just to make it a little shorter, this is really long. Uh, have never experienced any issues with rodents or other nuisance wildlife in our

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neighborhood. However, within the past year since the compost operation began. Now, they have a significant increase rat, turkey vultures, crows, scavenging animals, and unpleasant odors in the area. Um, so the they're very concerned

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about the rat activity. They've seen rats crossing the road onto their property, have noticed dead rats in the street. Um, so and they're concerned about potential contamination of local

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wellwater. Um, so this appears to be a commercial composting operation being conducted on private farm property. um and says that this uh banana compost website says they accept food waste from

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locations throughout Western Mass. Um so and it could be a potential zoning violation. That would be you know for for Tom Quinnland but um so um several neighbors I guess have you know talked about their concerns.

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So that's yeah basically what they were talking >> okay now I went back in my logs in February of 2025 which we had a very mild winter I went out there I think three times to 288

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288 uh Taylor >> and fact one day I was out there Sarah is the person doing the banana composting the same person that was doing the general composting during the spring of 2025 or is this a

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different person? Um I am not the most familiar with the timing of when those things were happening because I've not been the point person for for working with that but I can find out more information for sure and get back

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>> okay because when I went out in February we had a discussion amongst myself 288 Taylor and the compost person and everything was amendable. there was an issue with coverage coverage of the piles and and some birds and so on and

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so forth. At that time we left the meeting the third time that everyone would kind of work together to keep things in order and apparently that has kind of gone by the wayside. Um now do we have anyone here on this particular complaint?

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>> Mr. Petus, are you here for this or no? Is this a >> No, I'm for the uh I'm for the East State Street. >> Oh, okay. Okay, Jim. Okay. Thank you. >> So, so um Sarah, here's what my thought is. And Mile, you're getting your feet

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wet tonight. Mile, can you and Sarah do a site visit on beh be behalf of the board of health? Take some notes. you want to take some photos and see if we can come up with a game plan to try to eradicate this nuisance.

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First of all, see if it exists and if it does exist, see if we can remediate it somehow. Lee, does that make sense to have my go out there and do that? >> Yeah, that'd be great. I mean, I drove by by mistake

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a couple days ago and it was um there was no cover at all. There was just simply bags that were half torn open and some was a little bit covered with dirt. A lot of it was exposed.

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Uh but certainly it didn't appear to be um and again I'm not a farmer. It didn't appear to be under under a managed uh operational uh plan of any type. It looked very very

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it it looked like a you know a ninth grader did this. >> There's a couple different types of things happening I think. So we could check into what they what is it that they're doing. >> Yeah. Yeah. So so my >> you chair >> Mr. Chair.

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>> Yes sir. >> This is Jim Trunky at 290. >> Yes Mr. Trumpy. How are you sir? >> I'm very well thank you. We're talking about two different locations. There's composting for um leaf

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composting um on one end of Taylor Street, which we're we're talking probably several hundred feet down the [snorts] street as opposed to the to the other composting

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that's going on across from the the um the complaint on 288. I'm at 290. >> Mhm. Mhm. the 288 they're bringing in composting from

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offsite. It's it's not red fire farm composting. Um it's composting household composting that's being collected from uh who knows where. My understanding last spring the the fellow that ran the composting operation

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last >> February actually produced a state he had a state license for composting and he said he was getting his compost material from one of the regional school districts. I think it was Belchuretown

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Elementary and and high school and he was talking about the nitrogen carbon ratio and all the a lot of technical um issues. But at that time my read of his permit was he was in compliance with the

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permit. So it wasn't the fact that he was bringing in food waste. It was the fact that he was creating a nuisance for some of the neighbors. And that's why we uh met with 288 uh 288 Taylor.

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>> Yeah. >> So So Jim, it sounds like you have two issues. One is what they're bringing in and secondly the the uh alleged nuisance. Is that correct? >> Well, [snorts] again, there's two different areas of composting. One is where they're they're

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bringing in um leaves during the fall, that that type of thing. which there hasn't there hasn't been any issues with that. It's the one further up across from 288. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the banana I think that's the banana composting

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facility. >> That's that's correct. >> Yeah. >> Seeing the rodents. >> Yeah. Yeah. Mil and Sarah are going to work work up a solution on that for you. Jim, >> are there Can I have a question? Uh

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>> are there any um specific things that are regulations that are applying to the situation that we should be aware of or like do we have something >> I think it's just your general state compost license the one like the one

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that I saw last February about year ago February >> I don't we don't have any colony we don't have any local regulations for composting do we No, no, we don't. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. I mean, I guess I guess my concern is that this is more of a of a um and I'm I'm I'm could be completely wrong, but it looks like this is just a u

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an operation uh to fix land in town and um under a farm license bring in some type of a commercial operation.

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Uh, and I may be incorrect about that statement, but it doesn't appear to be um managed properly. It's it's not covered. Um, it's at the expense of the

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neighborhood. Um, all these things are very uh disturbing me and I'm sure more disturbing to the people living in the area. I would definitely want to add Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. U I wanted to add

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that I think Banana Compost is looking at additional location options too right now to see where if they could move part of their >> Okay. >> they're doing to a different spot. So they are >> You mean out of town or

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>> are they taking off? No, a different piece of a different piece of land that is like much further away from the road and housing. >> Okay. Okay. >> More remote is >> that would make everybody happy.

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>> Yeah. So, they're working on that, but it's a process. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, so that being said, um, as we progress with this conversation and inspection, which is going to be forthcoming,

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uh, I'd be very interested in a proposed time frame, uh, in in two phases. The first time frame is to eradicate the ongoing problem which we are now dealt dealing with. And

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the second is to uh get a time frame as to when this remote location will in fact uh be up and going and what we have now cleaned up and gone. to give the neighbors

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back their peace of peace and quiet which they so you know they which they definitely deserve to get. The [snorts] concept of having red fire be a bad neighbor is not is not going

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well. Yeah, we well we definitely want to help resolve as much as we can though like I I do want to to note that like there are aspects of agriculture that are you know not favorite for neighbors but still an important part of being

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able to have a healthy soil and grow food and that. So, I just wanted to put that out there like yes, we do want to do our best to resolve the issues, but there are >> things about farming that are not always the prettiest. And >> yeah, there's one again, Gran is a right to farm community and uh that's part of

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what we get with with that luxury. Um but again, these are problems that I believe we can we can all work out in a fashion. But and >> yeah, so so Mr. chair. But the reason why I've called in um basically is

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because and I'm only speaking on my behalf and my neighbor's behalf because um he went out of town today. >> Mhm. >> But it's the concern is is mostly about the rodents. We we understand that they've been farming there for we've been living across the street from there

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for years. It's just the rodents crossing the street and and uh that's the that's the biggest issue. Like like you say, Jim, the the birds are one thing, but the the rodents are another thing. And again, the road

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rodents bring in disease. >> Mil, you're a PA. You know, rodents bring in disease, correct? >> Yeah. Seriously. >> Yeah. So, I think you're the you're the guy to do the this inspection for. >> Yeah. We'll take a look, figure out what's going on and come up with a plan

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for maybe. >> Okay. Lee, anything else, sir? >> No, as long as uh we have a good inspection coming forward and we work together and grab some time frames and

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uh really explore that uh remote location. There's no reason that uh everyone can't work together, get this thing done. I I don't know all the farming regulations. I'm sure they're generous towards the

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farming because that's a hard job. Um, but we need to uh work with the neighborhood um on this one for sure. Both both sides have issues that need to be addressed and I'm sure they can be

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worked out. >> That's good. But I just don't want >> I don't want this to go on for the next uh you know eight months of of um oh we're going to get to it. Oh, it's been busy and blah blah blah blah.

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You know, everybody wants closure on this topic on both sides of the fence. >> Well, Jim, are you okay with that? Our approach? >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm I'm 100% behind farming and so and so is the my

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neighbor that that had concerns. We're just it's just the rodent piece that's got us a little bother. But other than that, >> yeah, >> other than that, we're very tolerant of everything else that's going on over there and we support them. >> Excellent. Thank you. Sarah, are you you okay?

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>> Yes. Yep. >> Okay. So, Mile, you and Sarah will get together, do the inspection. Okay. Thank you so much, Colleen. Thank you. >> Thank you, folks. Okay, next one. We have the Pet Petuses here. Mrs. Mr. How are you guys doing? >> We're good.

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>> We're good. How about you? >> Oh, not too bad. We're We're >> hanging in there. It's a big change, but uh doing the best we can. >> So, what can we help you with tonight? >> Okay. Well, you received our complaint. >> Yes.

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>> And um I guess we'd just like somebody to come over and take a look at this. I do I understand this is a right to farm community, but I don't even consider this a farm. I'm sorry. >> It's less than a third acre of land with a bunch of animals on it.

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>> Yeah. >> You know, >> is are they do the people take care of the animals? >> Well, we don't know that. I think that's something that you and to look at. It's it's not our judgment call to make because I think you need to inspect it.

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>> It was inspected. It was inspected by Kim. Um, so the animal inspector and Okay. >> Uh, she was on I thought earlier. Kim, are you still on? I don't see her. Um, >> when did she inspected it? Recently, Colleen.

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>> Yes, after your complaint. Um, >> she [snorts] went over uh she sent this right after your complaint, I think. Um, yeah, two days after. So, so she went over and um she, you know, took a look

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around um and okay, the uh people that you were talking about. Okay. So, they kind of stated they were feeling kind of harassed and whatnot. Um but, uh all of

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the animals had food, water, and shelter. Um they have uh she went through uh that they have a small chicken coupe with four silky chickens. They have another small house and 10 with eight ducks. They have a shed with

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16 adult chickens. Four babies and two baby turkeys. They have two pigs um that were purchased in December. Um, and they live with uh, let's see, another small goat in a mediumsiz

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shed. Uh, so yes, they have quite a few animals it looks like. Um, and you know that she talked about what they feed the pigs and whatnot. Um, so basically though she said they all and

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this is what she looks for and this is what she's supposed to look for is that the animals are taken care of and they have housing and they have food um and whatnot. So that's what she looked at and

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basically she said she did not have any concerns at this time. Um with how these animals were being taken care of um that's what Kim was that's what Kim responded to.

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>> Well, I guess I'm I'm not really concerned about how the animals are being taken care of either. She's obviously an animal lover and whether she's raising these pigs for food. I have no idea >> or if they're all just pets, you know. I I have no idea. But I can't open my

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windows >> in the summertime. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's I'm concerned about the flies. I'm concerned about the smell. >> Yeah. Yep. >> And that's And we >> I mean, their chicken their chicken coupe is 50 feet from my living room window. >> Oh, that's pretty close. you know, the

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goat pen is closer than that. >> That, you know, I mean, I understand the right to farm, but what about the the 99% of us in this in this community who don't own livestock? What protects us? >> No, I hear you. I hear you, Michelle. >> That's the biggest issue. When we first

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complained a couple years ago, chickens are fine. A lot of people have chickens, but now it's expanded to the point that again, I think the issue is the size of the lot. You take a look. It's a 36 36 acre lot. Take the front frontage away.

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Take the house. Take the garage. Look at the backyard. You're talking I don't even what to guess. An eighth of an acre, a ninth of an acre. All these animals are on it. And I would like I know I trust Kim, but I would love if any of you came by to take a look and

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see what >> I'll I'll come by. Jim, I'll I'll come by. Colleen, could you schedule me to go over to the Petricuses at some point this coming week? >> Yep. >> Okay, I'll do that, folks. Okay, >> we appreciate that. And we thank you for sending Kim over there to start with.

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>> Okay. Okay, we'll get things started. Thank you. Nice to see you. >> Yep. Thanks a lot. >> Okay. Welcome. Thanks. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. So, that one. Um, so Lee, I guess what we have left are we

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have some title five inspections and we have approval for a building permit application or is that not >> We did that. Um, oh, there was a COC for 159 School Street on that list. That was the last thing on the list to be signed.

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>> Oh, okay. Oh, I see. 159. >> Take a look at it. Lee, did you did you witness this going in? >> Um, I'm looking this thing up as we as

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we speak. >> Oh, yeah. That was a a new system Everson installed. >> Yeah. >> Uh, good to go. Absolutely. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Neil Neil designed it and Greg. Okay. Mil, you good with that? >> Yeah, I looked at the ass bill. Looks good.

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>> Okay, so we're good with that one. Colleen, thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. So, let's do our um inspection report. Let's do the easy ones first. Lee 54 uh Taylor Dave Kibby, you were out there. Everything good there?

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>> Yeah, it was a system relatively new, four or five years. Uh uncovered tank debox, good condition, uh no signs of staining, no issue. Okay, the second one also Dave Kippy 233

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bachelor. >> Um, oh yeah, okay. Same thing. Um, the only minor concern and I don't know what's the system was installed. There appears to be some horse activity even though it's

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a family to a family uh buying it. So maybe I shouldn't say anything. Um there appears to be some horse activity over the uh over the leech. >> Oh, >> area, but it's it's the mother is selling it to the daughter and it's the

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daughter's horses. And I mentioned that she's >> happy with what she's got. And it could be scheduled 40. I don't have any idea. >> Yeah. Is it an aggregate system or an infiltrator system? >> Aggregate. >> Oh, so that's that's better. Yeah. If

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it's infiltrator, the horse's poop would punch right through it. Okay. >> Yep. >> Okay. Mile, we you good with those, sir? >> Yep. >> Okay. Now, first one, 16 Parish Hill on Terrretti. Now, what what's the

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situation there? Let's take a look at that one. >> Um that property, um it's an older system. Um it was

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recently uncovered. It was about six or eight feet of brush over the entire area. Uh they cleared it. Uh it needs to have a at least the tank replaced.

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Um and there also is a concern of the water table has not been established. >> Okay. Because right on page, this is right on the title five form of mile. It says, "You must describe how you established a high groundwater elevation." And this person put down to

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be verified at septic tank replacement and soil evaluation. I think that's a unacceptable answer. >> We agree. >> Okay. So, Colleen, we're not going to accept that one correctly. >> Correct.

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>> Okay. So once once >> once he goes out there and he calls you to witness the water table then they can revisit this. All right. So we're not accepting 16 Parish Hill. And now 52 Kendall uh with Al Weiss. Did

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you go out there with Ali? >> I did. Yep. Uh the issue uh the issue with this system is that uh somebody put in a Morton building uh

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tech garage adjacent to the SAS. >> Yeah. >> And you can't you can't get in the garage with a vehicle without driving over part or all of the distribution box and some

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of the leech lines. So, I don't know. And Allan did share some concerns um about that setup upon the inspection. >> Yeah. Let me >> It's not collapsed at this point in time,

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>> but it gives the impress they they laid some gravel out, you know, some um um cinders >> on the driveway. So, it looks like we've got a separate road in, but that was all done after the SAS was installed. So, this is an

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afterthought. Um, >> it says Al says this is a this is a 50-y old system. >> I didn't think it was. >> And let's see. Liquid standing in sludge over outlet pipes. Yeah.

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distribution box was level and in poor condition, corroded with evidence of flooding. So, according to Al's report, the debox was full. >> Oh, you know what? You know what? My apologies. Um, my apologies. I'm at the wrong location.

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>> Okay. Okay. This person's last name is >> here, this one here is in uh in complete failure. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So 52 Kendall Mile, you okay with the determination that Al made? >> Okay, Colleen. So we're good. We'll

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accept 52 Kendall as a fail. >> Okay. >> Okay. The next one I think we already >> talked about. >> We just talked about >> Oh, yeah. So that that's a non-issue. Yeah. So the seven linemen is a conditional pass and we resolved that

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with Neil. So that's that's that. So now approving for building department apps. We talked about that. >> We talked about that. Um the the uh we reorganized but the the pigory permits um that was a thing that Kim um I think

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I sent you guys the the emails from Kim. But um we have the regulation and that's kind of came up too and that was you know um the Petus Petus says they only have they have the two pigs next door.

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Um but other places that Kim has gone to um and inspected and whatnot have more and we have our uh regulations for three or more pigs need a um pigory permit. Oh,

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>> but Kim, you know, has questions on and that's why I was hoping she was still on because um she does have questions on who needs these um permits because she knows of

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several people that have like five pigs and >> Oh, you're right. It says it's it's item A. A pigory permit shall be defined as an operation where three or more pigs or swine are kept. Oh, okay. >> Yeah. So, um >> you know, she just wants some

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clarification on um whether um you know, if they if someone is breeding, do they need the baby pigs in the count of the final numbers? if they are selling them

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um if they are only having them for like five months and then they're slaughtering them to eat or whatever. Do they do they still need a a pigory permit? because a pigory permit involves >> a public hearing.

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>> Um, which we have to contact the butters and you know talk about that because obviously with you know the smell and whatnot um of the pigs and everything. So, uh, and then

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usually in the past before CO and when I was here on the board or with the board before, >> um, we used to do them like we would do them in November and then it would cover them like when they had a whole farm, you know, cover them for the whole next

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year. But if they get their pigs earlier in the year and then they're slaughtered by October, you know, Kim wanted to know that they still get a a permit. Um, so this is something that I guess, you know, she's

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looking for some clarification so she can tell these people that they need the permit now or do they, you know, [clears throat] and then get it again for next year, you know. So

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>> Lee, what do you think, sir? >> Um, my first thought is that if they're running 6, 8, 20 pigs for the summer, um, then by definition, they need a

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permit once it exceeds three. Uh, and just because it's the barn is empty for the winter, um, I don't think the definition goes by the length of time >> rather than the number of animals.

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That's my thought. >> Um, because people um, who do this type of activity um, it's a spring, summer, fall only operation. uh by

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October um that type of activity is done and the animal is either sold or it's in somebody's freezer and the barn or the shed is empty until the following April

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and then you start it again. That's just how it is. So my sense is that if you cross the number of three regardless of the age of the animal uh permit should be in place. That's that's how I read it.

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>> But I you know I'm not I'm not an expert in this but that's my sense of how this goes. >> Mil what do you think? [clears throat] >> I mean if they got more than two pigs it's by definition a pigine. So they

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need to have it, you know, why why why is it three or more and and not two or more is the question that occurs in my mind about these sorts of things. Um because if you have two and you have a male and a female, it can become a breeding.

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>> That's right. >> So So you know I [clears throat] always kind of go there. It's like why why did we arrive at three? Um, but I agree with Lee that if it's identified that there's more than two pigs from looking it up, I

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think it was a state thing, too. It did say three. I you know, I was kind of looking into that too. But, um, so it might be a state thing, too. >> When do they typically have their brood? Is it spring, summer, or fall?

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>> Oh, so the gestation the gestation period is like four months. >> Yeah, something like that. >> Okay. Yeah, they can they can have uh three I think three whatever it's called litters or litters per year then. Okay.

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>> Yeah. Per I think per per s. >> Yeah. But the thing that I don't know if the state defines is the square footage each animal needs.

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>> Right. And that specifically would would address um or partly address the concern on uh East State Street. >> They they don't they don't >> they don't have >> they don't >> Yeah, they do. They do not

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>> Well, they only have two pigs, so it's not a pickery. So, >> right. They don't have a pigory. Only two pigs. >> Right. Like it's Yeah. So, so, so I think that if it's identified that you have three pigs,

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>> you know, baby pigs counting in the cow, >> unless they're free, freerange pigs would require like a half an acre or something. >> Yeah. And they really don't limit from my conversations with Kim, they don't limit the size as long as the animals

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have are, you know, have their shelter and water and can get up and move around, you know, just Yeah. They there's no restriction on that. So >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. And the only the only other thing

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which is we can't make them do that is uh the pen configuration. In other words, if you are staking out part of your backyard, you're going to get mud.

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And uh when it rains, it just adds to the mud. the waste adds to the mud. And um I I understand the concept of of the neighborhood with this environment. Um I

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don't if you have a concrete pad, then you eliminate all of that because the cleanup is so easy to do. >> But there's no regulations, I don't think, in place to force that. Um, so it's it's

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yeah, it's the way the it's the way the animals are raised pretty much everywhere. >> Yeah. >> I mean, something else to consider too is do we give pigory permits to people that aren't farms? >> Um, it's a good question. >> And then

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>> I don't know the definition. a farm. If you're a farm, you you have a minimum acreage acorage requirement. So that that's the only thing that comes to mind. >> Yeah. But I'm guessing if you're >> and you have pigs, you still have to

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have a pigory. >> Oh, yes. This >> beyond a reasonable doubt that that is true, but I'm just saying not everyone can just have a pigory because they have a few pigs. >> That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think the way it is,

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the state says three uh and the definition doesn't say whether it's uh quarter acre per animal or whatever. >> So, that's fast forward. That's what brings us to the spot we're in right now.

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>> Well, Colleen, I think Kim's here. >> Can you hear me? >> Yes, Kim. Hi. >> Hi. I'm sorry. I have been driving and losing service. So, I've been on. >> I am pulling over. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for

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working with us on this. >> Yeah, of course. So, I heard a little bit about the other issue with the pigs. I don't know if we want to go back to that now that the petricuses are off or >> Yeah, why don't why don't we not talk

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about that until I do my inspection, but in general, why don't we just talk about the our regulations and how to circumvent problems going forward? >> Yeah. So, I wasn't sure exactly how to

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decide who would be necessarily um made to get a permit. So, say, you know, somebody has a male and a female pig that's only two and they don't have a permit and then those pigs have babies.

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You know, now do they need a permit because they have babies? I don't know. I'm just not very clear on the whole process, I guess, of what the the town is looking for in regards to the permitting. >> Yeah. I'm I'm just looking from a

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practical point of view. I think when they talk about three or more pigs, my opinion is they mean mature pigs, big sows and big males. And >> for some reason, they're not counting the babies, >> at least until they're age,

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>> right? So that's what my thought is too. Like as far as the dogs are concerned in town, you know, we don't count dogs until they're six months old. >> You know, they don't get counted in. Um, so I didn't know if it was similar with

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the pigs or not. Um, my other thought too is a lot of people do get pigs say now and they just keep them for a few months to grow them out and then they slaughter them. >> So I know like the permitting process is

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in November, but if the pigs aren't there in November, you know, what are we doing about that? Are we doing permits all year long or are these only going to be people that have them for

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a length of time? >> That's an interesting point. >> These are very good questions. I definitely think that maybe we could do our homework here and and either find a content expert on this or, you know,

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discuss it with another board of health that's faced something similar in other farming towns. Um, >> that's a good point, Mile. Maybe Colin, could you reach out to Hadley >> Yes. >> I think Hadley would be the quintessential town to reach out with regard to this

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>> because it's now we're reading between the lines. Are we just pigs are swine and and welpings don't count? >> Right. >> It's hard for us to >> Yeah. So talk to the folks in Hadley, see what they have to say about >> Lee. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, that's actually uh that's actually a good idea to reach out to a an adjacent town who has a whole lot more farming activity like Graanby used to have back in the day, but they would have an opinion of

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how they deal with the count and of course uh keeping the neighbors uh from going at each other's uh throat uh over this very topic. Okay.

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>> Yeah, makes perfect sense. >> Okay. Well, Kim, thank thank you for checking in and I guess we're going to be revisiting this down the road a bit. >> Yeah, of course. That's just kind of the guidance I've been giving when people are asking me. I just said it's kind of a work in progress and we're going to

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let everybody know when we have final answers. >> Okay. Well, again, thank >> I'm assuming we're not removing any pigs until we figure this out, right? Everybody can keep >> I think Yeah, we're going to have to do some deep thinking before we come up with some sort of decision on this one.

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>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure >> Yeah. >> I just want to make sure I was giving the correct information. That's all. >> Yeah. Thank Thank you, >> Lee Mile. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Kim. >> Yeah, of course. >> All good. Thank

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>> good. Okay, so that's that and I guess I guess that's it. And we have the Gasparis here. So Cindy and Dave, the floor is yours. >> Oh, yeah. I'm still here just listening.

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>> Okay, Dave. All right. So, what's the latest with the situation >> with with our situation or your situation? >> Well, well, no, the sit I'm guessing you're here because of the Ken Lane water situation.

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>> Yeah. Uh Cindy just alerted me that 12 Ken Lane was on the agenda. >> Well, well, we'll disc I didn't see it on the agenda, but we'll discuss it now. >> So, that that's what I was told that

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that uh we got we got an email from Colleen that we printed out that it was going to be on the agenda tonight. So, >> well, I sent you the agenda, but there that wasn't on the agenda for

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>> Okay. Any anyway, >> initially uh uh initially there was an invitation to 12 Ken Lane. Um and at at some point in time between the

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invitation and the meeting um that particular party decided not to attend. >> Oh, I see. So, >> yes. >> So, so Cindy, Dave, and Diane were all supposed to be here.

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>> Yeah, I guess. And I guess Diane's not attending >> um the meeting. >> Okay. Well, actually, let's just talk a little bit about the technical because we have our hydraulics expert here, Mile. Now, you're a hydraulics expert.

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[laughter] >> Now, here's my understanding. And again, this is through the grapevine. Apparently, the town or a town agent installed a polyethylene pipe

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to run between um Dian's house and the catch basin down the street. Is that correct, Dave? >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. All right. Now, I understand there was something to do with the pipe, and I

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think [clears throat] Mr. Nent used a barbed internal barbed connection rather than over-the-top Fernco connection. Does that sound right? >> I don't know. I don't know what he did. I All we know is uh Dick Dick Bombader

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said that Kevin Nent was going to come and try to blow the pipe out. That's all we were told. >> Okay. All right. Because this is why I'm I'm I'm peppering mile because I think mile when I think it was inch and a half or inch and a quarter polyethylene pipe

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and if you use the internal barb connection it's like putting an orifice in it. You get a lot of head head loss. So my thought is take that out do an overthe-top fernco essentially making the pipe continuous and you don't get that head drop across that orifice. >> So I think that's a real simple thing to

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at least look at. So I was going to possibly talk to Dave D. D Rocher to see if Dave D. Rocher can help us out. Um >> Dick Bader already said that D Roer was not in on this project. >> So that means we'd have to get a hold of

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>> I know Dick is no longer in on the board of health, but I discussed it a couple times with Dick and Dick said that uh D Roer was dead set against any moving forward, especially attaching us into the pipe.

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Um, my main concern right now is what's going on. Her pipe is in the road. What's going to happen in the winter months? >> Well, the question is why isn't that pipe draining in the catch base now that it's 90°?

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I'm sure >> this is what I don't understand. I I'm not I'm not an expert, but we had our seller basically waterproofed like Diane has >> except I think ours is a a much much

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much better system. We had it done by Mr. Home. >> Our pipes that it's kind of like an inside the cellar French drains, if you will. >> Yes, I've seen those. I've seen those >> with the five horsepower pump. I've got I can show you the videos of how they

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put it in and everything, but >> I think over there I think that whole system she had put in I think it failed. The company Real Dry Sellers I don't think they have any warranty or

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if they did it expired because our warranty is for Cindy and my life and transferable to the next owner. and I have that in the written contract. So, I don't think she has I don't think

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she I think her whole system failed and it not being moved forward to get repaired. >> Now, here's the [laughter] question. Where is this obstruction in the pipe? Is it in the house or is it out in the >> I don't know. I don't know. I'm

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I I'll tell you exactly how I found this out from Dick Bomb Deer. Dick Bombader told me that Colleen talked to the people, whoever the people are, that there was an obstruction in the pipe

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inside and Kevin knew it was going to come and blow it out. That was about five weeks ago. And then Dick Bombadier came here because she rerouted the pipe that was

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going to the road and turned it to my house and had it flowing into our circle like right towards my well. >> So Dick Bombader got into a big argument with Diane. He was there for a couple

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hours and she finally put the pipe back in the road. Now, she moved the pipe out of the road in facing east on her property because the Bailey's driveway was getting all eroded that was

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concrete from all the water. >> Well, I know they put a new driveway in a concrete driveway. >> They did. >> Stuart is did all that work himself except pour the concrete. >> Mhm. >> And they on the bottom of the driveway. Now, it looks like it's going to be like

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a a hill, so nothing can wash in the driveway. >> All right. Well, well, listen. Uh, >> somebody has to get something going that that she really needs to do that repair. I mean,

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in getting back with like the septic system, the two-year limit is going to be already in November. Sean Gonfel and I had a long discussion two years ago and he said, "David, the state law is the homeowner has two years

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to either repair or replace the system. That's why she was allowed to go back into her property. My concern is not really so much with that pipe in the road. My concern is when is she going to

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be moving forward into now it's going on the better part of a year and a half that septic system is completely done. That's what the words I was given to by the board of health. The septic

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tank is all rotted out and all her leech fields and all her waste in that house is going into the ground which my well is only 75 ft away from her failing septic tank. And how do I know that is because the

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guy that did all the work, the structure work on her house, I know him. He took a tape measure and put it on my well and he went in her backyard. He said it's about 75 ft. >> Yeah, >> it's supposed to be 100 ft. Now I don't

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know why, but my water is really starting to stink. I don't know what what's up with that. >> David, have you had your water tested for Eoli and Colifform bacteria? >> We had it tested by Quabin. Well, we paid I don't know, $164.

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>> Did it come back negative? >> We did test it again. I don't know if if we specified an for an E. coli and the other test that you said, Mr. Sheen, so we can have the

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water tested again. that that's >> Yeah, we're again my understanding again I've been out of the loop but now that that Dick isn't with us anymore. Um I understand Diane was in process of

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getting funding through the through the town. And Colleen, has there been any change in that process? I I think we're having trouble getting her to >> Yeah, she was having she was talking to the woman that took over as the administrator that she was let go and

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but Dick told me he said nobody really knows about where this funding money is coming from. >> I mean, we didn't get funding from the town. We had to put a new system in. We went and we put we took another loan on

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top of our mortgage to get our new septic tank in. >> Yeah. I remember when you built your leech field. >> To be perfectly honest with you, I I we didn't go through the town for the loan for the our septic. I went country bank

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is if I remember correctly um was a bank that was participating in lowinterest loans for septic tank replacement or septic system replacement obviously went by your income they had zero% 1% and I

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think two or 3% loans um so you we didn't go through the town, wait for the town to pave the way for that. I went to the bank myself. I was given a list of banks and I went to them

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and I chose country bank just because it was close to um where I was working at the time. So if they had a question during the day, I could just, you know, zip right down or um I could go over there at lunchtime and and make a payment. But um I never went through the

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town. I did that. So, it can be done personally. Um, >> yeah. And and you know, the only other thing I can really add to this is is not I'm not quoting on what anything Lee said tonight, but he he did say

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we can't do something for one and then the other ones get treated different. And basically that's what she is. She's being treated different. that has a year and a half right now and it's not even

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started in a year and a half more that septic tank is leeching in to the groundwaters on this pro on my property on Bailey's property on Ed Cordons. I'm very

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surprised none of them are at any of these meetings but they're all friends with Diane. So, so Dave, what do you want this board to do at this time? >> Well, legally,

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she has two years. So, two years is I don't know. When I was discussing it, I think with Dick, he said two years was up in November. >> So, legally, >> Charlie, did did Al Weiss do a septic design? He did a septic design for that

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property. Somebody did. She was she was working with somebody. >> And the DWCP is going to expire in November. >> I I'd have to check that >> or or something of that nature. Something of that. >> And I did give her >> I I think

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>> some I Excuse me, Dave. Uh, I did give Diane the information on banks that had the lowinterest loans for septics and she was supposed to be, you know, trying to, of course, there's been nobody in the front office for her to check with. So, that's what's

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been hard on that end. Um, >> and and Diane gave you that information, Colleen. Nobody in the front office to check with. >> Well, no. I'm I'm saying there has been nobody in the front office because we haven't had a you know a town

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administrator there for a while. So um >> I mean what I I would like to see happen, Dick, is is she had to move out of that property. The building inspector ordered her and her mother out of there because the property was unfit. That was

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will be two years in November that happened. So legally Diane has until that two years whenever you sent Diane that letter to vacate the property. When

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was that? Do you remember? >> Uh no sorry I don't it >> I think it it's going to be two years in November I believe. It's already eight months gone past one year already. So >> we have to prepare. I wouldn't like to

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see >> you guys to get >> if she doesn't and and I [clears throat] I find it hard to believe I understand about the town financing or however that works, but if

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that's not happening with the town, then she needs to move forward and do her own financing. She works full-time. We We had to do it. A lot of other people in Grahamby had to do it. Why doesn't she have to do it?

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>> Well, pointed. >> Yeah. Point well taken. Lee Mile, any comments, fellas? >> Um I there's no argument. I mean, it's it's been everyone's been

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more than patient. Um, everyone's been trying to help and be cooperative. >> Um, I think it's time or >> past time to actually

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get something done. And I would, you know, I was I was hoping that we could meet with Diane this evening and and have a >> positive discussion of how to proceed.

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Um, which would be in the best interest of the neighborhood and of course um her address at number 12 Kane. But >> yeah, un unfortunately Lee, she's she

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says her tank is fine. It's not failed. Even though you guys said it's it's done, she does in and she's going to do what she wants to do, not what the board of health tells her to do. I feel very bad that Mr. Bombader had to come over

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her house and argue with Diane for two hours. I stood in my driveway filming it and she was screaming at poor Dick >> on the top of her lungs and Dick just sat there for two hours and took her BS

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while he finally got it put in the road. And then she had the audacity to take that pipe and put it in the the culde-sac here facing my house

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because Steuart Bailey was upset because the water was ruining his driveway. That is why Dave de Ro repaved his street to to see if he could route the water more towards the catch

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basins. But the street is is not graded right because the water runs from her house in the middle of the road and then flows down like a triangle if you will. But sometimes when you're in my driveway

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you can smell raw sewage. And that's a guy I swear on my daughter's life. Cindy said that it's possible that water from her her going from her house that's going

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into the ground is the water that's backing up into her cellar that she's pumping out in the street that stinks. But you know what? I'm I just want to say this um Bill that legally right now

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my hands are tied and your hands are tied and Lee's and Colleen and the new guy because legally she has two years. She has whenever you issue that cannot occupy letter. You would have to look

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that up. I know I have a copy of it. She has two years from that date that was issued until whatever the date comes up in November. >> We have to take we have to take keen sight of that date and take action.

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>> Cindy, we have a copy of that letter. Correct. I don't even think she's on anymore. >> Colle I think it would obviously the date that we approved the septic design that would be time equals zero. So, we'd go two years from that t equals zero

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date, whenever that is. >> Well, in in December of 2024, she did not live in the house. >> Last year, she had uh Chuck Hallowell from town brought her a Christmas tree. The year before, her and her mother had

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to um leave the premises because the building inspector deemed the house not safe to live in because the roof was caving in. So, in my opinion, I think she's had

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adequate time to get something moving. And now I I just was listening. I wasn't looking, but I was listening to this architect lady for Red Fire Farms talking about how this time of year is

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very difficult to even get the ball rolling on this stuff because the supply and demand. >> That's true. >> I thought I was told that Josh Fugler was supposed to do that tank.

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I was pretty sure Dick Mader he he said, "Do you know Leo Fugler's grandson Josh?" And I said, "Yes, cuz he's been on our property. >> He's more than capable." >> And from what I understand, Dick said

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that Josh was all up to date on all the schooling and everything. So, I don't know, but I would like maybe you guys can issue her another letter and, you know, find out exactly what's going

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on and find that letter that you when she had to move out and she had two years from that date and put you have two years from the date you had to move out until whenever that comes up in November. >> Yeah. because that's exactly what Sean

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Gonfal told me. >> Yeah, I think what we should do and and again mile and late let me know your thoughts not tonight but in the very within a couple of meetings we should issue her essentially a heads up letter by the way

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in November you will be out of time for your leech field a fair just give her a fair warning that uh things have to happen quickly. >> Yeah. Do you want to compel her to attend a meeting in regards to >> We actually asked her and she she declined.

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>> She in writing we did >> h >> in writing we in a letter we asked that >> yeah we we can do that actually. Did you Colleen? How did you ask her to attend the meeting? Email. >> No I called her. >> Oh you called her. >> I called her up and asked her and she

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was not comfortable >> in in a meeting forum. You know she Lee, what do you think, sir? >> Um, I think um as part of the groundwork

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um we should contact Alan Weiss. I believe he was the design engineer. Still have record of what he saw at the time and what his recommendation is on that system. I believe

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um he didn't think it was adequately treating the waste from that location and recommended a complete install. Um and

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that data along with the time frame and maybe some uh chatting with her about the fact that He has adequate time and has had adequate time to address

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this situation and ignoring it is not going to do any good for herself or the neighborhood. And it should be, you know, we just need

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to address this and get [snorts] it at least um into the talking phase and hopefully by the fall sooner get it in the ground. I don't know why why the the resident at

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12 isn't addressing the obvious. So, it sounds like you could probably that >> I think somebody has two microphones open. So, we're getting we're getting some phasing feedback now.

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>> That better, Phil? >> Yeah, better. >> So, I think we should draft a letter that addresses the fact that x amount of time has gone by since said date from Al's assessment and then also invite her

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cordially to attend a meeting so we can come up with a plan. I think that should be documented. >> Okay, Lee, are you good with that? >> Yeah, >> absolutely. >> Okay, Colleen, could you draft a letter please for that to that effect and let

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me see it and I'll and Lee and I can edit it. Okay, >> I'll send it to you. Yeah. >> Yeah, send it to Lee and I. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. >> Thank you. Okay, Dave. So, again, thanks for coming in. Sorry. It's >> fine. And I apologize that I thought we

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were on the agenda, but I'm just going to let make one last sentence. You guys need to figure out what you're going to do if she doesn't comply in the two-year period. >> Well, I I realize that. I realize that. >> I'm gonna have to talk to Brian Oul at some point.

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>> You know, you're going to have to tell her, you know, because it's state regulation. She's got two years. If you don't proceed to have it fixed in the two-year limit, you're gonna have to move back in with your daughter. >> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> She should, in my my opinion, that you guys should have never let her move back in, but the law is the law. You have two years. And I thanks for the time. Thank you guys. >> Thank you. Good to see you and Cindy. Thank you so much. This >> What's the new guy's name? >> Mile like the distance. Nice to meet

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you, dude. Are you Hawaiian? [laughter] >> That's great. That's great. >> Nice meeting you. See you later, Lee. >> Thank you, Dave. Thank you, Senator. >> I think Jim's still there.

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Jim, are you still there? >> I guess not. Okay, I guess. Is that it, Colleen? >> I think that's it. Although, no, wait. One one one thing that it came in from an email um about uh from Tom

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uh for the fire department and the board of health. He wants to know if next week you guys could meet uh all meet um over at 185 West State Street. So >> Oh, that's over at the Chateau. Yeah, >> that's the Chateau.

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>> Yeah, I I'll go I can do that. I can do that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Lee, do you want to do it or you want me to do it? >> What are we uh What are we doing? >> That's that little food That's that little food wagon for the chef. >> Yeah, I'm not I'm

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I not sure. He didn't It didn't really say. All it said was 185 West State Street. So maybe they're talking about the food place. Uh I'm not sure exactly. I >> Well, assuming maybe >> I think the food place then should uh should Lynn be um

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>> Yeah. Yeah, maybe Lynn should go. I think Lynn should go as our representative. >> Okay. I'll find out if it's the food and then um maybe can but >> yeah if it's something different of course >> okay >> we'll adjust and but if it's the food

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>> if it's that food shack in the back I think Lynn should be the lead the lead >> yeah she you know her time isn't as open but yeah I'll see if it's if it is a food and then maybe we can get get >> my Lindon is is our food inspector she

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does a very nice job for us thank Okay. >> Okay. That was that. >> So Lee, why don't you tie the ribbons on this, sir? >> Well, at this point in time, um,

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and after nine, I think we've uh addressed as much as we can. We had a good meeting, a good reorganization. Um, the new member is up and running and um I think it's time to uh take a short

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nap and do it again tomorrow. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And and thank thank Dick for allowing to to use his Zoom uh situation. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Thank you.

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>> Yeah. Okay. >> Welcome aboard. Thank you. >> It's a pleasure. Thanks for the opportunity everybody. Thank you everybody. Good evening. >> Thank you Paul. >> Good night. >> Good night. Thank you. Bye. A hug. Byebye.