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I can go over the Oh, quickly before I forget, let us look at our our minutes for the the 7th of October. How are we with those? I didn't have any corrections. >> No, I'm I'm fine. Thank you. >> They're fine, Doug.
>> Okay, Colleen, that's those are approved. Okay, >> that we're going to quickly go over our I've got three septic systems that that I reviewed. I I did not finish the review on the fourth one which is on 44
Taylor Street. That one still there's I just saw new designs came in this evening. I have not reviewed it, but the three that we've got are all Neil Jackson. First one is on 23 Pine Brook Circle. That's a repair. It's a complete
system. Three-bedroom house. The fee is paid. Review is complete. It's cleared. U pretty level, not quite 3/4 of an acre, deep sand, 101 inch water table.
Wetlands are to the rear, but but not influencing this design. This is a community water supply. There's no wells. Issues are the the lot size is a little small and the wetlands are in the
back. The design is for a new 1500gallon two compartment tank with an outlet filter. Got three 3 foot by 40 foot by 12 in effective depth trenches. They're not vented. 444 gallons a day are
provided. 440 needed. Fill is required. Reserve area is not provided. There's six foot spacing. Does have 5- foot water table separation. Balance ballast is not required. The existing septic tank is to be pumped, crushed, and
removed. Uh filtration control is specified on this one. The septic tank and SAS separations to wetlands and and the wells since there aren't any community water more than 100 ft. What I have it to discuss is a print format
still. Um Neil typically doesn't put high dimensions to the septic tank. He doesn't have it here, but but he needs to have them per code. The other is that I found out this week that where Neil
just says, "Oh, that the debox has to have at least 12 inches of spacing in between." He really needs to have a some kind of a detail on the distribution box for code. Um he's also he keeps this note number 24 requiring a pump and
alarm that has to be removed. But that's what I have on that one. Lee, you're the guy that was out there on this one. What What are your thoughts? Um I I think everything that you touched upon is um
is covering what's on that particular site. >> Uh I don't see anything um else that can be modified or changed or
of of concern. >> How are you with this one? Bill >> seems straightforward, Dick. No problem. >> Okay, me too, Colleen. So, that was approved. >> Okay, >> next one is 49 Bon Street. That's what surprised me. I expected this one to be
still and and high water, but it's not. This is a repair, a complete system, three-bedroom house. This is one we've been after for a couple of years. Fee is paid, review is complete, the cleared. It slopes down. As you look at the
house, it slopes down to the right towards the east. This is on the north side of Barton Street. It's also a little less than 3/4 of an acre. It's got loose sandy loom 80 in 80 and 85 inch water table. The issue again a
little bit on lot size and little bit on on water table. Uh the design is for a new 1500gallon two compartment tank with an outlet filter. This one also has three three foot by 40 foot by 12 in
effective depth trenches not vented. 444 gallons per day provided versus 440 required. Sill is required. Reserve areas. This is essentially the same system as I just talked about. Uh reserve areas not provided. Six foot
spacing 5- foot water table separation ballast isn't required. The existing septic tank and leech seal is to be pumped, crushed, and filled. Filtration and control isn't specified on this one because there's no wetland.
Septic tank and SAS separations of wetlands and wells more than 100 ft. Discussing the trench permit, the fill. Uh adding a tide dimension to the septic tanks. This one uh matters because he he
doesn't uh call out even some distance from the house. Uh again that after talking to the state guy this week, the code does require that that Neil put some kind of a detail on the distribution box on the drawing. That
has to be okay. >> Put in there. Um Lee, you were on on this one and and what are your thoughts? Uh the only difference well the the only major difference is that initially when
we went to this site I don't know 18 months ago we were working in the front yard just off the driveway and then uh upon return we were in the backyard of this property um which
the soil changed um quite a bit from what we found on the And I think um in conversation, I can't remember all the details, but I think that for whatever reason, the homeowner
was more receptive to having the system in the backyard. I'm not sure why it took 18 months to figure that out. But the part that matters is that it's finally in the uh in the crosshairs of being completed. I know there was some
concern for an adjacent property as far as uh um SAS and well location to the property uh I believe to the um I want to say northeast but I from what
I can tell everything's been properly addressed going forward. Okay with this one, too. >> Dick, >> do we have a completion date? I know this was kind of a a uh concern of ours. Do we have a completion date requirement
as part of this package? >> We don't have the >> because if we just approve this, they get the design, they get some bids, and they just sit on it for the next two years, we've really accomplished nothing. Do we do we get the Well, they've
already they only had two years from the time that they sold the house to get this thing done. >> Although they didn't ever did a Well, they did do a title five. My suggestion is that
>> still to to to get this movie. My suggestion is to approve the design but to get the get the owner once since it's would be approved get the owner in here and get them to give us a schedule.
>> Okay. >> Neil, can you answer that? >> I can. Yes, I can. And the reason it took so long is because the owner didn't want to spend the money to locate his well. He was sure it was in the back. It absolutely was. That's why we perked in the front and I told him I wasn't
designing until I had an absolute location of his well. And come to find out it was in the front. So >> So good thing we did find look for it. >> Yeah. >> So that's why we went in the back. >> So yes, I will I will arrange for the
owner to come in. Okay. So, are we going to approve this one, Lee and Bill? >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Okay, Colleen, we're approving that. >> Okay. >> The next next one is also Neil Jackson. This is lot five Taylor Street, Carver
Street. This is one of the ones that that uh up on it's up on the plateau across the street from the Chilowi property. And before you make the turn and start up the the next hill, it's new
construction, a complete system, three-bedroom house. The fee is paid. Review is complete. The wooded lot or was the last time I was there level in the front with sloped down to the to the rear that's northwesterly.
A one and a half acre lot, deep sands with no observed water table. There's no wetlands. The issues there are none. The design is for a 1500galon two compartment septic tank with outlets. Oh, by the way, that last one was a I
didn't read it, but it it was a terror system. It wasn't level. The first one was level, but this one a two compartment septic tank with outlet filter, three 3 foot by 45 foot by 12 in effective depth
uh sidewall trenches. They're level uh 499 gallons a day provided versus 440 required. Fill is required. Reserve areas between and adjacent to the trenches. 5 foot water table separation.
Ballast is not required for the septic tank. Tiltation control is not specified on this one. Septic tank and SAS separations of the wells and the wetlands is more than 100 ft. to discuss. Looks like I don't spell discuss right
in these things, but but the trench permit still again added a tie dimension to the septic tank. Again, code requires the detail on the distribution box beyond the drawing. This one is the the
temporary benchmark is just a screw in a tree. And we we need a plan on this drawing to address identifying that and guarantee it doesn't get moved and preserving it. And something has to be
added to the drawing to ensure that that that occurs or getting a a second benchmark, something that's permanent so we can be sure the system doesn't move around vertically. Also, this one has note number 24 requiring a pump and
alarm circuits that has to be removed. So, we we have any any discussions on this one? >> I'm fine with this, Dick. >> No, I I'm I'm good all the way around.
Thank you. >> Okay, Colleen, I am too. So that one will be approved subject to those issues. >> Okay. >> The last one it's not ready for discussion but there is something that that is I see Tom is is here. This is 44
Taylor Street. I have not had a chance to review the latest changes but something that that we should be we should be talking about so that because it's a major change if we don't grant it
is Tom is is requested his per rate that he put us down on the drawing and we saw but with a very high water table was was 2.3 minutes an inch and that's at the time I I said to Tom that that's
absolutely 2 minutes soil. And uh Tom and I went out to the site again to look and and see if we were in trouble with ledge, we weren't. Uh but when Tom and I looked at at the the actual site,
Tom is is gone with Elgen system the an Elgen design unit and he's requesting a three-foot water table separation as compared to five. And and when Tom and I looked at
this site, we said that and if if we require more than the three-foot separation, it just it's just not going to fit in there. This is a really tough spot to
fit this in. And at the same time, Tom changed the design from a a 220 to a 330 gallon SAS. So, so not only did did you know that we said, "Gee, this is tight and trying to get this in and and Tom
got he's already making use of some some uh membrane to to keep the water in my I told him at the time that I thought that the board would go along with the three-foot separation and that in the
past we have we have granted the three-foot sep operation with these systems and and that's a you know Tom and I can go through the the review of the changes that he makes he's made to comply with my request but we can't that
Tom and I together can't deal with something that the board's got to decide whether we're going to grant this variance. And so what Lee and and Bill, my my feeling is, and I told Tom at the time that the last time we were
out there, that I thought that the the variance was was reasonable and necessary in this case. So, but I also told them that that was a a board decision, not a big mom of their
decision. What are Bill and Lee, what are your think? And Lee, you're this is the one that Yeah, I'm in um you >> you said you're >> I'm in conflict >> on on this because it's adjacent property. So I cannot uh and will not be
making comment. >> So Bill, it's you and me. Yeah. >> What is your thought on the three-foot area? >> Dick, the modeling oxide line, is it really well defined? >> Yeah, it it was really well defined when
we got in there. It was we were we were really sure that that was where it was. >> Okay. So, I think dropping it two feet would be fine. >> Okay, Tom. So, that's what what we'll do. So, we ought to be able to go ahead
with reviewing your plan. That was the question I couldn't answer for you. >> Okay. Um I I did make uh substantial changes. I raised the uh height of the septic tank and the pump tank and the main sewer two feet. Uh they were trying
to utilize an old uh cast iron line that was below the slab, but talking to uh the plumber, uh we can raise it. We can bring the drain out and get away from that um issue of having the uh inlet and
outlet at the water table or below the water table. So uh that has been incorporated in the latest plan that should uh take care of that. I took care of all the other items that you mentioned uh such as increasing the uh
we pole in the pump system um second benchmark and um and and I think everything that you were looking for I believe is in the final plan. I would ask if this could be in some way addressed before another monthly
meeting. I know that the owner is under a lot of financial bank pressure to get some sort of approval. Is it possible? >> I'd request that the board since I've been working on it so long, what could
work if if you guys would give me the authority to to grant the approval, let Colleen sign off on it. if if once I just get over the review, make sure Tom and I are on board that that uh we could
do it instead of waiting two more weeks. >> Yeah, that'd be fine, Dick. And and Dick, you're going to do the construction inspection, correct? >> It's a repair. >> Yeah, I guess that'll have to do. >> That's fine.
>> Okay. So So Lee can't vote on it. I forgot that Lee couldn't vote on it, Tom. So, till Bill and I both agree that that we'll do it that way. I I'll go over the review if if I'm okay with it, which I we've gone through it enough
times, we should be pretty close and uh we'll get it done and Colleen has will have the authority to sign off on it. We'll get it done >> and I'll mail you the hard copy. >> That's that's fine. I'm the I'm okay
with the you has have to go to Colleen with the stamped hard copy, but I can work on the the soft thing to to get it done. I'll look at it hopefully tomorrow morning I can work on it. >> Wonderful. >> Okay.
>> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> Nice to meet you. Thank you. Bye bye. >> Thank you all. >> So we we uh >> That's good. With that, I guess I guess we can we can move through our
Let me get my my list of things. Uh Colleen time sheet. I've got a a normal twoe time sheet of 70 hours. Are we okay with that? >> Yep, that's fine.
>> Yes. Yep. >> I have two, Colleen. So, that's approved. >> Next one is schedule of of department payments to the treasurer from us. It totals this period $1,525.
Of that, we about $1,025 from board of health permits, $300 from board of health licenses, $200 from board of health fees, and that's it totaling the $1,525. Are we okay with that?
>> Yes. >> Yes. Yes, >> I am too, Colleen. So, that's approved. >> The next one is to uh let's see this is the tobacco permit
for Dollar General. It's a renewal for next year. It's going uh this one it will be issued October 21st and expires September 30th, 2026.
October 21st, 2025 starts. Are we okay with that? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And I am too, Colleen. So that's that's approved. The next one is a one-day
temporary food permit and this is for uh Immaculate Heart of Mary and it's the Veterans Pork Growth Center 9:00 a.m. to 900 p.m. on November 8th. Are we set with that one?
>> Yes, that's good. >> Yes, I am too, Colleen. So, that's approved. >> Okay. The next one is an old one. I I didn't remember it. It's a It's a well permit and Colleen looked it it up. It
is for lot one on Chapie Street for Jerry Cadair. Um it's based on a design that we approve. Uh I don't even
>> Oh, that was that was Al Weiss design. Mhm. >> It's got a few trenches in the front of the house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just looked at that on behalf of conservation today. Yes. >> Okay. And I didn't remember. Now I do. Now I >> 2023. There's two year actually that
that may have run out. Dick. You got to check the date on that one. >> Yeah. Colleen says that it it's still it's still valid. It's got another year on it. >> But not quite. No, it doesn't have a year. April. The year runs out. It's only got six months left on it.
>> Yeah. April. Yeah. >> I was I was there last night >> for the well. >> You were? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, are we all set with this?
>> Well, the well is good. I didn't realize that the uh time frame on that thing was running so tight. >> But it still allows them to put a well in. >> Yeah. If you look at that design, Dick, there's not much room in the front yard between the house, the foundation, and
the the lot line. It's really a tight fit in there. >> It is a tight fit. >> It is a tight fit, but we we did approve that. >> Oh, yes. It's fine. >> So, we should the well should be okay on
this one, >> Colleen. Maybe Maybe it's worthwhile to let Jerry Kadair know when you when we say this is okay that he's about to run out on the on the permit for the SAF.
>> Yeah, I can let him know. I can let him know. Yeah. >> The next one is a well permit for 44 Taylor Street. I'm I'm guessing we're in the we're in the same predicament.
Uh in fact, we're going to be in a in a funny predicament when when we go to approve the the system design because this this design requires the abandonment of the the existing well
plus the drawing the installation of a new well. And that's going to we typically approve the design but don't grant the the septic permit until those wells are taken care of.
So >> So we're going to have to plus it's a a twobedroom plus it's a a twobedroom design and it's got the Elgen system. So, not only do these wells have to be done, they're going to end up with the
the deed restrictions have to be filed and and given to us before this. So, we're we're going to end up with a a design that's approved, but not a permit granted. And now we're back to the the well.
Do we do we do the same thing for his his well? is that if if we I approve the septic system that I approve the well also for him. >> I have another question. His installer
does his installer have a valid license in our town? >> Well, he supposedly he does. When I talked to him, he told me he did. Oh, yeah. >> Colin, do you know this fellow? >> Yeah, he does. Yeah, he he got his
license. >> Oh, he does. Okay. >> Yeah, he he has it. Yeah. For for this year. >> Well, we're back. Lee, that you can't vote on this one, too. >> That's correct. So, Bill, do we just handle it the same
way as with the the septic system that that uh the I guess that that also means that that Lee you're not going to locate the well either, huh?
>> I mean, I probably shouldn't do anything. You know what I mean? Just to really >> Yeah. Yeah. They stay completely out of it. >> Okay. Then then that then I can do that or Bill can do it. Some one of Bill or
>> whatever. Whatever. >> So, Bill, do you want me to just handle it the same way that I'll tell >> Yeah. Just take take care take care of everything there, Dick. The question is though, >> where is the well to be abandoned? How close is it to the the proposed new
leechfield? I uh let me see I can >> because if it's real real close maybe that well should be abandoned before they do any septic work. >> It has to be that this to do this thing the way we handle this thing is the well
has to be abandoned and decommissioned and a new well be installed before they do any septic work. >> Okay. Okay. >> That's the way we handle it. And so, and not only that, he's going to have to have the deed restrictions both
filed before we give them the the okay to do the system. >> Okay. >> So, this isn't, you know, where Tom is saying, oh, it's wants to get done. All it's going to do is the paper part of this is going to be kind of moving, but
the system's not going to go in. but he can't get the well done until we approve the system. So, so he's kind of caught unless we do it the way we're planning to do it. >> Right. So the next one that I have
is this says an application for disposal work. Oh, this is this is for 87 Morgan Street and this is from Neil and it's for
looks I just installed a new distribution box. We This must have been a result of a title five at 87 Morgan Street. >> Yeah, this was from the u uh Mr. Reine the concrete guy. Oh, when they had the
fire. >> Oh, where the fire? Yeah, where the fire was in the back. >> Fire. Yeah. Yeah, that was um what's his name? Um what was his last name? Rajan. Mr. Rajan. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah, that's the location. That's correct.
>> Okay. So, we're all set with that. >> Yeah, it's it's um um it's in it's installed. Everything is >> Oh, okay. >> Everything's good at this point in time. Yeah. >> Okay. Then I have another one for It
looks like it may also be done, but this is when we get we're going to come to two title fives right after these things that that are uh for 274 Hammer Street and 53 West Street. This
one is the 53 West Street and this is as a result of the title five Neil Jackson. This one is a new 1500galon two compartment tank and filter and a distribution box. I believe that it it was a passing title
five except for these the tank and the D boxes. Is this okay? >> Um yeah, I mean the title five I didn't see any reason that no uh high standing and so forth. It was simply um that the
components had outlived their usefulness. >> Yeah. >> But they they are not uh they are not in in in place. >> Okay. >> At at 53 West it's not done. >> Okay. So we can approve this though.
>> Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. >> And Bill, you okay with this, sir? >> Yes, that's fine. Thanks. And >> it's the same thing with 274. >> Same thing with 274. >> Yeah. Yeah. The um the SAS appears to be
functioning as it should, but um the components are just outlive their usefulness. >> Yeah, the 274 Ammer Street is it looks like a pretty old one. The It surprises me. The the West Street one is a pretty new one.
It's one of the the newer houses that are built up. >> Should I put it on the smaller burner? >> Yeah. >> So, so we're one of those mound one of the >> mounted systems there on the left. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we're okay with those. The the
next is that maybe we can approve them both accept them both. It was the 274 Ammer Street and 53 West Street. They're both by Bob Normandon. Both were conditional passes just subject to
replacing those those components we just approved. Are are we set it was okay for looks at water table and and condition of the SAS. Are we okay to approve those both?
>> Yes. >> Fine with those. >> You're all set with that bill too. >> Yes, >> I am too, Colleen. So, >> okay. >> The next one is a an interesting I don't know if you read what what Colleen put
out about Cindy's complaint about the they >> apparently >> the allergy. >> Yeah. And we have an an issue with people working in there not trained
and for allergens. And then the next is that if if you look at what they're doing on how they're serving the food, they've got the the nut two products. One with smashed that
sounds like smashed M&M's with chocolate in them right next to one with smashed M&M's with nuts in them. And then with people that don't know about allergies, it it sounds like it a training issue with people and then a a layout issue of
putting a potential a known potential problem right in a spot to bite someone at their least expected at time. I don't know what what do we do about it?
When's the last time Lynn's been in there, D? >> I don't know. >> Probably around the time they opened up for the season. >> Yeah. >> So, March, maybe. March or April. >> And they're probably ready to close for
the season now, too. >> May. Is this a thing that we ought to we ought to ask the owner >> to come in and talk to us about it? >> I think that makes sense, Dick. So for next year, maybe they can give us a little diagram as to where the different
toppings for the ice cream will be located in respect to each other. They'll be simple to do. >> What do you think, Lee? >> Well, for sure. Um, this has a uh sure a
lot of potential. uh would have been a whole lot worse than what we got from this thing. But again, um the procedure and layout
needs to be um looked at and somebody I'm don't know how it works, but somebody's in there supposed to be SE safe certified. >> Yeah. and whether they were or not, it was busy or not, which I probably doesn't really matter.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Do do all the servers have to be served safe or just one person on a given shift be served safe? >> Only has to be the person that's that's supposedly in charge has to be served
safe. But >> okay, >> but I think this is worthwhile talking about the the the other thing as we're going to get at least talk a little bit about is the fact that that the the
people at at the at the Church of Christ who are mad at us apparently for saying we want to be taking care of where food is made and how it's Okay. This is a perfect example of what
happens when you don't pay attention to that stuff. >> Sad but true. Yeah. >> So, do you want the owner of Cindy's at the next meeting? >> Think that'd be a nice thing if we could. >> Yes, please. >> Okay. All right. I'll ask him.
>> And maybe we could ask Lynn to to be sure to sit in on it if she can. Okay. Mhm. >> Um just a quick question. Um, Colleen, when permits for
restaurants are given out, um, is the and is the fee scheduled or the paperwork and one inspection per season? Is that how it works?
>> Uh, yes, usually. Yes. Mhm. >> So, okay. We have a we have a policy that says if they have to go back there's extra charges, right, Colleen? >> Yeah. if they go I guess if she were to
have to go back more than two times I think uh it would it would be a a charge on them because um you know if there's an issue or something she might go in one more time
or or if it's before opening and then she's yeah after two yeah I've got a thing right here after two inspections $100 per visit. that will be charged. >> How much is the is the permit? Does it
cover her her two $100 visits? >> Um well, depends on let's see what you got going cuz like the food is either Yeah, the food is either $200 depending on the seating or
$300. So yeah, food establishments are are $2 and $300. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So it really is it's just a break even. >> Yeah. So our next item
is Winehouse complaint. And I I had I used some time up for sure this week on Wine House and the state came in what seemed to be a reason a very reasonable guy. Allan
White, Alex White came in, new guy working for the D has some apparently skilled work, has been a health agent. Uh >> Dick, is he
>> is he waste water or solid waste? >> He's waste. He's >> Yeah, he's liquid. >> Okay. and he was coming in from a complaint standpoint that that the same
same woman that was complaining her last name is Wlette and saying things like >> like having were there automatic controls on the tank that the 2,000galon
tank and and things that that We went through this the status of the installation of the septic system and and it turns out that I'm going to have
to go through the design. I've got there's a a good sheet and I found I got a I have a copy of it. I'll put it out. It's a title five septic system checkoff sheet and it goes through what what D does to go through it. And it seems like
there's going to be an easy thing. I I'll distribute it to the the three of you guys. >> Okay. >> And it gives a list of going through a check off of whether you're what your system's supposed to look like. It just
checks down through it. And it seems like instead of killing myself on systems, you just tell the the engineer he's got to provide this with the design stapled right to it and then you'll know he's gone through it.
>> Dick, we could do an AI generation for this. Have an AI generated review, >> right? You could do that. But but it certainly is make life when we talk about how we're going to set the
next board of health up to be and who's going to do my job and this thing is makes a whole lot of sense that the engineer has to go through it and say it's there or not there. However, there were things that that
he pointed out that in the approved design that that we weren't doing the right thing. It talks about having water lines shown. It It talks about in this particular case, Neil has three different
three different vessels that are below the water table or in the water table and only two uh have the buoyancy calculations. >> They all have to have buoyancy of course. >> All have to have them. And uh the other
is that he doesn't he doesn't specify what the debox is going to be like. It just says a debox should be more than 12 in wide or something and say that's not what the code says. It says you talk you
specify that. The next is is he puts he doesn't have the on the pumping calculations. He does not have how much uh the volume of each pump is each, you know, timing of the the pump, how often
it happens. >> You're supposed to have the head discharge curve of the pump and all that sort of thing. >> That's right. And he doesn't have that. >> And and then on top of that, he says, "Gee, it's going to be a Liberty such and such or equivalent." And you say,
"What does that exactly mean? Are you supposed to match the heads? Are you supposed to match the warranty? Are you supposed to match the construction? It doesn't say what how you determine equivalent, >> right? >> And it doesn't even talk about what the the curve is like, >> right?
>> So So that stuff all has to be, you know, included in his design, which it is not. So the other that for sure is that they there has to be the tank
that we talked about at our last meeting. The a thousandgalon holding tank that put in in place of that that whatever dry well at at the the end of the the wine making operation. I did go into it.
It doesn't look like there's not a lot happening in there. Although although he he has 500 gallons in in each of these tanks, he could he could have a a tank break or a pipe break and 500 gallons of wine could drop on the floor and then go
into this tank. So the thousandgalon tank is something that the state seemed very receptive with there. I had a a discussion about whether they really wanted it to at least to talk about
whether it's industrial waste. And when I Jim Trumpy was there and he says, you know, it's really not. What we're talking about is is and he's going to get the soap that he uses, but it's a a biodedegradable
soap. And then then he just sprays a few gallons into the inside of the tank to rinse them out. is and and when he looked at his operation, his operation is about a month a year that he's he's right now getting grapes in and getting
them, you know, squeezed and and start fermenting them, getting them in b and ced and then they get moved away and he he basically for like 11 months of the year that operation isn't even really used,
>> right? So, so, uh, the state is going to send him a letter saying whether that that waste needs how it could be handled. It seemed to me when I talked to Jim about it that if if he just picks
up 50 gallons on the of floor wash, you know, once every week or something that it would just be managed and probably just bled into his existing system. I I told him that certainly what wouldn't be
very good is if 500 gallons of of 10% alcohol wine went on the floor and and you said, "Oh, I'm going to take that up, you know, in 10 55gallon drums and just drop them into a septic tank." That wouldn't be something that the septic
tank would be very happy with. So, so anyways, that's >> you know, Dick, they'd be better off just spray just sprinkling on on the ground out back, frankly. >> Well, yeah, whatever whatever it is.
That's what that's what Jim said. He said, you know, if you look at just the great, >> right? >> He said, how different is it is if those grapes instead of coming into my my building fell on the ground and just rotted away and went to the ground.
That's right. >> And so, but but he was he was very receptive to to dealing with getting the the a tank in there and and and he said the state was in the process of looking
at what he was using for cleaning and and deciding if he could just put it into the the septic tank. So, they're they're doing that. and and Jim also was was willing to to uh look at the
look at his his legal challenge that he has. He he thinks he thinks he's less than a month away from getting full authorization to stay in business. So, so his his feeling is that that a few months
in into the first construction uh time period that that he can work on after he gets this approval that he'll get this the the main septic system up and running. >> What's the name of the state engineer again?
>> Is Alex White. >> Alex White. Is he a younger fellow? Yeah, I would I would guess I would guess mid30s kind of guy. >> Okay. >> Seemed very reasonable, but he was new
to the department. >> Okay. >> Did he work in another office around the state prior to coming to >> He told me >> he told me that he was coming from the central central uh division. However, he
said he had been working, I believe he said, in the Hill House around here as a health agent. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> So, he's got some on the ground, you know, kind of experience. >> Good.
>> So, so I'm gonna have to do the review. I'll get the review out of what Colleen can I've got a copy of it. I think I do because she sent it to to uh maybe to all of us, but she's definitely sent it to Alex.
So, we what we have not closed on is getting Jim Trompky and Neil into a spot that we've got we've got the the design for the thousandgalon tank and get it get it installed and operational.
Jim did commit to doing it, but we don't have anything in the works to do that. And the and the goal the goal is that I explained to to Alex, I said, you know, no one's got any communications from the
state. You know, we do inspections. We do that. They're supposedly somebody's got a re a report or something and we just don't no one gets copies of it. And that that if if this board's going to be reacting to complaints, we're going to make sure
that everything gets documented and everything gets gets the light of daylight so that everybody can see what people find and what agreements are and and nothing is hidden. It's all out in the open.
Dick, how frequently how frequently is D getting complaints about Wine House? there. They told me it's a consistent and kind of incessant stream of complaints. And they said it
that it's he said that most of the complaints come from the same woman and that that uh and it and they said the complaints go
across horizontally to different people at the at like the local level but vertically. that people's going to people's bosses and their bosses and their bosses >> and uh I I did explain
that that if we and and I we made a a visit and I explained to Alex I said if people if if you look at what's going on right now we do have this small amount
of of liquid that that is not controlled control going through that that dryw at least that what Jim says is the dry well that but if you look at the water table gradient the water table gradient
is going to the east and the south it's going towards Stony Brook road uh Stony Brook so it's getting there by crossing Morgan Street it is not headed north and that there's another stream that
basically runs north south that's to the east of of the houses that are involved and this operation so that the water table I mean the water table gradient also goes to the east along with going
to the to the south and I said if you stand on this site you can see that what goes off of this site doesn't go towards those houses and I said on top of that people can can say where the board has approved
the the installation of the overall system but we allowed the use of the 2,000galon tank which by the way Jim says only it looks like there's 2,000 gallons
that gets gets or half of the 2,000 gallons a thousand gallons of it does last three months. So where this thing is designed for 1,000 gallons a day, it's actually the waste is actually 1,000 gallons in three months. But I
said at that whole operation and all those portaotties are portable toilets don't go into the ground at all. They go into a holding tank and get pumped out. And some of them go into the there's one that in fact that a pumper came and
pumped out one of the the sandy cans while we were there. But I said there is no discard. So when people across the street say that this is caused that there are problems that if there are problems with
wealth, we're going to find out that those systems across the street are all non-compliant sub systems and that those people are >> Dick by rights. Per the code, the alarm on that tank is supposed to be set at
60% of capacity, which I find to be extremely conservative. >> That's what the code says. >> Yeah. >> So, when it hits 1,200 gallons, the alarm's supposed to go off, >> right? So, I don't know what Jim's basically got it set at. >> Yeah.
>> But Neil was supposed to deal with that and get back to us. But that's another that's another thing that we should should button up and make sure that it's it's operating the way we want. But regardless, it's not going to the surface and it's not going to the ground.
>> That's right. But but we're going to see that the the people that are are doing the complaining and and Jim while he was there saying saying, you know, when the wind blows from the north and the
northwest, I can smell their sewage. So, so we've got people that are that are probably with non-compliant systems that are polluting people's wells, maybe their own wells.
So, so this is this is probably, you know, the the issue with the the White House is is going to be fully resolved, but the issue of the the non-performing septic systems in the area are are
probably just going to start for for a problem for us. So that's what that's what happened with my with my visit with the state. The next the next time on our list is
one that that we can we can think about, but I will be going to St. Martin on the 17th of November and where I've got I told Colleen I was coming back on the second. I'm actually
coming back on the the 4th of December. And Colleen, I don't know how many meetings would we have had during that time? >> Two. >> Two.
So we can we can give some thought to to how we can we can handle it. I I think I think that I would have a workable uh
internet connection. I think I could I could try it out once I get there. What it what's loud before me is they're an hour ahead of us. So it means that for me a seven o'clock meeting
starts at 8 o'clock at night >> which >> so we we can think about >> pardon quickly. >> Yeah. >> Short meeting. That's what I said. Have a short meeting. >> Yeah. So, so that
we can think about we've got another meeting before I before I leave. The next is we talked about Colleen's time, especially with with my being gone. So, as a board, we're not going to be talking
a lot all of a sudden. And Colleen is got a request in to change our hours starting at the beginning of the year. It it turns out what what Colleen's proposal to me was she wanted to have
like a Monday and Tuesday off on the weeks that we don't meet and that that she would and that so the board the office wouldn't be open on those Mondays and Tuesdays
And what so every other week it would be closed on Mondays and Tuesdays. But what Colleen is has asked for is over the next month. She's actually asked for vacation
time. That ends up being the same vacation time as those Mondays and Tuesdays if she were working on the schedule she would like to be working on.
So I am wondering if if we should just we always we always let Colleen take the vacation time she wants. >> Yeah. So when she asked that, I said,
"Oh, >> your acred vacation time, correct?" >> What was that, Bill? >> No, you want to use up all your acred vacation time before you retire. >> Well, >> she's not going to retire. >> No, I'm not retiring. And I don't want
to use all the vacation time because I will have vacation also. >> Okay. >> I will have like a week a week in February or March maybe that I'm going away. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. But what >> I'm trying to use some of it. >> So you're just going to go on a reduced schedule then.
>> Uh yes, >> that's what she would like. And what we talked about is we said as a board that we wanted to be see if we could accommodate Colleen so we don't lose her expertise. But but what's happened to us
by hook or by crook or by design or by accident, whatever, is Colleen's next two two-day vacation requests are exactly the the times that she would be asking
to switch her hours. And we can have we my thought is we should be very careful and see how that affects the board and its operation and the town and and see what kind of
problems we run into by having Colleen gone those two days. Right. >> Lee, what is your thinking? Um well my first thought is that um we're
very fortunate to have Colleen as part of our um group here and that flexibility is key. We want Colleen to be happy and to be here for the next 70 or 80 years with
the rest of us. Um, and I don't know the volume of a of a Monday and Tuesday. Colleen would know that, but I think for the most part, um, a lot of things that seem to be an
emergency have been brewing for 6 months. It's human nature. Um, but I think whatever Colleen needs for time off and the board can adjust accordingly because she's a hard worker,
um, she's very efficient and there's no one complaining about any treatment or any stuff that gets missed or lost or nothing like that ever happened. So, I think we're in a good spot. I get the I get the time off thing. Um, even though
that's not who I am. Um, but yeah, I I'm I'm on I'm on board for for working around Colleen scheduled. And if that means I get more phone calls at work and more trips out the door at
the end of the day, then I'm okay with that, too. You know what I mean? >> We're going to, whether we like it or not, just letting her take the vacation that we always let her take, we're going to learn something over the next month. And and I just wanted to make sure when
when I talked to Colleen about it of her vacation, I said, "Geez, if you can, why not put it in a spot that that we get a chance without locking into anything that we can see how it behaves, how the whole thing
behaves." The other thing that that we're not locking into to anything that that if we say gee this looks like it it can work and in fact if it doesn't work >> then we owe it to ourselves and the town
and and Colleen to make something something work. So it it may be that that it doesn't work, but if but at least I wanted to make sure that we all knew that we were like it or not by
granting Colleen her vacation requests. We're ending up trying out the very thing that Colleen was asking to do. >> Yeah. You know, Colleen is certainly indispensable on our board. There's no doubt about it. The thing is though,
never mind us personally, we have to prep the town's people for this proposed change. So, is there any way that we can advertise this on the website to the uh constituency that please make sure that
you conduct your business on the board of health on these days and not these other days? So, we have to we have to prep prep the people because we don't want people walking in on a Monday morning and becoming, you know, be disappointed that they can't they can't
get service, you see. So, we have to >> maybe we could how we advertise this. >> Yeah. We could at least knowing that Colleen's going to be gone these four days that are coming up over the next
month. >> We could put that out right away saying that's what it is and >> and hopefully the word will get around town. Colleen, do you have access to the website so you can modify the website or
who? I I don't but the uh I'd have to send the request over to the assistant town administrator to put on they'll put it on the website. >> Okay. >> If we ask Yeah. >> Yeah. But we can't blindside the population. We have to give them a heads
up as to >> Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. >> Um Colleen, on on a normal day, let's make the 10 you have to go to the dentist and you're out. Um, do you guys in the office, different
offices kind of um, not do the other person's job, but if someone says, "Hey, the tax collector is not here or the assessor's not here," whatever. >> Yeah. >> You guys say, "No, so and so had to leave. Um, I can take a note and have her call you when she gets back." We do
that anyway. Right. >> We We do that all the time. we take in like we'll have an envelope uh for say the assessor's office is closed, we'll have an envelope and if someone comes in to drop off their paperwork or whatever, we'll we'll uh
put it in the envelope for her or the collector or the town clerk, I'll do that for for them and they do that for me when I'm out. Um Yeah. Yep. We do that. >> Okay. So, it's not it's not as if people are just going to be wandering the
hallway. Um, and >> no, no, not at all. They'll say, "Okay, I have a sign up." Usually, I have a sign up and then they'll >> they'll say, "Hey, if you you have a note to leave, a message, uh, paperwork,
whatever, they'll they'll take it in." Um, okay. >> I think taking what what Lee what you're saying and what Bill is saying that there's for sure there's a a thing
that going one step further from what you just said, Lee, it's one thing to say, "Oh, yeah, we all get vacations." It's a different thing when you tell the office, "Oh, no, Colleen, it's not a
vacation anymore. Colleen's changing her hours and every other Monday and Tuesday, they're not going to she's not going to be here." Mhm. >> And and for Colleen to talk to the people in that office and say, you know, what do I have to do to make it so we
don't put an extra load on those people, >> saying, "Wait a second, we didn't sign up for this." >> And and the other going to what Bill's saying, >> do we get something?
Do do we say something at at the very beginning? We let people know that the office is going to be closed on Monday and Tuesday of this week and Monday and Tuesday of that week. At what point do we tell the town that gee, it worked out
well enough. Maybe maybe we we do it in a the step that Colleen is in fact doing that she tells people, gee, it's going to be closed this and this and then we come back to the town and say,
you know, we tried it out. It worked. It worked well. Colleen can be talking to the the people in the offices and say, "How did this work out? What problems do we have?" And then we we if we choose to go forward then we let the town know we
you know we did try it and we made these adjustments and uh and so we let we as you the two the two of you guys just brought up two different things that are really valid is that one is the
the people that Colleen touches immediately every Okay. How do they handle it and what has to be done to fix that? And then the town's people that we touch only as as needed and see how that happens.
So, we actually do use this this little trial period >> to let people know what's what's going on and and see what kind of problems we cause. >> Yeah. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah.
>> I think so. Yeah. So, so that's a worthwhile discussion. So, Colleen, you're it sounds like this next communication step is a is is that your responsibility just to talk to your your
close cohorts and and and >> and see what we have to do to make it so their life is not crazy. Maybe they say we don't want to hear that phone ringing. It's crazy when you do that. Maybe we have to
do something different. But but anyways, we're and once it starts after the first week or and they say, "Wow, that we never knew this problem was going to occur >> and we have to adjust again." Mhm. >> But then for sure so that the town's
people know it's it's coming to let the what we're planning to do get out onto the the internet like Bill is talking about so people aren't surprised and say nuts I took time off from work to be here on on that Tuesday when you're not
here. >> And then maybe leave a sign on the door too >> or on our office or whatever. >> Sure. That's what I That's what I typically do along with my email note and >> the phone message. >> Yeah. >> Note on the
>> my plexiglass. >> Excellent. >> Okay. So it's well thought out. Yeah. [Music] >> Okay. Sorry. >> That's okay. The next one is the it's
interesting our our thought about the ADU rental units with backup power and it's uh Colleen did some work and it sounds like nobody
in the surrounding towns that she found was requiring backup power and uh it It's very interesting what Tom Quinnland just I don't know if Bill and
Lee you read what Colleen just sent out and Tom Quinnland saying that you can't put special requirements on the AD units
without I I forgot what he said how meeting approval Colleen >> uh a bylaw that goes through the um attorney general's office because he took some uh he had some meeting or attended some meeting about this.
>> So he knew and he happened to come into the office. So I I was talking to him today about it. It's interesting that that it looked like it was especially
headed towards power which which is I'll bet if the board of health said no we're not talking about power we're talking about
you have to have water and sewage You have to have that that's required to to rent the place which would be >> I think different >> there's a interesting article in the Sunday Globe they have a big
article on 105 CMR410 the housing code which I thought was really kind of interesting and ironic that it showed up but they had this huge article on rental properties on the Globe Sunday >> really >> and it did you're Right. You need sewage. You need
They talked about the square footage for rentals and the fact that you need electricity and heat and and ventilation, the normal things we talk about, but it was highlighted in the Globe on Sunday. >> It seems it seems hard to believe that
>> that the attorney general would have to give somebody a town permission to require that you have sewage. >> No, no. I think that's embedded in in 105 CMR410 >> that's embedded in there. If if you look
at the housing code, >> you have to provide sewage. Yeah, that's you don't need to I think what Tom meant was we'd have to go to the AG and town meeting and and do a bylaw if we were going to do something more severe than
the state minimum standards. >> Yeah, I think that's what he was meaning. >> That's what I think. >> And I think Yeah, I think the backup power provision is more severe because think about it. Most most people in town unless they have battery backup or generators, they don't have they don't
have uh reserve power, >> right? >> So, they can all they can all say, "Oh, yeah. Well, we can do it. We've got some little thing a way to get heat or we can put blankets on and stuff." But that's not the same as the health issues of
drinking and and pooping. Those are those are different. So, so anyways, we didn't we're moving moving along, but we don't have a what
are we going to do with this? Are we going to give it more thought? What are we what are we thinking here? Well, based on what Tom seems to be suggesting is we may as well just table it for now because I don't think we
really have a do we really want to go through town meeting and put something together that's more severe than the state code at this point in time. The answer is probably >> probably no. No, but but what I my question would be do you
do you say okay we're not going to go more severe. What we're going to just say is that for for most if you think about it for most towns in the state they don't have an issue with that. If you look at Holio or Springfield, you've
got you can get a drink of water and you can flush your toilet. >> Mhm. And so I would be I certainly would be in a a position that would support something
that says, you know, you should the people in our town should at least have the same amount of of health protection as the city does, that they can they can get water and they can
flush their toilets. I'm guessing the the person that would build an ADU, let's consider them to be a developer. So, they're a developer, real estate developer. They would probably take offense to us requiring that we put emergency power and other
amenities in for their ADU rental than other folks in town that do not have that luxury. So, essentially, they feel they're being penalized for having an ADU. That's essentially the way What if you didn't do it that way? What if you
said that when you take money from anybody for housing? >> Mhm. >> You have to provide them at a minimum with water and sewage. Anybody. Not just ADU. Anybody.
>> Well, again, that's that's embedded in that's embedded in the housing code. That's already established in the housing code, >> right? But if it's in the housing code, are we then going to get into a spot where we have to try to convince uh
um Alan Katawitz that every house he builds has to have a uh uh Generrack system installed? >> Well, because it's your own house, >> right? But like what Dick said, if it's a forprofit if it's a forprofit rental,
>> that is if Yeah. someone's a developer and they're renting out their property as a real estate business transaction, then they would be required to go one step above. >> That's what Dick's saying.
>> Should we Okay. Should we be presenting this to um uh town council to go forward and see
um if he's going to support our efforts to bring this thing forward? >> Yeah. you know, we could get it put on the docket for the next annual town meeting added as a uh an amendment. And I'm guessing that would we could get
enough votes to get this to pass. What would this require, Dick? Super majority or just a simple majority at town meeting? My question if if you look at it as a a health issue
>> that that what someone would if it it really is they can't rent it for normal circumstances if you don't
have water and and sewage you can't rent it anyway. The question would be, are we within our right from a health standpoint to say we're going to
regulate that that you have to have that even if there's a power failure. >> Board of Health has pretty broad powers and I'm guessing we would probably win that argument if it went to court. I if you want I can get in touch with with
Brian and see what he thinks. >> Yeah, talk to Brian >> and and we could find out how far just, you know, just because Tom said that to us, we we don't know what the state law really means. It's just Tom's
interpretation of what someone told him, >> right? And and again, this is brand new. These are brand new regulations and there's always room for reinterpretation. So, let's let's talk to uh >> I can give I can give him a call. >> Yeah. And then he can talk to the AG's
office himself. It's fine. >> Sure. >> Okay. got Oh, I I had an assignment that that uh that I talked to to Cammy Martin and I talked to her actually I talked to
her about three things. I talked to her about uh trash pickup. >> Oh, okay. and and two issues on on Chin Lane trash pickup.
She was tickled pink to have the board of health want to be involved with her and get it because she's going out her request for proposal and she doesn't know where she where she's headed and she's just blindly not blindly but but
starting off by saying, "Hey, the contract is is up and let's see what happens if we try to extend it." And so, but she expects it to be expensive and expects to be problems. And I told her that that we've been around for a while
as a group of three people and that we we knew what it was like when it was bad and we and that an an incomplete or ineffective trash program very rapidly turns it from
a from a financial issue in the town to a health issue to for the board of health. and she understood that and she actually was surprised that the trash pickup was part of the selectman's job and and I explained to her that that it
actually trash didn't used to be but once it became a big financial issue then the selectmen being the kind of the head financial group were the ones that that handled it and uh I told her about
assigning landfills and but But anyway, Steve said, "Boy, it looks like a big problem." And that she absolutely welcomes anybody that wants to to help out with it, and she will absolutely have us fully involved.
>> Good. Well, I'm I'm going to talk to her at some point about it as well, Dick. That's great. Excellent. Good. >> So, that's it. the the second one was on Diane Perthy and as it turns out I also actually gave
uh Dave Gasperia a call today that that uh at our last meeting Diane Percy said that she tried to get stuff done through Chris Martin on using that revolving fund and didn't get any place
and Tammy didn't understand that fund didn't know what the number was of the account. She really didn't know anything about it and she asked that that we get involved if we could and see if Colleen could could help and at least get the
account number to see what was going on. And Colleen did find out >> and she sent it to Tammy and I will get back in touch with Tammy to see how we move forward with it. The other that I
talked to her about was that that uh Dave Gasperi we expected was going to have to use one that the second pipe that was supposed to be installed on Kin Lane that didn't get installed
and that I asked Tammy if if if I could actually have permission to talk to to Dave D. Roer about how we get a second pipe installed and and Tammy said, "Absolutely." He said, "I don't I
I've got enough problems to be dealing with that worrying about a little pipe on the side of the road is not a is not a high on her list." So, I talked to Dave and Dave's concern, he had two concerns.
One is that the the second pipe going to to the gas fairy house actually ends up being a much bigger job because it's got to go through another driveway around the culdeac of the
house. He said, "But that being said," he said, "because it was a quickie installation of a plastic pipe," he says, "if we go in and try to find it." He says, "Almost certainly
they're going to break the first one." >> Of course, you're going to break. That's why, Dick, I can't believe they didn't put that second pipe in. Believe that. The story that I heard is I guess >> the pipe was being provided by a
contractor for a small amount of money and he thought he had more pipe than he actually had. So the second pipe was never part of the deal. That was my understanding. >> But you're right. If they try to go to put the second pipe in, they're going to break it. So they may as well just plan
on putting two new pipes in at this point. >> Right. That's that's exactly >> what it is. you don't don't try to do but but what they've had is a different idea and when I looked on the on the the
land drawings the Gas Berry property is way bigger than the other properties down there and what Dave said is you know what why can't he as long as it's his pipe that he's got in there he put
in Dave put in a new system and it the pipe goes out like 20 ft from his house and Dave says, "You know what? If he just puts it back there 100 ft, get it far enough away so the discharge of the
pipe ends up getting far enough back to pick up the normal groundwater gradient that goes towards the brook." And he says, "So it never comes back to his house." and instead of going >> to the south, he goes to the north,
>> right? >> And what Dave told me is that his land is kind of like a peninsula. He's kind of like at the that road is kind of like at the south end of this peninsula and
that the water goes in the back of his house. Most of his water goes to the east, not to the west. He says there's a hump back in there. So >> behind Bar's house, Dick, there's a new
leechfield that went in around 2010. >> Yes. >> So he's got to be careful about the new the new leechfield. Yes. >> So he's what his plan is, he didn't seem very worried. He was going to he was going to get a pipe. He said, "I'm gonna
go to Home Depot today and I'll get a pipe, a longer pipe, and I'm just going to lay lay it on the ground and get it out further and see if I get it away from my house." He says, "I don't have since I did my job, you know, this this past summer." He says, "I haven't had
any water in my my cellar, but I told He says, "And it's rained." I said, "Yeah, Dave, we've been in a drought." That's what the problem. That's right. >> We had a couple a couple heavy rains, but mostly drought, >> right? So, so that's what he was going to do. He he didn't seem very worried.
>> So, he So, this may be going to take care of it himself. Is that right? >> That's what he's going to try to do. And he says, "I think I can make it work." >> Good. >> So, those were my the results of my three conversations. >> Good. >> So, I I still have to get back now that
Colleen found what happened with with the count numbers. I'll get back with Tammy and and give her a report back of of what we've got. >> Okay.
>> So, what are we got here? What kind of a Oh, we Yeah, we've got a thing from Bill. What kind of things have you been doing for building approvals, Bill? >> Well, we had 32 Bachelor Street. That's
Ler's old house. fellow with the deck in the back. They finally sent me a little sketch showing the leechfield. I I don't understand why they did just didn't get the original septic design. They didn't. But I gave them the green light with a proviso that they got to watch out for
their well service line coming in from the other side of the house. But their leechfield is well away from the proposed work, but they still got to watch out for their well service line. So that one's completed. the 11 Griswald. That one's completed.
Uh 415 Bachelor. Mr. Brousard. Is that his name? Colleen? That's the contractor. Joe Brousard. >> Yeah. I'm not sure. >> He called me today, Dick, about 3:00. This is the guy that's building a a
romper room on top of his the new garage that they're proposing. The the existing house is three bedrooms. this new romper room, if you will, great room, whatever you want to call it, conceivably could be used as a bedroom. So, I said,
"Listen, get your engineer to write a statement asserting that the uh proposed change in uh use or proposed change in bedroom would be okay with the existing
leechfield." and he kind of boked on that because he doesn't have access to that design. I think Colleen might have the design that you can send to him, Colleen. >> Okay. >> But, uh, he would not be opposed. And of course, he's the contractor.
>> This is not the homeowner speaking. >> The contractor says they're not opposed to upgrading their leechfield. Supposedly, Dick, it's 17 years old, the system. >> Okay. >> It's a fairly old system. So >> now that's the the one bill that Colleen
has got passed on a letter that or a an email that that came from a neighbor I think. >> Oh right. And that that n it looked like it came into the town clerk
and it it seems like the the person is and I don't know how we got a copy of it, but the person is essentially asking for a list of all approved permits and designs and and anything that's being
done to stop his property from being flooded. I think that's what it said, didn't it, Connie? >> Yes. He wanted to see all the plans or any permits. So, uh Tom did send him those plans. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, he he sent him what he was, you know, asking for as far as the the new plan so he could see what they were doing. >> Who was the person asking for the information, Colleen? >> I think it was next door at 413 Bachelor. >> Okay. So they did they do it under a
freedom of information act request? >> Uh yes they sent it to the town clerk and they said I am requesting >> okay >> any permits and things and it basically was for Tom. So then Tom did send it. It's just we were copied on all of it. >> Okay.
>> So but we don't have any we don't have any permits or requests for permits. So we don't have to send anything. >> Right. We don't have >> but I think the only thing that's outstanding on our end is we need a letter from an engineer or sanitarian asserting that this new room will not
adversely affect the septic system. >> Okay. >> It's a pretty big addition though. It's a good addition, Dick. It's a big garage and a big room up top. >> Huh. What else do we
What other things do we have, Colleen, that that have come in? Um, I think that's about it. Unless Were you talking about the the bake sales or >> Oh, we didn't do that.
>> We t We started to, but then I think I interrupted you. We didn't that Nen has got at least a note back saying that and from from Lynn saying that they're that the people
that are involved with the with the Church of Christ aren't happy that we're saying that that the food has to be prepared in a in a safe kitchen or uninfected kitchen.
And uh Len Lynn actually came back with something that that apparently is a is a state allowed thing that Colleen I'm going to try to paraphrase what what
I think she said is that if the food is a non-hazardous food it can be prepared in a or a nonp potentially hazardous food. It could be com prepared in a noninspected
kitchen. However, the when it's being offered for sale, they have to have a notice saying that the food was made in a kitchen that is not routinely inspected by the town or
state. >> Yes. And it's also um for sale or service at a function such as a religious or charitable organization bake sale. Uh so yep, no permit is required as long as those two
conditions. Uh the food is not hazardous, you know. Um so bake sale stuff, cookies, brownies, >> cookies, banana, but but no custard obviously. No custard, nothing with cream, nothing that has to be refrigerated, that type of thing. But
you have to have a visible placard there saying it was prepared in a kitchen, a kitchen that is not subject to regulation and inspection by the regulatory authority. So, >> well, there's actually a couple
different things. One is it's got to be use it as a baked kind of sale. So that's I wonder what that means. Does that mean that that that
Let's I'm going to put it in a funny way. >> So they're baked. >> Let's say there is a chicken. >> Yeah. There is a chicken barbecue supper being held or a takeout, whatever.
There's a sign someplace that says we have a chicken barbecue takeout at the church or something. >> Yeah. But >> that's no good, Dick, because chicken is a hazardous food if it's under
>> Right. So, so now we we say okay, so the chicken all the stuff associated with that chicken can't sit this way. However, at the same place, let's say they have a table
that's got brownies and cakes and pies. And now, now the event isn't a bake sale, but the table where this is is kind of a bake sale.
So, so do we do we say, "Okay, guys, you have to keep this stuff separate and have that other table just be labeled." But you can't be you can't be
mixing a plate of chicken so that the chicken spatter can go into the brownies and someone takes the brownies away. >> Right. That doesn't seem that if that's what we're saying, it doesn't seem like a
hard thing to manage. >> Yes. Specifically, Colleen, what were they upset about? >> Uh, well, that bake sales can't go on, you know, how they always have,
you know, gone on like a bake sale at a school or whatnot. They don't want to have to make their food in a licensed kitchen when people have always typically for a bake sale they've been making their items in. >> Yeah. So I'm guess I'm guessing a lot of
the the the parishioners or churchgoing folks bring stuff from their own home to celebrate sales. >> Yes. Exactly. Exactly. That's right. Well, so when when Lynn suggested that
there's a list or whatever term she used, um, how do we find out what that is? or is she going to present it to the church and tell I mean if it's
brownies, chocolate chip cookies, uh things like this, um are they a no concern food item? Um and are we are we entering a war that we are not going to win?
Um or none of the above. I mean, obviously the peanut allergy thing is fresh in her mind because of Cindy's. Uh, but if Lynn has got some information that this type of a bake sale uh
doesn't get people into trouble, I I'm not sure which direction we should be going in here to to keep everybody safe and keep the church happy. I get the I get the habit of I've always
made my cookies at home. I understand that part and they might be upset about having to bring their ingredients into the kitchen and cook under supervision which may be insulting to them. They're
looking at the wrong way. Uh it's old habits die hard. You know, the other thing though with the serve safe is if if they put banana bread with nuts in it, how do they convey to the potential buyer that there may be nuts in the
banana bread, which is typical? Well, I think >> Yeah, >> I I think part of your your label, if we're going to do that, is to to say that that people that we
start off saying to get to these list of things, we just call it nonp potentially hazardous foods and then we probably won't be perfect, but as as Bill says, it's it's easy to say, custard is one of
And yeah, there'll be some others that slip through, but we'll probably get, you know, 80 90% of the stuff we catch. But then as part of the label maybe we do ex exactly bill to get what you're
talking about is that label has to say these are not we just tell them on the table say this food isn't prepared in an inspected kitchen and they are not allergy safe. They just have to say
right on the thing that whether they are allergy safe or not. You just say they're not >> right >> and then you you don't worry about it. Then you say it's it wasn't then whoever buys it knows it wasn't made in a
So we we just get it that way. We say it's non it's a nonp potentially hazardous and then it has to be labeled at those two things. And then kind of everybody does what they used to do except when if someone
says, "Yeah, but my my favorite thing was to make New England clam chowder." Well, that doesn't fly. So, um, going backwards just a little bit here
to the that Dino festival they had where there were some um, vendors who simply showed up in or chose not to
uh, follow the rules of engagement. So, at this point in um in this type of environment, is Lynn anticipated to stop by these
events on the weekend no matter what? Or um I don't know how we how we define what she should or shouldn't be doing with these type of things. It's a bake sale with cookies and brownies, then probably
no one cares. If it's some type of custard, clam chowder, chicken, it's a problem eventually. >> Well, generally she'll go out if they were they've applied for a temporary one-day permit for an event. She goes
out on the day of the event to issue the permit to them, the license. >> Okay. And so when she's there, she'll do a quick walk through and make sure everything's >> Yeah, that's how she right that's how she was um last or saw at the Dino Fest
that the other food booths were there >> because she was issuing a permit for the church's food table >> and she saw the other people there. >> Well, we did. >> So the first
>> the same rule applies then. Yes, the first round through we can let Colleen know that they said look at this is the the thing we're doing with the bake at home stuff so
that nonhazardous with the sign that says not allergy safe and made in an uninspected kitchen that gets that. So Len will see if that's there. The next thing she's going to do, and Colleen will also say, is you can't let vendors
come in here that aren't licensed to be in, and it's your responsibility. My guess is Lee is you're you're gonna say what's going to happen when Lee Lynn shows up the first time and it's it's >> or the first time she shows up and
they're violating. I was thinking my feeling would be that's the time that we don't make such a horrible stink and get everybody all cranked up is Lynn just says this is what happened. I told the people they're not supposed to be
doing it. They didn't send the people home and then we get in touch with the whoever at the license and say look it guys this is what's happening. If you don't give us a plan for how you're going to deal with this, we're not going to give you one of those licenses again.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's how I would handle it. Otherwise, Otherwise, it's going to blow up in our face, >> right? Yeah. We got to be >> Well, dragging people uh by the heels um off of Tom Common probably is not going to end well.
>> No, it's not gonna. And so so my goal, my goal would be to be instead of us being the bad guys, what we should be trying to do is make people who have the license be the ones that are accountable
for enforcing the rules. >> Yep. Yep. >> Then we don't have then the problem we never have a problem because they make sure we don't have a problem, >> right? >> Yeah. That makes perfect sense. >> But it's imperative that Lynn go down
there and and check check these situations out. >> Yeah. But I fully expect that we're going to end up that that we're going to say, "Uh oh, this didn't work right." And try to tell people, "Hey, this didn't work right. Let's how are we
going to do this better? We don't want to because ultimately I don't think the the people running the event don't want to be in trouble with the board of health and the board of health doesn't want to be in trouble with them. >> Exactly. Yeah.
>> All right. So, I'll let the churches know about the bake sales. >> That bake sale item. >> The items. Bake sale items. Yeah. >> Okay. Oh. We have some here. We have a guest.
>> We do have a guest. >> George. >> George. >> George. >> Fen. >> You just jumped in just as we're ready to all go to bed for the night. >> What can we help you with? >> I'm sorry to sorry to keep you up. Um,
yes. My name is George Fen. Uh, good evening to you all. Um, I'm here on behalf of uh of our company, Local Power, um, which is up in Williamsburg to your north a couple uh, a couple minutes.
And, um, we're working on a waste project to deal with both municipal solid waste and then sewage. And so, we're just currently going around to different towns
and wondering if you would be interested in um having a presentation to go into our solution which briefly is to divert uh waste from the current sources which are often incineration or landfilling
often distant places um to building a paralysis um facility uh which would be located in western Massachusetts and probably um supply or serve a few municipalities
there. It's a kind of a side it's a it's a adjustable size uh technology um but that we think would be a a much better solution in terms of ecology uh climate um uh pollution and then would
introduce some price competitiveness. Um I know that you are served by waste management. they manage your and you they they give you curbside pickup so you don't have as as much of a connection to your waste as as some other towns in the area. Um but that
that would would still work for us. Um if you'd be interested to learn more that's my main question. >> Just a quick question George. So your proposed solution so you're the end you're the end disposal arena if you will. You're you're not the hauler. You're not operating as the hauler and
the and you and source if you will. You're just the end the endg game. >> Correct. We we would be an alternative >> concept, Dick. The problem is we'd still have to hire a hauler to pick up the trash to bring it to these folks. >> Well, the idea would be to to not
interfere with your systems at all. So, we would just deal with waste management, if I'm correct understanding, and would see if we could get them to send your waste um instead of wherever they're sending it to send it to us.
I think I think you're here at a really good time. uh the because the town is had you been listening earlier to us. One of my assignments
over the last two weeks was to talk to our town manager about the new waste proposal that's coming up for negotiation in the town right now.
>> So So you're being here is actually a a really good time to be here. >> Oh wow. >> Great. Perfect. >> I from my own standpoint learning about
something is how long a proposal a at least not a proposal but presentation. >> How long a presentation would you be looking at? >> Maybe 15 minutes. could be a bit longer, get shorter.
My Lee and Bill, my feeling would be that that we do listen to this and that we invite Tammy and ask her if she wants to invite the select board to listen and
then, you know, tune in and hear the same thing and ask the questions that we have to we have to be very careful, George, what we talk about right now. This is a this is a a big a big issue that's not on our agenda. So it's it's
going very far with this discussion is definitely an open meeting law violation. >> So we can't we can't do that. >> Be available in two weeks at the same time. >> I would be. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. Dick, why don't we schedule George and you can talk to Tammy and
some of the others and we can have other folks available to to view. >> Yeah. Let's have Let's have Colleen look at our our schedule. We certainly I I'm not interested in having you talk to us
at 9:00 two weeks from now. I we'll get you at a a time that's that's earlier and get it so that we can we can actually if we if we do this right, we can get more people listening to you. and u on this format that we're in. I I
think I think what our rental agreement for this space is we can have like a hundred people here. So So uh space shouldn't be an issue. >> And uh that I think it's a it's a worthwhile
>> Yeah, >> it's a worthwhile thing. And we've got a long history of we we own Well, we didn't own it. We the that a landfill existed in this town for a long time. >> Post community host community,
>> right? And then Dick, we almost had an incinerator come in here back in the 1980s. We have a long history with landfills and other land and other waste management solutions. So, >> I'm sure we'll have a lot to talk about. >> Okay.
>> So, it's a it's a it is a a worthwhile uh discussion to have. So, why don't you why don't you deal with with uh Colleen, come up with a a good a good time. >> Um, we should do it. We should plan on
it on the next meetings as I'm our schedule is kind of screwed up for the for the next few weeks after that. I'm I'm going to be gone for the better part of three weeks and so, >> okay, >> our normal schedule is going to be messed up. So, so if we missed this one,
it moved out. It's like two months later. >> Okay. >> Call the health department office if you would and I'll get your contact information. >> Health department office. All right. I'll do that. >> That is 413. >> Yeah.
>> 413467. >> 4134671 >> 4174 >> 7174. All right, I'll do that. >> And you want to talk to Colleen? Okay, call. >> He's our partner. That's our partner that you can see. >> Great.
>> Great. >> Nice to meet you, George. Thank you. >> Nice to meet you as well. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thanks for dropping by. >> My pleasure. Have a nice night. >> That's interesting. >> You too. >> Okay. Okay.
>> So, the benefit there's another there is certainly a benefit for having this kind of meeting. >> Yes. Yeah, >> definitely. >> Okay, it's 8:52, sir. >> Okay, so
>> so it's time to go to bed, huh? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Well done, everybody. Thank you so much. >> Good night, everybody. >> Good night. >> Good night, folks. Thank you. Thank you.