[Music] okay so we are we are now recording so we're our goal this week or this session
was to go over what colen had labeled as as AG seven and of the septic regulation and you guys please will bear with me the computer I'm in my recliner and the
computer's on my lap it's probably going to jump around and hopefully I last but as I went through this thing it I thought almost all of these rules could be just taken out but if we if we just go through them Bill and Lee you have
the the SE yeah this it's this one here Colleen yes number yes okay okay so the the first one just number one say besides those specified here all other system
particulars shall be shall at least conform the state minimums I don't know why it even says that but because that's what the well well that's a that's a given but that's okay nothing wrong with that that again this was written in 76
dick you were on article 11 then the next is number two is the one that says it it's a $10 for repair but it a c charge for disposal works
construction permit shall be $10 for repair do we do we want to either take it out or just say there will be a fee charge for disposal work construction permit that set that's set by the gry Board of
Health I either would be fine you know that's a given if you if you want to be uh if we want to be um Superfluous we can we can leave it in there but if you take it out I think it's a given that people will will have to pay for the
dwcp so either way is fine well do we want to Lee what is your thought we could do number three is the same thing as charge for a new system which is I'm not sure how that's different from number two but maybe you just leave the two of
those things out since everybody charges them anyways it's under fees not under Title Five yeah I i' take those out take those out make it simple make it simple as possible that's take two out all right is one coming out did you say or that's leaving we'll leave number one
there but number two and three go okay two and the one under okay uh the following is this next one is just a statement that the following may be waved by the grany Board of Health on hair
installation I'm I'm not sure whether you want to keep it where you want to keep it there it shouldn't be on repair installation it should be on repair
installations if you're going to keep it but maybe it belongs at the end maybe we just come back to that one because maybe we're going to throw all of these away yeah again the state allows on the state will allow a septic tank to go 50 feet
from a well right and again if you're if you're doing this on a repair well again that's that's being very very conservative that's what we said it said
it may be waved by the gramby Board of Health it's the thing that allows us to say these rules don't fit on this particular repair that's what the purpose of that one was but it may be that you put it at the
very end instead of right at this point all right let's let's go like you say let's go back to three at the end okay I'll put a question Mar there now some of these the words are not right but it said no septic tank leaching
Fields SE pit Cesspool or privy may be constructed within 100 fet of any well but if you look through that it doesn't talk about the first thing it doesn't include
pump Chambers on that list the other is it just says constructed it doesn't say constructed or installed and it doesn't Define any wealth you know you could have that we
currently when we talk about wealth we call call it portable water well so what do we think about about this like you said it could be it could be a horse well it could be
a irrigation well my feeling is you if we're g to keep it we should call it a pump chamber add pump chamber in there so it includes that yeah and then change well to pable
water well that that's fine that's fine yeah yeah number four is no well may be installed within 100 fet of any septic tank leaching Feld septic fit cess pool of
privy and that would also if they're going to keep that so one says you can't put the system within 100t of Wells the other says you can't put the well within 100 fet of the system now question I have on this one is
that title five doesn't cover installation of Wells so does this belong here at all or what or in the well permit section actually I think Title 5 added it in
2014 but let me do a quick check here standby Gonna Keep it while you're looking pH we're gonna keep it okay yeah yeah keep yeah keep keep it need to have in a well has to be changed to
portable water well then we would have to include the pump chamber also on the list keep it we can make the changes and and keep it Bill and just come back to it yeah yeah we'll do
that I'm not finding it immediately okay the next one is no system now this is a a change in format of what we're calling that list of things we've
defined as above as a system but if there's no system Maybe be installed within 100 ft of the mean high water line of any course water course such as Pond Lake
swamp Brooks River or open or subsurface drain now we should understand we have't defined system
there and once we also include or an open or subsurface drain 100 feet of that we definitely don't do
that that would be saying if you're near a Swale you couldn't get it within 100 feet of a sale yeah that that that's that's too restrictive this is definitely in your world bill yeah this is this is the one
that that we often you saying you can't go within 100 feet of a wetland see what I'm concerned also about this is maybe maybe we just call
this as a 100 feet of a jurisdictional wetland or something just call it at that yeah I would just I would be very vague in the way you word it and then just deflect it to the
Conservation Commission and the conservation can take care of it is is what is the word for your to to make it the difference between a
non-identified frog pond that dries up and a a regular Wetland pill what are what is the difference between those in your I think I think the word jurisdictional covers it because there are certain there are certain isolated Wetlands that
do not count okay if the if the Wetland is connected to a stream through over Overland flow or even subsurface flow is jurisdictional but if it's isolated and not hydraulically connected to anything then
it's it's it's a non-issue so again I think the word jurisdictional is the word to use there so we'll we'll just call it to the mean high water is that where you call it the me actually what you what you what you should do is say
jurisdictional per 310 CMR 10.0 so just refer to the Wetland regulation okay yeah thef way to do it but system should be also it doesn't
even say a septic system that and it doesn't say any part of a septic system but so maybe instead of system we put this same list of septic tank leeching field septic pit Lee field pump chamber
privy put that same list there so they're all the always the same now I'm looking at dick right now I'm looking at uh 15.21 which are your minimum setbacks and it has a minimum setback
from a bordering vegetated [Music] Wetland and wetlands bordering a well surface water supply that we don't have surface water supplies in town we don't have Tri tributaries to surface water supplies in town but we do have bvws and
we do have surface waters so it says bordering vegetated Wetland including salt marshes Inland and Coastal Banks we're Inland so it's got the SAS is 50 feet and the stetic tank is only 25 feet
so if you want to bump that up to 100 feet that would be fine well that's what we've had as a 100 for all of that so and if we if we call this as a jurisdictional wetland which could be different than
a bordered vegetative Wetland well again I would refer to the I would refer to the Wetland regulation 310 cmr1 that's the safest way to do that okay
and a is no system may be installed within 50 ft of a storm drain or man-made drain is okay here's what here's what tile five says on that dick it says open
surface or subsurface drains which discharge the surface water supplies well that one's out number two open surface or subsurface drains excluding Foundation drains which inter intercept seasonal
high high groundwater tables okay there's your curtain drains so your curtain drain is a 50 foot offset from the SAS 25 ft from a septic tank or a pump chamber okay item three other open surface or subsurface drains excluding
Foundation drains 5 feet from a septic tank 10 feet from an sas mro yeah 10 feet wow so again if you want to be more
restrictive on that I would support that 10 Fe yeah Lee what are you thinking um I'm thinking that if we just took those regulations and put them right into
ours um what bill just took off the website we could plug it right in and have right from the state code no we won't need to do that because it's a state code this one what bill is talking about is instead of letting that
five foot and 10 foot be there that you do take those those words that they have and put 50 ft right 50 ft in in place of the five and 10 right yeah yeah we're going to be more restricted
okay well that's what then that's what we'll do colen we'll take that out of Title Five will use their words right number six is something we absolutely don't have anymore and it says no septic system shall be
constructed to serve more than one building place of business or dwelling in the this shall pertain to but not limited to stores restaurants factories garages Farms warehouses single family
houses apartment units multiple Family House units and condominium units that's just absolutely not what we do we just follow title five so I recommend we delete six yeah
what do you think I think so too what do you think Le so that being said and I I I follow where we're head in here um how does that tie in or not with this
new regulation that you can put on a miniature um house or living dwelling on your property currently that's going to show up as another set of these regulations le as
we get down get off of this group we're going to find these other ones that that we have Okay so delete six out and just forget about it okay yeah and it it's going to come back as a different
thing okay okay seven so that's is all sewage containing vessels or pipes located less than four feet above the water table they be sealed and tested to prevent infiltration or Fusion I that's
another one that that I don't I don't think we need and the other is for sure where we said and be tested we're not defining what testing means and what
is preventions and effusions is that they have zero I you know I just think that that title five says these all these systems should have their pipes all the tops of the tanks should be glued to the
bottoms and the pipes be sealed yeah that's a very vague specification if if it ever went to court the attorney on the other side would destroy this yeah I think it doesn't belong there I think we take it out I agree okaye what do you
think yeah we're gonna delete seven as well as six yep yeah the next one is all system servicing of building dwelling Etc containing a food preparation area shall be size to handle a garbage dispos
and I looked at that I said that's crazy every house has a food preparation area and that we don't have any that we never no one puts in a a garbage disposal because Title 5 already specifies what it
requires I don't think this one belongs there either I agree let's take it out okay I'll delete that as well next one I I have written down the tile five covers this one but let's say disposal
Fields the seepage fit shall not be constructed in areas where the groundwater elevation or impervious material is less than four feet below the bottom of the disposal field regardless of percolation test I know
exactly what that one was for that's article 11 that allowed 2 minute an inch soil to have a twoot separation between Rock and water oh okay and that's what this one
was to stop having so that this is already covered on Title Five okay so that should go then unless you unless you dealt with article 11 you'd never know
that 10 still may not be added to raise the disposal field above impervious material that one already is in Title Five is covered it says you have to have four feet of naturally uh occurring pervious
material so this was and I don't know whether I think article 11 had that but it this one also I think doesn't belong there it's covered under title five you got my about the deer tracks out
there going Jo and Lee what do you think am I still uh certainly since 55 covers it there's no point in uh leaving it in yeah it's not more
restrictive yeah take so take it out then so 10 goes out yeah 11 is percolation tests and groundwater elevation determin determination shall be made only during the months of March
and April and not in frozen ground that we've changed it to allow the perk test to go but it we currently do have uh article I mean number 11 does is one of ours that groundwater elevation
determinations they'll be made only during the months of March and April and not in frozen ground and and we're keeping that obviously yeah okay yep one I've got I think it's I've got
an extra this 12 is pH shall be such quality that its peration rate is 2 minutes per inch or faster that's all that's covered in the title five specifies Bill
quality so it doesn't belong here it's not more restricted okay so we're going to delete 12 disar all right I think this whole group we may find it all covered under title five
number 13 is with fill is required for the system installation suitable permanent Benchmark shall be established and the system installed from this the next is the area for the alternate that's not part of title the next part
is so so the first one is suitable permanent Benchmark shall be established in the system installed from this now that is in title five as part of the design stand B the area for the
alternate Disposal Systems shall be prepared for or constructed that we have for a regulation we do it all the time that when people come in and say oh I'll put just just the minimum fill I need but I
leave a big monster hole and and it doesn't really exist it's just a big space and we make them put the fill in well you know dick I'm thinking let's let's think that one through how many people
and again let's not let's not consider the uh Reserve between the trenches let's let's pretend people are putting in a trench system and then putting the reserve elsewhere in the property okay how many people use the that reserve the
new the reserve area how many people actually use that for their first repair I don't know that probably not what this although what this regulation does is it almost guarantees everybody puts
in a Trent system with Reserve in between right because I think it's given the fact that Phil is now 30 to $35 a yard I'm thinking that there's a lot of money to put in a
secondary fil embankment so I'm I'm thinking we we got to be careful about that one because that's that's pretty costly for people particularly if they're never going to use it well especially you can also argue in
your direction so to say Title 5 is changing with all these Innovative systems right and you go and put in all this stuff for a design now that's never Design's never going to be installed right
right so do you like the fact that we're going to end up with I'm just asking I'm not the result will be that that people will
install six foot space trenches now instead of 9 foot fa trenches are you happy with that the outcome well what's the code it's three times the effective width or or three
times the width of the the system correct yeah it turn it's either two or three let me let me it's two or three that and the way it's written funny build but what it means is that if you've got three foot frenes you need
nine feet of space between the the insides of the trenes you're using so you can that's right stick a three foot trench in there and if you if you're not you need six feet
right well what we could do why don't we just make a local reg that says we need three times the with let me let me read this let's see let's just see what it says here in the code here I'm just scrolling through this
here let's see let's see this was really the purpose of this bill was to stop from from beds to go in but as long as we've got a regulation that says we're going to follow what
title five says about using beds whenever I mean trenches whenever they're possible then it already gets rid of the reason for this oh here his reserve area let me read this okay here it is trenches okay minimum separation
distance between any two trenches shall be two times the effective width or depth of the trench whichever is greater two times that's that's assuming that the the reserve isn't in between once you go further find Reserve in between then it
goes to three times right that's right that's right you know we're already at we're already at at the 7:15 we're gonna have to stop yeah why don't we why don't we table that one and come back to that one next
week okay okay regarding the three time width yeah yeah that's good that'll give us a little time to research this a little bit more but we've covered a lot today so that's good okay very good next we're going to go Allan is here but we
let's go if we can quickly through the septic system and uh it turns out that that uh Allen's our second let I'll read Allen first ah let's let Allen hang in first
one is Neil Jackson 11 Taylor Street is a repair an sas replacement only I think this is John Baker's house uh on Taylor Street as you first go in just before the road into D Frame
the five bedroom house correct the fee is is paid the review is complete it's mostly cleared grassy three and a half lot deep Sands with shallow to ledge the ledge comes up towards Taylor Street um
and it's got water table in the low area but deeper Sands Rising towards the the West that comes up 64 inch and 70 inch water table not Westlands the issues of the water table the rising back uh Bedrock headed to the West the design is
reusing the existing single uh compartment 1500 gallon tank without an outlet filter an new 43t by 50t by 9 in effective sidewalk
trenches not vented 666 gallons a day capacity provided 660 gallons required fill is required here Reserve area is not provided 5 foot water table
separation is provided ballast is not required uh looks like I have that twice the septic tank and SAS separation to other wells in Wetlands is more than 100 ft but I've got listed to discuss that
trench permit needed and fillet required what what do we have for issues here actually what Neil did is is he had the system move for further to the West so it was PO on to the the ledge and he he
made the The Trenches longer and got rid of the nin foot separation went to six foot and he got it right over the the a good stand we have questions on
it um on the design uh information it's it's specking out of one compartment tank that he's not specifying he's reusing it he's not he's just replacing one component he just
replacing the SAS yeah that was replacing yeah a couple years ago it was recently replaced yeah okay so was my thought about it but since he's not touching it I don't see that we
can make him pair it out right okay the next one Phil how about you no I'm good I'm good with that dick okay next one is 73 Neil also 73 ammer Street
this is a complete system repair three-bedroom house the fee is paid the review is complete it's this is a small lot it's 100 foot wide 2600 square foot glacial till shallow to bedrock way down
on the back it's 52 in water table no Wetlands issues the small lots that shallow to ledge high water table there the the holes are right smack at the back of the lot so most most of the most
of the area of the SAS has never been looked at but there is no other place on this lot to go but it's it's going there for sure the the design is a new 1500 gallon super compartment tank with
Outlet filters there's four 42t by 3 foot by one foot effective dep uh sidewall trenches 477 gallons provided with 440 required Reserve area is provided between and
adjacent to the trenches fill is required forceful water table separation is given Bast is required the existing tank is going to be pumped crushed and filled the setic tank and SAS separation of the wells and wetlands is more than
100 fet that what I've got for uh this one didn't have a trench permit note on the drawing so that there's a trench permit required plus the notes on it uh the fill requirement and also what
I wanted to see is defs needed in areas of the first three trenches at the time of the subrip and the design may have to be modified uh but only in vertically because the SAS can't go any place so
it's it's there that's why I didn't say let's go do the holes now that it doesn't matter it just means it's going to go up in the air if there's no soil what are our thoughts on this one I also asked Neil on this one the
the well is up in the front of the property and I asked Neil to just look to to make sure that there's not a septic system right on the other side of the street that says you know we should have moved this well right now that it's
that we can't put the system here the well needs to beer so I asked Neil to do that in fact it should and I and I and I did do that and um see I'm just pulling out the paperwork um Bobby designed a new system there and
there is 100 feet okay so he has it at 70 ammer Street he he designed a system and he shows he he incorrectly marked it a 75 Amber street but it's definitely 73 okay what Lee and and Bill what are your
thoughts on this one um at this point you know good to go pending um of course the um confirmation of um of the depot I can't see anything else we can
do here Bill what's your thought no no I'm good you guys did a thorough review I'm good with that D last one is Frank su's house and this is a on 116 alard street
complete system it's a repair three-bedroom house C paid this one will the review is not complete Neil was going to look at the the SAS for me uh it's Main cleared 1.8
acre lot deep Sands with bedrocks right where the FAS is going to be right next to the entrance to the driveway they didn't find any other soil on the lot uh no water table issue and the wetlands aren around this system the issue is a
very very limited area for the SAS it's shallow to Ledge in areas of that it sloped in the area of the SAS the south end of the SAS was to Deep with the bed that he had designed and the north end of it is to near the Ed to
the ledge um and the the design is a new 1500g two compartment tank with Outlet filter and he's got a 16 by 45t beds 532 gallons a day provided for capacity
versus 440 needed no Reserve area fill as required 5 foot water table separation was was provided but it wasn't he wasn't getting it uh ballast is not required the existing tank and
Lea fit will be pump crushed and filled Pro Septic Tank and SAS separation of the wells and wetlands more than a 100 feet I was going to discuss that's one needs a print permit and a note requiring it that wasn't on there fill
requirement uh this one I I put down and I I think it was a mistake what I wrote down but it I guess it's still F de Poes needed in areas that's it's a wrong what happened is I
faed and that number three is not correct but what really is is a a question as long as Neil's right there Neil did you change the FAS at all I no I didn't get out of the field till like quarter five today so I will look at this and and hopefully bring it back
to well definitely have it ready for the next meeting okay so this one we don't Bill and Lee this will come back so we don't have to comment on next next one is is Allen Lot 10 caror Street it's a
complete system uh new four bedroom house the fees paid the reiew is complete there are mainly wood s a lot uh in the area of the SAS it's deep Sands and gravels um and he's right at the edge of
of going from some some soft pill but it goes to S and gravel down there it's the edge of of I guess at one time maybe it was even part of shas's uh Gravel Pit but it sloped down to the West the kind in the north
towards the rear we got 24 and 36 in water tables uh there are wetlands away from from this system to the southwest of the system the issue are the woods the lack of there aren't it's
you're out in six acres without many physical references it's got a good popo U the slopes the high water tables the design is new 1500 gallon two compartment septic tank with Outlet filter 2 3 foot by 63 foot by one and a
half foot effective that printers open I and read it uh with vent Paris 559 gallons a day provided versus 550 needed reserves areas provided between and adjacent to the trenches
fillers required 5 foot water table separation ballast KN required uh septic tank and SAS separation of the wells and the wetlands more than 100 fet to discuss the TR permit and I said note
required that's not true that's a that's a c taste error so TR permit is needed fill requirement uh I asked Allan that the well didn't have ties to it he's got it shown and at the new drawing Salen just
sent out as the tie added and uh also a note the the temporary Benchmark that the whole this fancy poo was done from is a an oak tree with a a pin in it and
I said an oak must be added identifying that Benchmark and protecting it so we don't lose it and Allan has done both of those do we have okay okay Bill and Lee what are your thoughts on this one
from what I'm hearing and reading everything has been um everything's been dealt with you Willis pH yeah right here D this is Cindy's oh the next one Cindy Lot 10
Carver oh it's Lot 10 okay I've got across the street from Edge shasi in fact it's just as you're headed towards beler town on that upper Plateau where at SAS house is it right as the road
goes to the right just as bags Hill is old bags Hill is in there yeah okay okay actually that one did this thing did this thing go through your your meeting already bill yeah I think this one might have to go through conservation dick
well it will anyway CU it's new that's automatic the building perent can't go but we can let's put it go through conservation yeah yeah okay so we'll that that backyard is very very
steep it's rather steep it definitely goes out into the Wetland yes it does yeah there's a Swale out there I know we were out there another job a couple of weeks ago okay very good the next one is
Cindy this is complete system repair 65 foot a 65 seat restaurant fee is paid review is complete this is a mainly grassy 5 acre lot deep sand level 36 inch water table no
Wetlands public that's a public water wealth uh issues high water table public water supply uh kitchen greef the design it's it's a big system it's the main waste that goes into 3,000 gallon single
compartment tank with a gas trop followed by the the second chamber is the second 2,000 gallon uh single compartment monolithic tank with a gas trap and filter then a 2,000 gallon pump
chamber with two pumps an automatic sequencing controls alarms and wiring per code the SAS is 4 3T by 90t by 12 in effective sidewall trenches with vents
um the pump discharge line drain back to the pump chamber and Allen called out to be insulated 1332 gallons a day capacity is provided versus 1300 needed no Reserve are is
provided still is required that the 5- foot water table separation the kitchen drains into a dedicated 2,000 gallon grease trap that discharges into the 3,000 gallon septic tank Bice is not
required for any tank all components meet Zone one well requirement separation the septic tank and SAS separation to Wells and wetlands is more than 100 fet the discusses that the the Phil PR permit fill
requirements uh well Zone one limits to be added to the drawing that's been done a component ties to to to be added to ensure that the Zone one clearances are to to the tanks the tanks are close to
the Zone one and Allan was going to show that to make sure that they kept the right separations I did I haven't talked to Allan but we really someone's got to poke a hole where those tanks are to make sure that
the water table isn't high enough to violate the 12in water table uh Slash invert separation that title five requires so someone at some point has to check
that dick I got a question okay 40 seats is did this restaurant ever have 40 seats before this is 60 65 seats it says on the on the plan it says
40 seats no it says 40 seats that is correct that's within the restaurant at this time I think it's actually something like 36 we added what we could for exterior seating as you know they have a variable schedule and
sometimes they are swamped and some and most of the time they're not yeah Al did you design at standard you know I've been I've been taking a lot of these short courses and current practice around the
country is when you design restaurants you got to be very careful because the bod of a restaurant is typically a lot more than a residence you end up having to designed for the bod for the organic loading rather than the hydraulic loading yeah I
see that a lot with rest area design yeah so you got to be very very very very the thing I like though is you put two tanks in series which is good yeah boy boy now how long did the old we have actually Four vessels here we got the
grease chamber for the kitchen we've got a large 3,000 tank and then a 2,000 tank and a 2,000 pump chamber so there's a lot of residents to okay have you thought about and I know this is a loaded question but have you thought about putting some sort of an
effluent filter on the back end before it hits the pump chamber oh no it it absolutely has one oh what model are you using it's a I usually you know commercial's commercial I usually recommend the commercial uh which one
you know Z makes about five y yep fine you know if even if we have to go to a six inch commercials able that's fine and then reduce it to a for that's fine but the key is the organic loading on res on restaurants becomes very very
critical it's more critical than so you end up having to use different loading factors that's the bottom line yeah no I'll I'll recommend a 6inch commercial on that yeah you got to be and again make it very give them risers so that they can go out and check that fil every
every month that's got to be checked very very frequently but that's that's something that I think the next revision of the code is going to address is Bod loading of non-standard uh facilities and and
restaurants are certainly one of them so with that so Allan you'll make that change yeah I added a six-inch filter commercial gr y yeah Al what what did they have for an existing system there not much and it last a long time
correct it did but I I think if you really look closely at the offsets of the water table you'll be disappointed okay right Lee and Bill are you okay with that then yeah I'm I'm good with the Proviso
that they keep a close eye on the affluent filter and fat oils and greases okay that means should we you want to put that into the um the verbage yeah colen should add that of a
maintenance schedule well I'm just wondering what are there cooking hamburgs and hot dogs in there aren't they yeah that's what I understand what I could put is a is a inspection se you know seasonal inspection yeah why don't you do that
okay because the last thing we want to do is follow this leech field you know if the filter gets fou that's good because that's telling us there's an issue with the with the waist stream and then they corrected on the front end yeah the good news is I mean they've been watching it carefully and Jeff uh
I'm sorry Josh Fugler has been right on it and um so what they've had in the past which is Sever was was really undersized I believe it was a 1500 gallon tank and thousand gallon grease trap if I'm not mistaken so this will really help the situation yeah dick dick
Frank palaz doesn't own that anymore does he no oh it it was what the is it Maloney Maloney that's correct okay because I think I think when I I was on the board in the 90s I think they did an upgrade we did
an upgrade in the 90s when Frank bought it I think yeah they put they went from a 25 gallon drum to a 55 gallon drum that's right that's right probably did yeah so oh the good news is that means
that that Neil and Neil and Allan are both done the next you okay thanks thanks Al thank you Alan the next one that I that I have although you know Alan before you leave
we're we're definitely I'll go back to your letter on Ken Lane oh sure we'll take that out of sequence but let's get this other septics done so I can get out of septic this one is on one Jennifer
Drive this is the Tim mcginness and he submitted a revised gr and I I can't review it without
direction from the board now this one if we recall was a three-bedroom house that went to a five bedroom the owner told me that he he did in fact deal with the building inspector and the building
inspector said you could go and make the changes to the house and I'm I haven't seen the paperwork but I certainly believe the owner that that he did not do this without permits from the building and end of it but what's
proposed right now is a the still not going into the old SAS s so between the SAS and the the street they're going to end up putting an Elgen
system a bed an Elgen bed not it doesn't look very big but it's an Elgen bed and they're bringing at the bottom of the Elgen to within three feet of the water tape this is 2-minute
soil so that in reality if this would have come through properly according to Title 5 what would have happened on the moving from the three-bedroom to the five-bedroom house
would have been an upgrade to the system which would have at this point if we don't give the the three- foot separation there'll be a pump but but the the title
5 upgrade would in fact if it just came through and did it it would have said meet the current Title Five conditions and get it to the five feet and put a Title Five
system in so what we have right now the the two issues that that I can't go further on is are we going to allow the variant any variant to water tables
separation and are we going to allow the the bed as compared with putting frenches in so but if it if they were just to come up right now what they would have ended
up is a five foot separation with with trenches for a five-bedroom house now the owner is told me that they're actually four bedroom and an office but one of the engineer tells me that the the office actually could it FS
the definition of a bedroom but I told the owner that that that's basically going to be a size of the SAS issue not not an issue of the the bigger issue of saying do we allow water
table separation reduction and again there's a whole bunch of good area that's available for that's occupied with the old trenches that would have in fact been used as the the alternate area it's not
being used right now so that's my question for Lee and and build are we are we going to say upgrade to the title five the way the code I believe says that we're supposed to for the upgrad in
bedroom and so one are we going to do that and if we say we're going to allow the the offset the offset in the water table to be reduced then we have to probably say well bill is going to have
to go out and look at water table again to to allow the variance to be given from the board so let's I need your help so dick if they have to raise this system a foot does that trigger a pump
chamber yeah if they if they go it looks to me that that from the drawing that the engineer gave it looks like he he can come up a little bit to get the the three
feet that he'll he'll end up he's going to need a new tank and the the tank is underneath his driveway so that's going to I think that has to be done anyway so but but he can't go very far up because his
his building seore is already near the surface so it really that's what the issue is it says do you go with an an Elgen repair concept with a three-foot
separation or do you go with the the five- foot separation that's here's the question dick what why doesn't he make the system thinner and and longer I don't know if you can see
that why doesn't he make that system longer and then narrower and if it's narrower then by definition his water table separation will be a little bit more you see what I'm saying the yeah he
should rework the GE if I were him I'd rework the geometry if he wants to go with this let's re rework the geometry to get the maximum separation we can and still have gravity flow I know it requires another another
iteration but I'm just thinking here he hasn't done a ton of work here that because when I talked I said you know don't be doing a final design because the board hasn't given you final permission so you should be
doing Concepts rather than Yeah final design you know you know my thought the weather's cold the ground's frozen this system won't go in probably till April at the earliest if not May grades right now
right so what I'm thinking why doesn't he sharpen his pencil a little bit see if he can in increase his separation as much as he can with the gravity system and then we'll re reent his
thoughts there is decent driveway what Lee there there's a fairly decent slope coming off the driveway towards East Street right that's where the old leak
still is I I told said you got nice high soil here why don't you why don't you you know forget it's it's like they're afraid to dig out the old system and that's the best place for the new system
so I my feeling was I said you know I think we're gonna hear one of our members say you know why don't we not use a pum I knew bill would be saying don't use p and and I said ah
if I were to guess what's going to happen you're going to see that we're going to want a nice big footprint and you're going to want it over where the best soil was right next to your driveway and then we're gonna make it
use the if you're going to use the Elgen system that gives us a little more safety than we had with you know if you were just doing a a regular bed with five fet you've got a some better filtration in the Elgen system to start
I said I so I would say that the board is liel to say give us a a big system up where where the old system was and get it up as high as you can get it and use the Elden system for the extra
protection that's what I think the board would end up talking about but do we know how deep the tank is under the driveway at this point in time it's shallow shallow it's I don't think there's a fo of
cover okay I mean okay I'm I'm not in the business uh but it seems that if we cheat the tank up in the driveway um and make it use of the slope
coming off the driveway towards East Street uh you probably pick up a good 16 plus in between the two of them easily yeah I I think if you look what you're talking about Bill and what Lee's
talking about he shows on on one of his drawings he shows that the the pipe is coming out there's there's nothing under the under the uh the seller that he's showing
so I would I could support doing what bill and Lee saying you know get every inch you can out of this thing use the Innovative system avoid the pump and get the system up and high and and stop
being afraid to pull the old Lea field out if that's the if that was the best soil if you was the best the area with the best soil and and do the best we can and and avoid the the
pump is that is that where where Lee and Phil is what you're kind of leaning towards that's my thought dick yes okay I'll be right
back okay then that's that's I'll get back to him he's gone he's got his his kids going I think it sounded like he was going on a a stei vacation next week with school holiday so he's not going to be back to
talk about this anyway okay okay so I can I'll let him know that the Allan is Allan is still here regarding and I want Alan to hear what
what happened I mean I wanted a bill to hear what happened so I'll take this out of sequence to get Allen off our screen y well what I I can do we set of killing
time we're good uh until Bill gets back we can go um minute were you okay with with the minute Le I for the
28th I would to other than a tiny little thing that I gave cenen so Bill isn't here so you have to note that bill is here so we'll approve the minute the the
next is that that uh they with me I wre around for stuff I've got the colen's time sheet for the 8th of February leag that that's
the the normal 70 hours are we okay with that I am twoing so that's approved okay the next one is if I don't get something lost here it's going to be
amazing the next one is a billis back I'm going to go back again we're going to come out of this bill to get Allen out of here uh Allan was hired I I assume he's hired
by by the owner of 1210 Lane then end up doing essentially a a Title Five inspection it looked like but I was I was there uh
Allen was there Josh F was there what went into the backyard went into the area of the fact Josh dug up the tank the tank was physically there and
and and sound and that it was there but you could see cracks in the concrete so it was the curious at it appeared to be a about an 800g tank uh it was not an art cement tank it it had the drop in
baffles uh baffles at least some of the baffles were one of the inlet Bassel I saw was parly corroded uh did water table we actually went down we we verified that there is
no debox looks like uh Orangeburg is probably coming out with a Y look like look like two trenches um so there so there was one outlet pipe only correct one outlet pipe
going into a y okay and it look actually looked like a lateral kind of of why and U and then P to be play the the 12 in Long clay tiles for
the yeah yeah yeah the buted clay tiles yeah buted Clay tiles interesting interesting what we saw which I was surprised is we saw the 3/4 to one and a half inch wash phone rounded wash phone as compared with trap rout which
surprised surprised uh we were near the tank so I can't guarantee that that that was the original stuff but that's what we saw uh tank is up really close to the surface dug down found where the water table
called water table was and I um I think Allan's gotten this letter that it was at 30 inches and I forget it was 30 or 28 that's that kind of depth the actual water table that we saw was down in the
48 inch range 42 45 48 it was but it's and it's all all a medium fand no stone um didn't as we said we found water um a conclusion at the while we
were on site our conclusion was that the the system would would fail a tial 5 inspection and that the tank was not good and that the the SAS bottom of the
SAS would be higher than the than the seasonal High called seasonal high water table where that is where the actual is it's just what we called it you don't I don't know that the seasonal high water
table was the colors were there because the pumping of the system wasn't from the house out onto the street I can't tell anything other than that's what the colors said what we did see is where the water table was and the water
table from what and we were careful to discuss it look at where the top of the the the pipe were for the SAS and uh to say we want to know where the actual water table is compared to
the bottom of the the stone and it's it's reasonable right now to to make my thought and Allen can certainly give his two cents as we said see if if the top of this stone is the top of the pipe is
down 15 inches and go another foot below that so let's let's say it's it's down two and a half let's say the the bottom of the the stone is I'd say 32 inches 36 inches
even I would assume in those days six inches below the bottom of the pipe was typical in those days dick yeah so it it says that the water table that we saw was clearly below the bottom of the
stone yeah yeah let let me ask Al a question Al you put the monitoring well in How deep did you go with the well no no no I don't want to use the word well bill it's really not OBS observation observation observation pipe put in the
depot okay so you so you so did you slot it with the hacka you you cut slots in it you put a sump on the bottom of it no no this is perforated pipe yeah 4 in just like we use on other Depot all the time oh and and this is not this is not
to be used for groundwater level interpretation it it's not right to do it I I won't you know as a hydrog geologist I'll tell you it's install did so so you didn't you didn't pack it with you didn't pack it with auto or sand or
anything then no no it's packed with the original native sand around okay see I was hoping you'd pack it with Ottawa put an annular I thought thought you'd build it in accordance with the standard practice for monitoring Wells no it was not intended to be a monitoring well build that was that was the whole point
of the board's directive is to put a observation well in to get periodic measurements of the water table on site yeah I still I I'm oldfashioned I would use an augar rig to do that I would not use a t and well no didn't you use a
hand didn't you you you know I use my in hand auger Al you could use my hand auger no I have handers too we were there could have gone down 10 feet with a hand AER no I I no you didn't
have to why are we we're talking it's crazy no no the point is the point is on a monthly or bi-weekly basis it would be really good to have a number where the water table is going forward on this project now don't Bill why is this
different than any other job where we a normal soil evaluation and put a pipe in because on this project there's there's a contention as to the state of this system this is a very important this is a very important feature of this project I understand that I put in I put in over
a thousand monitoring WS in my years I I've done over a thousand test bits and soil evaluations in my years I'm telling you that is not the proper way to put a monitoring well in I was part of the regulatory ume that wrote those regulations listen I I've done right now
we do this let's let's let's get back to what we know right now okay got medium standand that is going to come up the water level in that pipe is going to come up but what we know right now is
that the the way the title 5 tells us to look at high water table seasonal high water table we went in and Allan is is document and I looked at it it says it's 30 in and as it turns out pretty close but
again but again that's an close to what you brought to the table two weeks ago that's right that's a that's a granular soil and sometimes you have Relic models and modeling in granular soils may be
misleading but it we got that and we saw at a time when the that the oil the water level in the ground is pretty low because of low rain we saw water at four feet we saw the water I saw the yeah so
so again I would have liked to see an observation well back filled and then grouted on the top to prevent infiltration do it do it the way you're supposed to do it that was my that was my thought apparently that was the
interesting thing that we have is we we found on this site the same thing that we found and in fact you found Bill not very far away well that's right on a system that says you know given what we saw on that site not this one bill you
weren't on this one well yeah there one you saw on the other one you said that's where the water table is this is what we have to do to comply with Title Five yeah listen number 14 and number 10 both had observed water at different times of
the year anywhere between 4 than 5T down correct now we're seeing water at 4 feet down in February and I'm curious to what it's gonna what it's going to show in April I'm very
curious yeah if we were doing a a regular house we would have suck this pipe down in the soil in a spring we'd come back and stick it in there and we'd find water table that we could you know when when when Diane does
her repair going forward clearly she'll design it at modeling that's that's without question but now to to answer Dave gaspar's question about the state of the system currently the elevation of the water going forward with respect to
the bottom of the system is very very important so I'd like I'd love to have real-time data on that and apparently we're not going to have real time data well what we've got real time data that's a week old bill that says it was four feet deep that system that system
is not flooded today right so so the question is Dick at what point in the future shall we go back and do the same thing I don't know my my question is is we have to be very careful right now
because this is this is on our agenda only under under correspondence it is 12 P Lane is not on
our agenda today and according to the meeting open meeting laws we can we can discuss this in a very but yeah we can't we cannot make a decision yeah we cannot make a decision I agree do this right now in fact we
should have pen put this on the next agenda they that from what I'm have to look at as a board of health memb if we came in here right now if Allan sent us a letter that said this system is
underwater right now and it is not providing any significant protection to the environment then as a board member I would have to say I don't care this this letter is so so serious about
a safety concern we have to discuss it but that's not what Allen's letter said Allen's letter said that the system is providing to today it's providing some protection that it's not underwater so so putting
this on the agenda for two weeks from now I'm Bill and and Lee at from at from my standpoint to comply with the the state regulations that says to to make a a
serious you know Direction setting uh move decision the proper thing would be to to get Diane I know has this letter now that Diane probably I can't say what
Diane does with her engineer she works with her engineer but from the Board of Health stand Point what we should be doing is we could schedule Diane to come in to talk to us with the intent of coming up with what we said the last
time we talked that let me ask a question Al let me ask you a question were you hired by Diane to do a Title Five inspection I was hired by Diane to go out and look at the septics do an
informal SE septic inspection and to evaluate the depth to groundwater using a depole I was asked to bring a pipe to put in the hole which was done it was no intention on my part
to consider it to be a monitoring well um it was never relayed to me as such that that's what it would be um as you know monit actually it was in our correspondence well let me ask you this question now monitoring liced Drillers
bill hold on hold on please hold on please could you go out there in a few weeks or a month or whenever with a hand auger and Advance the augur to the water table could you do that um I
personally um can't answer whether I'll be able to get down that you know dick I could do this myself with my guys question now you you have to be really careful about who's working for
whom and and you know what the Board of Health telling Allan Allan apparently we L and I don't know maybe you guys have a I have everybody else is moving around but not Al yeah Al's Frozen there yeah he's
Frozen he's prob because she he trying to tell anyway dick why don't we suspend discussion on this as it's not on the agenda I agree let's go to the let's go to the next topic let's go to the next topic soen could you please put it on the next the
next meeting and you want me to ask Diane to come to the next meeting please please what we we should talk and you could ask Diane since since Allan worked for Diane it would be nice if the board is going to end up into some engineering
questions it would be very nice if Diane would have Allen be here but we have to be careful Allen isn't working for the Board of Health yeah that's correct well that's that was the point of that question whether or not Diane truly
commissioned him to do a Title Five inspection but again that's between Diane and and Allan that's not the Board of Health is not the one that that gets involved with that that's right we got we got the that we were asking for and
I'm con I'm convinced that we have the two weeks to figure out how the path forward and I think I saw a letter tellen that you put in from Diane who said that she was anxious to bring this to a
conclusion so so so hopefully we'll we'll get someplace from from that yeah let let's have Diane come to the next meeting we can talk to her as well that'll be fine Lee do you support that as
well now Le's recus because they're clients of Le is at the drugstore well then then that's fine I do I I I I do support um the spirit of getting Diane and
Allen um on next meeting's agenda to help everybody the environment the board the neighborhood um bring this to a close for all concerned whether Allan's here with
Diane that is you know Colleen if if you can talk I we can't commit to having Dianne hire Allen she doesn't have to use Allen she doesn't have to do anything that Allan is her employee or
was her employee and so we just have to make sure that that that the board doesn't Cris cross and all of a sudden have Allen working for the board and Allen submitting a bill to the board saying you know you guys just asked me to do this I don't work for free you
told me to do it so I did it and now you owe me you know $250 an hour for the six hours that I work and the board said whoa that's not what we said but but if we're not careful we say it and so we're
not saying that so I'm back I I had a technical glitch can you hear me now yeah my Wi-Fi went out I'm sorry um the answer to your question I think
is why wouldn't we just simply go back in about three weeks when it's in your normal season when we're starting to see this snow melt to to occur when the water table naturally Rises um I
don't if I will doubt that it's going to be um significantly closer to the surface than 30 inches but certainly if that's what it is it is and if that's where we see more oxides at a higher elevation that's where we're going again the problem is
Al you're not going to dig in the same location you're going to end up Digging Up This Woman's yard and making a mess of her yard that's the thing I'm concerned about well there's there's been a fair amount of disturbance there already it's going to be hard as you know with some sites once there is
disturbance to get a fair um measure U metric of that whether you're using a Peter a monitoring well or a pipe put in a test pit hole so yeah a p like you say a pipe in a test pit hole the only thing that's good for is locating where you're
diing the test pit that's all yeah I agree with you I agree with you and and it's absolutely useless for water table determination I was I was yeah I was not given um let's just say the exact instruction to use a actual monitoring
well installation there if I had I would have probably quoted using an augur and so forth yeah yeah because actually the the letter that Colleen had sent out there was a there was a paragraph in there that did say IE monitoring will is this the same letter that was unended
why don't we we're talking about what we just said W let's let's defer this to two weeks we're gonna talk about this in two weeks and it turns out that that Allen is reported back to Diane perhaps he can he
can he we all read what Allan said to Diane in his letter let Diane make him in and say okay let's get on with whatever it takes to to get this system replaced and let's get on with it and but the board is in about the important
thing is the board got the information that we needed to say that this system is not in the water table right now at this time correct all right at this time that's what we found out listen I move we
suspend discussion go to our next topic but that's what we got we should do thank you Alan thank you okay thanks Alan thank you so our next our next item B we approve the
minute and we approve while you were away the minutes and Colleen's time sheet the next is the account receivable totaling 1,660
$60 and that comes out 1,310 from board of health permits 300 from Board of Health licenses $50 for board ofth fees and that totals to [Music] $1,660 are we okay with
that yeah that's good I am too calling okay the next one is bills payable they they are there actually four of them uh
Colleen actually has a postage bill for [Music] $19.5 so uh actually was to send the thermometer to her the herb the the infrared thermometer for him to borrow
it for just a little while it was sitting in the bottom of the cabinet since herb left the office the the RICO for $20.15 for copy toner for the large
printer Tom fbot is for his animal inspections that which he included the list of for $1,580 and Tom for the mile his mileage for those which is
[Music] $360 totaling $22.90 colen got the receipt are we okay with those yeah yes I two col so those are okay
next is uh a disposal work permit and Sol permit uh renewal for Douglas fash
construction for 2025 are we okay with that one that is a renewal yes y I'm good with all those I am good with that too the next is a food permit to operate a food establishment it's early
mug or 2025 this one would be it's for over 25 fet this one would typically be Lin inspecting before this is issue and she would Grant it are we going to approve
that yes that's good I am too far so that's the next one I think is an old one this is B at 11 North Street there's a
certificate of compliance from Neil Jackson and this is a has built it looks like he's got horizontal and vertical Ties on
it this is a w this an old I'm not sure why this this is is the as built was done on 112 2024 colen do you know why that this a year old do you think it just hasn't
been acted upon yeah um the owner called uh this Leanne the owner of 110 North Street called looking for it and yeah it wasn't in the file so we had never received it
uh so uh she reached out to Neil to to get it she wanted it to do her taxes and she didn't have it but it was we've already approved it probably are we okay with
this yes that'ss the house on the corner of Northern linan right it's good dick I am good with the twoing that's fine okay the next thing that that we have
is if I can do this properly looks like the budget request we've got a budet request and I also have some
place telling you have a town report that we have to do too right yes yeah I put in all the numbers for the fees and the diseases um so your numbers are yeah your numbers
are let's do that quickly they the only thing so this feat that you sent us is the one that that you would suggest we send out uh yes unless you want to change any of the
copy uh they only have there only a couple changes that I put in under covid-19 the last on the first paragraph the last line says Co covid-19 will
continue impact the activities of the Board of Health I'm not sure that that statement is true my my suggestion is we just cut cross that one out okay the down in the following paragraph about six lines
down it says grany continued the membership for the 2023 season I would change that to 2024 season yep okay the then the following sentence
that says all member the not municipalities are required to appropriate $55,000 to the Pioneer Valley mosquito control it's now what 5,250 two 250 yeah yeah so we changed
that okay uh under smoking the last sentence there says in addition the state continued enforcing the sweeping new regulations controlling the sale of
saing EX and flavor tobacco product that's true they continued tol I thought it was they're not you could say the and you could cross out the sweeping new regulations you could just say enforcing the
regulations okay they're not new anymore the on the next column uh do so that's where you're talking about the land the hazardous waste it says the amounts collected was from 23 residents
that's the correct number for that that's correct that's correct for last year okay the next one in landfill it says the uh post closure operation of the landfill for at least the next 50 years I think it's probably we've been
saying that for 10 years so it's probably the next 40 years not 50 years 40 okay um and the rest of it I don't have any trouble with guys Bill and Lee are you you want to top up that report or just
let it the way it goes and be done with it I don't think anybody ever reads it I don't think they do either what we do on conservation is we use the same report we just change the
number of permits that we issued so that's about what just happened now yeah same thing so I'm good with that okay yeah all right okay so the next one is our our budget and unfortunately our choices
with the budget or we can do something about it now but but what Chris has said is that they're due no later than Friday February 21st and if you don't get it by them they're going to make one up for it so
so Colleen's given a a shot at this thing do we do we go through it uh I looked at colen's numbers we have
to I'm guessing what this says is that everybody's going to get a 3% raise the part that's higher than 3% the our inspect our our mosquito number went up by 5% right colen so that yes yes by
250 uh I'm just looking at now now remember we changed Lynn's payment schedule around how how does that affect the the budget it Sav it saved
there put it in as a if you look our numberers jump perod this could be difficult for me to find you'll see that last year
[Music] ly in the expenses column we went from 202 for there there was an
$8600 number and then Chris jumped it to last year to 19,7 188 so he that's where he threw the extra money and it and he kept it there so what was her actual
expenditures last year Colleen Lind uh I don't have it in front of me but it wasn't anywhere near you know what you have so you think if we budget $20,000 for her that will
cover her for this coming year it wasn't even the 10,000 I don't think no that's the case T then where you bump her number up to 20,
380 why don't you make it 20,000 even and then when you when you hit the our payment for the Pioneer Valley which jump from 5,000 to 5250
right yes then those would wash out and then you have every you just went through and did kind of everything at 3% right yes yes I just didn't contracted Services that's her the 10,000 so I
wasn't you know didn't have enough to to 300 so I put it in 200 an additional 200 um and work the rest out for the rest of it but um you know I'm just concerned all these food trucks which are coming online dick that's going to absorb a lot
of her time will and what we'll have to do if that happens we'll just have to go back to the new Chris's replacement and say look at the re they're up but they each one of
them ended up having to pay a fee to cover her inpection right that's right so so Colleen if if you look at what you have here does it come out that it stays
within the 3% yes again these numbers are also little tiny things do you do we want to just stick with what colen has there's nothing that was glaring at me that was wrong no that's fine that's fine dck we
are you okay with that too yeah that makes a good sense and then we'll to spend half of the night here worrying about whether 50 should go here or there when they when it's very
difficult there's no way for bill says that you know if somebody calls for an inspection how do you predict that yeah and we argue about putting tiny little decimal points on things we don't have any idea that what they're
about so just leave it as as I have it yeah submit what what we have what I have yeah okay okay the next thing we get
my working off my stomach is not a good my stomach is not a good thing but working on it is worse I'm look here the agenda again we have a
you were going to look at Tor street across from yeah I went over there yesterday very carefully and I looked over across the street from I believe the house in question again I saw Ryan Vin's field he's got a greenhous with
dilapitated plastic flowing all over the place but I did not see trash bags of course we had a little bit of snow but I did not see any trash bags okay so so calling the next time the gentleman calls if he could pinpoint
where he sees the trash bags I can go to that specific location but I I looked around there very very carefully for about five minutes I couldn't find anything of that sort and were you at 288 Taylor Street he said it's right across from there is that where you were
yeah in that vicinity that whole in that vicinity okay that whole stretch pinpoint it more to where yeah okay maybe could maybe he could take a picture and forward it to you yeah that would be good cuz there there are a couple of there are a couple of uh truck
vehicle tracks going into the fields I saw the the old Greenhouse he had a bunch of steaks for I don't know if he's doing grapes or tomatoes or whatever but there are a bunch of agricultural Stakes on a set up on a grid out there but
again I didn't see any composting facility okay we've got another item that's a telling cut down a wine housee operating without Allon
licenses we've got a gry select board Complaint Form uh it sounds like within the within the selectman Department they've got an issue that says the wine house is open without all
approved inspections and [Music] licenses um tellen are are these copies it looks to me like they're copies of things that were sent to to the select yes and they came
in and wanted to give that to the board all was yeah they think this is exactly what went to the select board and they also wanted to make this same complaint and drop it off to the Board of Health
so and when they filled out the complaint is there something in here that says we're complaining to the Board of Health us and then we can say yes they
are in violation or no they're not they bill and Lee do you understand what what the board of pro complaint this year my sense is that um according to
the complaint form as I read it that um their licenses may not have been approved to operate as of January 1 forward so I believe the complaint is
to I guess get a hold of uh building inspector and or um Administration to find out whether or not they are in fact unlicensed at this
point in time there and if that's the case then of course they shouldn't be open tellen are there any are there any licenses that why why not Health needs from us that
are not valid at this point well he applied for his licenses from the board he did uh but I think yes the people that dropped off this said that
because they don't have like the other Town licenses how can they be open even though they have like the board maybe they have the Board of Health licenses but they shouldn't be open because they
don't have the licenses from the select board I think that's what they were saying so he did apply for his licenses through the Board of Health but I guess he didn't have all the inspections they didn't have all the
inspections done the building commission fire so they shouldn't be open they were contending I don't know okay so the licenses for the Board
of Health were applied for and paid for and they were right they were signed off um a couple meetings ago or probably before the around the beginning of the year I think it was okay
so so the question is whether or not the town as a whole um has issued the rest of the licenses which a business needs to
function that's what I'm understanding right yeah that's what they were saying okay um is and was there and I I don't remember uh was there an issue with the building
inspector at this location last summer late summer he issued a cease and desist which has not been addressed yes I think it was wasn't it I
think the from what I read in the paper the paper said that the select board then said yep you can operate okay they did Issue you're right they did Issue though they didn't they said they have not been issued the
licenses got common vict entertainment and lier because the certificate from the fire inspection and Building Commissioner has not been issued to them that is what
this says that is what Kathy Leonard uh so that's a that's a letter from the select board or possibly another letter from the fire department not all Department
inspections were but but again but again we're only responsible for the food trucks the common vilers were're not responsible for the liquor license not the common vict that's select board too oh that is
okay so what do we what license did we issue we don't issue anything well we did a food service license and and Retail food yeah my feeling with if you go where Bill is
is headed is if you get tangled up that every board is involved with every other board's license you're never going to get anything done that's right that what the board has to do is make sure that you know for instance if we're dealing with the
septic system which we are that it would be inappropriate for the SEL to come and tell the board they want to see how the board's handling the the septic yeah like Brian ool would say stay in your
lane that's phrase stay in your lane and we should we should stay in our lane on this one yeah and we can be we can be tough and make sure what needs to get done get done but we certainly shouldn't
be saying we're not going to give you a food service license because it's not consistent with the planning board master plan you know say the Board of Health doesn't deal with planning board
Master plans that's right so I guess um I understand that concept um um I'm curious about the and I can find this out myself I'm just wondering why the fire department
had an issue um if in fact they still do whether there is some type of a safety violation going on I realized we're not the fire department I get that
um and part of me says that we should again as Bill pointed out stay in our lane I get that um but if there's a safety violation um and I I could be I could be incorrect
here thinking that uh we have an obligation uh at least morally to find out what that if there is a safety violation from fire and I don't know that there is at all uh what is
it um it's confusing for sure we obviously want the but also safe for the patrons any and all times
so I don't I don't understand if there's if the permitting hasn't crossed the selectman desk um why the lights would be on at this point in time independent of
us I agree with you Lee and I'm I'm making sure the pieces all fit but I I guess I look at it more like like the building permit when we get when the building inspector sends it
around we don't really care that the electrical guy didn't sign off yet on the electrical roughing when we sign off on the on the well and on the sewage
system that we say we we do our part and the guy that is going to finally okay the permit is the one that makes sure everybody's checked off their boxes but if if everybody checks everybody's boxes
nothing ever gets fun that's right that's exactly right yeah I I I I get that for sure I just um and I know we've had a new fire chief too um so there's a lot of there's a lot of moving
Parts uh I just don't want to be um yeah but by the way is is Russell Anderson our temporary fire chief right now you got me on that one bill I have no clue yeah that's the rumor that was that a joke bill or is that true no it's
true they said Russ is gonna may come back and be temporary is he retired out of Southampton no he retired from Southwick he's retired but he I think he's in principle he's agreeing to come
back and help us out in the interim I thought he was an excellent fire chief Anderson very very good yeah yeah we'll be lucky if we can get him yeah
yes five my feeling is going with Bill's saying is we ought to stay in our lane but make sure we do our job right with this so not be someone that says oh when
we know there's something wrong from the Board of Health standpoint we turn our head we don't do that but the especially to be to be careful if this
happens to be a neighbor dispute to to not do some overreach that that you know board out you really don't belong here right and as long as the complaining party is a is an individual
across the street from this site dick yeah but again we I think we'd be careful we go back to what you say Phil and what and what Brian also really would say is guys do your job right and
make sure that we we do do our job not the one that that the Selectmen were voted to do on but to make sure we do what we're supposed to do so so my the funny thing on this project is
this is really a planning board issue but there's no planning board because one of the parties is the chair of the planning board so the select board are acting as planning board and I don't think they're used to doing that yeah that's the problem see the the select
board is acting as Planning and Zoning on this project and I don't think they're up to speed on a lot of those regulations that's just my opinion yeah yeah well that makes sense but but again that that we're we
do have issues we've got we've got issues that we have to watch for with the food trucks with the food prep with the toilet but we're working we're working on all of those things and we should again keep in our
lane and make sure our job gets done because that's what people expect us to do right and and what we should do but that we if we we overstep our bounds that we're gonna be just like
Phill talked about just a second ago when you're in somebody else sh and you don't know what you're doing you can't help but to cause trouble that unnecessary trouble and and be
incorrect so so my feeling is we we just receive this and say we looked at it and we believe that the Board of Health doesn't have issues with it at at this point that we are dealing with issues and they're moving forward to our
satisfaction yeah and Lynn will fill us in if anything between then and now uh shows up as our agent yeah yeah is that what you're thinking Bill too yes yeah yeah that's that's that's a smart approach
okay we are now my knees are telling me it's time to not be sitting here anymore yeah I would I would second that dick so this is they definitely don't
like to be in this position um no too much the good news is I have haven't had to take any any of the Opia so at least you're putting up with the normal me not this that's
good impaired me okay well that's great very good okay then I'm gonna I'm gonna sh everybody oh what next next meeting is is two weeks from Tuesday the 25th 25th that's good that
works are we gonna are we going to meet at quarter of again or are we going to and work on regulations or what time are we gonna meet I'm good with 6:45 yeah I think it's I think we're getting a lot done on these regulation
uh agenda I think it's a good idea to keep going with it okay what what would be the next one maybe we should be happy just finishing that one yeah that number seven's a lengthy one dick let's see if we can knock that
one off next next time okay okay we'll do that separ okay very very good okay okay okay folks thank you all good night everybody good luck with your operation yeah thanks dick and I'll keep you
posted on on if I need something okay thank you so much okay good night everybody all the best guys good night bye bye bye