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started the meeting huh well well just in an informal fashion Dick yeah this this gentleman um well what's the what's the agenda lineup Colleen well the the agenda is we've got 15 minutes to do our rules oh that's right let's do that
first Dick and we don't But we don't have we don't have Lee here well why don't we talk to this gentleman before Lee shows up now what is what is this about we can do it it's on the agenda a thing
what is it that we're talking about well he's moving into Halen's Hall's Mini Mart the old the old Bumpies the old Bumpy space which is next to the Verizon store okay I saw that in fact there were three things we were there a couple licenses and a couple
sketches but but to open up a food place that would have to do an inspection search this is brand new this one has to be submitted and and go over materials the construction and sinks and what they're what they're doing so so the
proper way to do this is for for you to to get in touch with Lynn and have Lynn do the inspection to make sure that before we grant any kind of license that that it it meets the the
requirement are you doing is this only a dry good store they're not preparing any food no no uh no food made on the premise it's all like canned goods or a little bit of grocery items like seasonings and No no I think he's going to do dairy Dick i think he's going to
sell refrigerated dairy so see he'd have to check to see what the refrigeration is like um although this is this is different than a food prep yes system that's not you're not dealing with sinks and dishes
so there you're So you're not doing any dishes or anything that Oh no no hot food served here not even cold cuts or nothing like that yeah yeah in fact I'm looking it looks like the ceiling that you have in there
is probably not a cleanable kind of ceiling it looks like an acoustic ceiling uh ceiling tile yeah yeah yeah so that but if you're not making any foods and if there's nothing exposed then that's that's a different story right yeah and
years ago there was a refrigerator in the rear right is that still there the big refrigerator or is was that taken out no I could actually show you around the store a little bit yeah why don't we let him do that Dick okay well but Lyn is the one that that would be doing that
yeah just just the proper person to do that preliminary an idea of the stuff that we're just walk us around if you would okay so we have two coolers one's like a see that the countertop
cooler and this one will have more of the like waters Gatorade stuff like that and then a little bit of snacks items right here can this looks like a Cumberland
Farms without the food prep yeah more like CVS kind of like more so like you have your sauces your ketchups mustards or Dollar General would be that way probably a lot of household goods toothpaste
mouthwash dishwasher stuff um more body stuff body wash deodorants baby diapers ziplockc bags trash
bags cleaning what do we do on on Bill on this one just to to let this gentleman move on do we approve this one subject to Lynn inspecting it yeah yes yes so I've got on this one we've
got Let's see what we have retail food milk and to I didn't see Colleen i didn't see the one for retail food i got one for milk and tobacco now this one doesn't exceed our tobacco
license we've got a tobacco license that's available yes this would be the number six okay yeah yeah i do have the the retail and
the milk i don't know um I did do that i don't know if that you didn't get that file or not in the tobacco i'm just looking at there i have them stapled together let me just
Yeah see what I Lee's here good evening Lee hi Lee how are you good evening Dick how's everybody good what we're just doing is down at Five Corners with this gentleman is
trying to reopen which is a basically a a package food and and a little grocery store kind of set up with no no food prep at all no open food at all and
just going over what what he would end up needing and and I'm just going through my list which is out of order now because uh let me just see where the licenses
that Colleen got what I have for for licenses Colleen and and maybe I don't have them i've got the food establishment uh plan review and I'm guessing this is not a food establishment this is a No
but on there there's a there's a spot for if it's like a retail store so I just Yeah had him put his information in okay that's fine and I've got one permit that that's for sale of tobacco and then I've got another permit
that is okay licensed to sell retail food and let me see if I missed the I guess I don't see the one for milk is there one here that that I just don't have and it's already filled out
yes I do have one yes yes okay so are we at a spot that Bill and and Lee that that uh we approve these subject to lens inspection
yes yes I believe that's correct okay so that's what we'll do so you have to get back in touch with Colleen and Lynn and have her get in and and when Lena inspects it she then has the authorization to get you up and running oh perfect
okay okay and then so just go down to the town hall again and try to schedule a date oh yeah actually you can give Ten a call okay okay you don't have to make a trip though okay
so so that's it and good luck with your business thank you good luck okay thank you okay have a have a good night thank you thank you thank you thanks for for tonight we were going to look at just two things two
uh documents for our our rules although before we start I've had we don't have to make a decision tonight but it might be worthwhile at least to think about because it's going to come up and a
couple of the installers have said we've got two regulations that they think is are unreasonable and give them some hard times one of them is the 100 ft between
the septic tank to the well versus 50 with the state and there as I remind people that particular regulation came
about 40 plus years ago maybe and it was from Franny Dwit who found a a well that was contaminated and it was contaminated because of a septic now when I look
at I just put on the table it could be that that was a an art cement septic tank because Granny told me it was a broken septic tank and it could have been in gravel and it could
have been the the old everything could have been in the water table so the question is with what we have right now is that is that a reasonable with with tanks the way they're made now is that
in fact a reasonable request is it really doing anything for anybody to be the 100 ft so So the motion on the table Dick is to wave or resin that requirement well I was just saying as we go through and
look at our regulations is that one that we when we get to it that that we say you know this one doesn't make any sense i I I'd entertain that
Lee what is your thinking well yeah given the parameters um that you mentioned about better tanks uh two compartment and um more
regulations pertaining to separation of water table and so forth um it it makes sense um to entertain the state's code of 50 ft
i mean I guess you know in there's no harm done I don't think in in the hundred but I don't know how that makes anyone's life more difficult unless you're talking about the difference between maybe the 2%
pitch they can't reach in a long distance and the force of the pump chamber maybe i don't I don't know that's the argument maybe it's a thing that you say you know if we can do the hundred unless there's a reason not to do the
hundred you do the hundred and that we could go to 50 if if there's you know if someone says "Gee I can't I can't maintain the tank i can't you know there's a reason." and you say "Okay so we do a a policy kind of thing versus a
or a regulation but we allow it to vary bury it for for reason." That's another way to look at it yeah yeah a little alternatives analysis that's fine the next one that they complained about is
and it it kind of it kind of goes with the difference the the water table uh separation issue where where last week Bill you said or
last meeting you said hey let's be talking about that we said three feet and maybe that's not a good number and I certainly when I read all excuse me that you put out that you did did you Did you see what we sent out today the Connecticut Code Dick I didn't
read that okay there's some extremely insightful stuff in the Connecticut Code that I won't even elaborate on right now but it's just it's bizarre it's completely bizarre okay but certainly after you sent that
stuff out Bill it would seem prudent that two feet versus three feet is a is a more reasonable number for separation i you could argue that maybe it's only
15 inches or 18 inches but but if you're just saying three feet three certainly seems like like a lot but compared to what you need but the other that people are are asking
about is the 100 ft to the wetlands and and the question came out is if if you've already got a lot of separation vertically to protect the you know on on
systems to protect the from viruses and bacteria and nothing helped that in terms of the nitrogen then is 50 is 100 ft feet any
better than 50 ft and that's definitely in your world Phil yeah I guess there's two issues one is the regulatory side and two is the science side so we would have to take a look at both both avenues before we come
up with a game plan on that one wow i would I would I would s suggest we do a regulatory review on both the title five and the wetland rags end of it and other documents available and then let's look at the science let's look at the biology
okay then we should maybe you can take that for an assignment before the next the next meeting because that's not on I don't think that's on these two documents so so let's go look at the the documents it's already 7 o'clock we used
up the the first one uh and I think you look if we look at local upgrades to title five inspections there are eight of them that are there and it it the title five
inspections must be witnessed by a representative of the Grand Board of Health is that a regulation that we want yeah well that was we initiated that back in the back in the 90s right i think it's a I think it's one that
that's good necessary yes yes lee what are you thinking yeah that's I think that solves more problems than it creates in the scheduling uh as far as
new Title 5 companies that may be floating in and out and whether or not there's some questions that we can hopefully answer on site uh I think it's something that we should try to stick with
now the next one is actually I'm gonna before we go into this I've witnessed the what is it sixth Wood Avenue that per test where the argument
about Yeah yeah and I was I went along with what Neil said about the condition of the tank we went
in first of all someone had put in these were drop in baffles and it looks like someone put in drop in baffle replacements that maybe the last time it was pumped now Pope doesn't say that when you have
a baffle problem you put in bath drop in concrete baffles and Neil told me "Oh clean septic cast those things themselves." They have no idea what kind of concrete you have no idea how old it is you don't know anything
about those baffles so these were in and they said "Well the baffles that you see aren't aren't bad they're okay so you don't violate any rules well the last time someone was in there certainly they replaced the baffle with a with what the
code says you're going to put in cheese and so that's not what was there the tank was down I don't know two and a half two feet something and when you went to try to dig the tank up you can't everybody
there saying "Oh it's unreasonable to try to look at this tank." And and all we did is they had they had clean out towers in it and you could get around the where the baffles are and the pump out and you say "Oh the concrete the the
tank looks good but but and it felt hard." But you could see a total what we saw is a total of maybe two feet two square feet of the tank you could look at because it's down in the ground and
everybody's saying "Oh we don't want to dig everything up it's just terrible look at" and so we looked at one of the I looked at the inlet the inlet look good but even that they said "Well we don't want to dig down and make everything all messed up around this
tank." And so now you got and then Neil was going to get after I left they were going to pump it out and Neil was going to take a mirror three feet down in the ground the mirror and a flashlight and say "Oh I'm going to be able to determine all what's it's like inside
this tank." So my concern is that there's no one going to tear this thing up the the way it needs to be torn up to find out if it's really good i'm I'm still of when we get to talk about it I'm still of the opinion that these 40
and 50 year old tanks are unless someone's going to say I'm going to spend I'm going to destroy my lawn and in that area and I'm going to spend all this money to inspect it and really inspect it right
just saying this piece of you know three and thick concrete buried for for 40 or 50 years is okay and and you don't know you don't know what people have dumped in it you don't know you don't know anything about these things so I'm I'm
concerned when we get to it but I could feel the pressure i'm guessing Lee you must feel it all the time that people are saying "Yeah I don't really you know we're going to do the best we can to to see whether the
tank's good enough but but no one is is anxious to be digging these things up." So I don't know if they're trying to maximize their uh time in and out because when you do I
guess when you do a title five it's a flat rate let's say it's $10 whether it takes you 20 minutes or two hours it's still $10 so the quicker you can get in and out the more you make
and I don't know whether or not there is some type of a halfbaked relationship with the homeowner i hope not yeah no I I hear you hey Dick did they dig up all three ports the
center port and the two end ports or just one port they did all I saw all three ports and that they you know you had a their pump out the the towers they had in there
were I'm guessing they were a foot in diameter so that's what you you could see you could see that at the at the bottom of the the the three so So they had they had concrete well tiles over the tank they
weren't they were plastic oh they were plastic see that's newer that See that's fairly new then those are new right so I'm guessing that that when they did that five years ago someone must have put those in okay and Greg gave me and what Greg said
is I said you know you put these towers in there you put those tubes in so you can get up there and you can get at them and pump them and and I said "But they're down in the bottom in a little hole at the bottom of a you know in the ground." And and Greg oh the reason Title 5 has that is they say it's so you
can inspect it oh yeah you can inspect it you can inspect the water level you can but but trying to do anything significant that through a hole two feet you know and that in fact that I'm guessing the
the baffle is I don't know 8 in square 10 in square something like that so you don't have a very big hole there so so anyway when we come down to the point of saying whether we want these
tanks replaced we should be at least thinking about it because in fact here's the next one number two on this one is septic tanks must be empty to determine internal condition now that's a that's a
bad thing because empty isn't defined so if you were going to say you could say it must be pumped or pumped to as empty as possible or pumped in a way that you make it
enforcable a normal must be normally pumped out as as normal or or something if you want to say it at all otherwise they say let the pump let the tank be full and then you don't see anything below the water tank water line
and certainly what I've seen and as I'm sure you two guys have seen with some older tanks is that when we dig out at least uh the outlet side of the tank that's usually where
um the spalling of the concrete if that's the right term is at its most significant and that's usually where there will be either a crack or some bulging of the concrete uh which is indicative of course of a
fail um but the the funny thing is when these guys are on site and they have these back hoes and different hydraulic equipment it's it's a five minute um discovery to go through the
motion and it saves [Music] the new homeowner all sorts of aggravation i think I think what it is I think what it is is a lot of these guys know that they're essentially dealing with an
eggshell and if they crack the eggshell no pun intended then they got to pay for it homeowner will say "Listen if you damage my tank during this inspection process guess who's paying for the new tank?" And they're pointing their finger
at the inspector that's the problem Dick so it's a liability transfer problem well so so Bill that being said how does a liability work if if Dick or you or I are on site and say uh we
cannot um continue the title five until we expose the outlet side of the tank yeah that's the quandry the homeowner has to agree that this inspection is going to be done at at risking damaging
the tank and if they don't want to agree to that premise that's fine replace the tank period and that's right that's the right that's the option either don't or just that's the way
and that's been the same issue Dick that you fell u victim to today all the time that on these older tanks uh there's always a push back which is okay i don't you know it doesn't bother me
um but I don't see I don't see why the um back cooperator would be voicing the loudest argument about not doing it it doesn't make any sense to me well because the homeowner probably told him before everybody
showed up "If you damage my tank you're going to be buying me a new tank." So they put they probably put the bug in the guy's ear well maybe but but if you look at the way the system's set up Lee I think I think you called this is that the
the backho operator and in many cases that you could see the back operator may even be the inspector but but sure it's his it's in the homeowner's interest not to see what
that is that what it's like and it's the backho who or the inspector says I don't want to spend any more time than I have to here let's get let's just pass this on and that's what my discussion was with with both Neil and and Greg saying
you know guys Title Five says that you guys have to be certifying this is good now how do you do they said well you don't have to look inside of it and I like to remind Yeah i like to remind them of the one that the very
expensive house on Bittersweet Lane that the inspector told me "I don't want to pump it." And I said "You're going to pump it?" And when it was done he said "You know Dick I have to say you were
right when I pumped it I found out that they hit ledge and they never put the bottom of the tank in he says it was only the top half of the tank that was in the ground oh
yeah that's that's a good install so anyway you know but again but again standard practice is they pump the tank and they and they look in the tank with a mirror and a flashlight that's standard practice it may not be perfect
it may be terrible practice but my understanding is that's standard practice you go to court argue that to the jury that's going to be that is a reasonable that is a reasonable protocol that will stand up in court in my
opinion but if they don't pump the tank and the thing's full of water that's a really that's really bad practice Dick right really so we So that rule could stay then yes lee are you
Yeah you know I thought at the What the thing I've been doing as well which gets some people upset but it doesn't bother me is that on the outlet side of the tank um more often than not
I'll borrow um the probe and I'll shoot it across at an angle into the concrete a little below um the outlet
pipe and on some of these tanks it's so fragile that the probe will go through with hardly any effort on my part at all wow through the concrete wow tank wow verify it's water
so yeah it's just um and maybe some guys now that when I show up and I'm not you know I'm not reinventing the wheel here but some guys just accept the fact that um if it's chipping or thinning out then
they anticipate my next question is to poke it with the probe and when that happens then we will dig about a foot away with a back hole and hand dig the remaining
area to really see what's going on and often times than not at that point in time we end up with a new tank and my guess is that after you know the first two or three with the same inspector um they're going to stop whining about
it and just go along with it yeah i hope because the thing too is that if something goes south and they inadvertently by error uh pass this on to a new homeowner um they don't want
the phone call about what they didn't do six or nine months ago right i would hope let's leave that one as it is okay i have empty but we'll change it to pump pumped or empty i guess because I guess
why don't you say pump to an empty state that's the Yeah it's the safest way to word that okay the next one is do we do this do the with the septic tank under 1500 gallons must be replaced with a
1500gallon tank or larger do we keep that or do we not keep it my feeling is that we do keep that that commetro with the age of the tank yeah as you know they're all at least 40 years old so say someone has a thousand
in what instance would someone have a thousandgalon tank that's in excellent condition i saw one I saw one today or this week that not today this week that I said probably it was probably but I don't
know that uh but if you say if if our goal is to replace the 90% of them that are no good and the 10% that might make it for
another five years you replace at that point then you and it's at a time when someone's selling the house and going to make the profit on the house anyways or is your goal to say we want to let the 90 that were no good
go just so the the 10% that could have made it five years get a chance to do it no you didn't answer my question Dick what is the What is the youngest tank out there in town that's a thousand
gallons oh do you think there's one 10 years old that's in existence okay how about Well if you if you look at at when did Title Five go in well the newest Title Five
was 95 okay that's 30 years ago so that's the newest one and I think I I remember Bob Sheen senior lobbying for some thou a few
thousandgalon tanks when Bob was still alive yeah i I can't remember Bill and I think the situation would be a ledge tank when they have one of these situations where they had high bedrock and they wanted to
put in the ledge tank and I think the ledge tanks only came in thousandgallon tanks at maybe but I can't remember ever approving a thousandgallon tank on a repair
now that does I'm not saying I can't remember having a thousand gallon tank retained and used in a repair but I'm saying I cannot remember ever giving a permit for a thousandgalon septic
tank but as a minimum as a minimum you just said 95 what happened what was around in 86 in 86 you had the 80 the 1983 title five what I call the light title five was in existence from 83 to
95 it had the it had the old loading factors the old EPA loading factors and I think in the in in that version of title five you could use a thousandgalon tank yeah see I don't think so but but
uh I have a copy of that i'll I'll dig it up at some point look at it well we can bring this one let's do it for next week but if you said 96 you know you're talking about at least they're at least 30 or so yeah
okay but I think you're if you look it up I think you're going to find out that in the 80s it was 1500 okay which then puts it out 40 or 45 years you know the only thing you could do which is a
double-edged sword is that you could tell the thousandgalon tank you can keep the thousand with the provision that you put in an effluent filter the problem with that is is a one compartment tank and an effluent filter
you got to design the effluent filter very very carefully you just cannot use any you can't use any old effluent filter with a two compartment you can use any effluent filter you're not going to have a problem with a one compartment you got to be very very careful
but anyway we can come we can come back to this yeah we'll talk about that next time yeah the next one is the called high water table must be determined by a licensed soil
evaluator doing a soil evaluation witnessed by a representative of the gran board of health the determination could have been made up to 10 years before the title 5 inspection we could go you could there's things if it's a ID5 guy that did it i
mean if it's a soil evaluator maybe you don't put any date maybe you cross out the determination could be made at least up to 10 years maybe you just say it could have been made anytime yes okay what do we think about the rule in
general i think it's good do we want to get rid of the date yeah what What year was that enacted Dick 98 the what what one that this one that we
had our regulation this is I I don't know how long we've had this but but again it wasn't many years after the whole bit with soil evaluators was promulgated
right so we didn't really think too much about what's going to happen 30 years out well it's now 30 years out that's right so so you're right i think we ought to get rid of the date because if it was done appropriately back in 95 and it's
30 years hence it's still fine worth that what do you think Lee yeah I mean the the the date part of it yeah we could uh say bye to that i think the basic information of
having it done professionally at some point in time is is what we're after um and it should carry forward as long as it was done obviously correctly from the get-go whether it's two years or 20 years old
it's still valid data so yeah that's my that's my thought on that yeah the next one is one that we just talked about but the subsurface soil absorption system must be replaced if there's less
than 24 in of separation between its bottom and the tall high water groundwater i moved that today we up until I wrote this it was we had 36 in
well okay but but that's the topic we're going to kick around next week is that I'm sorry in two weeks is that correct yeah dick Dick I would I would recommend that you and Lee review those Connecticut I I sent you three images from the Connecticut code that you got to study you got to study those very
carefully okay I will do that so we'll skip that i've got those now here's one here's one that we don't have and it's that it's one where the
the system is grossly under sized so that I say that subsurface soil absorption system must be replaced if its capacity is less than 60% of the current design standard for the
potential use of the structure now do we want to have We've got one that Greg Everson I think it was Greg I shouldn't think some
guy on New Low Road went and he did an inspection and he had all that was left of the the leashfield was 18 in of clay pipe
and the inspector said "I can't find anything in here that says this is no good." And he says "It's a pass." So the clay pipe didn't go to any chamber or anything didn't do anything wow maybe someone It was on new level
road it was in sand it may be that there was one old person that lived there but He says "Look at none of the things that that you talk about for title five
fail." So it passes and he said the size of the system does none of that matters and he's right that's what title five says and when I said 60% you know you could put 50 you could
put none you could just say this doesn't matter it doesn't matter how small it is or you could say there's a problem with issuing a percentage because then you've got to guesstimate what the loading factor is to do the calculation so you I
did it on based on the potential the potential use of the building that's the way I but give them the benefit of the doubt give him 74 figure out how many square feet you have do the calculation show it's only 2% of the required area and then he's
he's failed but what is the number that if we're going to do it what is the number you want to put 50% whatever you guys think i'm I'm good with any of those numbers well you're the you're the scientist so I don't know Dick what do you think 60 seems like an
unusual number why don't we do like a round number like 50%'s a nice round number or 50% let's go let's do Let's do 50% it's a nice What do you think Lee yeah 50 works i mean what uh because at
that point in time they have to grab an engineer anyway and they're going to have to bring it up to the code and include of course loading factor soil water table the whole bit but yeah there is a there does seem a gap here
where you can have three feet of pipe running to nowhere and it's functioning yeah I'm I'm guessing what the engineer would do is they'd go in there with a hand augur grab a sample of the representative soil under the leech
field bring it to the lab have it have a civ analysis done figure out where in the textural triangle it fits assign a USDA soil group come up with the appropriate loading factor run the calculation and see what happens that's
the way to do that more than likely what he's going to do is some kind of wing it and he's going to say you know this is a class one or class two soil well and we're gonna and they better do better than that they
better substantiate that instead of guessing at least grab a sample for crying out loud and it turns out it's only going to be we're not going to have many of these that are like that we're only catching catching the bad ones because most of these that we have are all title five systems that we That's
right that already done yeah that's a good question Dick out of all the systems in town how many systems do you think have not been upgraded since 95 what percentage [Music]
question you mean just a wink you your yours and mine are are in that ballpark yeah what would you say 20% 10% 5% i would get I would guess it would be in
the 20% range okay yeah it's funny because that's about the same number I was going to say there's a lot of older houses that have simply been in the family and um never been touched yeah but as you go down the road
and you look at look at whether there are new houses or old houses around and uh in fact a couple months ago I just was driving around I said you know what if you look back since I've been on this
board what this town looked like before and the the times that during new perk season that I I do 120 perk and you say wow this it really really changed so just you know plus some of
those got fixed so I think the number I think it's well under 25% okay so so one in five roughly one in five that's a I think that's reasonable i
think that's fair yeah the next one that I hear all this stuff that the engineers talking and I don't think there are many left and that's cesspool and I just said cess poolool should be replaced and in our town more than
likely they're not working right they're probably below the water table there just and I if you ask how many cesspools there are I would be really surprised if it's one out of 50 you know the pool
cess pools are typically six feet deep maybe five feet deep maybe only four feet deep but the problem is that means the bottom of the cesspool is probably six to seven feet below grade and unless you're in an area with a super low water table they wouldn't even function
Right right so I can I can support that how about you Lee absolutely yes we also have the the last one we have is the a portable water test including
nitrogen must be conducted on lots served by shallow by a shallow well or lots with loadings of more than 110 gallons per day per 10,000 square feet that that's I think I think that's our
current regulation i I think that's a that's that's prudent that's that's prudent practice i think that's good that is good well we can come back to the the other what time we're getting oh we're late now we We're going to have to stop
yeah we better knock it off for tonight so we our next meeting I think I think we're going to be face to face i don't think we're going to have to meet face to face no no I think we're good oh by the
way um and I got notice of this for conservation next month uh on the 8th the 8th there's some sort of town meeting so we've moved conservation to April 9th
so we can't we can't meet I don't think we can meet the ETH either if it's meeting we can't Yeah there's some sort of Yeah Kathy Leonard said we can't meet on the ETH at least she told conservation that yesterday
you might want to check into that oh I think there is a special town meeting they're okay discussing the new uh the West Street building there well that's that's tonight isn't there anformational meeting tonight there is anformational meeting tonight yes but
then they're going to have a town meeting regarding the funds to either knock the school down or renovate the school okay dick have they approached you on the Leechfield about that no
I Mark did a question we don't even want to go there we don't want to go there that place is if you want to see where the leaf field is do you know where it is
if you go I think it's from the center of town yeah on Crescent Street from the center of town up above as you start down the hill above the salt the old salt shed oh
you'll see a little flat area oh tucked in the rock oh and my understanding is that whole field behind the school that level field where the ball fields are
you can't dig a hole in there and that they actually went that on the on the north side of that field is an outcropping that runs from West Street to the northeast over to Crescent
Street and this is on the other side of the outcropping in the still in the outcropping wow so they're not down into the flat below it that's got high water table with sand so my guess is and it's
a little system and I think and I think O'Brimsky couldn't sell him any land because I think he's in 61A so that's going to be another issue if they want to get land from O'Brimsky oh boy okay that's going to be an
expensive system enough said so yeah I was curious you know the architects trying to put budget numbers together for this and they haven't even entertain the leechfield on this project i don't understand it at all
so in terms of this do we So we had moved our meeting to avoid yours Bill we moved ours from the 8th to the 9th but now you've moved yours to the 9th so we move ours to Monday the 7th
that's fine with me that's fine sure leave what sure okay do you want to also go 64 645 uh yeah if you guys want to that's more than fine
okay and I will I will do Zoom assuming that that this passes and and my understanding it is going to Well yeah yeah the governor said we're good for two years regardless of whether or not it passes in the House of Representatives really oh yeah i think
we're good for two years didn't you read it that way Colleen um I think it got signed yeah it got signed and then it was going to the governor's desk to be there two years yeah so okay everything's good so now let's
go on to our rest of our stuff i am oh first one is minutes are we okay with the minutes yes I I reviewed them yes yes and I am too Colleen so those are those are good okay
um Colleen time Colleen has got a normal 70 hour seat are we okay with that yes and Bill that's good yes of course i am too Colleen so that's approved
the next one is the accounts payable we've got $920 of that $470 are board of health permits 450 board of health licenses and
that's it 920 for the for March 25th are we okay with that one that's good i am yes the next one is temporary food license for the Grand
Beef Preservation Society it's a one-day temporary food license for May 10th 2025 for the May craft fair are we set with that good
yes y I am too so that's the proof okay the next one is I'm going to give you uh it's like four renewals for installation
uh installers permits and the renewals one is and I'm going to do them together and if we have questions we can look at them for excation plus Jerome Talbot of Mson the next is Brian Roberts doing
business as Lello Excavating of Lello then Katawit Custom Home Don Katawit of Belertown and finally M santos Construction Manuel Santos are we okay
with all four of those renewals yes yep i am too so those are all the next one that I have is a application for well construction permit
it is Bradway it says zero Carver Street it's map 16 lot it's like 17 810 and the location
is shown on Allan Weiss's approved drawing uh the well is dimensioned and from high point and that's where they're planning to put it
for Allen and we place it and we approve are we okay with that one dick is that a 60,000 square foot minimum lot that is I think this one i have
to blow it up for me to read it wow and always has it on here sometime what happens is I've got a Allen sends it to me as a a Dsized drawing and then when I get
it here I'm going to put my head lamp on so I can get it bright enough to see where'd you get that Dick um I I might have gotten it it could be Amazon oh it's not but it's waterproof
those are handy and I use it for fishing yeah let's see it is 6.04 acres oh okay a non-issue then so are we okay with that one
i believe you okay yes I am thank you the next one is 114 Morgan Street and this is also by Cushing uh this
lot trying to see this is 38,000 so it's about 10 acres built and this is the same thing that this is the approved Allen White design that that with the the well located and we
approved it yeah yeah i I saw that plan come through the other day yeah okay leah are you okay with this too yes yes thank you okay telling that to Okay the next one by the way I did get
called to pool on I think it's 67 Morgan Street or 87 Morgan Street a burn a barn that got burned down the day before yesterday oh yeah that was that um Rajan Concrete's place
oh it was yes it was oh my god that was a hell of a fire wow it was a nice barn and when I got there it was essentially out they had fire district number two and it was really nice to look at the
equipment they had they had I think two or three six inch hoses feeding it and they had a it must have been I don't know why fire district number one has a a ladder truck but he
had a a ladder truck with a a big gun up on top of it so they were blowing water down inside of it and but luckily there no one no one was living in the barn uh in fact Mish was just leaving when I got there and I think that's her
uncle and uh she said that he's in Canada so he wasn't home wow but it's it's a long way away from the house it's probably 150 feet back i I know that was a nice It was a nice barn a very nice barn
the next one that I have is from Barry Codair for an request for an extension on lots three and five on Chabe Street both of them were done allan Weiss did both of the perk
tests they were done on on April 11th 2023 and they're they're just looking for the extension the they're both the sand um one of them perked slower one was a four minute and the other three
minute four and three minutes uh the other was two minute stuff but but uh I don't see any reason why we couldn't extend them to to the four years to April 11th 2027 for both lots
yeah that's right those are across from the gun range they are yeah they might be tough to sell but that's not a problem they might very well be yeah yeah we can improve those of course it's a funny It's a funny little When you get
in there there it really changes soil as as you get further to the south the the plateau that that's kind of high that's on the gun range plateau kind of disappears it comes into the into Chabe
Street and it gets to be really nasty soil as you move up towards the road and then we he did some wetland permitting with us a couple of years ago and you go out about 100 or 200 feet and then you go down you go down about 15 feet and it
flattens out again so did you do the perks up on the higher plateau or the lower plateau well they end up they perpet areas well actually it's like two different areas the the main upper plateau and then as he moved to the
south he he kind of scrambled because there's wetlands down on that southern side it drops down toward there's some soil that had been moved around in there yeah and then as you move towards like the middle of the lot and drops down
there Bill there's there's a spot there's a road that goes around and and there's some lower some area that was that's okay and then there's a pond of some sort that Yeah there's an isolated pond is there a weird pond in there yes
there is it's got like a It Well no it looks like it's got a system for filling or draining and and it's strange and then you go further to the the west and it goes into a I think it's a pine
forest that was painted that was planted it was a forest that you'd expect that that people doing water conservation would put you know those dense pine forests that they Yeah that they plant that so it's a there's a whole bunch of stuff happening in there but these it's
fine for these lots okay okay I've got two title five uh one of them is the one that that I did on that I witnessed on Sixthwood Avenue they did
do the they did it ended up that that whole thing almost didn't happen and at the last minute they said "Yeah we'll do it." the lawyers were involved and and uh they they also dug down and we went
down like 10 feet and there was no water and it was it really was a p a path and and they Neil Jackson sent that in uh the the next one is four porter 3 now
that that's Peterson's house that's the one that that we were dealing with that that Oh yeah they want to put in the the the antique auction the auction house right now it looks like they must be selling it oh and it it
looked like it's a 1500gallon tank now there's a there's a case where it's five bedrooms with a what was it a 20 by 45 bed so it's not a very big
system but uh looked like it was that was um that was Alan Weiss actually where is where is the system with respect to the street and looking at the house to the right of the driveway oh so you
were right Lee when we said that people are going to be parking cars on the system you were absolutely right then oh absolutely well yeah only because only because I had been there with Allen during the install but yeah yeah it was
just nowhere to to accommodate that business enterprise in that location mhm so so anyways it it was a it passed and and since it was a a modern title five
repair I I didn't see it wasn't a it wasn't a problem with septic tank size and it wasn't a problem with water table so are we okay with both of those yes yeah that's good by the way
u both Neil and Allen told me that lots of towns are now taking these Title Five inspections seriously that they're they're putting conditions on them and just not taking what what the state says is a title five
task so So what do you what what do you what do you mean well it towns are looking and saying you know if the water table's too high they're not letting it go if they're looking at tank size if they're
looking at at the the size of the leech fields being you know grossly under under sized that that they're saying "Oh you're going to have to fix this." Oh oh so so some t some towns were just going
strictly by the the 15 CMR 310 criterion really yeah kind of like what we were doing saying you know if the state says there's a pass and you just let it go instead of saying let's read what it really says on on the regulations and
and and we ought to learn about what it says okay um I didn't I didn't look at the eight West Street or West
State Street dumpster has anybody looked at that on the neighbor's property line i did a driveby the other day there's a green green dumpster literally on the property line it can't be any more addict than 15 to 20 feet to the
fellow's uh door at his apartment it's right next to his apartment and I guess he was complaining about odors Colleen wasn't he yeah he Well he's afraid of when he's going to be opening his windows that there will be the odors it's so close yeah I did I
didn't do an extensive review Dick but I drove by and I looked at and sure enough there's a dumpster right on the property line near the fellow's front door on his apartment is it worthwhile to asking just to make give a call and and ask him
if they can move it yes yes yeah call the the the What is what's 413 dumpster he's a nice guy give him a call yeah he's a nice guy so we've got
what Colleen you've got PH emergency preparious preparedness yeah um I don't know if you guys had a chance to look at that but that's something that um was sent it's a framework for the
standards duties and they recommended doing with the entire board i mean I don't know who hand I mean there's a lot of questions here i don't know who handles all of this would handle would handle all of this for Graanby um it kind of does have a
suggestion as I mean Chris Martin was the emergency management director right so a lot of that I guess maybe falls with that like the TA but um I just wasn't sure
um who to put in these spots for Is it more disaster preparedness type stuff yeah prevention and mitigation uh preparedness response recovery so it's a lot it's a lot of questions that I just
not so it's kind of like if there was a plane crash at Westo or something human something I think so for Yes okay yeah you know we used to do that with Jeff McFersonson but
but I don't know if if Jeff I I didn't see his the only names I I found were I think I think I saw him in Dunkin Donuts about six months ago dick I think he's still around i would definitely make the call to maybe to
Ira and Ira Bzinski is not they fired him he's gone you're kidding they they released him last Monday at the selectman's meeting chris Chris Martin is acting town manager now that's my understanding that's my
understanding chris's car was at town hall yesterday yeah he is filling it till I was I was with Jeremy Carrier on a project and we we chitchated about it for about five minutes do you want me to give Chris a call and see about what this is please
do please do okay I will do that you know another guy in town that's retired um from Amoris Fire who did all their code work was uh Michael Roy over on Bachelor of
course back on board too Dick i saw that i saw that in the paper yeah Russ is terrific he's back i I'm guessing he won't want to get involved with something like this but I'm glad they got him as a temporary fire chief that's fabulous and so he's only
temporary it's not a full Yeah yeah okay okay let me start with Chris okay and I'll I'll send him this um this uh Excel sheet just so he's
aware of what you're talking about when Okay yeah when this guy opens up yeah it ended up that I've been a lot of calling and talking
to the Brian Oul about Wood Avenue and there the other the owner has had an attorney and and it finally as we went and forth we were getting close to the point of saying and all Neil Neil and
actually Brian looked at the meeting that that we had where I said to Neil you know Neil you wrote down that the thing passed when you didn't look at the tank and you didn't know where the water table is but you signed off saying it
passed and that that it's your name on it and and what as we went back and forth with with Brian with Brian and me that we were getting close to saying you know if the board of health could come
to this the hand that's saying you know the water table looks like it's not so close to the bottom of the leech field that it's going to cause an environmental problem and you think the tank isn't really a problem that's so bad that you
think it's an environmental problem that maybe you just ought to say you know Neil you're the one that worked for the person you're the one that signed off on it you're the one that has a license to do this if you want to wear it it
doesn't say any place in the code that the board of health has to do something about this and if it fails you be the one that carries that goes to civil it's a civil case that's exactly yeah and and I said to Brian I said 'You know Brian
we can always send out a letter to the owner and the real estate agent saying you know we're going to have a regulation that that says that that the water table should be checked and the and that the tank should be replaced but
we don't have it but we think that a 40 or 50 year old tank is is not one that you could expect not to be problematic and just send it out and then let Neil and when it goes bad if
Neil thinks it's good let Neil the courts feel that that someone should pay for it other than new owner then let them deal with Neil and and Brian said you know it's not really fair to have the town keep his clock running and
billing and as it turns out it it it kind of fell into place and we could get it done but but anyways that's what it is so that's it with that dick did you happen to review the
changes on one Jennifer Drive was that We did not do that you know I was just wondering if you had done it you just let me know when it's good i did not i will look at it and Okay so I will do that i'll see if I can do that tomorrow yeah dick one thing on the one Jennifer
Drive if you look at the cross-section it shows a new trench going in on top of an old trench but there is some language in the document that says the old trenches shall be removed but I'm guessing the contractor may not read it
that carefully so you better emphasize the fact that those old leech trenches shall be removed prior to bringing in the fill for the new trenches i will tell him that because I've already told him and I also told him I said you need
to to put in there that he needs because he he put in that he wanted to inspect the bottom after they put the sand in before they they put the the units in
and I I told him exactly that that same thing so then I said "You got to you've got called out that you're going to remove some trenches." He said "You need to look at that hole when those trenches have been stripped you don't want to wait till someone's thrown sand on it."
And I said "The board of health has to see it too." And you you need to put it on the drawing so I'll make sure it's there and I'll make sure that Good and hopefully hopefully whoever puts it in will will need a a new license from
us and we can talk to them about it okay how's your eye um hold on one one second Dick hold on one second i got to answer this call i'll be right back okay so actually what we could do is we could
if Bill's not fast enough hope good night for him i'm surprised you told me that Neil was back on Wood Avenue because last week he made note to let me know for sure that
he had resigned and quit that job okay okay well Neil told me that he says "I'm going to go and I'm going to I'm going to say that I'm rescending the the the drawing and I'm my report." And I said "You know Neil that thing's in our
file." I said "You can't just send something in and then say I changed my mind and go pick it up and tell Colleen you're going to go in our files and rip the stuff up." I said "If you've got something that says your report is is not accurate put something in writing
and get it on a file that it's not accurate but you can't go into our files and take stuff out that that's public record and throw it away so well yeah but that's he he was a little bit uh
uh upset with the uh current land owner about the about the process yeah I told him I said you know Neil if the thing if the thing goes to a lawyer or goes to a court I said I certainly
would testify the the truth that the board has a policy and told you and I told you that we were going to make thousandgallon tanks be replaced with 1500 i said that's what we told you so for you to be acting on that that's you
know that's what's the truth i said "Well where it's false it's false but that's what the truth is." So so anyway I mean that's basically all there was yeah that's the ideology of the whole thing yeah and I said I I believe that
even Lee said on the record that that while he was out there that he told you that the tank was going to have to be replaced i said "I think that's on record." And and I said "So yeah we did mention that right then and there." Yeah
but I said "The problem still comes out you shouldn't put your name on things that says something that's not true." Sure so yep so it looks like it it did get resolved so other than that so So Bill you're So
Dick following up on my eye the acuity is good but I'm getting a little cloudiness in my my right eye so he may have to do a a couple more laser shots yeah have you ever heard
when it happened that as I said that is truly truly a non-event that I've had it i had unfortunate he said it happens out of 50% of the eyes okay and it happened on both of mine but it it is a procedure
that you drive your car to it puts you in this little closet oh yeah i I've been there i've had it I've had it done for a glaucoma so I'm used to that okay so did it did it get rid of the cloudiness oh yeah it did it absolutely did oh good okay that's good that's good
then and it's all done it's not and it's a kind of thing that you you go in with it and you go out with you're all better you drive home you don't need it you don't need anybody to drive you it doesn't hurt okay doesn't do anything okay good that's good news then so yeah
because right after the procedure it was really good and then it started getting a little cloudy and it's been getting cloudier every week so I think in July he's going to give it a couple of zaps so it'll be fine okay no more but the acuity the acuity
is terrific yeah and so my and my knee I went I got my sign off today my fiveweek sign off wow and he said you know some people are lucky they said you you end up that some people end up being superhuman performers he said you happen
to be a h a superhuman performer that I can walk up and down stairs i can do anything I want it's just wow and so No noise no creaking no pain no oh and he and he says the only thing he said it's
he says that they've got some things that they didn't try on me he thought they did but he says you know they we didn't try it but they've got some nerve thing that he says works but but he says you know he says too much of this is is
kind of undeterminable when you when you do this he says I can end up with two people with the same exact X-rays and everything that as far as we can tell is the same and you get different results
and and he says "It's really strange." And he said "When I talked to the other surgeons about the same thing and he says that's what's happening." He says "There's not enough known about what's causing this." And he says "I'm" He says "Some of that maybe is me not being good
enough and understanding enough what I should be doing with the nerves that are running in there." He said "I'm not positive." He says "And but we're finding that it looks like people with strong quadriceps do way better." So maybe the 40 minutes a day that I
spend on the bike excellent nothing but but I had also told him I said 'You know I stopped when I stopped going to the the physical therapist that I was up to and I said I've got a
physical therapy table in my my living room on it i've got a a board with tape and measurements and what Chris does is she'll There's one thing where you put a strap on your ankle and you pull it back to to stretch your ligaments and and I
don't know if I told you but but the the last test that they gave me but my I could flex to 138 degrees you were telling me it's done yeah and I had asked them I said "What is what's the number that you guys get on the last
day?" And they said "They said "Sometimes we get people that are as good as you at 138 degrees." And I said "Well I can I can probably still be pulling and stretching." And then when I got home my son asked me he says "What
do you think is a good number that you should be shooting for?" And he looked it up and he says "You know they're happy with anything over 100 degrees 120 is really happy." And I said 'Well now that you say that we ought to look at
what the joint Let me look up in the joint design and see what the joints good for that joint's only good for 150 degrees and so when I talk to the doctor C can you do situps
uh I don't do that's not one of my exercises i I do leg lifts and I do squats but I don't do situps i should do that for my stomach yeah go and you don't How about deep knee bends
not I don't go I probably go down to about 10 degrees below horizontal to the floor so not deep deep not deep deep because I do that every morning that's one of the things I
have to do three reps of 10 with with that but but when I told him that I said 'You know I decided maybe I better stop pulling and trying to stretch some more he says "Yeah." He says "That's a very good deal." He said "Don't keep You're
kidding don't keep stretching it here." I saw "Is that a syringe in them?" No no she's got her E tube she's got a little E tube oh yep she gets her meds she's doing really well her her creatinine numbers down
she's really chipper she's doing really well oh that's her port oh yeah that's her feeding port huh yeah it And you just got to maintain it i go in for maintenance every once in a while and it's it's really super easy to use you can give her the right food you can give
her meds you can give her water but she eats on her own as well but the nice thing about this stick is you can give her the proper meds and you don't have to worry about them running away from you yeah so it's it's a really it's a it's it's a good system believe me and
it doesn't seem to bother her no no so she gets used to it so okay that's it i'll let all of us go okay so we're saying Monday the 7th of April yeah of
Monday at 6 at 6:45 okay i will do that and I will so Colleen if you could do us a favor and cancel our what do we have a reservation yes I will the library the old library i
will okay if you could do that and how are you feeling Colleen uh yes good everything worked out good so thank you okay have a good night everybody excellent everyone okay thank you all you too okay bye now bye bye good night folks