Cloud. Okay, it looks like we are we are recording >> and since Bill Shaheen won't be here, we should be able to go through for a bill, your appointment is at 7:15.
Lee, as long as you're here, maybe we can and go through some of these things and and uh just in the event that someone wanted to hear what Bill had to say, we won't start start you early. And u so in terms
of uh minutes, I did review the minutes. Colleen, I don't think I had any I don't think I had any changes. Uh, did you send it back to me? >> I thought I did, but now I'm wondering
>> if that's if if you don't remember seeing them, then why don't you let's let's not do these minutes tonight. Could you please send them out again to all of us? >> Yes, I will. >> And we'll do that. Is that okay, Lee?
Because I It's possible that I didn't do That's a good idea. Yeah. >> Okay. So, we'll we'll do that and we'll do the minutes the next meeting. Colle both of them. >> Okay. >> The next item that I have is Colleen's time sheet.
That is so that's the time sheet for the weekending the 10th of January. And Miss Colleen has got the normal 70 hours for these two weeks. Are you okay with that, Lee? >> Yes, I am. Thank you.
>> I am telling also. So, that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next one is the >> the payments >> to the treasurer. >> Somehow I'm getting some feedback there
and I'm not sure why that's happening. >> You're getting it. It sounds like an echo of what you're saying. >> I know. And And I'm not sure what the reason is, whether it's whether it's going in and out through somebody else. I'm not sure.
Let's see if we can proceed. Uh for payments to the treasurer will total $775 for this period. Of that, $475 is board of health permits. two two $475
$250 for board of health licenses and then $50 for board of health fees totaling the $775. Are you okay with that, please? >> Yes. Yep. >> Yes, >> I am too.
>> Okay. The next one is a a renewal for the Church of Christ congregational church and it is for the whole church and social special events. It's for this
whole year. It's renewal. Are you good with that, Lee? >> Yes. >> It's a food license, by the way. >> Yeah. >> Yes, I am. Two callings of that. >> Okay. The next one is a uh there
actually there's three of them. It looks like there I I'll read them. It it's for the same thing. It's for uh Chartwell Food Service at Graby Junior Senior High School.
It is and and that one is a permit to operate a food establishment. The next one is for the same thing to sell milk and cream. The next one is a food food
establishment. All of these are over 25 ft. And for Chartwell also for East Meadow. The next one is Tartwell again for milk and cream for
the year for East Meadow also. So uh so that four of those and for the whole year for the two the two schools are we okay with those four please? >> Sure. Yes
>> I am too. So they're done. >> Okay. The next one is a renewal for Wickedly Wild Gourmet Sauces. Lori LeBlanc at 96 Ferry Hill Road and it's a renewal for license for a
residential kitchen. This one would be pending lens inspection. Are are we okay with that, Lee? Okay, I am too. So that's >> okay. The next one is retail. Let me see
if there's more than one here. There two of them. It's it's a renewal for the year for Red Fire Farms. The two licenses. One is retail food sales and the other is
to it's a store license for milk and cream also for the year for Red Fire Farm renewal. Are we all set up that late? >> Yes, I believe so. >> I am also
>> they um once they have their farm their new farm market, they'll also have to get a food uh establishment. >> Yeah, they will have to do that. >> Yeah. So, this whether they're at, you know, this is the retail food and milk,
but that'll, you know, they'll need that additional one. So, >> Right. Okay, >> the I'm going to skip one of these and that that's for Leo I mean Josh Bugler and uh
Cougler Construction and that is well I guess we're going to have to deal with it anyways. Oh, no. This I'm sorry. This is Josh Fugler. Um,
so Josh Fugler fugler excavation. It's actually a double license. One of them is for a a accepted hauler where he says he'll be going at a dumping at Graanby South Edley and
Belgium transment plant did the renewal and the other is an septic installers license. Let's make sure that they're the same. They're both the fugler excavation
uh for the same for the year. Are Lee, are we okay with both of those? >> Yes, >> I am too, Colleen. So, they're approved. >> Okay. >> Next is
Tom Hock of Hock Water Contracting. It's a renewal and this is an installer's permit for the year. Septic installers disposal work installers permit. Are we okay with that, Lee? >> Yes, I believe so. Yes,
>> I am too, Colleen. So, that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next is a certificate of compliance for it for five country way.
It's signed by Allan White. It's solved by Josh Hugler. And it's an ads built. Lee, are are we okay with this one? >> Yeah, everything up there is fine. I was there several times and it came out just
right. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm agree with that coloring. So, we grant that. >> Okay. >> The next one is Victor Marino at 53 West Street.
It is a new 5500galon two compartment tank and distribution box. It doesn't say it's got an outlet filter, but u from Neil Neil Jackson. Are are we okay
with this one, Lee? >> Yeah. Um Carl's excavating put that in. maybe two months back. I'm not sure why it's coming in so late, but I guess it doesn't matter. >> In fact, it doesn't. It's 11125.
So, but we're okay with it. >> Okay. Yes. >> Okay. Counting. That's all all set. And it's got a It's an ads built and he's got a a drawing with it. >> I have I have to bring I I just I just need a minute. I'm in Hoy. I have to
bring something out. Um >> Okay, >> I'll be right I'll be right back. >> Sorry. >> Okay, that's okay. >> And we're getting up before we went through this nice and quick. This is going to be a fast meeting without
without hearing a a little just a little agenda. >> Yes. Should be quick. >> Let's see what I did with While Lee's gone. I'm going to look at somehow or
other I misplaced my agenda. Oh, here he is. I usually have that right in front of me and I flip through the pages and put them off to the side. >> It is interesting when I talked to my my other brother
about the diseases and his his wife works at the Chapie sewage treatment plant and they do test for diseases. Mhm. >> And um but the other brother that I talked to
that was sick said that the data he's seen is that the flu is going that that CO is not moving very quickly but that the flu is going through the roof. It's just going >> the rate that it's increasing is like straight up. But my the brother with a
wife at the treatment plant said that they in fact are seen a huge amount of CO and >> and and flu and yet he's seen at his practice he says he he's virtually seen no CO
>> and all he can think of is that that the symptoms of the CO must be so light now >> that people either aren't even testing for for it or they they don't recognize that they get it. But he said there has
to be a reason a disconnect for the number of >> cases that they're seen in the the sewage versus the number of patients that he's seen in his >> Wow, that's interesting. It is a very mild case.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you for um uh that that that delay. >> Okay. I just said to tell Colleen while we were kind of killing time is that my
brother Glenn said that his wife at the sewage treatment plant and in Chipe is seeing huge amounts of COVID and huge amounts of flu in the in the wastewater but he's not seeing any patient
literally any patient with COVID and he says it just all he can think of is that the cases must must be so so mild that people are either not even testing for it or they're they're just that they
don't even know they have it. And but he said he does doesn't he he's not not having any prescriptions for for backloid. He said it just isn't there. Mhm.
>> Uh but Gary told me that that he's seeing the the uh concentration of of flu that the state is putting out that that they're saying that on their data that the flu is just going the slope of
the graph on it is going straight up because he's never seen it go like that at all. It hasn't even started to try to flatten out. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Interesting. Not good news, but interesting. Just the same that the CO
is so low. >> Yeah. >> Unless they're just assuming that it's a flu because it's if it's a mild strain >> of the CO, then they would just think in their head that it's flu flu but and not not test out for CO. >> Yeah.
One of the the last one that last one that I have is a a application for disposal system permit for a septics tank for Sunny Stewart on 303 East State
Street. Now that's that's the system that was really really deep and we said we thought I thought that it was perhaps underwater. They should do it. Yeah, I remember that. >> And And it seems like just replacing the
tank without understanding where the water is isn't a smart thing to do. No, I thought uh there was a suggestion if I remember correctly at the last meeting to do a uh re re-evaluation and
maybe a deep pole on that site, >> but I don't know what that was the last I last I heard of it. >> Okay. So, so Colleen, we should not approve this septic tank application. We should let this was uh Greg Everson I
think is the one that Yeah, it's Greg. We should let him know that that's not approved. >> Okay. >> That system could end up needing a pump and the whole thing could be having to lift this up. It could be a big deal. >> Okay. So, they need a deep hole. Yeah,
they need a deep hole with an engineer determining where the water table is. And >> okay, >> that's the one that was all that when we got I forget what it was, but it was it was crazy. It was like a 50-y old system
and and no one had done dug holes and we didn't know really what the soil was, whether they were on the rock, whatever. So, we we were going to be doing a soil expo exploration. So, with that, we really should be able
to go to our guests tonight. And I don't I I'm hoping Bill stayed with us. >> I'm still here. >> See if we can get them back. Can you hear me? I called in.
>> Okay. So, can you can you tell us a bit? We I know I think at the last meeting Bill Saheen had said something about what he was he was up to out out there
with you, but and Colleen definitely sent out um a copy of your letter, which was in fact maybe I'll I'll just tell you what I know from what Colleen
has already sent to us is okay. She sent a she sent a copy of of your letter. She's sent including the data on the the water testing. the it had the pictures
that you had with it that >> okay >> that show a pipe that's coming on your side of the road across East Street from the the house at the at the uh northeast corner of the intersection
of South Street and East Street which used to be the Fontaine house may still be the Fontine house and it Colleen also showed so that it showed I'm guessing
the pictures you sent them, Bill. But what Colleen also sent to us is a copy of the design of a septic system that's over on the uh the east side of the house. The whole
east side of the property uh is a leech field that was designed and installed in 1991. Uh they did not put a new septic tank. It was a,250 galon septic tank that they reused
at the the soil log showed that the part of the it looks like the design was done in November of 91. and didn't see models. They didn't see rust in the
soil. They called water out. I think I just saw that it was like 76 in down in the ground. It did show that the system or the soil that they dug in was definitely filth.
It started with top soil and then a subs soil and then and then glacial till and then sand and then glacial till again and the water was just a little bit into the second layer of glacial pill. So it indicated to me that that it was a lot
that was filled. And that drawing also shows that be between the leak field and the house near the septic system, septic tank,
there is a drain that doesn't go, it runs basically parallel to South Street. So it runs kind of north south. It doesn't tell us anything about where the either end of the drains is are. On
the drawing, it shows one end kind kind of near the septic tank and the other is kind of near uh East Street and it the drain does not appear to be
in the same spot, but we don't know where it goes. But the drawing of the drain kind of ends in a different spot than where the pipe going across the road is. And the pipe that you've shown
going across the road looks to me like a probably an 8 in steel kind of pipe that I would expect the town have has installed. Not a not a
land. So that's that's what I know and your pictures show liquid coming out to daylight on your side of the road and it go kind of a puddle and we saw as it said that that you saw bacterial
contamination in the liquid and you had a picture in a jar of some pretty black liquid. So that's that's what I know right now. >> Okay. Well, well, let me I'll give you a little history and I I mentioned to
Colleen, you know, when she says uh she or you know, my complaint and actually the the I moved here in December of 24, so I'm I'm I'm new to the area. And um we moved in in December
of 24 and obviously winter, snow, and that I didn't I didn't look much around the yard or anything like that. And then come spring, I noticed on the corner there was some healthy vegetation
growing there. Uh so I I I go over there and I noticed the picture kind of you saw the there's a small pool. It's black. Uh it it goes it I've monitored a couple times and there's it goes from
almost nothing to it being filled up and the actual pipe is is uh uh that runs underneath the road is about 3/4 full. Um, so you know, and as Bill when Bill
came out, you know, he he could see that, you know, if you stir it, there's a definite odor, you know, so I I was cons I was concerned. Um, and so I I didn't I still don't know exactly how I,
you know, how we should handle this, but you know, I wanted to make sure. Uh so I took the water, sent it up to Quabin analytics up in Belure Town and the only thing they could really do for me is to measure uh and eat coli count. So uh
that was part of the report or the letter that I sent you saying that there was very high coli. uh bill came out probably uh sometime in September to take a look
based upon, you know, uh my letter and and we walked the area and um he sort of, you know, he he he kind of looked at the lay of the land and and the and the system across the street and
he he kind of indicated that, you know, it probably is, you know, a septic. Uh, it's not bad. I mean, this it right now it's only it's only this small pool. I'd
say roughly 3 feet by 1 and 1/2 ft that it looks like it was dug out by someone, but uh there's this little pool and it goes from filling up to like, you know, draining a little bit. nothing is
running out of it yet. And so I guess that was my concern is okay, there's a small what appears to be septic uh uh uh discharge sitting there and um
I guess I was trying to get some ad uh direction advice. I mean is it a concern? if it does it violate some sort of local um um uh like a a law or a
ordinance or whatever. Um and uh Bill suggested that what I do is just just keep an eye on it, see if it continues uh or if it kind of dries up or what happens. So, that's that's what I've
been doing. And uh I just, you know, that's that's what I'm doing. And I just figure um I'll if it if it does get worse or it continues, you know, I I will let you know. But at this point in time, I just been kind of keeping an eye
an eye on it. I don't because it's the low portion of my property uh running along South Street. You know, if anything drains in any of the pipes, there's actually another pipe running uh
across South Street, but you know, that's appears just to be uh rainwater and and that. So, I'm I wasn't concerned about that. But the other one up above that is discharging the the black
solids. Um, you know, I just I if if and it gets worse, what I guess my question is what do I do? >> I gave some thought to it. The same bill isn't here, but but uh and and
with the open meeting law regulations, we we can't talk about it. No two of us because there's only three of us. No two of us can talk about this stuff outside the meetings outside of posted meetings
because two people constitute a quorum and decisions and even most discussion can't occur in a quorum and a non-posted meeting. So, so not not having Bill here, uh, limit some of our our information
right now, but but I did after seeing what Colleen showed, I I was surprised. I I thought when I heard about this at the last meeting, I thought you in fact were talking about
the pipe that crosses South Street and that one I was familiar with at least the way the septic systems were installed. There's a huge huge amount of fill on those. I think there's three houses on that corner. And I remember
doing witnessing a per test. I remember watching us still be brought in and and I was pretty sure that those those houses weren't connected and and go into the service. However, once Colleen sent me the information, I don't know if Lee
had a chance to look at it, but once he sent me the information that that this was a 1991 system repair, which a long long time ago, so you know over 35 years ago. Um, and it was into shaky soil.
Um, even though the engineer had a it said that he had all the that still the bad spill taken out, we certainly know that if you look at the houses that are just we just had a system that was
repaired just to the the north of this house and it and when you drive by, you can look into the backyards and see the monster the monster hill of of sill that's back there because the water table's so
I'm I'm guessing I'm guessing that we'd find if we went back long enough that that pipe going across the road was one that the town put in and that it was probably put there to drain out a low
spot that was in that corner either before or after the fill was brought onto the property. Because if you look at that that spot that the pipe looks like it aims at, it kind of looks like
it aims at about where the garage door is in the basement of the house the street. I don't know exactly where it goes, but that's what it looks like. and which does not line up with the drain that's on Bob she the engineer's drawing
but but so I'm guessing that what you have is a pipe that was put in there to drain a low spot on that corner that probably used to flood and and run across the road and maybe freeze
but it was a pro I'm guessing a problem but I'm also going to guess that from the data that somehow that pipe that we don't know where it begins
and where it ends that that pipe may in fact get into that maybe maybe it was put there to stop a cellar from flooding because of that high water table. Maybe it goes and and picks up
>> picks up that layer of band that's down there four or five feet that that Bob Sheen's designed. So, and maybe it's actually maybe it goes out and drains that across the whole back of that property and to try to pick up the water
that was coming. So it could in fact be inadvertently put in in a way that the the new septic well the 35y old septic >> actually drains into it or goes when the
water flow the water table's high. Maybe the water flows into it more than when it's dry or more than when the system is used more >> that but but I'm guessing I'm guessing
>> that it's that pipe going through the or near the the system coming off of that line. I'm guessing that someone connected that pipe up to the pipe that goes across the street. So, >> if I were going and I guess it's going
to take us until the next meeting for to get Bill's input, but if it were just me right now and you called me up and said, "Hey, Dick, will you come and take a look at this?" Given what Colleen has shown to us, I'd be
saying, "You know what? The pipe on your side of the road appears to be on town property. I'm guessing it ends on the north side of the road on town property.
And I would think about if if Bill and Lee agrees, I would think about calling up Dave D. brocher at the town yard and say, "Hey Dave, when you get a chance, can you take one of your your little
machine and let's go and and dig up where we think is the north end of that pipe and let's see if there's something connected there." And because our the other option is to go to the guy next door across the street from you and say,
"Hey, let's let's fix this." and and say, "Oh, you got to dig up your your property." And then we found out, oh, nah, >> what really happened is there's the house, the next house to the east that the the the big house, the old house,
>> right? >> And say, "Oh, that's the one that actually has got a system hooked up to it or something." But but >> we don't know if anything's hooked up. and to start telling all sorts of people to dig up their yards probably right isn't going to fly very well.
>> Well, that that was, you know, having just moved in, I thought, boy, that's not a way to uh make friends with neighbors here by, you know, doing this. So, I I didn't want to take any action, but I just sort of wanted to get a feel for, you know, what what the situation
is. >> Yeah. I I I really do think we ought to go and and u see if there's something connected. That that's the first thing. If there's if there's black stuff on your side of the road, I'm guessing there's black stuff on the other side of
the road. And since it's on it's on town property >> and it's probably it doesn't appear to be very deep. >> It seems like asking the the town engineer if he can help us here and just
see what we have there and and find out what we have. If we've got pipes that whatever we we think we find, then we take some other course of action because the the town in your qu and your question of saying, "Hey, I'm a new guy.
Does this town think it's okay to have sewage running across the road into a little puddle?" No, we don't. >> Okay. Okay. >> We don't. That's That's something that we absolutely don't think is okay. And the Okay. And this board is
>> has a a reputation for not letting water courses get polluted and wells polluted and not have sewage on the top of the ground. We don't we don't >> Okay. >> So, >> well, so is that
>> so that part of it is >> the pipe. >> Okay. I was going to say is a the pipe that runs underneath the road on these streets. Um I guess one question is it necessary >> we don't know that we don't at this
point we don't know anything. >> Okay. Okay. So, so that's why I I would think we we might be surprised and find out that the town put that in and when they did they put this big
gravel basin in there and it it catches water and it's a critical thing for them to have. I'm guessing it's not otherwise there'd be an outlet for it >> and you'd be saying, "Gee, I've got, you know, 100 gallons of water flowing down my property from this pipe." But that's
not what you're seeing. So my guess is that it's not there for a good reason. And >> okay, >> and in a case like this, I I've been involved with a couple of them and
said, you know, where we can't tell where the problem's coming from, and it's a real big job to dig everything up. We don't want to we don't want to do it. Then if you find a pipe and you say, "Let's plug the sucker and one because
it's not supposed to be here. Let's plug it and see where it backs up and then you find out who owns it." >> Okay. Well, that does make make some practical sense there. Yeah, it's it's
kind of the pragmatic way of of saying, "Let's find out." And the and people will say, "Maybe it's not fair. Why'd you do that?" You say, "Well, if you're dumping too down the pipe, you shouldn't be doing it, and we're going to find out who's doing it." But that's I we'll sort
Bill to the next meeting. But that that's what I don't know how Lee feels about it, but it seems like that's an easy approach. It's we don't need to get anybody mad at us. It's on the town land. The towns could maybe do the work. It doesn't sound like a big job and we'd
learn a real lot when we do it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know what you're thinking is Lee, whether that that seems like a a good approach. >> No, that makes that makes perfect sense. Uh, I guess my only question is when we
have a rain or snow melt event, is there some measurable pooling of the water on your property? In other words, if we let's say there was a pool of water 3 ft across and you drove a stick in one side
and then like right now the the pooling may have been reduced or eliminated and then possibly we're getting some rain tonight. Will it repeat itself tomorrow morning?
Um, >> but you know, you know, the funny part of that is, you know, when uh I first saw it and then I would I'd go walk over, I'd cut cut grass or weed whack or whatever and I'd take a look and we had
a period we had a period in the summer where it probably didn't rain for two and a half, three weeks of any significant amount. And that that is when the pool was uh had the most uh uh
discharge in it. So I I didn't I didn't correlate it with rain or or anything like that. Um >> all right. So it sounds it's either a groundwater scenario or uh as Dicky
alluded to, it's a septic scenario. um by the sounds. But we again without getting some help from highway to um uncover that joint,
there is no way of telling what the source is even though there's some suspicion. >> Yeah. And and again, I I don't I I don't want to make a, you know, I try to minimize any impact I have on my
neighbor. >> No, no, I I get it. But but if but if the if the if you turn the coin over, you know what I mean? Um you would get the question asked of you and your
property and picking on anybody. >> Uh no one's being picked on here. It's just that if there is a a faulty system for some reason um and a
neighborhood uh again water quality, drinking wells, etc. need to be protected and um >> and and maybe you won't find this >> that we maybe we won't find this. Maybe we'll find some other thing. maybe that
we find that in and in fact that that what we've got is some kind of a basin over there and there's a dead raccoon in it and that's what this whole problem is or but >> and no one maybe no one knows that the if it's a septic system doesn't know
it's there but but at least this is a pretty a pretty easy fix well not a not a fix but a little investigation that doesn't dig up a lot of property. It doesn't it doesn't accuse anybody of anything. It just
says, "Gee, we found this stuff. Let's see if we can find where the source is." And if I think we have to wait probably until Bill comes is back with us because, you know, he's done some investigation. We certainly don't want to
>> just do something that he is a lousy idea. >> Yeah. There's no fingerpointing right now. We're we're just throwing some uh ideas back and forth to try to >> Yeah. >> come up with a plausible
uh place to start. >> Yeah. Well, Bill, if it's okay with >> if it if the idea the two things, one, if it's okay with you to for us to wait until Bill's at our next meeting and the
and the other is unless you say, "Boy, that just that's a crazy idea." then it's it's one that that I would kind of suggest to Bill, but from your standpoint to know that we don't think
it's okay and we won't the answer sounds like at least for and I know Bill is not going to say it's okay either. So So the three members of this board are going to be saying this is a worth worthwhile thing to find out what's causing it and
to stop it. So, >> okay. >> So, that would be >> Yeah, I agree. >> That's what we'd be telling you tonight. And if it's if it's okay, ask Colleen to put it on the next meeting agenda >> so we can discuss it and you can
certainly listen in or just wait to hear what we say. >> Okay. So, with that, you can >> you can stay with us and listen to the rest of our meeting or or you can be on your way. It's up to you.
>> Well, even though I'd like to hear what you're going to say, I'm I have a couple dogs here that are looking at me. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Have a good have a good night. >> Thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you, sir. The next is I bet there's two title five inspection report. One is uh 11 pheasant hill Allen Weiss that it fails. >> Lee, I'm guessing you saw that it fails
>> or not. I'm not sure. Allen's got a thing that >> Yeah, >> it was an art cement tank. Uh I think from the maybe the 50s or 60s. >> Um we're going to be at site tomorrow
morning to actually see if we can get a perk or take a sample up to UMass depending on the soil conditions. >> Wow. Wow. What this? Well, it is is this on the as you look up Fezant Hill, is it
on the the east side or the west side? Lake, >> um it's uh it's looking up the hill. It's on the left hand side uh heading towards uh Pleasant Street. >> Might find some better soil up there. And on on the right side, you got that
till that goes into that kind of wetland. on the left side. It kind of drops off further, but you've got the wetland at the base of that hill, too. >> Correct. >> Yes. So, it's
>> going to be a little little challenge. >> Okay. So, we're all set. We'll accept that one. >> It sounds likely we're Yes, we're we're okay at sales. >> Yeah. >> The next The next one I did take a look
at. It was uh 95 Taylor Street. So it it looks like it's the one that's way back in the woods that at the I think it's right at the base of uh what is that street that goes up that
that Jimmy Buck that No, not Jimmy Buckley. Yeah. Mike Buckley lived on and Bray Brooks. >> Oh. Um Hover Drive. >> Hover Drive. It looks like it's way up in there on the but not on that road. The the long driveway that goes what is
a big horse farm or something in there? >> No, that's uh the Humphrey property, >> right? The Humphrey property. And and they it just said that it it looks like it it's a conditional path, but it needs a new tank and
deboss. >> Yes, that's what we witnessed at the time. Yes. Okay. And that so that's a I did look at it looks like that was a a modern design that was done with a a a title five soil determination with water
table of 2 feet and built up to four feet above the water table. >> Yeah, this house is way up as you can tell way up on the hill. Yeah, >> but it sounds like we should we should just accept that as as needing the new
the new components and having a good a good leaf shield. >> Yeah, the liquid levels looked really good. Uh >> yeah, >> the components were just aged. That appears to be the only uh fault of the
system. Yeah, that's what it looks like is that it's probably a kind of lightly used system that the leech field stays okay, but the time just ate away the concrete of the two boxes
that um yeah, along that line. That's correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It didn't have a lot of of small family just again just a time situation of the concrete not lasting.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, Colleen will accept that. >> Okay. >> Uh now moving to our the next ones. Uh there's a complaint the tenant requesting water test from landlord.
Colleen is can you tell us I saw that but >> uh yes this tenant has been requesting I believe since she moved in um
in September I guess um for the landlord to provide her with a water test because she the water, I guess, has an odor and also she's getting a rash from the from the water. Um, so she doesn't want to
drink it and she really wants to just see a water test and she hasn't been able to get one. Um, and the only thing we had on file was something from like quite a I don't know 2016 way back. So,
um, she just wants to know like can she somehow get this water test from the landlord >> and she has when I again, Bill's not here, but this is back back to the
discussion we've had about should we make rental units be licensed? Should we require yearly water test? Should we require that they they provide water and and sewage when there's no power? That
so maybe we in fact I think that on the that two items down we're supposed to talk about it again. So Colleen, could you put that on our next agenda because it definitely Lee I I don't know how you feel but this
is a big enough thing that I think three of us should agree on what we're doing. over the years um his over the last couple of months that this type of scenario has come up multiple times. So at some point it's probably going to
you know not forced upon us but it has to be addressed. If I were renting someplace, I'd be saying, you know, I'd like to know if what you're telling me to drink is safe. >> That seems reasonable. >> And and uh but on the short term for for
this one, Colleen, I see a couple options. The easy one >> is to is to give the owner a call. Colleen, that that the the easy one would be if you gave the owner a call
and say, "Hey, could you just get this water tested that and and stop us everybody from >> from, you know, having to go through a lot here." >> Yeah, I can I I can certainly try that.
>> And sort of sort of that I guess if I if I were the tenant, I would tell the owner, you know what? If if Col if you ask Colleen to to the owner and they say no, then the owner
and then a tenant to say, you know what, I asked you this. I'm really afraid of it. You won't do this. I'm just going to get this water tested and take it out of my next rental check. Mhm. >> And and just be done with it and let the
owners know that that's what's going to happen and let them duke it out. If it were me, that's what I would do. >> Yeah. >> But I would start by saying, you know, that in fact, maybe you can even tell
the the owner, you know, the the board would not be opposed if the if the owner won't do this. that you can even tell the to the owner that the board feels this is an issue with all rental units in the town >> and that we're going to have a rule that
deals with it, >> but for right now, why not make it easy for everybody just have the test done? It's not a very expensive test. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Lee, you think that's a reasonable approach?
>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah, we have to start um somewhere with this. It's going to be townwide, I think, before we're done. >> I think so, too. >> Did you mention, Colleen, that uh this
this tenant uh developed a rash? >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. >> That takes it in a different direction, but we're not going to we're not going to go there. >> Yeah.
I'm guessing it's I'm guessing it's not the water, but that you know if someone said I I'm getting diarrhea or something that would be more >> well yeah that would that would steer you down a different a different path a rash >> there down a different path but we can't
get into the diagnostics of >> any of this stuff. >> Yeah. But but but Dick, your point of course is valid that uh these type of things keep coming up and it's always a landlord tenant fight.
>> Um and maybe I don't know what other towns do. Of course, other towns have water systems and we don't, but I don't know what other towns do or don't do regarding um
rental properties on town sites that are supplied by private water. How do they >> deal with this or not deal with this? I think Colleen told us that South
Hadley has in fact licensed rental units and then they get a at least you get a a handle on it and then once you say you have to have a license then if the the tenant doesn't I mean the landlord doesn't behave right then you can say
okay you can't rent without a license and we're going to take your license. So, so it at least gives them teeth and a mechanism to >> to say, "Let's let's get this a little bit under control." >> And and I really see it with with the
ADU coming, it's even it's going to even be worse than this now. So, um do we um have a copy of that type of um form that Salt Hadley uses, Colleen, or can we get one just for the
sake of taking it around in the future? >> Maybe you could. Yeah, I think somebody else told you about that, Dick, because when I called and asked, >> I didn't I thought people said no, they don't. They didn't have it, but
>> Oh, maybe someone else did tell me. >> Maybe you could just give Sharon a call. >> But I can check with them. Yeah, the health department. >> Instead of going to South Hadley, go to our friends in Northampton >> and ask. They've got a much better a
broader view. Mhm. Yeah. I Yes. I'll do with them. They do a lot of hill. So, >> um Yeah. Let me see what what they say. Northampton. >> Yep. Yeah. Cuz the the towns under their
under their umbrella are a lot of the more rural locations. >> Exactly. >> Which of course is all private wells and all private septics. So, yeah, we can see what they've got going on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It it seems really strange to me
that that cities or you know or places like Ammerst or or Northampton would have all these rental units and say, "Oh, we don't even we don't care. They can be anything." They you know, it's just the sky's the limit on what people can do in them. And I'll I'll bet that's
not the case. But we'll see. >> Yeah, we'll see. Start somewhere. The next one that that's on the list is the permit extension act which I I think we're again we're going to have to talk the three of us. Colleen,
>> Colleen did, in fact, it's worthwhile talking about Lee at least for for right now because we've got somebody that's requested an extension based on this that that there's apparently
another permit extension plan in effect that Colleen sent it out, but it it's like if there was a permit that was in place in 2024, in 2025 that it's automatically but it's a
permit specifically talking about land development and they talk about uh like zoning changes, wetland changes.
So it permit youth kind of permits that had a sunset provision or whatever they call it that that says it's only going to be good for so long that it's extended for two years. Now,
this person is looking for a septic system construction permit extension and and it's interest I I don't know where it is, but I I thought
I saw something that that Bill Shaheen sent out, but but I said saying that it was only for wetlands. I think it said wetland, but >> that's what Bill told me. >> Okay. So, maybe you're the one that put it.
>> I I put it out there because that's what he said. But on on this uh on the paperwork, um yeah, it does talk about, but it says, for example, wetlands protection acts. But but Lee, when I I called Colleen
back about it and I said, you know, that's not this is a really a permit permit. This is it is I guess it's it's a construction permit, but it's not associated with with really land development.
This is something that the state says that a permit shall be valid for three years. It just says for three years. It doesn't say we're going to change it and say it's going to be valid for five years. It
still says three years. It didn't change it didn't change the rule that says it's valid for something other than three years. And and you know, we've we've got a a
system in place that says, you know, these these perk tests are good for, you know, two years, then two years, then you can extend it for another four years, and then you can get your permit, and it goes out to three years more. So,
you've now got 11 years have gone by since a permit. And and my feeling is we shouldn't believe that that this this particular statute applies
to the length of time that that construction permits are good for that. They're they're in a different they're set in another place that clearly says the system shall be
installed in three years. And if it's not, but it is had been started and there's a reason that you you don't want to start, you couldn't start or you did start it and it wasn't finished, then
you can in fact ask for another extension of of one year that it's very very specific and it is not a land development issue. It says this is the safe way to be doing this. And now
someone is saying it doesn't matter. We're going to say no that rule that state regulation which is a title five regulation doesn't make sense. And there's also a posted way
that's published that says if you want to change this regulation, this is the way you change the regulation. And that so it's a it's by statute saying this is the way you change it. And the governor is not using that way
to change it. So it unless that gets fixed and the government goes back and said we're going to change title five which they hasn't then I don't think this permanent extension covers it. What do you what are your thought
because we've got to answer you've got to answer this question for for this real estate guy tonight. Well, if we adopt this, then it's going to shave off the potential of,
you know, if you if you go backwards and talk about the 11-year all in the way it works now and we bring this in,
if I follow correctly by strict definition, then we're maxing out at three years. >> All no, all all construction permits are good for three years. So once someone comes in and say, "I want a permit to
put in a septic system," that permit is good for three years. and and the and title five specifically says once you issue one of these permits, the system has to be completed
by the end of three years or under some very unusual circumstances, you can come back to the board and said, "I'd like up to a one-year extension for this particular reason." So that's what
that's what Title Five says. And so we've got a statute that says this is what it is. And you've got another thing that the governor says is for land development. This isn't land development. This is for
septic system installations. That that for land development the permits get extended for two years if they were valid during this period. But this isn't for land development. This is per septic system installation. It
doesn't they haven't said, gee, you've got a plumbing permit and a plumbing permit's good for two more years. Or you've got a beaver permit and a beaver permit instead of being valid for
10 days is now valid for two years in 10 days. That it it's just not a land development permit. It's a different kind of permit and it doesn't follow it doesn't come under these regulations. That's my feeling. And it sounds like if
Colleen is right, it sounds like that's what Bill is saying too. >> Yep. >> So I I think from my view is for for the real estate agent that we say no, it's not it's not good. It's not going to be
extended for two years beyond the three years. It's going to be according to the title five and it's not a land development permit. It's a septic system installation permit. And you just follow what title five says.
>> And it's not like he can't put the thing in. He's going to he's only two months away from being able to get a perk test. month and a half away from getting a birth test if that's what he needs. >> Yeah, because obviously Yeah, March is
uh March, April is coming around the corner pretty soon. >> That's right. >> He's got the permit. He just um >> Yeah, he he doesn't have the house built. So, he didn't want to put the septic system in first and it's going to expire in April. So
>> what he should do is talk then he if that's what he's trying planning to do he should come and talk to us about extending it within the framework of the extension the one-year extension >> one year
>> that title five allows us to do >> and and let's figure out how we want to do that because we can do that. Okay. >> Do we know um where is this like a just
a a couple lots from this development company or just >> This is lot two on Chape Street for Jerry Kodir. >> Is is this one of the ones that are right across from the shooting range? >> That's correct.
>> I wonder. >> Yep. Yeah. I mean, they have a house that's framed up right now. Um, and I guess there's two more lots, but worst case scenario, they should come in, talk about it, and maybe they
just need another >> The equipment's up there. They could do a deep pole for practically, you know, nothing because everything's up there. >> So, we could find out. He could make an appointment to talk to us about what he's really trying to do.
And >> yeah, >> maybe it's just it can easily be done. Maybe it can be easily done with the the the existing frame, the law framework, not the framework of the house. But it can easily be handled and he just has to
do it in the right way and it's just this law is the wrong one to use. >> Yeah. Okay. I'll tell him to uh come to the next meeting if he wants to. >> Yeah. Maybe he just can't get the house poured and and framed out or I don't know what his plan
is, but they should for sure be uh they must have already Well, you're already up there, Dick. You've already done the initial perks on that property. >> Yeah. I don't know which ones these are, but because they've come there's some other ones that we've done in the back. So, I don't know which ones are which
here. But, but if this is the case, you know, maybe maybe the guy's got to just go in and and start the septic system and then say, "Okay, now you fall into the thing that we can extend it for up to a year and and give him plenty of time to get what he's doing and he
doesn't have to worry about anything." But it's just >> But it's just that this procedure is the wrong one. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, but it's possible they just uh did a misinterpretation
of what they read or what they thought and it may or may not be applicable. >> Well, we're saying that that one isn't applicable, but that there may be of one that that is absolutely fits what he needs to do and can get what he needs done.
But he just has to tell us what he's trying to get done and see if we can find the regulation that helps him do it. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Okay. The next >> and and Okay. No, no, we're good. I
mean, especially as you point out, the the timing is is perfect for this type of a problem since >> uh within six or seven weeks, they can if everything else goes solved, they can certainly go in and uh and uh and and
reperk if need be. But I don't think that's going to have to be the case, but we'll see. >> That's what I'm guessing, too. That's what I'm guessing, too. It may. >> So, the next one is a a plumbing. Oh, that this a plumbing. Oh, that's what
this is. Plumbing permit fees and inspector fees. I did I gave a whole bunch of thought to what the right way to go after after this after our last meeting. I was going to go directly to the accountant and then I was going to
go to the selection board to Mark Bale and say, "Gee, what can we do here to get this fixed?" And then I I decided whether rightly or wrongly that
instead of doing an end run around Tom Quinnland, who is the one that is spearheading this thing and who really came and asked us to do stuff and that we dealt with saying, "You better make sure the salary thing and everything
with the who works for whom and and who gets paid what is all taken care of and whose budget. I said, you know, if I end up going to Mark Bale or if I end up going to the town accountant,
I'm I'm going to get somebody's fur all standing up by by doing an in run. And I said, "Why don't I instead go to the person who's driving it, which is the building inspector, which is Tom Quinland, >> that he's the guy that knows the most
about this? He pro he's the one that wants to do it. So why don't I start with him and say, how do we make this work, right?" because it's got to be the that I believe that what keeps his
inspectors happy is what we want also. So, but for some reason Tom must be on vacation or because I he he's got a answering machine on his cell phone that says I'll get back to you as soon as I
get back and please >> he was but he's back now. He was on vacation, but he is back because he was Yeah, he was there today. >> Okay. >> So, I can I'll give him a call again tomorrow.
>> So, so that's where that one stand. >> So, or do we have any sense or is it too early to think about what those guys need for numbers? But I mean they they uh indicated that they increased the permitting fee anyway.
>> Yeah. They they said that the permitting fees are plenty big for them to get the salary they need. >> They're just not getting their slice of what they think is a commensurate >> inspection fee then.
>> Right. So that's what we talked about the last time that said that if if we wanted to do an end run on our own, which I'm really afraid of doing, is we could just say to Mike
and Mike Kaine McCain and say, "Hey, what is it you want? You know what you raised it up to so you could get something? What is it?" And the board of health could just say, "Those are the new fees." But but that's not playing very nice in the in the sandbox. That's
for sure. So >> So I'll call I'll call Tom. >> I get it. >> I'll I'll call Tom and see see what's what is really going on.
But it it's also pretty easy to see it. As it turns out, as I was trying to get Tom, I said, "Ah, I'll give it a chance." I got I had uh Greg Briggs, the old building inspector's number, cell phone number on
my phone, and I said, "Ah, maybe he just gave his number to to Tom." I was being lazy instead of looking up Tom's number. And I talked to him >> and uh and he's doing he's doing well. he's had a a hip replaced, but he's
spending half of his time in Maine. And uh and we talked about salary, and he said, you know, he said salary was a very important thing in his decision to leave. And he said, uh, I was getting paid one-third of what the current
building inspector is making. >> So, so getting this thing straightened out is probably a a reasonable thing to do. The next one in lie of that potential um development up on
the top of Harbor Street. >> They have we keep getting these things coming out. Colleen keeps sending us stuff, but there we're probably going to have to talk about what I think what we want to do. I guess
that kind of fits. We can't we don't have Bill here to talk about approvals for the building department. So, we could look at this new mail and and other business and throw this in there. Lee, there are if you look at that that
drawing, there are 75 lots in there. and and the soils I I remember very well what the soils are like and we
we actually at one point if you go in on on Mson Ridge I don't know if you've been in there even in the last five years Lee but if you look on the right side as you go in
the houses that are way up on the hills on the right have these monster monster walls of or piles of big round rocks all around. Thousands of round rocks
that are the size of little Volkswagens. >> Yeah. >> And >> and when we were That's what the soil is made of in there. >> Now I don't remember seeing any ledge.
I don't know that there's certainly certainly up in in that area someplace when you drive up through you see wetlands crossing the road. But if and I and when we went up
to do the the process Bob Sheen I don't know how many years it was probably Bob senior and trying to remember who I talked to that dug hold for Bob
it it's possible that it was Neil Jackson that was digging the holes by hand for the purp and so it's a while ago. So I it's at least at least 20 years ago that way we're up on the top of that area where
they were they actually went around the from the end of Mson road and curves up to the right and goes up on on top and it is those same holes trying to dig
that in there. You cannot do it with a regular backhoe. You need monster machines, but I don't know how you're going to perk 75 lots. I don't know whether you when we get in here, Lee, my my suggestion is that maybe someone says
this is how we're going to pre-lay out the lots and pre-lay out the houses and and the wells and the septic systems. And then we're going to get
these big machines and multiple crews and start going through and and but maybe you start off saying you guys are going to have to start this at right at the beginning of per season and try to get machinery up there and let's do a
couple of these four of them or whatever and figure out how long it's going to take because if to do 75 lots and that kind of stuff where you can't dig a hole is, you know, It just won't get done. >> Yeah, it won't be possible.
>> It just won't be possible. Maybe the town has to hire people or they've got to hire engineers and you know that the town supervises the guys that are are doing the tests and and you know maybe you get another engineering company does
the witnessing and the and the town witnesses the witnesses and I don't know but it's a monster project in horrible soils. Well, um, in the, um, I don't know the answer, um,
category, if we do end up with an outside firm, um, the financial side of my head says that we have to keep close watch on
uh, the permitting fees, >> for sure. only only because for what um your current rate is, nobody no one on the planet is going to even drive to
town to do it. >> No, >> for that number. >> Absolutely. And on top of that, if you've got if you know I'm supervising or somebody's supervising, so you end up paying for two people to do these things
and and one of them is getting, you know, they're writing off. Let's say you went to Tyin Bond or something, they say, "Okay, yeah, we're giving you a guy, but our charge out rate for that guy is $200 an hour." and and very rapidly. May maybe what you have to do
is is once you know what these guys are are doing or what their plan is, then you figure out a way to get a quotation for somebody else to do the witnessing and and they end up having to to pay for it.
But but you're right, it's never going to work. It's you're going to you know what what's going to be $2,000 in fees normally from us is going to be $40,000 for fees for someone
that's getting paid the right amount and the and our budget our budget won't be able to pay it. >> Correct. Yeah. So, it's it's going to be a uh uh interesting learning curve. And of
course, we need to chat with who was ever, I guess, who's ever um planning this out, see whether or not they're going to go in uh a six or 10 house per year a lot
>> in or do they want everything and just hit it really really hard over three years and get it all done? It's hard to say. >> Yeah. You don't know. You don't know. And then you go into what you just what we just talked about of the three-year permits. Do they want all these permits
done at one time and have them all run out? And it's just it'll it'll be a mess. The the good news is the people up in Colleen's former area, the people up in El Lewood will be really really happy for this project because they're going
to have a new screen of houses that go across the top of that hill that stop all the bullets from coming through before they hit Ledgewood. >> Oh gosh. >> Yeah, it wouldn't be Well, anyway. Yeah. a good site to everything.
>> Yeah. I wonder I wonder if the real estate agents have to disclose that when they start selling houses. >> Good question. >> Yeah, it's true. >> Actually, maybe it's the solution to our
problem. Maybe this big developer because of that problem will be the ones that take on the the shooting range and has the the money to pay for the fight because in fact, how
can a development really move forward? It must be pretty expensive houses. How can that move forward when there's the fear of the gunfire hitting their houses? And once it once it comes to the surface and everybody
knows about it, it's not going to be a a funny situation. So maybe maybe this is the time that the fight occurs. Yeah. I mean, now that you think about it in that fashion, um,
is people are moving into eight or, you know, $1.4 $4 million house, uh, whatever it's going to be, they certainly are not going to be tolerating, um, the noise,
uh, the inherent potential danger, etc. U, it just simply will not be acceptable. I mean, it's not anyway, but this will bring it to a different level. what I'm thinking. And then and if you if you start, as you said, if you start
looking at 75 houses that are worth a million and a half dollars each or something, then maybe maybe the the gun club ends up coming against someone that's not afraid
to spend a couple million dollars to stop them from knocking down the value of their big expensive houses. Yep. >> Yeah. Valid point. >> We'll just see. We'll just see where
where it goes. >> Yes. >> And unfortunately, if you look at who was taking the lead at at our end on the last time, Chris Martin was. And and you know that we've only got an acting
town administrator right now who's Kevin, I'm I'm sure I'm sure is is capable of of doing you know what what he I have to believe it's not exactly
capable. He's got a he already had a full-time job. He was working well at at being a police chief. So someone Kevin must be delegating to to people. But but Chris Martin already knew how to do the job and he was spending more time than a
full-time person. So So to get a person who doesn't know how to do the job and then to try to to get the job a job done that he doesn't know how to do while he's got another job that he's working on is is something that's impossible. I
don't care how good Kevin is, it's it's impossible to try to to get that done. So then you if you throw throw him in the middle of something like this that he wouldn't have expected to get thrown on his plate besides it's just it's
crazy. He it's just no human being can do it. And right >> and so it it is a it is a problem I think that we're going to end up facing. So, so anyway, that's I guess I get that
all I have. Are we going to do two weeks from now with our next meeting? >> That's the 27th. Yeah. >> Are we going to check um do we know if the uh conservation is uh on a two week cycle as well?
>> Exactly. >> Oh, no. But next um the meeting after that >> Oh, don't try it, Colleen. It's the second uh Tuesday usually. So, >> the problem meeting, right?
>> There'll be uh yeah, a conflict in February. February uh 10th. >> Oh, can we So, next week, let's talk about what'll be good for Bill. Could you make sure that we >> And not next week, next meeting.
>> The next meeting. Yes. >> Yeah. And we'll discuss what when the next one is after that. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, other than that, I guess we have a
>> a reasonably early meeting tonight. >> Not too bad. Too bad. >> Yeah. Pretty good. >> Colleen, is your is this schedule working out for you and for the town so far? >> Yeah, so far so good. So, um this pay
period will be the same. So maybe the the next pay period uh after this one uh I could start the reduced hours and Yeah. >> So you're this one. So far you've been
just using So you get the same 70 hours you've been using up vacation time, but now you'll just start >> dropping off. >> And how much >> after this after this next two weeks because I'm all set for this week and
next week I'm I'm okay. I won't uh and then yeah after that. So the last week of January into February. Yeah. If I could start it then that would be good. >> Yeah. For sure. For sure. I'm going to
suggest that you, you know, on once people pass the all the mixed up schedules with the with the holidays and you start to move into a regular working schedule to make sure
you really touch bases that with the your compatriots in the in that building. and and let's be really really careful that we don't start pushing stuff out and make it make it so it's
super smooth for them because if if >> I know I know what would have happened I don't know what'll happen now with with Kevin get thrown in the middle of it but but
with Chris, other people in the building names and he he he would have been saying, you know, board of health, get this thing corrected. This is not something I I want to fight with. And and it's just again we just talked about
Kevin Kevin definitely doesn't want to be hearing about something inside this building inside your building >> that that's causing him a a problem from >> you know people are calling him up and giving him trouble. He and he just
doesn't need this kind kind of stuff from us. That's that's for sure. So Oh yeah. So we need to we need to do our part. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. You, in fact, you need to do your part to say, "Let's bend over backwards. Let's get a nice system in place."
>> Yeah. >> That that the people that are in that building, >> say, "This is fine. That's in fact, it would be nice if if we could get something out of it that that they actually gain something by doing what
you're doing." And I I don't know what you can do to to give it, you know, give them something special. I don't know. You have to think about it and say, "How can you make life nice for them?" >> So they >> I do help them out when they're out. Uh
when they're out, I do help them out. Um >> Yeah. >> And and I have right along. We do that for each other there. So it's Yeah, I have checked with them. They have >> had no issues so far. So, um, yeah,
>> again, it's coming out of a time where where people don't necessarily show up the way they normally show up. And then if you, you know, if you keep asking and every time you're out, say, "What is it? What can I do different? What can as you as everybody learns to see this little
difference >> and say, how how did this how did this work? How do the >> or >> you know if if it happens that at a time where you're there you know maybe maybe with you starting early or something you
can work something that says hey I start early what can I do for you >> when you're not here that that makes life a little bit easier for you or if just something that that says I don't even have to go way out of my way but
they know that you're doing something extra special as you've asked them to do something. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> You know, all people like to say, you know what, I it's nice to make it a give and take. I'll give and but I get
something back and and just figure out the way to what if there's a way you can find to make someone says, you know, that's actually worked out better for us >> than before. I don't know what the answer is, >> but I'm just I'm just asking you to to
try to look at it and that way and >> and to cut it off is a lot easier >> if you're you're out in front saying, "Hey, I'm really trying to do this. Let's see what do we need to change." But instead of waiting until they say, "Hey, I've had enough of this.
>> You have to change it." but >> instead >> try to really get out in front of it >> and make this a >> kind of a fun thing for everybody and and uh >> you know let make it work because I I
personally I think I think our board the three of us on that are board members want to make this work. We we don't want to lose you. We're really really happy >> with what you do
>> and and the town gets a great service by having you do the job that you do as well as you do it and and to care about the job. you know, you're you're a special employee and you're certainly a member of our team
>> and and we want to make sure that that don't let something slip in that that we say I'm not that we we should have known this and that we can't recover from it. >> Try not to do that. >> Yep. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Yep. Yep. I agree. I agree. >> Okay. >> Okay. Then everybody have a good rest of your night. >> Okay. You too. >> Okay. Good night. >> Good night. Bye. Thank you. Good night. >> Yeah.