Okay. So, we're up and we are up and running. And uh it's interesting I that when I talked to Emily a couple weeks ago about the person that was running that that well took out
papers for the board of health position. She said that the person in the past whether it's true or not I don't know but the person said well one of the things about the board of health two of the things I'd like to change but I
would like to make the the fees lower and I would like to make the meeting shorter and well as I told Emily if you look at the the
board of health fees and the cost that when you start looking at a budget of 15,000 the next board of health there probably not many boards of health and 7,000 person communities that are are running with the
the assistant getting three times as much money as the the rest of the board of health activities and we know that the assistant's raking it Yep. Just raking it in. >> Well, she can go on she can go on
vacations to Florida anytime she wants. >> All the money she makes. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why I go so often. >> That's right. Every 18 years. Right. >> Right.
>> The next time will be when your when your grandson had babies. Right. >> So, I went we went to to Boston yesterday afternoon. It's funny driving down the I think we left at about 4:30
and uh all the way down I when we were at at NATIC I think it was 76 degrees. We got when we got down into into Boston to Walam it was Yeah. I think 77 degrees. It was really warm.
Not much. >> Not much snow left. >> Yeah. It was 78 here, Dick. Oh, I got to get my charger. My battery's running low. >> Get your thing and then we'll we'll start up. >> Yeah, I got to go plug it in. I got to get
>> We'll start. Well, I'll I'll wait till Bill comes back, but Zelin isn't coming, >> right? >> Neil Jackson isn't coming. >> Okay. >> So, we can we could maybe whip through
this thing and get to our >> And even the list of things to do isn't very big, Colleen. No. No. >> I wonder where Bill went. >> Oh, he said he had to get his charger. So,
>> might have to ask him. >> Oh, there must be. >> How are you, Lee? Lee? >> Good, thank you. How's everyone this evening? >> Good. We lost good. Still, he's he's gone to look for a charger. >> Oh, okay. He'll be back. >> Yeah,
>> maybe. But yeah, >> it just got off. Maybe it was too late at getting his charger. >> Oh, could have been. Yeah. >> Yeah. The battery once it goes, it's gone. >> Yeah. >> So, do you do you have any structural
damage to your building, Lee? Um the the sill plate which is a probably an 8 by I don't know 8 by 8 or 8 by10 beam does have a fracture
>> on it. >> Um but nothing to write home about. >> Okay. Um I mean the the crack it's about maybe a foot foot and a half going left and right of another large beam which
goes um vertical. >> Okay. >> Um in one of the shelves because the carpet squares are glued on. There's a little tiny wahoo in one of them. >> It's probably in about
probably in about a quarter inch. >> Yeah. Uh but again, nothing um to write home about. What we're going to do when the uh when the weather straightens out and the insurance subregates the other
insurance policy is uh take this outside apart and see what we're looking at. >> Yeah. >> At that point, we'll be able to rebuild from the outside in. Um, >> yeah, >> I don't think it's
I think this the the raise of the sidewalk a lot of the velocity out of the impact because the car had to when it impacted sideways, it had to compress and then bounce up >> to strike the building.
>> Yeah. But the the second car that was parked there is what saved this guy from um in my unnowledgeable estimation going right through the right through the the uh the sidewall. >> Yeah.
>> And that would have been game over at that point in time. >> Yeah. When you when you think about it and look at the what happened before it, you start hearing about a guy with his dog that someone's chasing a guy with his dog and
say, "What what kind of thing is going on?" But but anyway, we can now that we're all here again, Bill's back. >> Okay. >> And we can >> that's okay. >> So, it turns out uh Lynn isn't going to
be here. Neil isn't going to be here. Um, I don't have any any systems that were reviewed. I started to review Neil's for I think it's 128 126 something like that.
>> 126 >> South Street South Yeah. What? There it is. 126 South Street. And it it's just not ready. It's not ready for prime time. So, he's going to come back in a couple weeks. U Okay. So, if we go through our our list, we've got the
minutes. I didn't have any corrections to the minutes. What are Bill and Lee? What did you guys have? >> I'm good, Dick. I'm fine. >> Yeah, I I didn't have anything on that. Thank you. >> Okay, Colleen. So, those are approved. >> Okay.
>> Uh your your time sheet, Colleen, I have to look at what we have. We've got 5.4.15 4.15 for the the hour. And what do we Colleen? How do So you've got
the what? A holiday in here. They're all funny. They're funny. >> No, it was a it was a that Monday. I was I should have written it on there, but uh that Monday the 23rd was a snow day. They
>> Oh, that's right. Okay. That That's right. Yeah. >> So that's how it comes up to that that number. >> Yeah. It's kind of an odd number, but it kind of Yeah, that's how it came. >> That's what it is. Yeah. >> Okay. Bill and Lee, are you okay with that? >> Yes. All set. >> Yes. Yep.
>> I I am too, Colleen. So that's that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next one is our account receivable. And uh by the way, I I was talking to
Bobby Sheen today at a looking at some deep holes. In fact, we'll get further than that. But I had told him that that my potential competition said that our meetings were too long and our fees were too high. And and Bob said, you know, I
think sometimes your meetings are too long, too. But I guess sometimes they are. I like short meetings, but so our total for accounts receivable, not for
payments to the treasurer is $2,610. Of that, $350 is for board of health permits. Licenses are $610. Board of Health fees are $1,650.
And that's it comes out $2,610. Are are we okay with that? Sure. Yes, >> I am too, Colleen. So, that's that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next the next one
>> is the permit to operate a food establishment and it is early mugs. It's a renewal for over 25 ft. >> That's for for this year.
Um, are we okay with that? >> Yep. >> Yes, >> I am too, Belling. So, that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next one is
I have a COC for 44 Taylor Street. Now, unless Colleen, you have some different information. I don't have it all, but the the
I didn't put >> from the designer when I look at it does not have it's got a a grid >> of item. Okay. So, >> but >> for a layout >> does not have any references other than
to event to the SAS. It doesn't have a reference to the the debox. which seems like an important thing to have on a septic system. So that as built doesn't have it. The other is Colleen
sent a note to us saying that that in fact I got a call from the there I guess a new contractor on the job and
he actually was What happened to the What happened to uh the guy from Hampton? >> I don't know. But this man's name is Kevin. >> And Colleen sent the thing from the well
people that said this well is not abandoned. There's an abandoned well that's part of the septic system design >> and it's not abandoned. And he says they won't pay him or something, but it's not abandoned. And my feeling, mine is that
we ought to tell Tom Lu that he needs to have the reference to the on the ads built to the to the uh debox and the SAS and he all and and that well needs to be abandoned.
That's part of his design. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't I don't think we should give the PLC I remember spotting that well a couple of months ago, >> right? >> But and and the new wells in, I guess. Is that true?
>> Yeah, the new well's in and tested. >> Okay. >> But the if we don't abandon this well before we approve this, it's never going to get abandoned. >> I agree. I had a call. >> I had a call today or when I was out uh yesterday I think he called
>> Chris Abbott from Connecticut Valley and who I talked to about the abandoned well. He didn't leave a message just other than for me to call him. So I called him today but he wasn't in. So I don't know if he was going to tell me something had changed but I he didn't
get back to me. So I don't know. So Lee, you do you agree also? We just shouldn't approve this. >> Well, Lee's recused on that one, Dick. >> Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. >> House. Yeah. No, I agree. >> I agree with you. Let's hold off until
everything's done. >> Okay. The next one that I have is a debox replacement on six Jennifer Drive. uh that they title five said it it was bad that Lee must have it looks like
this was a I think it's a Neil Jackson when one of those quickies that he does and correct are we all set with this one Lee >> yeah it's uh it's in and done yes uh his uh helper Bob Norman installed that
>> okay I see Bob well so we can I Yes, we can approve this. I'm going to then ask a question when we get to the the title five because I'm I I don't know is is is Bob actually a
title five inspector >> or or does he >> or does he work on Neil's license? >> But that's a good question, Dick. I met him once on a job site. Bob Nolan. Nice guy. But you're right. I don't know. I don't know if he's a soil evaluator or
an SI. >> I don't even think he's a soil evaluator. >> I think he is. Um I think he's good with a shovel. >> He is good with a shovel, >> but but yeah, the the points are valid.
I don't know what background is. I think he's Neil's right-hand guy to do field work. >> Yeah. you usually what happens is at the end of the day um he'll call me and I'll
meet him on site someplace but that being said what took place uh five hours prior to that I have no idea >> whether he together were there or what
>> yeah so where in terms of this one you've seen it installed and it's done so I We can we can say that we approve the the permit and I guess that when it comes in we're since it's done we should say the COC's done too so when Colleen
sees it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Is that Bill? You okay with that? >> Yeah. Oh yeah that's fine. I I did have a a before I leave that one of the other engineers
did point out and he said you know when I look at your your meetings you got you got two people you've got at at this point that routinely are designing septic systems and you
know we've got Bobby and and Neil Neil is in a in a spot that that Neil is is well removed that Neil doesn't design the well he does I don't know he kind of designs it but he certainly doesn't draw it and and
so you got another in the case of of Neil that person doing the stamping of the drawing is a is a registered sanitarian I think and and Bobby is an engineer but neither of those engineers
here even show up, you know, when we have our meetings, they don't even show up to listen to what's going on. And they've got a stamp on the drawing and and when we ask questions, we're not asking questions of the guy that's got a stamp. We're asking on some in Neil's case, it's not even the person that drew
it. So, so I don't know. Maybe at a minimum we ought to be saying if your name's on the if you're stamped on the drawing, you have to be at the meeting. That's fair.
>> That's reasonable. >> You know, Neil's the CEO of his company and he's got these employees and subcontractors, but you're right. The subcontractor is the guy with the stamp. >> Yeah. >> And the same thing with Bob and Mr.
Lame. >> Yeah. So, anyway, but I'm I'll >> very reasonable. So, I recognize that I've I've gone through the design with with both of
both Bob and Neil and and have things straightened out beforehand, but but still it at least coming with for you two guys to be able to talk and and the three of us when we start kicking something around, we're not talking
about someone. I don't I don't even know if these they have stamps, but I don't know if they know what I'm guessing they do know what they're doing, but but anyway, so Colleen, maybe you can the next time I'm both the next time we see
a design for both of these guys is to say and I'll I'll be talking to them both as as part of the reviews >> and just to say, "Hey, we we want that person to show up." >> Okay. Yeah. The the next one I have is a
Jerry Cadair lot 2 Chabe Street well location per or well permit. Now when I look at at pace two and I don't I guess I must have I must have looked at it the design
some time ago for the septic system and usually I'm really careful to have the the well located but I've got a drawing that that's submitted with this application
that shows a well located within a foot of 100 ft of the the septic tank and it looks like it's within that yeah that within maybe
110 ft of the SAS and there's no dimensions on the location of the well other than to show it's really close and Lee if you're going out there to locate this I I hope you don't have this
drawing because you not going to be able to locate it. >> I was out there probably uh I don't know six, eight months ago and I believe that house is framed. So I but other than that I've not been
requested to do anything. >> So I drove by there today and there's a new house there. Right. Is >> something taken yet, Dick? I didn't see that.
I It was There's a lot of activity and I I wasn't going to look at that. I was actually headed to Beltown and and it it just surprised me because I said, "Wow, there's a new house." And it was much further along. Only thing only thing that could help you is
you can see where the maybe the sore pipes coming out of the foundation in the basement and that way you can kind of ascertain where the septic tank is going to be and work off of that. But again, I would strongly recommend you do it with the presence of the Who's the
designer on the leech on that one? >> Dan, it looks it looks like Alan White. >> Allen. >> Yeah, maybe Allan should go out there with Lee in person. >> Well, that's what I think. Or else give us a drawing, Colleen, and say, "We're not going to approve this design because you can't tell where the well is." And
let let Allan be the one that that puts it down so that whenever if Lee's going out to to locate it, he can have them measure from stuff and say, "Okay, that's where you said otherwise otherwise it's us that locating this."
>> That's right. >> Okay. So, anything anything further has to be on site with Allen. Okay. Okay. That's not that's not an issue. >> Dick, this is crazy. He's not supposed to even get a building permit unless the
wells in and you demonstrate portable water. >> Yeah, you're right. How is this how is it happening? >> How did he get a building permit? >> Maybe this is not the right lot. Maybe the lot that that Lee's talking about and I'm talking about is the lot that's
that's to the the uh north of this. >> Well, it must be >> this paperwork just came in the application. That was it. So, I called Jerry Kodier and said, "Which lot is this?" Because I
know you got lot one and lot two. >> There's several lots there. There's several lots. >> So, he said it's lot two. the one I'm doing the house now on. So I pulled out the design and and c, you know, made a copy to put with the application because yeah, there was nothing with it. It
didn't even say lot two. So I called Jerry like I said. So um yeah, that was that's the lot to design that. Oh, for sure. For sure the installer who signed this
should be putting what lot it's in, not Jerry >> because it's the installer who's who the signature of the well driller that's on this. And it it shouldn't be you to Colleen filling out things that are
missing in the form. And they shouldn't be trying to put a well in >> in a plate without a drawing. >> And Bill is absolutely right. We should be >> we should be asking Colleen, maybe you can give Tom a call tomorrow and ask him
how we've got got a house going in without a well. >> Yeah, right. Yeah, they got to show sight locuses on those because I know those are newly carved out lots, but I think they might be on the latest assessor's map, but got
to be very careful in designating those. >> Yeah. >> And we got to get used to doing this, Dick. When they build the 75 lots up on Carver Street, this is >> going to be trouble up the kazoo. >> You're gonna have lots. You're gonna have That's right. you're going to have
wells in the wrong locks and you're so we're not going to approve that one either. >> Okay. >> So, >> can't >> the next one. So, that gets rid of those. Let's do the the go back to
Colleen. Maybe in this particular case with the the title five inspection, we actually have Bob Norman is the one that's submitting it, not Neil Jackson. So, we ought to find out if Bob Norman in fact can do this and has a license
for it. >> Pauline, you can look him up on that. The the new pick has the list of soil assistant inspectors. >> No, I think he is on there. I mean, I'll double check, but I think he is an inspector.
>> I think I've looked him up before, but uh I I'll double check, but >> he's you can look that up. >> Pretty sure. Yeah, >> it looks like both of these the the one on 23 Morgan Street I I think it's one of the a brand new house
that that that pass they both are looks like they're fill systems. They're 5 ft to water. They've got uh they're big enough and they've got 1500gallon tanks. And we just did Jennifer Drive was the one with the the
new debug. home. Are we okay with those? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, Colleen, I am too. >> Okay, >> the next the next item that I have
Oh, I actually one's another easy one. We had approved an Allen Kattowit uh design a house. Bobby Sen's design is on Carver Street as you're as you pass
Lion Street going up towards Dowski. So towards Belgtown just as the the pond is on your right. You you pass what was Gilski's old garage and then just there's a road that or a
driveway that goes out into the back at the base of the hill. This is right in that spot. And I went in today with I think it was in December that we we did the perk test in there. They wanted to move it from where it had been approved.
And uh we approved the system subject to deep being the water table being done in March and April. I went there today that we were down 120 inches with no and there was no there's no models and no
water. So So I think we're we're set to let Colleen let that go. They they've done it. >> Yeah. They came in for their wetland permit last night. Dick, by the way, the well in the back of that property is a true artisian well. The water comes off
the hill. Oh yeah. It's It comes right out of the top of the riser. >> It's uncontrollable. uncontrolled. >> Yep. >> So, under Massachusetts apparently doesn't have a a law or some kind of a regulation that requires capping.
There's a lot of other states that won't let you let that water come out like that. >> Well, he's got a cap on. It's not sealed properly. We had a big discussion at conservation last night because he's going to have ever running water out of that well unless he puts a watertight
cap on that. So, I don't know what he's going to do. But uh boy oh boy, it it flows about five gallons a minute out of that well. But >> it's a lot. >> Oh yes. Oh yes. Oh yes. He's got a little pond right next to it. >> Little pond. Yep.
>> So our next item is the animal inspector. And I did Colleen talked to Kim and I talked to to Kim Goldsmith today. I said, "Gee, we're I'm doing I'm doing
copies of what we're going to talk about tonight and and you're on the list, and I'd like to It's been a couple years since I talked to to Kim. It was uh I think when we were going to put her in as the assistant animal inspector, and
and we talked about she had already was the dog officer and and uh I learned some stuff from him. One is is apparently at least according to Kim that that Tom
was having a lot of trouble. I knew his his knee was in trouble and he wasn't walking very well, but apparently he he actually wasn't going into the barns and and Kim for I think for the last year has done the animal inspecting anyways.
But she's very she's very upbeat. Uh she's very enthusiastic and I I said, you know, we're we had some trouble. I said it, Bill, I think, is the one who brought it up three years
ago about conflict of interest, the potential that here you're an animal inspector and then you have to to uh quarantine dogs and all of a sudden we end up with you actually quarantine and holding dogs that that you're
responsible for telling people to send them to your place where you make the money. and and the potential of conflict is is there. I said, "Maybe you should get, you know, another kennel or something and to work with." And she
says, "No." She says, "That's not what happened." She says, "We we quarantine dogs in place. They're they're quarantined at their their house." But she says if anybody gets gets charged
there's only one time that that they ended up picking up a dog and and taking it and charging for it. But she says when they do it, she she doesn't get any money for it. She actually gives the the
town does the billing and the town gets the money. So she doesn't she it's a thing that she basically give the gratus to the to the town but it doesn't even go through her hands. So she said she's aware of it and uh she
says for inspection the of her building that she uses the a guy from Belchuretown and the one of the guys from South Adley to come in and do her stuff so that she's not in conflict. So
she she actually was really really enthusiastic and it it it was refreshing to hear someone that that wasn't tired of doing the job. I don't and she said she she cared. She said I grew up in the
town and and I care about the town and she said I really care about the animals. So my feeling is she's a a great find. >> That's nice. Are you still with us? >> Dick, is she will she be on board this
thing for 20 years or so? >> Oh, I I don't know how I' I don't think I've met her. I've talked to her husband a couple times. They they live on if if you go out
Taylor Street and after you if you come from the center of town, make the the big turn at where Trouy comes in >> and head to the head to the left and you go up that that hill and there's a hard
turn to the right >> before you get to where where the nuts and bolt place where Bob Far's farm was. >> There are like four houses on the left. >> Yes. and hers I think is the second from
the end is I think it's a black house but there's a little there's a little horse corral around the side of the house and there's usually I think there's usually a a horse trailer there but that's where she lives and
I I'm guessing that just in fact when I was when I was done talking I told my wife I said you know I I don't think that that uh Kim is my age. I said, "She sounds she sounds very very exuberant."
And I said, "And my wife says, "Well, how old do you think she is?" because I know we're not supposed to judge anything, but right in terms of of whether we think we've got somebody that'll be with us, >> I if you were to tell me if someone were to tell me that she was 43, if they were
to say that to me, I didn't look it up. I should have looked it up in the street, >> but that that's what I would have said, >> but >> yeah, I think >> might be a lot. Great. Yeah. I don't know how old she is, but she's quite a bit younger than all of us.
>> That's good. That's good. That's >> Everybody is. >> So, I think you're in the ballpark, Dick, somewhere. >> In fact, my my brother's my next youngest brother is is in fact 77 yesterday. And I said, you know, Gary, I
said, I went into the store to buy a a birthday card for you. And I went into the memorial ages area and I said, "I'm sad to tell you, you were older than the ones I had a gap of five years. I could
get 75s and 80s." I said, "The bad news is I couldn't buy you a 75 anymore. The good news is I didn't have to buy you the 80." >> There you go. Yeah.
>> So, the animal inspector. I remember we had before Tom Phabot, we had Giles for a while. >> I know. And and Giles was Giles started off being pretty enthusiastic, but I I think what happened is is I think Giles
could was up in the hilltops and that's where he was living. And I I think it it got to be a a problem to for him. I think as as he kind of disengaged from Franny's area and I I think he was
even farming some of from Franny's land for a while. So So he was in our area but I think once he once he split from that it it was harder for him to do it. >> Now who do we have who was before Giles?
>> What I'm trying to think of I I it just I wonder it couldn't have been Franny. It could have been Franny for some after Franny got off the board, but I don't think so. >> I remember when I first got up when I first got on the board, I think we hired
Giles, so there must have been someone a predecessor to Giles, but I don't remember who it was. >> That's what I'm trying to think of, too. And and and I'm just wondering I just wondering if if Franny I don't think it
was George Galuchia. I think George may have been a what do they call a fence officer, a field driver or something and uh >> but I don't think it was George. >> And uh
it is interesting to to try to think of of >> yeah it is >> who they were. So no. Well, so the next item that that we have is
let's see where there we didn't do the discussion for the the rental units, but let's the approval of building department applications. What bill? What do we have? Do you have any that you can report on for us that that you've been doing?
>> We had Oh, um Scott Merrill's house on Harris. I Tom uh Quinnland and I found evidence that the net change in bedrooms is zero on that property. >> Okay. >> So, that one's fine. So, that one went through.
>> Okay. >> Which was fine. Um still haven't heard from 415 Bachelor Street. They're in limbo on that project. That's the one with the with the big master bedroom on top the garage. >> And Tom gave him a permit to put the
foundation in, but that's it. The foundation for the garages and they're kind of at a standstill on that project. >> Okay. >> And then of course, >> yeah, we had that 135 South Street uh situation at that apartment complex.
That's I think that's resolved. >> Okay. They they were actually going to go in there and do some mold testing. Dick Colleen, did did um the the woman that works in Northampton for us, did she report on the findings of the mold
analysis on that apartment? >> Uh >> 135 South. >> I don't think so. I think >> Yeah. I mean, I know I had some inspection information that she sent, but on the
mold testing itself, no, I don't think so. >> Okay. Was that something, Dick, that we should be privy to? I'm thinking those >> Yeah, I would find out what the answer is for sure. >> Yeah, >> because I think the issue was they covered up some plumbing after a leak, a
plumbing leak, but they didn't check for mold prior to the covering up. So, I think they're going to open up the ceiling, take some samples, and then recover the ceiling if if it were absent of mold. >> Okay. >> So, that was it. Otherwise, again, with
the snow and everything, it's been fairly quiet on the building permit. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, he sent out a note from the fire chief that essentially said, "Gee, if if we end up going into a house," and he was
specifically talking about hoarding. And he said, "What if we go into a house for some reason and find out there's a hoarding problem and we've got to talk to someone at at midnight?" and I and he was asking Colleen for some information
that and on who they should call. My my general feeling is unless there there's some kind of a structural issue that's going to kill somebody, why do you have to resolve a hoarding problem at midnight?
>> I agree. >> Yeah. Yeah. It just and you know for for regular regular serious emergency board of health stuff our our numbers are are published
and you know if there's a fire that needs something and that's an emergency we get called but but certainly I would hope that I would hope that they wouldn't be calling us out at midnight because the that someone had and that
the normal hoarding process would probably be in our case maybe to to get Northampton people in to to do that inspection. >> I would think >> that makes sense. So that the answer would be Colleen I
guess if the they could call if they re if they couldn't get uh they would be able to get one of us whether start with you Colleen and then the the three of us but that we'd be directing them to to Northampton that has got the inspectors
and the legal >> humps behind it. >> Okay. Our final item for tonight is to talk about our rental properties.
And I did I I got I would guess, Colleen, while you were in Florida that you didn't talk to many people about rental properties. >> No. >> Here. >> But I did get a hold of them. I tried to
get a hold of Sharon Hart and I did not get a hold of her. But I got a hold of someone returned the call that that didn't really tell me who they were. I had a terrible connection. But what she told me is that Southley does require a
permit for a rental property. The board of health requires it, but she said that they don't charge any money for it. And it it sounds like it's just a way of of keeping track of what they have in
the town. Of course, if you look at South Hadley, it's it's really really heavily supported with with city water and heavily supported with with sewers. so that the the issues that we're
talking about are not the ones that they see, but they they they definitely are trying to have a handle on how many and rental units there are and where they are in the town. Well, I'm Yeah, we got to think about
how to proceed because again, based on that 31 Ammer Street, Dick, again, that house, unbeknownst to anybody, they ended up with two rentals that we didn't even know about in there. >> Right.
>> Right. And we had another one that was the same way that the the I think it was Greg that that found it. I'm not sure. Was it ever resolved? There was a a house on the on the corner
of uh let's see, Taylor Street. I think Taylor Street turns at Harbor Street and goes towards the south. I think it's still Taylor Street when it heads towards Bloodlow. It changed his name someplace
in there when you turn to the to the to the right right at at the near Redfire Farms. And but right in there there was another house that had someone in the cellar >> with no no eress.
>> Oh. Oh. >> You know, if they had a fire on the first floor, they were done. They were trying to smash windows and try to get out of a solar window. Oh, >> wow. Uh that so the I guess the
we're definitely going to get into issues with these ADUs. There's another another one coming that Neil was working on and and I just I certainly if I were looking at a
minimum a minimum would be that you should have a license and you should be testing water to make sure you're not making people sick. that neither one of those and especially
if in South Hadley's case they're just saying there's no no fee in involved with it. What what would be the Lee and Bill that just looking what would be the reason we wouldn't want to know about rental
units? >> What's the reason we would not want to know? >> Yeah. If you're if you just said we're we're in a spot that that we're at at at the middle of let's say you wanted to do South the way south did it
then you say okay we're not going to charge anybody for anything and we're not going to at at this at this decision point you say we're not going to do anything to you other than to say you have to tell us that you have a you have to have a permit it's free and you have
to tell us you have it. >> Now the question is by rental unit we mean a dwelling unit with a separate entrance egress. Correct? >> No. Well, you'd have to say it's a separate dwelling unit. >> Now, here's the other thing. How about
if you have livein borders? How do you distinguish the two? >> Well, that's different. There's not a dwelling unit. Then that falls into the rooming house thing. So >> you're taking you're taking payment for someone living in your house.
>> It's kind of the same thing. >> Well, that's a that becomes a different issue on the next one. >> Yeah. Well, actually, maybe you maybe it's exactly what what you're saying, Bill,
that if you are taking payment for anybody that's living in property that you own, you need to have a permit. >> Makes sense to me.
>> Lee, I don't hear you. No, no. I'm I'm I'm I'm listening um as I'm thinking and it seems to be um it seems to be a given that that would
be in place, but it's not obviously. Um I would think that the fire department would be very anxious to uh know about that. from a safety
perspective. >> And um the um I don't think there's going to be anything, you know, no violence, but every once in a while you'll get a complaint about a tenant who is upset
about something that the landlord did and no one knows that, as you pointed out earlier, that they've even had a somebody living there. which raises another level of questions. But >> but I think the defining characteristic
is is money or payment exchange the luxury of someone living in somebody's house. >> That's kind of the key question. But again, nobody's to that. >> People aren't going to admit to that. That's the problem. Well, regardless of whether they admit
to it, when you get them, if you make it a regulation, then you say, "Okay, you're you're violating the regulation when you when you catch it." And you could you could get you could get the tax collector to put it on their tax in
a packet with the tax bill saying you need to register this. Just we could write whatever it is up and say you have to do that. And and then we, you know, it's probably going to take us a few years to get it all the way done.
>> Oh, yeah. Dick, it's a it's a sticky wicket, too, because if someone's living in somebody's house by rights, they should be on the street list for that year. They should be listed in the street list. >> They should be, >> right? Even if they're a renter, they should be on the street list,
>> right? But they don't have to fill it out. And that, you know, I don't think there's a law that says you you have to do that. But in in this, >> yeah, you could find it. You could take tell Colleen, you know, Colleen, just go down the street and see how many places
have different names in it and see >> see what you find. But >> ultimately ultimately what I'm still at at the point that I think we we should
be saying if you do the the ADU, you have to be dealing with with the supply of water and the sewage. If you're going to have someone going there, they need to You can argue that they can put sweaters on if you lose heat and you
have candles for losing light, but you still have to be able to drink and and poop. >> Yep. Yep. >> But but >> is do you think any of this data um is uh already
compiled uh from theor's office? So I don't know if they actually go into people's homes or not. >> They have some >> I protocol in Grand is assessors do not go into the dwellings. In South Adley
they do. In South Adley they do. I know that for a fact. In Grandby they do not I believe. >> Okay. Then the other the only only other other maybe then trying to just you know be more complete without
wasting a bunch of time. Maybe this is a waste of time on my part is to see and I don't know if they would or not have national grid provide how many services are at a certain address
they could do that. That would catch a that would catch a bunch of them. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. If you have an electric house and you have a tenant, you're certainly not going to want to be paying, you know, $900 a month for heat
>> for your for your house and have the guy living in your basement. >> Standard bill for National Grid. >> Well, that's reality. >> Yeah, you certainly should be able to find that out. That that's going to say
Holy mackerel. I have I've got six six sockets on this house that I thought is a single family house. >> Right. Right. And I'm guessing it's public information. >> I would guess I would guess you don't.
That's right. But but it it has to start with our deciding do we want to know it? And I I think we do want to know it. I and that if I were just starting off and look at the problems that we have that kind of not
unusual problems of people saying, "Hey, my water is no good. I'm renting a house. I'm renting an apartment and I I'm afraid of my water." That's not a that's not an uncommon thing that we hear, >> right? You hear that or you know um we
get the complaint of housing court or something where someone has been renting and they never fix the screen or there's mold in the in the bathroom. >> That's a bathtub. >> Different kind of thing. But but >> Right. But I mean but it exposes the the
inner workings of um a dwelling unit um which is existing behind the scenes. >> Right. That's right. That's right. And of course all the data would should be shared between the uh the safety
complex for me um a common knowledge scenario so that police and fire are aware of um just how many people are in fact residing at you know >> right
>> again 31 street case in point right there person living in single for Absolutely. And if if you if you did it and then we got into it and and said, "Gee, this is this is what we want to
know about." Heck, you can find all sorts of things, but it it seems like the first thing you want to know is how many are there, and then you can figure out what you're going to do with it. But especially if if you start off saying
if we end up having to have a a lot of costs associated with doing this then you can say okay we we need to have a we need to have a fee with it because there's there's money involved. Um
certainly the that the the person that that owns it could say, "Hey, I'm paying taxes on having an apartment here, so the worst the the least you could do is is not charge me for the license to be
paying you for the taxes." And and the person I guess that's not going to be very happy with it is the person that says, you know, I built this whole addictions or I' I've modified the inside of my house without a permit and I' I'm renting it for, you know, $1,500
a month and I didn't want to get caught. But yeah, I'm sure that's uh very uh very common. Very common. Yeah, I agree, Lee. >> Very >> probably hundreds in town. >> I would guess that.
>> Yeah, >> I would say. >> Yep. >> So, I' I'd offer that we should do this. We as the first step just do this. Find out what we have. We are going to We definitely have got to talk about
whether on on new ADUs, but this will be separate than this. But on new ADUs, if we say if you're going to build a new one, you're gonna you are going to have good water. You t Bill, you and Lee have talked about this about someone throwing
in an ADU and what they're doing for a water supply and you don't just hook up a hose going into the other unit and hope for the best. Mhm. >> You know, we're we're doing something with it, but but and we can do
it with again with adus with brand new ones. You can do it. You're you're not doing anything to anybody else. But but it I'd offer that we should we should start with a a free permit, but make
them get the permit. Mhm. >> It's a good start. >> So, when do we want it? Do we want to start it with I guess we could I guess we could just say that it can start anytime we want.
We can we can say that it's quite a >> wonder. We're gonna have to advertise this in the newspaper and have a public hearing, I guess. Thanks. I don't know about public hearing, but >> you might want to talk to Brian. >> Colleen. Yeah. Can Colleen,
>> thank you. >> Can you can you find out if you you can talk to our friends at am in Northampton and tell them that's what we want to do >> and what do we have to do to
can we just do it or do we have to as Bill said deal with it like a septic regulation? So, if there's going to be a free permit um for
all all people that that charge for living in a in a facility. Now, how do Okay. What
are bill when you're thinking about it? Is it >> It could be It could be a border. >> Yeah. But how many permits? They're free. So if
So So what you could do is any dwelling unit that has people living in it for a fee. As long as you said every dwelling unit that has someone living at it for a fee,
that would mean if there are three borders, that would be in one dwelling unit, that would be one permit. If you had four dwelling units like uh that we have these forplexes, that would be four
dwelling units. So there are four permits. >> Then it it's measurable. for permit. Yes. Okay. So, a permit for each dwelling unit. >> Unit. That's right. >> Okay. >> That has people living in it for a fee.
>> Do we want to say for I guess a fee whatever the the fee doesn't have to be money is. So if someone says you have to work for me for eight hours to be able to live here, that's a fee.
>> That's Yeah. barter system. >> Yeah. >> So that's what we want to do. And we're not going to charge for it and see what we have to do to to be able to promulgate that regulation and enforce it.
>> And we ought to do it right. I'm looking at it from the I'm looking at it from the renters's perspective. The renter is going to say, "Well, if I now have to take a permit out, now I am subject to scrutiny from the board of health." Right.
>> That's that's >> and I'm now I'm subject to scrutiny from the tax man. >> Right. >> Right. So these people I in my opinion are not going to be motivated to participate in this program. That's my gut feeling. >> Right.
So, what that tells you is exactly what you were talking about, Bill, is that if you're going to do that, then you're probably going to at least a
couple times end up in court. So, you better have adopted the regulation in the right way. Yes. >> So, you don't get it thrown out when you try to do something with it. Yes, that's exactly correct.
So, we got to dot the eyes, cross the te's on this one. >> In fact, it probably at the same time, it's probably worthwhile to give Brian a call, too. >> Yeah, I think so. Because last thing we want is to be in the Hampshire Gazette Board of Health adopts illegal
regulation. That wouldn't look good >> or get thrown out when we try to do something with it. >> And if you ever if we ever try to build on it, if it's if you got a base that's no good, it's not going to work at all.
>> That's right. Okay, that's good. Well, >> Colleen, I'll give I'll give Brian a call before our next meeting and see what he does. >> Okay. So anyway, I guess we're that's all I had. What do we have other than that that's
going on? >> Very efficient meeting. It's 8 o'clock sharp. >> Colleen, when is our next our next meeting? >> Uh the 24th, I think. >> 24th. >> Yep. Bill, that's a good one for you.
>> Yeah, that's a Tuesday. That's fine. Tuesday's fine. >> And then the next one, Colleen, is the >> That would be >> seventh. April >> April 7th. >> That actually good. Yeah, that that goes
off cycle with conservation, so that's good. >> That's not So yours isn't the 7th. So >> yeah, we're I'm fine. Yeah, because we meet on the 14th. So we can meet the 7th and the 21st with no problem. Yeah, I think he was he was good with no conflict until I think it was July or
something. >> Yeah. Yeah, we're we're off cycle now, which is good. >> Okay, so I'll get those I'll get those posted. >> And >> um Colin, uh a quick question. Is there a sugar house or some other operation
um up on um >> Harris Mountain? Yeah, maybe uh maybe likeund in the 150 range. >> Yes, I believe the number is in the 150s
I believe. Yes, 156 158 something like that. Um Harris Mountain Sugar Shack. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Remember Eddie Parker used to do his dick across the street? That's right.
>> And there's a >> there's another one. At least it looks to me like one on uh on the old Kier farm. It it looked to me like there's there's one as you as you
head south from the farm itself where that where their parking lot was going to be. There's a wall that's on their south side and the cleared area. And then right after that it goes up a little bit and I think there's a sugar
stack in there. I don't know that but it looked like it to me. I don't know there Ed Parker never had any any regulations from us on it.
>> I I don't think he did >> but I I had been there numerous times. He had a nice set steel evaporator. Very nice. Yeah. I wonder if they're unregulated because it's all sugar. So there's nothing growing in it.
>> Yeah. It's high temperature and all sugar. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It might be exempt. >> Nothing nasty is going to get evaporated. >> Yeah. He had I had talked to him about it that they he used to have to dump big
bass vats of it sometimes. that stuff actually did grow in it. >> Oh, really? >> Really? >> Yeah. And it it would grow. He he tried to keep it from freezing. That was an enemy that he had. But but he could deal with that. You'd see him break the ice
off the top and throw it away. But he said if he kept it too long, there was some kind of mold that got grew in it. And it wasn't the problem that the mold made you sick because as you said, you boil it away. It said it changed the flavor of the maple syrup.
>> And he he would just dump the whole batch. >> Oh, didn't know that. >> But somehow he knew what it was. He knew very well what when he see it, he said, "Okay, it's bad." >> Yeah. I suppose once you do long enough, you pick it up.
>> That's right. when you know especially if you say gee I just put all this wood into you know evaporating 45 gallons of water to get a gallon of this stuff and then it's no good you probably say let's not boil that water away unless we know it's
good >> exactly yeah a lot of work >> so anyway I'm done then if you guys are >> okay well good evening everybody >> good night everybody Good night. >> Great.
>> Welcome back. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Good to be back. >> Okay, so we're up and we are up and running and uh it's interesting.
that when I talked to Emily a couple weeks ago about the person that was running that that well took out papers for the board of health position she said that the person in the past
whether it's through or not I don't know but the person said well one of the things about the board of health two of the things I'd like to change that I would like to make the the fees lower and I would like to make the meeting
shorter. Yeah. And well, as I told Emily, if you look at the the board of health fees and the cost that when you start looking at a budget of
15,000, the next board of health, there probably not many boards of health and 7,000 person communities that are are running with the the assistant getting three times as much
money as the the rest to the board of health activity. And we know that the assistant's raking it in. >> Yep. Just raking it in. >> Well, she can go on she can go on vacation to Florida anytime she wants.
All the money she makes. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why I go so often. Every 18 years. Right. >> Right. The next time will be when your when
your grandson has babies, >> right? >> So, I went we went to to Boston yesterday afternoon. It's funny driving down the I think we left at about 4:30
and uh all the way down I when we were at at NICT I think it was 76 degrees. We got when we got down into into Boston to Walam it was Yeah. I think 77 degrees. It was really warm.
>> Not much not much snow left. >> Yeah. It was 78 here, Dick. Oh, I got to get my charger. My battery's running low. >> Get your thing and then we'll we'll start up. >> Yeah, I got to go plug it in. I got to get
>> We'll start. Well, I'll wait till Bill comes back, but isn't coming, >> right? >> Neil Jackson isn't coming. >> Okay. So, we can we could maybe whip
through this thing and get to our even the list of things to do isn't very big, Colleen. >> No. No. I wonder where Bill went. >> Oh, he said he had to get his charger. So,
>> might have to ask him if >> Oh, there must be. >> How are you, Lee? >> Good, thank you. How's everyone this evening? >> Good. We lost. >> Good. >> Still, he's going have to look for a charger. >> Oh, okay. He'll be back. >> Yeah.
Maybe. But yeah, it just got off. Maybe it was too late at getting his charger. >> Oh, could have been. Yeah. >> Yeah. The battery once it goes, it's gone. >> Yeah. >> So, do you do you have any structural
damage to your building, Lee? Um the the sill plate which is a probably an 8 by I don't know 8 by8 or 8x10 beam does have a fracture. >> Wow.
>> Um but nothing to write home about. >> Okay. Um I mean the the crack it's about maybe a foot foot and a half going left and right of another large beam which goes um vertical.
>> Okay. >> Um in one of the shelves because the carpet squares are glued on. There's a little tiny wahoo in one of them. >> It's probably in about probably in about a quarter inch.
>> Yeah. Uh but again, nothing um to write home about. What we're going to do when the uh when the weather straightens out and the insurance subregates the other
insurance policy is uh take this outside apart and see what we're looking at. >> Yeah. >> At that point, we'll be able to rebuild from the outside in. Um, >> yeah, >> I don't think it's
I think this this the raise of the sidewalk a lot of the velocity out of the impact because the car had to when it impacted sideways, it had to compress and then bounce up a >> spike the building.
>> Yeah. But the the second car that was parked there is what saved this guy from um in my unnowledgeable estimation going right through the right through the the uh the sidewall. >> Yeah.
>> And that would have been game over at that point in time. >> Yeah. When you when you think about it and look at the what happened before it, you start hearing about a guy with his dog that someone's chasing a guy with his dog and
say, "What what kind of thing is going on?" But but anyway, we can now that we're all here again, Bill's back. >> Okay. >> And we can >> that's okay. >> So, it turns out uh Lynn isn't going to
be here. Neil isn't going to be here. Um, I don't have any any systems that were reviewed. I started to review Neil's at for I think it's 128 126 something like that.
>> 126 >> South Street South Yeah. What? There it is. 126 South Street. And it it's just not ready. It's not ready for prime time. So, he's going to come back in a couple weeks. U Okay. So, if we go through our our list, we've got the
minutes. I didn't have any corrections to the minutes. What are Bill and Lee? What did you guys have? >> I'm good, Dick. I'm fine. >> Yeah, I I didn't have anything on that. Thank you. >> Okay, Colleen. So, those are approved. >> Okay.
>> Uh your your time sheet, Colleen, I have to look at what we have. We've got 5.4.15 4.15 for the the hour and what do we Colleen? How do So you've got
the what a holiday in here. They're all funny. They're funny. >> No, it was a it was a that Monday. I was I should have written it on there, but uh that Monday the 23rd was a snow day. They
>> Oh, that's right. Okay. That that's right. >> Yeah. So that's how it comes up to that that number. >> Yeah. It's kind of an odd number, but it kind of Yeah, that's how it came up. >> That's what it is. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Bill and Lee, are you okay with that? >> Yes. All set. >> Yes. Yep.
>> I I am too, Colleen. So that's that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next one is our account receivable. And uh by the way, I I was talking to
Bobby Sheen today at a looking at some deep polls. In fact, we'll get further than that. But I had told him that that my potential competition said that our meetings were too long and our fees were too high. And and Bob said, "You know, I
think sometimes your meetings are too long, too, but I guess sometimes they are. I like short meetings, but so our total for accounts receivable, not for
payments to the treasurer is $2,610. Of that, $350 is for board of health permits. Licenses are $610. Board of Health fees are $1,650.
And that's it. Comes out $2,610. Are are we okay with that? Sure. Yes. >> I am too calling. So that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next the next one
>> is the permit to operate a food establishment and it is early mugs. It's a renewal for over 25 ft. >> That's for for this year. There you go.
>> Um, are we okay with that? >> Yep. >> Yes, >> I am too, Belling. So, that's approved. >> Okay. >> The next one is
I have a COC for 44 Taylor Street. Now, unless Colleen, you have some different information. I don't have it all, but the the I didn't put it
>> as >> from the designer >> when I look at it does not have it's got a a grid >> of item. Okay. So, >> but >> for a layout >> does not have any references other than
to event to the SAS. doesn't have a reference to the the debox which seems like an important thing to have in a septic system. So that as built doesn't have it. The other is Colleen
sent a note to us saying that that in fact I got a call from the there I guess a new contractor on the job and he actually was
>> oh what what happened to the what happened to uh the guy from Hampton? I don't know, but this man's name is Kevin. >> And Colleen sent the thing from the well people that said this well is not
abandoned. There's an abandoned well that's part of the septic system design >> and it's not abandoned. And he says they won't pay him or something, but it's not abandoned. And my feeling, mine is that
we ought to tell Tom Lu that he needs to have the reference to the on the ads built to the to the uh debox in the SAS and he all and and that well needs to be abandoned.
That's part of his design. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I don't I don't think we should give the PLC I remember spotting that well a couple of months ago, >> right? >> But and and the new wells in, I guess. Is that true?
>> Yeah, the new wells in and tested. >> Okay. >> But the if we don't abandon this well before we approve this, it's never going to get abandoned. >> I agree. I had a call. >> I had a call today or when I was out uh yesterday, I think he called
>> Chris Abbott from Connecticut Valley and who I talked to about the abandoned well. He didn't leave a message just other than for me to call him. So, I called him today, but he wasn't in. So, I don't know if he was going to tell me something had changed, but I he didn't
get back to me. So, I don't know. So Lee, you do you agree also? We just didn't approve this. >> Well, Lee's recused on that one, Dick. >> Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. >> House. Yeah. No, I agree, Dick. >> I agree with you. Let's hold off until
everything's done. >> Okay. The next one that I have is a debox replacement on six Jennifer Drive. uh that they title five said it it was bad that Lee must have it looks like
this was a I think it's a Neil Jackson when one of those quickies that he does and correct are we all set with this one Lee >> yeah it's uh it's in and done yes uh his uh helper Bob Norman installed that
>> okay I see Bob well so we can I guess we can approve this. I'm going to then ask a question when we get to the the title five because I'm I
I don't know is is is Bob actually a title five inspector or or does he >> or does he work on Neil's license? >> But that's a good question, Dick. I met him once on a job site, Bob Nolan. Nice
guy. But you're right. I don't know. I don't know if he's a soil evaluator or an SI. >> I don't even think he's a soil evaluator. >> I think he is um I think he's good with a shovel.
>> He is good with a shovel, >> but but yeah, the the points are valid. I don't know what background is. I think he's Neil's right-hand guy to do field work. >> Yeah. you usually what happens is at the
end of the day um he'll call me and I'll meet him on site someplace but that being said what took place uh five hours prior to that I have no idea
>> whether he together were there or what >> yeah so where in terms of this one you've seen it installed and it it's done so I We can we can say that we approve the the permit and I guess that when it comes in where since it's done we should
say the COC's done too. So when Colleen sees it? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Is that Bill? You okay with that? >> Yeah. Oh yeah. That's fine. I I did have a a before I leave that one of the other
engineers did point out and he said you know when I look at your your meetings you got you got two people you've got at at this point that routinely
are designing septic systems and you know we've got Bobby and and Neil Neil is in a in a spot that that Neil is is well removed that Neil doesn't design this. Well, he
does I don't know if he kind of designs it, but he certainly doesn't draw it. And and so you got another in the case of of Neil, that person doing the stamping of the drawing is a is a
registered sanitarian, I think, and and Bobby is an engineer. But neither of those engineers even show up, you know, when we have our meetings, they don't even show up to listen to what's going on. And they've got a stamp on the
drawing. And and when we ask questions, we're not asking questions of the guy that's got a stamp. We're asking on some in Neil's case, it's not even the person that drew it. So, so I don't know. Maybe at a minimum
we ought to be saying if your name's on the if you're stamped on the drawing, you have to be at the meeting. That's fair. >> That's reasonable. >> You know, Neil's the CEO of his company and he's got these employees and subcontractors,
but you're right. The subcontractor is the guy with the stamp. >> Yeah. >> And the same thing with Bob and Mr. Lame. Yeah. So anyway, then I'm I'll >> very reasonable.
So, I recognize that I've I've gone through the design with with both of both Bob and Neil and and have things straightened out beforehand, but but still it at least coming with for you
two guys to be able to talk and and the three of us when we start kicking something around, we're not talking about someone. I don't I don't even know if these they have stamps, but I don't know if they know what I'm guessing they do know what they're doing, but but
anyway, so Colleen, maybe you can the next time I'm both the next time we see a design for both of these guys is to say and I'll I'll be talking to them both as as part of the reviews >> and just to say, "Hey, we we want that person to show up."
>> Okay. Yeah. The the next one I have is a Jerry Cair lot 2 Chabe Street well location per or well permit. Now when I look at at page two that and I don't I guess I
must have I must have looked at it the design some time ago for the septic system and usually I'm really careful to have the the well located but I've got a drawing that that's submitted with this
application that shows a well located within a foot of 100 f feet of the the septic tank and it looks like it's within
Yeah, that within maybe 110 ft of the SAS and there's no dimensions on the location of the well other than to show it's really close.
And Lee, if you're going out there to locate this, I I hope you don't have this drawing because you are not going to be able to locate it. >> I was out there probably uh I don't know, six, eight months ago
and I believe that house is framed. So I other than that, I've not been requested to do anything. So, in fact, I drove by there today and there's a new house there. >> Is the septic tanking yet, Dick?
>> I didn't see that. I It was There's a lot of activity and I I wasn't going to look at that. I was actually headed to Beltown and and it it just surprised me because I said, "Wow, there's a new house."
And it was much further along. Only thing only thing that could help you is you can see where the maybe the sore pipes coming out of the foundation in the basement and that way you can kind of ascertain where the septic tank is going to be and work off of that. But
again, I would strongly recommend you do it with the presence of the Who's the designer on the leech on that one? >> Can't tell. It looks It looks like Allan White. >> Allen. >> Yeah, maybe Allan should go out there with Lee in person. >> Well, that's what I think. or else give
us a drawing, Colleen, and say, "We're not going to approve this design because you can't tell where the well is." And let let Allan be the one that that puts it down so that whenever if Lee's going out to to locate it, he can have them measure from stuff and say, "Okay,
that's where you said otherwise otherwise it's us that locating this." >> That's right. >> Okay. So anything anything further has to be on site with Allen. Okay. Okay. That's not that's not an issue.
>> Jake, this is crazy. He's not supposed to even get a building permit unless the wells in and you demonstrate portable water. >> Yeah, you're right. How is this how is that happening? >> How did he get a building permit? >> Maybe this is not the right lot. Maybe
the lot that that Lee's talking about and I'm talking about is the lot that's that's to the the uh north of this. >> Well, it must be >> this paperwork just came in the application.
That was it. So, I called Jerry Kodier and said, "Which lot is this?" Because I know you got lot one and lot two. >> There's several lots there. There's several lots. >> So, he said it's lot two. the one I'm doing the house now on. So I pulled out the design and and c you know made a
copy to put with the application because yeah there was nothing with it. It didn't even say lot two. So I called Jerry like I said. So um yeah that was that's the lot to design that. Well, for sure, for sure
the installer who signed this should be putting what lot it's in, not Jerry >> because it's the installer who's who the signature of the well driller that's on this. And it it shouldn't be you,
Colleen, filling out things that are missing on the form. And they shouldn't be trying to put a well in in a plate without a drawing. And Bill is absolutely right. We should be >> we should be asking Colleen, maybe you
can give Tom a call tomorrow and ask him how we've got got a house going in without a well. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. They got to show sight locuses on those because I know those are newly carved out lots, but I think they might
be on the latest assessor's map, but got to be very careful in designating those. >> Yeah. >> And we got to get used to doing this, Dick. When they build the 75 lots up on Carver Street, this is going to be >> going to be trouble up the kazoo.
>> You're gonna have lots. You're gonna have That's right. you're gonna have welds in the wrong locks and you're so we're not going to approve that one either. >> Okay. >> So, >> can't >> the next one. So, that gets rid of those. Let's do the
the we go back to Colleen. Maybe in this particular case with the the title five inspection, we actually have Bob Norman is the one that's submitting it, not Neil Jackson. So, we ought to find out if Bob Norman
in fact can do this and has a license for it. >> Pauline, you can look him up on that. The the new pick has the list of soil system inspectors on. >> No, I think he is on there. I mean, I'll double check, but I think he is an
inspector. >> I think I've looked him up before, but uh I I'll double check, but >> he's you can look that up. >> Pretty sure. Yeah, >> it looks like both of these the the one on 23 Morgan Street I think it's one of the a brand new house
that that that pass they both are looks like they're fill systems are 5 ft to water they've got uh they're big enough and they've got 1500galon tanks and we just did Jennifer
Drive was the one with the the new debug So, are we okay with those? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, Colleen, I am too. >> Okay, >> the next the next item that I have
Oh, I actually one's another easy one. We had approved an Allen Katawit uh design a house. Bobby Sen's design is on Carver Street as you're as you pass
Lion Street going up towards Dowski. So towards Beltown just as the the pond is on your right. You you pass what was Gilski's old garage and then just there's a road that or a
driveway that goes out into the back at the base of the hill. This is right in that spot. And I went in today with I think it was in December that we we did the perk test in there. They wanted to move it from where it had been approved.
And uh we approved the system subject to deepoles being the water table being done in March and April. I went there today that we were down 120 inches with no and there was no there's no models
and no water. So So I think we're we're set to let Colleen let that go. They they've done it. >> Yeah. They came in for their wetland permit last night. Dick. By the way, the well in the back of that property is a true artisian well. The water comes off
the hill. Oh yeah. It's but it comes right out of the top of the riser. >> It's uncontrollable. Uncontrollable. Yep. >> So, under Massachusetts apparently doesn't have a a law or some kind of a regulation that requires capping.
There's a lot of other states that won't let you let that water come out like that. >> Well, he's got a cap on. It's not sealed properly. We had a big discussion at conservation last night because he's going to have ever running water out of that well unless he puts a watertight
cap on that. So, I don't know what he's gonna do, >> but uh boy oh boy, it it flows about five gallons a minute out of that well. But >> it's a lot. >> Oh, yes. >> Oh, yes. Oh, yes. He's got a little pond right next to it. >> Little pond. Yep.
>> So, our next item is the animal inspector. And I did Colleen talked to Kim and I talked to to Kim Goldsmith today. I said, "Gee, we're I'm doing I'm doing
copies of what we're going to talk about tonight and and you're on the list and I'd like to It's been a couple years since I talked to to Kim. It was uh I think when we were going to put her in as the assistant animal inspector and
and we talked about she had already was the dog officer and and uh I learned some stuff from Kim. One is is apparently at least according to Kim that that Tom
was having a lot of trouble. I knew his his knee was in trouble and he wasn't walking very well, but apparently he he actually wasn't going into the barns and and Kim for I think for the last year has done the animal inspecting anyways,
but she's very she's very upbeat. She's very enthusiastic. And I I said, you know, we're we had some trouble. I said it, Bill, I think, is the one who brought it up three years
ago about conflict of interest. The potential that here you're an animal inspector and then you have to to uh quarantine dogs and all of a sudden we end up with you actually quarantine and holding dogs that that you're
responsible for telling people to send them to your place where you make the money. and and the potential of conflict is is there. I said, "Maybe you should get, you know, another kennel or something and to work with." And she
says, "No." She says, "That's not what happened." She says, "We we quarantine dogs in place. They're they're quarantined at their their house." But she says if anybody gets gets charged
there's only one time that that they ended up picking up a dog and and taking it and charging for it. But she says when they do it, she she doesn't get any money for it. She actually gives the the
town does the billing and the town gets the money. So she doesn't she it's a thing that she basically give the gratus to the to the town but it doesn't even go through her hands. So she said she's aware of it and uh she
says for inspection the of her building that she uses the a guy from Belchure Town and the one of the guys from South Adley to come in and do her stuff so that she's not in conflict. So, she she
actually was really really enthusiastic and it it it was refreshing to hear someone that that wasn't tired of doing the job. I don't And she said she she cared. She said, "I grew up in the town
and and I care about the town." And she said, "I really care about the animals." >> So, my feeling is she's a a great find. >> That's nice. Are you still dick? Is she will she be on board the thing for 20 years or so?
>> No. I I don't know how I' I don't think I've met her. I've talked to her husband a couple times. They they live on if if you go out go out Taylor Street and
after you if you come from the center of town make the the big turn at where Trouy comes in >> and head to the head to the left and you go up that that hill and there's a hard turn to the right
>> but before you get to where where the nuts and bolt place where Bob's farm farm was >> there are like four houses on the left. >> Yes. and hers I think is the second from the end is I think it's a black house
but there's a little there's a little horse corral around the side of the house and there's usually I think there's usually a a horse trailer there but that's where she lived and I I'm guessing that just in fact when I
was when I was done talking I told my wife I said you know I I don't think that that uh Kim is my age. I said, "She sounds she sounds very very exuberant."
And I said, "And my wife says, "Well, how old do you think she is?" I know we're not supposed to judge anything, but right >> in terms of of whether we think we've got somebody that'll be with us. >> I If you were to tell me if someone were to tell me that she was 43, if they were
to say that to me, I didn't look it up. I should have looked it up in the street, >> but that's that's what I would have said. >> But >> yeah, I think she might be a lot. That's great. >> Yeah. I don't know how old she is, but she's quite a bit younger than all of us.
>> That's good. That's good. >> Everybody is. >> So, I think you're in the ballpark, Dick, somewhere. >> In fact, my my brother's my next youngest brother is is in fact 77 yesterday. And I said, you know, Gary, I
said, I went into the store to buy a a birthday card for you. And I went into the memorial ages area and I said, "I'm sad to tell you, you were older than the ones I had a gap of five years. I could
get 75s and 80s." I said, "The bad news is I couldn't buy you a 75 anymore. The good news is I didn't have to buy you the 80." >> There you go. Yeah.
>> So, the animal inspector. I remember we had before Tom Flebot, we had Giles for a while. >> I know. And and Giles was Giles started off being pretty enthusiastic, but I I think what happened is is I think Giles
could was up in the Hilltowns and that's where he was living. And I I think it it got to be a a problem to for him. I think as as he kind of disengaged from Franny's area and I think he was
even farming some of from Franny's land for a while. So So he was in our area but I think once he once he split from that it it was harder for him to do it. >> Now who do we have who was before Giles?
That's what I'm trying to think of. I I it just I wonder it couldn't have been Franny. It could have been Franny for some after Franny got off the board, but I don't think so. >> But I remember when I first got up when I first got on the board, I think we
hired Giles, so there must have been someone a predecessor to Giles, but I don't remember who it was. >> That's what I'm trying to think of, too. And and And I'm just wondering I just wondering if if Franny I don't think it
was George Galucha. I think George may have been a what do they call it? A fence officer, a field driver or something. And uh >> but I don't think it was George. >> And uh
but it is interesting to to try to think of of >> Yeah, >> it is >> who they were. So no. Well, so the next item that that we have is
let's see where there we didn't do the discussion for the the rental units, but let's the approval of building department applications. What bill? What do we have? Do you have any that you can report on for us that that you've been doing?
>> We had Oh, um Scott Merrill's house on Harris. I Tom uh Quinland and I found evidence that the net change in bedrooms is zero on that property. >> Okay. >> So, that one's fine. So, that one went through.
>> Okay. >> Which was fine. Um still haven't heard from 415 Bachelor Street. They're in limbo on that project. That's the one with the with the big master bedroom on top the garage. >> And Tom gave him a permit to put the
foundation in, but that's it. The foundation for the garages and they're kind of at a standstill on that project. >> Okay. >> And then of course, >> yeah, we had that 135 South Street uh situation at that apartment complex.
That's I think that's resolved. >> Okay. They they were actually going to go in there and do some mold testing. Dick Colleen, did did um the the woman that works in Northampton for us, did she report on the findings of the mold
analysis on that apartment? >> Uh >> 135 South. >> I don't think so. I think >> Yeah. I mean, I know I had some inspection information that she sent, but on the
mold testing itself, no, I don't think so. >> Okay. Was that something, Dick, that we should be privy to? I'm thinking those >> Yeah, I would find out what the answer is for sure. >> Yeah, >> because I think the issue was they covered up some plumbing after a leak, a
plumbing leak, but they didn't check for mold prior to the covering up. So, I think they're going to open up the ceiling, take some samples, and then recover the ceiling if if it were absent of mold. >> Okay. >> So, that was it. Otherwise, again, with
the snow and everything, it's been fairly quiet on the building permit. >> Okay. >> Okay. Colleen sent out a note from the fire chief that essentially said, "Gee, if if we end up going into a house," and he was
specifically talking about hoarding. And he said, "What if we go into a house for some reason and find out there's a hoarding problem and we've got to talk to someone at at midnight?" and I and he was asking Colleen for some information
that and on who they should call. My my general feeling is unless there's there's some kind of a structural issue that's going to kill somebody, why do you have to resolve a hoarding problem at midnight?
>> I agree. >> Yeah. Yeah. It just and you know for for regular regular serious emergency board of health stuff our our numbers are are published
and you know if there's a fire that needs something and that's an emergency we get called but but certainly I would hope that I would hope that they wouldn't be calling us out at midnight because the that someone had and that
the normal hoarding process would probably be in our case maybe to to get Northampton people in to to do that inspection. >> I would think >> that makes sense. So that the answer would be Colleen I
guess if the they could call if they re if they couldn't get uh even they would be able to get one of us whether start with you Colleen and then the the three of us but that we'd be directing them to to Northampton that that's got the
inspectors and the legal >> humps behind it. >> Okay. Our final item for tonight is to talk about our rental property.
And I did I I got I would guess, Colleen, while you were in Florida that you didn't talk to many people about rental properties. >> No. >> Here. >> But I did get a hold of them. I tried to
get a hold of Sharon Hart and I did not get a hold of her. But I got a hold of someone returned the call that that didn't really tell me who they were. I had a terrible connection. But what she told me is that Southley does require a
permit for a rental property. The board of health requires it, but she said that they don't charge any money for it. And it it sounds like it's just a way of of keeping track of what they have in
the town. Of course, if you look at South Hadley, it's it's really really heavily supported with with city water and heavily supported with with sewers. so that the the issues that we're
talking about are not the ones that they see, but they they they definitely are trying to have a handle on how many and rental units there are and where they are in the town. Well, I'm Yeah, we got to think about
how to proceed because again, based on that 31 Ammer Street, Dick, again, that house, unbeknownst to anybody, they ended up with two rentals that we didn't even know about in there. >> Right.
>> Right. And we had another one that was the same way that the the I think it was Greg that that found it. I'm not sure. Was it ever resolved? There was a a house on the on the corner
of uh let's see, Taylor Street. I think Taylor Street turns at Carver Street and goes towards the south. I think it's still Taylor Street when it heads towards Bloodlow. It changed his name someplace
in there when you turn to the to the to the right right at at the near Redfire Farms. And but right in there there was another house that had someone in the cellar >> with no no eress.
>> Oh. Oh. >> You know, if they had a a fire on the first floor, they were done. They were trying to smash windows and try to get out of a solar window. >> Wow. the so the I guess the
we're definitely going to get into issues with these ADS there's another another one coming that Neil was working on and and I just I certainly if I were looking at a
minimum a minimum would be that you should have a license and you should be testing water to make sure you're not making people sick. That neither one of those. And especially if
in South Hadley's case, they're just saying there's no no fee in involved with it. What what would be the Lee and Bill that just looking what would be the reason we wouldn't want to know about rental
units? >> What's the reason we would not want to know? >> Yeah. If you're if you just said we're we're in a spot that that we're at at at the minute, let's say you wanted to do South the way Southley did
it, then you say, "Okay, we're not going to charge anybody for anything and we're not going to at at this at this decision point." You say, "We're not going to do anything to you other than to say you have to tell us that you have a you have
to have a permit. It's free. and you have to tell us you have it. >> Now the question is by rental unit we mean a dwelling unit with a separate entrance egress. Correct. >> No, but you'd have to say it's a
separate dwelling unit. >> Now here's the other thing. How about if you have livein borders? How do you distinguish the two? >> Well, that's different. It's not a dwelling unit. Then that falls into the rooming house thing. So >> you're taking you're taking payment for
someone living in your house. >> Kind of the same thing. >> Well, that's a that becomes a different issue on the next one. >> Yeah. Well, actually, maybe you maybe it's exactly what what you're saying, Bill,
that if you are taking payment for anybody that's living in property that you own, you need to have a permit. >> Makes sense to me.
>> Lee, I don't hear you. No, no. I'm I'm I'm I'm listening um as I'm thinking and it seems to be um it seems to be a given that that would
be in place, but it's not obviously. Um, I would think that the fire department would be very anxious to uh know about that from a safety
perspective. And um the um I don't think there's going to be anything, you know, no violence, but every once in a while you'll get a complaint about a tenant who is upset
about something that the landlord did and no one knows that, as you pointed out earlier, that they've even had a somebody living there, which raises another level of questions. But but I think the the defining
characteristic is is money or payment exchange the luxury of someone living in somebody's house? >> That's kind of the key question. But again, nobody's admit to that. >> People aren't going to admit to that. That's the problem. >> Well, regardless of whether they admit
to it, when you get them if you make it a regulation, then you say, "Okay, you're you're violating the regulation when you when you catch it." And you could you could get you could get uh the tax collector to put it on their tax in
a packet with the tax bill saying you need to register this just we could write whatever it is up and say you have to do that and and then we you know it's probably going to take us a few years to get it all the way done.
>> Oh yeah, >> Dick. It's a it's a sticky wicket, too, because if someone's living in somebody's house by rights, they should be on the street list for that year. They should be listed in the street list. >> They should be, >> right? Even if they're a renter, they should be on the street list,
>> right? But they don't have to fill it out. And that, you know, I don't think there's a law that says you you have to do that. But in in this >> Yeah, you could find it. You could take tell Colleen, you know, Colleen, just go down the street list and see how many
places have different names in it and see >> see what you find. But >> yeah, ultimately ultimately what I'm still at at the point that I think we we
should be saying if you do the the ADU, you have to be dealing with with the supply of water and the sewage. If you're going to have someone go there, they need to You can argue that they can put sweaters on if you lose heat and you
have candles for losing light, but you still have to be able to drink and and poop. >> Yep. Yep. >> But but >> is do you think any of this data um is uh already
compiled uh from theor's office? So I don't know if they actually go into people's homes or not. >> They have some >> I protocol in Granby is assessors do not go into the dwellings in South Adley
they do. In South Adley they do. I know that for a fact. In Grandby they do not I believe. >> Okay. Then the other the only only other other maybe then trying to just you know be more complete without
wasting a bunch of time. Maybe this is a waste of time on my part is to see and I don't know if they would or not have national grid provide how many services are at a certain address
they could do that. That would catch a that would catch a bunch of them. But that's what I mean. That's what I mean. If you have an electric house and you have a tenant, you're certainly not going to want to be paying, you know, $900 a month for heat
>> for your for your house and have the guy living in your basement. >> Standard bill for National Grid. >> Well, that's reality. >> Yeah, you certainly should be able to find that out. That is that's going to
say, "Holy mackerel, I have I've got six six sockets on this house that I thought is a single family house." >> Right. Right. And I'm guessing it's public information. >> I would guess I would get you don't.
That's right. But but it it has to start with our deciding do we want to know it? And I I think we do want to know it. I and that if I were just starting off and look at the problems that we have that kind of not
unusual problems of people saying, "Hey, my water is no good. I'm renting a house. I'm renting an apartment and I I'm afraid of my water." That's not a that's not an uncommon thing that we hear, >> right? You hear that or you know um we
get the complaint of housing court or something where someone has been renting and they never fixed the screen or there's mold in the in the bath. >> That's a bathtub. >> That's a different kind of thing. >> But but >> Right. But I mean but it exposes the the
inner workings of um a dwelling unit um which is existing behind the scenes. >> Right. That's right. That's right. And of course all the data would should be shared between the uh the safety
complex for me um a common knowledge scenario so that police and fire are aware of um just how many people are in fact residing at you know >> right
>> again 31 street case in point right there person living in Louisiana single for Absolutely. And if if you if you did it and then we got into it and and said, "Gee, this is this is what we want to
know about." Heck, you can find all sorts of things, but it it seems like the first thing you want to know is how many are there, then you can figure out what you're going to do with it. But especially if if you start off saying
be if we end up having to have a a lot of costs associated with doing this then you could say okay we we need to have a we need to have a fee with it because there's there's money involved. Um
certainly the that the the person that that owns it could say, "Hey, I'm paying taxes on having an apartment here. So the worst the the least you could do is is not charge me for the license to be
paying you for the taxes." And and the person I guess that's not going to be very happy with it is the person that says, you know, I built this whole addictions or I' I've modified the inside of my house without a permit and I've I'm renting it for, you know,
$1,500 a month and I didn't want to get caught. But >> yeah, >> I'm sure that's uh very uh very common. Very common. Yeah, I agree, Lee. >> Very
>> probably hundreds in town. >> I would guess that. >> Yeah, >> I would say. >> Yep. >> So, I' I'd offer that we should do this. We as the first step just do this. Find out what we have. We are gonna We
definitely have got to talk about whether on on new ADUs, but this will be separate than this. But on new ADUs, if we say if you're going to build a new one, you're gonna you are going to have good water. You t Bill, you and Lee have
talked about this about someone throwing in an ADU and what they're doing for a water supply and you don't just hook up a hose going into the other unit and hope for the best. Mhm. >> You know, we're we're doing
something with it, but but and we can do it with again with adus with brand new ones. You can do it. You're you're not doing anything to anybody else. But but it I'd offer that we should we should
start with a a free permit, but make them get the permit. Mhm. >> It's a good start. >> So, when do we want it? Do we want to start it with I guess we could I guess we could just
say that it can start anytime we want. We can we can say that it's quite a >> I wonder when the next >> Dick, we're going to have to advertise this in the newspaper and have a public hearing, I guess. Thanks. I don't know about a public
hearing, but >> you might want to talk to Brian. >> Colleen. Yeah. Can Colleen, >> thank you. >> Can you can you find out if you you can talk to our friends at am in Northampton and tell them that's what we want to do
>> and what do we have to do to >> can we just do it or do we have to Bill said deal with it like a septic regulation? So, if there's going to be a free permit
um for all all people that that charge for living in a
in a facility. Now, how do Okay. Whatever, Bill, when you're thinking about it, is it >> could be it could be a border. >> Yeah. But how many permits they're free?
So if so, so what you could do is any dwelling unit that has people living in it for a fee.
As long as you said every dwelling unit that has someone living in it for a fee, that would mean if there are three borders, that would be in one dwelling unit, that would be one permit. If you had four dwelling units like on uh that
we have these forplexes that would be four dwelling units. So there are four permits. >> Then it's it's measurable. >> Four permit. Yes. Okay. So a permit for each dwelling unit. >> Unit. That's right.
>> Okay. >> That has people living in it for a fee. Do we want to say for I get a fee whatever the the fee doesn't have to be money is. So if someone says
you have to work for me for eight hours to be able to live here that's a fee. >> That's yeah barter system. Yeah. >> So that's what we want to do and we're not going to charge for it. and see what we have to do to to be able
to promulgate that regulation and enforce it. >> And we ought to do it right. I think >> I'm looking at it from the I'm looking at it from the renters's perspective. The renter is going to say, well, if I now have to take a permit out now, I am
subject to scrutiny from the board of health. Right. That's that's and >> I'm now I'm subject to scrutiny from the tax man. >> Right. >> Right. So these people I in my opinion are not going to be motivated to
participate in this program. That's my gut feeling. >> Right. So, what that tells you is exactly what you were talking about, Bill, is that if you're going to do that, then
you're probably going to at least a couple times end up in court. So, you better have adopted the regulation in the right way. Yes. >> So, you don't get it thrown out when you try to do something with it.
Yes, that's exactly correct. So, we got to dot the eyes cross the te's on this one. >> In fact, it probably at the same time it's probably worthwhile to give Brian a call, too. >> Yeah, I think so because last thing we
want is to be in the Hampshire Gazette Board of Health adopts illegal regulation. That wouldn't look good >> or get thrown out when we try to do something with it. >> And if you ever if we ever try to build on it, if it's if you had a base that's
no good, it's not going to work at all. >> That's right. Okay, that's good. Very >> I'll give I'll give Brian a call before our next meeting and see what he does. >> Okay. So anyway, I guess we're that's all I had.
What do we have other than that that's going on? >> Very efficient meeting. It's 8 o'clock sharp. >> Colleen, when is our next our next meeting? >> Uh the 24th. I think >> 24th.
>> Yeah. Bill, that's a good one for you. >> Yeah, that's a Tuesday. That's fine. Tuesday's fine. >> And then the next one, Colleen, is the >> That would be >> seventh. April >> April 7th.
>> That That's actually good. Yeah, that that goes off cycle with conservation, so that's good. >> That's not So yours isn't the 7th, still? >> Yeah, we're I'm fine. Yeah, because we meet on the 14th. So we can meet the 7th and the 21st with no problem. Yeah, I think he was he was good with no
conflict until I think it was July or something. >> Yeah. Yeah, we're we're off cycle now, which is good. >> Okay. So, I'll get those I'll get those posted. >> And >> um Colin, uh a quick question. Is there a sugar house or some other operation
um up on um >> Harris Mountain? Yeah, maybe uh maybe likeund in the 150 range. >> Yes, I believe the number is in the 150s
I believe. Yes, 156 158 something like that. Um Harris Mountain Sugar Shack. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Remember Eddie Parker used to do his dick across the street? That's right.
>> And there's a >> there's another one, at least it looks to me like one on uh on the old Kizier farm. It it looked to me like there's there's one as you as
you head south from the farm itself where that where their parking lot was going to be, there's a wall that's on their south side and the cleared area. Then right after that it goes up a little bit and I think there's a sugar
stack in there. I don't know that but it looked like it to me. I don't know there Ed Parker never had any any regulations from us on it.
>> I I don't think he did but I I had been there numerous times. He had a nice set steel evaporator. Very nice. Yeah. I wonder if they're unregulated because it's all sugar. So there's nothing growing in it.
>> Yeah. It's high temperature and all sugar. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It might be exempt. >> Nothing nasty is going to get evaporated. >> Yeah. He had I had talked to him about it that they he used to have to dump big
bass vats of it sometimes. that stuff actually did grow in it. >> Oh, really? >> Really? >> Yeah. And it it would grow. He he tried to keep it from freezing. That was an enemy that he had. But but he could deal with that. You'd see him break the ice
off the top and throw it away. But he said if he kept it too long, there was some kind of mold that grew in it. And it wasn't the problem that the mold made you sick because as you said, you boil it away. It said it changed the flavor of the maple syrup.
>> And he he would just dump the whole batch. >> Oh, didn't know that. >> But somehow he knew what it was. He knew very well what >> when he see it, he said, "Okay, it's bad." >> Yeah. I suppose once you do a long enough, you pick it up.
>> That's right. when you know, especially if you say, "Gee, I just put all this wood into, you know, evaporating 45 gallons of water to get a gallon of this stuff and then it's no good." You probably said, "Let's not boil that water away unless
we know it's good." >> Exactly. Yeah. A lot of work. >> So, >> so anyway, I'm done then. If you guys are >> Okay. Well, good evening everybody. Good night everybody. >> Good night. >> Great.
>> Welcome back. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Good to be back.