[music] Okay, it's November 24th at 5:30 p.m. I'm opening the Graanby Planning Board. [clears throat] um minutes not until next we'll have those ready >> correspondence there's nothing there >> so we'll jump right into the ANRS first
one on the agenda uh Bernett Road or Bernett Street anybody here from Bernett Street for the ANR >> do you have so you're here for that one do you have the Is this the answer that one.
>> This offer Yeah, but I want to see what we're getting first. >> You want to go up and explain to us what what's going on here, please? >> So, yes,
>> that's it. So there's no frontage on this. >> And their reason. So they're just they're creating a sphere. Is that a shape? >> Thank you. All right. I'll entertain a motion
to approve the ANR for Bernett Bernett Street. >> Make a motion we approve the R as presented on Bernett Street. >> Have a second. Any further discussion? >> No. >> All in favor? >> I
>> I motion carries. >> Okay. Next up, Porter Street. Anybody here from Porter? All right. Um, >> do you want to just wait till then and we can put them over here and
>> then we can move this? >> Yeah. Which this is the one we got to sign anyway. So, >> Dakota, there's there five copies there with two ANR or with two >> milers. Excuse me. >> All right. Awesome.
The only thing I'll say was the check. >> Say that again. >> Do you imagine the check which I have when she's going to show him? >> Okay. Well, those will be sitting down there and when I they go down in town.
Actually, they're going to be sitting here, right? With Kathy downstairs. All right. >> Kathy's office is right in the apartment. >> All right. So swing in tomorrow and whenever she's in drop the check off. It's it's 125 so
far. So she do 50 and they'll be here to pick up. >> Yeah. >> So what are we looking at here? This is >> So you're cutting this piece out. Set it back there for front edge. 125. Okay.
>> 2.69 acre. visit brothers. Well, it is actually it says it's not, but it qualifies. >> Um, >> yeah, I was going to say, why don't you wait until you transfer it over? You
only have to do it once. Okay. >> You say why it has to be done separately. >> No, that's too much to be done. Just do this first and then then >> Okay. Okay. Okay. So, it needs to deto the property. Okay. Got it.
>> Yep. Okay. Makes sense. >> All right. So, I'll entertain a motion. >> Okay. We may have a motion to approve the ANR as presented. >> I'll second that motion. >> Any further discussion? >> All in favor?
>> I was the check for paying for this. >> Great. >> Okay. >> My own purpose. Is this 250 >> same >> because it's a modification of this one? >> It's a modification because now this has
to be registered and this has to be >> two different parcels. >> Yeah. >> So it's a cold hill. Is there anybody here for the Cold Hill ANR? It's a no, I guess. I guess. >> Well, let's let's
go. You want to record >> that against the area. Oh, sorry. In a couple years, we would have just He goes, "The reason
I mean that's one way and then we're almost right." So just one sunrise goes like up here almost going down in come back here over here.
Yeah. >> Yeah. Me. people like their food when we start. >> No, bullet point there.
that spar get on stage instead. What is this guy? Really nice. That's >> great. Yeah. Seven years
ago. I need people go down. What is happening here? agreement has really been down But I won't do that.
eventually this Okay. went down to That's one big fire. So that
Can I be doing nothing? No. I guess not here. sometimes. >> Where's the application for the other one? >> For which one? >> It didn't come with an applic We didn't see the application.
>> Which one? >> That's the one I gave the lady when we had Kathy. We gave her the national actual application she th >> So you left her with the the application
and the check was done with that she of course you know she doesn't work. >> All right. So then >> if the check's been received, you're you can take your myar and you're all set. >> No, I haven't checked
the check. >> 250 125 per lot. 250 total. >> Okay. >> Please. Okay. Next on the agenda, um site plan approval for the construction of outdoor units. This isn't voted correctly.
It's not construction. Um, but anyway, it's a site plan approval for the construction of outdoor sheds and the pro on the property under section 6.3 site plan approval of the Graanby planning the [clears throat] Graby zoning bylaws applicable to
section 4 overlay district regulations 4.44 44 use regulations within the mixeduse development overlay district at 185 West State Street and known as assessor's map 3-D1
in the town of Graanby Mass 195 West State Street LLC Maryland owner applicant okay so I'm going to kind of recap on what I know about this before you give us a
your presentation. So, um, you were before the ZBA and you were de declined or denied a permit to to operate and [clears throat] subsequently it went to court. I don't
know if it was land court or superior court, but um the the judge kicked it back to see if the town could settle this without without getting into any further legal
issues. I've talked with town council about this. I actually called me the other day because I think they're on some sort of a deadline, too, to to get back to the to the uh >> Thank you. through the courts. >> So, um, you have representation here.
Okay. So, why don't So, that's that's sums it up. I'll let I'll turn this over to you and you can >> Yeah. You want to sit? You want to stand? What do you want to do? >> Whatever you feel comfortable. This is this is it. You probably to sit in front of the mic. You can be heard.
>> All right. Good. Uh, for the record, Tom Rey, I'm an attorney with Bacon Wilson out of Amoris here on behalf of 185 West State Street LLC. I think the chairman did a terrific job of giving you a summary of how we got here. Uh, I know that Jamie and Marilyn were here uh
maybe a month or so, maybe even more at that point talking through procedure to figure out what actually um is the right next step. I've also I sent an email to the building commissioner who I think forwarded it to town council. I've had several discussions with town council as
it relates to this. Um, and so, uh, looking at the zoning bylaw because it's in a mixeduse overlay district, there's, uh, the availability of it's section 4.4, uh, retail uses allowed by site plan approval. And so that's why we're here
in front of you asking for that site plan approval for the retail sales outdoor of the the sheds and the green houses. And then the saunas and the and the structures. Uh yeah, the saunas look pretty cool, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. If you've driven by, you can
see the ones that have the piping coming out. Those are saunas and somewhat popular, too. Um and so I mean, if I think kind of backing up, Marilyn and Jamie acquired this property several years ago and really have invested a lot
in it. I mean, they care about it. It's nice to see what they're bringing to town. Um, and they do it in a tasteful way and I think it's really looking to revitalize the that area. Um, they're always thinking of creative ways to draw
people in. Um, and I think this is just another one of those. So, I mean, we're happy to I think you've got the site in front of you in the application somewhat bare bones because what you see is is is what you get. Um, we're happy to answer any questions that you have as it relates to the use, but pretty simple,
just for retail use, uh, at that site. Thanks. So, it's an allowed use. um it got rejected from ZBA due the the bylaw of
um displaying and goods and um it's of my opinion that this one this doesn't fall into that category. I think they're storing the sheds there for the purchase for something to purchase.
and not being displayed in a way where it's obstructing traffic or um any type of eyesore. I think I think they need to look and to look to see how many are going to be allowed on the site because um
you have other tenants, you've got parking, you've got other things you want to do there. So um I don't know how many you have today or how many you've been averaging. You need to put some sort of a >> maximum >> yeah max on it
>> on it so that you're not you're not uh >> we're not ending up with parking issues with with with other businesses that are going on including your own. Well, if I if I may, you know, we may want to have that as instead of a number, right? So,
sauna, green houses, sheds, different size, right? So, if you say you can have 100 and they're 100 12x 20, that's a lot different than 100 8x10s, right? So it might be uh in a number to um not
detrimentally impact or impede uh trapping traffic or parking circulation something like that and then allow the business owners to work within there because they're going to keep those other occupants happy too. So you know instead of a set number it's probably
better to think about it that way. >> How many are there now? 75. >> Yeah, we had, you know, 75 at times, but the season is getting, you know, going downhill right now. So, we send it
out and we'll replenish again. >> Has it impacted your parking lot at all? from where the parks to where the first sheds are. There was a massive gap there. >> Do you have a site plan with you? >> It's board. It's in the packet
>> right here. So much better. So the ones in the front, they're [clears throat] kind of they're kind of screened, aren't they? >> The one the in the front >> road over to the edge. Yeah, I think topographically they're screened just
from the elevation of 202 as it relates to the site. >> So that in itself is keeping them from being displayed. You can't see them from below, right? Well, I think the post comes from senator jewelry box,
you know, 14 by 24. Maybe we don't run it but just maintain a certain amount of park. We don't really number I don't know if that's other than that
or something. and they're trying to spot space. >> Oh yeah, dude. I think they have plenty of parking where parking area used cars are. There's really not used cars nowadays.
They're >> not permanent structures, so there's no setback requirements. I don't I don't have any machines. Is there anybody here from the public that wants to speak about it?
Can any No, I think um the board has identified if there were any sort of concern um I think you've talked through that. I think one of the questions that I had was um you know not it not being a a non-permanmanent structure and and
Melissa made the point about um any sort of uh if there needed to be any sort of emergency service would there be any sort of um electrical or anything like that? >> No. >> No. Okay. So, >> and our truck has to get in and he's big
and he can get around and maneuver easily around all of the sheds and pal. So, >> and the truck is using the Gravit parking lot or is it this like the way that you have this outlined in the plan? Is that the area of which
the sheds would be located or is that an area where the sheds are located along it, but it's also meant for some like >> trucking trailer that delivers to um [snorts] in like directly to people's
backyards. >> Yeah. So we can get through like a 9 ft gap so we can put the sheds close together on our property and still navigate through. Is that what you're asking? I I was asking um so the
presumption is where you have parking on the gravel parking and if there happens to be someone parked there, the truck driver would not necessarily be using any sort of typical road. He would just try to
figure out how to get to that and pick it up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What time are like what what is the um time of loading and unloading is it >> um it it's really we we have no control
over him and his delivery when he has time. We've expressed for them the best days are Mondays and Tuesdays when tenants [clears throat] that our tenants takes it all day or weekend, Monday and Tuesday. So most of his deliveries come Mondays and Tuesdays and then
sporadically he'll have to that's when he delivers to us when he's picking up from our property to deliver to customers that can that >> does he come before 7? >> No, that's what you're getting 90 hours.
Yeah, it's it's more so the unloading and loading of the ve of the trucks uh and the ability of the truck to maneuver through what might be parked cars in that gravel parking. Um depending I I
don't know during a typical business day it's likely that they would be able to maneuver. It's just a matter of, I think, trying to solidify what that might look like on a day where one or two are either unloaded or loaded. Um, so that's probably one of
the, you know, kind of considerations that, >> yeah, I'd have a bigger problem if it wasn't if it if it [clears throat] was a tenant doing this versus the owner. >> Sure. There's also that. So, they're they're responsible for their own operation and putting controls in place
to do so. >> [clears throat] >> So, as far as I'm concerned, um I'm I'm fine with the way you're the way this is this site plan looks and the way it's being shown. Um is there anything that we we need to have in the
>> So board I would I would want you to um as we have in the past with regards to criteria uh under site plan um just ensure make mention of um either agreeing to or however you want to
address this but um in the past in your section 6 um >> yes 6.3 three. Um there are [snorts]
eight 19 of them 12 10 and um you know you've said this in the past. You've you've you've made mention of this in in your past decisions at least in the past year. Um you know considerations if the
development shall be integrated into the existing terrain and surrounding landscape. Usually you're just saying yeah it does cuz that's and so the decision will reflect those comments. I just want to the board to know that the board um that the decision will reflect
uh basically agreement on those criteria. Um, architecture style shall be compatible with the rural historic character and scale of buildings in the neighborhood and the town through the use of appropriate building material screening, breaks and roof and wall lines and other architectural
techniques. Is that applicable? >> Not applicable. And and I'll note again that the um the notice speaks to construction and it's not construction. But it's
>> I'd like to have that in our decision. >> It's it's storage. It's storage of of um sheds and that um >> under 4.44
1A. >> Yes. 44.1A is retail use, right? >> So really it's the retail use that's allowed. So that's it would be the sales of sheds >> versus construction >> versus construction >> versus I think it's it's a matter of
nuance. So, as the application and if the board is in agreement with that, and it sounds like they are, is that retail the decision will read where your um >> your public notice reads um that it's a
site plan approval for re retail sales of outdoor sheds on the property. >> Correct. >> Right. So, we're not going to mention anything about storage or display. It's the sales. >> Um construction >> not yeah or construction right um so
that was the architectural characteristics the third one is um the fourth one is the development shall be served with adequate water supply that's not applicable uh fifth one the plan shall maximize the convenience and safety of vehicular and pedestrian
movement within the site and in relation to adjacent ways is there any comment that you want to make on that other than that it's consistent with that. >> It's it's up to them to manage it. >> So, leave that in there.
>> Um the development the site plan shall show adequate measures to prevent pollution of surface or groundwater to minimize erosion and sedimentation and to prevent changes in groundwater levels, increase runoff and potential for flooding. The development will not place excessive
demands on town services and infrastructure. >> I electric telephone that's not applicable. Um exposed storage areas, machinery, service areas, truck loading areas, utility buildings and structures
and others unsightly uses shall be set back or screened to protect the neighbors from objectionable features. And I think that this site plan shows that. >> Okay. >> The setback's far enough and though it's not, it's screened with elevation and
and vegetation. >> Okay. And then uh finally, the site plan shall comply with any zoning requirements for parking loading dimensions, environmental performance standards, and other and all other provision of this bylaw.
>> How many parking spaces do you currently have? >> We've been over this guy. I know. >> Well, if you can't, how do you expect this to [laughter] >> only a lot of my
>> I can tell you this. We have never in the 3 years we've been there ever seen crowd. >> Yes. >> Like there's more than enough. It's our tenants are great cuz they're not all
there at the same time. Like he normally he's there early in the morning, late at night after everybody else is gone. And Kevin doesn't open up till 10:00 >> closes the door and Cinderelli, she's not even there on Sundays. She's about 3
days a week there. So [clears throat] >> parking is excessive. The only reason I was asking was in the long term more so I think we really need to just spell out but the you know that
it shouldn't infringe on the current working [clears throat] >> so as you have in the past that could be a condition of approach. That's just my biggest >> Say that again. >> As you've in the past where you've talked about for other permits or other
decisions where you've talked about um projects shall not increase storm water, right? This could be something similar where you're saying shall not infringe in existing parking or as um Mr. Rei said, >> I think that would be a stipulation.
>> Yeah. Not businesses that are are there. Um, >> and if I could, I guess the only thing instead of saying existing parking, just understanding the es and flows of kind of the market, right? Instead of saying, okay, you've got this gravel, it has to stay parking even though it's
underutilized, right? It's it's not necessary. I would just suggest maybe something more along the lines of you know whether the the structures the sheds uh shall not interfere the location the sighting of the shed shall not interfere
with safe and efficient operation of the parking area like something like that so that there's enough wiggle room to let the owners operate cuz they're trying to find the balance right so don't impede parking for the day-to-day business >> you you've got it right and if they do
they're they're going to hear about it so then they're going to >> back But just okay, there's a corner that's not used used for used cars, so why not put a shed there? >> Thanks. >> Okay. So, what's the timeline for a
decision for the for the courts? >> Oh, I think we're I think we're beyond it is lay in court, by the way. >> Um I want to say it was like November 13th. I don't know. >> October. It was October 28th or something. And then there was a uh order
joint status report with 90 days from the date of this order or by no later than November 13th. I'll check in uh I'm not a litigator admittedly. I'll check in with um Mark. >> Was that Oh, you have that one. Oh, that did they submit something?
>> Uh no, this was from Maryland. >> No, the applications that October 13th. >> Oh, yes. Yes, that's what we needed to do. And then the order from the court >> has something about November 13th as a
joint status conference. >> If if you turn it around timely, I'll let uh my partner Mark Tanner know we'll file something with your town council to the court saying, "Hey, it's going to be out in the next 30 days." Like something like that. Courts I mean you're
disposing of this where the court doesn't have to. So they're going to be thrilled. So I I think that's >> So with that being said, they [clears throat] can do that because there's no appeal per g. This is not a special permit. >> It's a site plan. >> It's a site plan. So from tonight
it's a decision, >> right? >> How long do you think it'll take you to have it in black and white? >> By Monday. I mean, I probably can turn it around by Wednesday, but obviously the board needs or the chair will need to sign it.
>> Okay, that's terrific. >> All right, so I'll entertain a motion. Yes. >> I will make a motion to approve the project as presented with the addition
of the >> the sighting of shed shall not impede parking of daily businesses. >> Perfect. >> As you mentioned, Mr. Lan. >> Okay. >> Receive an efficient use of current.
>> Okay. >> So, we have a second. >> I have a second. Any further discussion? >> Absolutely not. >> All in favor? >> I I motion carries. >> Thanks a lot. >> You're all set. >> You're good to go. >> Thank you. Good luck.
Rene. [clears throat] Thank you. >> Speed watch exper. What's that? Can you tell us what you're doing? >> Oh, sure. Okay. Come on, please. >> So, um, so I'm representing the sellers,
Mark Haley. Basically, they already own all this land over here. This property came up for sale earlier in 2025, so they bought it with the intention of, you know, they didn't want anyone building back here, so they wanted to keep it for them. There was enough
frontage, so we split off. We basically made it like it's an estate lot. They didn't do any wetland delineation. they didn't park test because again their intention isn't to build on it at this time but you know I encourage them to do the access trips just in case it on the trip we are reselling the home so this
is basically just like formally splitting the lot off >> so >> they're not selling the lot >> they're not selling Nope they're not so right now this is all one lot >> uh n so this was their existing property
their house is about four or five houses Um they actually >> this has nothing to do with it. >> Correct. Like in other words, this came up for sale and they bought it just to split this back part off. >> So they purchased this. >> Correct. And then we're selling this, right? >> Correct.
>> Yep. >> Yep. >> That's it. >> All right. I'm good with Thank you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'll entertain a motion. plan for room 21 bill. >> Yep.
>> I will second discussion. All in favor? >> I >> I start signing. [clears throat] Is there anybody here for anything else tonight? >> Red firearm. Sorry. >> Fire farm. >> Great.
>> I'm so sorry if you're bothering me. >> Super sun. You got to call it. It's a dream job. >> Yes. >> Who's Dr. Sharpie. >> Where is it?
>> There it is. There it is. Right. >> Take the pen. What the hell? There you go. Everything good? >> Yeah, it's [clears throat] good. >> What's that?
Do I get one? >> Take that. still sir. >> Thank you so much. >> Good to go. Thank you. >> Happy Thanksgiving. >> Same. >> Thank you. Have a good night. Take care. Okay, next up,
>> Red Fire Farming. >> And I think we're just on the agenda to >> set the meeting. Um, but it's a fairly complicated project. So, I'm here to ask family questions and I do have one
asked. So, my name is Ray Man. I'm a principal of Collab Architecture as the architecture record for this project. Um, I don't know if you had a chance to review the materials at all yet. Uh so as you probably know uh Redfire Farm uh
February and 24 lost their historic barn on the property at 7 Carver in a big fire. So they've been working to replace that structure. Um they're looking at doing it at 34 Carver which has a larger
property uh about 40 acres of arable land APR and a 2 acre um exclusion that would allow them to put a what they want to now do is a a farm market a farm business market. Okay. So to actually do
a a real, you know, retail or or market operations at that site. Um so let's see. Um part of the reason so, uh farm business, I take it is allowed by right
in the residential zone we're in. Um I did go through paperwork with Inspector Quinnland to confirm that this is indeed a farm market. The farm market is a farm business which is also then allowed by right in this district but I think uh it
is subject to so we're not subject to special permit or site plan review except for having to meet the you know general requirements right the parking we need to let you know that we're doing the parking right doing the uh signage those
are the primary elements that we u think need are subject to review by the planning board. So in the meantime, um this project required uh there's extensive wetlands on the site. So we were we went through
uh uh DP uh to ascertain that the uh that we will be able to a public water supply at the site at the site. Uh we got permission from Mass Egg to put the
septic field for the market in the APR that was approved. Um we've gone through conservation commission who's reviewed our parking and uh you know various setbacks for both the well and the parking and that's been approved. Uh
board of health uh took us 3 4 months but we got the septic system approved. So, uh, our understanding was we needed to make sure we have all these approvals before coming to the planning board. Um, in the meantime, we were allowed to
proceed because it's a farm structure with a shell permit. So, that was given to us back in March because partly because the grants that we had were on a very tight time scale. Um, so we've been proceeding with that. we have the full
uh uh inspector has the full permit set in hand. he's sort of waiting for um I guess you know from for the review by planning but also
uh so my ask is uh to see if we can he he asked us me to ask you if we are allowed to continue to construction at risk uh because the
approval process has now taken over six months. I think we've been in the process getting [clears throat] these any questions. This is all [cough] >> excuse me.
>> I have >> go ahead and review the plans with >> Okay. I I have a small set of plans. I don't know. Do you have the larger ones? Where's she at? Johnny should try to fill this over. >> Well, that
Great sufficient. >> Let's see. Then when I have a reduced set like this that goes on. >> Yeah, I think I saw that. >> And the paper all sides. >> Are you going to need this? This is the building.
>> Yes. >> We built right there exclusion. >> Yeah. >> Okay. 2 exclusion. There's like 40 acres over here. This is the existing farmhouse that's going to remain. It's currently uninhabited >> entrance. New building. Entrance is
here. It's relatively close. The old entrance is kind of right here. Uh so we were building about 25. >> Okay. 25 is the minimum parking that we're we're required to do. So up to 22.
>> All right. >> Thank you. >> Um so as you can see here there's a actually a a tweak river over here. So we had setbacks both for um riverfront area and
the buffer zone. So the buffer zone gets close but we're in there. So we went through a whole process of conservation to um you know rainwater filtration at the edge of that parking or we went through wells to get the wellsighted
as a zone. This is our zone one well protection area. >> Yeah. What is it? What's it? What size is it? It's 145 foot radius. And uh we have various stipulations called the D outside for us to can't do in this area.
Um so here's our septic field over APR. Uh so that will be served in here. Um and then uh this we'd like to do so with the signage. Um, there's going to be a sign here. And we'd like to ask for there's a sign which at the front of the
building. I'll show you in a second. And then we'd like to also see if you can do this portion and put signage up here because the seat pointing over. It's got a very long straight stretch going down this way and then suddenly it turns. And so you want to put it on the bar if
possible. So we'd like to have you redo that. Otherwise, it's because of the way it kind of creates a visual tunnel. You can't see that sign till suddenly you're turning. And so, we felt that it'd be safer if people can be given a heads up sort of as as they're coming down the
street. That's something to take a look at. Um these are all just >> so this will let you see kind of what the building looks like and what polar various
populationations sort of house is >> uh it's sort of in the sort of just I This is just basically ally simple building. If you drive there, you
see the building up. We had all this sort of farm right structure roof, solar panels, um the north faces towards Carter was was going to have to have a base sign. So, our understanding
is that for the special distance, um this is about 14 inch lower. So I'd like to see the for having signage of that size there. Most of our trash and will be kind of on
this side of the building. So that's actually almost not visible from the street. And we're looking at our signage page. So this is what we're looking to do there. Um and then sort of border street
signage. So this is just this is about 10 square feet which I think is close sort of quantum but they would like permission to do those sorts of signs you see for farm markets being painted up. so seemingly changeable. Um I
[clears throat] don't know where it um just some general information about the hours and this is how you look there on the corner of that house or going down streets very small. You can sort of see like as
you're coming down that line car you start to see the house but you can see beyond that. So you guys as you're approaching see you can see that and then we start to see a screen sign. We don't want people to start saying,
"Oh, suddenly, oh my god, there's a market in Detroit." This is from the other direction from the east. Again, you're looking across a field, but I think from the first point, it was about 150 ft and then it was used to be
closer. So, that's just an overview. included. There's a traffic count in this material or large traffic company of vehicles. We've got the fire apparatus um sweat path analysis and all
that. So that's required I believe by actually >> any thoughts? [clears throat] Um general thought is you know the side on the residential building is a
on that. >> I think I'd rather see a ground mounted sign other than something. >> Yeah, >> there are rules and there are also exceptions to rules, you I mean the interesting thing is it's like here's a business needs not really
to so you know what can it do to you know be it on the >> I'd rather see a ground sign their house obviously >> it's a house that um I mean it's it's under their ownership I'm not sure if
they want to make residential they just have an office building. Um yeah, I mean I think I don't know if like so this uh you know this is something that your site visibility
and what's think about what what would be >> I'm okay with the sign would be the larger sign in the building. I think that was peaceful. I think >> science hopefully they're separate.
>> Yes. >> Not going to see it. >> I don't know the elevation of of go there >> I mean the road is about 99 and then there's a bit of a drop off. So we have to use that to do the system.
So the site work any of the site work when is that going to take place? >> Uh well um whenever if if we can do it before the ground freezes that would be great or it'll happen in spring
but time and what about the septics of someone does that lead you? Yeah. So that would be um [clears throat] you know either we we can either schedule it for December or depending on the finances might wait till spring. They're
kind of getting pretty tight at this point. So, Ken, [clears throat] this is one of those plans where there's not a lot of input from us.
So, why don't we put this on the agenda for our next meeting? Maybe we'll have a fold. And in the meantime, I'll take a ride out and just look at the house and there
>> where that house is based. >> I don't know where the traffic is. You don't want people getting I'll I think a ground I would really like to see a ground sign versus um on
the convention building. take a look right off the bat was their heart. >> Mhm. >> They have very minimal spots. I think >> they had quite a few events where they
had well over 105. I don't know how they would have done it. I >> mean, you can see on the road this stretch from here to here is very very dangerous. >> Um that's my that's my initial thoughts
when I saw it. I I don't think they have enough. You think the other the other barn for events also uh their intention there is to really turn that fully into production area. right
now that makes a production I'm not comfortable with but um I mean you know the dayto day I mean I guess in terms of of the coach you know there's what serves the market what is required
for the market and that special events if that's kind of a separate discussion and if that's something that you want to bring forward we can bring forward I know it's a separate discussion, but I
think that they need to also think long term what their plans are with the bond, especially if there's only bad enough. >> Well, um, >> right. So, would that my question is that would that be under your now as a
as a planning review? because it's it's not clear to me. It's not a special, you know, I've been, as you probably know, I've been trying to email you from us. Um, but I
very constantly have spaces there. So it's 25 about what we would need for the area you know terms of required parking you know it's 200 ft for area building
are they trying to do something similar to what industries have which is why you're not [clears throat] supposed to be showing me.
>> You see that? This is all parking, too. >> Oh, that's parking. Okay. >> This is all parking. >> This is parking. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So that's 1350. >> All right. Otherwise there. Okay. >> I think that makes it better. They might
want to consider demoing. >> I know it's rough, but they kind of do with the kids. >> It's not so easy right now. So they got you. >> I mean, you know, they like to run here
for also They also want how many cars they want. >> Yeah, there's so when they do their events either way around when they do their events um they've been using one of the fields
>> down street and and driving them to pay items or whatever. We got more property over in here that have parking >> for the events for for this having 25
parking spaces. What >> about >> how did you calculate that? >> Uh so that's based on a area calculation of the business. So it's either 100 square foot for the actual retail area which is just that because this is mostly kind of the back of the house.
It's also about 200 foot for the full building. both the same number. >> Why don't we put this on the the agenda for the next the next meeting? >> Are you meeting in December? I may not
be here for meeting. >> What is it like? >> It's usually the second and fourth weeks. So, um that would be your next board meeting would be the 8th. >> Perfect. just leave my well thank you for order
letting me do an introduction there um probably make there may be a decision I don't know but um I I I don't see any reason why there couldn't be though. >> Actually, this goes has to go to public hearing, right? Where this goes.
>> So, it's not going to go to an official public hearing. We are going to inform the abutters. So, that's why you have the abutters list. Okay. >> So, it doesn't need to go in the newspaper cuz we wouldn't make it. Okay. >> Um it's just we're going to inform the abutters. We're going to share this internally with department staff for
their comments and presumably they'll have those comments in prior to the meeting on the ETH. Great. Great. Thank you. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. Good. I'm not supposed to pay. Um we also
uh would like to pay our fees, which I'm not sure what it is. >> We're not either. We're going to have to calculate it. I'll let you know. >> All right. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you. Oh, question starts off and I'm not
quite sure how this works because Inspector suggests that I asked you if we can proceed continue I guess at risk. That's a you. >> Yeah. I don't think the planning board would necessarily make any
determination. >> That's a you can't say what you >> All right. >> Okay. We have anything else? >> I think things can wait. Um, I think
what I'll update the board with is um I'm going to have my first meeting once I schedule it with the zoning bylaw update committee um >> tonight and um you know report back on that at your likely your January
meeting. I don't think it's going to happen next. Um I will have for your next meeting the final version of the zoning report. Um I'm finishing that and um with regards to
um how some of the board last last time met my colleague who was going to take place take my place um there was a resignation in the department so I'm still here. >> Um so I'll continue to be working with the board. >> It wasn't it wasn't him that resigned. It was
>> no it was it wasn't him that resigned but I need to make him go elsewhere. Um and it was still new. So, it was one of those things where I was like, "Let me get you acquainted with with Graanby." No, rather. Well, you just go to the other communities. >> So, we still stuck with you.
>> You're still stuck with me. [laughter] >> But I appreciate uh that I get to because it makes it easier for me um not having to do the other work that um the other planet was doing. But um yeah, so
December will be, you know, quite busy, I think, uh with the one meeting. I'm presuming the board does not want to meet on December 22nd. Okay. Um and then looking at January the 2nd and fourth weeks as we typically do.
Um we'll likely have that there. Kathy did mention to me cuz I I met with Kathy prior to the meeting this today. um just because I got back from vacation last week and just trying to make sure that we have everything that we need for
Graanby. Um there are three site plan approvals that are supposed to be joint meetings with the zoning board of appeals which are for oversized garages. Um I'm not quite sure where they are with regards to scheduling those special meetings or those because they're public
hearings. It's a special permit for them and the planning board in the past has had joint meetings. So my question to the planning board is do you need to have a joint meeting? Can you just meet and just will have separate meetings?
>> So [clears throat] it it's it's like what comes first? Sure. They don't want to approve a zoning unless the site plan's been approved >> or vice versa >> or vice versa. So if you have a joint meeting at least it gets done for the homeowner and they can proceed.
>> Um >> so I think that one of the challenges with regards to that obviously as the board knows site plan is doesn't really have the requirements that a public hearing requ has um or a special permit requires. I don't know where they are in
the timeline but they're pretty near to the 65 days that they need to be opening the public hearing. So, it's one of those things where sure we can get the planning board presum hopefully you' get three members there if it is a joint meeting. >> Um or I let and but and I couldn't let
the zoning board know that we were meeting in December because you need to do the public notice for the public. >> So, G do not need public. Okay. So, why don't we just bring those three items to our next meeting so we can take care of
the site plan? >> Are you fine with that? I mean, I can I can work with Kathy and the applicant to at least get you in front of get them in front of you um for that December meeting. So, so it's a ZBA thing, but
because it it exceeds the,200 square f feet, it's a special permit from the poly. It's a it's a special permit. No, the the special permit is granted according to your schedule of uses. The special
permit is granted by the ZBA with the planning board granting the site plan. So, private garages or stables exceeding 1,200 feet in area in the RS zone requires a
special permit from the ZVA and a spot site plan approval from the planning board. >> Okay. So, we need to do that, >> right? >> So, I will let Kathy know that um we'll set up those notices too for that meeting and we'll just mam bam bam. >> We'll have four four special four
sideline approvals. >> What size buildings are we talking about? that I I don't know. Yeah, this was just a mention that she's having a hard time trying to schedule the public hearings with the zoning board. Um, so yeah.
>> All right. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. >> Yes. I'll make a motion to observe the >> the November 24th planning board meeting. >> I will second.
>> Any further discussion? 644. >> All in favor? >> I Thank you.