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[music] 2026 meeting. >> Make a motion to approve the minutes from the June 22nd, 2026 meeting as noted here. >> Second. A second. >> Any further discussion?

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All in favor? I >> I >> motion carries. >> Any correspondence? >> I'm not seeing anything. >> Is that good? >> Yes. >> Let's jump to the ANR. Are you Glenn and Mary?

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>> All right. >> You're the folks for the ANR. You want to come up and explain to us what you're doing, >> please? >> Yeah. Let me give a sheet, please. A little coffee here in the original line between our two

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part. They just were diagonal this. So we both agreed to straight. >> So this is the only change right here. You're small too and then removing those two lines. So that's one person.

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>> So you're just squaring this off. >> That's correct. And removing those two. >> I don't see any issues with it. The only issue I do potentially see, Ken, will will the registry of deeds take the site's plan?

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Um, >> you can build then be fine. I think it's really for >> So this we sign off on it. >> It's yours. If they reject it, you'll have to come back and we'll resign it. >> Okay. Usually fans are larger than this.

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>> All the size >> usually they're R&D, but >> I mean Randy typically submits these. So >> yeah, that's provided. >> Yeah. Guess if if they require any set that the board can be signed.

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>> Yeah. >> What size did you typically like? 24 by 36. >> That's what we usually see here. As soon as I >> It's a little more expensive to print though. >> Well, maybe that's why he only gave me

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these 18 by 24s. >> Got the lowest. >> I think he would. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. added. I would >> It has the >> We've had stuff from before us that has it. >> The clerk said reject them. >> It's got the two mileers. So two hours

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full of copies. >> There's a clear. >> Okay. >> So if who needs the line or the prince? >> The assessor. >> That would be the the uh the registry of deeds. >> Registry of deeds. up to Northampton.

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>> Okay. >> But presented this maybe it's fine. >> We should know. >> There is this note. I'm not quite sure. I'll provision letter from my butter. >> Oh, that's I have a letter here from the butter with his signature if that

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matters. >> Um this'll matter when we go the regular deeds, I'm sure. Okay, everybody seen it? Everybody okay with it? >> Mhm. >> Yeah.

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>> All right. I'll entertain a motion to approve. >> I'll make a motion to approve the honor for Carver Street. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think um

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is lot last lot last lots 124 and lot five. >> I'll just sign this deal and pass it down. >> Well, if it's installed then relax. >> Okay. Um do we have a second? >> Second.

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>> Any further discussion? All in favor? There's >> what's that? >> No, they're all sign. >> Today's what? 7:17. Do you have to go in the middle? >> I don't even know.

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>> I just I don't I almost put my name on the middle line or something. I don't know why. So, if I hadn't shown up, we wouldn't have been able to sign up for four people to sign me today. I don't think so. >> Oh, it's >> No, it's a a program not required.

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>> Do it. >> These are easier to handle than running. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's going to say they can be this side. Oh yeah. >> I'm switching out there. Those

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two are good. Mhm. Let's see. Am I there? No. Thank you. So, I see you have a checkbook there since you haven't paid for the

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for the permit. Um should be I'm going to I'm going to call it just two for basic. So it's going to be two recordings removing this and making this one lot

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and then this another lot adjusting this and this is part of that. So rather than 125 for each take 250 everybody agree with that >> makes sense. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> If you were adding a lot if you were adding these lines then you say 125 each. >> Do you should be 250 total. Who are we >> down at Randy yet?

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>> One mile. >> Unless there's unless there's more than four prints. >> How many paper? >> There's four paper. >> I'll stay with the top. >> So, just one line of per I think

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that you >> Thank you. There you go, sir. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Um, actually, do you mind if we make a copy of it and we put it with our files? >> All right. Let's keep that in 300 copies.

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>> Okay. All right. Just keep this on. >> Thank you. >> Free to go. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Take care. >> A lot going on.

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>> All right. Is this when we get into the the fun stuff? >> So, >> okay. >> All right. So, we have a shortage short presentation here for the planning board. This was given to the um [clears throat] we had a community

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meeting scheduled for June 17th. This is basically that same community meeting presentation. Um >> yeah, but for that >> people that pretend >> for that meeting they they uh fed everybody supper >> for dinner. >> Did you bring any food yet? >> There was food for that.

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>> A lot of food. Yeah, >> a lot of food for the committee members who showed up. [laughter] There was no one from the public. Well, hopefully that is not something as a you know that will foretell the public not being supportive of this

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cuz I think the work that has been done to date especially with the committee in addition to the work that the planning board has done over time. Um hopefully this is leading towards that general direction. So just briefly um the zoning

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bylaw update um was a project where we did a comprehensive and zoning bylaw codification with associated appendices including an updated table of uses. The idea of this was it was supposed to be

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supported by the zoning bylaw update committee which I just got a letter saying that I'm still on the committee but I have to go to the town um to I don't know so I'm not sure quite >> yeah I'm not quite sure where the the

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committee is going and where we go here but um because the funding is done for this particular work through that particular grant um But with that said, um the idea was to meet with that committee kind of navigate some of the overall uh

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processes by which you know a community updates its bylaws. I think there was a lot of uh comment shared by those that had previously brought forward the general bylaws and how that was a a particularly painful experience I think

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for the town where you know it was shot down before it even got any sort of >> it failed. >> It failed. Yeah. Completely. So I think the idea is not to have that happen with the zoning bylaw um in any sort of amendment. Right. Um so with that said

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um you know we utilize this particular committee and um you utilize their guidance. Uh the scope of work included the public engagement and outreach uh which you know we shared with you kind of throughout this process what the

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committee was doing. Um, in addition to drafting the bylaw through the committee, there was a particip uh public participation component to this as the grant um wanted us to do. And so um I don't know Evan if you have um just

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a very general summary of the survey because there was a community survey that was completed in addition to the community meeting. >> No one. >> Yeah. which was very interesting because I mean so the survey itself was um you

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know the idea was to cast a wide umbrella as possible. So the community event that's one form but the survey I think was definitely one of the one of the other ways that we really tried to catch those people that maybe don't have the time to dedicate to a community event. Um so we went about distributing

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it through a variety of means both electronically and physically. Um we left copies at public places like the library, the senior center. Um we left copies also at the post office um town offices um and then we also distributed copies um as well through the school

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department um through their newsletters through their mailboxes I believe for faculty there as well at their various sites. Um and then also we shared digital copies. So we shared physical versions as well as a QR code for folks to access the digital version of the survey as well um for their access um as

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well. Um we got about a grand total of maybe around I don't have the exact figures on me right now but around 110 participants for that survey. So it was a it was it was a good it was a good chunk of folks. Um obviously you know I would like to have gotten more but I think that um for the survey itself we

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was definitely getting got a good number of folks that um maybe would not have attended a community event. Um, and I think that overall it gave us a really good idea of, you know, not only what Graanby would be apt to from a zoning

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perspective, um, but also from a long-term aspect of things because it also asks folks broad-based questions, things like, do you want access to public transportation? Um, would you want, um, any kind of development or long-term development regarding reszoning of certain areas in town as

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well? Um, so really tried to think take a take a broad pulse of the public for not just the effort we're doing right now from a zoning by update perspective but also thinking longer term of how maybe the mood of folks would be um for other types of zoning change in Graanby

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as well. Um so we will I will share those results as well for folks um via email um in the in the next couple days so that they can see kind of an idea of what how broke down. Um, I think what was very telling is off the top of my head I can tell you that a good majority

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I would say maybe oh almost half I would say of respondents were under 18 and I think that's probably because of the school department distribution we did most more than likely. Um unless everyone's clamoring at the post office that's under 18 maybe they're hanging out there

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now. But um I think most of it was a lot to do with the school department as being a big driver of those attendance numbers. Um, and a lot of folks, um, kind of I think gives a good breakdown then because you have folks that not only are from, you know, maybe the more [clears throat] like traditional side of things when it comes to folks who usually participate in those sorts of

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activities, but we also I think it's worth noting we're able to capture folks that might otherwise not have seen that survey if we didn't distribute through the school department. So, I think overall a lot of learning. I think like I said a lot of things that were takeaways both long and shortterm uh from zoning perspective that like I said

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I will share with everyone with those exact results um tomorrow. [clears throat] >> Yeah. And I think as as you as the planning board continues to have this discussion about future amendments, in addition to doing the cleanup, in addition to doing the things that other

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examples of bylaws that you see before you and some of that language, there might be some, as Evan pointed out, some some maybe interesting um tidbits of information as to maybe there's a certain part of town that you or

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different types of uses that might have been contemplated prior. here. Uh maybe the zoning is not working in certain parts of the area. Maybe there's an understanding of development that if you reszone this particular area, uh maybe

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you know more business will come, things like that. >> Yeah. Um that will be insightful I think for the board as they move forward. Mhm. >> Um you obviously have your master plan uh that you've done a couple maybe 10 plus years ago that still kind of guides

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a lot of the decision-m for the town or should rather um guide that decision-m for the town and for the board. Um the team was comprised of the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission was myself and Evan working on this project. And like I said, the zoning bylaw update committee

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was the um members of the town gym sat on that particular committee in addition to the police chief, the fire chief, the town clerk, um the building commissioner and two three

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members of the public um that probably have spent some time working um or volunteering in front of the town in some uh form or fashion. over the many years. Um so this particular task of reviewing the tone zoning as as

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mentioned probably in a previous discussion with the board is there are components of this review which address things like um how is the bio formatted? Does it read in a certain way? Um is it

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compliant with chapter 48? there have been many changes that have transpired since this zoning bylaw has been adopted and since amended. Um so those were the types of criteria that uh we looked at against um you know providing some

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additional commentary on the the bylaws things that might be the town might be not taking advantage of with regards to certain types of development. Um, also sharing with the board any sort of recommendations that maybe other communities in the Pioneer Valley might

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either be exploring as new uses. Um, so I think it just runs the gamut as far as how, you know, we've taken a look at this and reorganized it. Um, as I mentioned, the other uh efforts that the town has done over time um also kind of shape how we look

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at this, particularly through the master plan and open space and recreation plan um which provide some context for land use and zoning regulations that have been adopted to date. And yeah, we took a look at some of the regional planning efforts as I mentioned. you know, there are communities within the valley that

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either have since amended their solar and battery bylaws um in addition to accessory growing units and just kind of having those particular exemptions brought forward to you. Um so the schedule as as um you know I mentioned

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early uh earlier the grant funding is now since been completed. Um the idea here is for uh probably meeting with the committee one more time to kind of button up things but really it's the planning boards like this is in the

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planning board's wheelhouse as Jim mentioned at a previous meeting. Um, it's the role of the planning board to have public hearings to advance any sort of amendments to town meetings and any of the zoning bylaw amendments of which included in that conversation is uh

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reorganization and reformatting the bylaw. Um I know Jim had mentioned something with regards to uh some language that maybe in the future once this is amended if there are minor changes um there are communities have

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adopted within their either their general or zoning um some language that suggests that the town clerk can amend it without having to go to town meeting if it's minor. Um that's for another

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day. Um but yeah, I think as you see here, we had, you know, the past seven months or so, eight months to look at your zoning, um reformat it as as Evan's presenting, uh in addition to providing some

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comments. Um we knew this was also going to be happening in parallel with a lot of the efforts that the planning board has taken over time and we probably saw that in the previous meetings where we shared with you some language on home occupation. We shared with you some

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language on the goods and wares. We have some forthcoming language for other things that the board is looking at. Um I know that Evan as as many other communities are looking at food trucks. That's something that the board might want to be, you know, tackling. Um so

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there there are some opportunities here to kind of work in parallel also with this reorganization effort. Um but you know the reorganization effort is is one that we recommend is is one that the the planning board follows through.

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Um next step is identifying what those provisions of the zoning bylaw are that you want to be tackling. Um and then you know meeting with the board to present the bylaw for consideration at a future town meeting. Um,

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so presenting in a public hearing, uh, with the with the planning board's kind of navigation, what that process, whatever that might look like, in addition to, uh, presenting and helping the town present a town meeting, uh,

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does the board in this effort of reviewing the bylaw work um, of this presentation of the reorganized bylaw also want to tackle other components within that main organization. Do you

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want to touch outdoor goods and wear and build incorporate that or is that something separate? So, those are all conversations I think for the board as we move forward and as um additional bylaws are kind of brought forward to you. >> Well, just to interrupt [clears throat]

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for a minute. >> Yeah. What I'd like to see is the package delivered the formal package approved by the committee >> presented to the the planning board and then uh we'll take it from there

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and then we'll [clears throat] and through our process and the hearings we'll decide how much of it we think is palatable if if not all of it >> and then um we'll have our hearings and I encourage

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enourage the p encourage the public to if they have concerns or or or um input they should show up at these hearings >> so that so that some of these can be addressed >> that's the place to do it not at town meeting

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>> when the articles have been written and designed and are ready for an up or down vote >> it's the time to have any input was during the workshops or the hearings we had >> okay >> that makes sense and I think um you We'll we'll try to schedule some last

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meeting with the um update >> the bio update committee um and then formally submit that to planning board um I don't know whether planning wants to take that I think really and that's the end of this presentation I think

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really um trying to look at the calendar trying to see what you might be anticipating as far as in addition to this reorganized um effort, reorganization effort, or you're thinking about other bylaws um

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that you might want to um also pass uh this fall. Um if you want to do a special um you know, we as I mentioned, as we mentioned earlier, we were doing this into other communities and they're all trying to put this on the fall

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special tone meeting. Um but they're also trying to tackle some other big big ticket items like [clears throat] um among some other big uh bylaws. Um is that something that the board wants to do? I think once we formally get the

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zoning bylaw committee to present or you know sign off on what we are packaging um for the grant um and getting that to the board then having those conversation with me is probably the next step. Uh, can you remind me what the date is again

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on the bottom >> because I think we need to work our way backwards from that. >> We don't have a date. >> There is no date. >> It's historically been what the end of October >> something. It depends on what's going on. Um, it's something I'll have to look

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into to see what if they have any plans for a fall meeting. >> Yeah. Because if it's end of October, we would have we're already in July. So we have one

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more meeting in July. So August, September, October, that would be six meetings plus the one. July, seven meetings. That's if we have all of them until this. Well, we may have to if in fact that we're on a tight schedule, we may have

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to um schedule some additional meetings andor substitute the if we can get our um everything we need put together. On top of that, we we we could substitute our meetings for the

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hearings. My guess is there'll be at least two hearings. >> I would probably >> I'm thinking we can get through everything in one hearing. Mhm. >> But based on participation, um we'll give them two two strikes. >> Okay. Yeah.

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>> To to uh participate. >> Makes sense. >> Yeah. I mean, I think we just I think we both do it the formal way. Obviously, the planning board has its formality of scheduling a public hearing, but also posting it wherever you can to make sure that people are in the room to address

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that or going to the website to review the changes, things like that. um bringing those questions to you at your public hearing. Um but yeah, I think that I think it is a workable calendar. It is tight. Um but I think as as has

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been the case in the past, um the board has also met special meetings to kind of address some of the the the calendar challenges. Um so I think it is once we get this and kind of buttoned up and given to the

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committee then um have the committee formally do what they need to do with this um you know with that particular report giving it to the planning board and then having the planning board do what it needs to do for that. Um

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I think with that said that's obviously one aspect of this. I wonder if there are anything or if there are any sort of amendments that are outside of the reorganization and reformatting, which again is literally just moving things

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from house to bylaw and putting them in new sections. We're not adding new language. We're not changing anything. just literally moving things so that it's reorganized. >> It's being reformatted so >> it's being reformatted >> which which again I don't believe

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>> needs needs to go to town for a town vote. >> Yeah. I mean I think >> we can >> if Yeah. I think Yeah. I think that then the conversation is in addition to that effort, are you thinking about any other

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um bylaw amendments? >> All the ones that we've been discussing. >> Okay. >> So before we even get into amendments though for the restructuring, you guys are writing this in Microsoft Word, it looks like. >> Mhm. >> Yep.

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>> So when you export it, it's all going to be hyperl and bookmarked. >> Yeah. Yeah, for the table of contents. >> For a table of contents. >> Yes, that's the idea. >> Mhm. >> Cuz I feel like that is really the most important part. Like when I pull it up online, I'm not going to click page by page by page. I'm just going to click on

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table of contents where I want to go, >> right? And then go right to that section. >> So I feel like that's >> that at the end of the day, the effort is to do that, right? It's working with the town >> and working with the folks that you know you upload files, whatnot. You can definitely do that. We've done that.

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Right. >> I think for the purposes of the bylaw, I think it's >> the the the planning board typically provides a report. >> They will likely I don't know, you know, they will likely um you know have a

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report that looks like that >> red and blue and whatnot >> and then a clean version of that. >> Um there's one more component. Um there's usually three documents that are submitted when it comes time for

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resulting amendments after review. >> Is it common for other towns to have like a committee and then send all the information to the planning board to approve it? >> It it differs. It differs. I would say we we've had we've had a we've had a good variety depending on the towns we've worked in where it's either been a zoning update committee or it's been

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just the planning board that's been designated as that update committee. So it's it's a mixed bag. Um it's definitely something that depends on I think you know the town the town and what they would see as the best you know body for that. >> So but yeah I either way though this

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ends up in the planning board it ends up the planning board's hands regardless. So ultimately going to be yeah >> I was against it from from the get-go because it's redundant. >> We've already been working on it. We could have very well have used th those funds to work directly with you guys to

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circumvent another committee. Sure. >> That we have to review anyway. >> Sure. >> So, >> but nonetheless, it is what it is. >> Mhm. >> But again, for the for whoever's viewing

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>> the the amendments on the floor for for regular town meeting, they they may amend budgets. They may amend, you know, things of that nature, which are fairly simple to amend. Mhm. >> I can't speak for the town moderator,

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but the planning board will will be against any major amendments to any of the articles we present because of um unintended consequences. We if you change something even in the formatting, right,

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>> you don't know what the what the the the fallout of that's going to be. >> Sure. So, if there's a if there's going to be an issue with it, someone takes issue with it, rather than my recommendation or the planning board's recommendation is going to be either voted up or down the way it is or kick

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it back to committee for for review. >> Mhm. >> We've had we've had it happen before in the past where um they've uh the audience has amended. >> Mhm. they voted to approve it and it caused

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problems uh on a fallout and we had to fix it. So that's why I encourage people to show up at the hearings on a voice. >> And who's in charge of letting the public know about the hearings? Who would it be us or would it be Ken? Would

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it be the >> Well, it's us. It's this board. So, we would actually literally go and >> Kathy would tell Kathy we're having it and they would post it like they normally post meetings. >> Okay. But a lot of people do argue that they they they don't even know where that's posted and they don't and they

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get very upset when they come to the town meeting and they're like, I didn't know to go on your website. >> You know, it's even hard for us. >> They have a responsibility to to be looking to see what's going on. >> Yeah. So, I think, you know, there's a little bit of obviously there's that like that happened. I know it happens because it has happened here in public

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hearings before. >> Um but I think to the point that >> you know Jim said as far as maybe saying there's two meetings that you're going to be talking about this scheduling some maybe informal meeting and then the public hearing um to kind of allow for

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people to engage with the the stuff. I think we can utilize Gcam. can utilize just a multitude of different types of resources to ensure that they're at least aware of the the things that >> when you say we can utilize it, who would be doing that even was that

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>> who would be actually like utilizing that? Would that be us or would it be >> Well, I think I would work with the board to see uh you know how we would work with the board to see how we can get the word out. um >> like Evan was saying is great to be school. >> Yeah, it could it could be something

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that we do a similar type of outreach that we did with the survey. I can't imagine that being Yeah, we could we could definitely consider doing something like creating like a like a flyer like we did for that one. That's not a hard thing for us to, you know, create. It's just >> literally we could just reward it from what I had from the original template in

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terms of versus the community event. Make it just be for the public hearing that we hold at whatever date we choose. Um and then distributing it out to those uh those public places. I think >> yeah cuz I think otherwise people are going to feel they >> which was saying that they they don't know about it then they have to stop

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meeting and be very upset. >> There's you got to keep you got to keep up to date with our >> our >> communications they're posted >> in certain places in town. They're in the uh the town reminder. >> Mhm. >> Um there is a communications committee

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now. So we could always hand it off to them off to them to make sure that the word gets up. Uh, >> it does feel dated though. >> Yeah, >> I was gonna say, >> you know, depends on >> like can we do a Facebook post? >> If the town has a Facebook, yeah, that'd be something. Yeah.

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>> Okay. Cuz I think like a lot of people now use Facebook. >> Yeah. >> At least say if the police department has they >> I don't know anybody that really reads Facebook page you could use. >> Yeah. No, it's like we try like there

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are some like who put in the newspaper? What's a news? >> But maybe it's a library. >> I mean, I start fires with newspaper. I think >> I'm not going to school, >> but maybe you have some uh I know some communities have like big signage like

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we have signs along with two >> signing board public hearing zoning by >> definely would do that. >> You know, things like that. But, you know, we're obviously thinking of ways that we can get the word out. Do you have >> I think the community I'm sorry not >> do you have any clue how the town has

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been distributing text messages? >> Ah no I've heard that one before. No. >> Yeah they have. >> Like for any like for notifications >> they'll say like you're getting trash barrels or something like that. That probably works. >> That's a really good idea. >> Yeah. >> Again they the we have a a

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communications committee. >> Mhm. >> You can make those recommendations to them and help them get it out. Let them do their thing. Yeah, >> whether it's Facebook, which is a good idea, or through that that >> I don't know. It must be some town text. It is something I know that they they

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put out um the chief or the town administrator puts out information on that. So >> Oh, awesome. >> That's fine. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I think those three avenues, Facebook, context, website. >> I mean, >> yeah, makes it makes sense to it. Makes sense.

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>> You can't spoon feed it any better than that. >> Yeah, I Yeah, we can't. I think That's the thing. You all right? You've identified maybe the mode of communication that the town typically uses. I mean, I live in a community where everyone loves to write on the

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Facebook page, right? So, so then I'm sure this one will also have many comments, right? But I think you're right. You've identified >> I think they're hitting different generations. >> Yeah. They can't say that. >> Yeah. You're the whole demographic. >> Yeah. >> Right. Mhm. Yep.

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>> Um and you know what has also happened? um with some communities is that uh sometimes it's covered in media. We write a press release planning order having a public hearing. The talent is changing and so something like that. >> Whether or not places like that but you

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know there's th those types of opportunities you can >> be very creative how you get the word out but >> there is but it is very important that you do not want this to get into a mess on town [clears throat] meeting. Because

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I think as Jim mentioned, >> it needs to either be voted in a certain way or brought back to the planning board. We figure out the board will figure out how to get it back before the >> Yeah. >> Um but amending it on the floor, that's

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>> it creates chaos on the floor and creates chaos uh potentially for unintended consequences. >> Agreed. Yeah. Mhm. >> So, would we want to do two hearings and backto back meetings or do we want to

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have a little bit of a buffer in between to give people more time? >> Yeah, we'll do we'll probably do two meetings, one one week, one another week. >> So, back toback pretty much, right? >> And then if we do that, like how much ahead of time would we want that before the town meeting?

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>> We can be we can be as uh >> it's 6 months. >> It's 6 months. So you have 6 months from the public hearing to have a town meeting. >> But I think the planning board report is 21 days for recommendation to town

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meeting. >> Right. So if the planning board gives a favored blue report that's not >> but we can get the feedback prior to that, right? Yeah. Yeah. >> So, >> yeah, >> cuz what I'm getting at is like if let's say we're going at the end of August for Tony and we've got

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seven meetings left and we want to have a couple meetings to prepare and take that feedback that we got from those hearings, then that means we have to have hearings next month >> pretty much. >> Mhm. >> If there's one scheduled for October, I

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>> If there's one scheduled for October. Yeah. I feel like that's our limiting factor right now. Mhm. >> Because we need to take that date and work. >> Yep. >> Back in front of it. >> Mhm. >> You're right. >> Yeah. >> If there's one scheduled in October or not, Jim,

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>> I don't know >> who sets down. >> I don't think they know. >> Maybe it's less. >> It depends on uh what they have. I know there's a couple other um bylaws in town that they're looking to

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amend outside zoning >> for town. >> Mhm. >> There's a couple thing but I don't know if that that's enough to warrant a special town meeting because they are expensive to >> Yeah. to operate and if they're going to hold off until

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>> you know uh the first of next year >> because I think that also is going to determine how much of this we try and tackle for amendments. >> Sure. >> Because like the restructuring pretty straightforward, right? But I think the amendments we need to figure

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out one how many we want to bring and two depending on how many we bring, how do we want to move them? Correct. So I think really >> and if there's if we're not addressing the ones, you know, like if there are because obviously like we I just told

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you about food truck. We we're preparing a food truck policy for another community >> because that's something that the board wants attachable. I also feel like it's a conversation that you might want to have with the select board. So it might be worthwhile to have, you know, a large

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>> should we should we all agree as a group like what we want to tackle? Well, so we got >> Yeah, we got our list. >> Is it overwhelming or is it like five main things? >> I don't I don't think what we're looking at is is overwhelming. >> No, you're not doing the overwhelming

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stuff is solar batteries. >> And we're not tackling that. >> You're not tackling. >> All right. So, we could all an agreement [clears throat] or whatever whatever we want. It could be signs, food trucks. >> I hope that sign for >> signs another one. Okay.

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[laughter] I'm just trying to understand that that's correct. >> So, keep it to the simpler things. >> So, yeah, even presented >> and goods >> with good outdoor goods and wares, home occupation, the medical office um section of the bylaw, I believe. Um >> I can't think of I got

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>> So, you got accessory building size. We want to tackle that. >> Food trucks, ADUs. You got you a nice list here in the >> So, we don't want to set off a grenade or anything with like signs. It could be massive. All right. >> Right. >> Certain subjects. >> Y

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>> we'll share with you. I mean the accessory >> I we didn't but have that in your packet. Um the accessory building we tackled before. I can just kind of refresh and send that to the board after this meeting. Um, but you know, it was a

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conversation about in town whether you need a special permit and a site plan approval for a 12,200 square plus 1,200 plus building accessory building, right? And whether or not that [clears throat] threshold was still something that the town wanted.

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>> Yeah, we that's I've been talking with the the chair for ZBA. So that's another piece of it. Mhm. >> Before we have the public hearings, I want to have a joint meeting with ZBA. >> Mhm.

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>> With us to uh go over everything before we because the uh it's got to go to the select board before the hearings, doesn't it? >> Yes. >> You have to ask. >> Yeah. To recommend. >> So So we want to do that in conjunction with the CDA to make sure that they're

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on board. >> Perfect. Um So that's that's another >> that's another meeting that we got to schedule in there, >> which so that's why I'm I'm thinking like if we do have October, we can probably only pick two or three of these

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on our list here to really focus on realistically. >> Well, none of them are too difficult. Some of it's just adding adding the uh into the bylaw. >> Mhm. That's right. >> Yeah. >> The food trucks would be an ad. >> Yep.

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the goods and wares would be an amendment. [clears throat] >> And I guess the question too is as as we as you might your strategy might be to do something informally where you're like we want to tackle goods and wares but you know what we're just going to

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put it into the reorganiz we're not even going to have a separate meeting about it. So yeah, >> so you think of it that way too like what you know are going to be the ones like goods and wares that's a clarifying one. >> Mhm. >> Home occ home occupation can be touchy.

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Um but the uh medical office one that's a clarifying one. >> So the ones that are clarifying I would suggest that we can build that into the reorganized reformatted dish. >> I don't believe any of these are controversial. Okay. They're okay. They're they're basically modifying our

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bylaws to to bring them up to date for what what's uh what's going on in that. >> So, how does what did you use for different classifications there? You said some are full additions to the

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bylaw, right? And then some are just >> some like striking. So it' be like yeah just formatting like if there's a comp if there's like a repeated like definition in a section striking that repeated definition just having one definition

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um having it be where we move like procedural or will be like administrative items into one section versus how they are currently which is kind of sporadic throughout the bylaws. M um that would be like the grammatical, you know, structure based stuff, reformatting based work. And then we

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would have the actual substantive um more substantive amendments like the ones that we're talking about for food trucks and for the medical office spaces. >> The other one that'll probably be a separate article is an amendment [clears throat] may or may not go into that group, but

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what we discussed about if it's not if it's not listed, it's not allowed. Oh, I I remember >> that needs to be adjusted. So that we we talked about that that um just because it's not listed, there's got to be a process. You can't you can't list

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everything >> in this day and age. >> Yeah. So there's a little more flexibility. >> There's a flexibility with the board to be able to take. >> It doesn't automatically mean that it's >> No. >> Yeah. Gotcha. >> It doesn't automatically mean we need to

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take this and create this use in the town and make it, you know, for the public hearing uh for his own independent. >> Mhm. >> Um yeah, >> we can do some research on that to see what's in other communities um bylaws

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for that kind of language too. See if we can get, >> you know, as you probably can be aware, there are communities that are >> they they embrace that, right? And it's not in the bylaw. it's not happening unless you change it through a zoning amendment. >> Um, and so I think it's the

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understanding that the strict kind of what is it the strict understanding of a term of a of a particular use is something that you know there should be a little flexibility built into the

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decision makers who it can be approved but through a special. >> I gota correct. So, what have you seen for like a full spectrum, I'll call it, on that, right? Like most strict versus the loosest that you've seen in regards to that like most strict you said would

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be like if it's cut and drive, it's not in bylaws, it's not happening, right? What have you seen like on the other end? Um, >> I mean in some in some in some in some there are there are certain there are certain areas of other communities

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bylaws where they'll say I mean it wouldn't be so much like anything that's not stated. It would be more so I think from what I've seen it would be language of like tied to like if there's a if any any residential use for example would be permitted in such and such a district or

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any use with this. it would be more of that kind of language versus if it I haven't I haven't seen anything specifically that's why I mean say we might do some more research on that specific of it it's not stated directly in the bylaw because the only the only experience I've seen has been towns that

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have stated either it was not in the bylaw rejected or they'll just tie it they have tied that kind of language to a to still a specific kind of use though so we probably I probably would have to do some more digging on that >> yeah and it really is the administration

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of the bylaws So whoever you have, you know, initially looking at the bylaw, helping an applicant navigate what type of permitting and you know and it is usually at the initial level of the building inspector, >> zoning enforcement officer.

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>> Sometimes the chair probably would get a call. I know in the community that I help, I am now that person that people will call to ask about that. But the only thing that I would do is like I need to confirm with the building department or the zoning enforcement officer

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>> because at the end of the day it's >> the intermination. >> Mhm. >> Right. So, um, yeah, I think that there might be language or lack of language that, you know, if just making sure that that language is not in your bylaw and

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and maybe it's just the understanding that um there is some sort of flexibility that should be there should be an intent that you're looking at the bylaw through this lens of it's not in the bylaw per se. However, maybe it's

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not. >> It may fit here. It shouldn't be not would require a hearing >> some sort of structured process. Right. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> That's what I rather. >> So yeah and I know that and I'm thinking about this too. We're having a

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discussion on it is that there are communities that and this isn't from the perspective this is from the perspective of like an administrator point of view. So in certain communities they will have what's called like a tier system for certain um types of development. Um so

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for example some cases will say if a certain [clears throat] development like for housing units for example they'll have a certain number of okay this amount of multif family units this we have this as a threshold and if it crosses that threshold it has to go

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to planning board for approval and then they below that threshold it'll go to more of an administrative review. So it's a tiered review system in that regard. So it helps to in in in essence the idea is to help to streamline >> process. Exactly. So that could that

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could be that could be a consideration in terms of like elements that other communities have used for trying to do maybe a similar type of thing of trying to really try to make the process faster and more efficient that at the last meeting. >> Mhm. >> That expedite some of these fast-paced

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projects that they need to >> Exactly. Yep. And that could be and so that threshold could be you know something regarding you could there are other communities that have thresholds regarding things like you know building lot sizes um you know if we're talking about things of like I mentioned housing

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units as well um any kind a certain type of development if it's something where it's like a you know we wanted to find like a low impact type of development maybe um so that could be I think the avenue [clears throat] that could be considered. Yeah, but I don't think that's what we're talking about as far as if it's

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not if it's not allowed or if it's not if it's not called out, it's not allowed. >> I'm talking things like a food truck. >> Technically, it doesn't talk about food trucks. >> Mhm. >> And our bylaws. >> So the the the fod is this then they're

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not allowed. >> Mhm. >> Well, you got to look at that from two different that particular one from two different perspective. One, it should be in there. to what say that we have of a food truck showing up on private property,

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>> right? >> If it's on public property, >> then then there's probably needs to be some sort of a permit process >> to make sure that it's not impeding traffic or >> and I think >> Springfield and Chicken I think they just redid theirs.

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>> Springfield did. >> Is that what Yeah. Mhm. And there's and there's applied to they had guidelines for both private and public for that one. Um and that's kind of been um one that for those food trucks, especially the ones that are they they very clearly

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in that case defined which food trucks, what kind of food trucks, like it's temporary, like if it's a one-day food truck versus a permanent food truck that's there longer than a day pretty much. Um, and they'll they they've kind of, I think, been, at least from what I've seen, the most probably recent

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example in this area for a real like comprehensive um, you know, overview of their food truck bylaws. So, that would be good to see then of food trucks is one of the things we want to tackle. >> Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can definitely have that. Like, >> a smaller town than Springfield. >> Yeah, but at least it would be a good

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starting spot, >> right? And I mean we >> Yeah. And the other the other community that Ken mentioned, we started with Springfield as like an example just because of how comprehensive it is. It touches a lot of bases. Um and then you know the idea would be to then like I

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think you folks are talking about you know either looking at that section maybe striking areas that maybe don't make sense for Grand um or maybe keeping some sections that make sense. Springfield Springfield was uh inundated oversaturated these trucks and

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>> there's been controversy of who's got the right to what corner and that sort of thing. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So maybe we don't have to get that in detail, but at least if we start and kind of shape it down a little bit.

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>> Mhm. Yeah. I don't know what the exact wording is for the next thing after food trucks. you know, you can never capture it all. >> That's that's what I'm saying. There needs to be language that if it's not listed, it's not allowed. That we need to strike that that it's not allowed. If

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it's not listed, it needs to go through some sort of a process. >> So, that's what I was saying. >> Okay. >> A hearing a special permit. >> None of us know what the latest and greatest business is going to be. It's always changing. >> Yeah. It's evolving too quick and people shouldn't be penalized for the bylaws

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not keeping up. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's exactly my point. >> I mean, if a go-kart track wanted to come to town and we have nothing for a go-kart track, >> I don't think we could allow it. >> Yeah. >> But putting it through a process, >> Sure.

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>> May not allow it either. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it goes through that structural process. >> That'd be fine. Yeah. >> And it' probably be uh zoning and a joint some sort of a joint meeting with zoning and and and it's a special permit. So we would bounce it off all

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the the department heads and get their input on what they're they're taking. >> I mean I think the challenge though with something like that is let's use the exact go try right that's a big that's a that could be a huge impact on the

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community. >> Sure. >> Sure. you can have a special permit. You would notify the voters. So, you know, depending on where it's in town, but you know that and the planning board would obviously have the opportunity to deny it or whoever is going to be the

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authority, right? I think I think the conversation there uh for things like that um you know, and I think you could take it in two different ways. That's probably something that you would want the top to say. We do not want go-kart tracks in in our community and therefore

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it should not even be like an application for a permit or >> No, I think it still goes through the permitting process. >> I think it would >> rather than rather than the community well the community would have a voice

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during the hearing during the hearing. >> But like what Nate's point is is like you don't even at that time you don't even know that it's a projected use, right? So how can we outlaw it if we don't know it's going to be a year, right? >> I mean there's there is some strength

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also in you know being mindful of the timelines, right? when you think about um and I'm not deterring it from that, you know, I think use variances are very rare and so trying to figure out how to

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utilize the power of the planning board through its typical means is I it's it's difficult like trying to come up with language that allows you to do something where just have a special permanent public hearing. It's not it shouldn't be that easy.

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However, I think I understand kind of the level at which you're thinking about Venus and uses, but it's hard. It's like because these variants are not >> That's what they're called. >> Mhm. >> So, that none of those countries be

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>> nope. >> I was going to share with you there's some things that were just passed that the governor signed last week. Um that is some new zoning um some zoning considerations. It's a long memo, but

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it's from um a land use attorney that works with many planning boards. Um and I'll share this with the board, but I think one of the big takeaways is the variances. >> Mhm. >> So the varian section, as you probably

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may know, we're not boarding appeal, but um you know, there's usually a strict like hardship. you have to present that it is a hardship for you to do that with the current zoning, right? And so you're

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asking for a variance to that zoning. Um the language that was changed um adds a new finding. A variance shall be issued upon

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specific finding that strict enforcement of the ordinance or bylaw would result in practical difficulty. So that's the language. >> Practical. >> I like it. I know. >> Practical difficulty is not defined. >> Nope. >> That's really big. So

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>> the board can happen that variance if someone you know brings down >> that kind of saying it's difficult for me to follow the zoning because of X or Y right

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>> so I mean with that said >> is that your segue into what we >> it's a segue >> it's a segue that the other boards also have worlds right So things like variances, that's an opportunity. Um the

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decisions that are made by the building inspector can be appealed by the zoning board of appeals or or yeah there's a process by which that is an appeal. Um the zoning board of appeals can do that. that happened

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here or there was like some nuanced way that the board ended up this board ended up reviewing 185 West State Street with the sheds because of an action that the zone board of appeals took with that particular application. Um, so there

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are, you know, other means. They're kind of messy, but I think, you know, I think the the takeaway here is, you know, the board would like to see some flexibility in their in their um what's the word?

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Um, understanding of how one would be to look at the zoning and say this use is not defined. this use. It's not here. Um, and the town, the board does not want to not have it have

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its time, you know, to go through a process. But if that language that says if it's not in the bylaw, it's not any like you need it's not allowed, >> you know. So, so from the town's perspective, that's an easy that's an easy out for them, right? Of course. and

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and it shouldn't be that way because we're here for the for the for the uh for the town as far as the the public to help them. We're we're supposed to be helping them. >> Mhm.

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>> So, you know, that's that's just an easy cop out for the town to say if it's not there, we ain't doing it. Yeah. That's not that's not the way we should be operating in my in my >> opin should be looking at it and say okay how much different is this than something

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that is allowed by by right >> what what are the differences or what what do you have to do what should the applicant do to make it comply you know so that we need a little more flexibility on on some of this stuff because like Nate

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said you don't we don't know what's coming before us these days we're having all kinds stuff before us and and because and I think because towns and and municipalities are slow reacting to all to state's mandating. >> That's fair.

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>> This this language here, you're starting to say, "Look at you guys. You got to pick up the pace here. Times are changing." >> Uhhuh. Yep. And um yeah, so there there's a few of them. There's a few points that they highlighted in that in that document that um we'll send out to

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folks not only with variances of but also um with pre-existing non-conforming uses. Um >> that is another big change. One of the one of the big I think change. Yeah, that's another big change because in in in that respect what they have changed in the 4DA section there of MGL is

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respect to expansions of um previously non-conforming um where previously um it was required for a special you required to have a special permit for those expansions. >> Correct. >> Now that is byitect. Now it's by right here. So see

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>> and and I can tell you >> over the years there's been several places here in town that were before some of the zoning was changed here a few years ago that they were they were under that. >> Mhm. >> And the only way they could expand was to go to ZBA. >> Yeah.

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And if I'm not mistaken, they couldn't expand more than 50% of the existing >> use >> with with a ZBA approval. >> Oh, so limited there. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay.

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>> Yeah. Cuz usually the action is the zoning board of appeals will vote on that special permit to um approve the expansion of a non-conforming use. >> Correct. Now, now did they address the

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the uh the point where if it's if it's if the building has been or if the the the property has been vacant for two years or Yes, they address that. >> They expand it to four years now. >> Four years. >> So, they're mandating what the towns and

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municipalities aren't keeping up with. >> Yeah. And a lot of it, I think, if you read and dig a little deeper, it's all related to towns. Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It's housing. Um there's other >> comments here. Um

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about um you can't um prohibit variances for residential use. >> Mhm. >> Um yeah, cuz if you think about it, >> it's the non-performing uses housing.

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Um, you know, there were lots of conversations about um I think there was something about lots too. >> Oh, the uh lots dices. >> Yes. >> Um but we'll share that with you and we'll um you know the board wants for the next.

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>> So that information needs like the ADU information even though the ADU we didn't adjust it. We left it the way it is. The setbacks still apply. >> Mhm. that what you have here plus what you

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just said the governor signed off on. We need to get that note into a special section of our bylaws. >> That's fine. I mean, it would fit in. >> So, it's there. >> It would fit in the area. Yes. It would fit in the non-conforming area. So, we could definitely find language that we

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can incorporate into the box. >> Sure. to that >> because the ADU's the ADU um information we were required to put it into our zoning. >> Yeah, the ADU in the ADU again, you

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know, if the [clears throat] board wants it's pretty easy to incorporate it because the board is not changing its process. the board has has really just um you know accepting of this uh permitting process for ADUs in town that it's going to be approved by the

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building department. It's allowed where single family homes are allowed. >> They have to they have to comply to the the regular setback >> and that's all we ever get involved in in residential anyway, isn't it? >> Right. So >> yeah, we can definitely incorporate that

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ADU language uh as such. Um yeah, so you know there's some new information here. I don't know if you know in in your review of some of these this bylaw language that we presented in these other section if there's anything

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that you see as a red flag you'd like to talk about um you know those sections more um or would you rather see this as a fun package? I don't know. Let's Let's uh >> I mean the path even save time cuz I'm

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going to be looking at everything at once. I mean you guys know >> let us review it. I mean before we review this and waste our time let's let's get the sign off from the committee that >> this is what they're presenting to us. >> Okay. Yeah. Sure.

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>> Mhm. >> So that we're not getting something else in addition to or something less than. >> Sure. >> Mhm. >> I mean, I mean, we'll hang on to these and review it, but this should not be the final. >> Oh, yeah. Sure. >> Mhm. >> You should definitely review it because it's most likely going to be finalist.

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>> Yeah, I would say that's fine. >> If there's any changes to it, we need >> Justin. Yeah, I just want to ask him for the whole package. >> Yeah. Here we'll get >> we can yeah we can definitely I think um this is >> one of the things that

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>> we will also do is um with the zoning bylaw committee is we will have we'll have any considerations that we've listed that maybe we didn't talk about for like the amendments for example um in like a in a kind of a a table as well

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as a separate document. That way it's kind of, you know, again, just clearer for people to see, you know, >> because there's been there have been some suggested considerations for the board, right? And some documents that have been shared with the committee or the committee has shared. >> Would it be easier if you just sent it

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like on an email? We could just look at it like what's been edited as opposed to like having to print it out. Again, it's easy. I mean, it's up to you. >> Have to you've got this is it. >> No, I know. I know. But then like you said, the committee has to approve it and there might be other things. >> So if there's any changes, then it's something, >> right? And if there are any changes by

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the committee then yeah >> I just want to say favor >> um we yeah know I know it it is a matter of really how the board feels when it comes time to review the document. I know some boards would rather mark up

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have that and then scan those pages. I've also had board members >> say Ken give me an hour and then we go line by line and I'll make edits. Mhm. >> Um but it's also is the planning board, right? So you might have your own opinions about some of these changes.

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>> One of the I mean the thing is the first thing is the reformatting and reorganization. That's its own thing. >> Really shouldn't have any opinions other than maybe you want to add stuff here or maybe this is a small change that the board would be fine with but uh

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recommending approval. It's the, you know, more um yet some language there that's adding to bylaw. >> That is something for the board to consider, but >> we're not necessarily bringing that forward to the zoning bylaw committee.

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The zoning bylaw committee is there for >> strictly the reorganization structure >> and being able to receive comments through the process. We'll show that to the floors. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So, this is the word doc that you sent was the >> Was it this one that I printed out? I

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think um Chris >> trying to It's not I don't think it's the red line. I think >> I think so. >> I think it's the cleaned up version. >> Okay. >> Yeah. the Graanby zoning bylaw reformatting draft

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cuz I mean can't you just like take this reformatted spit that in with the old bylaws run a compare and make sure contentwise that there's no differences there cuz I mean like going through comparing red lines the baseline Oh

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>> that's going to be like next possible. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> Right. Because the whole section, >> like if you just look at zoning, board of appeals, right? Whole section 2.1 is all red, >> right? >> Because it's moved. >> Sure. >> But contentwise, what's here to prove

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that nothing contentwise has changed, >> right? We'd have to literally go word by word, right? >> So, can we just take it cleaned up and then we'll spit it in the chat GBT and run compare? >> Sure. I mean, I think that's something that we can do. >> Yeah. Um the only thing that there will

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be obviously some inline changes based on the fact >> for section references >> for section references or any new citations from MGL. Um but yeah we can do that. I >> we can do it too. I'm saying like

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>> for us to realistically go through all these red lines word by word making sure that there's no actual content changes like >> Yeah. I mean to to some extent right this is a 100 plus page document. It's kind of like every um because there are

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sometimes like oops that forgot to make it and then there's a amendment that needs to happen right but I think we do our best utilize all the eyes that we can to see what this final document will look like when it's reorganized. Um but that

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could be a way to just kind of identify >> are there significant changes? Are there things that are missing that we can capture in this? >> Yeah, >> it's interesting to put it through AI. Um, but it's probably moved. >> Yeah, cuz like I said, I'm just looking at this, right? When you have a whole

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entire section that's all red because it was moved, >> you can't really compare the content, >> right, >> to the baseline, >> right? >> Sure. Yeah. And I think Yeah, I think it's something Yeah. And I know that with with other like boards we've been

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at too, they've some have said, "Oh, you know, maybe we just we just had the strike through like Ke mentioned, that's fine." But then other boards have said, "Okay, no, we want to see minimal just cleaned up." But then they'll instead of that, they'll have table of contents. They'll have that as your section where

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they'll be like, "Okay, this section that was here is not a section this." >> Yeah. So that's been another kind of option that boards have done um that we've worked with. Um, but like Ken was saying too, I do like the AI idea. I think that's a good idea to get another pair of eyes on this.

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>> I mean, so have you done any intersection restructuring here? >> Uh, in terms of changing the content itself. >> No. So like let's take section 2.1 zone board appeals right here on page one. >> Oh, it goes in 2.1.1 purpose. >> Mhm.

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>> 2.1.2 appeals, right? Has that like within each subsection has there been any restructuring or is it literally taking all of section 2.1 used to be a different section and moving that whole section elsewhere? >> Yes. >> Right. I would say I would say it's the

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latter for that one. Yeah. Moving wherever it says like special permits for example, whatever the processes for special permits currently, you know, whatever that section is currently that has not changed in terms of the layout, the process for it. It's been but it's been so it's been that of just moving

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where it is currently in the bylaws up front to that administration enforcement section. >> Yeah. So like you have your heading ones, right? So like your section one >> Mhm. >> and then your section two section three. >> Sure. >> Right. And then you have like your heading two. So 1.0 1.1. Right. So if

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you could even just give us like >> we just took all our heading threes >> and just rearranged them. But beyond a heading three, >> contentwise, we made absolutely no changes. >> Oh, yeah. >> That's all we really need to know. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I see what you mean. So, just going

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into those parts and highlighting the fact that there's been no editing to the content here. >> Yeah. Like how where did you where did you copy? Like how >> you have another package shop, right? >> You have another package >> of the bylaws. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah.

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So like like this is a heading one, right? In Microsoft Word. This is a heading two. This is a heading three, right? So if they can just tell us like >> Yeah. See how much >> they just moved >> contentwise. They just moved every

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heading two and rearing it. >> You want to look at this? >> Just show the we've seen many times. >> We have an assurance that contentwise nothing truly changes story. Let me go ahead and get >> because for us to go through like these red lines, we'd have to pull up the base bylaws and compare it manually.

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>> Yeah, that's >> uh you know what I'm Yeah. Um >> yeah, we're good. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> I think even like you said if we just review the table of contents, right? You tell us everything beyond the table of contents really hasn't changed. >> Yeah.

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>> And we just review the table of contents even. >> Yeah. >> I think that would be >> Yeah. I think there's a way to document like for each section. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We moved this from previous bylaw section 8 to section.

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>> Yeah. Section six. Like for instance, site plan used to be in section 6.4. Now it's in section 2.6. >> So maybe you would see in the table of contents >> all the you know all the related um

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clauses from site plan section 6.7 is now 2.4. more. >> Yeah, cuz we did ask for this >> and I think now looking at it I'm like, "Holy smokes, it's all red, right?" Cuz it's restructured, >> right? >> So, >> yeah.

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>> Right. And um you know, we figure out what Tom wants as part of the report, but typically it includes the re like the strike through underlined version >> and then includes a clean copy. >> So, someone's going to get this

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>> [laughter] >> So, the town's got its own format that they want presented. >> The town's going to want this >> in addition to like in addition to the cleaned up version, >> but for simplicity sake, >> we're looking for something a little bit more high level, just a

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>> Yeah. >> some sort of like maybe you could run just an AI check, right? If you copy and paste it 10,000 times. >> Sure. Right. kind of like you said, table of contents is going to change >> to table of contents. So the table of

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contents just that that kind of >> that kind of method I guess with a lot of towns makes sense in terms of how they message it to to folks because it kind of is an easy way for everyone to understand what's going on here instead of like going out line by line

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>> through like the 100 plus pages that are in the zone bylaw. So, >> you know, I think that's another, you know, keep it simple as well in terms of just making sure that everything is spelled out, but in a way that's not you having to go through everything line by line. >> Yeah, >> sure.

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>> I'm going to call town council tomorrow. [clears throat] >> I don't think reforing reformatting this requires town voting. >> The the Yes. The substance isn't changing. Jeff formatting. I think it's

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I think it's considered administrative uh what what do they call it? >> Oh, uh yeah, we we were just talking about that. Um scrimmagers errors. >> Well, that's if there's something else errors or if there's errors that the town clerk or something can just amend. >> Yeah. No, I'm not talking about that.

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I'm talking about administrative reformatting. I don't believe requires a town vote. The bylaws aren't changing. >> No. Yeah. Content wise, no changing

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content. That's changing by our citrant references. >> Really? Right. >> Mhm. >> And that's administrative. >> Yeah. >> I I think if >> your town council says, "Yeah, it's

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fine." Then that's great. >> Makes makes it easier. [laughter] Yeah. >> Well, the only re this can get pretty confusing on a town meeting agree or hear it. >> I think seeing this is definitely eye opening. >> It looks like >> Yeah. >> Everything's staying the same.

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>> What's the reason behind it? >> That's what the public would have. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, why restructuring? >> I think it's an opportunity to um start a baseline for future amendments. I think it really is that right that as

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you continue to add amendments you definitely continue to add to the risk of confusion >> confusion and conflict >> right so that's the idea is that >> so it's organizing for growth >> yes >> okay >> I don't I'm pretty sure I'm right on

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that but I'll I'll double check because that that would this can get real confusing at a hearing trying to explain every >> Yeah no I I think I think at least from, you know, what we talked with other folks too is in other communities is that the strike through underlying it's

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that's not necessarily going to be the version that we show for, you know, the hearings necessarily. I think that's where we're having discussions about like I mentioned that table of contents as being a way to e more easily present it um for that type of uh that type of messaging to the public um versus yeah

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having this you know Microsoft track changes uh business going on too. Um, so you really you really on your table of contents never go past like a heading two it looks like.

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>> Oh, okay. >> Right. Cuz you have two consistent. So >> 2.2 2.3, right? And then 3.1. But in your table of contents, you don't go like 2.1.1. >> Mhm. >> So you don't make it past the heading two. So like if we can just see this

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table of contents reordered and just basically a statement assuring that anything >> Yeah. no content behind this beyond this heading too has changed. >> Mhm. >> I know we've done this in the past >> but to this

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>> not to this extent >> that I think you know the other conversation here >> was was it that disorganized? It had to be reorganized to this extent. I'm just carrying >> because we we had to squeeze some other uh language in there that what was that

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didn't match the the uh the format for the >> Yes, that was when you look at signs that's 5.99 and then you see another 5.9. We have done this in the past and some of it didn't the language didn't line up

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with the um the narratives for the for the zoning didn't line up with the uh >> there must be some line of [laughter] reasoning. I mean, that would be great if your Tom Collins found on that, but at the same time, I could also see him

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saying, uh, are you going to address deleting things cuz that's changing it, right? You can't just delete things. Um, like for instance, we brought forward the conversation to the committee on this definitions in your sign signed by

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law where there's multiple is about the same definition and it's appears twice. It's the same definition but right if it's still the leading content >> appears twice once in the sign bylaw once in the definitions. So it's those types of things but I think I'm getting

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some clarification from >> Yeah. I'll I'll do that tomorrow. >> Great. How do you want to use some additional time? Do you want to talk through the zoning amendments language, the ones that we provided to you? Do you want to review that some

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more? Do you want to, you know, if we have no public hearing at the next meeting? So, your next scheduled meeting would be for um July 27th. What why don't you what I would like to see is that you guys take

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a stab at all those those four or five items we've talked about >> and then present to us at the next meeting. >> Okay. >> And then we can go from there. >> Yeah. Include including the food truck bylaw. >> Food truck bylaw. So everything on this

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list here you're saying >> they home occupations accessory building size food trucks ADU expenses signage solar or do we want to leave out >> signage we probably spring >> so where do we [laughter] where do we

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want to drop the line before signage in our list here >> we don't want to dig into sign >> do we want to get to fences >> we can do fences fences is easy yeah it's like one ADUs. >> I think we said that. >> That's just that's just the plan of what the state's management. >> Yeah. We're just going to incorporate it

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into the current plan. >> Okay. >> So then, yeah, we want to draw the line after fences before signage, >> right? Signage and >> signage. Yeah. So, >> so we've got we don't want to do signage.

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>> So, I mean, we have we already have we already have outdoor displays with goods and yeah, we have about three here. So we will just have to present three new >> we want to use fences. >> We want to do the um the accessory buildings. >> Yeah. Right. So >> yeah, I believe that's like three. Yeah,

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we have including those three accessory building size >> that we would have to um create. >> That's that's doable. That's doable. >> Yeah, we can add that over here at the next. >> Yeah, that's doable. >> If I think Yeah, you have all this material. You know, if you take a look

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and you're like, "Oh, I don't like this." you make sure you let us know then maybe come up with some additional language >> look for some additional language perhaps. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think if you do that next meeting we can talk it through.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. >> And then we can write write up what we're going to present >> Mhm. >> to the select floor move forward with it. Mhm. >> Mhm. So, tomorrow my or this week my my

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task will be to uh contact town council and uh the calendar to see when the next meeting is going to be special. >> Great. >> Yeah. Awesome. And we will we'll touch base also with the zoning bi update committee members to get a meeting

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scheduled as early as we can um for that meeting so they can give us their official sign off on this. Okay. You only need a quorum for that. >> Yep. >> Yes. I think just another quick announcement. So, you know, you've

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obviously been seeing Evan and I at these meetings. I think the idea here is to transition Evan to be someone that will be here by himself in a couple of weeks. Um, after the zoning kind of work is done. Um, but I will help. Evan, as

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you know, have known the board for a very long time and Evan is a quick learner. Um, so he'll be working with you probably more so in the new year as you know as a singular um staff person from PBBCU helping you

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out. >> Good. I'm happy with that. Awesome. >> All right. I appreciate that. >> Great. Keep the party going. [laughter] Not much of a party, but >> you got to make it make it somewhere.

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[laughter] >> Okay. Anything else? We good? >> What is the agenda state? >> Let's see. We have here. >> Um, just next meeting date. I think we said that >> July 27th. >> Mhm. >> And we'll have a a decision for you

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>> for the Yep. the special for next day. at 7 or 5:30. >> I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll make a motion to adjourn the Granby planning by meeting on July 13th, 7 I think it's 7:01.

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[laughter] >> Second. >> I'll second the motion. Any further discussion? All in favor? I >> I motion carries. Thank you everybody.