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right, it's 5:30. We'll call the meeting to order for the select board for uh Monday, November 3rd. Please join me for pledge allegiance. I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Anyone have any appointments? Do you have any citizen participation? No. Okay. town administrator.
>> Uh, no report at this time. As we go further down, on a motion to accept the departmental reports. Uh, I will hold off on seconding that motion because I do have a few things that I would like to go through real
quick. Uh, Chief, could I have a moment of your time if we could after reading some of your reports? I would just like to uh bring some things to everybody's attention and get your uh put on them if I could. Uh, one of your reports refers to uh
receiving complaints from the wine house in regards to mus. >> Yep. Uh, according to this, an officer has a decel reader. >> He has a personal decel reader. It just >> okay. >> Took out there. And again, that was a couple weeks ago, so I don't know the numbers off the top of my head. I think
they were between 49 and 59 dB. If I remember correctly, >> the highest reading according to this on what looks like to be Jennifer Drive was 59.7, >> right? And I believe the acceptable in the bylaws is 65 dB. Uh, we looked up 60
we thought at one point, but I thought it was 65. >> I think it's 65 78 or 7P off the top of my head. >> Okay. Either way, we're a few points below that. So, um, you know, I thank you for getting that in your report. >> Yeah, he one of the officers took him upon himself. It was great that he did
just so we had an idea. >> Wonderful. Um, we had another dawn bite in town, a FedEx driver. >> Yes. >> Okay. Unleashed animal or on >> private property. They were making a delivery. Sorry if I didn't elaborate on that, Morris. They were making a
delivery. The dog actually was outside with the owner. The fed driver went >> into the yard. Okay. >> Everything was as far as shots and stuff. Didn't fall out of all of that. >> I did see that. >> It's all good. >> I think that was it. Okay.
>> Thank you. Of course. Uh there was one other thing here. Um I talked to Dave D. Roer recently. Uh he said they were undercoating all the trucks at the yard. Um all the dump trucks, the new one included. They're using a new system called wax oil rather
than the old film wool wax which used to remain tacky and would collect a lot of debris and things of that nature. So the wax oil I guess is a better product. It dries and won't be collecting all the stuff from the roads and easier to
clean. So I was happy to hear that. So we're trying to he's doing his best to maintain our vehicles for us with winter coming. Uh Jeremy had a couple of things. Um he had to clean more water from the
basement floor at West Street and according to his report, they found a broken roof drain in a wall, which is where the water was coming from. Are you aware of that, Tom? >> Yes. >> Okay. Could you elaborate on that a little bit for us or are you just aware
that it was >> just aware? >> Okay. Yep. They're trying to get the explain better, >> Chief. We are um the West Street building committee has asked Jeremy to get a uh
quote. We believe we can bypass this cuz it's unfortunately is buried under the building. >> Right. >> Part of that structure was there was there's no there's no seller or access to it. So the belief is that they can run it they
can basically pipe the drain through the ceiling area and then down the outside and that should eliminate our problems >> which was not uncommon and then they'll just discontinue the other pipe. >> Correct. >> So my concern with that is
bear with me one second. Uh it says Jeremy will get plumbing contractors to give proposal for the relocation of the pipe versus trying to excavate the existing pipe. Makes total sense to me. I get it. I've seen them. I've buried them in buildings and chases and whatnot over the years. So, it makes total
sense. But why would we we be getting extra quotes if this is part of the >> remediation? That is part of the building that is not being >> under contract. >> Correct. >> Oh, it's a se it's the other part. >> It's the other part of the building.
It's not in that 10 11,000 foot square footage scope of the project. Yep. >> So, we're just addressing it so it's not a problem in the future. So, it's not something the contractor would have put in his bid anyway. >> Correct. >> Okay. Very good. >> That was it. Thank you very much. We'll second the motion on
>> receiving the reports. >> Department of the reports. >> All right. >> All in favor? >> I >> I opposed. >> Thank you, Chief. Yep. Right. We have uh maintenance warrants
uh for approval. We'll start off with this. I'll make a motion to approve warrant number PR23s dated October 10th, 2025 in the amount
of $35,79569. >> I will second the motion. >> Any further discussion? >> No discussion. >> All in favor? I. >> Anybody opposed? Whoops. I'll make a motion to approve war number is D024
dated October 10th 2025 in the amount of $335,29341. >> I will second the motion. >> Any further discussion? >> No discussion. >> All in favor? >> I. Anybody opposed? All right. I'll make a motion to approve
warrant number 025 dated October 17th, 2025 in the amount of $45,4142. >> I'm sorry. Did you say $414? >> $45,514. Yep. >> And 42 seconds.
>> Got it. Thank you. Yes. Correct. Uh I will second the motion. >> Any further discussion? >> No discussion. >> All in favor? I >> I. >> Anybody opposed? [Music] Make a motion to approve warrant number 025S
dated October 17th, 2025 in the amount of $215,55468. I have a second the motion. >> Any further discussion? >> No discussion. >> All in favor? >> I I opposed. >> I will vote out of necessity for
select board. >> Thank you. I'll make a motion to approve warrant number PR 26s dated October 24th 2025 the amount of $297,55429.
>> I will second the motion. >> Any further discussion? No discussion. All in favor? >> I. Anybody opposed? >> I'm just asking the same. >> They go Hey,
that's What is it? >> I'm almost up there. >> Do we have the notice for the public hearing somewhere? >> Yeah, I have it here. Do you have a time for on >> think it's next?
>> I don't think it should be particularly All right. All right. Well, it's going to be a public hearing announcement in accordance with the provisions of section 22, chapter 166 of the Massachusetts General Lodge. You are hereby notified of a public hearing will
be held on Monday, October 20th, 2025 at 5:30 p.m. or as soon as thereafter, as the agenda permits, at 10B West State Street Senior Center, first floor, Gray, Massachusetts, 01033. The hearing will be held on the petition
of National Grid to direct poles and wires along along under or across one of the public ways in the town of the Grammy abuing property owned by you. So this is New Leather Road, right?
>> Yes. Are you here to present? >> Would you come on out on the table, please? And >> Sure. Um, Master Grid's proposing a relocate to um 28-84. Um, there's a rightway that we're
just trying to get rid of. And, uh, this is the blue pole just to make our polling more reliable. Whatot just hear there's any general questions? >> So, you looking just to eliminate a poll or move it?
>> Move it over. Okay. How far are you moving it? >> Uh, says Fitz and Feet West. >> Okay. >> Fits and F feet west of the existing location. >> All right.
Do you have any questions? No. Any questions from the public? >> No. Okay. Not hearing any. We'll close the public portion of the hearing at this time. >> Do we need a motion on it? >> Do we have any questions or anything for
us? Okay. >> Then uh yeah, um I'll make a motion that we approve um for National Grid to pull relocation on New Level Road. >> I will second the motion. >> Any further discussion? >> No discussion.
>> All in favor? >> I. Anybody opposed? >> All set, sir. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> All right. Next we have uh Menorana understanding accounting services.
>> Yes. So um it's between the town of Graanby and Maline Matazic. She actually comes from the town of Warren. She has been we have LBA associates. She has been working with LBA Associates. She doesn't right now, but she was. She has 20 plus years experience. Um, we
urgently need to close out our books, set up our tax rate, and obtain necessary financial information for the school to submit to DESIE. We have reached out to the auditor because the town of Green is an accounting system that no other town currently operates. We are in a very unique and challenging
situation. Mark has been assisting me throughout the process. We've also contacted our local and state representatives who understand the difficulty of our position and have expressed their full support. When I spoke with LBA associates, they advised me to reach out to towns of Penrook and
Warren for possible assistance. Penrook has not used the software for over seven years. Um, Town of Warren I reached out to the town of Warren's administrator and he did connect with Maline Watzic. They haven't used it either either in over like five years. Um she has over 20
plus years experience working with LBA and she has kindly agreed to help us close this year end. Time is not on our side. Our tax rate must be set by November 30th and we need all the supporting financial sheets and our schedule A completed in order to close out FY25.
To move forward, I have prepared anou and sent it over to our town attorney for review. He did not identify any issues, noting only that under normal circumstances, we would require that a contract provide liability insurance. However, given the urgency of the situation, then that risk that such
requirement could could delay or jeopardize the assistance. I also contacted Maya insurance just to make sure we were all set. He said we were all set and we're fine without the insurance. So, I just wanted to double check and do our due diligence 100%. >> Okay. >> Um therefore, it is extremely important
that this be signed tonight so we can move forward without delay. Um, additionally also I just want to also add that um, we are behind on our revenue postings currently still working in December 2024. So we are we are going to
need and gate to engage in a firm to help us get caught up. I have reached out to several firms and I'm just waiting for some quotes and responses. I recommend that we hold another meeting on Monday, November 10th to talk about that situation uh, so we can go over reviews and the contracts what I end up
receiving. We need these revenues to be able to set our tax rate and that depends on us having accurate up-to-date revenue information as well as update enterprise fund balances. The situation is very critical and we must act quickly to close our books, set our tax rate and provide desi information. Um we did have
meeting with department of revenue and all representatives were involved. Jake Oliver was there, Omar Gomez, Mindy Dom, Mark was also with me, our accounting was with me and then a lot of people from do were there. They are going to give us an extension but again we still need to work I mean this it takes a long
time to close out books right so with that being said at least we have the accounting aspect in place for LBA associates with a memorandum of understanding with Meline I am very thankful that the town of Warren and Meline has agreed Meline basically has
agreed to step up and help us out which is very nice and it's nice it's in a you know community right next to us willing to help out the town of Graanby so I consider that a win for Where will we put excuse me, where will the funds come from? >> So, I did reach out to um the finance
committee. The finance committee is having a meeting tomorrow at 3:00. I talked with John Labber and I had asked them for the transfer request. There seems to be no problem. They just have to vote on it. We'll be all set with that route. Um so, we're good there. Okay. And then is that free cash that
we're pulling that from? >> It would be out of the reserve account, transfer account. It's the financial. >> Okay. >> Um that's their account. It's they have all the authority to say that we can approve it. Yes. >> Very good. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome.
>> All right. So this is aou to establish the terms of understanding between the town of Rambi and Maline what is it >> the consultant providing accounting consulting services to support the
organization the year's financial close tax rate recap and if available assistance with school related financial matters. This is going to be rem remain in effect um until December 20th, 2025.
And compensation on this is a rate of $100 per an hour with an estimate up to 70 hours. any further additional hours are needed, then that will be pre-approved by the town of Grahamby in writing. That's right.
>> Wouldn't further with that. So, >> I mean, it's something we need to do, so makes sense. >> Agreed. >> Well, I'll make a motion that we sign theou. >> I will second the motion. >> Any further discussion? No discussion. All >> in favor? >> I
>> I. Anybody opposed? I signed next to my name. I thought that's what I was supposed to sign. It says signature on me. A little confusing there. It's >> all right. It's legend. It's good. Do you have? >> Yes.
>> The one that you have given is not over the minutes. >> Oh, it's fine. >> Tammy, what's that? Can you provide the board on a regular b well every whenever our meetings just an update on where we are with it >> where we are with our closing out our books.
>> Yes. >> So we are still I just received the uh June turnovers for LBA associates which I'm going to actually try to figure out how to put those through. We are very far behind. I have been trying to work on this and I would say Steve as my
witness. We've been working very uh close about this trying to figure out first I was trying to have Chris come back but the exemption I couldn't get an exemption to get him back here to close out the books. So we are very far behind. Um, I've reached out to all the
legislators, tried to get their help, and they have been very supportive of us. But now it's come to the time where if we didn't have Meline, we would we'd be in in some trouble. >> Okay. All right. So, and again, just going forward, maybe at each meeting, just give us an update where we are.
>> Mhm. >> Because as we get closer to that uh December >> Oh, absolutely. I will. >> Yeah. Okay. Good. Next we have the West Street project. Uh we have the chair of the West Street building committee. Correct.
>> Okay. >> Access committee chair. You can bring whoever you want with you to >> maybe after the meeting we can hobble together. >> Oh, you got one on, too? >> No, I had my knee done. >> Oh. So, we're here because for a couple
reasons, but the first reason is we are out to bid right now and we got the question as to whether or not um the town would wave the permit fees. So, that's what we're here to ask you if um if the town's going to allow the
permit fees to be waved for the municipal building project. So we want the town to pay permits to ourselves. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> That's exactly it. >> That's it. >> But the question was asked and so so the
way we answered it is that they have to pull permits but the town will uh pay the fee because we had to answer that before we could meet you. Um so >> I don't know how you want to handle that. if you want um if you want the
fees to be charged to come out of the West Street building pot of money. >> That's a good question. >> And so we have >> I mean it's it's almost like an inind service because we're paying ourselves
for a for a permit fee that we charge anyway. So I mean it's just >> a lot of many towns I will say they don't charge their own town to pay you know we you would it's our property so why would we >> yeah ourselves makes sense
>> makes sense exactly and it's my understanding on other projects in town we haven't been consistent but there have been municipal building projects that have been waved. So, uh, but and we have the building
inspector here. Uh, but of lately they haven't been waving. >> Oh, you're over here. >> I don't want to be negative because it like to say it goes in one the other, but um any other communities um it they normally don't wave. I don't
want to go against them, but they don't wave the electrical and plumbing because that's I'm salary. Doesn't matter how much time I spend. Yeah. >> Um just to go off subject quick and Hadley when we had three big buildings 20 something million we put that in the annual report what I would have brought
in you know as a and how much time was spent on that that wasn't brought in the money but that was weighed for you know at the same time police I'm sorry the fire station library and the senior center um the plumbing electrol normally isn't because it's you know they're
they're paid you know by the job by fixtures and and that Um, as far as what would come out of my budget would just be the $12 fee for the permit. So, it's not a it's easy to watch. Um, the bad part is, you know, the repair just on the stairs the contractor paid for, you
know, in the rear of the building and then the uh railing at um >> Carnegie >> one library. Yeah. Lane is is um you know be paid. So, it's just confusion I guess. Is is this just like the only one project we wave or do
you want in the future to wave any missile project in all three building plumbing gas and should say and electrical? >> Well, I guess there's two things I look at right now. Those two examples you just gave are repairs.
This is actually a project that the town voted on, the town approved to to do. So, there is some there is some difference there. Um, and I guess I kind of look at, like I said, it's like in kind services. We're paying ourselves to give ourselves back the money. >> I agree.
>> I agree. >> At the same time, I also agree that a repair is different than a new project. So, >> so the permit fees does when like the electrical inspector goes
out, he gets uh a fee for >> Correct. Correct. So then that person would not have been paid unless a town pays for it. Correct. >> Right. I >> a town pays paying for it either way, >> right? >> Um
but normally electrical, you know, because they're paying that somewhere, you know, there would be a permit fee on those, but this is up to the board. Uh like you said, it could be a one one time deal until we have another big project coming and the others be considered repairs. That's a good way to put it.
>> Okay. That saves me why other people come in and say, you know, why were we charged >> contract two weeks ago like that's perfect and this is a >> um you don't have any answer to it. That's all. >> So in the end, if we were to wave that,
we would still have to pay the electrical and plumbing inspectors regardless. So that would be a cost that we would be essentially. >> How much would that be, Tom? Do you know? I'm it depends on the fixtures until they you know put the application online and that it's it's
>> you know based on that and I mean I would just like I said it's coming out of my budget anyway in my report I would just put that you know this revenue was just didn't come in and we're not you know I'm not showing the revenue all >> essentially it still goes from the left hand to the right would you agree with
us with that Steve >> that's true and just as a footnote uh since 1990 when I came on board as building commissioner Um, the fees have been charged and not charged and with no consistent behavior in terms of determining how was determined. Mr.
Quillin offers a a good point though um, and that he's on a salary so he gets paid regardless if he sits in his chair or makes 100 inspections of the building. uh his I think his concern about the electrical and the plumbing
inspectors however is valid and the um the plumbing inspector and the uh electrical inspector don't get the entire fee amount. Correct. >> Correct. >> So my suggestion to the board is make a compromise uh because the uh other
inspectors uh are actually that's the only way they get paid is by inspection. they make a compromise and their actual cost be uh taken from the West Street building project budget which should be nominal and wave the building fee. That would be
my recommendation. >> Sounds feasible to me. >> Yeah. >> That way we can keep it moving forward. We can keep it as repairs andor the inspectors will get paid. But
>> it's a nominal fee. >> Yeah, I agree. The impact inspectors need to be paid their fee. They've done an work. >> Absolutely. >> Does that fee change per side of the job? >> It's no the permit fee is based upon the number of fixtures like said.
>> However, the the cost of the inspector going out there is fixed. >> Oh, okay. >> So, it's based upon the number of inspections he makes versus uh per fixture charge or anything like that. Yeah. And being a smaller building with not a lot in it, I I imagine that there
won't be a heck of a lot of inspections on it, it's going to be a rough inspection. It's going to be maybe something in between and a final, I would think, to make sure everything's running proper properly. So, >> you know, additionally, this project is under construction control, is it not?
>> Correct. Uh so that means that the the architect and the engineers are responsible for making certain that everything is put in according to code and specifications. So we have that which is already built into their costs. >> Right.
So is it on on some projects Tom larger projects when they're engineered specs normally don't they in municipalities andor say like college campus UMass they have their own inspectors >> correct >> so
>> well it' be a state inspector overseeing but when it's comes to you know the college >> right >> it's just it's fire and and build I'm sorry >> electrical >> yeah electrical and uh fire building and plumbing it's by take. >> So, being an engineered project, could
we fall back on the contractor rather than >> um the inspectors are still going to have to do the inspections. >> They always have to oversee keep them. I mean, that letter >> keep them in line. >> Yeah. Like like you said, that letter
with that, you know, final control back with that stamp and all is what really protects us and everybody. >> Okay. Very good. Thank you. So, do we um go with Steve's suggestion and compromise in the middle and so that
the inspectors do get paid? >> Yeah. >> Out of out of the western this inspectors have to paid. >> Yeah. >> And like I said, I think it's a minimal cost at that point, too. It's not even really have no effect on the budget. So, so, >> so I guess it's a matter of either we
wave it or we go with um minimal cost to the West Street budget >> to pay them, >> which is really tiny. I think the the the specs and fees are
very very very tiny compared to the overall um I mean I can't imagine the spec fees being over a few hundred >> commercial it will be >> it will be a little more now but
>> well what do we well like I said >> it doesn't matter I mean either way it's got to be paid so whether we >> we absorb it or we don't absorb it have to pay that's coming out. It comes out of it's the town's money. It's one pot of
money. So, I mean, so guess where do you take it from? >> And give it back to ourselves, right? So, >> okay. >> Um, [Music] >> I'd be okay with waving it, I guess.
>> Yeah. It was just that I mean going from one to another, >> right? >> That's the same money. >> As long as our inspectors get paid the way they should, then we're we should be all right. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I make a motion. >> So, I will make a motion that the
West Street project waiver of permit fees be approved as it will come out of the town and back to the town. I'll second the motion. >> Any further discussion? >> No discussion.
>> All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody opposed? >> There you go. >> Thank you. And then one quick other thing. So, in the um back parking lot, Jeremy, or the maintenance department has a
temporary garage, which I'm pretty sure 85% to 90% sure that that's going to have to be moved. We're waiting for the MCL engineering to do the well testing that we've been ordered to do by the
state. And depending on the answer to that will depend on whether or not we have to move that garage structure. So we need to think about where to put that garage structure because Jeremy's still going to need
that structure for his there's there's two conx boxes which we have to move and then the the garage the temporary garage. So I don't know where in the town those could be moved. Is there any more room in the >> in the parking lot? Um,
>> tuck it away >> for the conx boxes. Sure. Because they're small for that uh garage to move it 50 ft to the left. Then it might be in the way of the septic. I'm not sure. >> That has to be looked at. >> What is he storing in there?
>> Lawnmowers and tractors. >> Lawnmowers and tractors. >> Is it like stuff that's on that big winged lawn mower that's on a trailer? I think that it's tucked in there. And that his um >> that utility tractor he has that John G bought. I think that's in there as well.
>> And that's going to require construction control. So wherever it goes, we want to keep it keep it there. You know, you don't >> That was my next question. I assume I assume it's on footings. >> It's on concrete blocks. >> So um >> Oh. Oh, okay. Stackable blocks fastened
to them. >> Yeah. >> So it's semi-permanent. Yes, >> it can be moved, but right now it's semi-permanent. So, whatever. So, the structure that moves has to move with that foundation. Yes. >> Essentially set up like a state salt shed where they used to. >> Yes. Okay.
>> So, we need to find a permanent spot for it because we don't want to do this twice. >> Right. And it's my understanding that Jeremy what Jeremy has disclosed is we probably use the company that installed it to move it. >> I would tend to agree with that. I we'd
have to get a quote, but um we already discussed the fire tank was in it was in the way of the fire tank and um we we we turned the fire tank so we wouldn't have to move it for that. But then we have this well issue now.
>> So there's a high potential that we have to move it. So we need to start well you need to start thinking about where to move it to. So, the ConX boxes could be moved at any given time, even if they stay there in the parking lot. As long as they're out of the way, >> right?
>> As far as the garage structure, we'll have to find a spot for it, >> KJ. Because we have so much town property. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Well, maybe we could just put it at five corners here, though. You know, the 10 ft we hung between Andler Street and Dunkin Donuts. I don't know. Um,
is it possible to leave it on the property tucked into a corner uh by and still maintain our property lines and variance? >> Well, you'd have to keep it on the black top, right? Because if you put it out in the field, you have to pave to get to
where the garage is going to be. So, that'd be cost prohibitive. Okay. >> So, it would have to be somewhere in that parking lot. And >> it's probably the point you wouldn't want your vehicles with grass underneath them. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Anyway, a great time to say where it
landed. >> Agreed. >> Um >> it might be it solution to find a spot for the >> the boxes. >> The conx boxes boxes maybe. Yeah. >> But we're still stuck with the problem
of moving >> the conx boxes can be moved forward back 10 ft to the left. I what I'm saying is we might be better off finding a spot for those because those can be moved much easier than this. So if we're going to move this, we just want to move it once. So if we can put this somewhere in
that parking lot, it stays there. >> Okay. Is that cuz I don't know where else I mean really put that. >> I do have a email. >> How how large is it? Can you guess how large it is?
Must be a 30 by 40. I would think >> something like that. >> So about 1,200 square ft. So that's a good footprint. >> I don't know what's available over at the uh the highway department. >> I was going to say the maintenance field and all. Jeremy said it might be
>> y >> checking into it all, but >> there's something might be over there either. Then you got that whole like like you said that whole septic system from the Kellogg >> Kellogg Leo and Smith have >> the common the common uh system there. I go back to if you don't have a lot of
>> bill especially done if you talk self just paid already. >> How soon does this need to happen? >> Well, we're waiting for the well people to do their job. I soon by December 1st. Yeah. In end of December.
End of December. >> We'll be lucky to get uh the installer to come back to get that done that quick. How big are the convex boxes? >> Uh they're about they're usually 8 ft wide. They come in
>> 20 30 40 foot lengths. >> They're longer ones. >> Those are pretty easy ones. >> So they're probably 40 footers. >> Well, that's what I mean. They're much easier. You know, kind of temporary solution for that. We can always move them down the road. Companies just come in with just like a a dumpster the same thing. They
>> right to company, >> right? get them on the flap event or something. Um, yeah, that I mean that would be my thought process unless we can find a you know the other piece is a permanent
solution. >> Yeah. And like you say, we're limited for places to put it. So, um, >> there might be some uh some room behind the safety center there. [Laughter]
talk about those comments. >> Can we stack them up on top? What? >> Well, that's again, I guess that's, you know, >> I wonder if they I wonder if Dave D. Rocher would have any suggestions of possibilities of where to put it. >> I could try to swing down and talk to
him, but just have an idea. >> Yeah. I mean, is it possible to maybe pave a 12,200 square foot area in the back of his parking lot and make it permanent there? Kind of makes sense because they
more or less work together to do the town maintenance and the highway department. Um, >> but I don't know if I know if he has that that kind of room back there, >> right? We'd have to check it. >> So, I So, it's tough call to make right now. I think we'll have to table it and
>> yeah. Well, talk to David and >> so maybe we can put it on if we do agree to a Monday meeting next week. We can table it until then and then come up with a decision. And I know we'll be close on time, but >> we'll see what we can do. >> Maybe we'll go to Bug and Dave here too
to think about it. Just >> Yeah. >> I mean, he may have no thoughts being this is why, you know. >> Yeah. Because I mean, would do >> can you think of anything anywhere else in town that we could put it? Uh, is this parking lot in the Carnegie big enough? >> No, absolutely not.
>> No, >> it would take the whole parking lot >> and then you'd have to park. >> We can't do that. If it's around 1,200 square f feet, we'd be lucky if that parking lot is >> I thought the DPW would work, but I didn't realize there was a septic behind there. >> Yeah, >> but you have the DPW that actually does
quite a bit black. So, that's a great idea. You're going to save a lot of money. >> We could save money by doing that that way. Get it base down there. Maybe Dave could put a base, but again, it's it's if we have the space for it, keep all the easements. >> Maybe you could put he could do some
black top at the um West Street lot just where just make sure it's out of the way. Move it once. >> That would be another possibility. >> We could get it off of the park. Just put a pad in. >> Right. Well, to the point too with the
conics boxes, those two, I mean, we almost put those on the grass and put gravel underneath them. >> Correct. >> And then put those on top of that. They don't have to have pavement on them because gravel on a barrier, a moisture barrier, >> even easier. >> Okay.
>> So, let's takes up, you know, side by side, it' be fine. >> And unfortunately, there's not much we can store in those things anyhow, to be honest. But with the temperature changes, yeah, >> we ran into some real issues behind the station, too. you know, just yeah, the climate there's no climate control in them. So, you go from 100 plus degrees
in the summer to freezing and and the moisture just >> it's bad >> builds and yeah, >> I can clarify tomorrow. We have a meeting. I can clarify with the OPM and the architect where in the parking lot can those conx uh or in the field can those conx boxes
actually go that won't interfere with uh the fire tank or the well or the septic? >> That would be great. That would give us a little gone. Maybe an option to do it that way. >> The garage is harder obviously, >> but it's less movement if we can keep it there. If we could put it
>> and just move it back 60 ft. >> I think it can move to the left like 25 ft. >> Okay. >> Um everything is hinging on the well. >> Yeah. All right. So, we'll get the input from there and then >> hopefully soon >> with David and kind of go from there. We
have some options. Still looks as good. >> We'll get to We should go and get to exact dimensions so we'll have to >> get that. >> Oh, you Yeah, Jeremy has it in the Yeah. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. Thank you. >> Before we dismiss the chair, may ask a
question of the chair. It's >> okay. >> That's up to her if she wants to answer. >> I can ask away. >> I'm good with that. >> She will. Do you off the top of the your head, do you think there's going to be an issue with your um current budget to cover the
cost of the the uh plumbing and electrical inspectors? Hundreds of dollars. >> Um I'll find out tomorrow when we open up our sub bids subsid I I won't know until tomorrow if we're even going to be within the budget.
>> Okay. Well, let me uh propose this to the board that uh if you find that you have difficulty meeting that threshold uh that I will personally cover up to $500 for the inspection fees for the plumbing inspector and the electrical inspector.
>> Well, that is generous of you. >> I want to see the building. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Steve. It's very nice. >> That is nice. Anyone else? Anyone else? You know, you could always take up a donation. >> I know,
>> right? See, if if everybody in town gave you five bucks, I'm sure it would cover the cost of it all. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next on our agenda, we have
um the chief, the fire chief to come on. How you doing? How are you? >> Good. Hi. >> Hey. How are you? >> Good. Thank you. >> So, I have two proposals um two things that uh were talked about when Chief Anderson was here and I'm just following
up on it to get the select board's approval. Um the first is our 2016 ambulance that we have currently right now. Um our new ambulance is still being built. Hopefully it'll be done by this next week. It's in Iowa right now. I
actually reached out to the guy today to get some information. Um we probably won't see it until December in our station, but that means that we still have to load it with equipment and everything. And um so I'm asking the select board um if we could keep our
2016 um Ford F550 ambulance as a spare unit. Um just because of course this weekend we can use as an example uh we went to UMass three times this weekend uh to assist Ammeris Fire.
Um so we actually didn't have an ambulance in town. Mhm. >> Um and I had a couple call members said if you know if we have a second ambulance, you know, they would go to the station and cover the station to have an ambulance in town.
>> Okay. >> Um they actually uh Ammeris Fire actually utilized a lot of resources this past weekend. They had like 41 incidents >> uh between like 10 uh no 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m. at the college. So we went out
there twice. Uh and then we went out on Friday night and we went out again on Saturday night. Um Chief Anderson had already uh brought this plan and discussed it with the uh finance committee and they were in support of us keeping the second ambulance. Um
also since I've been here, we've actually borrowed District 2's ambulance twice to just get this one like an oil oil change and like a maintenance. Um so that's just taken another resource from another town for us to use. Um, so I just want to get your approval if we can
keep our second ambulance. >> Yes. I I don't see a problem with it. What I would be curious about is um how well it's still running, how many miles are on it, how many how many years are we going to get out of it? >> Yeah. So 150,000 miles are on it right
now. It just hit about 150,000 probably about 2 weeks ago. I just had it at Marcott for an oil change and I told them just to go through it. >> Okay. and uh they went through it and they said that uh it's in really good sh like they've taken really good care of it, the the crews and stuff and everyone
on the department. Um so we could probably get another 5 years, >> okay, >> out of it as a spare. Um we did call to see how much we get, how much it would be for a tradein value, and it's right around 5,000 or less, >> which which might not be worth it
because if we can keep it >> So you keep it active. >> Yep. So if >> if we're out and we get a call from another town, can we man it to send it out to keep it flowing, keep keep the cash flow? >> Yes. Yes. So that that is my plan. So
the uh before I got here, Chief Anderson had put money for PDMS once a day. So if they take it, so we've been very fortunate and lucky that we've actually had three people on shift during the day from 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. >> Okay. >> So especially with me being there, there's four of us. So if our first
ambulance goes to wing or CDH and a second call comes in, then myself and the PDM person can hop on the ambulance and provide a second medical call. >> All right. Then I would uh be acceptable to that. Glenn P. >> Where you going to park it?
>> We have room right in the station. >> Okay. >> No, we have a conx box out back. No, >> it won't fit. It's too >> And we already are. So the other thing too is we already are paying for an ALS license for our Tahoe right now. >> Y >> So all we'd be doing is just
transferring that license because we already paid for a paramedic license to the second ambulance. >> I mean it makes sense. I mean I mean really thinking it was $5,000. That's I mean it's >> Yeah. >> I mean it's more valuable to us to keep it for that kind of money.
>> I agree. And my also my other plan too is to probably probably get this in like the mix like every two weeks. So at least it'll give our our new ambulance like a break. >> Yeah. >> So we don't get too much mileage on that. So >> and also keep it running. >> Yep. >> Cuz I a Ford. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So I I ran Fords for about 30 years. They like to run every day. >> Yeah. >> If they don't run every day, they tend to fall apart. >> Okay. So >> is that their slogan? Yeah, it should be. I've seen it happen.
>> When they get up in age, that's what happens. >> No, I would agree. In that way, you know, we might as well use it as much as we can to get the value out of it and off offset the the new emblems as well.
>> Yeah. >> And also have the option to help the other towns if we can do that. So that >> and my second uh proposal, this is uh this was uh Chief Anderson had budget for FY26 for uh PDM paramedics. Um he
came up with a scale and already had it in the budget for FY26. Um he spoke to Mark about it and Mark and Mark said we have to bring it to the board. So Chief Anderson was just waiting for me to start to bring it to the board. Um so I wrote up a thing. Um,
so we were paying our PDM paramedics 27.50 and then we went down and we did like uh they had a scale for how many years as a paramedic if they're doing dual roles or if they're just paramedic only after 5 years. Um, and we actually
are kind of it it's the uh public sector. They've actually raised their rates for pdiums and part- timerrs. So it's been kind of hard to get paramedics. Um, so that's why we're looking for an increase a little here. Uh, it is already budgeted for um that
Chief Anderson put in. Um, but we've actually I've actually um had a lot of people come to me say that they want to come here part-time or PDM and their paramedics because of the pay. >> Okay. Um I if memory serves me correct, Glenn,
we did discuss this when Crystal was still on board I believe when >> Chief Anderson started filling in for us. So, I thought we were on board with it then. >> Okay. He thought so. He just wanted me to just bring it to you and >> Yeah, he did bring it to our attention. So, we were just kind of waiting for it
to come back, I guess. >> Yeah. It it it just again, these are certain things that kind of make sense. It it helps the the the fire department um you know u run, I think, more
efficiently when you have that. And it's it's valuable to the town because it's not a full-time person, right? >> We're not paying all the benefits and everything else that goes goes along with it. So, you know, if if you pay a few extra dollars up front, so be it. >> Um, but again, we're talking about, you
know, dollars that are used for life-saving events. I don't think anybody would question, you know, someone got spent some extra money to save someone's life. >> Thank you. >> Plus paramedics. I just want to say are very hard to come by. So if we're lucky
enough to have them actually want to come to our town, that's amazing. So >> I heard it's the new chief just I hope so. >> That's good. >> All right. So I'm open to vote. Would like to make a motion on that?
>> Uh well, why don't we start off the first one? >> The ambulance. >> Ambulance. Yeah. So, I'll make a motion that the town uh keep the sec uh our current ambulance uh even after the new ambulance comes in
and we'll transfer the license from the Tahoe over to that ambulance which will become the backup ambulance but will be used uh when needed but other times the gu as well. >> Yep. >> I will second the motion. >> All right. Any further discussion?
>> No discussion. >> All in favor? I >> I anybody opposed? >> Okay. >> What is is the current rate ch uh chief going to be the 2750? >> No, that was at 2750. So the current rate would be down below of what their
experience is. Um Oh, that's right. Okay. So, 3 to 5 years experience as a paramedic would be $30 an hour. 3 to 5 years as a firefighter paramedic would be $32 an hour. More than 5 years as a
paramedic would be $32 an hour. and more than five years of the firefighter paramedic would be $33 an hour, which is very reasonable, I would say. And again, people that want people that want to do this part-time um
is valuable to I mean to our organization, even like the fire department, I mean the police department, stuff like that. Um the but yeah you have the part- timerrs ord that actually helps a lot with coverage and
saves the town money in the long run. [Music] >> I agree. >> So I'll make a motion that we approve the additional uh hourly wages for uh paramedics and fire and fire
paramemedics. Um as read 3 to 5 years paramedic $30 an hour 3 to 5 years um firefighter paramedic $32 an hour 5 years or more paramedic $32 an hour and
5 years or more firefighter paramedic would be $33 an hour. >> I agree. I will second the motion. >> Any further discussion? >> No discussion. >> All in favor? I >> I anybody opposed?
>> Want to make sure I get something to do. Uh when do you want that effective? >> We got to have it effectively. >> He had a budget for the first of the year. >> He had it in the 26 fiscal year budget. So it's there. >> It's there now. So effective today
effective immediately. Effective. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate Thank you. Uh, next we have minutes. I'm just going to wait for our next meeting. So, a bunch here we can. >> That's perfect. >> Weigh in on the minutes in case you want to see them change.
>> Any update on the curbside collection? >> Yes, I do want to do an update. Um, so I have reached out to some surrounding uh companies. I'm waiting to hear back from one more. Two of them though are not doing the manual, they're doing the automat automatic. They said one of the
main reasons is because of the safety concerns. So I think we would have I would rather wait till Monday, November 10th anyways when Mark is here because him and I have been working on that as well together. Um so but I think it's definitely something we're going to have to probably think
about going >> automatic versus manual. >> Who who is the um >> I don't have the knees. Um >> that would do curbside. Who's that one? Cuz we know we know all the big firms that do the >> right. That's why I called waste. I have
the names. I don't have wasted on here, but And I'm waiting for um >> I don't know the names of the other one I called. I called waste Republican I talked to. There was another one. I'm waiting to hear back from SEAL something. I can't remember the name. I >> Okay. >> But I will if you can
>> Yeah, I'll get that information. see if we get to the the companies. Um I think it's just something we're going to have to maybe come to reality that manualists.
Steve, as far as um budget is concerned, do you have concerns going forward if we were to go automated because of the extra costs as >> I don't know enough the follow to give you an opinion at this point because I haven't reviewed Tam's
>> proposals or anything else. There are some concerns though are the automated systems. Uh a couple of things that come to mind are the condos. Uh right now we're subsidizing uh the tax collection through real estate taxes. >> Good point.
>> And it would be nearly impossible for Graby Ice for example to do those big big camps. There's no place to borrow. So that's a problem that would have to be addressed. Um there are, you know, I see every other community do
this. One of the biggest concerns that I personally have is what's the frequency? Well, so obviously if you did it bi-weekly, I know you and I have talked about this, it would be cheaper, but I also hear people saying that there's flies or there's issues with that. That's a long
time. Obviously, going weekly would be more expensive. So, I will tell you that there's one another thing that Holly and I have been discussing this as well. We thought about putting an RFP together, doing manual and automatic. you know, manual bid one weekly, manual bid two
bi-weekly, automatic one weekly, automatic two bi-weekly. >> Um, and just see what do we get just to put it out there because we have to do something. Obviously, we're coming down to budget time. So, >> budget season's coming up and I and I know Holl's been working really hard on
that RFP right now, combining both of the um I have one that's manual and I had one that was automatic and I I think you're almost done with with that RFP. So, we could go out that route, too. I mean, I I think you're not really going to get the sense of how much it's
actually going to cost us until we actually go out to bid. So I think if we really want like a true estimate, >> we need to go out. >> We go out to bid. So do we just take it and go out to bid and see what we get? I think that's what we should do and see where we stand. >> Put both out there and we look what's
the best option and >> you know feasible. Uh >> so do you want me to go ahead and and go go out to bid for it and we'll see where we stand where we're at. All right. We can >> How much long do you think we have on the RFP? Probably by next week. >> All right. So, let's >> So, I'll give you an update on Monday,
November 10th. Hopefully, we'll be able to have it out to bid. Holly and I are almost done with that and and we'll see where we stand. I mean, that's what it comes down to. >> That's what we need. >> I agree. So, >> because we have to we're going to be forced to make a decision. >> We really do. And budget is coming up so fast, so quick.
>> So, all right. So, I'll have that an update on that for you on Monday, November 10th. >> And I'll let you know when the big process will be taken when we'll have it out. Hopefully, we can have it out to bid before then. So, >> is Mark available November 10th? >> Yes, I made sure to make sure he would be available Monday, November 10th. Um,
so on that meeting, we're going to put on obviously up curbside collection update on the financials so we can talk about the revenue firms and then what was the what those boxes the >> ConX boxes? >> Condex boxes.
>> Rice box coex. They're coming. They're just storage boxes. >> Storage boxes. Okay. They're the big >> So I'll put discussion >> shipment containers essentially. >> Go check them out. >> So I'll put discussion. >> Wait to hear back from probably L and D
for that as well. >> Correct. >> Do you want me to still put on the meeting or do you want me to just wait until we hear back? >> It's not a long meeting for us. I don't want to jam over a lot of different stuff. >> All right. So let's just do those two. I won't put that on until the >> I mean if we have I hear information now. >> You could put it on there so it's on an
agenda and we have information at that time. We could we could talk about >> discuss it. >> All right. So we'll just put those two. So curbside collection and update on financials. >> Excuse me. Very good. >> That's all I got. >> Anything else?
>> Then I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> I will make a motion to adjourn the regular meeting at this time. >> And I'll second the motion. Any further discussion? >> No discussion. All >> in favor? I I. Anybody opposed?