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Folks, I'd like to call the meeting to order. Will you join us in the pledge, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. >> Okay, our first uh well, not quite 5:35. Uh at 5:35 we have public hearing to consider application of Smith Merryill Incorporated for a class 2 license to be located at

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161 West State Street next week because of that. >> Yeah. Say you want to take us USA. >> You want to take USA? >> Yeah. Think we can get that done. Right. Can you wait a few minutes for us and we'll take uh USA contract him?

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>> Okay. I did see the rep come in. Where'd he go? Oh, there he is. Thank you. Can you come up for us? >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Chair, I can uh give you a quick overview what's occurred over the last week or two. >> That would be wonderful. That'd be appreciated. Yes, we we did have a uh

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contract uh from USA that was cons uh that was presented, excuse me, to my to myself. I reviewed it also had town council review it. It's consistent with proposal that we had agreed to at our last meeting. As such, at this point,

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town council and I both uh recommend that the town sign off on the contract as it is in fact consistent with the proposal that was agreed to previously. And is that that's okay with you? I assume

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>> it's okay with me. All right. Y motion motion. >> I'll make a motion that we accept the contract uh to enter a contract of USA municipal collection as agreed upon. >> And I will second the motion. Any discussion? >> No discussion. >> All in favor?

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>> I >> I. >> And I guess we'll get Markx turn on later. I think that one only had one signature just I think you guys voted last time to have the chair. >> Yep. >> We'll get communication out. Don't let

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the woman be like >> we are going to talk about we we are going to talk about commercial as well the commercial recycling. >> Yeah. >> Um I'll reach out to you and uh once I want to make sure this is all set. We're going to reach out to the public the uh businesses and ask them if they want it and we'll figure that out.

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>> Yeah. I I'll get in touch with you guys by email tomorrow. Whatever. We'll figure out a time to go through. We got a number of other things. I will tell you, we've got carts going into production next week. I have a truck. I think we're going to hit the ground running in July 1st without

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any transition. So, we got we got things lined up to >> just working out communication. >> Anders will be will they be in line to >> They're they're due to actually start deployment now June 15th. >> Oh, great.

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>> As early as we got we got to work through all the details of that. Yeah, >> we're able to get those lined up ahead of time. >> Okay, we just have a question back. >> I thought I read that we need new containers for the trench this. >> Is that true?

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>> They are going to deliver them to to us all. >> Oh, okay. >> They'll be Is that's correct? >> Correct. Yes. >> They'll all be delivered to us. You'll have a 96gallon for recycling which is now single stream recycling which means your

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glass, plastic and cardboard all goes in there and for the trash is a 65gallon I believe. So essentially it would be like two trash barrels. I don't even fill those myself at home with four of us. So >> still bags for an extra >> no more blue bags. >> No more blue bags.

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>> No more blue bags. What if we have women? >> If you're filling more than 65 gallons a week, then I'd say you're you have a big Yeah, you have a big party going on. >> Um, >> give one to your neighbor. They

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>> So, as part of the agreement, um, >> the extra >> They're not going to do blue bags anymore. And what they'll do is if you consistently need an extra barrel, you'll you'll figure that out with USA Hauling yourself. And you'll pay them on a monthly basis. I believe you guys do

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monthly, right? So you you'll pay them on a monthly basis and they'll give you another card. >> Yeah, I think we'll Yeah, I don't want to get ahead of myself with kind of what we we want to talk to figure out some of those. >> These are all really good questions. >> We do a very similar design in a lot of

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communities using the same cards. Similar concerns, similar s uh uh uh around what do I do when I have around holiday time or what do I do around that? So, I think I don't want to get ahead of myself to speak to that. I think we've got um we have ways that we've navigated that without over

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complicating things and making everyone's life very difficult for for those oneoff situations. So, we'll work through things now just now that we have the agreement here with uh with the town that So, one other question. >> Yeah. Um, now that we have all of the

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recycling at one time, is it weekly >> or by week? >> It'll it'll it'll continue to be weekly. >> Yes. That should >> it was alternating. >> It's no longer alternating. >> So, every week? >> Yeah. We're going to the town will be serviced with a with a split value

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automated truck. So, whether you put it out or you don't put it out, the same truck is there every week has the ability to service it. Yeah. Sorry. >> Any other questions? >> I think we're all set. Okay. >> Thank you very much. Thanks, guys.

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>> Okay. Yeah. >> All right. Okay, Brett, we can go back to you now. Do >> you want me to You want me to sit? >> Yeah, you can. >> Yeah, you can all come on up. So, this is in regards to an application for used cars

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to sell used cars at your service station. >> Y >> 161 West State Street. >> Um, we've gone through this. >> Yep. Oh, yeah. >> And, uh, I believe that we are in

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agreeance with this as far as your class 2 license goes. Um, we do have a little bit of concern that the parking lot may become overcrowded. So, that is a concern of ours. So, um,

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even with approving your license, we will do that. We hope that you can cooperate with us and not overcrowd the parking lot and hopefully we can maybe just have a discussion about it later. >> Absolutely. >> Anything to add, Chief?

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>> Yeah. Well, I myself um the fire chief and the building inspector met with Brett and Nick. They showed us 15 spots. I think that's in one of the last photos. Um I know the planning board did approve up to 20. Uh we kind of agreed that could we try 15 if you guys are on

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board with that that public safety wise we feel like that gives us access in the parking lot in case of an emergency. Um, but that that 20 always stays in the background and if they can show more area that they can do it or they're doing something different and they need

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more spots then maybe we can approach it again that you guys can approach it again next year when they renew their license. >> Is that okay with you? >> It is I just my quick question would be the reapproach if we obviously we've always acted with integrity down there. So, it's just uh will the reapproach

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require, you know, this was about a year process. So, will it require this whole thing again or are we going to be able to get right into if we show that everything's working out to our >> Yeah, I believe that the license if let's assume that board agrees with the

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15 uh with 15 cars. It would be a conditional license condition on you not to exceed 15 cars. as we start to approach um another cycle with the licensing, just reach out to to myself or to you know who whomever whoever here

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at town hall and just indicate that yes, you would like to explore the the 20 at that point. Then yes, we we probably would have the same you know the chief and chief Bryant would will go out there reinvestigate and they would come back with uh with their recommendations.

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>> Okay. So it won't require a new site plan, a new board. No, because we we will get the license to you. We just want to make sure we're not overcrow crowding that parking lot. >> Gotcha. And >> the one caveat being and I'm assuming it's correct that you're not going to do wholesale changes to the to the lot

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itself or the >> Yeah. No, the operational changes. We changed our hours and days uh due to the uh uh addition of business. So I and we're changing the way that the the station operates. So we'll show as we grow that it's not going to be an issue.

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>> That's right. Uh Jim Trump, you had a question. >> Yes. Uh speaking from the planning board's perspective, we approved spaces based on their operation and it seems like the the uh select board is trying to supersede what the planning board

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approved. >> Well, >> and and I caution you based on outside your your purview that >> understand >> it's if if you want to if you want to restrict them for other reasons, that's fine. But the planning board has has

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authority over the the site plan approval. >> Well, the concerns are overcrowding with fire and police >> and and and that's okay, but we still we still um with all due respect, the planning board, you know, reviews

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site plans for many businesses, CVS, uh Dollar General, so on and so forth. and and it it seems like it's a little bit of a disrespect saying that you're you're only going to approve it 15 based on your perspective rather than the

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planning board's perspective. >> Understood. >> Any point on that? >> Which which opens you up to to appeal. >> Understood. >> I agree with that actually. Um I don't have a problem with the 20 cards if the plan board approved it. I mean,

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honestly, but if if you guys are good with the 15 to start off with, and I don't think we're trying to step on anybody's toes, I I agree with the actually the decision of the planning board. They are the authorizing, you know, authority on this. So, but >> I guess a quick thing, I mean, to meet

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in the middle, if it is kind of in the middle, if you're feeling that way, would be to work in the opposite manner is we are just getting started with this. I highly doubt we'll even be getting to the capacity we're even talking about. But if we do, what if it

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was if we get to the capacity of 20 and there ends up being an issue that then it's like hey guys the 20 is too much and then fire and then we said we're we have to have you scale back down to 15 if there was an you know if there was an

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issue cuz I mean we've never had an issue bending and and going with anyone. So, I was just wondering if that would be where it's like, "Hey, as soon as you went to 20, we saw 15. Maybe we could say we're at 15. We're going to go five more." And if at that extra five,

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someone's like, "Guys, now look at that. See, we already had an issue back to then we've shown that we have to go back to 15." I mean, it would be very easy to get five cars off the lot. No problem. So, I don't know if that's reasonable or if that's how that how everyone feels on

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that. Mhm. >> It sounds like a reasonable request. Uh Jim has wanted. >> So they already have these these 40 plus >> spots. So what difference does it make whether and and this was the planning

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board's conclusion whether the cars are for sale or service? >> Yeah, cuz we would never double park a car, I guess, is what it's definitely we will never be blocking. That just wouldn't work well for us. So we would never have like a car for sale in front of cars for service that we have to like

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move out of the way. If there's no spots, then we would >> What do you think the largest amount of cars you've had say in the past 6 months on that lot? How many cars? >> I've seen it pretty full a couple of times. >> It can be. I mean, depending on how people are parking, how people are if

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they're crooked, if you're if you're in one spot, um, scheduling wise, I can have 20 people depending if there's drop offs or it's it's a tricky schedule. You can have >> We haven't adjusted anything. >> We haven't adjusted anything in the last 6 months. But you have a car that

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someone drops off, they park right in the front of our sidewalk, it goes right into the garage, and it leaves with the individual. And then you have cars that are dropped off, >> right? So it's that's a really an arbitrary >> the way that I look at it would be that we honestly were again new and we're

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kind of going to really just get our feet wet in this is we would only be scaling at one card at a time. We could hit a certain point where we're just like okay we're we're staying here and that's where we would stay until we have noticed that the business operations are changing. There is not a chance that we would ever say let's just put 20 cars

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out there >> not adjust business and just day one smack right in. What do you anticipate your inventory is going to be right off the bat? >> Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't feel feel comfortable that we would even just test the water with five cars to see how they're moving on the lot. >> Yeah. >> I don't think that we're to the point

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where I would even feel comfortable having that type of inventory without us knowing how cars move in and out. We really did this because we have so many people saying, "You guys do a great job working on the cars. We want someone we can trust to buy a vehicle from, and that's really kind of the service we

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want to provide." So that's where it came from. >> Sorry, I just want to make the notation that the meeting with the owners did not include all owners. Also, um, in part of that, I felt that, you know, the planning board is looking at our site maps. They're reviewing it. There's not

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just one individual. It's an entire board of elected officials that we can trust to make the decision. So, for me, you know, it's been a very long process. The last thing I want to know is it's time to renew and we have to start over again to get a license to get five more cars if the growth is there.

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>> That's my only fear. >> Yeah. And just to clarify, let's once again if we assume the 15 and we fast forward to renewing the licensing guys say, "Yeah, we're we're really going to need the 20." Mhm. >> I mean, honestly, what I would do is I'd have the building inspector, both chiefs go back out, kind of confirm the

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situation, you know, work with you guys so we can in fact fix 20 on there and also that our public safety officials are comfortable as well because obviously you don't want to get to the point where it starts to compromise public safety in the eyes of the experts. >> So, why did planning board have to have

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approval in the first place? planning board never asked public safety our opinion because I believe you guys asked for a license for 7 to 12 cars or something like that off the when you originally applied. Correct. >> That was only because we were steered that way.

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>> Right. So, but when when the planning board sent something to public safety officials, >> we see that number. I didn't give an opinion because 7 to 12 was fine. >> I didn't have a I didn't get a chance to give an opinion on 20 vehicles. >> So, again, I don't want to cause a bunch of chaos. I just want to make sure that

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you guys can get your um >> you guys do what you want to do and we we can get in there if somebody's hurt anytime. >> So So what's your concern with public safety? Kevin or Chief >> Kevin's fine. >> When we count when we counted it out,

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there's just no more room. There's if you count out 15 spots across the front that goes all the way to the front where the gas pumps used to be and then there's only the side for customer drop off. I know they they talked about changing their business model and that's that can happen, but we all know that

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anybody that's been in the repair business, people drop off cars. They don't want to towed in. They're not paying for two toes. They're going to pay for a toe. So, if your car breaks down and it's just a concern that cars are going to be arbitrarily left places and out of their control sometimes because when tow trucks drop stuff off

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in the middle of the night, God knows where it is. And if the building is on fire, then you know it's more it's more that at that concern at that hour than it is um during regular business hours because they're moving stuff around and things like that. So that's what our

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that's what when we counted it out, we met like I said, Dina wasn't there. >> I was not I thought was people slowing down to look at the car. >> That's that's another one of my concerns that there's too many people jamming on their brakes because like you said, you may put a Lamborghini out there at some point. I can put one Lamborghini in.

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That's one. >> We're going to do 15 Priuses and I don't know. >> So that that was that between getting in there to help and people jamming on their brakes to look at a bunch of cars that are for sale out front. That was my concern. >> Mhm. >> Um it it does show 20 spaces according

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to this, >> but >> what do you do with your own vehicles when you >> we park next to the dumpers? >> Yeah, we have our own employee parking all the way uh on the side. Uh >> so does that include those four spaces or is that >> so that's where you >> park right behind that

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>> that square. >> No but also the thing is is the inside of the building the cars being worked on are also spaced. >> I see it holds eight. >> Yeah. I had a question. How is that how how are those spaces fits inside >> because the the way we're doing most of

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the business now is the appointments are made. They come down come out >> take the car in. So that that isn't these only spaces that are taken up are waiters or someone who's going to be picking up that. So a lot of the business now and what we haven't really

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totally shifted to is appointment days where we're cuz it's all online scheduling now and people are really enjoying it. But before it used to be a lot of just throw it down there, we'll get to it and there was no schedule. It's like well, you know, we'll figure it out. We're really trying for people's

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schedules cuz they're so busy. like you're here on a Monday at 9:00, get you in. See, like >> they're never in a parking spot, >> right? >> They just go in, >> right? >> They're kind of like a nice >> I don't know. People like it cuz they're not waiting around. >> And then we kind of have two that are next to the sidewalk. They're not going

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in. >> But again, I'm not we're we're also very much wanting on record that we're not also trying to give >> much push back. We kind of just been in the middle of kind of this. Well, I also don't want the chair of the planning board coming down on us either.

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>> That that's not the case, but there is a process. >> Yeah, agree. >> I agree with that, too. >> I I honestly don't have a problem with the 20 spots. I really don't >> plan that. But again, I give

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>> I don't want to tie this up. This is But again, I think they agreed to something. We agreed, you know, we went out and counted. I understand what Mr. Trump is saying, but again, I also want to point out that when the application came in, it said 7 to 12 cars. If it was 20, I would have probably wrote something up

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at the time. Just want to put that on record. >> Okay. All right. Then I would um make a suggestion that we top it at 15 cars for now. I I don't want to see this get dragged

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along at all. So I I agree with the planning board's 20, but I'm not going to put a stop to this. Let them do their business. >> A third party. So >> again, you guys do it's ultimately your decision. I just we gave we gave you our

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opinion. I I think we should go with the 20 honestly and then see where it goes. How many vehicles do you have on average in the lot? >> And it's so hard. It's so hard, >> right? Obviously. I mean, so some days I

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drive by, I see that there's almost nine. >> Today I had four cars parked out front because we had bigger jobs and they were all in the garage. >> Again, I I really want to really highly stress that like we would never do anything that's going to make our lives

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more miserable. like we wouldn't want to not have a spot. So I again I siding with planning board because that's what they said. I honestly feel that that's that as we grow we will self limit ourselves anyways cuz we are just getting started with I mean like again

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this is not going to be something where you're running into issues. I would I would I I want to uh preface that way because if we are full and we have customers cars that can't go anywhere, that just makes our lives like what are we going to do with those cars? >> And we don't have to wait a year to address issues. So if we see an issue

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right off the bat, we're >> That's what I'm saying. There won't be >> I just I would hate to see the board decide to limit take 25% of your business away from you right off the bat. >> Right. And I I promise you that you we will be the first ones to understand there's a problem before anyone else

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knows there's a problem. And cars coming on the lot is very easy to be like, "Yeah, we're stopping right here for now." So I can make one more point. part of the conditions if I'm not mistaken and the planning board also

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said but they can't obstruct access or egress with their operation. So, so they're responsible of managing their own operation as far as whether the vehicles are for sale or for service that they

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have to maintain clear access for for life safety. >> And any infraction of that would would be against their license. >> Correct. >> Cuz you got three entrances, two on 202 and one on the side, right?

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>> Okay. And then one up here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. or can >> well if you'd like to make a motion I will >> is this Jim is this lot line according to the plan obviously this

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Can't see it right. >> The dark line. Is that your lot line? >> Is that the road? >> Can you Can you come up and >> us or Jim? >> You please. >> It goes right through the parking spots.

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>> Is that the 202 edge? >> Yeah. No, that's I don't know. This isn't uh I don't know who where'd you get who printed this planning board. >> Was this planning board? >> Yeah. >> Jim, can you verify this for us, please?

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>> No, >> I'm not a surveyor. >> I realize that. But I'm assuming this is the Wow. I know >> this here. Yes. >> This doesn't look like the plan I was present to us, but

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>> different variations, but but it's basically >> it's missing, but like that that language is >> it's also >> missing showing. >> Yeah. On everything the the other You good? >> Well,

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>> I don't know with with that in question. I mean, >> I'm looking at this now. There's five spaces there. If that's the lot line, >> we questioning there's those spaces have been there since 19. I realize too.

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>> I realize that. But >> there's that. That's not That's not the grass buffer here between 2021. >> That's this island. >> Yeah. Yes. >> You're referring to the catalog and

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>> that's correct. >> That's not That's not the plan that was presented. But but again I'm here to perfect the process. The process is >> understood >> isn't here for the select boards and telling them the site plans. It's the

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it's to uh issue the license based on and and and this has come before us before uh applicants would come to the select board and say we want a license for for 50 to sell 50 cars. And you and the the

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select board would go, well, you need to go to the planning board to let us know what the site plan will approve. And if you want to deny it on a on a something other than site plan, that's fine. That's >> I didn't say I was going to deny it. Um,

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but now I have questions on that as far as is the site plan correct? the planning board said it was. So I I don't know what else to tell you, >> right? >> I would um >> I'm just trying to protect the process. That's all.

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>> Thank you, Jim. I appreciate that. I get it completely. Um, I just am in questioning now if we could get a better explanation of this >> of the site plan >> because I could see where the chief

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would might say 15 spaces. If this is um if this is the lot line, you're now encroaching on town space. >> So, you're questioning the planning board. >> Everybody questions us. Why can't I question you? I mean,

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>> the planet board. >> So, Chief Orady, you said that you went down there. I was not there. And you counted. Where did you count >> the spots that uh >> And like while you were there, what were you counting in front of

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>> all along the edge? Just like kind of how this shows here. >> Okay. >> The 11 and the three or five. >> Yeah. >> 11 and five in the front. >> In the front. Yep. So, it wasn't in question as far as where that line is. >> I never never even paid attention to that line that you asked. It looks like

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But there's the grass and it looks like part of that parking spot, you know, um judging on how this line looks, but no, we were just they we counted them out. We didn't actually have this in front of us. We actually just counted in person, >> right? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Personally, I don't think this is an

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issue at all. I mean, space I mean, this is just poorly drawn. >> Poorly drawn. poorly drawn, but the spaces are full spaces and then you got a grass buffer and then you got 202 right there. I mean, >> okay. >> So, >> then I will entertain a motion to uh approve the class 2 license.

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>> I'll make a motion to approve uh class 2 license for Smith Merrill Incorporated. Uh class 3 license as submitted by the planning board with the same conditions. Used car sales up to 20 cars on the lot. sales to take

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place in existing office and hours of operation 7A to 8P 7 days a week. >> I will second that motion with the understanding that we are going to pay very close attention to it and

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not overcrowd that lot. We don't want to have any problems. You have a lot of fuel, a lot of oil, a lot of everything over there that >> Hey, >> even being a brick building, I don't know if we could save it. >> Absolutely. Understood.

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>> I'm sorry. Is that a question? >> Is this a license for a year from now or just the end of the year? >> I think it expires at the end of >> December 31st calendar. >> Yeah. >> So, I second the motion and uh any any

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more discussion? No discussion. >> All in favor? >> I >> I go. You're all set. Thank you. >> Hey. Good time. Good timing. Where is Kim?

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Oh, Kim. Will you come up, Kim, please? Uh it's 6 o'clock animal control officer about a dog. >> You're on. >> Good evening. Um so I am here because of a complaint that's been ongoing for

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quite some time now. It first started in 2024 shortly after I started with animal control, but from my understanding it had been happening prior to me, but I have no records of that. Um, it's mainly loose dogs. There's some farm animals

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involved, but that's not much to do with me. Um, I have cited the family several times. Um, recently the new citations from a couple weeks ago still haven't been paid. Um, I'm here in front of the

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select board because other than me continuing to issue multiple citations, which I already have, there's not much more that I personally can do. From my understanding, I don't know if the select board can issue, you know, that they have to put up a fence, that they

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have to do something to contain these dogs on their property. So, I don't think this is any sort of formal hearing. The owners aren't here, but it was just kind of to present it to the select board to see what the next steps I guess should be

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with this. >> So you excuse me, you'd you'd issued 20 or you received 20 complaints. >> I've received 20 complaints and of course >> issued six verbal warnings plus the written warnings. >> Correct. So I always start with verbal

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warnings, then I do written warnings, then I do the citations, and then obviously the amount of the citations increase as the violations continue. >> Um, >> how many money tickets did you write? Money citations.

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One, two, three, four, five, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. A couple of these are for also an employee that works on the property. Um, she has not paid any of

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the citations that were given to her yet. 13 at $25 each. >> Oh, no. No. They start with 25 and then they go to 50. >> Okay. >> So, there should just be one for each of

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them for 25 and then the rest are all 50. So, yep. So, one each for 25 and the rest of them are all 50. This has been it's an ongoing issue just I know just for working with the department you know this is >> okay

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>> this has been an ongoing issue >> I've had um well I haven't but Sergeant Richards has gone and spoken with them Lieutenant Marian recently went and spoke with them I've spoke with them originally it was um their electric fence that they had around the property

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was failing and they were supposed to have that fixed from my understanding it hasn't been um but there really hasn't been any effort to >> do anything about >> do anything. You know, it hasn't >> and with that amount of written citations, the least they could do is pay them to the town.

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>> Well, like I said, they had up until these last three that I sent were by mail because the last time I went to drop them off, it wasn't a very welcomed visit. So, the chief suggested that I put them in the mail this last time. >> Okay. And the unpaid ones can be addressed through a bylaw by bylaw

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violation and then go to court and answer to it. So, we will follow up with Emily, confirm they're not paid, and we'll >> As of Friday, they weren't. I didn't check with her today, but >> that's fine. But we'll we'll we'll hit them with a bylaw violation, and that's a criminal complaint. >> Okay. >> And like you said, we don't want to take

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anybody's dog or anybody's >> They have children. Like, I don't want to go and take their dogs away from, you know, I would just like them to either fix their electric fence, maybe put up another fence, maybe if the dogs are supposedly getting out the front door, maybe gate the front of the house. I

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mean, something has to be done. >> Yeah, they need to make an effort to try and comply at least. I mean, it's obvious that they have not made any effort at all. And what is the most current violation? >> It's all the same. >> When I should say when? >> Oh, a couple weeks ago.

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>> So, it's it's on. Oh, that was the dogs. >> That was the dogs. >> Yeah. >> And then the peacock. >> We had peacock. >> We had peacocks that were in the neighbor's chicken pen. I we had to go get out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But, you know, and on all >> they don't have a lease law for those, but you can keep them in your yard.

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>> I have the violations on each one. I write dogs must be restrained on property, >> you know. So, it's not like they don't >> So, this is something that we can address through the station or >> No. Um, under the K9 bylaw, it looks like you guys we can we can the

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citations that have not been paid by >> can be a bylaw violation, criminal complaint that can be addressed. >> Okay. >> I think you guys are going to have to have a hearing. That's what it seems like >> proper notices out to have the owners come in and say, "What are you doing about this?"

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>> Yep. Okay. >> I have the bylaws with me at you. >> I'm quite familiar with that bylaw. Unfortunately, >> um Okay. Do we need a motion on that or >> I think moreformational and have to get them in >> get them both in kind of like a

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mediation and u >> Well, I think it's going to have to be a hearing from the >> Yeah. I I I think a come to Jesus meeting with the with the owner and maybe in parallel or as the chief had suggested we go with a a bylaw violation cuz then the court's getting involved.

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>> Okay. Can we uh then put that on our next agenda then and try to get them here and we'll address the bylaw issue and the personal issues with the dogs and peacocks. >> Yeah. >> All right, Kim. So, we will put it on

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the agenda for our next meeting. We'll ask them to come in so we can have a conversation with them and see what we can do about it. >> Perfect. >> In the meantime, if you >> just keep >> just keep doing what you're doing and we'll go from there. >> Yeah. It's just a at this point it's like a waste of resources, you know, we're just

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>> agreed. Yeah. It's a lot >> police station and having to get them involved and it's just >> I mean you're you're at 19 with verbal and written you're at 19 citations or verbal warnings at this point. So it's quite a bit. Try it.

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>> Obviously, the money's not detouring him. >> No, it's not for lack of trying. That's for sure. You did your good. So, it's obviously neglect on their end. >> Yeah, we feel for the neighbor. I mean, it's ridiculous what she has to deal what they have to deal with, you know. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you for your time.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay. Next in line, we have our town moderator. >> It's early. Can't do it either. >> Discussion for June 8. >> We're a little bit early there. >> We are, >> Mr. Chair. Yeah, I was going to say if you want to >> get some of the other ones. Yeah. A through >> I'm sorry. It is only 607. You're in for

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six. >> Sorry. >> She's trumpeting at the bottom. >> I think she is. >> Okay, we'll move on to any citizen participation. >> Nothing. Okay.

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Uh COA director job post. >> Yeah. In your new business. >> Yeah. In your packet, you'll find the uh COA uh um job description, but actually a uh potential posting. >> Yep. >> That uh Kathy was able to to find from a

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previous posting. and we're just asking that the board review and hopefully approve that uh posting so that we can in fact post it. As you know, the um COA director is um

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going to be leaving us on July 1st. >> Ron, this is the same posting as I mean this is nothing really changed. I mean, I know you weren't here, but from the last time we >> I believe the only thing that that has changed, according to Kathy, obviously would probably be any change in the the salary.

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>> Salary. Yeah. >> It's pretty basic. All right. >> I'll make a motion to approve the council on aging director job posting as written. >> Effective. Effective. May 25th. >> Why? >> That's old. >> Yeah, we'll we'll get that part updated.

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>> Yeah, we'll tweak that. >> Okay, I will second the motion. Any discussion? >> No. >> All in favor? Bye. >> Hi, National Grid. >> We don't actually have a hearing set up for that. >> No, no, it's not a hearing. >> It's just Yeah, it's just a uh an

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easement document. very much template boiler plate language and this is so that they can uh bring power to the West Street building. >> Oh, we're going to let them have power too. >> Yeah, I can get one. >> You want that building?

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>> That's a lot. >> Did we budget for that? >> I did. >> Okay. It is a it is a grant of easement. Um I did re read through it quickly. So that is for power to go to the West Street building and we do need power. So, I will accept a motion.

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>> I'll make a motion to approve the grant of easement request uh 14 West Street, the former West Street School. >> Yeah, it was labeled as a West Street School. I think I did say, wasn't it? >> Oh, just on the agenda.

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>> Okay. >> Yep. Good. >> Yeah. >> I'll second the motion. >> Discussion. >> Any discussion? >> All in favor? >> I >> I. >> Mr. Chair, if we can just point out that the agenda has a typo. It should just be

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West Street, not West. >> That's That's what I was looking at to see if that wasn't in here. Right. Thank you. >> I guess at some point we probably should just change it to new municipal buildings. >> Yeah. Hopefully. >> Yeah. So, okay. So, there's the new one. Uh, we

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have a common VIP for LA Lebanese LLC for charter dates. That should be just one. Yes. >> Yep. That's the one.

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>> I will make a motion to approve Common Vic number 26-56 to Villa of Lebanon, 575 John Fitch Boulevard, South Windsor, Connecticut. Fe of $25. >> I'll second the motion. Any discussion?

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>> No discussion. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Municipal waste. We did >> um should the table of liaison for the heads because Mark is not here? >> I was going to suggest that. Yes. >> Okay. So, we uh the next piece of the agenda would be uh liaison to the

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department heads. But since Mark Bale is not present tonight, we are going to table that until the next meeting. That was good. And then we had Mark actually for website discussion. Mark have to table that one also.

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>> Yeah, Mark did not provide a whole heck of a lot of detail. So I would say it's better to to wait for Mark. >> Okay. So discussion of the website. Mark Bale was going to come in with information on that um to see how we could upgrade it and move forward on it.

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So because again Mark Bale is not present tonight, we will table that until the next meeting. Do we have any correspondence? Couple of minutes. Couple of minutes till 6:15. So yeah,

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uh we do have a correspondence. So I can pull up here with regards uh specifically to the the um forge pond area in which the Kestrel Land Trust I guess is interested in

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having discussions with the conservation commission. Uh Kestrel Land Trust, as you may be aware, is well known throughout the Pioneer Valley and really all of Western Massachusetts uh with regards to uh purchasing conservation

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land. So I certainly think it's it's worthy to have have that discussion with uh Castro Trust and they are I guess specifically going to be speaking with Com. >> Absolutely. I'm totally open to that. It would be great to get some help with the costs of that Dan if we can. Sure.

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>> So, I would love to set something up with them and see what they have to say. >> Okay. Excellent. >> Maybe get that in on the agenda for the next meeting. >> Yep. >> Very good. >> Is that all you had, Ron? >> Yeah, that was that was really pretty much it. Okay. The rest is

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>> Okay, Lynn, you're up now. 6:15. >> Excellent. Okay. >> Is this an extra copy? >> Oh, yep. Right here. >> Thank you. Lay down this way. >> All right. The whole purpose of me being

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here tonight is to go through the second half of the annual town meeting motions with you to determine who's going to present the motions. >> Yeah. Thanks. and to make sure that you understand enough about what's being asked so when we have questions you'll

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be able to answer them. >> Uh but before we start going through the warrant I want to um just remind Chief u that we were going to do a code red call. I know that we're waiting for Mark to get back to us regarding uh we're

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planning or Mark had wanted to have a um food drive with Grammy to go and we're figuring out if that is still going to happen because if it is we were going to put it in the code red car call to to let people know. >> I was going to let you know in the morning it is going to happen.

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>> Yep. So 6:30 we'll we'll we'll talk 6:30 neighbors helping neighbors van will be out front of the school in the fire lane area collecting as people are coming in. That way we don't have to double touch it. >> Right. >> So we will have a food drive next

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>> Monday the 8th >> at the East Meadow School. >> All right. We just need to stress however that it is not a requirement to get into meeting correct to bring anything. Right. Correct. >> Right. It's just it's just >> Well, you and I will make a decoration

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between us and the food bank. >> Yes. >> No cover charge to >> Yeah. No cover charge. All right. So, starting with article 21. >> Oh. So, so what what Ron and and Chief and I worked on was um getting these

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explanations into the motions to have this handed out at town meeting rather than just the motions. So, um do you want me to read these or do you want to just how do you want to do this? >> Um

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>> I mean the bottom line is it's it's it's um 670,000 for curbside trash pickup. Mhm. >> This isn't a new motion. It happens every year. We do have, however, a new vendor. So, we added that to the explanation.

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>> This article dedicates 67879 for curbside trash pickup. >> Mhm. >> USA waste and recycling will be the new vendor. Okay. Agreed. >> So, who would like to present this motion? >> I will present that motion.

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Perfect. Article 22, uh, the sewer department. So, there's areas in we but how we explained it where the areas some areas use town community septic systems are a part of the system that goes to the regional waste water treatment facility. >> Right. Every year is this. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Same thing every year. >> Um, do you want to ping pong back and forth? You want to read to them maybe too or? >> Yeah, I guess we can uh do that and then we can insert Mark in a few of them and just take our >> So Jeff, you want that one? >> So take that one, Jeff. >> Yeah, I'll take it.

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>> So 23 we're sending $75,000. And there's a actually detailed explanation there as to why uh money was dedicated in 24 for this wasn't used. So we have to resend it in

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order to use it for something else. Should we have Dave present this? >> Not you Dave. Dave >> uh Dave D. Roer because is the pumping station. I think that that would probably be better because he has all the detail on it if he's open to that.

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I'll reach out to Dave tomorrow. >> What' you say? >> I'll reach out to Dave tomorrow and let him know he's currently >> I can I usually send emails out to let people know that they're responsible for that motion. >> We'll do. >> So, article 24 is the same thing. It's

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just rededicating now $110,000. >> Okay. >> So, I'll make sure that Dave realizes that he will be doing that one. Article 25, ambulance receipts. So, this is going to obviously be Chief

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Bryant. >> Chief Bryant. Yeah. >> Article 26 is our budget. Historically, the finance committee presents all the budget articles. So this is not you guys.

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>> Oh, good to meet you. >> And hopefully our department heads will be there to defend their budgets. >> Yes. If questions are asked, >> I will be sending out an uh an email to the department heads tomorrow strongly recommending that they uh are there at

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town meeting in case there are questions from the floor that they can address them. >> Perfect. So, article 27 is actually a withdrawal because it was a mistake. It was a duplicate of article 26. So, um

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Dave, do you want to withdraw that article? >> Sure. Yes. >> So, all you'll have to do is say, uh, madam moderator, I withdraw article 27. I will say, why are you withdrawing it? And you can just say it's a duplicate. >> Very good. So I'm not um so the note

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do you guys want that note in there? >> Yeah, that was that is directly from uh communication committee. >> Yeah. No, I don't. Um So >> if we're explaining it in the article, I don't think we need to put it there as

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no. Correct. >> All right. >> I agree. >> Okay. Article 28 is capital equipment need stabilization fund transfer transfer. >> I can I can read that my office. I can take that one.

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All these are majority by the way. >> Okay. >> Do you have any questions on that one, Jeff? >> Do I have any? No. >> Okay. Article 29 is um transferring from free cash to reduce the tax levy.

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>> I will take that one. >> Oh, don't forget Mark's sitting there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I mean for now Do we have to take it in this meeting just to We can pass a few of them on to him afterwards. Or do we want to give it to him? >> Well, I just need to know as the

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moderator, but we'll give Mark number 29. How's that? Okay, >> give it to Mark then. That's fine. >> We can actually give him the um let's give him 32 since he was involved with the East Meadow. He was a chairperson of the East Meadow building

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project and article 30 is reducing >> the bond premium. >> Yep. Agreed. So give that to Mark you said. >> Yep. >> Article 31 is transferring from a revolving fund

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inspections revolving fund for reducing the tax levy. >> I'll take that. >> You want that one? And you're okay with the explanation? >> I mean, >> article transfer 67,000 and change from the inspections revolving fund to the

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fund to fund the fiscal year 27 budget. Yes. >> Right. And the last one is relatively easy. Authorizes town to collect taxes. So Jeff, you want that one? >> Sure. >> All right. >> Thank you. You're welcome.

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>> Ron, is there anything else you want to know or >> uh No, I think we're good. I think once we uh we can get the blast message out, I as I said, I'll notify the uh different department heads and I'll also not notify Mr. Roas that he has a couple

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uh couple motions to make. >> All right. And um we'll find out tomorrow when you actually or when you put the blast out how many people are still not reconnected to code red. >> Correct. >> We can make another announcement at town meeting about that. >> Do it right now too. If you're not on

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code red or if you doubt whether you're signed up or not, please just go back and sign up again. You can't duplicate yourself. So go back on to the police department's website, grabby pd.org, org or the town's website, Graanby ma-gov, and find the link to code red

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>> and sign up again because we had, as we said in the past couple meetings, we had like 3,500 people that were receiving code reds. Their system got compromised. They transferred over what they could. As of the last code red, we were somewhere between 900 and a,000 people

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that were notified. So, please sign up again. You You only get one call. All right, perfect. And then you're all set, Dave, with your six minute. >> Oh, yes. Y All right. >> I'll send it off to you anyway, so you can read. >> All right.

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>> Yeah. Good. I kind of figured that's what you were alluding to anyway. >> Yes. Perfect. >> Very good. >> Thanks. >> Thank you, Lyn. >> Yeah. We got about five minutes. >> Departmental reports. I'll take a motion on if >> Yeah. Um, make a motion to approve the

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departmental reports. >> I will second the motion. Any discussion? >> No, they look good. >> All in favor? >> I >> I want you. >> Yeah,

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>> in the blue. I don't know. There might have been some that were added, so it might take up too much time, but we can break away. >> Well, I can't sign off on the agend. >> Well, only the payroll,

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>> correct? Yeah, payroll. Jeff, you you'll want to avoid that one. But the the others you can >> I can uh I can still propose the payroll ones or No, I just can't sign off on them. >> Just Does it actually say what they are, though? Because these pages don't say whether it's payroll or not.

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>> They're just numbered. >> Well, that was PR 047. So, I assume that's payroll. >> PR. Yeah, PR would be >> PR is payroll. >> I don't know what D72 is either. >> There's a payw wall there. That's a pay wall. Yeah.

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>> D72. Yeah. Let's see. Break down. >> Got more. You have more line up here. So, there was they were added to. >> So, pull the payrolls out of the side for now cuz we're not going to be able to approach those anyway.

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>> Okay. The other ones should be left. >> 627. So, you got time for a couple of them. >> Make a motion to approve the following warrants. Warrant number 0073S

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dated 519 2026 in the amount of $220,263 and 10 cents. >> Second the motion. Any discussion? >> Discussion. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> make a motion to approve warrant D72

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dated 522 of 26 in the amount of $428,978.13. I will second the motion. >> No discussion. >> Any discussion? >> No. >> All in favor? >> I make a motion to approve the warrant

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0007 C O RR dated 73125 in the amount of $10,635.36. >> I will second the motion. >> Any discussion? >> No discussion. All in favor? I I will make a motion to approve warrant

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073 dated 529 2026 in the amount of 5468,6516. >> Second the motion. >> Any discussion? >> No discussion. >> All in favor? I >> I >> make the motion to approve warrant

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number 073 dated 529 2026 >> in the amount of That's a double. >> That's a double. >> We already did that. >> That's the last. >> Is that a Yeah, that's the same number. >> Same. Did it get separated somehow? Maybe. >> Yeah. >> Is there or is it >> usually sign two, right?

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>> Yep. >> Yeah, but the first one 73 dated 529 468 65 16. It is a duplicate. So that was already done. >> So we're all set. >> No sense. All

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>> set. Okay. One minute left. Let's see. want to sign the Glenn. >> Yes, please. >> Is that That's what I'm thinking. Is this the second one of that? >> That's That's what I'm just looking at cuz there's not a second. >> Right. So, it must be

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>> Yeah. So, these went together, Jeff. Okay. She just separate. Thank you, chief. Yep. >> Okay. It is now 6:30. Will the communications committee come forward for draft material for town meeting explainer?

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>> Hey folks. >> Hello. >> I'm Tobias Wilson and the chair of the communications committee. Um so for the last town meeting we wrote up an explainer which gave a kind of plain language explanation of what town meeting was, who should come to town meeting and also explain each of the

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articles. We used that to promote it on Facebook primarily. We also put it up on the website to try to get people uh to feel more empowered to come uh to know what was going to happen at town meeting and to make it a little clearer than the more legalistic language of the official

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articles. Um, >> so we came before you at that point with a draft and it was approved and we promoted it. Um, I didn't candidly get a lot of feedback from it, but I did get a little bit of feedback that it was appreciated. >> So for this upcoming town meeting, we

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have again written an explainer. Um, you should have a copy of it shared with you. >> The opening material is essentially what we had last time. Uh, we tweaked some wording to clarify things. We also added a section called where does the money come from? That was in response to some

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questions that came up at the previous town meeting where people weren't sure what it meant to borrow a bond versus raise an appropriate. So, we have um just some basic definitions of some of the finance terms like what's free cash that come up pretty frequently. Um and I believe that Lynn ran those by the

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treasurer um to make sure that we were being truthful while simplifying the language a little bit. So that's the only real new content in there um until we get to the articles. And then for each article we gave a very brief explainer um of you know this

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article dedicates X for Y kind of for each one. Um so that's pretty much it and we were here just for asking your approval to go ahead and promote that on Facebook in advance of the meeting like we did before. And

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>> do we are we matching what you have in the explanations already, Lynn? >> Correct. >> Yeah. In essence, we took the continent uh communications committee had come up with as far as their explanation and we just inserted it underneath the motion so that it's a little more concise and

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compact. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Not all >> some of them we added more information. >> Well, that's true. Yeah, we did tweak some. >> Okay. So, >> so this would be the same as the la uh our last meeting where you would hand this out to the public so they can read

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through it with us. >> So, it's for the communications committee. It doesn't get handed out at the meeting. Uh town moderator controls what's handed out at meeting and by the time we get to town meeting when there's motions written down >> it's already out there. >> There's more information available and it can be given verbally and it can, you

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know, happen through question and answer. This is really meant to go out beforehand. >> We do it on the website. we do it on the Facebook. As soon as we do have like email newsletters and email blasts set up, we would love to get people subscribing so we can email this out to them. Um, but we don't have that set up

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at the moment with the website. So, it'll be social media. >> I think it's a great idea. I think anything to get more people out to the town meetings is >> Yeah. Our hope is it makes it accessible to people. They know what they're coming for. >> Exactly. >> Any other discussion? >> I just got a quick question. Are you

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guys backing this information up? Are you guys officially a town site on Facebook? >> If you are, it needs to be backed up. >> I am sharing it from my personal Facebook account, introducing myself as communications committee, and linking back to the town website, which is where it's posted.

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>> Okay. We just have to be cautious that stuff's backed up properly. It's not a it's not a big deal if at some point if you guys create one, but it has to be make sure it's backed up because at that point, it's a public site. >> Yeah, absolutely. We are aware of that and we we do want to talk about town Facebook presence someday, but in this moment we're keeping it simple and

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>> okay. Just want to make sure like I said I I'll make sure it it moves forward in a in a correct way because we ran into that at the PD when you know we got our Facebook page. It has to be backed up. >> Understood. We're not going to make any accounts without y'all knowing extensively about it. >> We have a question. >> Yeah. Um I guess this is communication.

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So, you just voted on a lot of warrants and so forth. Where is that information available to those of us in the general public so we know what's going on? Um, and is this incorporated? Is there a place where you can see this or even the

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agenda for the meeting? >> The agenda is posted on the town website. >> Uh, was it there for this meeting? >> Absolutely. It has to be posted by law 48 hours ahead of time. >> Okay. So, it is posted there. As far as the um

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>> warrants are, those usually are spend a lot of money. >> The warrants are posted. Those were posted. I'd have to look at the date. I want to say it was the I don't remember honestly. So, I can't say a date, but it was early >> late April, >> right? >> Not the town meeting, the ones we just got voted.

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>> Regular weekly warrant warrant. >> I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about the town meeting. >> Yeah, those I do not believe are posted. They are a public record as soon as they're presented to the select board. I guess we could come up with a repository. We could probably work with the communications committee to come up

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with a repository for those. I'll be honest, they're uh unless you're a CPA there not a lot of information on there. Um I would actually suggest if you have especially if it's a a specific or detailed question, probably better to

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reach out to myself. And >> it it was just that there I heard all these warrants in the amount of money. >> Yeah. >> I had no idea what it was for. >> Uh there there for certain um the the kind of common ones obviously payroll is

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a warrant that has to be done bi-weekly. >> Well, I'm just I I get it, but it's just I'm at the matter of communication and the u where where's uh where do you ask people to sign up for that? I've been here 6 years and

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>> it's been it's on two websites. It's on the town's website and it's on the police department's website. On mine, I can tell you it's right on the front page. If you go to grabbypd.org, it'll say something right about code red. You click on that and it gives you a link and it asks you basically name,

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address, and telephone number. And I think email Oh, yeah. No, it's a it's a it's an all call. It's an all call. We use it for emergencies and we use it for >> I get I get what it's for. I just know it existed. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, no other discussions. With

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that said, I like to take >> There was there was one small change on article 26 >> which I can show you afterwards. >> Okay. >> Also, Mark sent me a couple of small verbiage edits beyond what was presented to you um, which I've made and in

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consultation with Mark. >> So, I can enumerate them if you need me to, but it was small changes to things that he he wanted to clarify for him. >> So for article 26, I have these

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articles. We'll cover the operating budget for fiscal year 27 is what I have. >> Right. And then the finance >> the finance committee will present the budget. Right. >> You want that to be the budget versus the details? >> Yeah, the budget. >> Sure. The budget. Yes. the the details

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I'm assuming will come from department heads. Uh someone has a specific question for highway about an expense. Dave is certainly better suited to address that type of question. >> All right. We will change the details to the budget bridge department during town meeting.

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>> I can actually if you give me your email address I can forward you >> the document that we had just discussed. >> Sure. >> Okay then. >> Another question, Rich. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Rich. Uh, did you skip 5G uh discussion

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boldly open meeting law complaint dated 51? >> That's that's our executive session, Rich. It's not open for discussion until we go to executive session. Yeah, >> it was it was skipped purposely so that we can get into it afterwards.

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>> All right. I'll motion to >> I'll make a motion to approve the communication committee's draft material for the town meeting. um explainer. >> I will second the motion. >> If there's no more discussion, all in favor I >> I in session. >> Thank you. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. G I mean obviously we can't go into the details but uh with regards to the open meeting law complaint I have discussed that with town council and he's recommended due to the the nature

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of the open meeting law complaint that the board authorize myself and town council to uh to create a a response and send it to the complaintant as well as the attorney general's office. >> And will we do that in open meeting or >> Yes, we we we need to do that open

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meeting. Jeff, make a motion on that if you'd like to make a motion. >> I'll make a motion that town administrator along with town council make a formal >> what do you want to call it? A response >> response response to the uh open meeting

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law complaint. >> I will second the motion. Any discussion? All in favor? I >> I >> Thank you, Rich. And thank you, Rod. Okay.

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>> Uh, town administrator report. Do we have anything? >> Uh, yeah. I mean, obviously I'm I'm still kind of coming up to speed, so to speak, but uh I think uh it's probably appropriate at this point uh as I enter my third week uh just to send out uh

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kudos to not only Chief O'Grady, but Kathy Leonard, uh Chris Martin. They've been huge as far as me coming up to speed and, you know, bringing up speed on what the particular uh issues and challenges are that are immediately facing the town. But really, everyone's

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been very accommodating. I haven't quite met everyone yet, but I'm getting there. And um you know, for as far as the general public goes, I have a very uh very open door policy. And if you have any questions, absolutely feel free to come stop by town hall, walk into my

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office. You might have to get by Kathy first, but I've told her to be fairly lenient and and cooperative. Um, but yes, by by all means, just reach out, touch base. Even if it's to yell at me, and say I did something wrong, I'll I'm

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willing to to listen to that as well. >> Very good. Thank you. And I guess the last piece is to vote to go into executive session. >> Yeah. And unfortunately with executive session, I think with Mark's absence, correct? >> Yeah. Due to the nature of the executive session, we're going to probably just

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have to postpone it. >> So, we'll have to table it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, at this point, because Mark is not available to us tonight, we will have to table the executive session. Do I need to read it to make it official or? >> Uh, nope. >> Okay. So, we will be tableabling the executive session for tonight until Mark

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is available. >> You got anything else? >> Nope, I'm good. >> Okay, I guess we are all set then. I will take a motion to adjurnn. >> Make a motion to adjourn the meeting. I will second the motion. >> All in favor?

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>> I >> I >> Thank you folks.