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right, we officially start the meeting at 4:35. I mean, yes, 4:35. And we already approved the minutes from last meeting. So that's all set. So I am just going to turn over the
floor to you since you have brought us a new of many things. A new cost estimate, a new design. Yeah. So it's all yours. So in terms of I'll start with the design piece first cuz that's maybe a little bit simpler. So, in terms of what
you see here, the main change from what you've seen before is the civil plan. Um, this reorients the primary entry towards the north end of the building and reworking the parking at that lower lot.
So, you guys have copies of this in your providing a drive then and a drop off point at that current front entry point. So this just reduces your overall paving as well as significantly reduces the
amount of grading that needs to be done um related to the site. Is that what they say general notes that I can't read in part it it goes through the detail. So, um, the other piece that is folded into both
of these sets is looking at the pump house as not being its own independent building, but instead moving it to an addition off the side of the driveway, right? And reducing the bathrooms on the end of
the driveway and putting in single user bathrooms at that end. Otherwise, what you see in terms of the actual floor plan more or less reflects what we've already discussed in terms of the ve version of option C, which pulled
out essentially any extraneous interior partitions. Um, and reduced windows was the biggest two things from that option. Um, the other piece that we then instructed the estimator to do to build
into this related to just peeling out a few items as ad alternates so that we could see what those costs would be. One of which is the transaction counters at the entrance to each of your uh town departments,
which actually is a fairly in the scheme of things a fairly small number. That's the 23,000 Um, we also have included in here replacement of the boilers. The boilers you have, the initial assumption was
that we would continue to use what you have, but they they do have some lights still on them, but figured we should look at pricing for them because they are existing. And part of this as well is in terms of having a further discussion of the approach we
take to heating and cooling for the building. Whether we continue down the path we do now or do we potentially instead of doing BRF, do we start looking towards keeping closer to what the current system in the building is
right now, which is steam. um and losing the air conditioning or that's potentially a discussion to be had for which knowing and understanding the cost of the boilers would be important. Um
then the last piece in here the 246,000 is the cost for that additional underground storage tank requested by the fire department. um pulling that out as another alternate before we dive into any kind of detail
in terms of the estimate itself. Um one item I can say um from review with the team over the last uh day. Um on the site civil, we're going to verify some of the numbers cuz we think they're we
want to verify the assumptions and then also the quantities cuz we're thinking some of the numbers in terms of marking curbing stairs and ramps as well as how they're uh estimating storm water appear to be high. Um I do know from MP side of
things um some of the elements that we had cut and told them to cut um didn't make it into or out of the estimate rather. Um so there's approximately $200,000 worth of cut that should be built in
here as is without changing quote unquote from what was in the BE to option C. So that helps our starting point at least. Um, but as you can tell, and this is partly also where I'd like
Neil to weigh in too, in terms of where the final number wants to be, I know the number we've been talking about targeting is a roughly $4 million construction cost. So that being said,
we still need to look at how can we peel away when I was doing some calculations in terms of scope costs. So not including any of the contingency or the bond or the general conditions, the things that
are added on top of actual cost, we need to remove roughly about a million dollar from that top line item 4.6. six [Music] if you're following. Well, yeah, because all construction is
5.8 and then we have your feet, right? 5.8 is roughly where our construction plus all the soft cost one, right? Yes, that was the max. Yeah, that's what I thought. And we are
at Okay. So your design work and everything's in here. No, this this design contingency that's one of the things to think about is as we do further design and then this the last
estimate on this this percentage is going to go down cuz right now this 10% is held by the estimator to account for changes in the design as well as uncertainty factors. In an
ideal world, what ends up happening is this zeros out essentially with the last estimate and the rest of the estimate doesn't go up. But usually what ends up happening is they somewhat level out between themselves
based on the development and the further detail in the design. So any questions on any of that so far? So I missed the first part. Did you say you're taking away from the transaction counters? Is that what you said in the beginning?
Right now, we have it held as a separate number. So, that's the 23,000 that's held separately. So, if it goes back in, then we've got to pull that much more out to compensate.
Okay. So, I have some things that we've quickly thrown together that we can talk through in terms of ways and additional strategies to try to cut further. But before we do that, is everybody okay
with the site plan changes? Been flipping like at first much less pain and yeah. Um, and that's because you move the door
the entryway and I can't I don't understand how to read this, but there's dark shadow. Yeah, your shadow portion is the new painting. So, it's limited area. All right. So, hang on. Are we not using
the door at all by the kitchen? like where you know how we are in this from the standpoint of you are required to have two means of egress based on your size and number of people once you are required to have two means of egress both of those are required to
be accessible um you only need which is weird the way it's written because you only need one accessible entry but when you're required to have multiple means of ingress those need to be accessible as well Um, so that being said, we are
putting in a sidewalk that will get you up to that level to that entry in place of the original scheme actually lifted that whole drive and put additional parking up at that level. But if you remember that whole thing slopes off,
which was a whole lot more grading than just dealing with that northern lot. So both of them will be AC accessible. Yep. And we have a drop off that we're going to put at the upper which that will allow someone to potentially park
there if they need to. Um or at least have someone drop them off and then they can pull down to the lower lot. Um and then the primary. Yes. And it's going to be handicap accessible and steps both just handy. It's essentially sidewalk.
You'll come up that sidewalk will meet the level of the porch. Okay. So no steps. Okay. So, they can come in in either direction. Yes. But the primary entrance point and any of your signage
will be directed towards this one. Okay. Yeah. The far one. Which that'll be a question in the long run of what kind of signage or anything like that do we end up doing. [Music] All right. to direct people there.
[Music] Any questions before we go on to the option C with less windows? Yep. and no extraneous partitions and single use bathrooms. So this layout reflects what's in the
estimate which we know now that that estimate is still over where we need to fall. So a few we've working today Sean and I put together some tactics. I've also quizzed
the team in terms of areas where the numbers can be tweaked. How much are we over? Oh, 6 million. I mean, 600,000. We're over We need this number down. So,
the issue is the reality is all of these numbers below the 4.6 six you see below the first line are all based off of that first 4.6 million number because they're all percentage based off
of that number. So I did a quick Excel um uh calculation uh spreadsheet earlier today. In order for us to get that bottom line number down to about 4 million, we need to
somehow remove from the upper portion here. We need to remove somewhere in the vicinity of 1.2. So you're talking remove the 1 million from renovations pump housing site work hazardous. Correct. Okay.
Correct. So that's where the problem do 1 million right? You said to get rid of 1 million. Yeah. One somewhere between 1 and 1.2 I would say at minimum. That's a question
for you guys in terms of what how does that work? What does that look like? What is there? I guess we have to show and possibly have them come in for meeting cuz I know we've talked about that possibility in the past.
Yep. He also was talking about storm water runoff and things like that and that was one of the areas that he was talking about uh upgrading with some of the funds he has. So, I don't know how that all ties in together, what kind of number we're looking at
[Music] cuz I know based on the commentary from Gunley, the civil engineer, that they're going to be looking at the site numbers. they already are and they've pinpointed a couple areas that they feel are
already too high in terms of the length of curving and things of that nature. It's not going to be a huge number, but they're likely going to be able to trim in and of itself um back from that point. Um,
and then one of the bigger potential ways to skinny the site number is they were saying that in place of doing a full asphalt replacement in these areas that
we're reworking, do you instead do a shipment overlay? Which granted that would be a question ultimately of is this something that's done by the DPW or not and how does that get he'd have to sum it up still have to
resurface. Yeah. So I want to speak I shouldn't be speaking right. Well I'm resurfacing just to have all cards on the table. As you probably know if you've dealt with it whether in the town seen it done or with your own
driveways. it doesn't last as long. So, it only is really saving you the upfront cost. Um, so let's start with the two kind of big ticket items that we've mentioned a
couple of these before. Um, one, let's see how I go. So, one item that we can we can pass this down and share. I think I've got a couple copies
that we can talk about is the existing ceilings in those classrooms are sloped. And originally we had kept that in the design as one a feature in the building
and two so you could maximize your window opening and natural light coming into the space. One option because it will have a multitude of domino effects in terms of
cost is do we just flatten the whole ceiling out because what that allows you to do is then we don't need to use the pendant light any kind of pendant light fixture. We can go to a 2 by two light fixture which there are attractive 2 by 2 layins
that are far cheaper than any kind of pendant you can get. In doing this, we have two options shown here. I'll tell you right now, the red option is going to be your cheaper option.
The blue would preserve the height of the windows that you have and you'd have the three horizontal bays of the window. But we found in our previous value engineering exercises that we' done
earlier in the year that the infill of the wall is cheaper than the window. So another option would be remove the top bay of the window. Just make your window shorter and just do window and fill up
above and do the window below. This will still yield you a window head that's up at like 8 ft. So, it's still a fairly sizable window. It's just not as large as those current windows are.
Alternatively, what I've got shown on the blue is you'd put a sophet in so that you could raise the edge. Again, this would allow you to use the same sort of light fixture and then keep the taller windows at the edge. Is there any benefit of keeping the
taller windows? Really, the primary one is daylighting. That's it. Well, you're going to cut it off. Yeah. Go into that soft start. Cut off some of that. It's going to cut off some of it regardless. So, might as well cuz that's And this is why I'm saying
this is going to be by far the more cost effective because once you get into this, it's going to cut off some of that light. Anyways, very likely you're going to get into issues of how do we put our light fixtures in here? Do they cause issues?
as well as do you end up needing an additional sprinkler head because of the offset? Option B sounds like it's the answer. It makes the most sense. You're going to lose that. Basically, that's portion of it anyway. Right. Right.
And because of the gap for fire reasons, you're going to have to put something here because of the chat. Exactly. At least keep it a flat plane. [Music] is gender gender thinking hard. [Music]
[Music] No, I agree with that. All right. Do you know what that cost savings is? We don't know yet. We just came up with this today. So Sean Sean and I felt spent most of
the morning kind of figuring out how can we peel the onion further. Um okay so some other things which you can use the plans you have in front of you to kind of refer to in general. Um,
generally speaking, every door we have in this building is on average $2,000. So, that's one of the things we're looking at is
where can we and how can we reduce total number of doors in terms of um whether we can get away with now that we're smaller area. um we not needing to subdivide the corridor as we had before
to pull out any extraneous doors that we don't really need for a code or security or departmental reason. Um outside of the door subdividing the corridor really the primary other one we can potentially remove is from the plan review in the
building department um that had two doors, one for access from the front and one for the back. They really could have just one door. And the reality is that'll get them more usable space in that room in the first place. I'm sorry, which office? Um, that's in plan review 153. If you
can see it, go down. There it is. Yeah. Yep. Two doors. So, we can take out one of the two doors. They can still get into the space. Um, gives them a little bit more usable space.
Reduces our overall number of doors. Um, we were also looking at potentially, you know, how we have that sort of existing al cove where there were exits from the two classrooms in
the center. There's a question out there. We were looking at it back and forth, arguing in the office of we're not planning on using money to remove the stairs, so should we just keep the doors there?
they act as a secondary means of egress from those spaces. So we think logically it makes some sense to keep those doors in, but at the same time you could pull them from scope and just infill the door opening. But then what are we doing with
the stair? And is that a concern having a stair leading to nowhere? Where are you Tim? The doors. So you see at the center the kindergarten class center left. Oh, gotcha. Those two doors. Yep. So in
in my head thinking especially the meeting room all that if you use that as a public thing my my thought process that is a good exit for if the occup well and that's essentially where I think does it make sense here potentially
it's not a huge amount of money so it's more something that we bandied about a little bit internally of if you had to we do have some windows that we still had in the file storage room. Which
is there any need whatsoever to have windows in the file storage? No, we figured no security. So those would be infill. Yep. Um so that was something we noted today. Um yep, there's just one window there.
Yeah, there's one in the file storage. In file storage, there's three doors. Am I right in that? So you have one for access from the um town clerk. Question would be to your point, do we
really need access between the town clerk storage and the general archive space? I would say no. I would think the town clerk wouldn't even want general access because town clerk is they have their own up there with police in terms of
Are we looking at 145A? Yes. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, that potentially I don't even think that's because I think only the clerk should have access to their storage. Yep. I think that's a good idea, too. Just
Yep. [Music] Then while we're Did you give me that? No, you didn't. [Music] So, we had talked a little bit about
this at the last meeting we were uh we had is you technically can fulfill the needs of the occupancy that you're going to have in this north wing just with the bathrooms we have in
the lower corner. One thought I had, we went back and forth on this internally, is the reality, as we all know, is you're going to spend less to do it now than if you do it later. But it's always a question
of can you do it at all in the first place. It's kind of where we are right now is the two unisex bathrooms. One thought in my mind, I can see a couple ways of dealing with that. One would be those bathrooms are
an alternate and we figure out where they go in terms of priority. Um, and you can potentially prep the room or the space by putting a wall in and it can be used as storage in the short term if you don't do it. But
you don't need those bathrooms day one. So, you're talking about the ones the two 146 and 14 across the main entrance. Okay. Which which is right from the door. Yeah. They're they're a great position for them to be.
So, where would the alternate bathroom? You have the group bathroom. Oh, I see. And because still do change the scope. We can This is this way. Okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. So we don't have to. So you spend the
money on these single-use unisex ones right now. And we're trying to think forward, but we don't have the money. We don't have the money. I mean, I guess we it could be an alternate we could find out and add on. So basically what you're saying cuz the
plumbing wouldn't be difficult anyway because you need plumbing there cuz the sprinkler room's there. Well, and that's the thing is that's where I struggle with that is because like I said, now's the time to do it if you're going to do it cuz everything's because it's going to it's going to cost
the least it will ever cost. Will those be like family size bathrooms where people can change diapers and stuff like that? I think they need to have it. Well, is that more of a wheelchair accessible than they are currently wheelchair accessible, but that
at the other end? Oh, the other end. They're also accessible. Yeah. Okay. Both both this and the single. Oh, now I see it. Okay. Are accessible. Okay. Well, yeah. Um I would say let's find out how much they cost and
determine if if we still have to keep cutting. That'll be probably the last thing to cut. Okay. um balance that we have currently and it's more to match up with what you have at the entrances.
So at the current main entrance and then at the north entrance you have aluminum storefront systems or comparable um currently the two of them together right now they're coming back as a cost of about $50,000. So
for aluminum store glass doors. So one thought there is just go to a insulated hall metal painted. We can put a half glass vision panel in it. It's
still going to be far less than 50,000 to do that for the tube. And where's that going to be? So that's at your two underneath those little entrance doors. So instead of having that glass up and down, you're just thinking more metal and just just put an entryway. I mean a
door window. I think that's easy. Yep. Next. Okay. Sounds good. Um I like the idea. So insulated metal and you insert a Yeah, we'll put a we'll put a glass in it so you'll still be able to see through.
I can't front door. I can't. I know you can't. The existing one is non-compliant. um in the bathrooms um it's it's not going to be huge savings. So um I did talk with our interior designer in terms of the
bathroom partitions. Um right now we're holding a phenolic panel which is generally what we recommend just because it will hold up better over time in terms of people trying to write on it, scratch it, so on and so forth. Um, if
you're looking for what is the most cost effective in terms of just starting cost, then a painted steel typically is your least cost. Um, and that is roughly a 20% reduction. Um, which based on the
numbers I have right now would would save us about 2,000 there. So, we're we're picking it's death by a thousand cuts. Um, otherwise what do you use? Uh, phenolic. Oh, phenolic.
Do you know what that is, Lyn? It's like a resin plastic essent. That way the acoustics are better in there. That is very true. Might be necessary. Painted steel which echoes.
Um, in terms of finishes, one of the things that we'll do is they have cost per square foot in here. Um, granted, this is inclusive of labor. Um, but we're going to work with
our interior designer to pick durable obviously uh finishes for you between the carpet and the VCT. Um, but we can pick essentially and we'll work with you and give you some samples and so on, but
to get what's going to be the most cost effective for us cuz that's going to also have some bang for buck just because we've got a lot of square footage we're covering with flooring and we've got 12,000 square feet. So that'll add up even if it's an incremental
change um just by picking the right manufacturers to use in our specs. Um, okay. The last
piece from an architectural standpoint that we had earmarked was to reopen which I know we've talked about it a few times the discussion on do we or don't we
shift. So there are two versions of this. That's um they're slightly different. Yeah. Okay. So, we'll put those two down there and we'll put two here. Two here. Um revisit
the shifting the TA out of the corner. Slightly different that we between the two. Um, so the one that you see, which of course you both had it oriented in different ways, so we'll do this
to make it easier for me. Um, so well, they actually have a a name here. So, um, so SK103 is a revised one from what we had before. This reorients it so then the TA
ends up closest to our new entry point. That's the main thing and then shuffles the rest of the spaces accordingly. Um, from there so it puts it where the clerk used to be moves the town clerk away. 101 was the
original scheme that we had looked at. I thought 103 was the original scheme and 101. No, 101 was the one way that we looked at way back when the first one in February. That's the date. Yep. That's the one we looked at long time ago.
And then we moved it here for privacy. Yep. We moved it there for privacy and kept it there for privacy. Um, right. Because this is where it started and then we were looking at how can we save money. So part of the thought was do we remove this corner from scope
and then when we looked at it back in I was March. Yeah. It wasn't a lot of money but maybe it's enough money now. Well, and just using and granted we'd have to get more definitive about it, but just using their cost per square foot number and I
even goose it downwards and do that square footage times I think I used 250. We're looking at somewhere between 250 300,000. Now granted, is that on the high side? Maybe. But it's
still in the potentially in at least the hundred $150,000 range if not higher. So it's potentially a large chunk of money. H
[Music] All right. My brain is just not functioning at the moment. So this was what we originally drafted, right, with the clerk here and TA there. And basically what we're doing now is moving
moving the TA towards the entry pushing pushing down down. So can you explain to me the cost savings on that? So the primary cost savings in doing something like this is not doing any
renovation here. That's what's giving you your cost savings. Okay. cuz we're reducing your overall area of renovation by this much which I think I think 1200 ft 1385 H
I think we should do it all cost to try to keep the TA down the other yeah I don't think the TA should be in this corner they have the most important job And that's the most trafficked area because more people will come in. Yeah. But then you Okay. So
then push them here. Yeah. At the end of the hallway. Mhm. There. So if the TA stays down here, she's right here by the way. I know she's put Do you have any you
do you have any thoughts? Do you have any thoughts? Because I know that Chris was really big on privacy. That's why we pushed him out here. Well, you definitely need privacy, especially with confidential issues. So, so having you near the break room would not be ideal. Well, we can always door by the front door,
right? So, this wouldn't work. Y, but we can always slide other things around. Do you where the meeting rooms are across in 101 would I assume you'd also want to
try to push those away from you as well. Mhm. Okay. So we could look at a hybridized version of this that essentially take that layout from the
other side. Move the vault down here. The vault here. We had moved the vault in that scheme down. Move the vault down here across from you instead of the meeting room. The meeting rooms where the was.
So basically just flip-flop them. Yeah, mirror it almost. So, well, so the currently the vault's here in this one in this version. So, currently in this version, yeah, we'd have to move the break room,
move the vault across and just kind of shuffle the rest of this through. Could we May I? Yes. Before we get into shuffling, get this stuff around.
what this pump house I still don't understand why we're putting up a building even though it's an addition the source comes in over here we're removing there's plenty of room in there to do what you need to do with we're removing tanks we're going to be
upgrading tanks I don't understand why we're I'd like to know what the cost of that is if a renovation for a for this space over here is 150 that's got to three times that they have the pump house in
here, the addition itself, not including the actual equipment as 60,000. How how can you put up a building an addition for 60 and not be able to renovate this area for under 150? I I
know part of the concern and why this is the approach we were taking not only in terms of the addition but even previously when we were in a separate building was based on where the tanks were elevationwise
and designing towards a vertical turbine as opposed to a horizontal turbine. That was one of the major driving forces. But the source comes in over here. The source is here
under the XTA's under the T. Yeah. The water. Yeah. And yet we're trying to bring it back over here and put a This doesn't drive with me. [Music] And I doubt very much they're going to
put on this type of an addition for $60,000. verify what they got. You got you got a Well, what I'm wondering is did they carry that cost in terms of like the footings elsewhere
and not under that number? I don't know. I I just think the page the source is right here fire suppression, right? Yeah. [Music] system with foundations and slab. Yeah, they are holding it.
And like I said, I we've only really been reviewing this for the past 24 hours, so we haven't I'm not picking on you. I'm just I know. I just want to make sure you know that we haven't really been able to put in a ton of time on it yet. Um,
other than the initial reaction, [Music] where is the where is the pump house even in here? I'm not seeing it's behind the um single the single person bathroom. Oh, she means I mean the numbers. Yeah, they don't appear to have a
breakdown other than the front page. So, I obviously need to have a call with the estimator to talk through their assumptions on it regardless just cuz I don't see a breakout. You know,
from my perspective, too, if you're looking to cut costs, which we are, you're doing, we're talking about flooring. Mhm. Don't put any flooring on at all. Republic polish should be done. You can
always put something on on the floor down the road, right? And that is something that we've been talking about to do a polished concrete versus versus sacrificing versus sacrificing sacrificing
doors. Something that you don't want to spend, you know, 50,000 on crappy doors where where just pop doing something like this. You can always go back and and and
put carpeting or DCT on it later. When I say polishing it, I'm talking about Home Depot quality for now. It's perfectly fine to do that. It's not that I'm agreeing that that we should do that, but if you're going to cut cut things that you can go back and and redo later.
So, you're saying they could cut carpet cut the You said the whole entire floor, right? What? What are you expecting for ceiling? Is it architectural grade? We haven't finalized that. So, we can obviously go
in with just get get a good grid, but you can go in with a low grade tile. Yeah. No, I could see that's and that's kind of where my mind is in terms of finishes. I like your path of let's gear
towards get good quality for the things where it's likely going to remain i.e. the grid and let's get a placeholder that you can upgrade on the flooring. Page four.
I have page seven for finishes. And the and the delta, how much of that delta, what do we have built in there for contingency? I know Neil had like another 100,000 in there. Right now, they have a
contingency of 450, which is healthy. That's almost half our delta. Yeah. So, yeah. [Music] And and I know things come up, change
orders and so on and so forth. [Music] But rather than do things that we we're going to regret down the road, I'd rather go back to the town and say, "We need another half. and do something that's not going to last. I I What's that?
That's not going to last. Right. That's Well, you know, there's there's a Right. Sorry. I get it. No. And I agree. And And I even had that in the back of my mind cuz I just wanted to come prepared to this meeting today
to be able to show you one, we're kind of close, but we're kind of far at the same time. And the reality of the matter is you kind of have two choices. You or three rather. You get a minimal amount
of money additional. That's one as Jim suggested. Another would be cut in terms of overall area that you're approaching and still produce the same general quality. or you you cut
wholesale swath little pieces here there and everywhere. Those are kind of the choices that you have in terms of approach. Yeah. I I think we need to look hard at that pump house. Y the
the area here for the uh administrative offices for the the town administrator that should stay. Mhm. You like it down there? And and you know when you're looking at ceiling I'm not saying we put you know
lousy ceiling height. No and I'm not either. But there's there's grades that go anywhere from a buck a square foot all the way up. There are crazy ones which we've seen. So, and we're not we're thinking we would do one that will give you acoustical
performance cuz the reality is, especially if we go down the road of a polished concrete, you're going to want that's really what's going to give you your bang for your buck in terms of sound is the ceiling. So, we're still going to want to do something that's fairly robust from a sound absorption
standpoint, but we do this all the time. And we have tiles that we've used where they look fine and but they don't cost anywhere near the fancy. You got a decent grid. You can pop them
out later down the road if you need it after. Yeah. You're going to be replacing it over a period of time anyway, right? [Music] So then are we going to keep the TA down
in the second hallway? I think so. I think it's I think too even though that could potentially I mean I think Tammy should have some say where she going to be. I think it's just the nature of the game. If we put the TA down by the main entrance,
every single person's going to stop. That's true. It's just it's chaotic. It'd be chaotic. It wouldn't anything. Nothing. Well, and even the other one, it's it reduces that issue in the current scheme of things because
of having the north end be your main entrance, but it's not necessarily future proof if you if and when you renovate that other side of the building. Well, plus you're taking away square footage from somewhere else, right? Right.
Yeah. Think we do everything we can to leave that there. Yeah. And and that again that horse here back to that pump house. [Music] So the way it's set up now, we bring the water from where we're at
down to the pump house and all the way back and then all the way back again for any future. Well, the water, as I understand it, and granted I'm the layman talking about it, but I can verify this. Well, we're the experts.
Yes. Well, I know. And and the reality is if we need to have a subcommittee meeting with the uh engineer, we can um which may not be a bad idea once I get more clarity from them. But I do know that generally speaking, the water that
you have, as I understand it, is going to fill and going out to your tanks, which are still across in the field essentially. They're going to that point. Then those are feeding to this point at the end of the north
building. So it's closer from that standpoint. Well, yeah. Just cuz now you mentioned that way. I was just trying to think what you're trying to think of as a water source. So if our water sources here is going out to these tanks now and then these tanks to here to here, we're still double tracking.
Yeah. And and the tanks are located where they are based on trying to get some elevation to them so that we don't have to do everything. But they're in the ground. They're they're vertical. They're
going to be in the ground, I guess, is the way to put it, cuz we're going to build up over them with dirt. Wait, how much is put in a well? You just put one in. I did put one in, but I know what I
paid. You understand where I'm going with this? I don't know if you can grasp I'm going with this. Are you asking me to put a well in close on? Yeah. To supply that. Mhm. No. You know what I'm trying to say? I just didn't know if that would be because it's not a it's not a a demand well. It's a It's a supply. Well, it's
not like it's just my question. I just didn't know if it would be cheap. Those tanks will probably be filled and hopefully never used. Ideas. That's exactly Oh, so like once a bridge, correct? Okay. Okay. Okay. Like a sister and tank. Yeah.
Yeah. The diesel pump kicks on it sucks from there. Right. Right. Yeah. No. I was just trying to cuz I was picturing the tanks down, you know, when we're down there and how it gets filled and because the bladder that's that's for the water supply, right? And so in my head, that's what I
was trying to think of. If we if that was something like that, it would make more sense to put a a well there to supply that. But that's just a holding tank. Now I get it. Just like muds and rinse. All right, I got it. I was right there with you. I was like cuz I was thinking if I had to keep
trickling in and supplying it. I'm like in my head I was like, why don't we just put another well? Cuz a well is only, you know, less than $20,000 for a well depending how deep you have to go to supply that. But once it's full, it's just Yeah. It's more some level of maintenance. That's it.
But once it's full, it's full for the most part unless you use it. All right. Now I get it. So, but to your point, can we still find a way to get that pump
inside [Music] this pump? Yeah. Yeah. which I know part of the discussion was initially which I can revisit with them
when we were looking at not needing those restrooms. That was my initial suggestion to them knowing they wanted to be close to the tanks and we just put it in where the restrooms are. Well, the pump is only going to be
louder when it's activated. It's only activated when you have the sprinkler system. Correct. So, it's not going to be loud throughout the building. So, why doesn't it just go in the basement, right? Cuz no one's going to care if they're loud. Well, that's my that's my it's only going to be activated when a sprinkler system goes off to pump to make sure you
have the pressure for the water to go through is like, why don't we just put in the basement? We've been in the basement. Why can't it just go in there? Instead of creating this and it'll be right next to your water source. [Music] Yeah. Well, I think it's still going to have to We're still going to need that.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But then we don't need this. We don't need that. Exactly. And it's just piping, right? Yeah. Piping is a lot cheaper than Oh, absolutely. a whole building. Well, [Music] I would assume that there's somewhat of
a downward grade somewhere. Yeah. The issue definely. Well, the issue with going into the basement is you're definitely moving into a horizontal system. So that's going to be the primary difference. Yeah. Which I'll have to verify
why that was that we moved away from it. You're right. There was a reason. There was a reason we moved. I can't remember what it was. It was I thought it was the ledge. It had to do with elevation. I know it was that was a part of the question. So, I just need to have them refresh my
memory and then I can refresh the group's memory. Why we did that? Because otherwise a ver if we still have to do a vertical turbine, we're going to want it in a position where you have clear access
from the roof, which again, if I can get them to go inside that bathroom, even if my argument You'd be bet still better off putting that inside the building. I agree. And sliding everybody down. I agree.
So, yeah. I want to find out and get as granular as I can cuz this isn't fully baked. This is just as far along as I could get it to get to the estimator and
get a price. So, I want to get some hard facts now of if we say we have to put it inside the building in this corner, is it is it impossible or why is it a
challenge? Let's have that discussion. Then maybe we just put one unisex bathroom there. Yeah. If it's a room area thing we should start. Yeah. Right. A family unisex. Exactly. Yeah, too, right?
area issue. Yeah. Yeah. So, that'll be on our docket for our next team meeting. [Music] So, we don't really know yet how much
savings all those changes potentially are yet. No. We still have a lot of cutting to do, though. They're not that they're not close to a million. Another little tip is just like we're just cutting little pieces off.
Well, this may be between the windows and the ceilings. And yeah, this this is likely going to be a good chunk of money. Cutting out that third of the window. Cutting out the third of the window. Replacing that with infill as well as reducing your light fixture
cost cuz there's $100,000 of light fixtures in here. So instead of having that, we're just going to have Yeah. Yeah. So you're still going to have a decent amount of that money. It's not going to disappear, but we can at least cut a
proportion of it, which we're in contact with our lighting rep to have that conversation and talk through what the fixture is. The fixture that we've shown there is one that we are actually using in um bank
headquarters building. Um, and is I think it's like $60 a unit, which for a 2 by two is not bad at all. And you can see it it looks fairly nice. Yep. Simple. Does the job.
Yeah. Not everything has to be as fancy as it is around here. Somebody's not somebody in the middle of that table designed some of this stuff. So that that's part of what we're doing is gathering and and reaching out to our
material reps just to have those conversations of let's rethink this. We want knowing it's a town, we want something that's highly durable and going to last and require the least amount of maintenance and look. Yeah.
And I'm going back to the floor and thinking about it. I kind of like the look of the polished concrete. It's industrial looking, but yeah, you know, I kind of like maybe they'll put any ceiling tiles in and make it an industrial ceiling, too. I kind of like that, but that's actually a lot of money.
You then have the issue of your back and light fixtures. Yeah. Acoustics. As far as the acoustics go, it's not going to be any different than if you put BCP on. Right. I'm not talking about the flooring. We're talking about the ceiling. the floor.
Get a few scatters if that's what they want, you know. Well, and once you put furniture and you have human bodies in absorb as much sound as just about anything else in the room more furniture you can get us most
cases. None that I let me put it this way. None that I would suggest you want. Okay, we we are doing more renovations, but that was the nice furniture. Nice. Well, always good to get some free stuff.
Yeah. Um, let me think. Yeah. No, everything else is pretty probably older than the stuff you already have. You don't want it. Don't put it that way. I think, like you say, I think we got to come back and see where we're at with this these cuts.
Yeah. So, I was just trying to follow on this. Come in lower, too. Okay. So, here is the this yellow spot. Is that where you're saying the town administrator is in? So, yes, because I'm reading it says administrative assistant accounting. Well, and essentially
an admin the piece of that those two plans. Yeah. That I may not have reminded you is everything squeezes and gets smaller and essentially you're in open office cubicles at that point to make that plan
work. If we're trying to make this work, like you said, because we said we're going to keep this. So, this basically comes here, right? Yeah. Which is So, this can shift down and this can shift in. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There's room to make some shifts.
Yes. Okay. I was just trying in my head, I'm like, well, where are they? What are we pulling away? And I was just trying to figure out. So this comes this way and then this can come shift down which brings us back to J. Would you say put in the pump house in the bathroom sucking it in? I was just trying to figure out and then
or not putting it there and putting it in the basement, right? Mhm. Again, I think one family bathroom's good. You know, in general, one one should be good. Yeah, cuz we have these bathrooms down here. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I agree that if we can
get one at the entry like that, it's a perfect location, right? All right. Any other questions, guys, on this stuff? Tim has his work cut out for him. Oh, yes. We're on it. Oh, the only thing I have for Tim. Yeah.
You want to change us to math? Austin shoes. I was hoping maybe that wasn't our bill in it. Maybe if you brought the right one up, we'd be right in the ballpark, you know. I can't tell you how many times I've corrected people. Yeah,
I didn't catch it this time. So, thank you. I saw too many. There you go. So, um moving on to old business. Tim, I have the um signed amendment. Yes.
[Music] Yes. Do you have the bill you were asking me about? Can I see it for a minute? The bill [Music] staring at it's here. Just give me a second. No worries.
So all the stuff, all these decisions we're making, everything is could also be changed if we end up getting loans for certain honey grants for certain areas too. Well, that's that's the thing. But we have to work as though we don't have it. Some of these changes if we could make them correctly
and you find additional funding. It's easy. Yes. I paid I did this um on Friday. So I remember 1457 in this one. Yep. I remember doing that. Yep. I did
that. I have I have one of my come to me to complain. Where is it yet? And so we are all up to um your page. Okay. As a friend. Yeah. Like I was telling Kevin, um,
county hasn't complained to me asking the check is yet, so I'm good. I thought you might just be nice. Uh, that's I signed that to them. You don't need to worry about that. Okay.
Cuz now that I'm authorized, I can do my sub contract to him. Oh, did you want me to have them? Yeah. I want you to have a whole one. Yes, please. Okay. Um, and then dinner. This is dinner. [Music]
I'm still here for another 12 hours. So, this is a snack. Breakfast snack. So, um, before I adjourn the meeting, let's figure out what are we going to meet next Tuesday? Do you think we need a subcommittee meeting before the whole group meets again? It might make sense to do that and we
can talk about where we land on the um pump [Music] and then I can try to get um Robert Hall into that meeting. So then for the whole committee we probably won't meet again till 29th. Is
that okay for you guys? Mhm. Tuesday, July 29th. 4:30 a.m. Sure. I might not be here. I'm not sure though. I'll do my best. I can make no promises. Seems to always happen on a Tuesday. Oh.
[Music] Oh, dial my phone on the way home or something to you know. So then 29th to 4:30. You got it, Jim. Okay. Now, we discussed the other day about should we be holding these
meetings here? Oh, yeah. That's my next opposed to Jim thought it was a good idea to start holding the meetings at Westwood School. We have an issue. We could actually see it. I like that. The only issue with that is it'll be hot. Yep. But
it's not that bad. Bring a big fan. The thing about that is if somebody wants to come in the public, it's not open to the public. No. Yeah. Probably.
Hey, no comments from the guests. Oh, you journed yet? So, I don't know. I mean, if there's a real issue that we'd have to walk down open to the public, you have to make it open to the public. So, why couldn't we
meet in one room and make that open in the cafeteria? Nobody's showing up anyway. Well, it's not like we got 50 people showing up. However, I think if we do move to West Street, we will have curious curious
liability. It'll Wayne alone. That's a problem. I'm sure Ryan will say no. I think he would say no, too. We can check. Um, doesn't hurt to check. If you don't ask, he's going to say no. My best. Yeah, I think he's going to say no, too,
cuz last month I asked the month before puts us at risk. I I know that Gloria wants to get in there. anyone ever hurts themselves or Gloria. Well, because know the seniors want to see, they want to understand, but that's not even a part of the issue anymore because there's no senior
center. But still people trying to wander around the building. They can't be wandering around. Well, that's part of the So, I guess somebody needs to I need someone to explain that risk part to me. We're already insuring the building. What is What are we insuring the building against? The building is not currently being used.
So, it's no occupancy. So, it is a no occupancy, right? Yes, that's right. As soon as we start doing all this renovation, I have to contact my insurance and let them know this is going on. Yep. I wasn't sure how we had the problem. We're going to get trailer on site. I mean I mean
if our construction meeting is in October, it won't start. No, we can't meet then because now it's being now it's on a construction construction site. Well, granted, they should have whether it's a portion of the building or they have a trailer, one or the other. And typically,
we'll have to work through the front end piece in terms of what we want to require of them, but they'll typically have meeting space as part of their office arrangement. Now, whether it's in a trailer or we have them use a portion of the building, which is something
we've done in the past, but that might end up running a foul. A subcommittee meeting doesn't necessarily have to be open to the public. Oh, it's not cuz we don't have a quorum. Yeah. As long as you don't have a quorum, you're probably So, your subcommittee can meet, but we we'll talk about that when we're
going to meet for the engineers. So, then our next meeting will be here at 4:30. Yep. Already booked. Okay. They're booked. Every Tuesday is booked until maternity be right now. Seriously, just that way we have it. It was ours. It's easier to cancel.
Right. Great. So, um I'll entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting. Motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor. I thank you.