##VIDEO ID:OGFqPxyfJqw## [Music] Jen do you want one of these just kind of slide across so uh basically you want to get back together since we haven't seen each other since before Christmas and find out what's going on with the project and the cost um so I'm going to hand the floor over to Tim yep uh on the agenda first I put down the update on um the cost no I didn't put that first I'm sorry I put building inspector meeting first that first which I figured that this plan works well for that to talk through it um so I met with uh Damian the building inspector on Friday um just to run through our approach for from a code perspective as well as make sure there's no concerns in terms of our general approach to what we're doing in the building itself um the biggest question um was to run through the approach to how we' uh negotiate the unoccupied portion of the building which is going to essentially remain as an educational use and not be sprinklered versus the remainder of the bu part of that effort and what I have to do and work through is as this is a change of use moving from educational to business and assembly um it triggers certain um requirements in building code one of which is to reassess whether or not we hit the allowable area and the allow height for the building the allowable height for the building we're fine there's no problems whatsoever there the allowable area if you were to build this building today it's not permitted period with uh without sprinklers so the difficulty that I the building me the unused portion the entire okay further we knew this already right however the unused portion is an issue if we don't sprinkler it now go out don't get too worried yet CU I'll go into detail about that because the way this works is it's a mixed use separated building which means that we have fire separations between each of the individual uses that allows us then to look at the proportion between the allowable versus the actual and as long as the ratio ultimately is below one we're good the problem is because we can't call the entire building sprinklered we have to use the non-s sprinklered numbers at this building for phase one which the allowable areas for a non-s sprinkler building are lower than a sprinkler building just makes sense because a sprood building the sa so because of not sprinkling the unoccupied portion building over [Music] here we've got to use the Lesser numb so from that standpoint the numbers don't work as it currently stands the good news is in the future it will work and you'll be well within your thresholds and within the ratios talking through that with Damian he's on board with that he understands that and that as he put it we are making the building better we are making the building safer and we are improving the situation as it currently stands we're still going to have a technically by the letter noncode compliant building at the end of this initial phase okay so the approach we need to take is what is typically called a compliance alternative and and essentially he gave me a list of things that we're going to have to do many of which we were already assuming in terms of how we negotiating the separation and the safety for the two sides of the building so that included making sure the emergency alarm or fire fire alarm essentially is up to-date and functional in the unoccupied portion of building provided 2hour separation between the two sides what what is that two hour SE so what that means so a 2our separation you have a wall if you have a fire on one side it should take two hours before that fire goes to the other side that's the basic way to understand it yeah so the good news is we already typically have Mas construction throughout so we're really only closing off some small areas where we've got a bridge the G between them can you just refresh my M me for a second y because I was looking at Old minutes today and I could sworn at least our original fire supression system quot did do the whole building there was there were sprinklers certain type of sprinklers up in the unoccupied I think they were called was a vertical probably a RIS pump and a pendant oh and um from our initial in your first quote quotes that we brought to the um Town yeah I can um I can send that to you because that would definitely change the situation if we were to sprink side at this point right now which he's okay with we're just providing capacity and ariser connection so that you can in the future spr better I'm okay with that if it's cheaper and it's open and it's been but okay then and and so there more things on the list which granted a lot of these things you have to do regardless so it's making sure we have sufficient fire extinguishers in that unoccupied portion something you'd have to do regardless um making sure you have emergency erress lighting and exit signs again if you were using that space in any way you need it anyways and then um the last piece is that that space truly would have to be unoccupied mean we're not using it for storage it's truly unoccupied that's what I figured I thought we talk about though like putting the fire through the whole building didn't we that's what I just said yeah that was the plan we I thought we were the plan was to see what the price was because mil do the whole building now right and depending what the price if it was too high we were just putting risers in and I thought we were putting risers in with heat detector these post I have that before and it could be it could be then we wind up there and we sprinkle the whole building as long as the budget allows right if the budget doesn't allow then that's really low hanging fruit to pull out and defer to Future right requirements it's the most expensive things are already be done yeah it literally just pipes left and yeah so that's kind of the big ticket question in terms of how we approach because if we don't it's achievable it we also need buying which that's part of the question I wanted to bring to the group of who should I be talking with the fire department which granted to your point may want to be something we hold off on until we have numbers if we have that that conversation well it's achievable if we don't use the upstairs as storage no intention to using it as right so if it's truly on Oni that's really the idea is it it's unoccupied you have access obviously for maintenance issues or if an alarm goes off or if you have a trouble or anything like that um you can go in for maintenance purposes but you're not actively using those SP it's the endet um so that's essentially how that ends up working out to make this work per phase one yes now this information is coming from you this is based on doing a code review as well as then reviewing it with deian building official here so we are protect the code I did the code so and so this is based on looking purely at the the code running the numbers seeing where the numbers land like I said if the entire building is fire protected the numbers will if we choose to not do the one side the numbers don't work and we just need to do this compliance alternative method which again all of the requirements we're generally doing inways okay but if when our cost estimation comes back so right now the way that we have it structured and I assume it must have been a miscommunication at some point we have fire protection on only the left hand side that's what's going to be the estimate with capacity and the risers for on the yes I don't think pry I just I'm thinking back to what we originally wanted y then what we came to was the risers right so if the not none would everybody um if the number ends up quite a bit lower than where we have then we can reinvest extending it so the part we're talking about Tim Does it include like where the P of COA is like the cafeteria do it include that as well yes so the the entire renovated area so let me try to figure out a way to do this quickly so essentially this whole Zone that did not work but this whole Zone ended up being a m so basically anything above the stairs or downstairs corre Y and you say Rises what do you actually read by that a pip it's a pipe connection so essentially it's got the te's and such in it already so all you have to do is uncap it and put the new pipe in and just in charge Sy we not going to treat that say that again they pric this up going to treat that to put the other to Spring over the other side currently no what so the estimator is only spr the occupied correct granted like I said the Capac ex all four the other the only alternate we have right now is for the windows on portion if we if we can figure out disc each we'll be able to figure inrease we need to increase just need to run connected so it just Carri right I think that'll get you close enough yeah approximately there based on the numbers once we get it okay um the second piece I discussed what had to do with plumbing PS for restrooms which we don't have a lot of real estate to go crazy with bathrooms um so the approach right now we have built into the plan essentially whether you divide it evenly nine fixtures for men nine for female or you have 10 and eight which the way that the building code Works they're typically more on the female side in terms of how the calculations work um however this one this bit okay the issue is doing a pure calculation on numbers which granted when you use the code for calculating occupancy of how many people you expect in the space in most cases it's more people than you're going to um and in our case in many cases when you're full on the assembly side you're likely not going to be full or maybe not even on the business side so that's part of what I discussed with d the building inspector because this is approach that I've often taken with existing buildings where you can work backwards from your number of fixtures to produce how many people can you have maximum of in the space so right now if we based on a calculated occupancy we could have 366 people for some in the building concurrent with business that would mean we're required to have 12 uh water closets for women and eight for men we have the eight for the men we're missing two on the fem so if we assume non-concurrent use however and we work backwards from the eight fixtures or nine fixtures rather um if we sub divide the fixture account we have in half you can have up to a maximum of 500 people for assembly use when none of the other portions of the building are in use so if you don't have outside of office hours essentially you can have 500 people if you have concurrent use working backwards and looking at a reduction in assembly you're reduced down to 290 people so the question is is that workable is that an issue um that's what I was trying to before me marij wasn't 500 people but um Seminary was now the Seminary had l oh yeah so to total is 500 sorry right tot is again so but if we're doing an assembly and we're holding so if you have the business the offices are open functional your maximum in assembly is 290 if the offices are closed your maximum is 500 for assembly but so so occupancy for assembly you have 366 that's what it calculates without doing any sort of so the way that code works is it stipulates for assembly if you're non-fixed tables and chairs which I assume is most of the time what we're going to have it's 15 Square F feet for person is how you elate so take being purely just the area we have associated with the assembly spaces so our multi-purpose rooms in the gymnasium and our meeting rooms here we're sitting at 366 people okay I was thinking something different go back to your yep when you say assembly we're thinking about town meeting we're not going to have town meeting in the cafeteria town be pushed to a second Department we're not right now okay so I meting purposes I'm just in confusion 500 for sub right if outside of office hours outside of office yes which means there's 210 for office hours 290 290 for office hours because 210 people would be coming in from business no it's it's not quite that because the issue is what I'm able to do is I'm working backwards for 500 based on the calculation which essentially is for assembly you need one fixture for every 25 up to 200 people plus one more for every additional 50 people up to 500 and then it jumps again and essentially they were not occupied by any other use besides assembly I can take those numbers straight and work backwards and say I have nine fixtures the first eight of them are going to go towards those that 200 and then the last one is another 50 that puts me at a capacity of 250 for pale the way it works is female is the most restrictive in terms of needing the most pictures I can double that then to find out our total occupany which is going to be 500 where it's different and why the numbers don't quite Jive in terms of how much you have on the other side is because the business use and the storage use the calculations are different and so what I'm doing is not reducing our business occupancy or the storage occupy only pulling people out of the assembly to get our number down to where we hit the 10er does that make more sense so so 290 be assembly how many for business use so for business use we have 83 * 2 uh 166 and again that's based purely off of a calculation so that's 100 sare foot per person that's so it's again the way the code works this typically gives you more than you're ever going to have particularly when it comes to other uses assembly often is pretty close or closer but business use definitely you're getting more people than you're likely ever going to have them there for that purpose but then these numbers are going to change if and when we open up the second half of building correct look more bathrooms on the other side yeah you're gonna have to open more bathrooms when you get to that just two sets of yeah so this doesn't take into account the bathrooms that are at the top of the stairs no this is just all in the first world these are all just in our occupied renovated space and the one and there's going to be bathroom so we have two single users going here and then we have a bank of four units for men and for women here and then another here and the one over over ta's office out yes what you so that's to about yep and he's he's he's set with your yes assumptions yep essentially one once we figure out the final direction we want to go and I confirm it which like we said I think makes sense to wait until we have the estimate one the numbers um and confirm kind of the list of compliance alternative items we need to do with the fire department if we get to that point then I document that send it to both parties and that's what we'll do okay what do you asked something there cost estimated preliminary numbers I talked a little bit about that I tried to get even just a A vibe from them they played mom I did get a commitment though that they are going to have the estimate for this spray and so I'll distribute that to the group I think for the purposes of making sure that next meeting is most fruitful I'll send it to you all um all usually we like to review it make sure there are no misses or erors or misss but I want to make sure we have a good chance to talk about it on Tuesday I talked with my um group of Consultants uh this morning everyone's committed we're going to make sure that we at least get the High Lev comments together prior to meeting on Tuesday so I mean looking at this timeline it says committee approval on 120 we meet 121 um yeah we're essentially a week behind from where we want it to be from an estimate standpoint right can we pick up that week somewhere well I think the idea would be what I would propose that we work with is we're still developing diams here I think we need to spend that next week once we get the estimate in place finalizing what the scope is any Cuts or changes or that forbid or God hopefully um we get some additions we'll see where we land um get that kind of hammered out and we'll be able to essentially immediately start running into CD development because we're already essentially at least on the architectural side we're already starting that anyways um with r brid it's really going to be at this point we're kind of in a holding pattern until we see have we exceeded where we needed to be budget wise or are we below and that's really going to determine our that work so when are you planning to have uh what I'll call systems discussions with the committee presentation is that going to come with the estimate because they had to made some assumption and what to carry from hfc this so we have that built in and I'll isue what we sent to the estimator to the group following this meeting today so you'll have that um I think what we can do and we might want to set have a separate meeting and see if I can get the engineers on that ideally if we could do a remote one because I don't know if I'll be able to get them in person um after Tuesday's meeting you mean or potentially or I don't know if we'd be able to where we'd be able to fit in it EXC because that might be a fairly large discussion in and around and in addition to wa I don't I don't estimate so he's talking in terms of I'm taking a trying to take a a pragmatic approach to discussing alternative systems y should the one that come back be too expensive y right so that's normally what I would consider a process that's done during DD right and we're sort of we're kind of skipping to some oring it with yeah a little bit of CD and a little bit of SD but I'm just trying to make sure that that discussion is probably gonna have to be had me too I would agree and that probably wants to be in my mind immediately following the initial uh budget whether it's the following week or somewhere around there get the schedule work we don't need a whole me a whole committee meeting for that we can get sub committee okay it should be easier then to to get a date yep but I'm still not sure if you want that before Tuesday we I think it makes sense after because we're going to get a good sense Tuesday on Tuesday of if we need to be have a light touch or heav eat okay okay and that's really what we need to know um one way or another um whether whether we're really going to be bleeding right on the plans or not hope not I hope not to um but I really don't have a good sense right now my estim my estimator was not helpful is the main point of it um CU I told them what the budget was and I said well do you have a good sense and they were they played M so we had some sense when we had all our estimat done on a few of them I know that some people think that we're a little under publicy the the the the biggest the biggest question mark that I anticipate in terms of scope and cost that may or may not have been in your Reginal numbers is how much partitioning and reconfigure of space you had by Department as opposed to departments being each their own sort of open Office you see what I mean yeah and we can Rec configure it back to yes and that's the easiest cut in my mind for us to work through and hopefully if we do have to do any cutting it can be contain so we'll see for getting cross here NES so um just in general I'm going to run through some of the things from the plan um generally it all aligns with what we've reviewed previously with the program plan there have been some slight adjustments just based on massaging it into the scanned version of the of the building so it's based on true dementing now um as well as integrating how we uh interface with the windows one of the things we've done to as a way to make sure that your windows are as economical as possible is we've standardized the size um so that it's all unitized and as I think we had discussed last time where we have walls that then interface with um or perpendicularly intersect we're infilling the windows in those locations which is what you see here um so that reduces also your number of windows windows are more expensive than wall as well as your window is weaker from a energy standpoint than wall so all of these things are going to help you whether from an initial cost or ultimately an operation cost the other piece that you'll see less so in terms of the uh Senior Center um in counil on Aging more so when you get to the office part and what I might do let me just remember take this page yes just so I can try to just so I can try to fit it better show it bigger so there have been some adjustments on this Wing primarily due to two things one is the existing uh scan receiving that reconciling the actual dimensions the second is we went through this plan and maybe let's go back to this one this one might be EAS um working on this plan to minimize as much as possible the walls were pulling out from the the dividers between the classrooms so that was one of the things that we did in the plan as well um so generally the relationships that we had been maintained I think the primary squap we ended up making is that the assessor ended up moving over here as they fit fairly well um we did the Vault Storage as two parts um one of which is access directly from the town cler how don't we move the assessor I think we may have yeah I shot in the third we move the you had the assessor move and then we move it back over to the hallway so the hallway over here was if you were the last time we discussed moving the admin assistant and the admin office over here M and as well as their meeting word yeah yeah I remember that for for privacy as well as to make that oh but keeping the assessor office where it is so the has to meet goes over there for privacy so the Assessor's over here so the admin Town Administrator okay I just had a brain I'm okay now okay I you didn't yeah yeah okay different departments yeah okay because I had a moment where I'm like wait what don't know what happened okay that works so um um and we've kept the two meeting rooms side by side here towards the entry they can be shared um more public they have a folding partition between the two yeah um they're Associated directly across from conservation planning and the Board of Health we originally had them next door spacing and sizing working with existing walls worked better to have them across um we've tuck the kitchenet in here Town collector then Works in this way um and we're able to then build the treasure into there as well to connect then we have the building official cfee room your two bathrooms and the town clerk so generally stayed the same it's more we shifted some of the organization around to fit within the existing walls can you set that as a PDF or something yes I'll send this whole thing you got a question no I just couldn't see yep yeah and if there's any particular spot you want zoom in on our look at in more detail we can um so this package is what was sent to the estimator which I'll send to you um so that you'll have that on land um for the discussion that we get into the estimate we have a preliminary um RCP in here with the abatement and sprinkler um we have to pull out the existing ceilings that are there based on the existing tile that are sagging quite a bit we are proposing a 2X two in place of the 2x4 that's currently there um which should help significantly our he stands for reflected decision plan anytime I say something where it's our speak let me know um like I said with Windows the unoccupied portion you have setup at has an alternate and where we have uh the new going in place um we've got shown in here clearly where we're in filling and you'll see that W notes are the unit of window and we've condensed down to as few types as possible because you usually get efficiencies of cost um when you do size what's the infill of the window so infill full brick no so because we're still going to maintain the opening in the cell that's there what we're assuming right now is essentially a shiplap panel um which we would paint and we can discuss with you what that actually wants to look like um stud framed insulated yeah and wherever possible we've tried to make sure that when we're in filling this was also part of the massaging of the plan that we're creating a somewhat intelligible Rhythm to the way the windows are laid out so that you're not creating something toy on the outside you're some architectural design yes exactly um so you'll see that we have some repeating patterns going through there in terms of how that was approached um for Windows for our standard window um which is what we have on our side of the building for the renovation what we propos for the sake of the estimate is a fiberglass system um we've had really good luck with it in the past it gives you very good thermal performance and you also don't have to maintain it with painting year after year um for the double home which exists on the unoccupied portion um we're looking at um Marvin Windows for both types which is um it's a wood aluminum clad wood framed single hung window on this that side we couldn't do fiberglass because of the size um they were too large um for lighting and a lot of this again you'll see it when I send through the um the documents um but I can run through some of these this is the general illumination Lighting in the corridors it's just going to be a flat panel 2x two not the 2x4 that's shown here just wanted one that had a photograph though all lighting is going to be led so it will be dimmable um and you'll also have the benefit then of the um energy conservation in the gym we've got this fct and it's going to be high up there and it's this shape is really just based on of getting enough diodes into the space so that you can really pump the light down um because it's High um the office space what we're proposing is a pendant fixture CU if you recall in the classrooms as they are which we're going to maintain you have a low to a high um it's one of the few features in the uh school and we want to maintain that not only from an aesthetic standpoint but also from a utility standpoint because that gives you your pathway for duct work and for sprinklers Etc um so we'll run pendants below um very similar fixture that we're looking to use in the restrooms um over the vanities just do it as a recess so you get some additional at the vanity and then we'll use the 2 by two for General illumination any questions on any of that stuff so far okay um in terms of finishes we've given not colors or looks or feel we're going to pull together a package which we'll review with you likely that will be early February um when we'll actually have colors and kind of through and pull together outet um in terms of direction we want to go but the general approach is that we have carpet in your offices and conference rooms perpect tile should say uh VCT so vinyl composite tile in your corridors storage kitchen and multi-purpose a gym floor which is essentially a very similar to a VCT it just has more padding built into the tie itself in the gymnasium is what we're carrying right now um we're painting the walls and using a rubber Cove Base um and then the 2x two suspended ceiling tile which we've discussed before the doors inside the building are pretty up so right now we're carrying a flush panel wood door um throughout um for those again depending on where prices come in we may be able to Sage we just refinish them we can figure out that when get there um a finale panel which is how you want to address door or that's why right now we want to do new because if you use the existing we're likely going to need to cut up the existing door and do some patch work to make new hardware work because none of the hardware right now it uh is compliant for accessibility so that's where right now from the purpose of Aesthetics as well as there are quite a few doors that are really beat up as well as the hardware we're just proposing all of them new that way they're all you're on a Level Playing Field they're all at the same condition when you move in and makes the hardware setup easier as well as everything looks the same um it'll give you the best product in the end um we've got phenolic panels which if you've seen those in bathrooms they're kind of the plasticky material for the bathrooms is what we're carrying right now and then for mill work which is the trans action counters um within each of the Departments all of that just a half wall with then a a plastic laminate top which is essentially what you have on these tables in the bathrooms we have a solid surface top with a Sol surface Bowl for the S make sense so I more go through all this more so you have a foundation of understanding what's built into the estimate and that way we kind of have an understanding of when we get it what we're looking at and what can we start chipping way at or adjusting T we'll look at the numbers I I think we should look at a final composition time instead of um well instead of a a VCT a VY product just in terms of Maintenance water as opposed to washing LS yep or goings right which I think is what we're essentially looking at right now I just call that I know that's it's just to a f the same Ben no these guys have to strick and wax the floors over we avoid waxing wherever possible so because we've run into that Lan Cent as a concern good thank you yep but I'll make sure that's the case with interior designers um so that's pretty much it in terms of what I have to review um I have documents and I have the narrative like I said which I'll share with you everything essentially that I have here um I think the last thing that I'll just briefly run through with you is where we are on the site plan question before we jump on to the site what is your basis of design for mechanical system so mechanical right now okay so it's all built into here they they are so I think this is all their existing discussion yes it is so this the next page there we go intent so they're intending to reuse the existing steam boiler um supplementing it with a hydronic system with circulation pump expansion tank and air separator so that will give you longer uh viability for the existing system that's thicker um essentially is the intent the offices themselves we're going to pull the wall ventilators so those are in those um bookshelves that are on the bridge under the window you're going to pull that uh infill the wall below and then we're going to Supply heating and cooling using an Erb which is an energy recovery ventilator which is um then going to have a rooftop units associated with it the senior center itself um they're using air handling units um which will be mounted on the roof also how cool the offices that's the you're using a hydraulic okay ceing cassettes as yeah okay so essentially he said no I was asking there a mini split I know if that would Happ anym something yeah no it it's it in terms of the technology it's very similar to a wall unit um because it's all based on either expanding or Contracting your refrigerant fluid um to produce he Orin school one way or another and then the other piece that it works with in um it's uh with a VF it's variable so essentially the idea is it will change the blow based on the demand and that is how it meets the demand and it's drawing typically from either the outside it's pumping the heat out of the building to cool yep or it's drawing heat from the outside in essentially by either compressing or expanding the fluid is essentially the general sence behind it um sorry yep they're using DX pooling coils for the senior center itself that they are talking about a split system there so that's more like your wall homeing it whether we do it as a wall home work it's a ceiling cassette um one or the other um same thing for the classrooms with this in your Center um for the for the kitchen we'll need to provide makeup air which that's the ventilation for it the auditorium they was speaking of that's the part in the unoccupied portion technically not doing anything right now they just have an assessment of theirr um in terms of how to potentially exp extend their life span um they are talking about unit on that side of the world because we're going to want to maintain at least some level of Maintenance heat not cooling on that side which is what they're discussing here yeah so generally it's a mix between the VF with ERB energy propen ventilator so what that is is it it bringing in in your fresh air for ventilation air it's going to recycle air from inside so that if it's in cooling mode it will preol the air as it comes in or if it's in heating it's going to recycle air through so that then it can heat at least somewhat before it has to put in actual Mor if that makes sense I'm the Layman speaking here so hopefully if I can understand you can and I'm probably not putting it well but it's the idea that St room exhaust directory yes Circle that same thing with the kitchen correct yeah that's all that's big unless you're like a grocery store you want to exhaust from the bakery to the front of the building done it's crazy Ty it to the back y any other questions okay um so on the site plan we've updated per the last discussion so that we have our primary entry over here with our handicap parking located here um you have a drive behind and then your parking essentially gets reestablished here and here we maintain then the loop through and then currently which was where we left it with the last discussion on the fire pump we have the tanks drown here with the pre-engineered building here um which will see the right say that again yes yeah yeah that's what you can see here is that will building up the grade is that where they did the digging this email that we asked G to come G no the the further digging is somewhere over here at the pl area is that searching for the oh no it's up here yeah it's up here yeah yeah you know what happened with that I haven't yet other than I hope been low on it to get on the check in and see where it is we get out here the good news is from a leechfield standpoint at least on the plumbing fixture count the kitchen is another angal but from from a bathroom staning with the discussion we had earlier were fewer fixtures than we were original looking at which helps that situation right that's all I have for the moment how a lot I went through it quick so when you when I when I emailed this don't fall out in the chair and see how many pages we have because there is a lot of information available um I only really went in depth on the architectural um everything's in here though the narrative itself is in here which goes through each individual system architectural structural the fire protection forming HC electrical in the Civil um just to lay out all the assumptions that have been made out to this point okay and our cost estimate will have spanked out system yes so the cost estimate is going to be broken out or it should be based on all the work I've done with this estimator in the past um if you're familiar with construction documents they're subdivided about divisions uh if you've seen any of those facts before so like you're going have division from instances openings so everything related to like your windows your doors your Hardware it's going to fall under that and they're typically going to have line items then for okay your new windows of this type this much square footage or this many number so that's where two meals Point once we get it and you review it and dig into it it should be pretty easy to start for instance in the fire protection standpoint see what the square footage number is and extrapolate that over to the unocup portion same thing is also true from the standpoint of if we decide we want to say start removing areas of case work countertop or walls or doors it's all itemized so we'll be able to peel all that way as weed all right um so the third thing on the agenda is that we got bill number two from BM and Bill number one from of which um the was designers bill um so we're okay to pay both the gos just to let you know there copies in the what I don't have a okay well they're right on far with good um any other business you said you haven't heard your name about no and do so that LE us to the minutes from last time there in your packet so I a motion anybody approve or minut make motion all second all in favor um and then lastly old business I had put down there the RO development PL that we talked about when we met you December um I would like to invite an goby to one of our meetings so she can talk to us and explain what this Grant's all about um it's opening soon the application this month I so we really have to get a start on that if we want to be considered and again the most important being so we have to have an economic development piece to our project which will change the the kitchen to a commercial kitchen for food and SEC which is how it was presented to the select board at the meeting a couple weeks ago by Chris and the select board agreed that they wanted to pursue the grant so um if I invited to the next meeting would that be I would say that's not ex just because we're going to have a full plate probably going through the estimate I just don't want to push [Music] off it's basically replicating is what you say yeah so this kitchen's in the estimate but yeah I I'm not really sure how this is going to work because you have to spend the money to get the money so that would change the scope of our project but I can't hear you what me I think there would be approach because it kind of changed and it's a huge opportunity to go back to the town yeah you have to go back to the town because we got maybe adding another $900,000 at say onto the cost of the project to get it reimbursed great all right I'll um I'll get her into one of our meetings to talk about that well and essentially the sooner we can figure out how we want to go with that potentially the path that we can take on our side in terms of the design team is similar to another project I have going now where it's actually under construction now and we're doing the hitch and design now because it was all based on funding and negotiation and all the rest of it so we left the kitchen itself as a white box is what we call it so it's essentially we hold the real estate for it we Mark as future we'll do everything related to say the ceiling the lighting the sprink all of that stuff that you're doing regardless so that it's carried through but if and we don't necessarily need to make that decision now but that's an approach we can take so that we don't get into a situation where we're getting ahead of worse so to speak yeah okay correct me but money doesn't have to be spent it hasn't be a PO to I it's a reimbursement it's a reimbursement I know I it waso to not necessarily suspend because now we have it we're no to do it we're going to get reimbursed but I thought needs to be qualified is um question the the Magic The Magic is they say you can the water contract that you can't pay for right so you can't you can't go with the assumption that you're going to get re first we could design it into the project but if it comes in over what the appropriation is we can make a project Mo with de that's the issue so you have to be prepared to pay for the gr or to pay for the project pay for the project cost regardless of whether you get the grant or B yeah and then if you get the grant you would just BL less or spend less well it's not it is in one sense but if the power increase the money get done so it has to yeah get part it in the next Maytown meeting but which means we have to start that yeah find out how much cost do to to make it that's a whole addition to both but you have a gr we're get to October so that's why everything has to get done make sure we appropriate the money I understand with the spending but I think to apply we have to make sure we have it not necess spend and obviously it's going to be spent in order to fit say next October October 25 yeah that's when they started the sh she disc yes yeah I thought the same as you 26 yeah so um we have to have something to bring to the town by me yeah there's a lot to do for that yeah me it would be but at the same time I still think it be beneficial for us to everything yeah everything falls in the place it would benefit guess we'll find out next week yeah yeah all right so let's um definely meet next Tuesday o' yeah deer yeah uh there's no slbo meeting right because Monday's a holiday so SBO meeting on Wednesday so this building is available Wednesday Tuesday so we can be here on Tuesday on 1:21 at 4 and then I know we were trying to do standard every other week that's going to throw us into a um February 4 the next time MH um I be here me to the 11 because what we can do in the meantime whether we carry the whether it's the 28th or the 4th we or we can figure out a different day for M while you're gone and then we can meet electrical King the engineer we can meet with them while you're away and then we'll be able to move afterwards and have in terms of systems and maybe what I do um is for the 11th I can plan for us to have an initial uh finish package and bring material designer potentially so the NEP would use for the alternates to discuss the systems and based on where we land in terms of numbers whether we want to make any changes and if there are efficiencies that can be made probably 30% 25 to 30% of your budget is going to be your mechanical very likely Protection Systems so it's almost halfway the project to cost so I want to make sure you guys have a thorough understanding buy yeah so that's a it's a big piece of the puzzle and in frankly it will probably one of the first places that we look in terms of Costco would that be a whole committee meeting our sub committee you had mentioned before potentially doing that it's a sub commmittee right you can do it when you don't have to wait you can do it on the 28th as long as majority you then you can meet well I'm just working just be like this MP is 30% of a instruction and you're essentially replacing essentially I'm saying it's it's a higher percentage in this one it could be because we're not building the building itself so to your point yes it could very well be significantly more than 30% so you're talking on 121 we're all getting back together yes and that's all we know for now okay yeah and that's for the cost estimation documents yeah the other I'll confirm with my Engineers when they're available and then should I coordinate with you to get that set up for the subcommittee okay that's potentially your 128 right yes or it could be any day up to me it can be NE um so that's different though than your no that's the alternative systems you're talking about yeah okay yeah so do we need internet or anything for that me if you ever sub are we doing a zooming with any Engineers so we may want to or need to and the question is if we do it virtually does it get into that full rigma hole or no of meing to be announced if it's a subcommittee uh I'll check on that CU if it doesn't then I'm sure either NE or I can easily set up the act meading itself yeah we we don't use them though we use grany gry to go go to grany whatever it's called yeah go um I'll check into find out and then we figure that out because I don't know what kind of we're going to have definitely a lot more flexibility if it can be online to get the not the engineers or but I'll check on that um all right so I'll entertain a motion to well one last item which I discussed with you and I think you discussed with the rest of the group regarding furniture donation that um should I have Dawn our interior designer who's reached back out to the bank to let them know you're interested start the ball rolling in terms of coordinating how that's all going to work out um who should they ultimately be coordinating with should that be through you or so just to back up um there's a project that's being completed by his firm who offered to volunteer all their office furniture furniture so we're doing Bank Renovations and they have one branch that has six offices six offices and the furniture is fairly new it's just more more traditional wood furniture they don't want to do that anymore they're moving in a different direction and we've asked them would they be willing to donate it they said yes I went to Lynn to review it went to the subc committee majority said yes yeah and so we've gone back now to say okay Town's interested now we need to start coordinating how do that happen I'll find out okay so in other words how to get the furniture here yes how to get it here where it's going to store soone could it not go in that Auditorium or no would it just Street for now it's until we're done and yeah I don't see why find out the question is going to be how much delivery how much Furniture is it actually yeah six desks six chairs I don't know what well in the desks themselves they're like they're full front side I think they have a back so they're good size so they SE left their SE yeah yeah here yeah put upstairs she yeah like need commiss right yeah still need that ask I'll check on that tomorrow and I'll get back to you okay see say yeah and as Chief said we don't use it which I think we're gonna in town we use it exactly well and it's more situation of as Don told me she's like that furniture is really good we that's why she wanted me to call you um once she found out Bank was interested in actually donating it because otherwise they would have just thrown it out which would have been a shame yeah kills me well and honestly unfortunately that's what happens to H so keep us on the dials we definitely will the money the numbers be a move point we don't know what's coming on Tuesday so not that wood though I thinking POS yoss all yeah all right thank you very much second all in favor