##VIDEO ID:exvjyoeEtx8## [Music] can you try talking now can you hear me now yep perfect you go you've got the file all set yes I do um Neil's going to call in when he is out of his other meeting so we'll just keep an eye out for that okay this over there okay can you make that bigger ktim yeah I will I'm just getting situated okay in terms of moving things around well while you're doing that I'm going to have the uh group look at the minutes from last week and [Music] them I'm sorry good I did [Music] I make a motion to approve the minutes from the January 22nd meeting second all in favor I I thank you all right Tim the floor is yours whenever you're ready all ready so I don't know if you had a chance to do anything in terms of printing this out we tried to get it to you early just took longer than we thought to get through um but we'll we'll play this big enough you can see um J when did you s it um Sean had sent it just prior to the meeting maybe 15 minutes ago oh I see it 3:20 yeah here it is okay well do you want to send it to me I can go print it quickly I mean is it worth how big is it let you can print it if you can print it EAS uh 17 uh Pages yeah send send it to my email and I'll uh go print off right so what this does is we have at the cover sheet here in the page four um two columns essentially that we've done in this summary the first one on the left hand side is just purely Corrections in terms of the elements that been added in I.E the Hazardous uh batement number is included as well as um just going through making sure all of the areas all quantities are correct um adjusted for um elements that we we found a couple a handful of duplications um which we were then able to pull out um that yields essentially it's more or less the same number you saw before four in terms of pre doing any modifications to the number um we're at 114 uh for the total so that's just purely based on going through and reconciling the numbers and making sure at this point in schematic design it's as accurate as it can be next to that when we scroll through we have adjusted numbers based on where we have based on our last week elements that we could make adjustments to for cost um as well as adjustments um not only from cost standpoint but also from just pure economization of well we really don't need to do that effort um our Pro our what this will show though is there are certain tradeoffs with doing some of that like you'll notice the thermal and moisture protection number goes up in relation to the original number um but that's because the door and window number goes down um quite a bit and they're um lesser um or more savings there are up in the other vein same thing in terms of reduction in the wall and reduction in Specialties and Equipment we'll go dive into this into a bit more detail um of elements oops that's not pled okay um elements that are in here and where they're coming from and what we can do with them and some additional ideas that we've uh come across in terms of things we can do to help um economize one of the first things we did is go through the entire number so we do get a certain amount of savings things purely by adjusting all of their gross square footage assumptions to make sure that's correct um so we've gone through that throughout um one of the elements we had discussed last week um which we can continue with um is in terms of just chasing through the elements tied to the folding partitions in our multi-purpose spaces and as discussed we've got a number in here where we've got the tradeoff between um new window versus putting in enclosed window um because putting in the window um is has the blocking in the window itself which that numbered together so you have $6 per square foot or linear foot rather on the window plus the sealant for the window itself which you have $14 per linear foot the sealant plus the actual window number together that's $ 110 uh dollar per square foot on the window versus the wall which I believe was 45 plus the 9 um so more in the vein of a $55 per square foot as opposed to 110 so that's what a lot of these numbers are running through um in terms of how we arrived at the the final numbers there we have reduction in the number of doors by pulling out your interior partitions going for a more open Office um approach um in terms of the uh internal departments as well as reducing your total number of automatic door openers cuz we can focus on the primary entrance into the building uh Tim to add on that you have mentioned to me um it's not accounted for in here because we need more answers but you have mentioned the possibility of uh if there are existing doors that could be salvaged or something along those lines yes so that that was another thought in terms of specifically to use a different color here specifically related to to door frames here as well as and this is more a discussion Point as well as your flush doors that you have many of them are in pretty poor condition and they're pretty beat up but there may be some of these that we can look to uh reuse um particularly if they're more in a back of house location or if they aren't requireed to have a fire rating um where that's it's not going to be a huge amount of money but we may have some money we can shave off um by looking into that if we get to that point Tim I thought that um the door frames had to be adjusted for hardware and accessibility so how are we going to reuse those so if you reuse the doors what you would end up with and this is why I suggest this as a potential option for areas that are less visible you'd have to cut out around where the existing Hardware is depending on what style it is if it's a cylinder or if it's a mortise um style um operating Hardware um if it's cylinder obviously that's fairly simple cuz it's literally just a a core through the door um and I honestly don't Rec call what you have in your existing cuz if it's a mortise then it's usually hollowed out um a fairly significant portion of the door where you'd have to put in once uh a patch essentially in the door which would be more visible um so it's an option it's not a great option and like I said if you were to do it I would only recommend doing it in areas where you're less concerned about visibility and where you wouldn't care as much if it's an older looking door um it's not a huge savings which is why I didn't bring it up before um particularly because many of the doors you have they're not in great shape um but I just want to throw it out there of maybe there's a handful that we could use um as well another idea in terms of Windows and glazing is you have the existing uh trans translucent window system in the gem um which we were um proposing to use a um cowall system which is again something that creates translucent fuse light um it is more expensive so we were looking at reducing the overall square footage um kind of two thoughts on that one would be just go with a standard window the reason though why you would typically not do that is because you're not going to typically put uh window shades on a a window that's up high and you're often in a gym you don't want clear glazing because it will create glare um so kind of a a secondary option there to consider in the gym is nine Talons out of 10 gyms that I've been in they don't have Windows do we remove the window Al together and just do infill wall which is going to perform better from an energy standpoint and then you're also going to save essentially half of what we would have in here for the new windows um as currently proposed we have to add to that I did the map um which is not included there but if you were to take the square footage number uh for a window multiply that by the 600 square fet they've got for where that cowall is that gets you about you would get a 22 let's say 22 $24,000 saving so that's transitioning from that more translucent to the window if you were to do a wall infill instead of any type of grazing system you'd get about a $36,000 saving hey Tim what page is this on this is on page [Music] seven top section 084 th000 Windows anding we're specifically looking at the gym the line item here yeah new C on G which what we're showing here is just reducing the area um but you can see already just between the two types of window that we have in there it's $150 per square foot um versus the fiberglass window which would be clear glazing um at 110 um versus if we went for just eliminating the window and infilling Al together I think it's a good idea to eliminate to save money I don't think you need a window there or I don't think the windows need to continue to be there well and like I said that's actually going to help you operationally in the future because at least in the winter months because you're probably losing a lot of heat through what's there right now um we've got the reduction in the partitions which we discussed um inside the office areas of the Departments um as well as then reducing your overall amount of skim coat for patching where you have um some of the cracking and heeling currently um to about 25% of wall area as opposed the to the entire we have pulled the um wall tile out at this point we haven't received an updated number on the ceramic uh tile yet but we have um our interior designer did reach out to um the manufacturer and got a cost per square foot for material which was what Sean uh that was around $2 or $3 per square foot but Tim we did just just get an email um from the cost estimator um that we couldn't include in here but she said at the at the most they think they could shave off uh $2 from that yeah that would be for both wall and floor um so not a huge still a $2,000 savings if we only are carrying the floor okay [Music] um the flooring we had discussed last week shifting away from the gym floor in the gym to the VCT um that's reflected in here as well um in terms of painting that's reduced based on just overall um um wall reduction moveable partitions as discussed pulling that out in terms of equipment They carried in here for your kitchenet for the office space provide it's relatively small numbers but they did carry the microwave in the refrigerator that's something potentially could be pulled if you have it where you can relocate it from elsewhere well I think that should be off this estimate anyhow personally I mean they have they have equipment we're moving equipment and if they need to buy it then $2,600 that can come out of a their budget not okay um the hood we found was in here more than once so we pulled out the duplicate uh the back flow preventer we discussed last week isn't required to be in here based on um it being off of a private um well system um and we have inserted in here the fire pump house building which as we've discussed it's either the pre-engineered building or you have the 400 ft of pipe which are more or less about the same value of the 100 grand um move towards point of use water heaters for our sinks as opposed to having a central system and that saves about half of that number for your water heating these are just all adjustments to get the numbers correct we weren't able to get a number talking through with our um both the engineer as well as the cost estimator in terms of hbac and um lighting well lighting I think we can make some assumptions based on reductions in switching um but in terms of hbac and Fire Protection we know that there's a potential savings there just because there's economy that come with not having as many enclosed rooms as we originally had shown um but quantifying it at this point is not really something that we can do easily um but we know it's something that's there on the horizon um to be considered in terms of the total number uh that's just adjustment the refrigerant piping in the condens flows we had a fairly good savings there this was more of an adjustment to correct the assumptions um in terms of what was carried and where um that refrigerant piping would be overall that saves um in terms of that correction approximately $110,000 in that number um okay one of the elements we wanted to make sure we corrected in here just for your knowledge sake and talking with our Engineers on this um the the generator we have accommodated in here is a standby generator it's not an emergency generator um and one of the comments that they made um when we spoke with them this morning for consideration is if we are starting to look at this as a shelter um emergency shelter in particular there are all sorts of other requirements that begin to be triggered not only your generator but also related to other systems throughout the building which are not in this cost as is so that's something that it may be future but in terms of this project today it's not built in to work and function as a higher risk higher priority building cuz that's definitely additional cost related to alarms related to areas of Refuge related to the style and type of generator you have um how it actuates um in terms of the speed it turns on all of those things are tied together in terms of um what you would need if you have this as essentially set up as an emergency shelter of some kind okay lighting we talked about a little bit that a figure that after I guess one of the things too that Sean and I were talking about is with regards to the AV systems that are in here as well as sound systems um whether that's some not necessarily something because but if that's something we peel out um which is noted here on page 11 um in terms of some of the grants we've been discussing earlier on um that then that though that um 16 Grand at least for the AV maybe something that could go towards um or be something you chase in Grant form Grant and then the other piece would be the sound system in terms of whether that's a grant or whether you even do a sound system cuz I recall um during at least related to the senior center programming portion um we had discussed a sound system in the multi-purpose room and at least for that purpose um the discussion was there wasn't a need and I don't know if you see a need in your larger meeting rooms to have one or not what I think in the cafeteria we're going to need one if you're including the cafeteria as a larger meeting room for sure we yes for sure we'll okay so that was something we wanted to put it on it as a discussion point because I don't think we'd ever really talk about it in depth um just to make sure it's on your radar and then to that point if you are chasing a technology brand of kind I think this falls into that bucket potentially not necessarily as a cost savings but are there other ways we can procure the funding okay in terms of the site all of almost all of this that's in here um is related to um reducing down to the minimum required for accessibility um we did talk about uh with our engine civil engineer as well as with the electrical engineer for the electrical connection um one way to essentially remove most if not all of that roadway work component is to have your power pass overhead um over the street and then go below ground from that point on and essentially then those numbers are carried in what we have else where throughout the estimate which would keep you out of the street itself I thought we talked about using existing duck Bo throughout the building Transformer is going to be placed near the building and I thought there was some existing electric there's a chief that they could use Y and then y yeah we and the thought in terms of how you get there um is that you're trying to use existing Pathways but we still need to create a new connection point back to the existing Source that's all we probably would go I don't think we'd want to put conduit it under the road because the power on that street runs on the opposite side right now it goes overhead and then drops down the pole and goes in so yeah there's an existing pole M National Grid will probably replace that pole and then put the transform Transformer there so basically the exact same path like Jim said just ex overhead across the street we don't want to cut the road open for that anyway right so this just comes off essentially is where we've landed um and does exactly what you just described is we're following that path to go above and down entally and into the building and to be clear that those numbers were not taken out so so we need to pull this still this is just one of our more recent discussions um okay so that's all just adjustments based on reductions for accessibility um we move to a pre-cast curb and reduced curbing essentially the curbing that's shown in here for the site is only that related to um the immediate vicinity of the parking as well as your sidewalks um so it red his overall linear foot um of curbing from 3,000 down to 420 cuz it's really just sucked up against the building and where is your sidewalk and then a pre-cast versus the granite um in that location okay and then as discussed pull out the Landscaping Al together you have other means to cover that piece [Music] and then we Revis the drainage number so then that reduces the overall site number by uh did you have a total in here but reduces the total site number down to 1.3 um and then for now at least we've essentially just discounted the AL alternate we have the number um in terms of the additional window replacement on the unoccupied portion of the building so that being said with all of the corrections now applied in here and our reductions if you go to page four which is the summary again and also putting back in the elements we discussed last week that we pulled um we're now sitting at just above 10 [Music] so it's at the very bottom of page four but you got two page fours uhuh page four [Music] two yes the second page for so so it says revised 8 million so where are you looking well there's Corrections and then there's revised so at the bottom the last number says eight oh it's yeah you're cut off you have the sub total oh it's CU it's it's in the margin so your printer cut it off so then what is the what do you have for total now 10 million 27,000 322 is your revised or reduced rather and that's not including that's all just construction That's not including professional fees correct and granted we can pull out and I don't know if you've run the numbers Sean if we can adjust this pulling out the the piece we just talked about yes I can do that I can do the gy wall from window let me so if you can do that in the background and then we can feed that in so this will go down a little bit at least [Music] further why did go up existing conditions hazardous batement so that's the Hazardous that's really the only piece that went up there I don't like this is this got cut off I don't know why well let me see what's in yeah the only piece that got cut off is your final calculated total here which is kind of an important yeah I can't oh it's downloading that's why oh you got it [Music] no so right now it's 10.2 and they going to take out well 10.02 okay well that's then that's got like 900 something thousand contingency correct correct so I thought uh last week when we um went through all this we got it down to 9 [Music] million yeah last week we were in 94 9.4 is where we were last week um we ended up and Sean you probably know better than I yeah so we added back the generator we added back all the transaction counters we umor the big one 344 when you count in the and the overall conting tenden see an overhead and profit yeah you were wishing I know I don't know why it my copier cut it off just want you guys to see it yeah yeah um yeah so we have about 30 from the mill work that went back in we added about 30 back in from the plaster skim coat cuz we didn't remove it all um for our discussion last week and then the big one is this one the electrical with a generator also the maintaining the existing Steam Heat the 200 here yeah changing over to so can after attracting um everything to do with the electrical umad work yeah the electrical road work and then subtracting the cow wall at the gym and replacing that with wall infill M to get us somewhere around 9 9,975 y so this is where we end up yes so 9 [Music] million minus soft cost and we have to add them in add it in yeah [Music] [Music] soor I just have a quick question and it probably isn't relevant right now since we're trying to cut back but what kind of triggers were you talking about that it would set off for an emergency center so I know that was one of the things we were looking at so essentially when I talk to our engineer in terms of If This Were to be used as a shelter or as a warming Center or something along those lines essentially what it triggers in terms of requirement is it updates your level of I think how Mike put it was um the hazard level of the building essentially in terms of its importance um it triggers additional requirements with regards to fire rating um needing to provide areas of Refuge within the building um and then you typically need as opposed to a standby generator you need a um actual emergency generator which my understanding of how that works is the time frame of how long it needs to be able to run is different as well as the time it takes for it to actually turn on and functionally power your building is different that's different from from emergency generator for fire suppression yes cuz your your generator for fire suppression the way we have our pump the pump itself is run based on using a diesel engine so it in itself has that component we're not doing an electric pump um which if you had an electric pump you'd need another generator on top of the pump um as opposed to if you do the diesel um pump it's essentially running on its own it runs under its own steam so to speak and that's all distinct from your actual generator component so this emergency generator would be in addition to any are you still there okay this emergency generator would be in addition to any other generator we have in the building yes or you do it in place of the standby but it would be more expensive than that 340,000 that you have for a standby how much more expensive we can find out but like I said it's going to trigger other elements in the building in terms of what you need to have done which we didn't delve into because I wanted to bring it to your attention that knowing that costs are already tight if that's a path you want us to go down we just need to know it's bringing our costs up for the building no I think maybe we could get both options yeah even if we could put the emergency generator in there without doing the other triggers for now at least that part would be in there no that maybe can you doar that Tim yeah what did you hear what Dale said I think I did I'm going to regurgitate it to make sure I got it right to put in an emergency generator not necessarily have the building the emergency but you could do it later is that what I yeah okay and then put in the other triggers later [Music] yeah okay there gim just just thinking along the lines and how we present to the where we're at so so this is Bare Bones there's nothing more you think we can take [Music] out no nothing easy so to speak um cuz we've kind of gone through and and we've we've talked through each of the elements with amongst the two of us Sean and I as well as between us and the engineers just to get a sense of is there anything we can pull here in here are there any elements that we don't need um that we can pull out um that are extraneous um to that end and I don't remember if there's anything that I brought up in our list this morning Sean that I didn't talk to earlier yeah let me if you want to pull up my notes I sent you this morning uh one thing I just wanted to mention is uh I did investigate the demolition of the existing ceilings and where that number was carried and the cost estimator told me that it was carried um in a line that is called interior demolition I think a thing that says finishes and that's where it was carried so it was not um to the best of my knowledge was not duplicated or okay um let's see oh keep so I'm pretty sure we touched on all the elements in here that you and I talked about um oh one element we did peel out and I don't know if I mentioned it I think I did mention it um the mechanical room and the gym we originally had a number in here for painting those ceilings uh the mechanical room obviously that's only going to be your maintenance folks who are in there eventually they if it needs it could be done internally the gym itself that ceiling is in fairly decent condition at least from what we could see last time we were out there in photography um no signs of current leaks so that would be your primary thing in terms of if there were any staining or discoloration in that ceiling so we pulled that scope out um cuz it doesn't really seem like something you need at this point yeah and then to reiterate you already said this Tim but there is potential for some savings uh where we're making the offices more of an open SCH rather than the small rooms but as the cost estimator told me there's no easy way to know a reduction at this point in time because the numbers are based on a cost per square foot um so were we able to pull at least the switching number back or no I did not cuz I think there was an itemized number in there which we could at least get a rough idea under the electrical so really the only way at this point to get it to go any lower is to change the square footage yes that's well and it's as I warned you last week that's that's really the Surefire way to reduce your overall cost and make sure it stays out yeah they have this as a lum some for controls so if we um move the TA off of that hallway and push them in with the the wing the kindergarten first grade Wing would that make a significant difference that do you can you run the Cal do we have the calcon what that square footage is Sean Andy otherwise you can easily get that let me I can't imagine it's going be huge but well on the question's going to be where does that space go like what are what are you losing in order to do that like are we are we losing one or more of our meeting rooms here to accommodate that are we taking the meeting room out of the TA space so you're considering taking that whole orange space there understand yeah essentially if weage hold on I I think if you take this whole thing Sean across the hall because we probably end up uh doing the same thing we're doing on the south end where we put a a door in there subdivide the space we still use the same entrance why we have to lose it we use the same entrance way that we've talked about from the get go yeah we just create a get to the town offices stuff doesn't happen until later on so that um area including the hallway sorry if I cut you guys up um that area including the hallway gets us uh let's say 1,3 375 the other thing to not is of course you know we be there are some windows that are facing the courtyard that we would be probably not replacing if we're Walling that Corridor or off and then of course the windows in be the office space how much is it to I think this was your point um that I heard if we only pulled this out and we kept the hallway in and just left it yeah that's uh 9 985 980 okay which do we have so our total here was 9 9975 and change divided by and you had 22 380 so our cost per square foot is 4 45 so we left and just did that portion there right8 95 so that's saving you approximately just doing a cost per square foot number for the 985 this gives you a savings of $439 for that area on its own Tim what if we um take out the cafeteria the gym and the offices across the hall across the ceria so this whole Zone yes can you run that give me a square footage Sean yeah what uh actually zoom over to your right I don't know if I have that might be the next page or the page no I think you had it earlier on there we go so that was 94004 445 so that's a potential Savings of 4,183 th000 which is a lot where we What's the total savings 1 million 4 million 4 million 4 million if we lose this space altoe Okay add in the cafeteria okay hold on that's going to get us those AR CU those are open spaces so the square forage doesn't exactly apply that way no it's it's going to be a lesser number than this but it gives you an order of magnitude Tim tell me when you're ready for the area of the cafeteria okay cafeteria it's uh the square footage is 3,625 okay um if we add that back in so let's do let me do this 94 so how much was that again 36 we do 36 and 650 3650 okay okay so this is 575 so this would be so this is the cafeteria that equals 2 58 75 so then it's 2.5 potential savings ra for magnitude then if we only cut Sean as our last one let's look at that you cannot that's what you so yep so that's roughly we'll say 1,700 all open space the calculations aren working no we'd have to kind of these aren't real numbers to your point we'd have to go through an effort of actually figuring out what what work if any are we doing in that space and literally go through that effort with our cost estimator to say we're pulling this out this is what it actually turns into um which we could do if we want to earmark certain spaces to just pull them out windows or doors separ reming everything roughly yeah what do you guys think think I got enough information to make a decision got it's got to be presented to the Town based on this is what we can do to get the offices in you're probably looking at about between 7 and 8 and then an extra two do the whole the whole thing gets everybody Under One Roof everything done yeah you still have't that you know you got money coming back for the sale of building I think we got information to give it an educated umal costs are related to the gym and cafeteria or are they are the structural costs I know they're not I know there's not really anything we can do to save um but yeah are they pertaining to a specific area I think they're related to this area they rooftop units going in okay so it's not really going to change if we cut off the gym anything that no okay yeah the gym and the the cafeteria areas are primarily the costs related to the ceiling the cafeteria your flooring and lighting are going to be your biggest CA [Music] I don't think that I number your is this um 9 million number including OPM no architect and Engineering no commissioning Services no so the 10 the 10 the 10 mil 27,000 commercial that's just or Construction Construction cost so it's really more like 11 million which I know and I don't know when or if Neil's going to be able to join but he should be minute now yeah cuz I thought he was going to be looking at that part he did we have a um draft budget that he sent us MH um which included those costs the OPM architectural costs commissioning subtotal construction total which at that point was 9.5 million which is pretty much what you got which is more or less where we are um and then project expenses [Music] which is like printing fees legal fees Lo relocation expenses um he added in furniture and Technology well Furniture we can can technology don't know how that's going to fit in yet because that probably has to be updated and then contingency fees so he had a total project budget just as a rough figure at 11.9 for everything for everything but of course you C you know we pull out Furniture we pull out summer technology um some of moving and relocation expenses because we would do that ourselves we would hire anybody to move furniture but my guess is it's going to be more more like 11 million then 9 million but Tim's not here right now but I'm I'm not Tim sorry Neil is not here right now but I'm sure that that's where he's going with what he yeah sent to us so yes we do have a lot of information that we can discuss to present to the select board but I think we also have to present to the select board Alternatives well and what Sean and I can do because we can do the same effort we've done as as opposed to doing around cost per square foot we can if if we're looking to pull say this corner and this corner out and we do them as a separate number um we can look at what is that actually um these two are probably close just because they do have the partitions in individual rooms but in terms of the gym and in terms of the cafeteria to get you a closer number is going to be closer to just itemizing what we have in there for the finish for the individual room and the lighting there's going to be some level of mechanical but it's not going to be anywhere near as high as some of these other spaces um which are not Wide Open Spaces um so we can take a look at that to get you closer to if you were to pull this out what that would entail what do you think mhm well do you want to put keep a TA where he is and just have him concentrate on not renovating or minimally renovating the gym the cafeteria and the two rooms across the way to get them ready for future anybody yeah might as well yeah I think what we can do to your point is if we and Sean I think we might want to look at this in two ways in terms of the orange area here what is the cost on its own if we can do a a closer look on it to kind of itemize it a bit more and isolate this area and then also to your point Lynn in terms of your last comment for the multi-use room here multi-purpose room here if we only do the floor only do the ceiling and lighting and the windows and don't do any of the new partitions and storage in here but we just essentially create a plank shell of a room what does that cost same thing for the gym in terms of just the floor paint the walls infill the windows lighting which granted is pretty much all we're doing in the gym in the first place so the gym number is going to be probably easy to isolate um and then again I think over here we can prep these and just give the two classrooms that are there as blank slates we're going to have to do the two bathrooms here just based on people number of people in the space but the rest of it if we can pull that out and the fire suppression yep and to Jim's point we can keep on remembering that we will have money when the COA sells speaking of that have you had any luck reaching out you two to the people you reaching out to we'll talk about that yeah I do have that but yeah can youall just call me at anytime and get in I should be able to okay I don't know what happened soon with a texture call you say it's hope as far as I can tell all right provide us with we're going to deduct those other spaces the real real numbers yeah just say yeah go yeah yeah yeah so we'll crunch those numbers so we'll essentially take this diagram and we'll kind of do a clean version of it that has the kind of tier list of if you pull this all together it's approximately this if you do Bare Bones it's this and then this is the value of it doing it what we have right now okay and that way you should have be armed hopefully with everything to kind of lay out the options the menu if you will the um one thing I want to mention is just that see your Center portion and that uh like that bottom the office area and then those multi-purpose rooms in the gym I would say even though we just calculated what it would be for the wall and fill up the gym instead of the Blazing the Senor center part there's a lot of you know uh consecutive Windows there just on that envelope on that facade so um they're made a good saving as far as window replacement for those areas if they're not done at all but get to them yeah we yeah we would still likely want to evate it to that point but the other piece too Sean is we can build into this um and look at the come up with Bas we have a layout for that space that works let's take another look at the senior center space in particular of do we infill more of the windows in terms of wall as opposed window cuz that is cheaper um and then the same thing potentially in the cafeteria area I do think we want to keep the majority but maybe we do some level in there as well [Music] y all right Tim so no pressure but really pressure when do you think can get that to us um I need to talk with Sean in terms of between the two of us how we what availability we have I think we and Sean you can stop me very quickly if I'm overstepping I think we can have something by the end of this week if not sooner that seem doable between you and I both of us working on it yeah okay all right um thank you for your work though yeah I know it's it's it's hard and I wish I had better to share with you um I don't know D do you want to hear about the world development Grant update for the kitchen sure all right so so Micheline and Steve were working on that um actually I finally got in touch with the lady from cumington and um my noes are on my desk go grab them sure in the meantime um I would suggest a subcommittee to me once those new numbers come in okay right yeah it's not going to change as much it's going to be much than I thought because you're going to still have to put a Sprinkle we have to sprinkle it right and if we're going to sprinkle it that means we have to condition the building which means we have to heat it and we're not going to heat it with crappy windows and you're going to oate it you're going to oate it you're going to put the windows in you're going to put the fiber suppression in so what's it going to be a half a million maybe right so basically what we probably could sell the building building down there for now yeah essentially your your best savings to that end and I'll I'll share briefly um once more um is going to be to if you were to literally essentially cut this and put a wall across right here and not a b not sprinkler not heat or at least not do the new heat in this space and just kind of leave it as it similar to what we're doing scope wise over here that's where you're going to gets a larger savings yep there is savings to be had which I think is what we're going to look at we're going to look at a wholesale of if you were to assume putting a fated wall in right here along this line between the green and the orange what does that look like and then I think the fall back from there is if we strip these spaces down to literally all we're doing is we're baiting it we've got the fire protection we've got the heat we've got the lights and that's pretty much it you have an empty room empty room empty room empty room all right let's see let's see what we get and obviously if we come up with any more bright ideas along the way we'll share those too all right um micheline's back uh yes sorry when I was talking to the lady from cumington we're so far ahead than what they were when they first started um cuz she said at first you need a value engineering I'm like well the value of the building we already have all that we already know what's going to cost us she goes you're way ahead than what we are so she says now we have to do our footwork um doing a state senator state representative contact them um she says get letters um they're going to send me uh information to show like how they wrote their letter to make sure we have the correct information we want to put into the grant um but she says the most important things believe or not is doing the footwork of getting your state senator and State St representative having them write a letter of support e e e e e e e e e e e e e for