a very all right okay the time is 6:32 and with us this evening is Kim vanbeck David assoff uh City Attorney Patrick
Knight myself Mike Roth Bill Lois Ben Peters and Michael Gary and we are expecting Craig shy shortly on that so we'll see um first up this evening we will move on then to open
forum is we have a chair this is kind of funky quarters this evening but is anyone here for open Forum this evening I just okay so um and is that gonna pick
up okay all right yeah so my name is jansy know all and I just wanted to say a couple words on of first of all I want to thank you um as Council for taking on the project of public AR um it's a huge Evolution that
toity I really appreciate that particular years from um and just in research and soth and coming up with a very conclusive plan and we're very serious as as the creative economy collaborative to um to review that and
um so far um we're really excited about it so ly thank you for that and um thank you um today for reviewing um M have's request for public art and um it is our hope in the future that we'll have um
many more wonderful um applications to review and that um we will have some very nice public art in the future to um be very proud of all of us so thank you for
thank you is there anyone else here for open and with that do we have an update this week we talked to John on the phone today it was terrific everything's terrific well except that he's not here that's not
terrific agreed that we missed each other we down with our days so we are in the space now come stop by anytime say hello the doors will be open to the public within a couple weeks the liquor
store is stocking up we have all of the liquor stores Furniture in place now the shelving in the cooler is installed get shipment to put in the cooler tomorrow so we're getting very very close and I
won't steal Chris Thunder I'll just say pay attention to the weekly updates for when we plan on opening the doors there that's my city hall at restore project move on to the consent agenda and um with that we have one additional
Bill to include and hopefully everyone saw that got yeah yeah yeah it's a hack name and and then also remember that design contract for the storm water pound is in there too would anyone like
to make a motion for the amended centen to include that extra B I would make that motion second thank you any further questions or comments about bills or items so that's a half payment and
when's our next one is it like CL we don't know as soon as they send an invoice okay gotcha I would say shortly yeah okay since we already own it yeah well we asked them if they wanted to send with now but their account was not
okay thank you oh said that be it [Music] is all right uh we'll re refresh craigman to where we are at and call Craig yeah good um we've gone
through open Forum got our liquor store project update and now we're on to the cons agenda and did did you see that additional bill that was sent out yeah I did okay and then of course the co-op
storm water design contract and then everything else so we are just ready to take a vote on that amended consent agenda did you have any questions or comments no I just had a question on that shelving for the cooler I
mean did we get bids on that no I'm not sure okay is that just built into that whole design no part of it's not the it's not an amount that we would be required to get bids on this was more of a we knew
exactly what we wanted went out and got that great yeah but did the cooler come with shelving did we get any uh trade towards the shelving it came with or anything like that just wondering it did come with shelving um we sent it back or we're in the process of sending it back
and I'll give you an update on that when I get some more information we bought we bought the shelving inside of this cooler from a different vendor all right I just I was just concerned about like a line item the Freight
item um I don't know if they have any negotiating on that but I was just curious is on the invoice that was just added yeah yeah that there no there isn't it's already installed yeah well I know that
I just um was this a change order item on the lhb project or is this just stuff that we knew we had to buy in and in in as an extra or did it require a change order
we didn't do it with lhb and mcgoff we didn't purchase it through mgov we purchased most of the things in the building we bought this separately okay all right okay all right Craig brether for a
second um I'm going to take roll call vote for the uh consent agenda Bill hi Ben I hi Craig Hi hi and with that unanimous
on the consent agenda thank you okay then moving on to the public art proposal for Park page 36 of your um we received a because this goes first
in front of the um Park Board because this piece of art is um being considered for Park property and it went in front of them mult multiple times and so uh
Dave tarig gave us a bit of a summary on on that um we believe have the artist With Us online this evening Moab is joining us online if you have any questions for him and uh then the
descriptions and whatnot are there uh would anyone on the council like to ask any questions of any or have some discussion items you would like to start with uh I guess for myself I was
interested in I mean since we're looking at this as something that will not last forever for all time um I am wondering about it I I know it's not written out it says we will discuss it or negotiate it or whatever but I am interested in
making sure that we do that to make sure that we've got a plan for what do we do when it's done and how and who's taking care of that and who's going to make sure it gets to where it needs to go in the end um that was one one
I when you say where it needs to go and it's done I mean like you know getting the wood out of there and getting the the stone out of there I mean I know it's all natural stuff and it's all right there it appears from what I can read and understand you know as a l person seem like yes we can take it a
get rid of that but I just want to know that there's a plan for that okay anything else one okay anyone else have any questions yeah I have a question
um when the park board made a decision to utilize Boulder Park um we passed that um
with pending some items that we had in that motion I do not remember all of the items in that motion maybe Dave does if Dave is at the meeting otherwise I do know one item that was in the motion was
um as it appeared uh visually the first discussion we had on it I know one issue I think was um how it was placed in what it looked
like and as a standing uh piece of Driftwood and I think um impression for me anyway I thought it would come back as something a little different um than that I was
anticipating something a little less um prone to being a possible attractive nuisance children and um things like
that um and durability and longevity as far as words it's placed next to the beach in rocks and storm action that kind of thing um as I see how it is projected now it's somewhat different
not as high in the air but relatively the same kind of design so I'm not sure if I I can't really check that box on one
of the things that we had talked about at the first uh parkboard meeting so I don't know um what other items is is Dave at the meeting yes he's here with
us yeah what were the other it on that in that motion I can't remember all of them or how many there were I know that was one of them you oh you mean in at the Su yeah the summary piece that you have the bull points on that's what he's
referring to yeah I have those sitting here permissions from other Shoreline management agencies yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah yeah the DNR the core of engineers yeah they signed up yeah I didn't know if there was I didn't know
if there's any other sorry I don't know if there's any other suggested um comments uh that other Park board members might have had that's my question I don't remember what those all
were it's still with so it is this bullet point yeah so the theing ones then just for everyone's benefit I have this highlighted are safety and liability duration of the installation and the gifting process to the
city okay I had did you have anything else Craig uh no I just wanted to make sure that those were uh brought up um and if anybody else has any other uh comments
I'd like to see what the City Council Members may be thinking okay anyone else well I have questions about um well I guess first I I really am concerned about the height and and
climbing like I just think that that's could be problematic for for kids um I would love to climb that when I was a kid uh and um I'm sure I would have fallen but uh moreover no you wouldn't
yeah probably I would not you wouldn't your skill clim exactly especially low right um but more over Boulder Park I don't think we've had any broad maybe conversation about what we plan to do
with that space at all over the next 10 years um we've had some high level conversations about that use and um to um provide an impediment to what we need to do as a city um
I think that's problematic for me so maybe location and certainly safety is a problem for me all right Bill any comments or thoughts you or questions I think I have the same
concerns about that the occupying that site for a long time with with no clear ACTC strategy when it's done and then just being kind of what you call attractive Nuance I know I would have climbed on
something like that too if it was available talking like you're not gonna climb on it now I think of all the trees around my neighborhood I climbed I don't think kids do that anymore but I was busy in a lot of neighbors
yards but anyways uh okay well um I'll take a stab at a few comments so when people either you know call or write notes or whatever I do read them and we did get um written comments from very people in some of those are very close
to the project um Greg Mueller for instance and an BR bradus and as you usual you know it's not just when people say I like this or I don't like this and none of those were that kind of thing they're very detailed and very conscientious wellth thought out
comments and so I I appreciate that and I read them and some light bulbs went off for me in Reading those so I think that's a good thing and I did appreciate also what we just went through in reading this was your bullet points
because we did need backdrop you know it starts with the park board and we need to know and um you know one piece for me and you you know stated this clearly but you know this was a quorum this was not all five of the park board members because
two of them were not present so we know that it's enough to be a passing but you know we didn't hear from all five of them which you know that's just how it works but you know it's be because they have had a lot of conversation on that sometimes you you kind of wish you had
everyone's full thoughts on something like this this so um but like I I believe as I'm looking at my highlights to this um the things that stand out for me um are what what I've heard from everyone else which of
course is safety and then duration and of this installation and then of course the final gifting process to the city so I highlighted those same pieces which seemed to me the three pieces that is why it's really coming to the city that haven't been answered yet that is on our
plate to answer the the first two um Dave made sure were answered before it came to us so just kind of starting that way with it um and then I read carefully through the material that was prepared for us and you know things caught my eye
like in installed for up to 10 years um I noted the potential locations that that could be for this and then um the other course piece because I am concerned about the safety piece of it because I'm not 10 years old
anymore and I might care um uh because it's all fun when you're a kid right uh then their their engineer brought up some of those same you know highlighted
those same potential risks as well um including our envi our environment and that's actions on it and um so the other thing I I had sent out in case Their audience is interested the
criteria that we've created for selection process I asked that be sent out to the council as well just so they didn't limit their things to just oh I like this or I don't like this that all the factors that we would want to consider kind of is going through their
mind as well and our criteria talks about artist expertise um the design and and about the actual work how is it aesthetic work within our community the financing behind it safety and
sustainability and then Community involvement and sensitivity to so I wanted to make sure that the council was having you know we were all kind of looking at some of the same factors when we kind of considered this and and um
because it's broader I think you know art subjective and so you want to have some objectivity to what you're doing so the the most I think the thing that summed it up was um for me really
helpful was Greg Mueller's comments when he um kind of quit my notes in different places and let's hope I can find this um on here I moved him around and I just
wanted to read exactly what he said but oh here it is this work is not intended to decorate Grand marray but rather ask viewers to dig deeper into how a poem provides a progressive alternative overuse T
nostalgic art or it's it's not oh that's not Gregs anyways Greg's comment is it's not the physical here we're talking about it's not the physical vehicle used to express it it's about the concepts behind
it and that was the light love for me um I feel that the work we're not here because the log and the rocks are an exceptional piece of artwork we're here because some an artist has a vision and
he wants to engage people in a larger conversation and it is a around place and it doesn't really require a log and a rock to do that when I look at all the safety issues in the location I can't go with this because it
feels like we've put up barriers to doing this successfully and it's one of 19 and this is the first one out of the shoot and to me it's not a completed project if all well 20 I guess there's
still 19 to go aren't completed and right now there's a budget of only 15 grand and there's engineering work that's need to be done and once again we have a log and some rocks and I know he wants original or natural
elements but there is just too much risk for me to feel comfortable about this because right now the engineering is not done and we don't know if it will hold up and then we need a schedule to be monitoring to see what the degradation is based you
know storms and elements and it just seems like a lot of work when the real point is to have conversation around the great lakes and the the area and whatever and and I'm even those
comments I'm maybe not even catching exactly what the artist wants to achieve by this exactly but it's not that it's it's not the log so for me this isn't a good way to efficiently get across what
they want to achieve and the other piece to Ben's point and Dave tarig has brought this up as well yeah we have some big planning in the near future with all of that land right through up to the Coast Guard so the chance of that staying in that place isn't real good
based on our timelines of other things we need to accomplish in the city and our planning around that and we also know that Dave I never used the right word for that the metal piecing that runs all along the Sheep piling we know
that the gravel underneath it always is running out and then you're backfilling it so that ends to me another engineering issue about about how that's going to play into place because we already know that's one of the issues
we're trying to deal with now on that area and we've already had some very high level conversations with one of the groups that we have some grant funding for to help us with some redesign just on that even though we know we need a bigger look a much bigger area so those
are the pieces that um caught my eye on something um about this so climbing on the project n natural Decay and structural failure are hard ones for me um based on what we're
really dealing with and what its purpose is seems like unnecessary risk to get a message across which might be really a good one any Craig did you have any further you wanted to listen to everyone else no I uh yeah the other question I
think Dave that's an isn't that the end of the piling there isn't that the area that you fill in every year that spot right there or is it further or is it further uh South I'm not sure it's from the rocks
on South there's a probably a 200 foot stretch there it's not every year but that entire it he rolls out yeah from depending on what kind of storms we get on lake levels and waves yeah yeah yeah okay the Rocks themselves
though the big big rocks that this is portrayed in is that's nothing we've had to modify or it's just a just a loose gravel okay anything further would anyone like to make a motion on
this um I make a motion um based on uh some of the questions that I have that have been answered and not answered I guess and some of the things that you
alluded to Tracy as far as the engineering and the stability of the area I would make a motion not to approve this okay when anyone like to second that I'll second that okay I'm going to take a roll call vote then
Ben oh sorry it was tricky yeah looking at that b b sorry uh I yeah this is hard when it's a negative okay so sorry do I do I have a chance to
make a can I speak to you all I don't know if you all can even hear me or if I'm in the audience I'm just kind of confused about where I fit into the process I don't know if you can hear me maybe I should be typing no we can hear you that's fine um yeah please yeah you
want discussion thank you yeah yeah I mean I I just didn't know where I stepped in um great yes uh yeah I mean so much to share with you about the project and I'm
it's I guess I want to say you know I'd love to know what the process might be you know when you bring a proposal to a a body you sort of really want to just deliver an idea something clear um you know I I would love to actually show you if I can the the original design and
kind of where it shifted to um because I do feel like it was significant shift and I even wonder if you all had before you a giant log that was laying on the ground and you know 90% of it was literally touching the earth except for the parts that the you know roots and
the rest of the stump uh you know didn't um you know if that I'm wondering kind of where in this process you might be able to you know offer suggestions to return uh I feel like I've been trying to be responsive to some of the
community feedback CC feedback parkboard feedback and I just really have to let you know that most important to me is to actually make a project happen not to be you know like myopic about some Vision that I've got all by myself um but it
just has made sense all along to kind of really stick to something that might be you know just have some spectacle to it have some curiosity to it um really capture you know where it kind of sits as far as being a very community based
project but also a regional project and where it comes from in terms of other you know sort of Great Lakes larger thinking I just would love to be able to have the opportunity to respond to some of the points that you made and kind of understand what might be possible again
you know coming back at the end of March if you're like we'd love to you know see this on the ground we'd love to um you know have um Nick laam Mo's engineering plan and um the at the moment it didn't
make sense to offer that level of engineering because I really needed to hear from you all um you know at the time when I went in front of Park Board too uh it just kind of made a lot of sense to get some of that feedback and come back with a little bit more and each time I feel like it's been a really
kind of responsive back and forth I was in front of the C twice I was in front of the parkboard twice I just kind of feel taken back by not having the opportunity to present but instead to even kind of wedge myself into a near vote I just would love to know like is
there room to you know adapt and and respond or you could certainly make changes we can only vote on what we've been presented with so this isn't a time where we're going to sit and
rehash and ask you to make you know what I mean this isn't the time that we would say oh if you do this this is this and mo that and I appreciated the bullet points of and I it would appear from our comments we are all on the same page on
that our concerns with safety our concerns on location as safety also because that location is just going to be struck very heavily by our local environment and uncertainties about where this
project goes because of 15 grand won't get you very far when you need engineering and 19 other places uh that still have to be fulfilled on um that said like one of the things which I didn't comment on but
I made note and made a note to myself was when you said in your comments locations and you listed a variety of things well if you you it's it's up to you to to go back and think this through but you could find another location if
you want to keep your design concept the way it is um if if you're I don't know what the parameters are for you for location if it's like within the county but you know there's other parks in our County there's tofy there's loots and townships
maybe Grand Portage or private property um or maybe there's a resort on the lake I mean I don't know I'm just throwing out ideas for you but that's what you list here is that you could see possibilities
so if if you're married to a certain design concept that doesn't fit for what the city would like then maybe a locations in it I'm just throwing no thank you yeah no thank you I mean it sort of seemed equally fraught to just
show up and say I got a log what should I do with it it you know really just seemed kind of like you got deliver something and then you you revise it and adapt it and the project is so sight specific that you're totally right you know if it ended up um at a place that had a very different environment you
know laying in a puddle you know what I mean each space has its own appeal um it just was so important you know I mean I this is truly just an opportunity to get to speak to you at this level and you know and publicly um it really is so important to have um Civic support for
for public art and it is really easy and and tempting to um you you know work in in the private sphere and SP in private space and the challenges you know um are are big in trying to move things through this process and it's a it's been a really big like an important learning curve for the project because I
definitely you know intend to continue um to you know to other locations and try to build this and um there's a plan for that but you know it does have to start somewhere um and this project actually was conceived like you know 10 years ago um during a a residency at uh
gr maray AR colony and um you know it's it's t it's been such a slow build um and that you know that to me just kind of also for me that means it's also a slow realization like I the rush is really more than anything
um because I have uh you know the state Arts board and MRA funding um which does by the way Encompass all of the fees required to realize the piece I just wanted to make that clear that there isn't extra money needed from anybody for engineering or um you know hiring
contract or anything like that um I've been really lucky to land with with Jim and Nick and other people um so you know I I'm like very very happy and very lucky just to get to actually even have fundings and artists to try to work forward with some of these ideas and um
I hope to continue to do that and you know it would just yeah I guess it would mean a lot to think that this plan didn't work for you um I would so love to come back with something that really does respond to some of the things you said because I I do feel you know in good faith that it's um it's developed
like really importantly through feedback from you know the other committees that you all have locally um yeah and you know I I just I'm not the engineer um and the a wonderful licensed engineer is uh you know responsible for realizing
this planet if you know plan if it ever goes somewhere and you know I I just feel like it's appropriate for it to be beholden on the professionals to deliver the professional um pieces of the project like you know when we when we're curious about the safety of a building
that's being built or a playground um you know there's someone there who is accountable for that and it would really be foolish for me to try to sort of be able to speak authoritatively about something like you know the the um the longevity or durability of of the object that's why I have other team members
hired you know to do that and um I will really try again to you know come before you with a bit more of that information I just really it would really disappoint me to think that you all think trying to you know wedge something in here that's just kind of Reckless it's more that I
am the the the artist and the the project manager and I I do have faith in the people who are working with me and you know even the likes of Dave um you know who's you know been given so much of his time it it takes a lot of people to put something together in in public space and you know um I just really
appreciate being able to have this opportunity and I'd love to continue that you know with you so thank you sure thanks um for you speaking up and sharing that with us I I what I heard through this
and other people's comments was very little about the that was a turning point for me kind of hit me that what Greg said is this is really about your bigger vision and in this poem you want to create and nobody's really made any
comment about that and with that I'm going to say that that means that that's okay that's support or at least is certainly that's not what people talked about and that's what you're really trying to achieve so to me then you if I were you I'd start to focus about what
makes that happen and solves these safety issues um and long-term maintenance and location that's how I would view it and you know because we're we're so busy talking about a log in a rock that we've
lost sight of what you just that you sent since 2015 trying to put together that that's your really important piece and I still don't think I could summarize that even though I read through all the notes I'm still not
sure I could in a sentence or two say exactly what that is really well but um and maybe that's something that would be helpful later but I don't think that's the thing people were commenting on it's
real concrete issues instead which probably with the thinking caps and creativity around you you'll figure it out I don't know anyone else want to come and I'm doing another the chat yeah well that's sure um no I would like to just chime in
say like yeah we'd love or i i as a member here would love to see something else come back I mean I wouldn't say the conversation's over I think the comments to what mayor was saying are not really
about the the heart of the project more about the outside you know those things that we just as a city have to think about that aren't very pretty but they are important nevertheless so I I would definitely encourage you to come
back and we have to take a vone on what we have today right so that's why you know it it lands that way and if something substantial goes then it goes back to the park board again provided it's proposed to be on part property that's you know if you make some changes
that way too or find private whatever I guess that that's for all of you to work on and I think another piece that we didn't say out loud but um when you read a lot of other communities art policies one of the
reasons they're advocating for art public art is they're trying to create that Vocal Point in their Community they're trying trying to create that Community Center meeting place um or place of interest we have it it's the lake and it's the harbor and it's the
walking out there and it's the beach and so every time art enters into that I have to think why are most people there they're there for the discovery like we do with all of our family members and friends and everyone who comes here it's that sense of Discovery even though it's
the hundredth time you've gone to artist point you always feel like you're the one down there exploring something new and so for us art for as much as this community loves art and appreciates art that's not the main vocal of what we need in our Harbor
in a in a back you know that's why we're projective of the harbor as well so but it obviously represents that but any another is this helpful
who are you m absolutely it is you know yeah absolutely and um you know it's like I say it's just it makes sense to me to try to proceed you know with feedback and there's you know it would just be a total shame if this was you
know something that an individual was trying to lay on top of a you know beautiful and wonderful place I mean when you're working with nature and art I I could just so completely agree with you you know so many times you want everything to move out of of the way so you can literally just enjoy the Vista you know sometimes I even wonder about
like landscape painting itself you know rendering that nature instead of just looking at it you know and so you know the project is really trying to sort of hold just a little bit of those really beautiful Sublime natural elements that
we all you know see on the lake day in and day out and use that as a you know a canvas to kind of think about something that's way more ephemeral and um conceptual which is that there are places just like gr marray that are so similar uh and yet so different all
around this region you know and to try to show up to these places and pull some of those Elemental you know those components together um it's a lot stronger I think a move than say if you were you know circling the region and having literal just discussions in the
library um the the the weight the the sort of um visual impact of seeing the same thing in its scale happen 5 10 15 20 times uh around the region you know you you just kind of need to try to work
with as basic as possible of a v of a vision but something that can still have a little bit of impact and you know that's why I was you know coming um with an idea that felt like it wasn't completely um you know something that you can take for granted a log that is on the ground you know for example but
of course I take your point about you know sculpture being necessarily something people will climb on you know just because it's a piece of art Outdoors doesn't mean people are going to leave it alone you know that's just kind of true for any public art you know that we we um encounter in the world so
you have to find that balance so I appreciate that well um to anything else well this was a you know it's really helpful to read as I said everyone's comments because it really helped me focus on what I think is
really the most important piece for you and what you're trying to achieve and I I like Michael think um will'll look forward to see what what you what you decide to do you do have lot of choices
so on that thank you very much for attending this evening and everyone else that attended this evening appreciate it and day for your good Sury come as well to help us do that well and with that we'll move on to
ordinance 2020 sorry I forgot got to okay I got to you right yep you haven't voted yet Craig we get to Craig no okay Craig sorry we're back Craig yeah I support my
original motion okay all yeah all right thank you for that reminder Michael where would I be I do have a question though I want to because I think I think we should talk about it there is a piece no it's okay it's it I think I think we need to bring
it up there is a piece of art down in that location already it's it's the bronze canoe correct and I wasn't I wasn't around when that was placed but I'm curious to find out information on why it was
placed where it was and why it wasn't um front and center right by the harbor you know my what I'm saying you know it's it's down in the area that
moab's thinking about this idea um but it's not like in a walking path it's not in a heavy traffic Zone it is still in the area but it is removed from that type of setting and um there must have been
reasons that somebody had for placing it where they placed it and um even though they put it where they put it it was damaged accidentally by a vehicle and thus we had to rock off that whole parking area and not let anybody Park in
there to to avoid uh destruction of something um I don't know I just was curious about the placement of that bronze plaque and where it was put um I think I
think safety might have been part of it and uh you know Craig I think it was just the artist suggestion okay to put it there in that specific location and I'm sure they had
reasons I don't know that we recorded any of them in our decisionmaking process you could go talk to them I think it's a great example to talk about public art in kind of more General sense and the process of the
city accepting a piece of art and the responsibilities that go with owning a piece of art uh it's a great example that if you want to get into sometime all right thought to bring that up thank you I just it's precisely the reason we want
to create this committee to be thoughtful about these public places that come so that we can get more buying and so more people know follow well that's one thing
you know like I said I didn't I didn't reinvent the wheel on that art policy it came from a lot of other communities but that was a like their Community input process was something had done I mean I thought was a very good one there's a choice of how we handle it but I thought
yeah that g gives a an appointed time to the larger Community it's not that they're deciding it but at least they have a time when they know they can add their input and invoice into it and then you know just a nice criteria sheet and the fact that
all there's a lot of unknowns which for me was I you know and Moab comment on it it just right now so much back and forth but what we're asking going forward is a lot of those things need to be decided before they're brought into to the city or the park board you need to know your
Finance you need to know how you're going to deal with your liabilities your maintenance the full design concept needs to be done and that should eliminate some of this time thing where you're you know going back and forth anyways thank
you everyone it's not like there hasn't been a lot of um a lot of long time part effort on this and it sounds like potentially okay all right thank you all right thanks card on to ordinance 2025
d01 cannabis rule modifications David you are on to help us um so we've added the temperate cannabis events
language but the other piece that's in here because we talked about the way Silver Bay handled theirs with the county and then Silver Bay saying zero so that that is some changed language in here if you want to talk
about it and um then the question is that I remember from this you know that was our whole question was is you know we were told we couldn't do that could we do that
whatever and then I remembered I think this is right David you said if the county lands at zero and someone comes into the city we have to let them otherwise we've you know so it's not a
total not a Prohibition yeah it's also doesn't require you to say no if there's another one in the county just yeah which allows like if things are going well great they're not so the county gets one first and then we get an application we
have the option yeah it's our option yeah which is it's likely like the first one would be oh yeah right we know that but you know who knows I mean I mean there have
been folks looking at locations outside the city that have been doing work to prepare for this sure could very well happen yeah y check that box right we keep an ey
okay so that's most of the changes is on the first page anyway the day we prepared for us and then the rest is language that was worked on by the Cannabis working group in conjunction with County and business
Community talk about temporary cannabis events and this is actually mainly based on work that David you probably did too but certainly somebody at flarity Hood did for a few other cities in Minnesota I have to say it was difficult
to talk about this because everyone's minds are filled with questions about what all these things mean and temporary candidates event is not something that is particularly well defined in statute so everybody's got their own ideas about
what it is you know stock event somewhere in the middle of the forest or is it a small gathering at a local business or is it and there isn't any way to discern so then we have to figure out what might it be and all that of
course is dependent on state finishing their rules anyway so we landed on a few things that we thought made sense um event needs a permit or a license from the city so that means there's going to be some terms and conditions for Ev that that Get Set uh we'll we'll set a fee
for the m they haven't said what that's going to be yet the um there's an application that's required and there's a list of information that we want them to provide to us most of which is statuto listed but there's a few things
that are special uh For Us location and description of sanitary facilities location and description of waste disposal facilities if those two things sound familiar it's because it's the two questions we ask every special event organizer and so that gets to the way we
tried to develop this which is think about how do we handle special events in general how do we handle alcohol related special events already let's try to do this as much similar as we can for these things and then the other uh additional
idea is we want the event organizer to tell us what additional Services their event is going to require and that's somewhat similar to the way that the county does a large special event on through the highway department for instance like the bike race where if
you're going to need traffic control you're going to need emergency services or you're going to need TOS or something you need to tell us that and how you determine it and then we get to decide whether or not we're able to need that need or whether we need a to do something in addition so it's really
scalable that way if it's a small event they don't need anything we look at it we agree they clearly don't need anything we don't have to worry about that issue but if it's a big event where sign ific an local government services might be required or it might use them whether they think it will or not and
we've got an ability to continue that conversation can we limit duration of an event can we Define how long that event yeah I think it's four days that's the one thing that it is defined as in the statute is up to four days which is good
to know so that that also matches the alcohol temporary alcohol permits okay which are one to four day events so it's that way what we also limited was operating hours 10 to one which is again kind of similar to our alcohol
rules um and then we've Limited in the city locations to our commercial zoning districts so you can't do this on at the hospital right you can't do this in residential neighborhoods it only be in
neighborhoods where it's already a commercial area um do the do the setbacks remain the same with the event as it pertains to uh
like a store setbacks from school or uh uh you know when you say commercial Zone yeah do those we don't have any specific language about temporary cannabis events David I wonder if that's something that we would need to
add if we wanted an event meant to be limited by the same buffer areas that our retail stores are limited by yeah thank you I yeah I think language that' probably be helpful to add it's a little bit unclear so the buffers can potentially apply to all
cannabis businesses and a cannabis event organizer is technically a business presumably that means that would apply to the cannabis event itself um but I think that's something you'd probably want to add to the ordinance um for Clarity on that
that wouldn't have been addressed I think in your other or in the rest of the ordinance that would have addressed so the retail businesses alone right mean that points out another confusing part about temporary cannabis events they may or may not include
sales they may or may not include use and so part of the application is they have to tell us whether they're going to include that if there are sales we want to know who's doing it which licensed person is doing it and if it's used we want to know where it's
happening and we've got some extra requirements about that space where it needs to be fenced in and we want to know when it's located and that could be something that I think as these events happen we may change over time what our requirements are for that certainly has
been the case for alcohol there was a time when we required temporary alcohol events to double fence their serving areas um so there's a buffer zone between the fence where people are being served and so there's no handing of things over
and and the idea of a buffer zone from a place where people are consuming cannabis I think there's obvious reasons why we might want to do that also might just be completely impossible to to Really prevent all the effects but a secondhand smoke effect for instance
something we'd look at in terms of the location that they might provide for use uh when the business Community gave feedback on this there there wasn't anybody that was a part of that that was super excited about the idea of smoking cannabis in any of these
areas um and so it's it's hard for me to imagine how that might apply think the other thing is the locations that you might just think of as places an event might make sense probably don't because they have an alcohol permit and there's
not an ability to to serve both alcohol and can this in the same location so if it's a bar that's got an alcohol license they probably don't want to mess with this at all that kind of takes the the obvious spots in my mind
anyway in our commercial zones where you might expect them that to occur and they probably won't but but I mean like b b paddle already does this and is their license different well they they they don't do this because
nobody does this there aren't any event licenses in the state right now there's no event license holders there isn't a process to get manufactur alcohol and THD drinks and they're having events other breweries are too that are
manufacturing Edibles now is that a d so my question really was is that these because it's the low potency versus cannabis right now so low potency there's not an issue with this because that you know they've done two of them
yeah so right now there's not a Prohibition like there are low potency THC in places that are serving alcohol those rules are changing I understand is they are going to change for sure yeah and that's not GNA thing it's not pull
pulling all that separate it all out okay I mean not the low sound like they were going to keep the low potency at least that's what I well what we know for sure they're saying is for places that sell low potency things they can't
also sell cannabis so there is that separation that's going to occur and so is a bar going to still be able to have low potency Beverages and alcoholic drinks yeah it sounds like but they're not also going to be able to do cannabis yeah okay so their events would be as
they are now which is their low potency in their yeah I think some places have probably done what a a normal person would call an event where you invite people to come tell them about the theme and things like that that probably will be covered
by this language but that since this language didn't exist before uh you know come and sit in our backs space and bring your own product and consume and it's legal to do that and you know to bring your own product to a place and consume as long as it meets all the
other statutory requirements and now will we consider that a temporary cannabis event if somebody wants to do that here I'd say yes and it would have to follow these rules and we do know well that's interesting because we've had requests
from um North house with their um unplugged to be able to see they Ser they get a liquor license but they've also wanted to be able to serve the THC beverages too now that would still be
because it's the low potency yeah and I was just thinking there might be other people would want to do but that was just one example I knew of yeah and in that example you know
they were curious about it right and and they would I think prefer that their event continue rather than try to you know go one way or the other on that issue and so whatever rules we want to have I'm sure they happy to they're happy to follow
and I guess I just think because that isn't per se a you know a cannabis it's an event but they just want to have those yeah so it's in the side a little different but still it falls you're going to get EV so now we
have enough to create our applications and and create a written process so somebody can figure out how to read through this or are there did it had to happen yep
sorry I love good yeah we I want to do it we've been using those in unfortunate places through the soul conversation they unavoidable absolutely Craig did you have any questions or comments I would want make
sure you're not left out over there uh I had a qu well when you have a cannabis a event let's put it this way an event does that have to be somebody that's licensed in our city then or can
somebody with a license from somewhere else come in and fill out an application to have you in a cannabis event in grammar they they don't have to be uh licensed locally a retailer to do a temporary cidis event as an event organizer though yeah but the event
organizer license is not a local license it's a state license okay so then they can go anywhere they want yeah and do do that event okay yeah and that's kind of one of the thought processes is going to be a business that's created it would make sense that someone's going to do
this for a business organized temporary cannabis events and bring the show on the road just like music events and other events right who knows well and then at least um they should know what they're doing if they do it enough times you
know would hope eventually there' be an expertise developed about how to make sure they're doing it right I guess that's one positive to that okay anyone else have any questions or comments about the changes to this
ordinance may counil may I just ask for uh clarification on any amendments to I guess this ordinance amendment is brought forward so would you be seeking uh to add language regarding the buffer zones to
section um 11 15.32% yeah yeah that's the sort of thing that if they wanted to pass a first reading tonight we could bring back that final language in a second reading for them to look at he's shaking his head I'm taking that
as it okay good okay so would anyone like to make a motion for ordinance 2025 d01 I would make that motion with the uh ch a second for
that a second all right do a roll call for this any other further comments anything Bill okay Craig hi Michael hi Ben hi hi hi and that is
unanimous then and then we'll look for that change and on that ordinance and with that it's a wrap for our main agenda items and we can move on to council and staff reports um
Craig yeah we had uh a parkboard meeting here on um let's see we went through the golf course uh rates we changed the rates a little bit uh
added a little bit uh increased to um kind of across the board to uh the gulf the golfing prices at the golf course um
uh what else have we talk about um we talked more about what's going on within the uh clubhouse itself the food that we started doing uh try to try to going to work on doing more organized
events to build uh uh more gulfing rounds um uh let's see that's pretty much uh what we talked about U maybe adding I don't know
working on just kind of brainstormed the golf course a little bit about you know having somebody possibly provide lessons up there maybe if there's an interest in that something to offer the public the local public anyway um just to purge the
awareness that we have a golf course and that it is in pretty good shape and it was pretty successful last year even though we had a wet spring um it did do quite well throughout the season and into the fall as did the the W Park
um uh oh we we uh approved some permits uh the art festival for July 11 through the 13th we approved the wooden boort Festival um which is going to follow
pretty much last year's wooden Bo Festival um for the north house so those were the things that we pretty much covered at the parkboard meeting um I don't have the exact specific
amounts and the rate increases that's not another sheet but um typical you know rate increases that we do each year um anyway that's all I have isn't in my memory was I told that
North Point gave a bunch of kids golf passes yeah I think I did read that so maybe that would make sense to to if something like that happened again or whatever to find someone who would help with golf lessons yeah it'd be ni yeah
that's something that I think be nice to work work on you know TR to build that back up again family P I don't know do you have family passes yep okay single couple's
family uh locals or the city local people to get a 15% discount um to try to get local more local people to to gol um so there's a lot there's discounts uh for the local
people of course it's awesome for like 9 course City course there golfer it's awesome that's all I ever hear I mean it's so affordable yeah and and I don't when friends or family you know everyone
loves it to take them up there they're like wow it really is cool so things okay anything else Craig no okay well I'm excited some effort to Great okay
Michael might have up there there you go um yeah so we have a library board meeting um we have had volunteers been doing the gardening out front and we are now going to actually hire somebody because we are running out of volunteers
um it's going to be Al Lisa burns with Tap Root doing the gardening so that'll be great starting this year or this spring um uh the computers that we have at the library are all kind of coming to
the end of their lives they you know five six years old and some of them can't even be updated anymore so we're going to have to replace them um and we took some bids we had three that we got
and they're all fairly close um but uh uh suu Tech here Jeremy wheel was right in there so Le that one our local guy that great help so um yeah so we decided to go with with him for
that um then they've been we've been looking to put in an emergency door or add in an emergency door and we only got one bid for it and it was pretty steep um so we asked Manda she go should
be good a couple of more or at least one more so that we have something to compare to um yeah that's came off this screen quite a bit and and also we just felt like we don't really know what we're talking about it just seems expensive but it'd be nice to have at least one
more there's that and last thing we um had been building a a framework for reviewing the uh director build and going back forth and trying to find it just finding a good
system for doing it we finally got it handed out and feel like we got a good one ready to roll and we're going to start it this fall and that was well we didn't have any planning
zoning uh at North house on the 20th I met with Greg Wright uh coffee last week it was good convers ation I think he's going to come board meeting April early April April 9th yeah
so going to give an update for North house and then um but their annual update their annual update yeah and then um yeah take it back into gear with them and start uh start having some good
conversations again so yeah thanks oh see Arrowhead Animal Rescue I think there's been some back and forth conversation about clarifying the agreement mainly that's been Mike coming
up with with that I think we're making some head uh tree board will have a meeting on the 20th and we had one on the 26th of February and I think there again you can
use the word clarifying trying to come up with where to focus the efforts and the tree planting and so forth or you go for scattering around or if you focus in a a place where you can say here here's
something would change and and made a PO the impact still started my yard don't cool so yeah there's I was reading the not lot of stuff they talk about the you know the way out up on the
hillside you know what do you do with all that dead and dying stuff and you try and make Headway on that or you focus on the business district well where you focus on tree Wells the highway Corridor
how I yes I yeah okay so you continue so you just I think they're they're still trying to to pinpoint where to best put the energies and the effort and the monies
and okay cool anything else no M I've been doing a little back and forth with the Vesta team they're submitting plans to the state for review which is a great sign so looks like
things are moving forward with that Pro Pro which is super exciting I've also had a conversation or two with Joel St John looking at some potential um funding opportunities that the federal government still
offers and U there'll likely be more on that in the future but also that's a good sign that there's conversations occurring about that project as well so things still happening around here we're down at the offices as I've mentioned so all us are down in city hall right now
uh we'll be opening the doors to the public as soon as the liquor store does we still have a few details are working out in the space that you know to be ready for our guests to arrive and if people want to come take a tour let us know really
that's an invitation to anyone who wants to come take a tour just give me a call um and we'll show you space you're going to love it this is a building it's going to serve the public really well for a great great long time so and
it's really exciting to see all the activity OCC in the store as well that space is going to be terrific our staff's going to love it our customers are going to love it yeah we've come to the end of this project and hard to believe it is uh well it's
hard to believe how long we've been talking about it and it's also hard to believe how quickly we went from old build to building just really a spectacular job all the people yeah
involved but was it when did what year did this start was it 2015 well I'd say 2014 is probably the best okay stick aack in the ground but the conversations were older than that sure yeah this this has been yeah long
time coming a lot of people involved in it uh at the mayor suggestion which is a terrific one we're going to invite as many of those people as we can find to the meeting in April join us in that room with us when we get to sitting in
for the first time all those past Council people sure yeah yeah so that'd be neat you know beyond the open house like you should be able to sit in this room too you yeah yeah yeah and the the building has a lot of
um blank walls right now and no hurry but we'll need to talk about what we want to put on them at some point and I don't know who he is yet or what that conversation's going to look like but it's a talk that's occurring to us one of the many that I'm
sure will occur to us as we occupy the space how use it uh last you I already mentioned but I'll be on vacation starting tomorrow I'll be out of the country till next meeting so I'll be in the
office all that all day Wednesday two weeks from now okay um I don't know if Elena Hansel asked for our support a letter of support for soil and water with our state legislators I'm not sure you she
blind copied so I'm not sure if it went to all of you I'm assuming you got it Y and I forward it on but um you know their needs for funding and whatever with the legislature and all their efforts and so they wanted letters and examples you know of work
they've done and so I asked um with Patrick P communication director to help Dave tarig and Shane steel and then Mike you know all the people who have been involved with all the different projects they've helped us with either finding the funding or just getting it all organized you know like we're having a
green roof because they got us the funding um residential storm water you know things and G Gardens right rain Gardens it's Fourth Street and first right that they helped us with some of
that piece on that pill right wasn't that part of there there wasn't anyway could be there's been so many things lot just yeah first East gotcha y ring Gardens that's there there's a
handful of no this is private yards there's a handful of ring Gardens that they participated in oh yes yeah W1 work and just yeah would be no problem for us to come up with a really
authentic we love them letter of support yeah so thought that was important that we do that and we're not the only ones that need things and I think it's important to a part of of each other around all those kinds of pieces too as a group um we had the
Cannabis committee meeting and um might have more to say I mean the main product for me is all the work that you did to get the special events piece added to this I don't remember any other we do or you do it's the biggest
thing on and I'm a flunky and miss the nurer management board meeting but and there's been a lot of emails back and forth discussing um what is our real Authority and our role which has always been kind
of question for me so that should be interesting conversation in mon miss the next meeting which means a trip to to harbers you're down there you should invite them to come use our space for their next meeting they have been here we were the first one oh yeah because
we're doing a rotation and we were the first ones that they came to and because they now they want us rotating through anyways um and I'm happy to report that after the Peters came to comment at our meeting about the
Coast Guard Station and the windows potentially out so I sent our contact James Hilt the note and I was just about saying gosh is he no longer got a job or something and he L her the email come through he'd been out either work or personal whatever but he was catching up
and he said he would contact duth and then we circled in Pat Eliason and he's contacting duth and between them all I think at least someone should hopefully beely secure see what's going on there's some windows out or whatever it might be
and he also confirmed the the same steps he said before that they'll be doing an environmental review in in summer or fall and then um working on the transfer three quarters office
the message wasn't different STS yeah go that's all I got well set then thanks everybody apprciate it thank you oh conversation
SC by the way thanks like that just spell Che when do we get to talk about I really want to talk about this I know we're not talking about this but we talk about oh you and I can talk about it anytime okay right now