And we are live. Okay, we're live. We're live, Patrick. Yep. Okay. Um, welcome to the Public Utilities Commission meeting of May 7th at 3 p.m.,
2025. I will call the meeting to order. Um, we'll do a roll call. Uh, present. I see we have Scott Warner, the wastewater treatment superintendent. We have Charles Hathway, we have Patrick
Mcnite, and we have Mike Roth and myself, Craig Schulty. Is anybody else that I'm missing? I don't think so. Is that everybody in the room? That's everybody. Not much of a question. Okay, we're all here. All right. Well,
um I guess I would call for approval of the agenda as it is presented. Uh um move to approve. Move to approve, Charles. And I will second it. So that
motion um passes. Um and the first item on the agenda that we're going to um have a discussion on is the water pump control. modification.
Um, and I guess uh um we need to do some work to that to let it make it function better. And I think uh Scott may be able to explain that better than what I know about that. Yes. Uh what's what's going on is that
water cabinet control system was put in roughly five, six years ago, something like that. And what we need to do is work a bunch of the bugs out of the system. There's there's things that were never set up properly when it was
commissioned back way back then. And and we've added some new things that we need to bring in. And so, uh, between the combination of fixing bugs that should have been warranty issues, warranty
items years ago, uh, we have to pay for now and then between the the old things and then getting some of the new things brought in, uh, we're looking at roughly a week's worth of programming, uh, Quality Flow put the cabinet in and
they're really the only ones that can program that the PLC that's in there the uh the computer. And so I am asking that we uh we go with up to a week of
programming from quality flow uh for $17,680. Uh and that would cover uh the week of programming, travel, hotel, etc. And also some there's a couple thousand dollars in parts that need to be installed to expand the system so that
we can add some of the new stuff. How how is it that there's only one company that can program? That doesn't seem right. They I mean it's theirs. They installed it, but still it is that is a a valid concern. And what we're trying to do is I want to get it set up
so that way I can do I can do programming from this laptop plugged into their equipment and I need to know what their password is. And so once I've got the password, that opens it up to if
somebody if another company can program those uh proprietary PLC's, then I'll have all the stuff I need right here where they can just take over my laptop and they can go right in and program. Yeah, but wait. I mean, they they set this up and they're not going to give us
the password for it. That that doesn't seem right. They they will when I push them for that password because I'm gonna Well, it's kind of I'm sorry. No, no, go ahead. Uh because we own the equipment and stuff and I um
I know how to do programming on different brands of PLC's. Yeah. And so I want to be able to go in and make make changes. So I need to know that password, right? But that's what's in the way right now. That's one of the
things that's in the way. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just asking. I mean, I totally get that. And they may be the best people to do it because they're familiar with the equipment or whatever else, but it just seems wrong that they they did the installation and programmed
it on on our behalf and won't give us the password or haven't given us password. They haven't given us the password. So, we just didn't ask for it at at this point in time. That's where I believe it is is we have not asked for it yet. And so once once they're up here doing
the work that they need to do because I need to learn this this PLC. Yeah. And so that's going to take way more than what I have time for immediately. Yeah. And so it's it makes it's the most cost effective for them to do what we need to
do immediately. And then as time comes up and small things come up then I can learn how to do the small things. Yeah. This is these are some bigger things that we need to do. And so so is it the case that nothing no changes no reprogramming no modifications have been
made since the thing was originally installed 5 years ago? That's correct. Okay. So, there's probably some upgrades that this gentleman can do that it needs other than just getting it to work
correctly or is there more to it? At this point in time, like uh you know, there could be firmware updates or something like that that we might consider doing, but because this computer is not on the internet of any sort, it's not connected anyway, uh
they're really not necessary. Yeah, that's the other question I was going to ask you is if it was after he's done doing this, if it was connected to the internet, anything that needs to be done to it, they can't access remotely then,
can they? I if I'm saying once we put it on the internet if in in time when we put it on the internet when we when we do the wastewater treatment plant upgrade yeah I want to combine the water plant
SCADA the wastewater plant SCADA and all the lift stations into one uh computer program and then once we get that stuff done which we're talking years from now because we got funding issues to begin with but once that is done my goal goal
is to have everything so that way whomever needs access to it can get the remote access to it. They can go right straight into the PLC's with the appropriate clearances and credentials and all that happiness and they will be able to make changes remotely for us if
we ask them to. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm just kind of familiar with how it worked. When we had the gas station, we had Radiant was a product that they made and you can only buy Radiant from Radiant. you can't buy it from anybody else and so you have to buy it from Radiant and then they only authorize
certain people to work on it and um so yeah, Charles, there is stuff like that going on out there. It's proprietary and you you're not allowed to touch it if it breaks. It's kind of funny how that works. But it sounds like we will be
able to once after these guys are gone. I mean, after they come up and do their work and get get supply the password and you get more familiar with it, we'll be able to make some of those modifications oursel and perhaps another company as well. Could that's the goal? Yes, that
is the goal. Yeah, because it does seem like us over a barrel a little bit. Feels What's that? It feels like that. Yeah. Yeah, it does feel like that. Yeah. What What do they get? It would be nice. Yeah, it'd be nice to have all
these uh points you've made here functioning. Yes, definitely to make your job uh a little easier as far as being able to take care of other things. That that's also another goal. Yes. Yeah. Curious, what do they get for PDM?
They mentioned that on here that this including the pium they break. They just gave me a lump sum. Yeah. For up to a week. And if we do if we only need them for three days, uh they'll bill accordingly. Okay. Okay. Well, that's good. Okay. So, it's uh as I see it, it's
something we need to have done. So, uh I guess I'm going to ask for a motion to either approve or not approve um the $17,680 a week programming to get this uh water treatment plant up to running
the way it needs to run. Um so, I guess I'd ask for a motion. I want to ask one more question before is do in in this kind of situation we push back on the price. So you say boy that's good we need the work done but that seems like kind of a lot. A lot of it really boils
down to travel time and uh uh the uh just the room and board type you know staying at a hotel. Yeah during you know higher demand seasons right? So that's a lot of that
is plus plus the couple thousand dollars in parts that we need to install. So crude math that's a third of it, right? It's between room board and the parts and the rest is the technician's time hourly rate. Yeah. I
think the desire to push back on it is more about shouldn't some of this have been done when they originally installed it? Yeah. which if I felt more confident about that leverage, I'd be happy to try and use it. But I don't think we really have the ability to go back in time and
understand the story clearly enough to say why those choices were made. Yeah. So, I think we've got a good goal in mind here, which is we're going to have the system operating exactly the way we want it. We're going to learn how to change the programming ourselves, and
we're going to gain the ability to do that. Yeah. And those are all good things. We need to have that. Yeah. Well said. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll move to accept the the
proposal. I guess it's their proposal that we're accepting, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's a proposal. It's not really a I mean, that's what am I looking at? A court bid proposal. That's That's pretty That's pretty in a nutshell. That's
pretty much what it's going to cost if it takes him a week. That's right. It's kind of Okay. All right. All right. Well, I'll second that with Charles. And all in favor? I I uh motion carries
to get quality flow up here to do some programming and some work on the water treatment plant for Scott. Um and hopefully this uh takes care of a lot of headaches. Um and we can see things that been going
on. I think Mike Roth has room at his place. So, I think we should just offer to put them up there and save a lot of money. I was thinking just tell them to bring a camper. Yeah, they can parking next to the water treatment plant. Yeah, there's a real
accessible campsite right next to that water plant. Exactly. We'll give them a real good deal. Yep. Since they're going to just fill us back and then they can stay as long as they want. Yeah. Right. All right. I do have a All right.
Well, let's move on to the next topic is the wastewater sludge management. Um, apparently, oh, see, I got the wrong page. Here we
go. Um, I guess that's another Scott uh question. What's going on at the wastewater? And it sounds like you may have got a solution for that. Yes. So, go ahead, Scott. A little bit of background to that. Uh there have been a
couple of sewer extensions that were that the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency approved, but they put some language in there that was kind of uh uh derogatory almost toward the city and uh
for uh how the wastewater staff, how the wastewater plant has been run in times past. And so I it may lead in time to us not being able to do sewer extensions, but we're
trying to head off things before it gets to that issue and we can cover some of the details uh in a bit. Uh so anyway, what we looked at the last couple of years and there were 29 exceedences and
almost all of them are related to sludge handling in the the clarifier. So exceedences of what exactly of our our national or wastewater permit? Permit limits, right? But I mean permit limits on with respect to what parameters?
Sludge. Uh it's total solids. Total solids in the discharge. Yes. That is most discharged to the lake. To the lake. Yes. Okay. And so we we uh reviewed what we're doing and figured out ways of uh
how we can make it uh better operationally for us. Uh the way we adjust those the way the solids is we've got some manual timers that we have to turn dials. And so what I did was I I took
the flow for the day and we want to return that same quantity of flow back into the the biological treatment. So, if we're if we bring in 500,000 gallons of water from the city, well, we want to
return 500,000 gallons back into the biological treatment. And then 500,000 would leave the plant. Okay? And so, so we're always going to have the same amount of liquid going in as going out, but we want to
cycle that same quantity back through the plant, right? Recirculate. Yes. Yes. The sludge. Basically, we're recirculating the bacteria that does the work for us that gets rid of the dissolved stuff in the the waste water.
And so that once the the plant was designed for the normal flows of up to a million gallons and so we can return up to a million gallons in a day and that's what we we try to do. So, as
long as we're under a million gallons, we can manage the sludge very well. Okay. So, let's see. I'm I'm looking at your your memo. Um, amount of time to pump is setting manually by staff. And
so, so then why so I don't get why the there were the exceedences? What what would you say was the cause of the existence? What were we doing like wrong or differently? Anyway, what we were doing differently uh before my time was well
uh previous leadership. Yeah. Uh it was pumping the water pumping sludge out of the clarifiers and pulling it out uh like an hour or two a week. And the way you're supposed
to the way you're supposed to manage those solids is you're supposed to work with them constantly throughout the day. And so that's what the timers are there for. So when I when I first arrived, I changed out the timers because they were acting weird.
Okay. And so I got the timers working and so now we're able to run things more automatically. And the textbook answer is if you pump you pump uh sludge at the same rate that you're
returning or that's the same rate that you're come what's coming in and then uh in time you're going to build up sludge and so you want to pull some of that out. We call that wasting. Yeah. And so you waste some of that material, that
sludge into a holding tank and we deal with that later. That goes up to the century district up to Duth, right? That goes to Duth actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh Okay. So, so just just so I understand. So, you so you fix the
timers and now the timers are operating like on a on a cycle. pull water periodically rather than never or rather than uh once a week, twice a week, something like that. So, this is several times a day now. Is that how it is?
Uh it could be twice an hour. Okay. Depending on flow, I'm guessing. Yes, depends on flow. So, well, as flow as flow increases in the summer, you're going to have to monitor it more. And how does does it does G&G Septic
communicate with you on when they're releasing their product? They does that. Do you need that? Do you I'm just seeing do you need that communication or does that would that help you? That that communication usually doesn't help. It's usually not necessary simply because
they're not giving us uh hundreds of thousands of gallons of water. They might be giving us 20,000 gallons in a day. It's not it's not a great quantity in relation. It's less than 10% of our flow. Let's just put it that way. Okay.
Volume in a day. Volume wise in a day. And what we're talking about today is volume based timing. Yeah. Okay. What Scott's doing different is it's a lot more fine grain control on when the pumps are operating. So rather than one lump sum every week that may or
may not be related to the actual flows that occur, yeah, it's regular monitoring of the flow and adjusting the timing of the pumps on a far more frequent basis to deal with that like the recirculation pumps. Yeah. Yep.
Okay. What what does this mean in your memo? In the past six months, the only limit exceedence was for total annual accumulation in our permit. We are allowed what's called a mass limit. So they give us a certain mass in kilograms
and we have to stay below that number. Mass. This would be mass of CDS discharged. Yes. To the lake. Of total solids discharged. Yes. Right. Yeah. And so we uh because of past practices we exceeded that mass limit. That mass
limit. you hit that limit in September, then it's an exceedence in September and October and November and December. And so the only ones that we have on this list of 29 the past 12 months that were in the past six months are those that
were already hit by September. So what we we're taking that to mean that the changes Scott's implementing are effective that they have prevented us from having any additional limit exceedences. Is that reported? I don't get it. Is
that reported to the Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, Charles. So, there have been limited exceedences recently or not. Not Not Not since past Not since last year is what you're saying. Yeah. And so, with the new regimen, we are avoiding that situation. We're avoiding that
situation. Yes. Yes. And And you would be able to track it probably and say, well, okay, starting in January is annual, right? January. January. So starting in January you say well there's this much in January you know the graph keeps going up right and so you we have monthly limits and monthly reporting
right yes and so one of the limits that they look at on even on monthly reports is your total annual accumulation. Yeah. So they're they're counting an exceedence on a monthly basis. Even if it's a total annual accumulation they're still counting on a monthly basis from
the month you hit it until you're done. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the point we're trying to make is whereas the MPCA's um communication in the permits is a story about this might be a problem on an ongoing basis. We're looking at it
and saying we think it was a temporary problem. It's fixed, right? Through through more just more careful management, I guess. Just a different strategy of how we're managing it. Yeah. And what's the MPCA's attitude at this point? Are they
they going to find us? Are they No. No. No. And they're results based. So they don't have an attitude. If we don't exceed our limit, they're happy. Yep. Yeah. But we did exceed the limits, right? We did. But that, you know, we're reporting on a monthly basis. Now we're not. And so the I mean what we want to
avoid is that what they're suggesting is really an issue on permit you know ex more extension permits that they think there might be some kind of problem related to too much volume too much volume and frankly that's just not the
case even with our plant in the age and condition it is and knowing that we really do have quite a bit of work we want to do in there. Yeah. It's not because of the volume that's going into it. It was clearly because of an operational choice we were making. Yeah. And because we see the results like we
changed the way we're operating. We're no longer exceeding those limits. Yeah. We weren't before. So this is a blip in the radar and we're confident that we've got it figured out. Yeah. And so um so so the extension
issue that's that is a matter of incoming volume, right? So they're like that is to say uh every extension results in additional incoming volume into the plant. It would and
so at some point the the 1 MGD does it's it's you know we bought up against that but we're what what are we right now? I mean what's we're well below one MGD right? So,
we're the the big issue is with with our flows, it all depends on how much water is in the ground. If if we're wet, if if if we have a big rainstorm or or uh the snow melt and a rain, uh then we get a
lot of water coming in, extra water coming in, uh we call that INI, inflow and infiltration, right? In the pipes, in manholes, etc. uh There might be direct connects from sump pumps, uh, roof leaders. Sure. Uh, from
the gutters, etc. Uh, so there's there a whole number of things that could be contributing to, uh, the extra the total flow. And I don't know if you saw the weekly update that was put out. I don't remember part of that. Um well anyway I
had a couple we found a couple of manholes that water is just pouring into them and so I'm going to need to get those fixed so that way it will decrease the the total amount of uh rain water ground water that gets into the system. Did you mention the volume in
the weekly update that we had on a daily basis? I did not. I mean, we were over a million gallons a day a couple of times due to the rain the past few weeks. And that's a regular occurrence in the springtime for us to have some times where we're dealing with over a million gallons a day. Yeah. Because of inflow
and infiltration of pretty clean rain water. So, it's a totally different issue than suspended solids getting into the lake except for the fact that exceeding a million gallons a day makes it harder for us to handle the sludge. Doesn't bring more sludge into the plant though. It brings more clean water into
the plant. Right. the um typical amount that we're dealing with is about half a million a day or less. So middle of summer, even high tourist season, even high tourist season, the volume is not the issue. I mean, the the ability to deal with the the solids is more today
than it was 10 years ago, but still that's not really the the issue. Um, and what the MPCA's concern about exceedence is it doesn't have anything to do with the volume that's coming in or or adding more customers. Yeah. And I mean they do
have a point about INI that any system has to deal with that and we don't you know we're constantly working on that issue but adding new pipe and new customers doesn't contribute to that. That's good tight not leaky stuff,
right? It's the old stuff that where we find the issues. Yeah. No, and my question was mainly uh are it are we near that 1 MGD limit on account of additional extensions or extensions that
we're foreseeing in the future? It sounds like not not not right. Yeah. The plant was built when it was last reconstructed for significant growth in the community and there's been some growth in the community but not
significant yet. Yeah, there's room for more growth. [Music] Okay. Well, thank you, Scott. Well, go ahead. No, that was uh I'm glad you're working hard
to to clarify that information and get that fixed. That was uh good to have you around. I guess for sure it is good and it's a good thing that that this was brought out like we wanted to talk to you about it
because uh we want to make sure that everybody understands what's happening here. everybody, you and the public and everybody else that we don't see this as a systemic ongoing problem. This is a operational issue that we Yeah. got a
handle on now. Yeah. I'm just curious. Do you have to communicate with the PCA? Is like, hey guys, don't worry. We got this under control. How does that What happens there? I am I am in communication with uh our inspector. Yeah. And so she knows she knows the
things that we're doing. Yeah. It's like good good for you to control. Good. Yeah. It's always We still get to submit the report every month. Sure. Yes. Either we exceed or we don't. And we do not.
Yeah. Good communication with the state is always a good thing. Yeah. For sure. Um Okay. Uh well, thank you Scott for that um information. The other uh item
we have is uh any other items I guess uh if Charles has any other items or if Mike has any other items. I do have one that I would like to bring up but um go ahead. Anybody else has any? Yeah, I don't have anything at this time. Nothing here. Uh just a couple of
minor updates. Um the wastewater plant or sorry the water plant roof is in the process of being redone. Oh yeah. Uh they need to uh the new rubber membrane is put on and we put in lifting eyes so that way we can remove the two raw water
pumps and the and the three finish water pumps. And so I worked with the engineers to get those lifting eyes installed as and how to do it. And then uh the roofers we had because we had to go through the ceiling out into the air.
And so the roofers were able to I coordinated with the roofers so that way they were able to put the new membrane over the top of the the uh the bolts essentially. And so now we're ready to to remove a couple of pumps that are going to be needing to work be worked
on. The lifting guys are inside the building, but you're going to hook a chain to them, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. These pumps are about 18 feet long and we have we have about 13 feet of working room. So it needs somebody
skilled in pump disassembly and coordination to be able to lift the pumps up, take them apart, and then still be able to get the bottom part of the pump out and then set the rest of the pump out as well.
Yep. Yeah. And this you're talking about down at the plant, right? Down at the water plant. Yes. Interesting. Well, that's a good that's a good uh improvement. Seems like Yeah, that'll be it'll be a good improvement. You know, uh two of the pumps right now
pump uh the ones that feed the filter, so they take the raw water out of the lake. Y um two of them together put out the same amount as one pump when it was new. So, we're the pumps are have about 50%
uh efficiency now. Okay. Why would that be? Age. Just wear out. They're just worn out. They spin slower or the impellers are impellers are worn out and they're not The impellers impellers have lost their efficiencies.
Yeah. So, that's is that on the docket to to replace those? Yep. Rebuild the pumps or re Rebuild. Yeah, rebuild the pumps. Yeah, we've got a spare that we're going to install. Take one of the old ones out and figure out if it's rebuildable and do that. Yeah. Wasn't the story that there was a spare been
sitting there for 20 years and never used or something like this? Um not sure how long we've had it and I'm not even sure if that was what it was for, but I I didn't hear that. Where the What's the origin story of our spare pump? I it was it was purchased when the the plant was
redone because I've got drawings for all three of the the raw water pumps. Well, that's more than 20 years. So, it's been sitting there for 30 years. Yeah. Yeah. And we checked it. Everything spins freely inside that that spare pump. So,
it's in good shape. It should be. Yep. It should be. Yeah. So, put that in, pull out the other one, see if you can fix it. Yeah. And then figure out what's next. Yeah. What um just while we're on the topic, what was the
uh how did things turn out with was lining the filter chambers and reigning? No, reigning the uh channel, right? Yeah, we reigned the influent channel. Yeah. the incoming channel and that
worked good. It did not catch all the leaks. There are leaks that are in the the rest of the filter and so we are going to need to do phase two uh in time. Um I'm kind of leaning towards uh
winter of 26 because we are going to need to pull the sand out of that filter. We're going to need to inspect the under drain system. And I'm I'm not sure what that's going to entail. And then we'll need to recote
the in we need to repair and then recoat the the rest of the filter. The inside of the filter. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll need to have a period of time where we can be at half capacity while we figure out again what we need to do. Yeah. Which in the winter time is totally doable. Yeah.
Unless somebody wants to fill up the YMCA pool. Even then, they just have to coordinate with us. Yes, even that. Yep. In fact, uh the Y did do some work on that pool within the last month and
uh they were filling it about 35 or 40 gallons a minute and we we had no problems with it. Yeah. As part of that Yep. part of that operation. So, yeah. And there's two filters, right? Two
scent filters. There's two sand filters. Yes. But is this one of them that seems problematic? Uh, one of them seems problematic. U because they share a common center wall, water can go both directions. And so that center wall will
need is part of the original filter. And so it will need to have some work done to it to seal it up both sides so that way we don't have concrete issues in the future. Okay. Thanks for the report.
Yeah, thank you sir. Um the only issue or not issue the only other uh topic that I I guess I'm bringing before the PUC and maybe I don't really need to but I think maybe it's more of
a city coordination with the park board. I guess um we did have our meeting yesterday and uh a member of the Lions Club came before us requesting the possibility of looking
into increasing the amperage of the downtown um uh what am I trying to say? Downtown charging station park. The Harbor Park outlets for Yeah. Harbor Park outlets.
Um there apparently last year was a problem with not having enough amperage down there and I don't know if um if it's part of the city to look I mean maybe we should look at that is what what can we do as our staff
to if we have to trench and put in new I think they got a quote for doing it but I don't think it ever was uh uh matched with another quote or what the city can do. But apparently there's a need to add another 200 amps
so that when everything's down there in the during fisherman's picnic or even perhaps when we have music down there. I don't know if the 200 amps that we have is enough. I don't know. Mike might know and maybe you've talked to Dave about this already. I don't know. But I just
as a I think that you know what's the role of the utilities commission in this conversation might be the way to go today. Right. Right. And just the utilities commission looks at the outlets and the connection to the park
as a customer like the campground as a customer and we don't typically do the work behind the meter for a customer. Um that's the simple view of it. the question that you're asking about what can city staff do to help then utility
staff regularly assists with excavation projects whether it's a utility project or somebody else's project because they're our most experienced operators and so there's a possibility that we could use some
utility staff to assist with that trench currently Dave and I think it's probably best not to use city staff to do that. had to be a pretty complex place to dig with a lot of underground stuff in the park right now. But, uh, we're open to
the idea and and we'll keep looking at it and figure out what's the best way to do it. Um, we we still think it's worth spending a little more time, uh, evaluating the current plan for how much power and where and make sure that makes sense to us before we start digging
holes. So, but we'll have everything uh ready to go either way by the time that the uh fisherman's picnic is going to happen. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted to bring it up like I I do not know the details where
the power needs to be or where it's even coming from. I don't know where the Yeah. the line if it's even if what's there is uh adequate to add more uh uh adjoining outlets or not. That's not even I'm not I don't I don't I'm not
what the but I just thought I'd bring it up. Providing is we've got primary power to a transformer in the middle of Harbor Park and we've got plenty of there's no way you could use as much capacity as we can provide there. Okay, for Harbor Park needs. So this is really just an
electrician question. Is the service sized adequately? Are the outlets sized adequately? Is the system designed that way? And that's not really what our line workers work. They don't do that kind of stuff. No. Yeah. No, I know that. I just thought
we dig holes. We bury we bury wire and that's a big part of the project. So, yeah. Right. That's kind of what I thought. Okay. Well, anyway, I just thought I'd bring it up. it was a concern and it looked sounded like it was an issue last summer and you know as more and more things come in there and hook up and do what
they do for that uh um consolidated weekend there's bound to be issues if we're underpowering stuff and um seems to be a need to at least seriously look into it that's all. So yeah and that what the park board looked at that plan
will handle it. So we know that we have a plan that can get this done. We just want to make sure that isn't too much or it's in the right place and just spend a little more time making sure that we like the strategy before we go with it. But we're confident that we've got something that'll work for him. Okay,
good. Well, that's all I uh who does plan that. That's all. If it's not if it's not the city utility the park really like what or the city like what this is a city outlets right in a city park and so it's just like at the
campground the park board talks about well how big of of service do we want to provide campsite number 20 y and in this case it's harbor park well how big of a service do we want to put in those outlets so that's a park board conversation who does the planning typically hire a consultant we'll hire
an electrician to help with a question like that Yeah, like who? Like an electrician. I mean any local electrician can handle that question. Oh, really? Yeah. Can help. But our guys, our guys are not qualified
to do what's that's considered low voltage. Um, you know, electricians can't work on the voltage that our guys work on and we're not allowed to do the wiring that they do. So, that meter is kind of that crossover where we stop and
they start. I see. But the concern the concern that was brought up is that there's not enough power for like all the food trucks and whatever, right? You know, a bunch of 20 amp connections and people want to plug their 50 amp truck into it. Yeah. Or
even, you know, a multitude of trucks that are fine in the outlets, but when they're all running at the same time, it's too much for the 200 amp service. Yeah. That that's And that's happened last year. So, Yep. So, what happens? A fuse blows or something. Yeah. Yep. It
goes down and then they got to reset it and Yeah. Yeah. It's under it's under amped for what's actually hooking up at that particular moment. So there's just been a lot of growth in the size of connection. Yeah. That wasn't really anticipated 20 years ago
when it's got to be food trucks mainly, right? I don't know what else. Yeah. And a lot of these food trucks if they're not using propane or gas, they're using electricity. So those types of trucks require a lot more
uh amperage than the guy who has everything running on propane. So I guess that's part of the problem too, I guess, you know. So okay, well that's all I have. Um I guess I want to thank Scott Warner
for all the good work he's doing at the plants. I'm glad that he's finding all these uh finding all these things and working on them. It makes uh makes things work better for the city. Thank him for that
for sure. Y that's all I have. So, uh I guess meeting can be adjourned. I'll move to adjourn. I think he just adjourned it. Wait. Thank you. Thanks, Craig. Yep. Thanks,
guys. Take care. All right. See you, Craig. Yep. Yep. Bye. Bye. [Music]