Sorry, we're rolling. Okay, it is 6:31 and with us tonight is city attorney Gavin Cuff.
>> Sorry, I couldn't see the >> see that very well. Uh, that should be everyone online, I assume. Kim Van Beck, Mike Roth, Patrick Knight, Michael Gary, myself, Bill Loves and Peters, and Craig Schulty.
And with that, we'll move on to open forum. >> John's here for item later. >> I figured that. Yeah. >> All right. So, with that, open forum is complete. We'll move on to the consent
agenda. And I would um I'll just mention it right now. You may have noticed some changes to the agenda. It's stuff that I've talked about for quite a while and it is also from some of our comments before. There's a few more things we're
going to do too um to to change around the agenda. And some of it is just to make sure that things that we are still working on do not get forgotten or we thinking about them or they're on, you know, see where they're at. Um,
and then also things like me forgetting to say, "Hey, Mike, what's your report?" And then just going on about my very business. And um, I looked at about 12 12 to 14 other cities agenda schemes to see if I could learn anything different
or whatever and what was sort of more common. There weren't a whole lot that was much. I also looked at the league sample suggestions, but new business, old business is common. It's what the EDA does as well. >> Um, and then I just thought before we
just said approve consent agenda, but this is an opportunity also to amend or add items to it, whatever. Or if there's items you want to talk about and you don't want them on, just the consent agenda, we can move them up and roll them down, things like that. So, um, and
if anyone else has any other suggestions or things, the other things that I've asked for and Patrick will get on next time is at the bottom that our two primary um, city goals for the year just sit there in very simple terms. So, that kind of stays top of mind for us as well
as we talked about the importance of that. >> Um, so there you be. Um, and with that, would anyone like to make a motion for the consent agenda? >> I would make that motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Any further questions or
discussions? And please note the county's hazard waste mit hazard mitigation plan that is done by um my keyport is the leader on that. It's done once every five years, right? Mike
and I were at the meetings and and went through all of that. So, it's we have said we're okay with it, but um it's part of what allows us if there are issues or problems to get FEMA
involved, things like that. So, um anyone So, we're good. >> All right. All in favor for the approval of the consent agenda as is. >> I
>> All right, we'll move on to new business. Then we have our board appointments and our council appointments. >> Um do we do like the citizen appointments
and then approve those and then our council appointments? Um, whichever you'd like to do is fine. Patrick, that Excel sheet's not in here, right? >> If you click on the board packet link
>> of a there as well. >> Okay. >> There. Oh, there's a link. >> There's a link in the Yeah. >> Oh, I see it now. Okay. Thank you. >> So, we'll do that first then. I could make a motion for the citizen
appointments that we have. >> Oh, so go the other direction. >> Yeah, since they were first and Okay, >> they're in there. We have our two. >> So, I would make a motion to approve those citizen appointments of Beir for the library board and Steve Aldrich for
the park board. >> Anybody like to second that? >> Yes, I'll second. >> Okay. Any further questions or discussions? Okay. All in favor of the two board
appointments. I >> um the other two remaining ones, I think we should do some kind of communications on that. Get some interviews, get something out there besides just our weekly. >> Yeah, we got to track down some folks.
>> Yeah. Or if someone knows some people they want to talk to, but we need to be a little bit more active. I see the county has some openings as well, including their planning commission. >> Yeah. >> So, um, >> but those are by district, right? So,
>> I don't know that. >> Is that not true? >> I don't know. I'll just >> Anyone else know that? >> Or which >> if the county's planning commission, is that by district or is it just to anyone in the county? I guess I assume that they did it like
if you're in the first second I don't >> we don't have district >> but we wouldn't necessarily be >> I think it alert >> okay so then we'll move on to the
council appointments I this is the Oh okay so this is the one you Patrick. >> Yeah. >> All right. Cuz that's the one with the mistake. The one I sent you does not have me. I'm I'm not part of
the ARDC board. That's Michael. That's what we were trying to get corrected the other day. >> Gotcha. Okay. Let me >> Wait. The ARDC. >> Yeah. >> I've got Michael on there. And the one I'm looking at switched it. It's
amazing. >> Magic. I know. >> It's so magical. >> Um, and then did we get that food board added here for >> It's on the bottom >> without any
see that here. >> That's on mine on the bottom, but not in yours. >> Let me see. So, you're saying >> Yeah. Um, >> what would you like to call that? Food board,
>> food access council, I think. >> Cook County Food Access Council. >> That's right. Christina Madson. Oh, what is that? about that >> and they've you know first of all part of this whole conversation is are the you know do we want to review all these
are these all necessary things we should be at and so we're not at that one but we should have a conversation about it we're asked to be at it maybe we should I don't know and I don't remember either at one point Arrowhead Transit asked to have a
community member on hope there a meeting too and I don't I don't remember outcome. I believe it was that we or either that or it was >> I didn't hear that second one transit you said.
>> Yeah. At one point Arrowhead Transit when they were going to reorging and whatnot they had asked if someone from the city could please be on there and help them. And I have this feeling that maybe that was Katherine that was asked to Carlson that
was asked to participate with that but uh I don't know. Anyways, that's and I have we got heard anything from them at all. >> No, >> I don't know what where they're at either. All right. So, yeah. Kunia Food Access
Council. Um how do you want to start this conversation? review any of these or it's going to be like playing cards and see who wants to switch or >> or keep going do this.
>> I guess my thought would be that we would just roll with what is. But now would be the time of year when we would switch if somebody was like, "No, this isn't." So, we should assume that everybody's going to keep going unless they're
discouraged from keeping on going in whatever they're doing. Um, but I don't know. I don't know. >> Seems like well these are >> if somebody's overwhelmed with something
and and I can I can pick up a um >> I can pick up something. >> Um >> if that >> Sure. >> So it's the local emergency preparedness. We just don't have anybody for that. >> No, that that's Bill
>> on mine. It doesn't say anything. >> Mine's blank. >> Okay. Bill that last >> does now. Oh my eyes. >> What? >> Right. I don't know how often you like meets, but >> Well, that's one of those ones where
I don't like these Zoom meetings that happen in the middle of the workday. It's really hard for me to pull off. >> Yeah. >> Are they all Zoom? They don't meet in person >> or just that was just the only option for you was to
>> I think they're mostly Zoom. Yeah, when I went to those usually they just they didn't bother to all go to the courthouse and I don't know if that's because they're so scattered like Mike's usually out in Portage. >> Mhm. >> And other people are other places as
well, but they also didn't meet very consistently either. >> So, um, >> so do you still want that? I can pick up a Zoom call. >> Yeah, go for it. >> Okay.
>> Um, would you be interested in the Northshore Management Board? >> What do How does that meet? >> No, that is We are just finishing up a huge bit of work and I have a meeting tomorrow because we're redoing the plan
and that will be coming to the city and we have to relook at that. we have to look at in terms of our planning and zoning. But it's a quarterly typically a quarterly and we meet in the evening. So tomorrow night for instance it's I think 6 to 8 and we're trying and we locations
vary up and down the shore but if you have to we'll include a link too but like tomorrow night I was supposed to be down in the Duth Township. I'm not going to for a bunch of reasons but um that's where that'll be. We were here not too long ago. So, two Harbor Silver Bay, we
just kind of rotate. Um, probably go up to Portage. So, if you're interested in that, um, I'd say there's a lot of crossover between the planning commission and the Northshore Management Board, too. So,
might make sense to have a counselor do both. Um the the one thing and and I'll tell you where they're headed now and this plan is complete. One of the larger items they're going to be focusing on is their future, how to be financially solvent
and what purposes they're going to have going forward. Um they don't want to give this up. We are the only lake shore in the entire state which has its own management board. Everything else is run by the DNR and it's not something that
they want to give up and they shouldn't. That said, and we've spent just a little bit about time about um figuring out other other they've always kind of been in the background. They shouldn't be
>> and um and then also some financing because usually they just do it based on fees. So the city pays a fee, everyone pays a fee and the ARDC does all the behind the scenes. But >> well, I'd be I could be an alternate if you did want to take it. you couldn't
make something because it sounds like if there's travel involved then who knows what. >> Yeah. My I guess one of my obstacles is >> rotating call for one week at a time every third week >> and you can't be far away 15 minutes.
>> Okay. I mean I can keep it if no one wants it. The other thing is we can't delegate this. I'd love to like say, "Hey, Shane, maybe you'd be interested in this, but we have to have a elected official." And we also are running into problems with quorums. So, we've had a
really huge conversation about attendance. >> So, priority. >> Yeah. So, however you guys want to do, if you want to think think about it and come back and we can move on to something else. Anyone else have some changes they
want to make? I'm curious about the the food access council really say anything more about it look it up >> I can I don't go I can forward you the
emails I get um >> but you think somebody should be there >> they they have asked for somebody from the city and of course like we had this in reference to Bill with um the active living steering and that you know they asked for this
and we explained that you do this during the weekday you have fairly long meetings and it for most of our council you know we aren't >> really set up to do that. Granted, she sends out good agendas and very good
notes, so we can track things and if there's something, a topic or whatever, we could certainly prioritize going there if we don't feel we can make it or if it's something you think you could do. Um, but I believe like all of the all of those other ones she runs,
they're do they're due during the day. I look at the um so you want to think about that too. Can't see what time they met,
but it's not in the evening. I know that. Okay. Or there's a question. Do we do we care if someone goes? Do we just want to walk, you know, get this or monitor it?
>> Yeah, I I don't think I could take that on another daytime. Yeah, for me like the treeboard and animal rescue work very well because they meet in person in the evening and with the treeboard they hammered out the
time and date, you know, in the previous meeting or leading up to it. So you could select. So it was always at a time where everyone could make it toward the majority,
you know, usually later in the day. >> Yeah. Okay. The meeting last week for the food access council was at 1:30 to 3. So an hour and a half. I think they have a regular time. I just haven't paid attention to it. But yeah,
that makes sense. You got stuff that works for you, your schedule. Okay. >> Yeah. But but like the say the active living one, it's like a two-hour zoom like right in the midm morning part of the day and that's
a hard spot for me to to sneak away from. >> Sure. Um, is is this a deal, Mike, where someone on staff would just be getting these agendas and meeting notes and then
seeing if there's things we should be >> sure that I' recommended. I'm not sure what the value they're looking for us to add is to this group. So, might be worth us going to a meeting or two and >> see if we can figure that out.
>> Kind of just watch what their items are. Yeah. >> Okay, that's good. >> All right. Um, you got Airhead and the Rescue. We don't have anyone for CC Club, right? Do they meet? I think they must. They have a director, right?
>> I don't believe so. >> Oh, they still don't have a joker. >> Not sure. >> All right. Would that be something Shane would go to if they did? >> He has been. Yeah. So in terms of we've got that connection at a staff level
still. >> Okay. >> I don't know that there's been anything where you would need to go for some time and they can always come here and talk to the whole council if they do have an issue. >> Okay. Downtown Business Coalition. I've
been going. You've been going very regularly, Mike. >> Yeah. Now that they've eaten our office building, it's kind of easy. I like that. >> See you. And some people dial in too. I do too sometimes. >> Um unless someone has a huge desire to
go to those. >> Um Ben North House. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I mean I can stay on it. They they they changed their meeting times which now it favors my attendance. Uh which would be helpful. um you know been that
frequently so that I'd be happy to sit out >> okay >> and you know we've been very silent about this but we still have that future lease conversation coming up and we do need to get it refocused on and I don't remember it's what year is the end of
that it's fairly soon right >> no um >> I thought it was in the next couple years >> it's in the next couple years >> yeah we're good >> 29 29 And I'm not sure I'd say it's the end of it though. >> May not be.
>> Yeah, that's it's Yeah, it's an autorenew. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's why we need the conversation before it just becomes an auto renew. >> Be happy to to put that back on the on the front burner. >> Yeah, cuz that's something we've all
talked about and started working on and then it's been silent for a while and it shouldn't be something we wait until it gets to that point again. uh community leadership. All of you are invited to that. Um hopefully the um invite list is now cleaned up and should
be current. Let me know if you don't get those meeting. >> Okay. >> They're trying to have them all be in person now. Just they they want to be meeting and and everyone's taking turns hosting. This past one I could not attend. I was out of town, but they were up at the hospital. >> Okay.
>> And so everyone's going to take a turn leading us and locationwise. Um, Jana Burkus sends out those invites. Um, okay. That brings us to Cook County Parks and Trails, Craig.
>> Yeah, >> that's fine. >> Yeah. >> And and the new contact, which is on my copy, Patrick, is is actually Neva. >> Okay. >> Um, Parkboard Craig. >> Yeah.
>> Good. Okay. Uh PUC. >> Yep. >> Yep. Okay. Uh safety committee. That's is that more of an in-house one, Kim? >> Yeah. Who's on that? >> I don't know. >> Yeah.
>> Are you on them? >> I am. >> I went to Well, I don't know if you Yeah. You guys do them during the day. That guy that guy comes up. Well, not all the time, but your safety man from the state comes up.
from MMUA. >> From MMUA. >> Yeah, it's monthly. >> It's like 10 o'clock on Wednesday mornings. The last Wednesday of the month usually. >> All right. >> I can do it if you can. Wednesdays are
pretty good for me. It's up to you. >> Doesn't matter. >> Want a backup then? And you want like bend back up? I like that. Bend back up. >> I knew that. I am that guy.
>> Um, and you are going to be ARDC as you have been >> and library board. >> Good >> and plan commission. >> Is the Y advisory deal meeting? >> Yeah, that meeting has changed a lot
>> in terms of when and what's the composition? I mean, you know, what is its purpose? That kind of thing. So, it's changed a lot. Um, and I don't know, and now my wife is going to be the executive director, >> so I don't know if I should keep doing
that. If that's fine. Their council said it was fine on their side, so I said, I don't know, but >> Okay. So, >> it's probably fine. I don't think the board actually has any authority. >> We don't I mean, they're just reporting to us like
>> Yeah. So, it's probably useful to have that inside like >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. And they want to hear from the public, too. So, there you go. So, is Janet still the right contact then or is is it >> I don't actually Well, it hasn't >> been her anyways.
>> I'm trying to think who it is now. I'll have to give you that. And the ARDC one is also incorrect, but I don't know who that is. A little old, too. >> Oh, yeah. It's great because Justin's been gone for a couple years. >> All right. Uh, yeah. So, J. So, we need to get all the contacts current.
>> I'll give that to you, Patrick. Okay. >> And um I'm going to say that for the CEC we don't need to >> go to those >> okay >> anymore. They don't invite me. There's
no reason that Dave has to go. >> So they did ask me to make just a few edits and changes to that policy which I promised them I'd look at this month. But I think that's it. So I'm going to let that be. I will follow up with them though to make sure they've formulated
their structure a little bit and become a formal group before we continue to ask them to do what they're doing. I'll let that lie for a little bit. Uh I stay with the EDA. Um
so back to the North Management Board. Is anyone just >> I can do it. You like to do that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I'm not going to go tomorrow, though. >> No, I will because I we were reading and proofing everything. You wouldn't want
it. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> And so, >> they're um going to We talked about having a better onboarding. >> Awesome. >> So, all right. Very good. Um
local emergency. Oh, we went through that. Okay. And the personnel committee I think we're good with. And it's okay. You said Bill with the tree board >> and we're going to let staff take kind
of monitor the food access council and the active living steering committee. >> We're all set. Would you say Clayton Beck is the right contact for the Nordstrom Management Board? >> No. And that's not what's this is not the This must have been your list,
Patrick. Yeah, I'll give you the other one and I will let Travis know tomorrow night at the meeting from DC >> email on the matter >> and um so that they I send those things out to you, Ben. Um,
do you know um Weey Leblanc from Silver Bay or Leblanc? >> Who? >> Wade from Silver Bay. LeBlanc >> Barber. He used to be >> the whale. >> Yeah. >> Oil.
>> Oh, okay. He's been the chair. I don't I suppose they're going to re I don't know if they're resetting or not, but Okay. Well, mission accomplished. Um, I like the nursery management report. I just really It's getting to be a lot less stuff.
>> So, and it's super important, but it's a good time to do that. All right. Thanks, everyone. >> All right. Then we're on to the third street improvement. The draft acting mayor first. >> Oh, I'm so sorry.
I would nominate Craig again. >> Unless he doesn't want to do it. >> I'm fine. Good. >> Okay. Everyone in favor? Craig is acting. Mayor >> All right. Thank you, Craig.
>> Thank you. >> Do we miss anything else? >> Okay. >> Now, what you've all been waiting for. >> The fee schedule. >> The fee schedule. Oh, I am so sorry. >> Yes, the fee schedule.
>> The fee schedule. But isn't this We're just putting in the statute. Isn't this what what we're allowed to do? >> This is um when we recodified a few years ago, all these were kind of spread out the previous version of the code, >> okay? >> And now they live in this section called
chapter 36 fee schedule. >> So, we're doing two things with this ordinance. One, adding cannabis fees. We added these registrations uh to a cannabis regulation section, but we didn't include the fees. Now we're
adding them. This is uh for the cannabis registrations. What we are allowed to charge >> for the low potency hemp. It's not as much as we could charge, but it is matching what is charging. >> It is matching what >> what the county is charging.
>> Okay. So that's the first thing that's happening is adding that section 36.05 and then renumbering some of these other ones after it. But some of the other ones after it are also being modified. So all the planning and zoning related
fees which have not been changed in um sometime >> are are we're increasing those numbers. So you can see everything that used to cost 200 costs 300 now. So that's our variances, our conditional use permits,
our um zoning amendments, and then things that used to cost one are costing two, a little bit more. Then the building permit fees, um which used to cost from $35 to $250, would now be
from $50 to $500 depending upon the square footage of the project. Pretty modest. That's a quick summary of the changes that I'm proposing. Uh we last time we changed we actually tried to do a uh this is how many hours of
staff time and everything else per um these fees would be higher if we did that same analysis today. Higher than what I'm suggesting they are. >> So I think this is just a more of a habit building exercise than trying to make these fees exactly correct. They
haven't been increased in a long time. they probably should be. We don't want to increase them a whole lot uh because it's not we haven't really talked about the policy behind what the fees ought to be, but we do want to have a review of this ordinance on an annual basis. So, we're going to add it to the list of our
first meeting in January. Just a quick review. And this since this is done via ordinance in our code, it'll take two readings if you want to do it. I suppose the last thing that's happening is I'm suggesting we remove the fee for dance permits because we haven't actually I
was going to ask about the dance permit. >> A dance permit. Um well, not in the 25 years I've been here, we haven't done it. >> We've missed a big money opportunity. >> There we go. >> When the city had its own >> Yeah, that's right.
>> police department. I think maybe there was an idea that if there was going to be some sort of dance happening at a bar, it might require additional I don't know. The story makes no sense to me, which is why we've never done it. I don't think there's any code in the ordinance other than right here that he
talks about advanced permit. So, it's time to go. >> Okay. Well, then >> and if we do I don't remember how that resolution worked. If we do get our church stay application process, um will
that actually be picked up through the county then or would we do that and then give them the money? >> Um don't know yet. >> Okay. I think probably it would just be collected on their online portal. >> Okay. >> But uh
>> okay, >> it's a good issue to bring up the fact that this is not something that just can happen at the first meeting in January. You can amend or add or remove or do anything you want to any of these fees at any time where it's appropriate to do that. >> So things will come up and it's uh the
cannabis fees. We would have added, I think, the fee right away if there was actually a process where we needed to give these licenses out. Um, I'm not sure there is even quite yet other than the low potency hemp ones. >> Oh, okay. >> So, there are the low potency hemp is,
you know, these are registrations, right? They're not licenses. And we do have a list of folks that are registered. >> Um, and that transferred from the state to the city this year. So, it started or last year, end of last year. We did renew in October. um the registrations
for folks in the city and there wasn't a fee for at that time and now when the registrations get renewed again the fee will be $125 and not that I want to go too far down this but the $125 do we have any reasoning for that like why why did they go with that they just they just did
>> yeah you know this if we want to think about what we want to use this money to cover there is some amount of effort to inspect these registered sites and make sure that they comply with our local ordinances. I don't think we know what that level of effort is yet. So, it
feels a little bit arbitrary to me still. >> Okay. Yeah. Because I was thinking I thought it was I mean it could be 500. Is that >> I there's no I don't think there's any difference between our authority when it comes to cannabis and low potency hemp of what we can charge. So, it could be
500 for initial registration and a,000 for renewal. And these are all renewals. >> Okay. Uh so it could be a thousand. If if we find that there's a lot more effort involved in the low potency hemp uh inspections, we'll come back and suggest change. In the meantime, I think
that there's going to be a really stark difference between the amount of effort for a cannabis license and a potency hemp license. >> So makes sense to me that they would be different. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right.
Any other questions? >> I make a motion to approve ordinance 2026-01. >> Would you would like to second that? >> Yes, I'll second. >> Okay. Any further questions?
All right. All in favor of ordinance number 2026-01. I >> good. Thanks, Mike. >> Mhm. >> You'll see a second reading at your next meeting. >> Now, >> now what you maybe all were actually
waiting for. >> Quick review of history and just the recent kind, not the rest of it. >> Um, in October you held an improvement hearing. That was after a few work sessions during last year where we
talked about the special assessment process, the steps involved, all that was happening kind of as a general conversation but also with this project as an example as it was happening at the same time. The third street improvement hearing, there were neighbors invited
and some that attended. You received comment. You talked about what the assessments might be. You didn't have to decide at that point. You still don't have to decide, but if you want to consider assessments as one of the ways you're going to pay for this project,
the next step is this attached draft resolution, which is one that would order the improvement. And so, what does it mean to order the improvement? It means we're going to actually hire the engineer to take the plans that they've already done and turn them into biddable
documents. We're going to go through a bidding process with our engineers looking for contractors. There's enough money in this project that we have to use sealed bids as the method to do that. Um, and we're potentially then
going to hire one of those contractors and commence with the work. So, you really are only making the decision to intend to do all of those things by ordering the improvement. You still have to hire the engineer. you still have to
hire the contractor. You could always decide not to do that if you wanted to. Um, and in this case, because we have a um a partnership with Peters who has a development agreement to do some of the
work that's included on this two blocks, we also have to have some kind of uh cooperating agreement with him to figure out how we're going to do it. >> So, I mean, John, we've talked a little bit about what makes sense to us, >> right? one contractor rather than multiple contractors, one engineer
rather than multiple engineers, which is why one of the reasons why it's benefit to have John and MSA be our engineer on this project because they've also been working with Peters for his side of things. >> Okay. >> Um, but it will take some followup agreement, I think, between us and
Peters to figure out how the money is going to flow, how we're going to divvy up costs, stuff like that. And I don't have any reason to believe that will be difficult to come to agreement with them, but we haven't done it yet. So,
any questions yet? You want to talk a little bit about what state the plans are in and what it'll take to get them to biddable documents, John? >> Sure. Uh, I have a plan set here, a stamp knot for construction. Um we had put this together pretty quickly to try
to get some IT RB funding. Um but we're not too far, you know, in the next few few weeks, a month maybe they'll be ready to go. Um that includes construction specs. Um and that's all included in that um contract that we had
approved. Um when did we when did we actually sign that? Whenever we signed that that >> mid last year. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um so that includes all the way through uh bidding. Um so we'll take them to uh
bid docs um in the next month or so and then we advertise u papers online etc etc. The standard process that we follow to um make sure we're following state law on that. Um,
MSA will have an online bidding process and we open bids at the selected time. Um, and we announce all the pricing and from there we issue a letter of recommendation for the um, low
responsible bidder and we have to say responsible for >> that to be. >> Yeah. Um and then we can move forward with uh selecting, you know, selecting that contractor um or the contractor of your
choice. And then we'd get into construction, you know, um a letter of u letter of recommendation for the selection and then some shop drawing reviews and a kickoff meeting with the contractor. And then we get into actual
construction and then wrap it up after they're done. Okay. Does that uh make sense to everybody? >> So, timeline if if approved um month you'll you're going to have bid docs,
send out a bid. How long does that take? um to get it advertised, we have to advertise it for at least two weeks, probably three, just to make sure that we're >> getting all the bids. >> Yeah. Um and then it's an online bid, so
it's immediate and we just click on each bidder and get the pricing and then within a few days we can have a letter of recommendation. Um, so we could have that bid um opening
um February, March. I would think before March or or very early March, we could have bid opening, probably even the end of February. That's that's a good spot to get
competitive pricing. We don't want to wait any longer than that >> if we can help it. Any other questions? Okay. Excuse me. Would anyone like to make a motion for resolution 2020 6-01?
Wait a minute. >> Yeah. Well, that was ordinance. That's why >> cuz like wait, I just read that number. >> So, this is the resolution. >> Yhua. >> Yeah. I would like to make the motion to approve resolution uh 2026-01.
>> All right. >> I would second that. >> Okay. Any further questions or comments? just a um legal point because this was not a project that was created through
um petition of affected property owners. Each of these resolutions requires a fors vote to pass rather than your typical majority vote. >> Thank you. That's important clarification. All right.
Just want to make sure. >> So, all in favor of res resolution 2026-01. >> I no. >> Okay. So, that means
>> that resolution did not pass. >> Yeah. >> So, what would you like to do now? >> Crow your bill. Any thoughts or comments? Is there something you'd like different or change or you just
would not like to proceed? I think that's the direction I'd like to start the conversation. No comments. Yeah, my comment is uh this resolution needs from what I read here
steps to use special assessments to fund or partially fund this project. Okay. This is not approving the use of special assessments. That would require a separate hearing and a separate resolution to adopt a
special assessment. Um, so if you're saying you don't support that, uh, saying yes to this resolution still allows you to say no to the assessments and have the improvement move forward.
So that's one option for you to consider. >> Bill, did you have any what Craig's thinking? Yeah, I don't like the special assessment because way back in the beginning, we were never going to do that
and I haven't heard any support from the surrounding property owners for this. So, that's my reluctance. >> It's fine. Um, does what Mike's comments make any difference to this aso, you
know, would you like this to go as a project and this is the that's the main piece or you also don't want this to go as a project? I mean, I'm just wondering if we have a path forward or is this, you know, the
deal that's all just if I could just interject a little bit. I my ability to to say yes at this point was because it it does not mean automatically that we're going to
assess. It's just that we could if if it was necessary or if we knew that it was possible or that that we would need it in order to make the project work, but not that we have to. We're not committing to assessing people by saying
yes to this piece, but we're not saying no to the development of Third Street. >> And are you going it's my understanding that ILR has not given a definitive yet.
>> No, they've said no >> completely. >> Well, they've said you can reapply but >> that wouldn't be in a timely manner for this project. >> Okay. Actually, the last update I had, we didn't have a full comment from them yet. Okay.
>> Does that make any difference or no? >> What the B part? No, the the other part we were talking about with their options still in assessments which can be no assessments, a partial assessment, whatever. >> Now, and to have the assessment, Mike,
would we also need a four fifths for that? If we got to that point, >> yeah, there's that as well. >> What? >> We would need a four fifth vote if we got to that point. >> Assessments, >> right? >> We decided we were deciding about assessments. Would we do it? We need
four fifths of this council to say yes. >> Do you want more time to think about it or are you through thinking? I mean, that's okay. I just want to know. So, we this needs to either move forward or go
to bed one way or the other. Um, while you're thinking about what you want to say, also keep in mind we have an approved development agreement with somebody to do a part of this project to install water and sewer in 2/3 to 3/4 of
one block of third and to make some improvements to the street adjacent to that. Um, so one option is we don't make any other improvements and we move ahead with that development agreement where there isn't any cooperation because we're not going to do anything and he
does all of it and pays for all of it, >> which is kind of where we started. >> Kind of where we started. >> Yeah. >> So go back to that. We won't move that up to >> seven >> and that will be the that is that what
you'd prefer. That's okay. just like some comment. >> Yeah, I guess I remain opposed to it. >> Okay, >> any other thoughts? But is there anything in here, Mike, that says that in looking in reading
this resolution, what in here says that has to be or that is there anything linking this to assessments? >> I mean, there's no words in the resolution that talk about assessments, >> right? So that's apparent, right? >> So >> it's required to go through this step if
you want to do assessments. It does not require you to do assessments, >> right? So we could say yes, we want to do this improvement without doing any assessments. >> You could and we would not need four of fifths. >> You wouldn't need this resolution either. If you want to just make a
different motion to hire MSA and commence with the project and work on it, yeah, we're not going to do assessments. Then you wouldn't need four fifths. That's right. Got it. Well, the essence of what of this was and and
was really mine is is it's not an efficiency to do this now thinking inevitably things will be developed in this area. But if people don't agree with that concept or thought or and don't care, that's fine, too. But that's
really what was the essence of this is this is a time of efficiency and most cost effectiveness to do something, which I've decided it probably will end up affecting more property owners. If we don't feel that way, then
let's just cut this and they can go on with their project. So that's really what this is about. It's not really the assessments or not. So if that's how you feel, that's fine. Let's just This has gone on long enough. So
I would like to have a definitive tonight about what you want to do. >> Yeah. >> And you said you you know >> and you don't want so that the oneird remaining third does not matter. You're fine. just let that go
of the block. I'm trying to say that the the last piece we were trying to make sure got completed up to seventh is not is not an issue. And if that's you guys feel that's fine. And I just would like you to say that and then we we can be done
>> or are you I guess what you just said there's another path to this but >> yeah I'm just trying to like think think about that you know I would also add to talk about council reports that planning and zoning you know had a had a I
thought a really great meeting you know last week and and we we did talk about infrastructure in general and a path forward to possibly expanding that. Just taking a maybe a 30,000 foot view of the
city and where it makes sense and what's highest and best use and are we in accordance with our goals and values. We wanted maybe that's no longer what we want. I don't I'm not really sure. So, just trying to get a better handle on um
on some of those issues. I think this this topic of assessments I I would say I certainly understand that it's not comfortable, but when you don't assess somebody, you're assessing everybody and um and
and so which to me seems I I think that seems crazy to me to like like we we're improving neighborhoods, we're improving properties, that's what we want to do. This road is substandard. This this doesn't seem like a complicated process to me. I don't think it's a huge sum of
money that we're talking about even in the assessment, but I understand you entitled to your opinion. You certainly have the same vote that I have. So whether or not we we want to do third, I just want to make sure that we're all aware that it's still an option to do
it. So I think Craig is is the one-third not not something you feel very strongly about. Is that the other part of this? >> Not completing that third section, you
know, up to seventh is is not something you think is a good use right now. assessments isn't really the question. Well, that's part of it for some of the property owners. Um,
part of it for me is I don't even know what we're doing at Third Street. Putting curb and gutter on one side, not curb and gutter on the other side. What's it going to look like to a land owner on the lower side? What's he going to have to do to his property to even utilize Third Street anymore? No one's
asked those questions. No one's answered those questions, but we go ahead and do it. So, I have questions yet that never got answered from a person who owns all land on the other side of the road. Pretty much all
of it. It greatly affects his property. Um, those talk retaining walls and stuff like that. I don't know where they are. I don't know what they look like. I don't know the elevations. I don't know what the road's going to look like when you're done with it.
There's a lot of rock in there. Does that mean you're filling things in to avoid moving rock, which basically raises the value um elevations? >> So, yeah, that's part of it.
Um the other part of it is having a meeting a long long long time ago about assessments and we all decided we are not going to assess. You guys all remember that. Then we came back and had another meeting to put assessments in
the faces of these people with actual numbers what each property owner will be paying. And I got feedback from three land owners that wanted to know why we had that meeting when we already
had a meeting previous. So they kind of felt, well, you guys are going to do whatever you want to do anyway, so what's the sense of us coming to a meeting? Which kind of turn me off.
You know, I'm not against fixing up the street. I don't think any of us here are. However, now we're looking at doing improvements to a street that
um became a priority even though it never was one. So that's my concerns about some of the construction. I also realized that the north side of
third all the way to fifth has no dripping gutter. The south side does. So, are we doing this right? Should we do it better? How does it affect other land owners? You know, it's kind
of like, let's just get this. Not that it's hurry up and get this, but I don't think we're looking at, you know, a complete project here. I think we're just throwing something at this. And I don't think we're making it.
How wide are we making the road? >> 20 ft. >> 20 ft. What is it now? 14 16ish. >> It varies between there. >> Yeah, it does vary. >> And that'll be 20 ft from 8th Avenue all the way to
to six. >> Six. >> Are there any of other correct questions you can >> at this point? >> That's all I have. I have, you know. >> Sure. >> Well, I say it out loud because you question. So then I think all of us need
to hear the answers. >> You had questions. I think all of us should hear the answers if he has them about the construction. If you have >> Sure. So, uh, there are no retaining walls. We can >> There are no retaining walls.
>> We've determined we can grade it within the right of way. That initial that original report did show some, but no, we don't need any retaining walls. >> Um, there's a couple reasons for curb only on the south side
and a lot of it has to do with rock. We can we can stay above, you know, we don't have to cut back into it and then try to create create this cut that's very expensive. Um water's all going to want to come that way anyway. So, we capture on the
curb on the south side. That saves some cost for um for that. Um the curb will align with with the curve that's there on both ends. It wraps now. So,
tie into that. Um I'm sorry. Did you have another >> So for access I think Sorry, wasn't that right? Accessing the road from the southside. >> Well, we're putting curb cuts anywhere that >> the landowner wants. >> If the landowner needs a curb cut, we'll
put a curb cut in and they'll have a driveway access. Okay. >> That's pretty That's pretty standard. >> Yeah. Um, typically we do that on every parcel that doesn't already have a driveway. We
would add the curb cut there. Um, and then on the north side, we just blend the driveways into the >> You had a question about elevation change, something like that. Is that is
that related to the accident? >> Well, elevation change, you're going to cut any anything else or add in fill. If you add in fill, you can have some kind of elevation change somewhere. Another little dip. The road has a dip in it and you probably go up on some rock and then
it dips again. >> And we're, you know, our profile we tried to smooth out some of those so that we don't have we're not going to put in a road that's >> doing that. Um, I mean the south side will look different because the curb is
there and there's going to be there's going to need to be some grading done. Um, and then all that water is going to get shunted towards six, right?
>> Yes. It'll have to run down the south side and down. >> Yeah. six >> which is curved on both sides. 66 >> and a block south has storm sewer as well >> that goes to the highway.
>> Where's the storm sewer? >> Down below your house. >> Yeah, below you >> on the newer section. >> Okay. was walking up. >> Other construction questions for the
engineer. >> Were those all of your questions, Craig? Or we still got to think through some more? >> As far as construction questions, those are the questions I have. >> Excuse me. the the you know in going back and
thinking through the the one thing that you this is a substandard road we're doing our best to make it a manageable road and the one thing I did hear from the people living there was the concern already without any development the condition of the road
for cars and people walking and so this is our attempt to do this better. And I think that was part of the reason we discussed no assessments because it was simply substandard.
Um, and it isn't a large amount of money relative to other construction projects. >> Yeah. >> And we will see with this more people living there and more traffic. It's not going to stay the way it is. we might as
well participate in making some of that change. You're not it's not going to be what it is now. So that's also what sits in the back of my mind on this and I it leads me back to efficiencies of time and money
of something that it will inevitably I feel need to be done whether I personally want to see any of it change but it's going to so does some a better understanding of the conr construction. Um, does that feel
better for you at all in some of that then? Do you think Well, you're addressing you're speaking in for some of the property owners as well. Do you think that answers some of their questions, Craig?
>> Yeah, I think it would. It will. Do we want to rethink this resolution or move forward in another way or not at all? Silence is not always golden. >> I think the road needs to be done, but I
mean I think my statement on that been obvious. So >> I mean and I guess that's it too for me is that it does seem like it isn't it's an opportunity of a sort. You know, they're already going to tear up the
road. they're already going to be doing the work joining in and saying like, "Okay, you you're going to do that, but we're going to finish it out and make sure it is a decent rope. Maybe we won't do, you know, it all super fancy, but it'll be an improvement
over what's there now. Not going to make it so much bigger, but it'll be better by six feet, which since I drive it every day, yeah, that will be an improvement. But you can't get to cars fast. Well,
this time >> Okay, refresh for me the other path you discussed. If you don't do the improvement that path, >> no path that uh if we don't do the assessment, >> if you don't do the assessment,
>> we can we can hire MSA to complete >> Yeah, we can just have MSA continue on to develop the plans and do a bid process for us. We've already authorized that work. You don't even have to take any action to continue that if if that's
clearly a majority opinion to do that. You could just nod heads and we'd keep working knowing that the next decision point would be when the bids are received. You'll see the prices and you can decide if you want to hire it done or not or if you want to modify it or do
something different. Uh skipping over this resolution that just means assessments are off the table, which like Craig said was the original position on this project and one that was revisited and reconsidered. But you can go back to that, too.
I would like to put forward that we take a vote on the proceeding that way. >> Okay. >> Can it is that simple enough or do I need to make that more exact? >> Um do we need a motion for that?
>> I think she's looking for clarity that people put their name on it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I >> Yeah, I'd support that. I want to see the road done. >> Okay. Gregor Bill, your thoughts a
>> you did what did you say? Are you are you taking >> Yes. >> Are you taking assessments off the table so we don't circle back and have a meeting for assessments again? Is that what we're doing? >> That's what we just said. >> Yeah. So, you're not passing this
resolution. You're just saying let's continue. >> Well, I mean, I know that was the plan in the first place. However, you left the door open to come back with another meeting to possibly assess depending how that meeting went.
That'll be the third time people have been brought in for a meeting. And we also have a developers agreement with Patter, but we don't know what he's building. You don't know what is going to be built
on his property. That's right. >> Correct. >> We don't have any plans for that. >> Right. >> It's kind of interesting. So, >> and why don't we know that? >> What's the problem with that? >> He hasn't made any land use permit
applications. Okay. So what we do now then is if this passes MSA goes ahead you let up the bids it prices come back to us.
Okay. >> We give a letter recommendation that has an outline of all the the bid tabulation of all the bids and the one that we recommend. >> Okay. >> And you'll get that. >> Well, we have >> Pardon. >> No, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
That was a start. >> So, uh, there are three of us who agreed that we would like to move forward with this. >> Did you want to say a yay or me to that or you were about to say something? >> No, I don't. Doesn't need a four fifth
vote, does it? No, I just Yeah, I just did you want to say a definitive yes or no to that path there? >> No, I'm not. Just so you all know, I'm the one that brought up the fact that the street needs to be fixed up if you
remember. And I'm I still thinks it I still think it does providing the fact of the property that was going to get developed to the extent that it was going to get developed and the number of units that were going in and the amount of traffic that was going to go on it.
Yes, it needs to be fixed up. But what really bothers me and bothers the hell out of me is we don't even know what's getting built on this property. But yet here we are talking about fixing up a street that was not even ever on our radar to fix up. We have a lot of other
stuff and it's time to fix up. But now this is on our radar. We don't even know what's going to be built on it. So we're doing this so that we can fill in, right?
Infill. Um it'd be nice to know what we're infilling before we start spending money on fixing up streets. It's too bad that we don't know what's getting built because we really don't. So,
>> well, we did at one time. We We saw some plans. We saw some deep. >> Yeah, we did. No, no, I know that. I know we did. We saw plans and we saw what >> what that was all about. So, >> but I I I hear what you're saying, Craig, and I think
the only thing I would add is that the road is getting torn up and he's going to be doing it anyway. Just feels like, well, >> he's doing part of the road, >> right? And we're >> half of the road and we're paving, if I'm not correct, the other half of the road,
>> I think quite a bit less than half. >> So, why isn't he fixing up the whole damn road when he's tearing up the road? That's what bothers me. the yeah the where the water and sewer is currently located that serves the house on the property is on the north side of the road. >> His plans when he presented them didn't
really include much of the pavement being affected at all. >> I know that but we fixed the road and pavement. We're going to be repaving the whole road. We're not going to have a seam in that little piece of road that somebody didn't want a black. >> Yeah. But if we weren't going to participate anyway in the project, then
he wouldn't be fixing up most of the road. >> Yeah. So I know that. >> All right. With that, we we have a I believe 3 to2. >> So we're taking assessments off the table.
>> Yeah. That's why we brought this back to a vote >> from another direction. I liked what uh Ben said about looking from 30,000 ft and figuring out if this is what we want to do with the infill. It would have been really nice if it wasn't so
backwards that that already been determined before we got this far down the road on this. >> What do you mean had been determined the infill? whether you want to infill and where you want it, where where you would
like to focus your energy on being the most effective to extend utilities and and find buildable lots. I mean, I wish that had been known
before this whole Third Street debacle keeps circling round and round and round. Assessments, no assessments, assessments. Well, it actually was based on our planning and zoning whether or not we
were all very happy about it and but it takes a longer conversation to make those changes. And yeah, I I I can't say I personally at all cared for the prior plan, but there was nothing in the way our planning and
zoning reads and still isn't. And that's up to us to to have those conversations and prioritize it. And we do need to do that. >> But where we stand right now is this. And if it isn't this property owner, it's going to be somebody. And it's only
to me one or two houses on that north side is going to make a difference. It already is on traffic. And that and if it street was not substandard, I also wouldn't care as much at all. And I would agree with Craig. we have other streets that definitely are, but that's what we said
the other. It's just plain substandard and I've heard that from the people who live there as well. So that's why either way um I think this is something that we need to do. All right, end with that then
and they'll go that direction. >> Okay, >> thank you very much. Thank all of you. This has been, I think, an a long but important learning for all of us. And I think it just reinforces the need for us to sit down
and have these conversations about how we want development in our city. With such an emphasis on the need for housing everywhere in this county, we need to have some real clarity about how we're going to help and where and where it makes sense.
And um yeah, I could really say a lot of things about how I feel, but that's a time and place we need to have. I think it needs to prioritize. >> Let me segue this into council reports because that would nicely. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Because we had zoning work and such. >> But you will recall >> what? >> No, no, no. Our change to our agenda >> means that Mike, a city administrator, is first up. >> Well, he could talk about it. >> Yeah,
>> I could. I haven't intended to. And I'd also be happy to defer if you wanted. >> No, no, you go, man. >> Got to follow our agenda. >> Yeah. Well, I'm not going to report on things that you're going to report on in the future. I just wanted to take a
quick opportunity to share with you might want to look on your own screens rather than the big screen if you want to read this along with me. But this document which I'll be sending out for your uh
>> review. Do they know how to join on their own screen? >> Is it in uh meeting? >> No. Okay. Okay. Well, if you're not joining the meeting, then never mind. What this is is a summary document of department goals.
>> Wait a minute. >> Oh, okay. >> We're we're going to do that at the end of the month. >> Uh I won't go into detail about it. I just want to let you know that it exists. >> Okay. >> So, like I said, I'll be sending it out. And what we're talking about in these goals are things that are included in
the department head's reviews for their goals for next year. Um, I'm going to pick two just to give you an idea of what they look like. In the parks department, um, meet and exceed 2026 budget revenue projections and keep expense projections
within or under budget. That is a goal in the parks department. >> That's a good one. >> It's strangely a goal that we include every year in the parks department and typically they meet it. And then um in
the liquor department, there's one that's a little more involved. Develop marketing plan, bring together efforts started but not finished that include website, social media marketing, merchandising, and have a plan that can be shared with the city council. So that
is a goal in that department. Uh each of these departments has a series of items. Um, like I said, I'll be sending this document out to you so you can see what they are. And I'll be meeting regularly with the department heads. Um, and
quarterly we'll take a look at this list, each of them, and just have a formal look and see where they're at, what's going on, what needs to happen. But these are the things that we're also just sort of talking about all the time as we meet.
So, we won't uh give a formal presentation of that. >> Not till next week. >> Next time. >> Next week, >> two weeks from now. >> Yeah. >> I didn't see it on the list. I thought you weren't ready yet. >> It wasn't ready on Thursday last week.
>> Um and so, but I figured I'd just add it because I have a place on the agenda now that says administrator report. >> Do you have other stuff? I want to give a couple of scheduling updates. Um,
come the first week in February, I'm currently planning on attending a public financing seminar that Ellis puts on every year, that may affect the first Wednesday meetings. So, that's the PC and planning commission. Um, so if that's the case and my attendance as
well, we'll be reaching out to you about rescheduling those. Okay. Um, and then we're starting to get notices from all of our organizations that we're joining, and I'll be sending out some of these in summary form to you about their
legislative day at the capital this season. Uh, I think I've got five of them now that we've been notified of, whether it's Greater Minnesota Parks and Trails or League of Minnesota Cities or the Coalition to Greater Minnesota Cities or Duth Days or or or Everybody
wants their bite at the apple. Sometimes they're even on the same day. >> Uh, and I'll be making an attempt to get to multiple of them and I'm hoping that I will be joined by a few of you as well in those efforts. Our number one priority this year is wastewater plant
and our number one most important funding source for that is currently the state bonding bill. So, we need to stay on top of that and I appreciate your help keeping that happen. So, that is it for my report.
Thanks. >> Yeah, I have asked Patrick and Alyssa to put together that annual review thing that we've been doing the last two years and and noting employees and departments and we put it together with you a piece
department goals along with a congratulation look back from last year. >> Okay. All right. um because I don't have an a pen and I'm going to forget. I'm going to go next just really fast because otherwise I might forget. So on the
capital days I have signed up to go with our chamber members and and to go down there in mid-Marchch all registered for that. >> Um which is why I asked you if you could attend that EDA meeting because you're
the the >> Yeah. if that works that they give you enough notice. >> The other thing I wanted to do is part of our whole cleanup for the year and get ourselves organized is calendaring any meetings we might need to change. I
did a quick peak. The only one I noticed was once again Thanksgiving that we might want to reset because that always lands on that >> before. So it would be if you wanted to do that a couple days beforehand. Let's just say that's now and switch it.
Christmas didn't seem to be a problem this year. The 30th ends up being the last meeting day. So that might tie into when we normally do things, right? I think in December. >> Yeah. >> Stay with that. >> I think we probably want to move that to the 23rd.
>> Okay. >> But >> we can revisit that. I think so. Yeah. >> Okay. So, Patrick, can you do that then? Get that one to December 23rd and then November. Is Thanksgiving better to do Tuesday or Monday before then?
>> Tuesday or Monday. Think about >> matter. Okay. >> And then after that, I didn't see any holidays or something that the rest are like legal Mondays or whatever. Fourth of July doesn't bucket. I don't know.
>> But if we could get those done, we wouldn't have to think about them. Okay. Um uh yes. Yesterday, Chris Lindholone, superintendent, sent out a note to a group of various leaders
in the community asking if we could put together a communication plan around any potential ICE activities in our community. So, um because I had the time, I organized that meeting for today. We had hospital clinics, schools,
um, county, portage, and chamber in the room today. >> Was there? >> Uh, yes, remotely. We had remote and in person. So Pat was there as part of the count several county members. The county
had just coincidentally had their own meeting the day before that. So they gave their summary and um then both communications. So Patrick was there and Danielle who is now the county and
hospital communications person. They will be um leading up the communications piece of of what we set forth. We also shared any known guidance that have been provided. For instance, Kimber has had
just earlier in the day had two hospital association meetings with their broader regional state groups on that. And um so we got that that all set up. Um some one of the purposes that is of course the rumor mills go rampid. We wanted to make
sure that everybody felt they were dealing with real information. So everything will be screened through the sheriff's office and if there's anything of validity, it will be passed through the communications that Patrick and Danielle set up and will go to leaders
and it will be up to them to set that down to their staff as appropriate. And then it was very interesting to hear that most of those organizations already had for some time very clear guidance about what to do. So it's not a complete new learning for any of them. And um
then it was also interesting to hear some of the various issues that different organizations have and ways they're handling them. For instance, the school already has a process. If for some reason um a student cannot attend school medical, whatever, they have a
process to handle that and this can be incorporated into that. >> Things like that that don't maybe done in the rest of us about how to deal with things. And um so that's that. I don't think we have another plan to meet um but it was mostly to make sure that we
are just communicating well and also a consensus that conversations with the media would be very very limited if at all or encouraged to be so. So there was that and then night before last uh later
into the evening in a cooking frenzy my phone rang and it was Amy Kashar and we played telephone and Amy wanted to let me know that the million dollars that she's having allocated to our wastewater treatment plant which had previously
communicated um is to be voted on sometime this week. And so when the check's here, we'll we'll think about that. >> Okay. >> But I gave her a very much appreciated thank you. Said we had our continued efforts going forward. So
>> um I think that's it. >> Great. Can I go now? >> Mhm. >> Great. >> Well, we had a great meeting.
uh talking. It was a work session with Mr. Ross as well as Patrick as well as Jeff from the H. um all talking about how we can best plan out infrastructure for the town and
looking at you know best uses of the planning and zoning commission so that we can provide good and useful um help guidance uh to the council and really started to take a look at
like how how can we do that? How can we really plan out our future? You know, looking at maps, looking at different areas and then also thinking about concretely like what are the areas that we can really, you know,
u provide help and and really start looking at and of course the biggest thing is we can affect those zoning rules. That really helps. Um, but it was great to have everybody there and participating. It's unfortunate that we
won't have um Stacy around, but we'll find another uh person to to get into that role, but it was it was great. It was very robust >> and I thought Ben, you have more. >> No, I think that was that was that was
it was really good. It was interesting. We, you know, we we do the the I don't know, I call it the post-it game or whatever, but like uh and you know, everybody had different ideas and you just, you know, rapid fire ideas out and brainstorm or whatever. And you know,
everybody's kind of you think you you think you have your priorities, right? And then you listen to what everybody like, "Oh, yeah, no, that's that's really is the prior that should be the priority." So, you're realigning, you know, as you as you're going through this meeting. It was really cool like um
really looking at how how can we facilitate better partnerships you know what can those roles be you know our role can't be about finding money all the time right although that's always the sticky point with doing any project so how do you how do you put the best
pieces that you know the skills to use right who's who's best at doing that how do we incorporate Jeff into that conversation how do we bring the county in or how do we you know talk to whomever we have to, right? Um, yeah. So, I'm I'm excited to see where it evolves and and where that goes. It's a
good use of of that meeting when you don't necessarily have another agenda item, right? And so, this is, as we were talking earlier, like, yeah, we want we want to make sure we're meeting regularly and even if we don't have, you know, um, you know,
a variance request or whatever. >> Uh, yeah, that was it was good. >> It was good. Yeah. and Anton would do this as well to round out the people that are. >> So, a quick followup. We are invited by
the HR to sit as both council and planning commission with their board and talk about, I guess, similar things, but how best to move forward. And they're looking for some ideas about dates that might work for you. One
suggestion I've got that we could pitch to them is we could use your schedule work session at the end of this month >> as a joint meeting opportunity. >> If that makes sense. >> Is that the >> the 28th >> 28th? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Anything else? Mr. Library and AODC and >> is tomorrow. Library is next week. >> Okay. All right. >> The only thing I have is a AR and it's
it's pretty stale because the meeting is tomorrow. >> Oh. >> But and I think Mike is aware they're they're trying to figure out how to get their building successfully completed and they're going to talk about
foundation ideas, options, and content. >> So, I'm not going to that meeting and made that clear. I don't have anything to add right now, but I also have a scheduling confidence. So, >> uh my report back to them, and it's really the same for you, is we're we've
taken over the responsibility for talking to contractors, gathering prices, and such. And when that information is compiled is really the next time it's worth sitting down and talking about this at all. So, won't be tomorrow. Probably not for a few weeks at least.
>> Okay. As long as it still sits in that direction. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, I went to Chisum last Thursday uh to uh a trip RB and there was a
meeting there um headed by a group called MHP which is Minnesota Housing Project and they were um talking about messaging uh largely around housing. And I guess it could be anything, but when
municipalities have projects, sometimes they're not popular, sometimes they're in the neighborhoods that people don't want them or you have difficult conversations um how to message that uh specifically with housing, right? I think there's a number of uh it was interesting all
these different I mean we were clearly the furthest away from the range and this was for the range but they uh they all had similar stories about housing and trying to get these projects completed and and they had common themes where neighbors are like well you know
of course we want housing but we don't want it here or not that type of housing or or what are you know you're going to hurt my taxes or you're going to raise assessments on it or whatever right and so how do Do you how do you have that conversation and bring it back and and
that the focus was really on what are the shared values that we all kind of have as human beings and community and trying to figure out well yeah it's it might be true that you know it's not maybe perfect or change is hard but you know we have to grow we have like we
have like who wouldn't who this is a perfect place for homes right like what does that mean how do you put a value on that and um so there's different strategies ies for that. I thought it was good. It wasn't what I was expecting, but it was it was good. It was super well attended. I think there was probably there had to be a hundred
people in that room and from mayors to council members to um H directors across the range. And so it was um lot it was nice people, good people, um lots of handshakes and so >> great. Everybody loves Grand Ray, of course.
>> Thanks a lot for going over there. I was out of town and I just really think it's important for us to kind of get over there and meet and greet a little. >> Yeah, I enjoyed it. It was It was something I do. >> So, thank you. I know it's kind of a long drive in the winter time there. >> It's a long one. Yeah.
>> Yeah. All right. >> Well, good. Anything else? >> That's it. That's all I got. >> Hey, Craig. >> We didn't uh we didn't have a parkboard meeting, so I don't have anything. Anything
in parks and trails? >> Um, meetings. >> Yeah, we met gosh last month. I think it was first part. Am
I going back to October? I can't remember. Jeez. We had a meeting. Um there was a lot of talk about the uh land that the county owns and they're pursuing
through HKGI some work to uh look at that land And um they have some PIL funding for um recreation designated for recreation use. And so
they're going to use that money to do uh type of master plan like we did for the park >> on that. Um, so it's kind of in the learning stages right now
to get some different ideas of what they possibly can do with that property. Um, and then of course with that comes public engagement, that kind of thing, too. So that's kind of what we talked about
and that was yeah, that was the last meeting we had. Okay. >> I think the county is still >> December 16th was that meeting. >> Okay. Yeah. They're still looking for some clear indication from the city of what our participation is going to look
like in that project, >> right? >> And my recommendation to them was they need to come with a concrete ask >> so that you have something to answer rather than come up on your own. So I would expect two potential asks in the near future.
one to financially participate in that study and two to revisit the joint powers board concept to manage that property with an actual draft agreement to look at. So
stay tuned to that. >> Okay. >> Is that everything? >> Yep. >> All right. Hey, >> thanks everyone.