##VIDEO ID:ihGXZpZaPx4## all right and time is 634 and with us this evening is Kim vanbeck and Robert uh cringers City attorney also in the room Patrick Knight Mike Roth Bill loes Ben Peters Michael Gary thanks you two for not seeing to Michael and Craig schy that all right we have a full house this evening and of course we got the small room on top of it um so I'll open up with open forum and um just a quick little summary as you can see in your notes we have five minutes um each subject each subject 10 minutes so with that said is there anyone here for open Forum this evening I am um should I come where should right cat it okay oh because we're using very good and if you or anyone who wants to speak this evening just always start with your name I will yeah I brought I wrote it down because I'm bad at public speaking but uh I'm will brandenberg uh I live at 401 West highway61 and I'm here um in support of the application of and maachi Martinson to build a new home um that includes short-term rental units on their vacant lot um in the resort commercial neighborhood zoning District um and I'm here because I know Ryan has deep ties to our community um because we were classmates of bridge Grove and again at isd1 166 um we've remained friends ever since and he's shown himself to be a leader and a really upstanding citizen and man um I know his family will add a lot of vibrancy to our town um and I also know the cost of living is high here especially for people our age um and so I think affording them the opportunity to rent out their rooms um will allow them to stay and enhance our community and I just wanted to be here to support them and that's it thank you so much is there anyone else who for open for this evening yes s also wrote it down um hi everyone my name is maachi Martinson um I'm Ryan's wife and a joint owner of our property at 309 f um for which we're applying for a conditional use permit um while Ryan grew up here I've been coming to Grand marray with about the past five years to visit family here and I'm really excited to hopefully make gr marray our forever home um we really are hoping for the opportunity to be able to build a home for us and our future children here I'm 27 and Ryan is 32 we have never owned a home before and it's not an easy time to become a homeowner um the land is already the single based purchase we've ever made and building a home on it will be the biggest Financial expense of Our Lives um the only way we see it to make Financial sense for us to build a new house on the bacon lot is by incorporating three short-term rentals on the lower level of the property um we are aware that two of our neighbors to our immediate left and right have raised concerns about the potential impact of our short-term rentals to them um the impact to our neighbors should be minimal given the following first this would be a smallscale operation where we plan to live on the second floor with our family second we plan to insulate the walls well and communicate with our renters to make sure they keep noise levels to a minimum um third we plan to provide plenty of space for the ERS to park directly on our property um if any issues arise we will be able to address them promptly it's also important to know that we're not taking an existing house and turning it into short-term rentals rather we plan to contribute to the City by building a new house on a mostly vacant lot and we plan to Simply help Finance it by renting rooms to guests downstairs and we plan for the house to fit seamlessly into the neighborhood aesthetically and within the neighborhood zoning code allowances our neighborhood the resort commercial neighborhood consists a mix of consists of a mix of residential lodging commercial and government uses so coexisting with these uses is part of the Zone um in fact our lot is just under a block away from the courthouse we in now so with the conditional use permit to operate a few short-term rentals in our home we hope to have this opportunity to build a new house here raise our family here and be a positive long-term part of grammar thank you thank you than like and you know it is your permit so you can speak at that time too you don't have to be restricted to open Forum I think I'll just do it now yeah sure good evening council members and neighbors my name is Ryan Martinson and I'm here with my wife maachi we're applying for conditional use permit to build a new home with short-term lodging rooms lower family living quarters on a newly purchased lot in the resort commercial neighborhood for those of you who don't know me grew up living in Cook County and schroer and graduated from Cook County High School in 2011 since then I've lived in a variety of different places returning to Cook County often to work my parents' business and visit friends and family what sparked our desire to settle down in Grand marray is upcoming birth our first child we were living in California this summer and we decided to have a kid our son is now due this February we thought deeply about where we wanted to settle down and raise a family we did not want to raise our son in a big city or move our home from place to place we wanted to provide him with a stable home and a community we wanted to be close to family we wanted to give our son the opportunity to form meaningful relationships the last decades and being a place where the broader Community knows him and hopefully come to care about him we decided we wanted to make granday our home and we be County in early August the day after maachi finished grad school even being able to sit you before you today and present this has taken a lot of effort helping the community and some luck as you probably know you can't just go online to find a house to rent in Grand maray and purchasing an affordable home suitable for a family within granday is an even greater challenge we stayed in the camper on my parents property and shoulder for a couple months Network for your friends and friends or friends to find a spot to rent for the winter talk to home and Property Owners around town to try to convince him to sell unused property and crunch numbers and a variety of Creative Solutions and we could buy something to live here permanently we are happy to have found a solution that works for our family and even adds a new home to the city's heal Supply the zoning code allows your plan and the revenue from the short-term rentals offsets High Cost of land acquisition and high cost of new construction with some extra work to operate clean the rentals we can afford to bring our young family here in a historically unaffordable time for first time home buyers to wrap things up at the last Planning and Zoning meeting a member of the committee mentioned how their ancestors rented out a part of their their property as a way to support living up here that resonated with me as my parents Bruce and Cheryl Martinson moved up here and built a peer rid and shoulder when I was just a baby it's a nostalgic Twist of faith that 32 years later my wife and I will hopefully building a home here with some rooms to run to together in our son's a baby we hope to raise him here just as I was the viability of her plan to settle down in Grand marray and build a home hinges on your boat tonight and we need your help thank you thank you all right anyone else this see me open for all right and with that I will close open Forum we move on to time for our monthly updates I knows everything good evening everyone um my name is John Heen Miller with mof construction I'm the site superintendent for the new city hall Municipal liquor store just here to give you a quick update on the progress of the building uh mechanical and electrical ruin is about 90% complete uh we still have a little bit of electrical and one more inspection on electrical then we'll be ready to finish sheetrocking uh the remaining of the building and sheetrocking is probably about 85% now uh complete uh we're starting to frame the hard sofits and ceilings uh taping the drywall has started late last week and we'll actually have a painter in Monday to paint the ceiling in the bathrooms so we can start the wall tile in which goes Florida ceiling um like I said uh tile is going to begin on Tuesday uh frames for the windows uh that was a scary thing earlier this uh month uh they were supposed to be delivered the first part of January but we got good news they are going to be delivered the 3rd of December um and the glass uh for the storefronts the main exterior portion of the building that is going to be delivered on the 15th and we'll immediately put those in with the frames uh exterior siding has begun in the H sort of the West and a little bit of the north uh uh sides of the building and we'll be continuing that for the next 3 weeks also we had uh the paper that'll be going in the south of the building those were delivered this week and we'll be starting to install those earlier or late this week and then we're going to start some Landscaping no plantings but uh there's a lot of uh stone that has to be installed and then the plantings will come next spring so we're working on the inside of the building and the outside of the build so that's all I had and again if anyone like to have a tour please stop by and Mike sounds like he has a few people that he wants to bring by and take a look so feel free to stop into the office I'll give you a heart at and vest and we can walk around the um Time Capsule box that you built was absolutely beautiful you guys have not seen it or you need to don't tell my wife because she'll want me to do something home well she should well done thank you hide it inside of the building but but thank you so much for doing that yeah no problem it was my pleasure doing that for you guys uh if there's any questions just let me know thank you very much for your time I appreciate thanks okay if that we'll move on to the consent agenda are there any questions about the meeting minutes or BS um look like we're getting ready for the post Thanksgiving all night event so anything on that no I'd make a motion to approve the consent agenda I'll second that all right all in favor I I okay thank you Bill I think we're all good catch that Kim um next up uh we're going to meet our new Wastewater superintendent hi hi you like to come forward and meet us as well well I'd like to say thank you for the opportunity my wife and I vacationed up here for many years and uh we decided we want to retire up here so I've got somewhere between six and 16 years depending on on uh how things go but uh yeah I'm I'm looking forward to my wife is home taking care of our grandson right now but uh she's we fell in love with the place years ago and just wanted to come back up here so I've been doing Water and Wastewater I went to school back in the 90s for water Wastewater bachelor in biology and it was a a good tie in and and i' I've enjoyed doing the the Water waste water and so when this position came up I was chopping at the bit I I couldn't have been more excited about about this area so so I'd like to say thank you for the opportunity thank you um so any um big surprises so far any you know you got to settle in and are you here full-time now I am officially here fulltime now yes yeah the city of of new pra is been very grateful about the flexibility for me to work part with with them so that way they still had a Class A operator to to take care of their Wastewater plants and they've got a a $30 million Wastewater Plant built 14 years ago state-ofthe-art and it's still state-ofthe-art and so I've been able to come here and and Mike and I have had conversations about what opportunities this facility has and and the water facility has and some opportunities for uh you know updating uh things and looking forward to implementing those things as as time and funding allow he just said a conversation about that in our goal setting we did this evening so very much top of the list I trying to keep it under 30 million I so that is a beautiful facility it looks like a library or school so they well the the town is going to grow up around that facility and so they wanted to really do it nice and so that way I they they felt they wanted a to be a good neighbor and so a lot of that money went into owner control equipment and so you I've got some experience with that and the the type of facility it is it's very technologically savvy and so you know I've got a lot of good computer experience and uh learning how to run the uh the industrial computers the plc's that that actually control the Wastewater Plant has been a big Challenge and I've enjoyed learning and and tweaking that system to get you know we we've worked out a lot of bugs in the 14 years that we've been there and and so it was it's it's been one of my Joys to be able to do it and I'm looking forward to bringing a lot of that information and skills here perfect that be very much appreciated and absolutely you hit a hot button there on the old or older topics you can all hear why we're happy to have Scott here he's been part-time for two months yeah and and uh of course we've had more than enough things for him to do but what a it's just the right thing to have him be able to help out his old community and so yeah was cool glad to be patient and yes thank you very much I don't have to anymore so if you guys want to come down for tours or whatever I can make a way spot operator a you so the invitation stands yes it will thanks Scott thank you all right next is um an award presentation the grand Public Water Access Project is that coming online well we have visitors in the room okay just here oh perfect okay then Jenny you can sit here my name's bth chap I'm with the minnesot DNR and I'm Jenny rensburg also with the Minnesota DNR and earlier this year um I got the opportunity to go to the soba conference in North Carolina to speak about an award that you guys won so if you want to go to the next slide um so soba stands for the state's Organization for boting exess um and they were established in 1986 as to be a collective voice um and it's a national and nonprofit organization promoting um recreational boating facilities um so it was exciting when I got to go to North Carolina I got to meet people from California and Florida and they had all these crazy cool projects that they were working on and it was cool to present on this project so you want to go to the next slide um so this up project award that you guys won um focused on a few different items that they wanted to cover um your project demonstrated Innovation utility high quality uniqueness and cost Effectiveness um so yeah next slide James so this is what uh the harbor used to look like before we took it over um there was a small access over in the campground um and it was um between Dave and our parks and trails division that decided that we really needed something a little bit nicer down there so um we decided to move forward um next slide so this was all we had we had a small little Boulder um wall that was there and one small um launch and um for the amount of people that used this it was definitely a need for this community so this is the the new plan um you'll see the new breake wall as well as a new parking lot with Ada parking and um some um we also had to put in some um drainage ponds to uh take care of um um storm water thank you uh so that we can treat all that before it goes back into experence these are the numbers that we yeah you guys had a huge project huge project for grammar total cost um was 3.3 million um construction was about 2.9 and then design with engineering with structural and Coastal Bridge engineers and Architects um was around 500,000 um we wanted to highlight the city of Grand marray in 2018 was able to get about $2 million in state bonding which really helped this project come to fruition and then we had a bunch of other funding um that Kent and Nancy were able to find with the DNR cover so this kind of highlighted some of the work that was done by um Smith group they were able to look at the wave action um from the previous Breakwater and help design a structure that allowed boats that were under 28 ft in length to be able to retrieve boats with wave action under 6 Ines and then another cool part of your guys's design was this break water that can withstand all the saas that you guys get and Ice heaving but also people from that campground to have access of your historic ligh houses and Lake Superior so the whole Community is pretty excited about that yeah and Ada compli which is awesome Jenny can speak more on all the fun construction F so when we started this project um we did take out the old wall um we took that rock out we actually saved it um we took a look at it to make sure that it would bust apart it wouldn't fracture um when we used it in the new wall um so we were able to save that and reuse it uh this is a picture of once we got the base uh for the wall we were able to start pouring concrete at the far end and working our way back toward the shore so these are the forms this is how tall the wall is on the back side um you'll see that we do have the start of the the rock as well that kind of protected the whole concrete for as we were doing it um and I did have to yell at him a few times for getting you know um some Styrofoam in the lake but we took care of it uh so they they did work really well um we had some fantastic uh Park residents that went and um did some some nice photos for us this is also from um I believe this one is from our engineer that designed this from Smith but there was a lot of really nice aerial photos from drones um this just shows basically you can see the the base the Footers um on the bottom and then we just built up around that the first section right there you can see there the the sidewalk going in after the wall was Bo and this is our finished product this is just the wall we hadn't started it was a two-year program a two-year project the wall was first and then um the parking lot was second so there we have our parking lot with Ada parking and yeah lots lots of good parking fora yeah and then this one I think is when you guys installed um the ADA Bathroom screenings and changing station and then that board save kayak do if you want to go to the next slide to you guys really focus too on low maintenance native vegetation as well um so my bass and I got to come up earlier this this year and give it a go and it was really fun and easy to use so definitely exciting that you guys had have this in your community so yeah we just got more photos we wanted to show them all off so you can breath through those but it was fun to talk to the local residents to get their thoughts and see all the kids running around and people kaying so it's a great addition to your community that's great yeah now a black somewhere ni there you go D thank you thank you do you guys have any questions I just I would just add a few things to this we might know this from my not but the Genesis of this project came from the master plan we did in like 2008 2009 right so it was a Community Driven Master planning 15 years ago that made this project possible so a long game right 15 years to the fruition of a a vision of really the best premium Public Access we could afford um some of the community feedback shaped this in terms of the wall and the accessibility and the the idea that the DNR and the city were like equal Partners on this was really successful it was a community-driven project DNR was more than responsive to the community beond we made a wish this sort of if you will you know the walls got to be no higher than existing rocks got to be accessible you know as a community we really drove the BS here and I was pleased to be with it all along um signed a partnership agreement I think in like 2011 to transfer the official public water access from what is what had been you know Coast Guard o Coast Guard parking lot over to the parks side Public Access here at the end of the road of the rard um and yeah a really successful project and it's Community Focus and it's more than just a boat ramp for boers it's a public park space for all uh we saw really put that to the test this past season with warm Lake Superior Waters the haror was very swimmable in July and August and so we almost saw like a conflict of user groups and so it's you know we'll certainly grow with it as the community finds out about it the voting community in particular I think is still figuring it out as to oh it's a new launch it's on that side of the bay and the old launch remains right the docks there the ramps there it's usable it's preferred by a few um but it's nice to have this new launch that really serves a lot of the community and a lot of goals were accomplished so thanks to the support from the council all along the park board was a big thing it's sure a team effort but it's great to be rewarded and thanks for accepting this award for us yeah people were very impressed throughout you know they have big Coastal things and it was really exciting to talk about like Superior and our cute little great we'll put this in the new city hall I'll keep it in the M yeah there you go thanks sucessful project and that our community really is behind again thank you all thank you of course thanks for coming to yeah all right um we have two resolutions from the Planning Commission the first is 202443 L conditional year Michael yeah so with this one one thing I just want to start off with a little bit of a correction in here it says that there are two public comments and that they were in opposition but I think that one of them was Rec well so there were three yeah there were three oh there was three it was Johnson and then a couple right and then from them oh okay gotcha I was saying gotcha and then there was a question and then there a question so she wanted to make sure that her question wasn't got it okay well very good so uh with that um you know we obviously reviewed everything um that was presented to us and I think the the sense from the commission um was that um you know the the sense that we were going to have um you know a new home U built there was something that made us was compelling along with knowing that the family was going to be living above their own business in the neighborhood um that those that there are other short stays in the neighbor Hood in that zoning area and um so overall I think Commissioners were um felt strongly that it was a good move that it would be great to have a family there and that this is a you know it's it certainly is approved in that that uh or it's permitted in that area and it seemed like a good use we had a condition uh oh that's right placed on on itself that um that this condition is allowed only through this owner uh and that if they sold the property it wouldn't it would not transfer [Music] yeah they would have to reapply for mm is that shortterm zone go well Hospital commercial to the top does yeah and then the other shortterm rentals in that neighborhood then are below that we have across from here several I mean there's a hotel there's shortterm rentals's a short term other than the hotel we've got used to be Kevin or Keith's place now um I know it was longterm some that have transitioned from shortterm to longterm to single family again so it is a dynamic relationship yeah um and parking is not street street you can see in plenty plenty of yeah and they have the parcel behind as well oh okay not sure it didn't there we go there you are oh rnz okay and there's already a driveway off of the gun Trail then yeah or you have to create a different there is there's an existing garage on the property right that'll be used for regress and getting it on and off the property that same that same spot I guess we didn't I me certainly looks that way in the plans they pres yeah map on here there was a I think there was a map oh I some of it blew up so big that I can't should have been yeah but but in that original map but yeah it looks pretty clear like relatively small footprint of of a home I mean it was a modest home um with three I think it appeared like Studio efficiencies yeah um the FL on the first floor and they would occupy the second floor um owner operator y yeah no oh yeah maybe can just see and there was Apple parking yeah yeah I yeah and even before you add the yes and even before you add the the rear the lot in the back is also there the back on Adent yeah yeah East oh West yeah well it's the one of the Bloomberg yeah when they had that trailer there yeah right right okay and here the set back plans that didn't show up in the paper copy too it does and other requirements yeah yeah that that's in here but it's so big I can see it well but does say that they want to be able to see the living room from the kitchen [Laughter] to are there any questions besides what we've already discuss did you have okay um I would make a motion to would anyone like to second that I would okay any further questions or discussion all right um all in favor of resolution 202443 Martin conditional use I I right and with that that passes all right next up is resolution 2024 d44 of course we we get to see every little thing that ever happens on this property when they put out a little bit of a porch a little something because of where they are where they are located we will always um but as you can all see I'm sure from the the photos what what they're adding yeah yeah it's on the back side of buing com down so this is towards the neighbor you couldn't get any closer to the lake if you wanted to yeah we just put a few more rocks that's right the land find out where it well that was already done out here more than once i' imagine oh yeah yeah for sure but anyway uh I think that it it didn't strike anybody as asking too much um and you know we you know that they've been a good partner here in the city long time and any reason not to them we didn't get any responses from any neighbors with any complaints would anyone like to make a motion for resolution 2024 d44 angry trout variant I would make that motion all right second I'll second all right any further conversation or questions all in favor of resolution 2024 44 andry variant hi hi hik I was watching the news down there and like 68 M hour WIS was recorded here in grandar yeah over yeah yeah I might have had one land oh that's right I one just missed a house well it wasn't mine but your house your other property spooky it was a little Eerie Spruce big one went down by the just on the up from the old so you're going to have to conduct inventory now you gota just Shan what do we got yeah so thanks for having me um chy ask me to give you a little update you saw the memo the tree board has been meeting had a couple meetings um in September we did the tree inventory and we got some preliminary data so my slides just a few things um this is the area they inventory it's a lot like grand marray um the green is public trees that they either walked around and actually measured the tree itself if it was a significant tree like a Boulevard tree or or standing out in a park you know like like in downtown um along the harbor or they surveyed with satellite images or even flew drones over those areas to gather information uh the Orange is private trees so there was fill out to you know offer information about the trees in their yards um and then the purple City own wood Lots um those are a lot of well the one is is um the Public Works garage and then there are some alleys there marked off and they did they did do a pretty good survey of those so most of the trees half the trees um are five species Spruce Mountain Ash Red Pine Red Maple and Birch and then the rest the other half of the trees are all kinds and we got scientific names down there so I don't know how good your your your scientific names are for trees mine are a little rusty but there's a lot of there's a lot of native trees and there's some non-native trees mixed in there some ornamentals um but yeah white spruce that's got a lot of white spruce and they're getting old and they're getting old yeah um this is a measurement or just a graph of the trees dbh diameter at breast height so people actually were talking about they saw a guy out hugging trees and like that's actually what he was doing because he's measuring the trees at the at the breast Hep and so most of the trees are young trees you know the green and then the darker the well the green are 16 inches and greater with you know that 1% are greater than 25 Ines so most of our trees are actually small young trees he was hanging around Highway 61 a lot yeah uh and then this is the condition of those trees so the green is poor or dead and dying so that's 2% and then fair to good is the rest of the 98% so what's not measured is missing tree Wells like or trees that were removed so that that's not included in this this survey it's just trees that he can get his hands on and also not included as where those poor trees are the dead and dying trees we don't have that data yet we'll get that data but we don't have it yet so does the fact that that sort of upper city land get included here and it's a lot of land kind of skew these percentages I mean if you really were trying to focus about in the city or whatever yeah it could so this is yeah the early data this is what they shared with the tree board in October just wanted to give us a little crumb yep um what he found that the the surveyor biggest Hazard conflict with trees is overhead wires and so um you know 42 instances where a tree and a wire are conflicting so 29 instances where probably less now where there's a dead or a limb or something that's potentially hazardous um VI property or sidewalk conflicts can think of property and sidewalk conflict but um so that's not really a great piece of data but we'll get more details the interesting thing 66% of our trees totally fine 92% of spruce seeing Spruce but W worm defoliations again that was our biggest most abundant tree and so they're all getting eaten by Spruce but but Spruce but are native so it's kind of cycle here um and then there was identification of possible Emerald ashp 21 trees so he identify those as possible you didn't actually you'd have to cut a tree down and and look or take samples and you didn't you just saw what their what their polls look like so that would be um the DNR hasn't yet identified Emerald a report here so that would conflict with their if it's true wire conflex doesn't mean power lines by the way so it means communication lines because they're more prevalent than lower you mean like the wires going from your house up to the alley telephone fiber and telephone telephone mounted lower on yeah and then you have other lines feeding Residential Properties off of the right away and then just wanted to share where we're at in the process of developing the UR forestry management plan is we've done the data Gathering now they're they're summarizing the data um our next step is to get the full data and start to make goals about what the plan should try to accomplish based on the data so we're having our next meeting in December and then we'll have in our hands a draft of the plan after this we don't have anything right now we just have great and that's basically what this grant paid for was the inventory rate inventory and the plan y okay that's that's be great because just a refresher when um we applied for this and shamed at all the work writing it up um we asked for the larger Grant which would have gone right through to taking out diseased or trees that needed to go and getting them replanted with um trees that would also be more sustainable in long term and that's the part we didn't get but we have the ability to reapply once we get these things set up and maybe see this bill here on theboard you have anything else capture that pretty well think it did [Laughter] really all right yeah I think this is a a really great example of how it's a big project but once you if you successfully find grant money there are you know it's the other experts who are doing the work and of course Shane is writing a grant is not lot of fun coordinating grants even F but um you know then thanks that step in and really make a lot of this happen of course now we have have a tree board again too yeah all right so now we move on to ordinance 2024 three for cannabis looks just like the counties right well almost a lot of reformatting there are a few sections in here that are just straight up different yeah a couple of spots that you had discussed it your last meeting that may need to be Revisited just to make sure that we got the numbers right so I'm just going to walk through from start to finish but we're not going to spend any time on anything unless you want to okay so state laws adopted purpose and intent statement uh and then we've got some definitions uh quite a few less than the definitions in the County's ordinance because we're adopting the state law and the definitions we're using are theirs so we repeat a few of them here but mostly we don't re redo that work there's um we're holding ourselves accountable the states rule to respond to their licenses within 30 days that's a state rule we have to do it so whether we wrri in here and that doesn't matter severability jurisdiction enforcement so this is a little bit different than the counties county has Public Health involved in a lot of things and we don't have the access to a public health department so I am responsible for the administration of the ordinance and we are asking C Sheriff to be responsible for the enforcement because they do law enforcement for us uh I'm not sure it's 100% clear what the difference is all the time so you should just imagine if we're talking about processing paper or doing licensing work or doing Simple inspections that's administering answering questions about interpreting things like that if we're talking about um noticing violations and taking action on them that's enforcement well if I understand this too we also they have a mechanism to report any of those things right to ocm and they are responsible to come up here and check go out I remember that's how I remember reading it ocm has been doing inspections uh locally but when we pass an ordinance then we begin registering we will be responsible for inspections so I'm not sure we know yet what we get to have ocm still do on our behalf or what they intend to do regardless of our participation I meant complaints yeah in that sense complaint you you have to send that to them and then they're responsible to come and investigate it and they keep track of all of that I didn't mean like the annual compliance inspection I'm still not sure we're not going to be involved in that let's hope we don't have to worry about that frankly but okay we do say violations of this ordinance um are a misdemeanor so that means our rules that you're going to pass right here are punishable by misdemeanor means 90 days in jail so I mean maybe it's 30 days I don't know Robert get but it's just it's a serious crime right it's not it's not nothing and so if we're going to be um having somebody prosecute one of those locally I'm sure we'll be involved heavily in the investigation as well so cannabis registration of businesses this is all we know this um this is the reason we have the ordinance is because now we are responsible for registering register is a good word to to note here is not licensing the state is licensing the business we are just registering the business meaning we're keeping track of um we will do a preliminary inspection as we're saying and we will be responsible for annual compliance checks which of course we're going to have the coounty sheriff's office involved with to do the age verification but we are the ones that will do the just check and make sure the rules are being followed uh this is a little intimidating and you remember we're limiting it to one we got one potential store that we're going to be checking one time a year to make sure that they are in compliance with our ordinance uh we have our own requirements about whether we will register them so most of this comes straight out of the state law um let's see there is I mean we're going to make sure that they are compliant with the requirements of local ordinances established which means this one right here but also that they're current on property taxes and assessments at the location where they want to be and then they're going to provide us with some information on an application form we haven't created it yet but this is what we're going to ask for in it um they they will pay an application fee we've listed the reasons the basis for denial if we're going to say no to a registration it's because of one of these things here um this again mostly is out of the states template and and they basically have you know prescribed what you can deny core right I mean we can't really go outside of that well um yes and no I mean they they've been pretty specific on a lot of things yeah but we're saying if they're not in compliance with this ordinance we can say no and we have some leeway as to what we can in clud in assortments so there is some ability for you to make decisions about why you might say no it's not a lot say it's pretty limited right yeah because I thought it was just like Place time and Manner and manner manner time place includes a lot that's right yeah and they were specific about what they meant by some of those things but some of them cities and conies are being creative in what they think that means and you know it'll take some time to sort out for sure uh registration fee and and we're saying not exceed 500 we're also saying uh the renewal registration shall not exceed a th000 that's the state's limit and we're also saying we will include these in chapter 36 of our code which is our fee schedule but we haven't done that yet so perhaps in Reading number two will actually just add those amounts in if those amounts are what you want them to be and so and I had asked some questions I like earlier and so number two where is a copy of the valid state license well this is all be through software I mean we're going to get notice that someone has been granted a license or trying to get a and it'll all be online okay so like we're going to be trading paper back and forth well I hope not yeah I think I think so I mean and it's coming from them and then we just have to do these few things I don't know there is a lot and we should be charging some things for this right we should because we will be expending effort on community behalf to take care of this um a history of compliance by way of its renewal the applicant shall consent to release by ocm to the city this is something that's in a lot of ordinances there might be some question about because it gets back to the well so what if we ask for this do we have any basis to deny and I think the reasoning here is that maybe the ocm has some historical compliance records that are actually gerain to our ordinance that they wouldn't deny because of because they don't know what our ordinance says but that we might deny because we find something out I don't expect this to be an issue but it's just it's in there right now because of something like that yeah because to me that gets back to the fact that basically they're we have an obligation if they're not doing something right we have to let ocm know so that's next if we're going we have the the authority to suspend a registration and the duty to notify ocm if we do that and and why um and then what they have 30 days they have to they can't sit on it either yeah a response I mean I don't know what response means but they can't sit on it and do nothing for more than 30 days they don't necessarily resolve it at that point um limiting registrations we're limiting to one we can't limit to zero do we do we ever really know that we talked in you meeting L with the county like do we know this I I don't have a issue other than I just want to make sure we're making a decision based on what we know if we pass this registration ordinance we know it can't be zero if we don't pass a registration ordinance and we rely on the counties it's not clear whether it can be zero or not but it's not a for sure I suspect that it wouldn't survive a real challenge because it seems like it's really in the face of the what the state's Direction has been on this but I don't think we really know on it I don't think there's real clear language that describes that because I did this on a county level so it just it does feel like an issue that I don't have a strong feeling one way or another I just want to be real clear why we're doing it and it's not because we think we have to I mean whatever everybody wants it would be nice to have clarity about that yeah I mean I I really got the idea that we are compelled I didn't I didn't feel like we really had that beway I mean that's what kind of sucks is that we can't really make a decision too much I mean maybe there is Manner whatever that helps us maybe weed out some of the people we may not but we can't make it Municipal well here manner um and place both of which are relevant here zoning and buffer requirements this is straight out of the County's list there was disagreement about this at your last meeting but it seemed like a majority was willing to include these numbers as they were in the draft you looked at let's just revisit that to be sure a th000 feet of a school 500 feet of a daycare 500 feet of a residential treatment facility 500 feet of an ATT traction within a public park that is regularly used by minors and includes a playground or athletic field so that's our buffers th000 feet from school 500 from those other things I'll just quickly show you the map and that was the standard that sorry that was the standard is 500 let you know at least for a school and I will let you know that I look to kind of see what was going on around the state both the City of Minneapolis and St Paul actually lowered that to 300 which really surprised me but I I personally can't support a th feet when we're trying to have a business district do its thing and then a school comes I me all this is great to support our children but nobody at GES seemed concerned that they were building a school right close to a grocery store that sell cigarettes and we wouldn't let a building go up close to the school that was going to you know what I mean and I think it's common sense that we wouldn't have it's not like I'm expecting to as a flip to think about it but I just feel like if we're going to have zoning and this is a business district and then surprisingly to see two large metropolitan areas who are going to have a lot more of these businesses than we ever will um didn't seem concerned about that um and you know the county put it up to a thousand but so the okay so it's a but we have we have the ability to adjust that you can set it anything you want one of the things the county is already looking at yeah I think th is the max is that correct no I mean the map there so that so the blue you can't that's right if based on the thousand feet from school 500 feet from those other uses this is the blue areas are what is inside the buffer zone you cannot have a retail facility there so if you're you're allowing one in the in the entire city the majority of our commercial zones that allow retail use are open to that one but there are some spots where we would allow retail use that are not open to that one what about Municipal Municipal pabis dispens yeah is that possibility in the future it's in this ordinance we'll get to it yeah um so when you put this together um go back sorry baby you don't even have is that just putting up the circles is that how you create that like there's a circle care like are these circles with a core like there's a DOT here oh like for the which is the use and then wherever the dot exists lives inside of a parcel so you can see the actual black outline of the GES parcel yep and then the the buffer is a th000 feet from every piece of that black line around the property so that kind of creates this one yep you change that to half of that which is really where the state starts and it gets you all the way to Highway 61 still it's about 400 feet or less than to get from the property GS property to Highway 61 so you you at 500 feet you'd still be well into Lin's property here's one of the things our ordinance doesn't do yet and the doesn't okay that's IG and this is sisters I know you kind of calculated that last time for us that's right sister's place is inside of that blue so somewhere we be around years so even if we went to 500 are they yeah is probably not at 500 it's probably right outside of it but what part of it are we measuring and so our ordinance doesn't say any part of the building can't be within 500 feet of any part of the property and that's the way that this map is drawn but that's not what our ordinance says our ordinance does not define it that explicitly and the count is looking at their ordinance the same way and thinking we need to be more specific about what's the distance measured to and from is it from Front Doors is it from the school to the front door of a of a building or is it you know we just need to think of that through or is it property yeah property lines right now this is just saying um you could be on a property that's inside of this buffer if the building wasn't inside the buffer so this is the you know if we look at like I can't look at a good example of one there because it seems like it cuts it really nicely on the property L but let's say it did it was at 500 feet and most of the Steve Sports building was inside of the 500 ft but they still have a big parking area that's not and there's room for a store there they could put one in even though most of their property is inside of the 500 feet yeah and I mean and then we you know like I was thinking more even some of the properties heading farther east I I just don't understand why we need a th000 feet we're almost to the end the lake yeah especially the advertising me I don't yeah well you can uh take a straw pole right now if you want or you can think about it until a second reading if you want I can take a swipe at it I mean I think 500 things Fair considering our you know just looking that the other four items are 500 ft daycare Residential Treatment Facility public B playground or athletic field and it's not it's not a public park it's a it's a playground or an athletic field that's in a public park so the campground for instance there's only a playground in the campground and an athletic field in the campground that trigger it it's not the campground itself even know the whole thing is a public park right gotta and now the the triangle in front of the library is not a public park and it doesn't have a playground or an athletic field so it doesn't trigger this that part was kind of confusing to me especially because kids are hanging out there now a lot and they're going there after school a lot and they're right downtown but yeah which it seems kind of funny in a way then we aren't really protecting those kids well a facility like this gets built and then somebody says I want to build a playground over here oh then well actually that's the next language you can put the playground in then we Happ us to the 500 foot they can still be there if they were there before the playground they can stay okay yeah and then what if if there's ever like a sale or a transfer to a different owner does that trigger uh you know are these this says can business seeking regulation from continuing operation at the same site so I don't know that it answers that question 100% yeah I wouldn't have thought of that just the license is not transferable but no not trans yeah okay so even if you bought the building it you got the license the size of our 500t 500 feet you3 well I'm just looking at that I think if you if that you that's drawn up as a feet right now yeah yeah or we can go whatever am I we can go whatever amount we want I mean that St started with and I think the to your point your earlier point Tracy I mean it does not entirely but it starts to loosen up on the East End of 61 we go to 500 and that will certainly get more of our retail area available but I think you know like some of those other ones so I mean that's like Maria and then that's um dayc careal Church daycare yeah what do they have on here it's [Music] 500 now I think we probably do have flexibility with this type of activity this is time place man stuff if we had other uses or some of these didn't make sense to us right and if you look at this obviously the school the main ISD 166 and then the community center and all that property is really what's triggering most of this buffer zone but almost all of that is a place where we wouldn't allow this store to be anyway just from a zoning perspective yeah so the only Zone that the main school property buffer zone really gets to is it probably squeaks through the top of John johs son's and and and just Mrs sister's place um and it definitely is inside of IgA and and Steve Sports um not the front door but definitely through the building uh the BDA we do allow retail use in and it is well within you know anything close to the gunfun trail is well within that thousand feet and so this that's really the only place where the th000 Ft from the main School makes it difference so 500 ft from the main school the only change that would make is it would potentially open up some of the BDA not right at the entrance to the to the park but you know the lots are right inside of there and then it would take all the highway 61 commercial property and make that clearly okay well we're just you're talking about here no I'm talking about just talking about talking not just GS but that main ISD 166 and going that's their own thing right that comes down and this layers on top of it well there's there's a thousand foot buffer around that big rectangle that's the school right there right that that's what I'm saying so that's what's creating this bar and this is sort of layered on top of it creating a second Circle and so this would influence some of it which is commercial too much anyways and we could even go below that we could say 300 or 200 right and try to capture some of this or I mean it's really our choice yeah if you said 300 it probably then does open up all of the business park other than the church on the corner which isn't going to do it anyway it open up opens up all Highway 61 does it open up both sides of high 61 yeah and it's it's not it you won't have perfect flexibility on where to locate it on the gunfun trail itself because really it's under 400 feet from G's property to that intersection so that even at 300 you've got to be right on the intersection if you want to be on the corner but there's there' be room on the rest of the Steve Sports property to put something if someone wanted to do that something in the what we really consider a a commercial quor along 61 yeah yeah I mean you're right we do have businesses up that road but they AR necessarily retailing when you look at the the dayc carees in the middle of the neighborhoods the Congregational Church one at 500 feet does get into commercial areas where we would allow retail stores might be okay though because I mean one of the problems we've got I think it might be a problem anyway is that in our commercial residential mixed use District we allow retail as a primary as a permitted principal use and um that is really ingrained inside of neighborhoods where people have homes and I don't know if that's what we meant by I mean you could open a liquor store if we allowed those in town right there too based on zoning and I don't think that's what we really intended for retail to mean in that setting yeah so the the daycare ones actually Mak sense to me at 500 feet okay well I would like to go with 300 if that loosens up some of that so 300 for all of them or just for school oh just the school I'm sorry I was talking about all of them that was the only one I want to talk about was the school okay well we'll write 300 in the next draft and we'll get a map like this to show what 300 look looks yeah nice visual all right let's switch back I mean I think I mean just on a principle though why would you stay at 500 on a daycare and just go to 300 on a school just for convenience on mapping I mean it's if that's the case and you don't be hard to explain yeah yeah I could see 500 across the board but that would be a tough what yeah what would be 300 with it I don't know yeah maybe it doesn't it's our town is so small it's hard to have these yeah you start bumping into each other no matter what why don't we do two maps for next time and we'll do one that's 300 for everything and one that's 500 for everything and you can look at those okay all right great so what zones do we allow this in uh not the pink rights the downtown which is the kind of reddish at the bottom of the screen we allow it in Highway 61 which is all the yellow we allow it in the commercial residential mixed use which is the dark blue we allow it in the HMU Highway mixed use which is the brown grayish Brown we allow it in where the yeah that it's allowed in and so really that's the first time that we've run into a school conflict is where you can see all that commercial property the right adjacent to uh GES building and then the BDA it's allowed in so there's a lot of that property Zone BDA that's on the south side of the gunfun trail which is mostly owned by the county and isn't going to have store Le I don't think they're going to open one there but there are a couple of lots on both sides of the road then they're all well within the bound I don't care if you're 300 or 500 whatever they're going to be in the buffer zone for the school so really the only spot where it might work is it it's 300 feet and you look at that lot it's on the east side of the driveway to the BDA or any of the ones that are interior hours of operation 10 to 10 this is every day 10 to 10 you could change that to be different on Sundays if you want it or something like that but I don't know why we really have any it seems kind of arbitrary at this point yeah I just was sure if that's why you didn't have it in there you know advertising two fixed signs on the exterior of the building um unless otherwise limited by our zoning orance just well thing you you brought it up about how we're measuring yeah um should we talk about that like maybe we should just measure building to building I mean like here's your or building to lot I guess would makes sense like here's the school building yeah take that up the level and just understand that when you pass this we're not done okay that it because first of all the state's not done and so we don't know how this is all going to play out and there will be things we didn't think of now that's one we did think of maybe we'll have a chance to refine that a little bit for next time I'd like to talk to Molly before she leaves about what they're thinking of County and um but if we don't get that figured out now I think we still have six to 12 months before the state's going to be ready to do licensing okay very good is kind of unfortunate yeah I I was just thinking for our mapping exercise it would make a difference yeah well we can come up with a couple examples then and talk about how that would play out okay the only thing we might be affected by is those are they going to no well well here we go again so the social Equity ones when they get them ready will they be as of the first of the year them ready too I I mean they still that's what they they said everything's ready to they're ready by the first of the year but I don't think they mean they're ready to Grant licenses by the first of the year so that would still pause them on that too they don't want and wouldn't be to the they're they're they're done with their Lottery right they've already done that part but I don't think they're close to being ready to license these no that article said they were like in the final stage of going through and doing Final determinations on those but they wanted to done by the end of the year but it's still like okay so do those people get them I mean we'll see I guess we see whates we have insurance requirements yeah we are allowing ourselves um to operate a municipal cannabis retail business we're of course subject to our own rules here which isn't always the case so that's probably a good thing that we're mentioning it um it doesn't count towards the one limit so even if we decide to open a store someone else can still open a store as long as they meet all the requirements of assortments uh we did not mention the county in this paragraph so right as of now this draft would not necessarily allow the county to operate a municipal store inside the city limits of grand marray I guess if they intend to do that they're going to have to come talk to us and then this is newer stuff that wasn't in the Count's lower potency hemp Edibles I was hoping that um the registration requirements for this would not be the same as the ones for actual fullblown cannabis y but our attorneys are advising us otherwise that the statutes pretty clear that if you're registering you're registering there's a lot more of these that do low potency hemp um we don't have the we don't have a difference right now between how we're treating low potency hemp Edibles in this ordinance and how we're treating other cannabis retail businesses so this will mean that uh we're now in the business of registering these there's a number of places in town that are selling low potency hemp Edibles they'll have to register I believe they're all registered right now through the state right yeah and now if we pass this when they re register they have to registered through us okay and then not the state that right they still had to work through the state sure they still have to still work through the state yes I can offer a comment on that um they will have to be licensed by the state going forward um just like the other cannabis businesses so that is one of the big changes hence why the law is also requiring the registration part um as well right yes so be a similar yeah so this will mean where there was absolutely no boundaries into getting into this business of low potency Edibles before this law was passed there's going to be some now and we'll see if everybody still wants to do it when they have to pay fees and go through the whole process of of the state's compliance I know there are a lot of businesses that maybe all of them frankly that were already U inspected by the state in Cook County including the grar municipal wior star so this is good that they're they're getting some practice in on how they want to do it and uh that's right because we in that meeting um yeah clear VI talked about their showed off there this is what the state looks at when they're here informative uh Chris FC shared his inspection report so I could just see what it looked like because the guy came up and he did the whole Shore was it like a day and a half or something or whoever it was yeah there's a couple dozen I think registered in Cook County yeah and then they also found some places that were not registered but were selling products that you probably didn't think you needed to be registered for I do okay um so they are actually doing this yeah the state the department is at the at word L word compliance checks zoning districts all that stuff is the same the next now storage of products for low potency hemp Edibles um we're saying this is I believe out of state rules but if not it's pretty common a lock case behind a checkout counter at least one foot from conventional cying gum um I think this is going to be a little tricky to uh figure out the whether it looks like um things that are you know meant to be sold for children because there's a lot of very brightly colored fruit drinks that we're selling in the municipal liquor store right now that if they were sitting on a Shelf with a bunch of soft drinks you'd have no idea now it's the municipal liquor store so I'm not concerned about it there because we've got all the protection we need we're caring everybody we're not selling to people but if it's in a convenience store that's a different story well this when I went to those conferences the state had all these you know very specifics on that what they could do and not do yeah creative when it comes to this so my question just really quick on the zoning was it's not just the zoning in the sections but it also includes the 500 ft things we were talking but that's I was trying to clarify on the zoning thing the other day is it both components yes okay okay all right just want to make sure so then they'll still have and they'll have the insurance as well the poy folks is that the insurance is the same the buffers are the same the zones are the same yeah basically we're saying they're they're going to be treated the same wow yeah that's well it's it's uh I don't know if it's an over correction but boy I'm glad there's something because oh yeah it was a really strange thing to just have absolutely no rules about it in the state of Minnesota so and this doesn't seem like much this still fits I think pretty well what how we do things around here but yeah I'm just think about people been doing it were like oh there's a consideration too when we think about that those step back things you call them because we're looking at probably more businesses that would be interested in this it's been fairly profitable so next next time we talk about that remember that it's both of indoor advertising spaces above three feet in height um we'll have to make sure that we're actually doing that I don't know that we have any advertising that I'd say in the municipal liquor store but we certainly have product that's under three feet yeah for sure and then Outdoors two fixed signs here as well now we didn't say anything about how big they are what they can say or anything like that our zoning ordinance has all those rules yeah then this um next chunk and the our attorneys asked um should this be included in the same ordinance this is something that um I think the counties in particular all looked at and said there are some missing pieces here when it comes to penalties for some of the things that the state has said are not legal and so they're establishing those penalties so we can talk more and I guess I'll talk to our attorneys and to the county attorney about whether this needs to be in ours if it's in the counties already uh about the penalty section since they are both our law enforcement and our prosecutor right now I don't want to re make this redundant if it doesn't have to be there but for now this is just adding um a couple of violations to to the things that the state kind of didn't include in theirs okay so but they would they wouldn't have jurisdiction or in the city were they on their ordinance for this I mean if we don't include it I don't think so which is why we did include it but just we'll test that out to be sure so this is looking at not things that are not MISD demeanors but are just py misdemeanor so that the state wouldn't have included it in their rules and we're saying okay if you're under AG then it's a petty misdemeanor to have 2 ounces or less of flour obviously it's a misdemeanor than if you've got 2 ounces or more in your underage but that's a state rule not ours eight grams or less of concentrate edible products um it's just putting those um underage under 21 rules in here that don't really exist in the state statute and that is it we've come to the end it's 10 pages of all new language inter code um yeah it covers everything I think that the was in the state's template and is in the counties that we participated in customizing and then it's got a few other things as well and it's kind of so do we need make a motion now and then a second reading if you are okay with where this is at that's what I would ask is for first reading tonight so Motion in a vote and then we'll come back at a follow-up meeting with some new maps and you can make sure those numbers are what you want them to be great before the second reading so so we need a motion for this yeah just so would someone like to make a motion for ordinance 2024-25 to is that considered a setback no not using language right buffer buffer buffer buffer zone is there anything else we need to clarify well there was the that legal language at the and yeah the other piece okay all right and the additional misdemeanor P misdemeanor for underage or underage all right anyone like to make a motion I would make that motion second any further questions for discussion all right all in favor I I I I so I don't know if we answered your question specifically or not we are allowed to have a store we don't have an intention to right now it's interesting process listen all right Kim did you get that correctly it's recorded oh we don't okay that's want make sure yeah um all right thank you everyone hey we're on to council and staff reports all I have is the animal Arrowhead Animal Rescue Y and they didn't really have anything new I mean it's just ongoing concerns from them about the overall cost and mounting bills and a very slow progress and they they've not they haven't looked the agreement at all I asked them what they wanted me to convey to the council and they really didn't have anything okay anything else then nope uh well I was at the planning and zoning and then the HR stuff so we've covered all of it yeah yeah just plenty of okay okay yeah we had a PC meeting in the meeting uh PC meeting we did have a some um we passed a 3% rate increase for E electricity um can with that is electricity the E electricity electricity oh God yeah um anyway just to uh I we summarize this in the P I guess I can summarize it here so everybody can understand um wholesale price rates were increased about 10% in 2023 um they're charging us a uh wholesale energy cost um cost adjustment for 2023 which is about $447,000 that's an extra fee that we have and um that's on about 1.8 million is what we spend on wholesale electricity and um also there transmission expenses transmission line expenses of about 20,000 annually and uh anyway our past retail rate adjustments so people can understand um we did a 3% raise in 2016 we did a 2% and 17 we didn't do any changes um 18 19 20 21 and 22 um we did a 3% increase in 23 2% for this year 2024 and for next year a 3% rate increase for 25 basic basically because of those other fees I guess it's what 80 what about $ 890,000 of extra expenses we're going to see for 2025 yeah that's really to the credit of both the wholesale entity that we're a member of southern Minnesota Municipal Power and their efforts to control costs and be creative and just the work that we've done here we've gone through some pretty significant uh times including some really heavy inflationary times recently and not a lot of increases comparatively yeah because didn't you say there was like a 10% inre in 2023 yeah simp did a 10% increase yeah um okay that was on the agenda yeah um then for the recart we did finish up uh pretty good report for October even though we started out with a wet May and June um year-to-date year-to-date Revenue through the end of October is up 5% from 2023 is total so we did kind of meet our expectations of our increases for 2020 um 4 and so that's good news I think for the city as far as as we're going through this budgeting process um so between the expectations of what happened at the rec park and I'm not sure what the numbers are Insurance savings but yeah that kind of helps us out when we go to set our our Levy there's some money that work for sale that works some okay um um so all in all it was a busy summer again for the it's all yeah I said some parts of town weren't having as good a sun end and ended up October was a nice weather month at least where I was it was 85 every day you guys are having a nice it was great nice ball was a nice yeah so that's good it pushed some numbers up for the park still kind of having it yeah seems like a regular fall maybe a little late a little late but it's yeah still not bad yeah um last Wednesday the NorthShore management uh group organization so they had been working for well and revising their plan and then they have public hearings so they had a public hearing here last Wednesday down at the Hub so I went down there great presentation they have a brand new woman from the arc helping run this program and but she did pretty good job for she's been at the arc for quite a while but top nice presentation you had people from Portage Sher Toy Show which included Margaret Watkins which is very nice and um some other people so that was great um if you've not already heard there's an official press release that I believe has gone out but the new Eda director is Heidi krampitz she'll be coming here with her family from can hon her work career starts up by around uh kabic County and the upper um part of the Metro like around Big Lake working in NOA and some other places as well so she's had a really good mix of of um kind of Metro but then sort of those Fring areas that are more rural larger and whatever and she's done a lot of work um e Economic Development work and of course um one big question is you know can you be a Lone Ranger on this this isn't a big department with the last staff and she felt that really fit with a lot of what she's done in the past and she put a lot of effort apparently um wasn't part of the hiring committee but we just sort of asked for you know descript of what made this go well or you know had that direction for her and um they commented that with the um potential with the money we have to get working on developing and Tac Harbor to put a lot of effort into trying to understand what the was in Vision what where I could go so that was really good so we have a new Eda director um it once again signed off uh on the canvas board from the elections on Friday um I guess that was kind of it for that just I guess now I just had a few questions so everyone got their nice inform about and I know we've been talking about this for the last couple years but do we have um like a plan once we identify or is it is the plan number one to identify I know there's and are there money and dollars we need to be going after I mean there's been so much thrown at this lead line stuff for several years like gone to the conferences and stuff they know there's dollars for but do we have a we don't have any lead identified and so and we don't expect to find lead service lines we don't have any reason to believe we would find any okay but because we just don't know what they are the state we're in we tried to provide that notice in what I thought was a reasonable way uh the state disagrees and so we'll be sending a new notice to everybody that's much more inflammatory and um you know full scary things that we don't believe there's a real risk but it's what the state wants us to say and so we will say it excellent um do we have any updates is Chris kilum making any progress or any updates from him meetings I Haven in a while well you probably saw I'm sure you got all my monthly reports memorized and so you probably saw two months ago when I said that hood and I sat down with Chris and his team and talked about potential ideas to move forward and they they sent us back a uh draft to look at a couple days ago oh she just got something finally really just got it yeah okay so I think it's great uh definite progress I mean it was two months ago the conversation I thought ended well with some really workable ideas and it sure seems like Chris wants to get going again on it which is good news yeah yeah awesome okay I guess that's all I had oh I do have one question though um because I like to sleep well at night so with a city hall and Linker star project um and I ask this at the time are we in any risk at all right now of losing that tax credit for the thermal do we have to get back in touch with the the our consultant who's helping with this we're not in any risk of that um if you want to get an update from them I'll reach out and ask for one but we've been tracking the numbers for that separately they're taking care of all the reporting theral yeah to get the tax credit there's any huge changes to tax law that might come sooner rather than later are we good I I mean I can't guarantee that but we're doing what we can do and we can't really fast trck it more than it is we don't we're not not done so no I know I just and I'm thinking that consultant's probably watching that very closely so I just wanted to know if they had any updates or anything I realize no they haven't I mean I don't know of any reason why we should be concerned about that in the next two or three months I think it'd be pretty hard for any changes to be made to any federal programs that but but um it's kind of out the door and if it does for us it's it doesn't there's nothing we can do either way yeah we've already so just start what how much money was that to do the I mean how much yeah how much tax credit would have been I think it's close to 300, that's what I thought yeah yeah it it was good well there's not much I can do about just get it yeah we're GNA do everything that we need to do so all that I haven't um when you doing a tour anytime you want okay anytime let know send me a text want to go tomorrow morning yeah I got to go give some blood then I'll go oh that's right bleed all over the place perfect yeah let's do that yeah that's fine yeah it's great so is that everything then Michael I'm sorry you prob had stuff you wanted to say I've said so much I don't anything else I'm good all right thank you all right is over with thanks Robert thanks thanks everybody have a good one H not yet just a moment here tomorrow morning is