Okay. All right. Call this meeting of Grand Marray Library Board of Trustees to order. It's 5:00 p.m. Thank you all for being here. We'll go around and do introductions. I'm
Darren McManis, board chair. Anna Linder, uh, trustee. Nancy Jar, trustee. Sue Mlone, trustee. Kevin Moore, trustee. Brian Lang, librarian,
city library. Amanda St. John, library director. All right, no visitors today, just us. Um, for the consent agenda, we have today's agenda, the minutes from last month. Thank you, Ryan. And the plan of
bills. Any changes to the agenda? a motion to approve as presented. I do need to after you after you second Okay, wait. He's He's just saying no.
Um the minutes from last time me as being present, but I was in Arizona. Mir in spirit, but yes, we we felt you. Okay. So, I was trying to I don't know. Do I need to move that that be amended
or? Yes. Yes. Okay. I I so move. Second and uh add me in there. Yeah. Start all over again and say as amended. I move that we um approve the consent
agenda as amended. My pen isn't working. I have a I have a stair. Thank you. All right. So, we have a motion from Nancy and a second from Michael. A motion from Michael and second from
Nancy. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I oppose. Motion passes unanimously. All right. May you have an update for us? Oh, sure.
Um, we are working on replacing the staff computers this year and all of those but one have been completed. They're installed. We used a cloning technique so that the working environment is as familiar as it could be from our old ones and um, it's going
very smoothly. Um outside here by the retainer wall a couple years back we had a large tree come down and I've been working with Aaron and Parks and Wreck to get the root ball up and that is finally out.
We've got wood chips down and then they're making a plan for putting more trees uh couple some kind of something's out there um where the old one was or nearby. Um it's not library property. It is this chunk of city land, but I I
certainly like to advocate for it to be maintained. And so that is happening. Um, also my um peers and building maintenance came by and uh blew the debris off of all of our sidewalks and our handicap parking. So, we're getting
fresher out there with the landscaping tentatively planned to start with the reclamation of our garden out front here um about the third week of May. Good. So, all of that under spring
cleaning. I went ahead and did our uh uh what do you call this? our um ad, if you will, in the community Cook County Community Programs booklet again. And this year everything's in full color and it just looks really
fantastic. Nice. Um last year I heard almost nothing about this circular, but this year people are letting me know that they've received it. So, I'm pretty excited about it. Okay. It's it's a Lisa, but what's the name of the of her business? Who's doing
the garden? It is Tro landscape. Landscaping. All the suburbs. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, this wasn't ready to be a memo in the board packet, but to close the communication loop on community
foundations money, um, DUTH Superior was not able to get back to me in time for this meeting. They're transitioning all of their their um, software and will get back to us shortly, but St. Paul and Minnesota Foundation
wanted us to know that um let me say it correctly. The so we have a fund balance with the St. Paul Minnesota Foundation fund that is about $47,000. You can see that in the communication in your board packet.
That money is not spendable. it is kept in perpetuity and the um every year we receive a spendable amount that is 5% of the fund balance taken over the last 21 quarters which this year equal
$1,500 thereabouts. And so that money when we're when we're looking at all of our um financial health, that $1,500 goes into the 215 every year and it's part of that approximately $5,000
growth that I see happening um annually. So hopefully that's clear. and then I can put something in the next packet about the delete superior situation which will be a little different because that refund check that we would ordinarily get every
year's prior asked that that be resubmitted to the fund and so there's a larger chunk there but it functions I think similarly report any questions for available. Right, moving on to
communications, we have the St. Paul, Minnesota fund statement and the letter I sent to the library friends to thank them for their very generous donation to the library. It was really wonderful of them. It was a good letter. Thank you
for doing that. Yes, it is. And then under new business, we have the bylaws. We had mentioned at a previous meeting that we wanted to review them um and see if there were changes we wanted to make or just to have them all
fresh in our mind. Well, when we talked about looking at the bylaws, we were wondering what exactly our powers are because the bylaws say that we have that we hire the library
director and we draw the we are responsible for the budget which in fact isn't really true. The city is responsible for it. So the question was raised are we administrative board are we a
um advisory board but I did some research because I'm that kind of nerd and what I discovered actually last night or last yesterday afternoon and I called Amanda all excited about it and I
you know I didn't bring it with me and do you have did did you get it the I took a look did different boards and I looked at the Henipin County Library Board and it was very interesting
because what they basically say is they have it let me see if I if I can say this in an articulate manner. uh they start out right at the beginning
saying the county board of commissioners because in this case it's the county they do X and the county library board does Y. So here's what the not that we're going to do it the same way but the board of
commissioners county board of commissioners maintains the system of public libraries determines the location of the libraries. It's a big system levies taxes directs operates and manages the county library system and
appoints members to the board. Now, uh, the the board and they specify by state law and then by county law, but essentially what the board does is determine the contents of the collection. They're responsible for the
use of library meeting rooms. They make recommendations to the county administrator about the appointment or a removal of the library director. And that's kind of falls into what we were talking about when we talked about um
having some say in the evaluation of the director and the hiring of a director. And then further they establish rules governing library operation. They review the operating budget for submission to the board of commissioners. They develop
a long range plan. They accept and manage gift and trust funds. So that's like us. That part's like exactly like us. And so my sense is we should be amending or
changing or rewriting, however you want to put it, our bylaws in uh to basically say this is what the city does and this is what we do. So that it's very clear. And so we're kind
of We're at an administrative board but with some advisory functions. And so that was the first thing. And then some of the others like the order of business at regular meetings, we should just change that so
it reflects what we actually do. And then it also our bylaws talk about committees, committees of one or more members each for such specific purposes.
Well, the problem with this is I think the open meeting law if we have committee meetings of two or three members or however I suppose they could be recorded or videotaped, but we're a
small board. Do we really need to even have committees is my question. So something we did have meet committees until a few years ago. Well, if we don't do it anymore, we should take it out. Or do we leave it in as an option for the future? Yeah. But if we leave it in as
an option for the future, maybe we should also make a note about open meeting law so that people don't just say, "Oh, okay." Um, you and Sarah go out and rewrite the and then you and I meet in a coffee shop and we violate the law. Do you see what I'm saying? I do.
Yes. Okay. Um, I Yeah, I think it's a given that the library board will follow statute. I I'm sure I'm sure it is, but I I don't know. Um it's just a thought. Yeah. Yeah. If we leave the committees in there, we
should have if we leave the comm Yeah. We should just make the note that they are subject to the open meeting law. Um duties of the library director, fine. Uh I didn't see anything else that was particularly but I think we really
really need to make the really important change is we need to be specific about the city does this and we do that well the county and the county if that's the case too
county is the case yeah whatever county smiles and pays the bill I'm still I'm still I'm still trying to figure out then I haven't lived here for for my whole life but but whatever we we should we should make it very clear. Yep.
Absolutely. And then we know what we're supposed to do and the city knows what it's supposed to do. And when it comes to Well, I'm sure we're not going to um fire the library director, but when it comes to hiring the next director,
if that happens or evaluating the current director, that we have a say. Yeah. That we have a say in that. I think that's very important. So where do we want to reword this?
Um I think that we should just have an maybe let's see we have article one the name of the organization is the board of trustees. Article two could actually be that who does what and then we would
just go for the rest renumber them as it were. And then let's not even though it's a little picky but let's let's not forget the order of business at regular meetings and just change that so it reflects Yeah. So that it reflects what we actually do.
and with the committees then just say if committees are appointed they follow the meeting law and we could actually quote the statute or not quoted but cited. Yes. Thank you. So since we don't have committees right now we can't pass this
off to them. So we would each write to Amanda our suggestions for the changes in the bylaws and then she can compile them and bring them to us. Yeah, it's a good way. So, we're actually
not making huge changes except that that first one is a huge change because it it tells us who we are because these don't this what we have now doesn't it's doesn't tell us who we are, what we do. We don't have an annual
meeting. That's right. Oh, good call. Oh, where was that? Oh, I see right there. Oh, no. This is this is this is not ours. This is the Hen This is Henipin counties. Well, it's the annual meeting in the sense that that's when we elect officers. Yeah. The organization. Yeah. But we don't have Yeah. But we
don't have it in here that he was looking over here. I was looking at that. I didn't remember. I didn't see. Yeah. I was very I was very glad I found this. I I looked around and a lot of the the smaller libraries around here either
have um and what when I did find them, the uh bylaws were kind of sketchy at best or I couldn't find them and I wanted to see this was interest to me as I say I'm a nerd. I was looking for the duth bylaws and I couldn't find them. I
know they have them because they say we have bylaws and I'm looking for the button that says press here to see but I didn't find them. So, but I but we maybe don't need them. We just do our own and I think it'll be fine. Thank you for looking into that for us. Oh, you
are welcome. I'm I do it because I'm lazy ultimately. I don't like to reinvent. If somebody else has an idea, I'm happy to steal it. These are from 1993. We've stuck with the same bylaws for a long time. Well, I think weren't
these Oh, yeah. Adopted 1993. You were right. Yeah. It's time. It's time to update. And I don't know in the wording if we have to say something about under the Joint Powers Act blah blah blah if we
need to. It might be might be good to have um city or county attorney look it over and just sure like this is what we need or right and we're not taking away
anybody's power because I I doubt that the city the city council really wants to go into things like um the collection uh development program and what that's
going to be. I mean, I can't really I don't know, but I can't see you discussing that at your next meeting or other kinds of things. Yeah. So, we all get edits to Amanda by what's
the week before the meeting next? I have my phone in my pocket. the 14th or something. I'm gonna toss that back to you. Yeah, sure thing. And I have your comments from today.
This counts, too. Oh, good. Is it the 14th? Yeah. So, um, if I could get them by the 15th. Wait, wait, I'm in April. Oh my gosh. Let me do it again. That was April.
14. Oh, for uh make it Wednesday the 14th so that I have time to get the board packet out hopefully on the 15th. 459 or 1159. So probably on this timeline I would be getting your edits at that point. I
would be putting some of my own thoughts together as well and presenting that back to the board. Um if I given that timeline it would be the meeting after that that we would have the possibility of the administrator's perspective.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Do we have someone who going to uh bring this to the county and uh do you want to bring this bring this to the city lawyer just or connect with the city to see if they have any
suggestions for edits? We would do that after we have oursision probably. Should we Amanda, would you be thinking of
um actually doing like a full-blown first draft that we could look at and then it make it sound like I'm starting from scratch and just together anything we're gonna say that
that takes Yeah. So, I I'll come to I'll come forward with what you've presented. Um, and anything else that I can think of that matches for us to look at. Based on the comments that I'm hearing, one thing
that I would say is after reviewing the joint powers agreement, it sounds to me that there is a very clear understanding between the city and the county that this is a city library that is receiving 50% of funds and therefore all of our
residents in the county will receive free public access to the library through their tax payments. And so I think we're really looking at are we in agreement with how the city wants to operate right with the exception of the
joint powers agreement calling out the board will put together its own budget. It says uh the the library board shall develop its proposed operating budget and a budget for capital expenditures for each capital excuse me each calendar
year. So that is already clarified. Yes. By the joint powers agreement and then these the other pieces um can be I think that can go through the right. Well, if if it's clear, just as
in those um in those bylaws from Henipin County, they they specify that um somewhere that the library board develops the budget and then budget is approved by the city and it does say in or by the
county rather because it is a county board. Yeah, it does say in here that you develop it and propose it and then the city and the county approve it. Right. And that's basically what we do anyway. But I think if we it it would be very
good to spell these things out. Um, as I said to Amanda, maybe this is a little overdramatic way of putting it, but you know, in 10 years when none none of us are on the board or 25 when we're all dead, um, people who come after us will
at least have a blueprint for how to operate. You think she's over 60? No, not yet. Not yet. No, but but but you see what I'm saying because we will not always be on the
board. No, whether we're over 60 or not. We know our applesauce. So, but but I I I mean I do take I do take that very very seriously. Um you want to leave it in good shape. Absolutely. So people have a blueprint and they may want to change it after us,
but at least they'll know how things operated when we were here. And I think that's important. We've had some stuff. I'm on the board of the Grand Marray condos and this was a very a very minor thing, but the
apparently in that case the bylaws had been changed, but nobody actually changed the copy, nor did they tell me. and I'm trying I was trying to deal with a pet policy with a new owner and I had absolutely so I went to the bylaws and
then I elaborated this and and and and I was told oh no no no we don't do that anymore so that's very minor but you see it could be major in case like Okay, I think I know where to go next.
Okay, somewhere warm and nice. We're in there. Another months. Okay. Under old business, we have the review of the strategic plan. We're
keeping this on the agenda just to keep it in the forefront of our mind. I don't think we need any action tonight on it unless anyone has any thing they need. All right. And then we have the emergency exit proposals. So we still have two quotes.
We have Donald Holm and we have CMC. Uh Johnson Wilson, I invited their quote. They came on site. They assessed the site and um said they were in town today and intend
to get a quote out to us next week. That's where that is. Well, my one comment and and I will preface it by saying that I really know a lot about building, but the thing that jumped to my eye when I'm looking at the
quotes was the CMC quote includes things like permitting and I didn't see that in the other the other quote and I don't know if that's something that this important
thing should be in the quote. Probably it's probably part of their um normal they I just didn't write it down because they have to present the drawings and they have to get the approval. So, I'm sure they have to send
the have to do the right permits. CC was just much more detailed. Yes, I do like I I do like it. I guess just because that's the way my mind works is what it what it includes and what it excludes. That is very clear.
Does the city require permits on its own buildings? Well, yeah, some of them are going to have to be approved because you know drawings electric inspector has to come. I don't know. We're not going to do any plumbing
probably checked it has to be Well, I think we discovered it's never cheap. No, the the the proposals are pretty much the
same within couple of thousand. So, I guess if if this were my house as a homeowner, um because I have dealt with some of this as a homeowner in my past, I I
guess I would want to know if they've worked with other people in town or in the county and what those other clients experience was. So that's just an idea. So, I'm not sure what you want me to do
with that, but I what I can provide so far is that Donald Home Construction did the roof on the city the new city building. Okay. And CMC Construction is uh working it's a it's a partner that
often works with the group called Gardener whom David Mills personally recommended. Okay. So, so he's famili I'm assuming he's familiar with them. Yeah, they both seem fine. Then that's basically and our
wedding quot Johnson Wilson. Yeah. Did your interactions with either of these go equally well or both of these interactions were very positive? Has anyone worked with Johnson Wilson
that we know the city? The county is about to work with them. I think the jail is it the jail was being rebuilt and they're going to be doing um sever several million dollars worth of projects in the area.
Um they were clear that their interest in this project is only if it aligns with the other projects happening in the area. Okay. Well, I think that tells us something right there. It tells me 200 miles from
Yeah, it tells us. It tells us that we'll wait and wait probably. Oh, maybe not. Well, I mean, they're here. I think that was their point. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, they're up here. They're going to be here for this period. So, yeah, we can slip it in. We'll do it. Yeah. But getting the
quote, I think, would be good because substantially different. Well, okay. All right. Should we wait to find out then the next one? I think that would make sense. Don't you? I would. I would want to, but yeah,
three three quotes. Yeah, that feels fair. Especially since it seems like it's out there. Okay. Then if they're all about the same price and they all have good reputations, then I think maybe a determining factor might be
timeline. So just again just thought we did talk about last month that we are short on funds to pay for this. So something we might also want to consider ah is that we don't have available in
the 215 $50,000. Okay. So, so what does what does that do? They like books. They can borrow books while they're working. Yeah. I just never know. Um, so that puts a little pressure on us
as far as deciding what to do with this. Okay. Well, that's good to know. Thank you, Sarah. Also for me for direction from the board. So the direction that I have from our strategic plan is that safety response and facility modification is a
clear priority and that the two most significant improvements that we're looking at are the emergency exit and the security camera installation. I'd also mention that I've looked into a little bit about the um internal remote locking door at the
front. Uh, I would prioritize them in that order. Emergency exit, security cameras, and um, remote locking doors given what our um, experience is working in the library
and what we're trying to achieve for the public. Um, what direction would you give me if the money is not available in the 215? What what should we be doing? Would we want to make the cameras then a
priority and go that way? Well, last time didn't we kind of decide we couldn't really afford the cameras. How much were the cameras? Are they to see what we could get? Are they more or less? I'm sorry. They're
less than the door, but they're still in the 10 to $15,000 range. Okay. Which is also a stretch for the to get to the fish. But there's also in here for less than that. Okay. What do we have um
options for and approaching uh city and county for grants a type of grant on this or I mean they might have reserve funds. They might have places. How does the 250 get money
into it? Where does all that money come from? I forget. It's mainly gifts directly to the library. It's not it's not that in the fall we'd get more money. So, right. I should have brought my notes from last month, but we went over what the
replenishment rate was and I think it was around 5,000 annually. So, it's not going to Yeah. No, I um I think looking into grant options is a good idea. Um I did a little googling. There's just the Minnesota building. What was it?
Minnesota library building. the library construction grant library construction grant um probably some local uh granters that would be interested
well let's just spend a moment on alternative fund sources if you go the route of grants that's fine to do the library construction grant has a deadline of May
17th And um it is a 5050 deal where you have to find 50% of the funding and have matching funds. Their criteria is for improvement
projects that can include renovating of an existing building including and addressing hazardous to health or safety conditions. I think we could make a healthy argument for the two doors and put the projects together or separate. I
mean, um, go for both projects if we're doing it this way. I don't know how the security cameras factor in. And so, I'd have questions and I don't know if that's going to manifest on this timeline. So, it's a more likely that if we pursue
a Minnesota library construction grant, the feasible timeline would be next year. I've also looked I'm looking into grants through FEMA since we did work with SISA to get the vulnerability assessment. I'm striking out there so
far. For example, there was a nonprofit security grant program that I was really excited about, but it's specifically for high-risisk urban areas with positive proof of being a target for terrorism. So, it's highly specific. I'm just
getting started with grants.gov. Well, we were we did have a bomb last year. We were targeted, but we're not high. But thanks for reminding me because it's
possible we'll fit another structure. Well, that that gets to be one of the discussions at church about what is and what isn't because um I got shut down once about it. But we have had several murders in the county
and you know it's not pristine place that some people think it was and you hit people I don't have you know that kind of stuff. So I mean it's changing and know it from my perspective it's an urban area because
it's a city I mean it may not be I'm thinking more of the metro area. Okay. It's so metrocentric about a lot of the things that I have to deal with. But but it's it's still more like them than it is in Albian Township in Great
County where I live for 35 years where I could talk stand on the corner and talk with somebody. I can't do that here. I don't know. No, you know, that's that's where this is. So, going back to
city and county grants, there's not really a such thing. There's a levy increase, I think, is the conversation that would happen. Um, you would start by wanting to talk to the city or the county about the funds that you already have and why you're choosing not to spend those while asking for more tax
dollars. So, that would be a challenge um in that approach or that strategy. Um, I can keep working on looking for grants and I would accept any help from trustees researching that. Um, I think there's one other I
can send you some because we're looking for construction at the church also. Okay. Done a little bit of course it's a different it's a church and so you have different the Johnson Foundation. Yeah. So Johnson Foundation the
um The Luth Community Foundation has a couple of grants, but I don't think they fit the project. Um, it's like community opportunity um for sense of belonging and and um I can't remember what the other one is.
I'm not sure that this project is ideal for that. I I would think if we were looking for a grant, I'd be looking for something that would do all three pieces. Mhm. the emergency door, the locking doors, and the cameras.
Although we understand our internal priorities, and I and I can prioritize pursuing a grant, that would be an exact match for an emergency exit, for example. I I think we're talking about the whole thing. Okay.
So, just one quick comment. Is it worthwhile these days pursuing any kind of Is it a real grant? That's it. Pardon? Try, I guess. She's already looking at FEMA. Yeah. And FEMA's had a
lot of cuts. But I don't, you know, I don't mean to mostly staffing, but not Yeah. I don't mean to be pessimistic. Oh, you got a good reason. We've got good reasons. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose we could try. It's
You know, I also think about time. Well, thinking about time, this is not a discussion anyone wants to have, but this door is the perfect door, and it's what everybody wants, but should we be
rethinking how to exit this building a cheaper way, like through an exit window? I don't know. this has turned out to be pretty darn expensive and we don't have this money. I think that's a really good point.
Well, I hate to bring it up because the door is what everybody wants, right? But maybe we don't always get what we want. What I heard that somewhere one of the challenges with the window is accessibility. Oh, there's tons of
challenges. I know what's wrong with them. But if we can't afford the perfect one, a less perfect solution. Yeah. So, I have explored the idea of an eress window with a few um agencies, entities.
These windows I believe are too narrow and the window would have to be cut bigger. The the wall would have to be cut anyway. Yeah. And um I the architect was explaining that these windows are not ideal.
Um, when we talk about who we would want to evacuate, we h serve a large population of elderly and of very small children. And the ecoris window has to be a certain level off the floor to actually
step out. And so again, I thought I think that was part of the reason of like cutting the wall. If you're cutting the wall, you might as well put in a door. Um, I can go back and try to get some quotes on eress windows if that's
what you'd like. No, no. I just think that this is looking like it's harder than we thought it would be. I think it's worth I think it's more worth putting some time into grant research than new quotes. And then if we um there we go backwards.
Yeah. Um some additional homework for us as trustees is to do a little beside the windows and say in case big rock okay because um I I hope I didn't shut
that down. I'm I'm open to pursuing, but I've already done some preliminary and and that's just kind of the feedback I'm getting. When you were looking at the window before, because once you started talking, I was like, "Oh, yeah, that's before." Did did we get anywhere near an idea of like how much it would be for
what? For the window. No. No, we didn't get that. Okay. You know, like when I So, if you're talking to Glenn Sanders from the SISA, he says, you know, skip that. Don't try to get people out. Try to keep people from getting in. Put in the doors over
there. If you're talk, if I was talking to the architect, they would say, "If you're cutting a you're going to have to cut something. You might as well put the door in." And talking to staff, it's like, who are we trying to get out of this building? It's ourselves, these elderly, these young. And um are we
going to actually be able to use an erris? these windows can um crank open. Like you can crank a a window open and smash the screen out, but you're very exposed while you're doing it. It takes
a long time. So again, that that lever release window is ideal. Um for the time being, maybe you should and staff should think about how they'd jump out that window if they had to because this door thing isn't going to
happen very soon. were waiting for grabs and and I think run fight run hide fight was a first pass at um practicing escaping the building in different ways or addressing a threat in in different ways
and how long does it take to get to an emergency exit. There's a repeat of staff training happening this year through the city um with the sheriff, but it won't be in this particular building. So Sue, your comment was um drills like
staff practicing. Yeah, maybe because once we're waiting for grants for the store, if we can't just say we've got the money, let's do it. Then we're not fixing this problem very soon. No. And we can't tell threatening people, don't
threaten us until we get the door. Right. Okay. So to put a wrap around the conversation, continue to get the quote from Johnson Wilson. Pursue no further quotes for egress or emergency exit
doors. Find grant opportunities to help with the cost of the expenses. Where possible, try to get all three projects into the grant and continue to report back
and continue drills and drills and drills. I thought for the windows as they are is maybe have um a couple of steps or some kind of a some kind of thing that you can walk up
and walk down that can maybe you know so you can throw it on the outside and people can step on it and out step posing as a bench or something. Yeah. These that one right behind you is can get a person off really easily. Two
wide ones not perfect not doable for some people. Yeah. just grab. It's not We've got an ideal plan. Don't
have any money. Yeah. Okay. So, I don't know that we need to review the security camera system proposals. We'll keep them for future reference. Did we get anything from We
did. Yes. Um Tech from Yeah, we do. It's in here. 700 8,000. So yeah, that better better. Yes, there's no transportation cost.
Yeah. Um, most of the walk here. Yeah. Most most of the cost is the labor and um saving some cameras doesn't really shave off the price. You still have the labor and the recording box that are the
most significant cost. Just reporting back on storing the information in the cloud. That's expensive. That's where all the licensing fees, not all of it, but the licensing fees with the Protek quote are coming from. That would be
what is it for three years? It looks like what is it three or4,000 every three years you'd have that recurring fee to store in the cloud. And Sunju was explaining
that if we tried to do that where you're backing up any of the on-site data to the cloud, you're going to have that level of fee. Whether it's, you know, from this agency or that agency, whether it's part of the quote
and the system or it's added on, you're going to have that level of a fee. One way that you could hybridize is to insert a couple of webcams that are reporting to the cloud. So you would like record just two cameras to the
cloud and everything else to a box. Um but you're still going to be adding to your cost. And then you also asked me to explore home security systems. Um, and I'll have mentioned the Blink. The Blink outdoor wireless home security systems
can be purchased for about $650 online at Amazon. Um, you get eight cameras for that. And then you have to pay a $100 per year subscription fee for the storing the information in the
cloud. It's very cheap. Or you can and or you can uh save it to your own computer hard drive. Yeah. Okay. Which we do. We don't pay the $100. We just I just have it on a little thumb drive that I clear every week. Oh, thank you.
Um, and then just Jeremy heard the board's concerns about the expense of the system and just felt it was important to emphasize that the high quality 4K cameras that he's recommending for the security
system is really an essential component for capturing the detail necessary for effective security. And if that is what you're trying to accomplish as security, you should invest in the in the professional level camera. But that, you know, that's the that's his perspective
for you to consider. The cameras at the church are 1080p 1080. Yeah. 1080p or whatever. Yeah. So what kind of detail? Um, you can tell when I come in.
Yeah. Yeah. I I I recognize your hat. Uh you can see faces. You can um I I don't get car license numbers when they drive by in the parking lot. Um but it's Yeah, it's not 4K, but it is
high quality. It's not the stuff you see on bank, you know, it's it's better than what you see on, you know, when the cops are watching it and you all you see is black and white and their face is fuzz and they blow it up and you can't see it. This is this is much better quality
than that. Um uh and since it's residential um it's a two-year battery life, but that's but that's residential. I I change out the batteries about every 3 weeks on
average, but I have it but I have um rechargeables and so recharge. Uh so they're 35 bucks for eight. And so I I have I just about every week I switch out one or two and
the next week I switch out one or two and then the next week I don't and the next week I switch out four and then the next you know so it's so so that you know I mean it takes I probably spend 20 minutes 20 minutes
every week uh on batteries and storage clearage you know going through it I think it's usually just uh uh deer, deer and and that kind of stuff in the evening and cats. Two deer and two cats
or one cat make regular appearances. But just having having them up there and having the outdoor lights on and um it I think it does make a difference. Well, Jeremy's seems more reasonable
than the than the very expensive quotes. Yes. So, maybe we have to decide if we can get the money in a grant type thing and buy the professional. And if we can't, we can come up with a blink or we have an Alfred or something on a
short-term basis with hopes of of getting something quality as we are as we are looking to do it as a combination as a grant which may not happen until the
beginning of the or the end of the year probably at the soonest um I'm going to throw out uh we have seven board members each of us chips in $100 I can bet at least we'll have the
cameras up I'm Not to put any pressure on anybody, but I think you it so if you're if you're respectfully I think you have $1,000 that you
can allocate. If you're invested in implementing a home security system temporarily, you need someone to install it. It's easy. It really is. I I do not put it in. I I don't I don't
think Brian would have any trouble with it at all. There's a lot to do. Yeah. All right. I I move that we purchase the link system as a as a temporary while we
wait for grants and funding. or a permanent one or whatever system. I mean, if I mean, if we're talking we're talking a professional one, we're paying $3,000 every couple years to do storage
and stuff like that. Paying $700 over eight months is is not is is is an equivalent expense in my view. It's it's And you might learn something about what
you need and yeah it picks up you come come in with a lot more expertise expertise after using this for better part of a year. I think it's worth a try and you'll go through the summer knowing what's going on and where
you where you wish you had cameras. Yes. Okay. And with this, I would intend to return. So, I can purchase the system, but I would intend to return with a proposed policy for transparency to the public that they're being recorded on
the premises and um what they what they need to do to request access to any information if it exists. So, on motion, do we have support? I'll second motion and second. Any further
discussion and uh money is coming from you could do it from the 215. You could do it from either but yes. Okay. All those in favor any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.
and ask for a transparency policy. I'd like to propose again that we look at maybe what some other libraries do again laziness when we can efficiency
they call it extent materials when you look at what's already been made. Yes. I move we adjourn. All right. We got the next meeting at six o'clock. Thank you. I know.