WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=Mn-VCdp3JKs Part: 1 1 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:22.800 and action. We'll call the meeting to order. We have a quorum. Everybody who is currently active is here. Matthew Brown had moved out of the city and had to resign. Where did he move to? >> The country. 2 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:39.600 >> Does anybody know where he moved to? >> No. But if I knew I wouldn't say this publicly. >> Okay. What would we do afterwards? >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, the first item on the agenda is approval of the June meeting agenda as it was distributed. Does 3 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:55.920 anybody have any objection to that agenda? >> I have an addition to the agenda. Addition to the agenda. >> Yeah. >> Under all business, if you would just put uh darkness report. >> Darkness report. 4 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:12.479 >> Okay. Darkness report it is. >> Yeah. Thank you. It's old business, but just an update. >> Anybody else have any additions or corrections to the agenda? They're being uh without objection, the the agenda as 5 00:01:12.479 --> 00:01:28.880 modified is approved. The main minutes were distributed. Anybody have any heartache about them? There being none, the minutes are approved unanimously. >> Golf report. 6 00:01:28.880 --> 00:01:54.479 >> Hi Paul. Well, let's see. Uh there's a couple of new details. I guess we got finished our first month. We kind of uh opened up the 14th 15th of May and 7 00:01:54.479 --> 00:02:13.040 uh I think that was a okay weekend but uh then the weather from there got pretty bad for quite a while. Um and you know recently it's been quite pleasant. Um, so yeah, the growing seasons here, of course, you know, we had winter scald 8 00:02:13.040 --> 00:02:31.120 on some of the some of the greens and uh and the fairways and stuff. And then it was just uh really cool to see it as soon as like things were just sitting there until we got had got a little rain and then a little heat and it just changed really quick. So that was great 9 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:46.959 sign. We've got a couple of uh areas on green surfaces we're going to be uh working on starting next week. Um but we don't nothing's out of play and everything's playable. Uh yeah, so it's it's going 10 00:02:46.959 --> 00:03:02.239 good. The course is looking good. Um we've got uh a few addition and carts. We we had uh talked about those used carts we had tried to get from a neighboring course that didn't pan out. So, we kind of just continued forth with 11 00:03:02.239 --> 00:03:19.360 our our uh getting keeping on the new carts and so we got three new carts. Those are in their grade. Um so, yeah, that helps us. We've now got nine of the new gas carts in our fleet. 12 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:36.720 So, it adds up over time. And we still have um well the old ones that we're struggling with. We have we've got like five of those from the last century old Yamaha units that we keep available for like twilight 13 00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:53.920 golfers, lake golfers. Um and then uh but out of those we we're struggling to keep them running. So we've got you know a couple that are that we put out that we know are run good and all that. And then the other ones were we've got parts ordered. We're trying to remedy that. So 14 00:03:53.920 --> 00:04:10.959 we want to have have those available for people who want to play into the evening. Um yeah, uh we've got some new people that have applied for uh working there at the course to help us in the clubhouse. 15 00:04:10.959 --> 00:04:29.120 Lisa uh Furlong who has worked there in the past, she's lives just basically right across the street. So it's works out really good. And um so she's looking at working for us part-time. Um Brian Sari, he's a he's a member 16 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:44.880 young man and he's a he's going to help us out for a part time also in the clubhouse. So that's good. We've always been struggling with that. Um Aaron Mayor's uh joined us last year and and he's back with us this year and he's uh 17 00:04:44.880 --> 00:05:00.560 he's really really great been great. He's he's he's kind of a switch fitter. He helps us outdoors and indoors anywhere we need help. So, he's been a great addition. Um there's a young man, Jack. I I run a 18 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:17.280 blank on his last name, but just a young young man, 15 years old, and he's uh coming on to uh just have like pretty much first job experience. And we'll work with him. He he'll be helpful for helping us do things like, you know, raking bunkers 19 00:05:17.280 --> 00:05:32.800 and just little jobs. You can't really operate any equipment at that age, but uh we had uh we've had employees that age and they they what's nice is if they work out, they enjoy it and they work out, they uh come back for a few years and you get to know them a little better 20 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:48.479 and they they get a little pride in the course and all that. So, we're hoping that that happens here, too. Um yeah, other than that, I don't know. We've got products coming in that we, you know, we we've ordered for, you know, for 21 00:05:48.479 --> 00:06:07.280 fertility and and keeping our green secret sauce, keep them optimum. And then uh leaks are starting this week, so that's uh neat. Our I guess our uh overall numbers, which is a big deal 22 00:06:07.280 --> 00:06:24.560 with the course, is uh is not not too bad. I mean I last year was really really uh really jumped for us. I think we were up like 20% or something like that last year and we didn't get there this year but um we did uh we are where 23 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:39.520 we were the previous year or maybe a little bit better. So I was glad to see that cuz um you know 10 days ago we're looking at the numbers going come on you know and u but yeah things have picked up um leagues coming in and we've got uh 24 00:06:39.520 --> 00:06:56.639 some new members. We've lost a few members here and there but uh that's just kind of the the natural progression. But yeah, we're always always glad to have new members come in. And uh yeah, other than that, we're I 25 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:13.039 can't think of any. We've got uh well, also next week, next Tuesday, we're having our tournament with uh the Northshore Federal Credit Union, I think it's in it's the Hunger Heroes benefit. 26 00:07:13.039 --> 00:07:28.240 Um so that is on it's like a baseball tournament and that's filled out. All the teams that can play are all filled out. So that's good. you got, you know, when you open when you're opening on the 15th and you got to have a full full 27 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:46.080 roster of teams, you always kind of worry about that, but it filled up pretty quick. So, so that's good. We've got Danny Ford is running leagues and uh he's doing pretty good with that. We've got we've got this weird little custom computer job that that Dan had come up 28 00:07:46.080 --> 00:08:02.800 basically had it designed for for the handicaps on our course that seem unique versus anybody else's. So he's got this little system and I mean it doesn't even get plugged into the internet or anything. It just it is what it is. So that's still running. Um so anyway, 29 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:19.120 Danny's running that and it's going good. Um, yeah, I guess. Uh, oh, we've got uh we we've got our grinders. I think we kind of we we put that through in motion to purchase those grinders. So, we've been using, you know, we've been using them 30 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:36.000 kind of all along anyway. But, yeah, we we went ahead and uh regground our our greens reels already this year. And generally, we do we go through all the reels. Uh the greens reels we got uh we've got a couple of different uh old 31 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:53.760 mowers that we kind of keep uh in spec so that we can use them in in the in the event that you get a doll something goes dull or you hit something or whatever there's a mishap. So we've always got a utility piece. Um yeah and so we've got 32 00:08:53.760 --> 00:09:08.560 basically 19 reels that we go through each year. Uh yeah so that's really helpful. It's a great machine. Um, gives you gives us a lot of confidence so we can set it up. We had um, 33 00:09:08.560 --> 00:09:25.279 uh, Mike Growth that that has joined us part-time. He's helped out a lot with mechanical things. We had a the weirdest little drip off of our greens mower. It was coming from the engine. We knew that, but he basically dissected it. We 34 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:41.200 took it off and rebuilt and it was uh just kind of something to do with like the gasket, but there were some interior bolts that were loose and it kind of just a weird deal. But anyway, we've got that got that all taken care of. So, that was neat cuz that that had been 35 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:56.880 going on for a number of years and uh we had been remedying remedying that by uh just cleaning it and kind of putting some absorbent material where we thought it would help. But anyway, you don't want you don't want oil on your grains. 36 00:09:56.880 --> 00:10:20.079 So anyway, that's uh I guess that's just a little detail about what's going on there. Anybody have any questions or comments with Paul? Have we done anything about marketing to city residents? 37 00:10:20.079 --> 00:10:35.920 >> Uh no. >> Yes. Well, for >> Northern Wilds this month's got a >> Oh, the Northern Wilds. Yeah. >> Pretty good size add in Northern Wilds for >> for our discount discount for city residents. >> Okay. 38 00:10:35.920 --> 00:10:52.560 Oh, the other thing I I forgot to mention too is yeah, we've got the uh North Point group as far as members go and they've been still active and growing. you know, they're bringing in a lot of kids and, >> you know, that's exciting, of course, but we are really noticing more of the 39 00:10:52.560 --> 00:11:08.079 uh older kids coming back to play and and uh so that's that's good. We like to see it. They play every Monday as a group and it's just they they all have passes that are sponsored through the North Point. 40 00:11:08.079 --> 00:11:25.839 Um, and then they gather on on we have a time when they can go off uh basically 1:00 they start on Monday afternoon and it's always a variable who shows up or whatever. But um we've been having some pretty good turnout. So we're glad to 41 00:11:25.839 --> 00:11:44.480 see that and you know we're thankful to North Point for uh providing that for youth golfers. Okay. Anything else? Thank you, Paul. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Paul. The next on the agenda is 42 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:58.399 the city council report, right? >> Yep. We had kind of a quiet city council meeting on the 20th of May. Um, excuse me. We approved quite a few um 43 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:15.519 permits in the consent agenda which um we already know about a lot of those. Some of them are already over with but mostly there was nine things approved in the consent agenda. And then we also talked about a new 44 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:34.519 um award of a $1.9 million um grant that will go towards the future uh renovation of the wastewater treatment plant. The city was awarded that. Um 45 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:54.959 and then basically that's pretty much everything we talked about. city council. Um yeah, standing items that we talked about were water treatment plan and then capital improvement plan um for doing some work in the 46 00:12:54.959 --> 00:13:18.800 >> where did the grant come from? >> That was state of Minnesota. >> Yeah. Was it part of the bonding bill with the state? Any other questions or comments for >> anything else from you? >> No. Okay. 47 00:13:18.800 --> 00:13:36.000 Next item is the parks report which we have brief. >> Yeah. Thanks, Steve. Uh well, similar to Paul's story of the golf season being put on a damper with the cool wet weather, camp was the same way in May. 48 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:51.440 Uh, you know, we met a month ago. We got the good news that we opened on time. May 1st, we got the water on, a couple bathous going. Um, by the middle of the month, we had the remaining two bathous online so that by Memorial Day weekend, everything was going, but you know, it 49 00:13:51.440 --> 00:14:07.199 was cool and wet. Even those first couple days of Memorial Day weekend, like Friday, Saturday were wet, cool. The bike race was going on. little Brenda Nord race went off, but pretty solid cancellation sort of calls and emails leading up to that. Not not 50 00:14:07.199 --> 00:14:23.760 so much the bikers, but the family, you know, tenters saw the forecast, they saw rain, lows in the 30s. So, definitely a different May than last year. Similar to Paul's story, like I say, the the revenue was down about 4%. So, you know, 51 00:14:23.760 --> 00:14:40.320 May is one of those make it or break it weatherwise months. This one was not the best, not the worst considering how bad it was. And relative to last year, it's uh it's lucky we're only down 4%. So, puts us in a making up position though, which is always difficult to recover 52 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:57.279 now. Hopefully, it's great. It's been great, you know, the last week or so. And so, we've definitely been checking in more people now that it's June. Office hours are 8 to 6, soon to be 8 to 8. around June 15th, we've switched that over to the summer hours. You know, 53 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:13.360 busy, busy times coming midmon, and so we'll be 8 to 8 through September. Uh we're still seeking summer help. We have had very few applicants, if any, uh for the custodian position, park maintenance worker position. These are 54 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:30.639 the really boots on the ground employees out there mowing, trimming, taking out the trash, recycling, cleaning the bathous. So obviously a ideal summer job for some people looking for that type of work, but apparently 55 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:46.320 not many people do that. It's one of those deals. We've been every year fortunate to have that core team of members come back. We still have that. Some excellent adult staffers, but we really miss the two high school age students that aged out did not 56 00:15:46.320 --> 00:16:03.920 return this summer. So we do have a pretty big gap of two possib three of the maintenance workers. So, I'll keep beating the bushes. Keep asking for you guys to send them our way if you know of anyone looking for a good summer job. >> So, what what do you do without these 57 00:16:03.920 --> 00:16:21.759 people? Does it just stretch? >> Yeah, we try to do less where we can if possible. Like, we're really kind of hoping for a drought honestly because then we don't have to mow. >> But hope's not a strategy. So we we just 58 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:38.959 don't get too overwhelmed. We sort of prioritize things. We put the bath house cleaning as the top priority and the mowing as a secondary. Right? The grass will be there tomorrow, but the, you know, toilets need to get cleaned today. So we prioritize 59 00:16:38.959 --> 00:16:54.560 and we're in discussions. You know, we're trying not to take on additional duties. Um, but we we're downtown, you know, emptying green garbage cans and that sort of business is a priority as well. So, we're doing the best we can with what we've got. It's fortunate that 60 00:16:54.560 --> 00:17:09.839 the team we have are dedicated and efficient and or proficient and we don't have to spend a lot of time training or, you know, handholding. So, we're just really lucky we have what we have and we 61 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:30.799 hope they stick. And we hope they stay and we've kind of set that tone to like not burn them out, not get overwhelmed. Like if we got some tall grass around the trailer, so be it. >> Uh, another kind of not the best question. What about what pay are you 62 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:47.919 offering to people who would work maintenance or custodial work? >> Yep.$1826 starting pay. 1826 >> and that's regardless of high school or adult, >> right? >> Okay. >> Yep. We do prefer 16 or up so that they can operate equipment, push mowers, 63 00:17:47.919 --> 00:18:04.160 whips, buggies, any motorized equipment. They need to be 16. So, there's that. Um, but yeah, more bad news from the world of the picnic pavilion. Now, this is the open sided pavilion down in the bay. It has featured a couple of wall 64 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:21.120 outlets on the beam. One of the beams by the fire is typically where we find like people charging their phones and ebikes. And unfortunately those outlets aren't working right now. Um we traced we had the Nordic electric crew come in with their underground 65 00:18:21.120 --> 00:18:37.840 tracers and of course it's under the road that we paved fresh two years ago. Well, it's not like fresh fresh, but it is. I wasn't about to cut the road up. It was like the week before Memorial Day that we did this and found this out. And 66 00:18:37.840 --> 00:18:53.039 so we said, "Hold up. How important is power at the pavilion?" Not critical. We're communicating with groups that have rented it that, you know, there's no power. If you really need power, we could come up with some kind of a inverter pack, you know, that 67 00:18:53.039 --> 00:19:10.720 runs off a battery. It's sort of a short-term solution we're looking at, but so far so good. We had some grad parties there over the weekend. No one needed power. So, we're proceeding with the idea that when they are doing other projects like Third Street and there's 68 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:27.919 pavement in town, we'll cut and repair and patch. >> Where's that line go? >> It feeds from the west. Yeah. From the campsites. >> It goes comes from the campsite. >> Well, it's kind of patched through. So, it's like a just an NM cable buried. It's not in conduit. 69 00:19:27.919 --> 00:19:43.840 >> Not a conduit. >> Okay. >> We actually got out the the back trailer or nice, you know, public works has a >> Oh, >> you know, the hydroac >> and we're able to excavate the line on either side of the road to look for conduit. 70 00:19:43.840 --> 00:20:00.640 >> Weren't that lucky. Nor kind of had an idea of just pulling it through because it's fine cobble. >> Bore under the road cheaper than cut a trench in it. Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's highly destructive. I mean, we got to dig two big holes on 71 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:17.840 either side. And the west side's a very popular campsite. 120. So, >> yeah. You have to borrow all the way from box. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Luckily, like I say, the power to the pavilion is not the biggest deal. >> Okay. 72 00:20:17.840 --> 00:20:33.360 >> And we're just letting groups know that ahead of time. We'll get it fixed. We just got to wait for payment to be available. Uh, as we know, Matthew Brown has moved out of town and so his seat on the park board is available. I believe got that 73 00:20:33.360 --> 00:20:48.880 posted at city hall and taking applicants must be a city resident. And then just a reminder for some events coming up here in June. We got the pride celebration this Saturday the 13th. That's down in Harbor Park all day. The wooden boat 74 00:20:48.880 --> 00:21:05.679 show is going to set up in the marina space on Saturday the 20th. And this is offsite, but the Luca 99ers at the end of the month on the 27th kind of late this year and it's definitely got us full up, but so too does the 4th of July weekend which is right behind that. So 75 00:21:05.679 --> 00:21:21.440 definitely getting busier as the month goes. And historically that weekend of the 19th and 20th where the solstice and the boat show comes in, it's like the start of it. BZ um season full every night, that sort of business. So 76 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:38.799 week or two more to just kind of take care of all the other loose ends. We set up really well right now. I feel like the marina's done. All the repairs to the marina's done. The accessible kayak dock got installed last week. Uh the moing balls are in. Like I say, 77 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:54.240 bathouses are open. We're everything's back. We're feeling good. Uh the the softball leagues, I think, women's night is starting this Thursday. They'll be playing on the Rec Park Field and the Pepe Wright up at the Little League 78 00:21:54.240 --> 00:22:14.080 Community Center. And so the T-ball parent pitch little league is Tuesday nights, but that doesn't get started. Like games don't start till like another couple weeks. >> I see they started to assemble the pump 79 00:22:14.080 --> 00:22:31.600 track hockey set up. It's kind of a >> It is >> It's They're >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I heard they were >> they were having some trouble. >> Yeah, I heard that, too. >> But they're, you know, working on it. 80 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:47.919 So, >> yeah. Yeah. >> So, it's good. Let's hope for hot, dry weather. >> A few more applicants. >> What are the office hours on Saturday and Sunday? Uh this weekend it'll be 8 81 00:22:47.919 --> 00:23:05.679 to 6 until the 15th we go 8 to 8 >> and that's so it's 7 days a week 8 to 8. >> Yep. >> Okay. Other comments or questions on the park report? >> Nope. >> All right. New business hiring an 82 00:23:05.679 --> 00:23:23.280 archaeologist for the state. We also have this uh application for the fishburg stand. Oh, yes indeed. Steve, good eye. I I'll I'll add that to the agenda under new business. This came in 83 00:23:23.280 --> 00:23:39.200 on Friday after I mailed out the agenda, but Todd Smith, the club president, reached out to me similar to the past few years, but a little different in terms of the duration here where because 84 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:56.240 when they get a vendor's permit or a department of health permit from the state for the fishburg trailer, I believe they can it's like a 10day permit or more or less. Maybe it's two weeks. in the past in the past couple years they wanted to take advantage of all 85 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:12.080 those days and set up and make some extra sales on the busy weekends in the last couple weekends in July if I recall the last year I looked at the application and it was only the two weekends at the end of the month that they asked for set up additional 86 00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:30.720 now they're asking for you all right about that drink water >> I take in your comfortable weather application >> entirely. But just so you know, this is July 11th, 12th is our fair weekend. 87 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:46.159 They'll probably roll that thing in on the 9th. It'll be in Harbor Park most of July. I'm fine with it. It just will be in Harbor Park most of July >> first weekend. >> Is there a motion to approve their 88 00:24:46.159 --> 00:25:04.480 application? Were did you say something? >> I asked if there was somebody who wanted to >> No, I said it would it would be there till uh >> was the first weekend in August. Then it would be >> Yeah. >> through that fisherman's picnic. 89 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:21.200 >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Close to a month. >> Oh, I'll make the motion to approve their special event. >> Second. >> Sure. Why not? >> Okay. Any discussion? All those in favor raise your hand. I 90 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:37.200 >> appears to be unanimous. The application is approved. Thank you. Then we have the archaeologist question. Yes. So this I've been working on for several months now. Trying to just trying to complete my pre-contract 91 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:53.679 checklist with the DNR. Right. We've sort of known about this since January. Uh we've got five items on this checklist. Cultural Heritage Review is the first this Shipo, this state historic 92 00:25:53.679 --> 00:26:08.799 preservation office, otherwise known as SHIPO, has been on my list and one of those types of reviews that we need professional help with. It just is what it is. The shipo office has a process 93 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:24.960 for conducting these reviews and generally the lay person is not capable, skilled, qualified to to complete their forms is what it comes down to. There's specialized archaeologists. 94 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:41.039 Ron Shurmer is a gentleman who's already working with the cities doing like a historic review of the harbor on a separate project. So I came across Ron last fall when he was camping in the park and started to talk about this process and he was all smiles and yes we 95 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:57.840 can do this and it's easy and no problem. And then the winter passed and this this late winter early spring I started to reach out to Ron again like hey we got to get the sugar review done. You remember me? And he's a busy guy. He works for Man or Minnesota State 96 00:26:57.840 --> 00:27:15.279 University I think down in Mano. He was up in town last month to do an open house with the community to gather like stories and artifacts for the the larger town picture review. >> Yeah. And I think he's just busy with this. And so when I kind of had a chance 97 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:33.200 to catch up with him on a availability and price, this is what he gave me. $16,647. Honestly, I was like, that's I talked to Mike Roth and we both thought, well, that five figures is enough to have to get a second opinion on, right? Like, 98 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:49.200 we're not in the realm of sealed bids or anything here, but we want to get two prices if possible. So, I reached out to the Duth Archaeology Center and Susan Moholland down there, who actually worked for soil and water when they did the storm water pond reconstruct project 99 00:27:49.200 --> 00:28:04.880 in the park five or so years ago. you know, the the um storm ponds that were above the old pool when soil and water and it was a joint project with the city. When they did that work, they had to do the same type of review because they were getting federal state monies. 100 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:21.279 So, they contracted with Susan and she investigated the pond area and the little creek bed. And so, she's got working knowledge of the park. She actually found like uh chips like stone chips that >> had some historic 101 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:37.360 cultural significance. It didn't delay the project or put anything, you know, it didn't have much effect, but it did put a dot on our location as like, oh, we found something here in the past. So that automatically sort of sets us up 102 00:28:37.360 --> 00:28:55.279 for a bigger level of review, what's known as a phase 1A, which is a review of the literature. And in that literature, you those it's known that there were these fragments of stone that were found in the past. And then that that triggers 103 00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:11.120 a phase one onsite dig in the dirt. make sure the areas that we're going to disturb are not, you know, holding any of these artifacts or containing artifacts. And so I was, you know, obviously pleased 104 00:29:11.120 --> 00:29:27.720 with her price, her familiarity with the site and this process and just sort of at the stage now of like this is a larger capital spend so we need to talk about it as a board and approve it. 105 00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:45.440 What price has she offered us? >> Uh $89,249 8924. >> And this is a not to exceed number. >> So 8,924 as opposed to 16. >> Mhm. >> I I'm looking for a motion to approve 106 00:29:45.440 --> 00:30:03.440 her hiring. And this is mandated by the >> in order to >> get the contract to get the million dollars. Yeah, >> luckily we're not building a trail cuz if we had 25 miles of trail to build then 107 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:25.279 >> I know but I sat at this meeting and these systems are all funded by grandmies. So >> is this not like double dipping not for us but 108 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:40.640 >> no >> for the people doing the work or is this something different the meeting that I sat in? >> It's entirely separate. >> Ron made that clear like Ron and the and the project he's working on with city council >> is funded I believe with legacy money. 109 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:58.720 >> Yes. And so that is entirely separate from our project from from our request for ship review for our legacy money. >> Okay. >> Ron made that very clear to me. >> Well, just I want to read that they're getting money to do this legacy 110 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:14.240 stuff. >> Yeah, he's got a separate project. >> Okay. >> It's interesting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, >> we're looking for a a motion to approve her. Is it Malhalland? 111 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:30.159 >> Yes. Susan Mahalan Duth Archaeology Center >> as the archaeologist that we need. >> I'll make the motion. >> I'll second it. >> Is there any discussion? There being none, all in favor raise 112 00:31:30.159 --> 00:31:47.519 your hand if you will. Thank you. That's four to zero. >> Thank you. And so it's a process. It takes time. This, you know, I'll get the contract signed with Susan this week. She's sort of poised, ready to go. She's got to 113 00:31:47.519 --> 00:32:03.760 file a couple of permits with the state to dig in the dirt. She'll do the phase 1A literature review. We're almost certain it's going to come and that'll go that'll be submitted. The state has 30 days to review it. We're likely going to have to move to the 114 00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:19.519 phase one date in the dirt and she'll be ready to do that June, July or well I guess July now. We'll be on but you know hopefully we have this completed by the fall cuz we don't want this to hold up our contract. 115 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:35.919 The the contract with the state to secure the legacy funding of a million dollars is available as soon as July 1st once all of our items on the checklist are complete. And to me, this is the last item. >> Okay. >> And my goal is to have it complete by 116 00:32:35.919 --> 00:32:51.519 this summer. >> Okay. Old business ducks. Darkness report. Yes. I came to hear about this. >> Did you get your other new business done? >> Yes. Dave. 117 00:32:51.519 --> 00:33:08.399 >> Yes. Uh, the park has a policy of keeping the skies over the park as dark and natural as possible. And to that effect, all 118 00:33:08.399 --> 00:33:23.760 reservations have a little disclaimer at the bottom that says, "Please keep your lights down. Keep your lights to yourself. Don't do anything too flamboyant or dramatic. Keep an eye on your neighbors. Be 119 00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:39.279 respectful. And I don't think there's been any blowback on that. Dave has it. >> No, but there has been a compliment. One of the folks checking in, one the gal checking in just the other day read the email, saw the dark sky statement. I was 120 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:56.559 really happy to see it. >> So, everybody is aware or will be aware that there's an effort to keep unnecessary lights down at night. So there is a sunny skies organization 121 00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:13.599 that has chapters and the local chapter has an interest in this park and keeping it as dark as possible. So Dave and I looked at the map of all the campsites and we marked out 10 spots 122 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:30.639 that would be good examples of dark places. Excuse me. I talked to the starry skies folks and it turns out to do a scientific measurement on a true dark sky 123 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:46.079 assessment uh using a sky quality meter which is a little gadget. You go out at midnight and you hold it over your head and you take readings is kind of a sophisticated process. You have to go when it's after 124 00:34:46.079 --> 00:35:01.839 twilight, which astronomic twilight is difficult in the summer because it never happens because the sunset and the sunrise merge to each other here and everywhere in Arthur here. 125 00:35:01.839 --> 00:35:18.880 And you have to know the temperature and the location of your readings and then take five readings or six readings and discard one. So the process is quite elaborate. I took the 10 sites that Dave and I had elaborated 126 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:37.760 and looked at these sites uh below bath house 2 on the dark side or lakeside of bath house 2. the darkest place we could find, which is behind the water intake down on the 127 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:55.280 uh boat launch where you've got nothing but water in front of you and concrete behind you. Bath house 3, which is also very dark. The lakeside of bath house 4 128 00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:12.079 and the middle of Sweetheart's Bluff out in the field. And I reduced it from 10 down to one, two, three, four, five sites because it was too much work and I wasn't willing to spend that much time 129 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:29.920 crawling around the bathous at midnight, which is an honorable scientific endeavor, but maybe is a little bit interesting. Try try to keep everything goer. So looking at those sites, 130 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:47.920 this is 10:20 and after last month and then again with every month it has to be later and later and later. I looked at bath house 2, three, four, uh, sweethearts bluff, uh, the water intake, and then I went home and did our 131 00:36:47.920 --> 00:37:04.160 own backyard. And I didn't do enough readings to make this to make this scientifically admissible. The temperature during those warm times was actually 69 or 70 degrees. This is what three weeks ago 132 00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:20.079 when we had the huge warm up up here. Uh the readings for light were all amazingly dramatic. Using a sky quality meter which reads in mags per arcsec 133 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:36.880 squared. Uh we got a reading of 20ish uh 20.1 20.2 19.9 20.6 which is incredibly dark for anything 134 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:52.480 within the city limits. They expect to get this if you went out in the woods or you went, you know, just way out and there's no light and nobody. So, I have to run these by the folks that understand these things better than 135 00:37:52.480 --> 00:38:10.000 I. I think uh the darkest place in the park is behind the water intake, which would make sense because it's concrete on one side, lake on the other. Uh close second would be my backyard, 136 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:26.000 which is four acres of woods off the highway a long ways from from many houses. So, I will try this again next new moon when there's no moon and see how it how 137 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:43.200 it compares as we fill the park with campers. But this is strikingly dark and strikingly consistent. And I think uh trying to get these readings done uh most of midnight 138 00:38:43.200 --> 00:38:58.320 uh when you're crawling around bathous looking for a dark spot is kind of a difficult position to be in. But I'll I'll I'll keep creeping around and trying to gather these and then try to average them out. I have no hopes of 139 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:14.800 making this truly scientific because you have to know the uh twilight, the temperature, the location within I think it's like six decimal places and then do five readings and discard any others. 140 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:31.440 But we'll try to try to get some handle on how dark it is and where it's dark. The reason it's so dark behind bath houses is that the lights are on one end and the other side is dark and people don't bother it. Uh it is amazingly 141 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:47.599 black on the lakeside of bath house 4 or bath house 2 uh slated for demolition is amazingly dark on the lakeside. Uh, I wasn't willing to do any readings 142 00:39:47.599 --> 00:40:04.960 within the campground itself because enough prowling around. Surprisingly, the brightest spot in the park is the middle of Sweetheart's Pluff. You think that would be dark, but you get out there away from the trees, there's enough skylight coming down that it 143 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:20.720 actually lightens it up more than the back of the bath house wall itself. But it was interesting and I'll do it again with every uh new moon when it's totally dark and then maybe pick the 144 00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:38.480 darkest or most reliable spot and do a formal reading and report it to the astronomic folks because they like to keep track of how dark it is within cities. There's a format for submission and it's quite elaborate and quite quite 145 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:54.160 precise and I've not done that. I need to get some help in in doing that accurately. >> Is it fair to say that the import for us at this point is that we got a pretty good deal going and we don't want to screw it up. 146 00:40:54.160 --> 00:41:11.839 >> You got a great deal going. It is amazingly dark. uh especially in the corners around the dark side of bathous and you don't want to screw it up. >> So when we get the final report, we 147 00:41:11.839 --> 00:41:25.280 probably want to promote it a little bit on the website, for example. If if we can get this if we can get this formalized uh tighten up the science a bit and then make it a regular report, 148 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:43.680 uh it goes to the uh global review of brightness on how how bright our spot is compared to elsewhere in the city, compared to the IGA parking lot, compared to uh any of the gas stations, 149 00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:59.200 compared to kind of backyard which is for whatever reason amazingly dark. Anyway, >> so we should all go there and visit if we want. >> Welcome to come. >> We should just let you know that we're going into your woods. >> Yeah. It's interesting to poke around 150 00:41:59.200 --> 00:42:14.640 with this. The the theory behind this is that we initiated a please keep it dark policy. We're now doing some metrics to validate that policy and we'll do some through the camping season to see if the 151 00:42:14.640 --> 00:42:31.760 presence of campers versus weather versus haze versus everything else uh makes a big difference in darkness. But at least if anybody asks, you can say yes, we measure and please keep it down. And at 152 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:48.160 some point this could become uh we can pick a point or two and make it regularly reportable as a dark sky spot >> and that would be a good thing. >> Nice. >> Anybody have any comments or questions? Good work, Bob. 153 00:42:48.160 --> 00:43:03.920 >> Well, it's it's a lot more work than I thought it would be and it's much more techy than I realized it would be. We need to get you a reflective coat so people know that you're official or a really dark sweatshirt. >> That would a coat would probably disturb 154 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:20.240 the reading. The sweatshirt would ruin my image. I think I'll just keep creeping around if if I get apprehended with our >> That's the newspaper cover existing >> with with our number of deputies on 155 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:36.079 Monday at night. I think I think it's safe. But there is a project going on in the architect of it. >> Yeah. Thanks, Bob. And I was I was quite surprised and pleasantly so to hear the compliment from the guests checking in 156 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:51.839 that appreciated our >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a lot of PR toward naturalness with migration of birds, uh, preservation of plants, animal comfort, and playing into that I think is a good 157 00:43:51.839 --> 00:44:08.160 thing. You know, we saw some of that feedback in the master plan. I remember there were some comments about dark sky compliant lighting in the dark. I know with you know, Vizook County does a >> Yeah. >> dark sky page and a northern lights page 158 00:44:08.160 --> 00:44:23.920 and there some of the most >> Yeah, there's a lot of marketing that goes into darkness >> and you know, invoking it is one thing. Measuring it and following it, it's a different animal. We'll try to do some of that 159 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:43.040 without getting all messy about it. That's it. >> Well, we seem to have completed our agenda. Does anybody have any order? Yes. Now I declare the meeting the journ.