got the door closed I'm kind open I brought my very own anybody else we go I'll save till it's time so we don't swimming in paper
Okay H all you some of you going to talk to us I guess hello some of you are going to be members of the board just that what happens if you well we you're all board members now sign up
yeah thanks for joining us yet being five after the appointed time we should call a meeting order which I have just done does anybody have any additions they want to make to the agenda hearing no suggestions the agenda
is approved unanimously minutes Corrections any approvals one comment Steve yes uh looking at the minutes under golf report on line five I think it means serving strong beer and frozen
pizzas and not strong and fren piz so the permanent record will be altered to reflect your suggestion anybody object to that I have one don't and that is where where there was the discussion of H of
golf carts yes uh the minutes I think I think I said something about asking Paul if he wouldn't mind doing a comparison of the costs and benefits of the gas and electric vehicles maybe you could add that to the yep the minutes as well if there's no
objection have to keep try to remember who can here one two three one two three four you look like a visitor take that all
right uh with those changes is there any objections to approval of the minutes as submitted there none they're approved business public art request for space Moab Solomon and a poos do I
pronounce it correctly yes yes two okay yes thank you yeah a poem of sublime proportions uh what are do you want to start with the presentation or is there somebody here who's going to we should reflect
for the minute who our guests are yeah Ruth pisaro and I am uh artistic director of the art colony and sitting here today uh because I'm on the SE creative economy collaborative J
creative economy collaborative sh Joan faram creative economy collaborative that's such a terrible name say your name again Joan far thank you I have very bad ears I'm going to correct the cor the setting so I hear better okay
I'm an bratus I'm also on the creative economy collaborative I get that right I don't know CC and then we have our staff Patrick and our other staff Dave okay who's going to start will that
be user I'm happy to yeah I can jump right into that is that the right step sounds good go ahead yeah I I can just take a minute so that you don't have to cold turkey jump in here sure thing and just say that we're in the process this
is our first um serious art deposal and um and so we are we've um built a lot of our process um but um in the process we've learned a lot of things
we've missed so kind of we're clunking along and um Moab um is gracious enough to hang in there with us but I think we're getting all the right places so his proposal the reason we're here before you the park board is his
proposal is um um being proposed to take place in a park in bul and Dave you are familiar with the site you are familiar with the site I'm not what exactly the site but anyway so MO is going to
present his proposal for the site in the park and that's why we're bringing it to you for your um approval and or suggestions and um or help for us in the future to make this process good
streamlined and that we can all be proud of what's been identified as the place it might go Boulder Park which is that open space between the downtown like the superior Trading Post like Superior Trading Post is kind of sits in that
corner but then as you travel South towards the Coast Guard Station and the parking lot with this piece of land known as Boulder Park re the portable restroom trailer sits on the parking lot side of things across from the custard shop but then in the front of that
there's that open space that's there's a little sculpture already a way TR canoe sculpture was gifted to the city years ago on that edge between the open Cobblestone and the boulders and the trees and now in particular we're I
think looking at the shoreline of this park where there's an old retaining wall an old uh sheet piling wall and it sort of transitions into the corner of the right at the Trading Post there's big boulders like a rip wrapping sort of
shore protection and so yes and what would be built there well that's your moment to describe yeah thank you I'd love to jump in um so yeah hello everybody I uh I'm just really enjoying this really long view of you all it's
like a Last Supper uh scene here um I don't know if you can see that but anyway um so yeah I mean I you know I'm here with a proposal you're looking at it and I'm happy to like you know share my screen and go through that entire thing with you um there are a lot of you
know Big Ideas there a lot of um background on myself my professional experience as a public artist and just you know also um working professionally with um the city and organizations um producing public art um there are you know a few slides that kind of just
really give you you know what I feel like is really just the heart and soul of this project and um you know what kind of has led me to this point through like a you know 10 plus year career um specifically working on um projects that are in and about and around and you know
just with Great Lakes communities um but I also kind of you know feel the need to maybe just try to jump in with some you know really practical pieces here you know as was just asked you know so what is literally going to be built there and I know that with the CC we've just tried
to like you know have a pretty detailed process and and kind of talking about the technical and logistical parts so you know I i' sort of would just be happy to jump in anywhere um but I think just for the sake of you know my own um like logic I'm just going to pull up my
presentation so you can look at that with me instead of you know looking at me talking at you here so just give me one second I can see if I can actually share my screen okay okay so you might be looking at uh
whoops yeah we can see it okay sounds good I'm just not sure how I one second I'm sorry let me just try this one more okay yeah it's sort of confusing how I would move from slide to slide here um here let me do this here we go
is that moving now for you yep yes okay okay so I'm just going to go you know um there's a big picture here um and I think I might actually just even come back to that because what I'm trying to um produce um in Grand marray um by next
summer um is you know a really kind of simple piece that really uh gets a lot out of its larger concept and it's something I'm hoping to reproduce over the course of a few years um the exact same piece um the exact same process of
community involvement and engag engagement um and to try to replicate that um in 20 plus communities all around the great lakes that are um you know similar in in various ways to grar
um and uh you know this is the first one that I'm working on uh and I can you know talk a little bit more about that um but you know the reason this is a poem of sublime proportion is quite literally it's meant to be a poem that's scattered all around the Great Lakes you
can see you know a map up there um possible locations where I've done previous work um and uh each of these places would have one line of a poem that's developed in collaboration with the community um so that's yeah that's why it's a poem of sublime proportion
it's coming off of the page and it's living on Driftwood uh and it's uh quite literally circling the entire region as a poem um but specifically what am I you know hoping to accomplish in grar a so um over the the past year uh and into
next year um I have a few pretty concrete steps for how this project will you know come to be uh you can you know see a tiny image there um of one rendition of what this could look like um you know but I just really do need to
stress that you know um it can uh change according to the parameters and needs um of you know all the stakeholders um it just really makes sense when you're you know pitching a proposal to just really give one simple concrete vision of a project um knowing that you know
anything that happen happens in excuse me public space um necessarily evolves and needs um editing and reworking for for a lot of reasons um so yeah I have two grants um that I received for this project um Minnesota state Arts board uh Minneapolis Regional Arts Council um and
uh you know these are kind of uh the the funding that I'm really hoping will accomplish every component of this project um my local partner sort of my my sponsor or you know my you know really my core partner here is grar art colony which is
why we have Ruth here um someone who I've worked with for years and years and same with the art colony and uh you know the public library and um varied other um like relationships that I've built in the community um so the the real simple
kind of nuts and bolts here is um it's sourcing um local uh materials and local language to create a sculpture that's just you know very simply made of a giant piece of Driftwood and uh
emblazoned onto it um you know it might be carved it might be embedded metal um there are you know different approaches to uh you know that component of the project but there'll just be one sort of giant line of the poem um and uh over
the last few weeks um I've you know secured a really really incredible collaborator which just you know really kind of changes so much about this um project and that's Jim cude um who's a a local sculptor that I feel like so many people know um and you know that's a
really important part I I don't produce the sculpture um I I'm not a fabricator um and Jim has that experience so you know without that um it would be really impossible um another crucial component of course is the site and that's why I'm here before you today um in having uh
connected with the c uh back in April um I was fortunate enough to connect with um Richard Olsen um who's a member of that committee and uh you know he has a really long history um with Harbor Park and Boulder Park and um you know we took
a long walk uh and kind of just discussed this project and possible locations for it um and you know I was very open really to just what is possible um I don't feel like I'm really fixated on on one particular location or
one particular kind of approach to the installation but again just to really be able to present a clear strong Vision um I'm really excited to have landed on a site that seems possible um I'm also just you know really um capable and willing to adjust quite literally within
that site um where this thing goes how it physically is installed um Jim and I were talking about the idea of almost recreating a pile of rip wrap you know which is giant Boulders um because in in storms so many times you see something
so similar to what the sculpture is kind of trying to evoke you know a a huge tree that um you know storms and you know Lake Superior um has wedged into the rip wrap that we have on a lot of uh you know parts of that Shoreline so um
there really are numerous ideas but uh to me I just find it really evocative to create something that stands in the air um it really kind of draws attention from afar um the the poem the line of the poem that's going on this line needs to be big so that people can kind of see
that this isn't just a natural item that's been wedged into place but there's something more deliberate going on um yeah maybe I should just jump to talking about the the very first point that you're looking at here so um part of what I'm excited about uh and this is
something I've done with a lot of you know other projects in my practice is just finding a way to I feel like in a sort of you know very genuine way work and incorporate the community into artwork and I think that's a very popular thing that people say and um there's a lot of gestures towards that
and I'd like to think I found you know a kind of really concrete way to make a gesture kind of like Collective consciousness of Grand morray in the area and try to draw something really um core to that and then you know I'm then
mandated to use that piece of the you know community's input into the work itself so you can see in bold here that the uh well the goal is to try to get 200 plus people from gr maray or from the region and that doesn't just mean um you know year-long residence it really
is just you know folks who have a relationship and a presence and who come through um to contribute for words that capture or describe their corner of the Great Lakes region so it's trying to put gramar in the context of a much larger
um you know ecologically coherent region right the Great Lakes is actually one one Lake it's one body of water it's one Watershed um and yet it has so many different communities so many different histories so many different you know economies all around it so to try to give to try to you know uh ask people to
give four simple words that they feel really evoke this corner of the region uh and then to take those words and aggregate them you know we're looking at 800 plus words and and 200 people uh is in a sense uh a statistically
significant percentage of the population it's 10% by various measures of what population means right we know that that that really um changes a lot for summer folks and everything but again it's just kind of an attempt to really be representative um to work not just with
one set of the population but really reach into various partners that you see listed here um and work with them to reach their demographics you know you have um you know someone who works with elderly members of the community someone who works with the youth um someone who
does a lot of outdoors and you know uh like uh skilled Arts workers um of course you know grar art colon is connected to a whole set of populations so um Library um I want to be able to pull from these folks words that I can
then bring together see which words rise to the top and then I'm mandated to use those words in a line of a poem um I'd love to talk more I can tell you you know this kind of stuff fascinates me like how do you build a poem with 20
different communities you know what's the structure of the poem is every line does it start with the same you know phrase so it's a declarative kind of poem and it doesn't need to connect strictly um I've got a lot of strategies you know um through through my own practice and other work that I've done
that I think can really lead to a really stimulating uh you know project and uh product here so this is what I'm presenting uh to you most concretely I think I could just kind of flip forward and just show you real quick in case you haven't had time to look at this you
know I've got some of um my own personal background um professionally um there's a paragraph there back kind of my own independent arts practice I I I both practice you know art and poetry and public art independently and then I also
work professionally in that regard um this is kind of that big picture about how did this project come together um for how long has this been uh you know in development how long has it been a dream um and you know this was just kind of a real rough attempt to just kind of
give some real Basics to what are we talking about when we're looking at this object um I I wanted to share also you know one of the uh um like very recent updates actually is Jim uh found a I
think he said it was like 12 or 15 foot um Driftwood that you know is like accessible and available um and it's something we might just go ahead and grab and hold in his studio um because
it it's seems relatively possible and easy just to do that so we don't lose it um so that we can just kind of have a backup um object and I just was so excited to see you know this is obviously one of the biggest challenges of the project where am I going to get
this thing um you know I've got a lot of strategies about that you know working through Richard working through um Jim working through other folks um my own you know time spent researching putting out a call all that kind of stuff but you know it's it's a big challenge to um
to secure this kind of object it's a big challenge to um find a really incredible talented artist it's a big challenge to um you know be able to make connections with you know someone like Dave and be able to just kind of candidly talk about this kind of work and see what's
possible for it so I just feel hopeful that you know the pieces are coming together um and there's a lot more uh that that needs to of course be determined and uh you know that's what I'm here for that's my job that's this work um but yeah you know you see here that what I'm hoping is maybe something
that's like 15 foot visibility that's pretty big um that makes an impression um not much transformation really it's really basic um the line is carved into it and then of course there needs to be a dactic and you see that I'm rendered here uh it could look like a lot of different things this is just a
rendering um because I I this project needs explanation and it needs the dream and the vision and the hope for it and uh you know all of that you know the map you know something like this being on the plaque um these are really important pieces to making this work um legible
quite literally and metaphorically to the public um I'd be happy to talk a lot more but I've been talking a lot I know maybe I should open this up to questions or if anybody from the C wants to jump in or you know maybe also Dave I haven't really properly kind of um You Know
spoken about the site or you know that's something you want to do you know you you and I have talked about of course the contingency of um you know uh there might be future work at this location that's called Boulder Park right um who you know we don't know how many years uh
that might be in um I would love this piece to last three to five years but in speaking with Jim uh sorry someone talking sorry I apologize I just was talking over folks anyway I just was GNA say real quick in talking with Jim about
the durability and the longevity just physically of this object um it seems very reasonable to to create something that can hang for three to five years and more if possible with approval of
course um and uh uh yeah it's uh it's the duration of the project is in an effort to be able to continue to mount other pieces around the region so that there's a sense of this uh multi site uh
public art installation existing all around the Great Lakes Coastline at the same time you know that somebody could go uh a few hours to Bayfield and see a piece they could go up around to Marathon in Canada and see another piece um you know when you have just that
simple experience of um you know uh like the project even just in terms of like a few components I think that really is a thrilling like manifestation of you know imagining this really existing and living like all around the 10,000 plus
miles of this Coastline so um it's a really big project it's a really ambitious project um and you know I'm just so happy to like actually have a shot at working at it with funding and with Partners so um yeah I'd love to talk in in
conversation why don't you folks add what you'd like to add at this point if anything I don't insist I would just say as this outlines again confirming you know since 2016 as the EC has has been
appointed the Arts advisory Council to the city and so that's where this is all this whole process being built out of so Moab has taken the steps here of applying with the application that's on the city site coming to the
C the C gave a majority vote to his um his project and then it's the public it's the city entity so that's where we're at in the process um I would just add that um as
we go through this is on the front end Moab needed a sponsor to even apply for State Arts boort funding and put this process forward with the state arts boort and that's the art colony and so
his preference is that looking at a public art site you want to speak yeah yeah sorry yeah that's such an obvious thing to say I mean um you know this thing could like live in somebody's backyard and I can say it's accomplished you know um it it's public art it's
meant to be um in a place that's publicly accessible that um people think of as uh you know Common space and and the Commons in general um and you know that's just why it's so exciting to think about the possibility of having
this live um for a few years um in Boulder Park and if it if that didn't happen you know there are multiple other Pathways to realize this um you know there are quite literally like you know dozens of businesses that have um
Shoreline or Shore adjacent um property right somebody could put it in their parking lot um you know I I think it's really a sweet idea to have this object within viewing distance of the lake so that you're really experiencing that Sublime body of water while you're you
know working with this object um but you know Shoreline communities and towns like yours have just so many spaces for that um you know at the very very least it could even just live in front of uh
you know Studio 21 um right there by gr maray art colony um and that's a public space too um is it an ideal space for people to really spend time with art and to um think about the relationship of places that are thousands of miles
across the water I think there's an argument for no and I think there's also an argument for people um you know I think in our time expect and and really relate to public artworks living in spaces like Parks um and you know of course in in your Harbor Park you've got
a couple of pieces um so you know yeah that that's why I'm just really excited about this Prospect I also think Boulder Park is like in a really wonderful way kind of strategic because it's not front and center um it's a real kind of transient space and you know Dave could maybe speak to that more you know I'm
not there every day but I'm there plenty um it feels I really like that it's on the side it's to the side it's not blocking views it's not um occupying real excuse me occupying really um precious space it doesn't interrupt um
that you know kind of sweet Landscaping that you guys have in Harbor Park um there's also the very other side of Harbor Park where there's rip wrap that um you know where there was construction for a bit there um you know that's an interesting space but my point here is is just you know I love the idea that
this thing lives in the periphery and not in the center uh and that someone might catch it out of the corner of their eye and um you know think initially that it's just a big log that's been tossed on Shore and then go explore it you know on their way to the
point or on their way back from the point so it that's why it's I'm excited about that spot but you know this can live in other places and in other ways it's just I want to be able to present an ideal Vision to you I have a response hi I'm us and I
spent four months last summer in that very spot I had a public letter writing park on the deck of Lake Superior Trading Post and I stood there there's no interior space so I was out there every day 10 to 6 and I see that this is Major egress and access right at right
by those Boulders that is a gateway experience in coming into Grand maray because people park at the Coast Guard parking lot and I can tell you what they do they come in and they actually see Lake Superior Trading Post and they see my letter writing Park and here's here's
one problem I have with this my letter writing Park is a New Concept I have to explain it to them I a dosent I'm there every day yours is even less accessible than mine yours is would you agree it's edgy it's it's challenging it's art yeah
I would I mean yes I I agree it's art I'm not sure what that means I'm sorry it means okay people come in here they're walking through that dirt path as they apprach approach the trading post to the left are these colle wait I'm sorry an can I just stop you for a minute and say I really I just
need to say again this is just to be able to present a possibility I I just really fear being intractably kind of pegged to this exact location it it is very much in
partnership with folks here uh I just really need to make sure I emphasize that and I I appreciate the work you surely have done there I just I'm not trying to step on on that project of no I need you to know okay how that land is used nobody at the table has watched
that land as much as I have and that I think if you'd like to challenge me please do but I know how that is used so if you're not using that land that's fine I'm just saying please consider uh I don't hear you thinking of the kids scrabbling over the boulders they're excited they've been in the car
everybody climbs a rock when they get into gray and everybody throws a rock that is it um if there's a fth foot log that is in the way it's anyway just I'm just giving you some feedback of sure a
dimension that most people have an experience of how that land is used and I I have watched it I'm on the bay this year I'm not on the Harbor so that's used differently I'm really happy to explore that with Dave ju I just I'm happy to explore that entire site and think about
strategies for for yeah anyway how do how does what he's talking about relate to what you just said it wasn't clear to me it it's just that I see the way that space is used every day in the summer and it's used a lot it's a major access
point into the city because people park at the Coast Guard parking lot and their families and their people with strollers and they people with Walkers and they use a path that right now would be under this log so we would have to not
necessarily Mo I I get it that this is mutable he just asked me a question one scenario today if you walk that path and if this illustration were there you likely would have uh a log so you're saying that what you're concerned about is that that is
that the structure would be right in the path and the question or nearby is there a place where it can be where would where it would fit exactly and it wouldn't impede the Gateway experience this is a gateway experience to Grand marray it's very sweet and humble it's a
just a dirt path right now uh and if there were you know too many things in the way that would alter people's use pattern you know in in City Planning or Park planning I believe they call that a desire path where people
make their own path where it makes sense to how to get to a place and that's what this is nobody made it this is like a Cattle Trail a deer trail and everybody uses it to get to Grand maray who parks in that parking lot or like the tracks across central campus that went accounted for had that's a desire path
or the rounds on like when sidewalks meet there's this path that goes like this people don't want those are desire paths that's what we have here that's where people desire to go it makes sense who else would like to comment at this point from the seeking
seat I I'm just want to say that the um um this discussion of location came in late late in our process and it's raising a lot of issues so now we realize how important it is to link it
to a location for your approval and um before we bring it to anybody and so we would um like to link it to um Boulder Park or
possibly another location within the um the park Boards of you perhaps or even just to give your feedback to the proposal would be helpful today yeah because we still have to um because we
it's lightly process for us to link the location to the vote we have to go back and vote on this too so it would be really helpful to us having just heard his presentation to really get your take on um his proposal yes please yes please do we
need more information I love your input and did you want to add anything m f I'm eventually I might okay um I did note one thing in the blow chart you have here I think
probably the park board has to be in there between the CC and the city council yeah so we were confused because there right there was talk of both the park board being able to actually vote and not needing to bring it to the
city council or so this is part of this Pro building this process until the uh until the city delegates that Authority for us for this project I suspect we have to assume both us and the council will be involved yeah that
was that's that's what we hope to get out of this process and what are you hoping to get from us today by way of an action is simply to pay attention and wait for something more to happen or is there more to it today um I would like
to hear from you to see if this um um would be an amendable project to you yes please we were looking for a vote I think that's what we're trying to is it a vote from the park board or
just input from I think one of the questions is would Moab have to come back to the park board for a final vote I think we're unlikely to vote today on something that is yet so conceptual uh we know what you hope for with the funding but we don't want the
funding going to actually be until till somebody says yes we're going to pay for it I assume the artists are going to get paid something so he's got funding through two grants and that so so map's project will go through this year no
matter what it will either be installed on public Grand marray public public city property or it will be installed on private property it's going to happen either way and his timeline is going to go forward and that's true for both him
and the sculpture right so so the money that you would be seeking would be the installation money no no I'm sorry I yeah I I just I really yeah don't want anyone to feel you know the I really don't mean to be in any way
like onerous on the city I wouldn't be able to even come here and talk you without funding already secured in my opinion so I've got funding to cover you know for example a fee for Jim sarude um I've got you know the the the grants that I have I've built this project to
fit within that budget um really what I need and what I what I I mean I guess what I would really love is um public support through the likes of committees like yours um the park board the c um so
that it doesn't um you know live privately it it's it's a public concept and it's a public project so um you know this is why I'm trying to kind of go above and beyond and and really shoot my shot with putting it in a place like a park in Grand morray versus you know a
private lot um it just I just feel there's a lot more power you know think about the canoe sculpture in Boulder Park um think about the bear that that really iconic Garay bear sculpture that you have in Harbor Park these are like really beautiful subtle um just unique
characteristics of this city uh that are way more permanent of course than what I'm talking about here but when something lives in that kind of place it's really meaningful so this is why I'm trying to kind of um you know pursue the park um as I can well if you can't get it approved
for the city itself or some private place perhaps the golf course could do it yes oh would love this thing golfers would love this although that does make me think that they would be a great population to
Source some language from so I will try to pursue that questions from members of the two things one I need a little clarification because I I thought you were the CC was coming to us with a
recommendation for installation of this on public property but it doesn't but then I'm hearing that you still have to vote we have voted we just we've got to go back down link it to the location oh and so um we've mostly voted in favor of
this and I have a feeling that I I can't really speak to those who have voted in favor but um I think we will still have a majority once it's linked to a location in fact I think people now having it linked to a location particularly this location
are even more in favor of it so um okay so with that that's as good as I can get I wish we had a specific location but I I'm looking I'd like to hear a little more from you Bab about conversations you've had with Moab about possible
locations right yeah of course thinking through that yeah so this came up in I would say late June was it June or July we met Moab early June yeah early June sort of at the direction of the C you
know there was this like the review and the preliminary where should it go well they toured with Richard Olsen like you mentioned and then was like referred to me because it was our space and so we met at the studio 21 and had this pretty
open discussion took a look at these materials discussed the possible you know either Harbor Park or Boulder Park was really the two that were identified in the initial tour with Richard Olsen which I wasn't a part of but I'm very familiar with these
locations so I said yeah Harbor Park is just too precious like totally it's a SE it's a Scenic Vista it's the let's not consider Harbor Park but Boulder Park now there's a blank slate there's a
piece of public land that's right on the lake that's sort of open for ideas and that it's you know we'll see how it goes we'll see how the park board feels was kind of the general discussion between
us and June was not a any conclusive like it's it's gonna go in Boulder Park it was a if this lives anywhere Boulder Park might be the place but we need to run it by the park board we need to run it by the city council okay I guess I have to ask one more question about the
just the the model the design um to me it looks like it's just coming out of the ground like a rocket I mean is that is that it's into the ground is the idea it's into the ground there's not it's because there was talk about yes thank
you I'm sorry yes yes I I was just kind of overcompensating and trying to offer some other ideas ideally what would happen here with the professional work of Jim sunout of course um you know is this trunk you know let's say we have a 20 foot object a 15 foot object it's
sunk uh stably enough through a footing to where it looks like it's just sticking out like a storm through it into you know into the Earth um but it's secured with for example maybe an iron rod that's secured through a footing there are multiple approaches to you
know sort of logistically engineering this object so that is the dream for it Dave do we have authority over older Park we do it's not the same land as the rest of the park
right it's not the same as Harbor Park it doesn't have the doesn't have the conservation actually bould parked out does that mean we have to get the approval of the people that are related to the
conservation agreement which is State you Minnesota it's a Land Trust the Minnesota okay but again this would be like pending our approval right and so we would we would need to insert in your
bow chart then a request to land trust before we come to to us I suppose that is a land TR land it is I didn't know that I thought Boulder Park was separate from the rest of it's in the land trust but it's in a separate
parcel of like section e yeah [Music] W da I have a question what about the condo owners they're very near this too they would be impacted no they haven't we haven't discussed that okay is there an obligation to because there was in feet
of this if this is the I realize this is not settled but if this space were designated that condo is within feet of this traffic and then what would be people having an art experience that's a you know that's yeah that's a really
good point actually I was going to um if you might if you don't mind me real quick sharing my screen again I just have Google Maps up I just feel like we need to kind of get a really clear sense of um what this space is it it's actually it's fairly large um it and let
me just share my screen again and just show you what I'm talking about um so window again okay here we go so and Dave correct me if I'm wrong but what we're looking at right here th this
whole thing is what they call Boulder Park right correct so you know these are the condos this is the desire path this is where um right here is the uh the the canoe oh shoot I'm
sorry uh that thing right there I believe is probably the canoe sculpture or that's fairly close to where it is is I just it just is important to me to point out you know there's really a lot of space here to work with that um
really minimizes intrusion and that is important to me not just to be respectful but I really believe that this project is most interesting when it's out of the way if if it really looks like a sculpture and it's dead
center it loses some of its impact you know so it's just interesting for me to think about where it could go and that strategically lines up hopefully with concerns that might exist about blocking view pads you know right here right here that there's not really that much of
that um there's less of that intrusion so if I understand it correctly what you're looking at is the generally the area between the path and those trees that are just north or just up above the parking lot there
yeah and you know as uh you're right short answer yes and long answer whatever works I think the thing that you should probably consider is number one placement of it on that 34 acre piece of
land and also the height of it yes and um for me making it look like it's a natural kind of occurrence I don't really that doesn't look this I I understand this is your concept and this
is your art and I get it but it doesn't look natural to me I think a more lower profile piece of Driftwood yeah or whatever mass that you have you know whatever it may be with the writing that you're going to put on it the words that you're going to
put on I think about it being a perch for Seagull you may not consider but it is a major problem we have we're gonna wash our streets now because the seagulls been so
sure lights around town stuff like that so I mean things like that just kind of impact the whole seagull purchase on drug F generally don't you well anything sticking up in the air is going to be nested on or yeah anyway I I just think
that visually the height of it where it's going to be like the canoe thing I know that's set back um maybe a set back too far because a lot of people walk by yeah I was gonna say that yeah could have been maybe
brought up not out in the middle of parking lot but slid over maybe kind of by the path or whatever but that's just one thing I noticed when I'm down there anyway I just that's my first my first look at it is
um you don't want it to look out of place but yet you want it to be visible when you want people to notice it yeah exactly yeah thank you thank you well my question for Dave you know I know we went through the whole master plan and things like that and I don't recall was Harbor Boulder
Park on there at all no and that's the what we've been talking about I think for several years is that this entire area from Boulder Park on South is city land and needs this same kind of Master Plan Community en visioning Community
input on what should we do with this space oh good that's we know we've been experimenting with this portable restroom trailer in the space that's I think proving itself not the right idea but you know clumb the restrooms yes so
fortunately it SS yeah but but yeah right no so so the Rex Park master plan last year was strictly the campground on the Marine of the West Side okay didn't include Boulder Park didn't include Coast Guard parking lot the wall itself
is All City Property the Coast Guard Station is not city property yet and so that's maybe why there's been this hold to plan that entire section of town right because we're all just waiting to find out what's going to happen in the Coast Guard facility and if and when we
find out we get on the planning bus and ask the Community what should we do with this super Prime Property yeah yeah and and we've been dabbling we had the Great Lakes restoration initiative came to us this spring and we did a little to plan
in this very corner of Boulder because of the shoreline erosion and the impacts by waves and climate change right they've like put together a little plan for us to if we would like to pursue we need to fund it and design it and you
know engineer but it sits on a shelf because it's expensive and it's not vetted through the community Millions expensive or 100 thousands expensive it depends on the scale and the it could be Millions if we fix the
breake wall itself and create more transient dock space and do a band stand for events okay so there minimum and there's a maximum one night yeah okay but because this land is so
primed and so open right now I feel the need to step back and plan with the community yeah well we got a lead room for the tourists to walk or park or not well we kind of take
we put rocks in there to take the parking away because of the canoe getting backed into and hit with a vehicle that's why there's big rocks going but I do notice that the pment tables that we have scattered down there two or three four they get they get used
because of the parking and people have children and picks and those kind want a place to go sit so that open space is kind of nice y it's used they being open yeah for the parking and you know it's a
yeah so for that area there though you said Bower park it is under the same rules as Harbor Park so still no structures and things like that no it's actually because of the land trust and section e that it's under does allow for
new structures does allow for change as long as we protect the conservation values of the easement development can happen with with land trust gr yeah you had a comment I thought I I thought I saw your
left schol trouble with oh I talk to myself all the time I think there's a few distinctions to be made one more thing I want to say about the fact that this is a temporary project um fits in with um you
know any sort of planning for Boulder parks not going to happen I mean the planning could happen but it's three to five years or it's not a barrier I don't see this as a barrier to and I was feeling just
the opposite we're going to go all this work you're going to go all this work are going to do all this work and it's going to be gone in 3 to five years my sense is that if we can figure out a way to make it last longer that would be better all you know yeah I mean I would
love to speak to that too it had come up I think possibly I can't remember if it was through Ruth or Ann's comments but um in a separate CC exchange but the idea that of course you know sculptures are movable um you know if for some reason uh you know if this gets approved
it lives there for five years years you all come up with a really exciting plan for Boulder Park and there's a enough of a desire to keep the sculpture going because wow amazing my larger project is actually happening in numerous other communities around the region we can move it you know that's totally great
that would be amazing and and I will say that was the caveat with the sculpt with the canoe sculpture from Wayne po traps that it was gifted to the city the city council then gets involved because it's this
gift and you know per perpetuity that we would you know we own it but we told and you know Wayne was very specific that he wanted it right there because it's the piece is entitled like cing on the edge on the edge of Nature and cult yeah so
he he loved that like interface right at that spot and but we put it on a thin slab that's mobile and he agrees to like moving it as needed it would be so nice if was on a little taller pedestal which would
declare to everybody walking by there's something to look at here you know again Wayne was bit on the found art bus like it's it's best like stumbled upon oh okay I I remember one time I I was there and I don't know if kids had been
playing but somebody had done a really good job of covering that metal base with rocks and it made that piece so much more amazing because it really looked like this canoe was sitting there uh that that was really cool what you've designed to some extent is a giant
circle tour of all the Great Lakes yes would be wonderful for tourism that suggests that at every location you need to tell the world that this is part of something bigger and if you want to see it all just set aside six months in your
life oh yes I'm gonna give it eight give it eight it's worth it six months it would going around the North Shore of lakes of here a little bit more interesting and to that note I Linda um Durk Vis A Cook County was very
excited about this project she thought that with her marketing skills that this would enhance her marketing ability to the uniqueness of grand maray so there's that more of Confidence from visit County as well so today if I understand
it correctly you have our reactions there may be more I don't mean to cut them off but um we can wait we can read your things uh in more detail and that we'll have that background when you come back to us with something that's more final
am I hearing that right I think what we're after today is a yay or nay on Boulder Park for a location I I just and if if it's Flex I mean with the idea that it really can be flexible within that entire space just
to emphasize that i' make that motion to it's been moved that we designate Boulder Park in its totality as a place where a sculpture with a poem on it might go no I was that's not my
motion I what you said no I I think my motion is that we um recommend uh or would accept a site in Boulder Park for this project um
subject to appropriate location as decided by sensitive parties I love it you names yeah does somebody want a second the motion and stated is there any
discussion is there any flexibility on how it's going to look because I think something sticking 20 to 30 feet up in the air is going to be hard sell to people in this community if I understand his what he said is there are multiple ways this might be accomplished and this
was more of a concept than a precise proposal am I correct about that you you are correct and I'm I do have to say in speaking with Jim sarude about the logistics of it and just the Driftwood you know uh it's definitely very ambitious that we would be able to
locate something as large as I rendered uh the power of the image kind of is you know meant to kind of show something spectacular I really expect it to be smaller um as far as the actual you know installation the concept of something sticking out of the ground um you know
that's something I really do want to move forward with and I can give more reasoning beyond that but I would never do that without actual Collective approval from you know stakeholders uh you know at this moment I really think it would be such a huge move forward to
just have a site to then start thinking about the technical Logistics of uh installation and so much more that really comes out of saying okay we have we have you know 50 square feet we're going to think about here or 100 square feet or 200 square feet Steve could I I
was gonna ask if there was any public response toos motion what just the final step which makes so much sense for you to bring up is a contract like that's so in this whole process the next step
after approval is this contract that would include um the things like your your talking about who's responsible for the maintenance how like and that's partly on the
CC agenda as far as having a template having a sample and helping the city to work through that so who you think is going to be a drafting the contract well I think that's part of this process
we're hammering out but it's been on our list to do in conjunction with the city um that correct J yeah yeah because I I really the our purpose is to make to
vet fabulous proposals to create this process that um gets all the stakeholders to buy in and say yes or no and to have something that um gray can
be proud of that offers a benefit to the community so um so this contract would be part of our and when we say contract we're it's not we're not saying you know legal you know several Pages we're just we'll call
it an agreement that's yeah we're yeah right because we want this process to be easy and work well for everybody just remember whatever you agree to matters yes legally as well as everything
else good point good point it does remind me of spoon bridge and Cherry doubt in many app yeah stands right next to the Walker Oh yeah and that's taken me 20 or 30 years to get used to
but this thing looks to pick up the word of the week a little bit weird yeah and maybe changing the angle or the size or the way that Timber is placed would
open up a more friendly reception to it yeah really this is this is quite dramatic it looks a little traumatic and I wonder if traumatic I wonder if it could be placed differently and the words placed at a different angle or a
different you know morph the design to to save me the 30 years of getting used to the spool bridge this is in the nature of commentary not a withdrawal of your second as I understand no I'm commentary on motion and I was just throwing that you
know as Craig pointed out you know seals and things but kids climb on everything and who's responsible K climbs up and kids climb on things kids swallow off things yep respons one needs to give some thought to what's going to be where
they fall or's responsible for pays for it if they someone gets hurt bad and in order to read the poem you're probably going to have to get close enough to it to climb on it oh it'll be big the language it'll be a big it'll be big
language and uh yeah well I I sincerely I genuinely appreciate both of those pieces of feedback about angle just ways that this thing can be tweaked to um just you know work a little bit more within the space and uh not to get Meed in it here but of course in insurance
and all of that kind of stuff is absolutely something that cannot be vague and you know is part of this process if the top is lower to the ground the chances of some child falling a long distance reduce you know what I don't think we should worry about that too much um we just built a beautiful
connect between the park and the community and Kids Are Climbing all over that thing and I'm okay with that so long as when they fall as they will yes they're going to come up with nothing more than a bruise but that's a
geometric structure this is going to be a log at an angle it's different this is an engineering project and it's not being addressed as such um I want to have Jim here and I want to hear about it yes exactly president of
gray who's paying for this and the child who falls off of this or the log falls on the child I'm with children I teach children and I can tell you they will climb on it yes repel themselves off of it and the question is is the city going to be on the hook for the injury or will
other people yeah my guess is nobody here W to raise their hands for it but there might create you know that's an isue issue needs to be focused on that's all nuisance right now in my mind until I hear it's not well it's a it's it's both
attractive and a nuisance so I mean this is not insult I recognize the poetry and the concept I like it I'm worried about the technical engineering details and the liability re that it places taxpayers at I I
genuinely do uh I just I I don't want to prolong it too much and I know you all have other business I genuinely really do appreciate that point it's just you know when you determine a site for a project and you're really trying to be site specific with a with a public piece of art um the site really will dictate
so much about how this actually looks and develops and lives in the ground and Jim is absolutely vital part of that and uh you know I can only speak here out of just like good faith but you know I I just really want to say that none of these issues are uh you know I don't
take them lightly and nothing's going to happen under anybody's nose you know it's really uh it's part of this work maybe you can design some rubber egots for the K on there you go or something simar is it we come here because we
listen to Jim can he come and present I don't know about yeah guess I don't know really about what the protocols are for you know all of the uh parts of you know moving things forward proposal now is there any further
discussion from the members of the board with regard to the motion that's made by our counselor and our other counselor so this would recommendation would just go to the city council and then they right this is a good question I you're acting
on behalf of C right so I met with Mike Roth last week about this and or maybe it was two weeks ago but the the the read I got was if it is a temporary piece of land use it's like the Woodland Caribou exactly oh that was
a wonderful project nobody got hurt it was what was that the Woodland Caribou of Cory steelberg a few years ago that you know lived on the land for a year or two and then went away and so because it's this temporary usage of the land the park is the authority to grant that
temporary usage and his suggestion was that it its location could be temporary even though it would made to last longer yeah if I read that correctly well this might be more permanent yeah so if it becomes permanent and gifted to the city like the canoe or the bear it then the
city council needs to decide on that review and accept that gift with the understanding that if that wasn't its future it then needs to be know whatever the word would be decommissioned you know deinstalled I guess is the word so I gather it would be a friendly
amendment to your motion that we recommended the city council but you said no we don't have to not if we're presuming it's a temporary installation okay never mind which we are I am yes maybe that can ier maybe the one cat is
with the land trust we sounds like we need we'll reach out to them for their they're going to be favorable towards it I would yeah especially because it's temporary right the temporary are you folks ready for a
vote well I have a question about temporary I mean three if this is going to get put into a concrete base right what's temporary when the wood rots away and finally falls down 3
5 10 15 20 years that's to me that's not really temporary that's more per yeah it's a good question about what that definition means and between the work that Jim and I are hoping to do we want to produce something that can be
robust for three to five years and it also feels like at that time a lot more might be known about Boulder Park plans it just kind of feels like that is a very appropriate number of years to call something semi-permanent or temporary
uh I've seen a lot of different definitions for the exact it's a funny uh it's an ongoing conversation in like public art and sculptural work what is temporary and what is permanent I just would hope that in working with something that is meant to last for a
finite amount of time and then possibly me moved uh that that falls within this definition well for me being on the city council I think the city council members whether it's temporary or three years five years I think the
biggest thing crossing my mind right now is the appearance of it I don't necessarily am fond of that appearance for that location and I don't think I'll be the only one saying that including a lot of the public I would look at
something more horizontal versus vertical simply because of visibility and sight lines to the harbor and placement of it going to be a very important thing um how you said big letters big words it'd be nice to know how are B these letters 10 inch 8 inch 9
inch which that's going to dictate the circumstance of the log you're using yeah I think the main goal for the letters is to be visible from a distance and it needs to be proportional to the log um you know what are we talking
about you know is that a 12 you know 10 to 12 inch we're talking about maybe 10 words 10 words that are you know 10 to 12 inches but I just have to stress too I really need that to be flexible uh because of the the found material and
working with um you know the the the actual object itself but I you know I I absolutely want to take your point um and just your own personal preference and subjective you know feelings about what a piece of public art looks like um
I'm not clear you know in different communities that um the consensus around that varies like how that forms you know do you need uh you know a majority of the population of a town to uh approve
you know the color of a sculpture you know where where does that line fall I just I as somebody once it's not gonna come before the council if we we could honestly we could know I think that a conceptual actual here's what we're going to
install here's what it's going to look like oh this is a concept I get it but when you come time to actually install this what's it going to look like I think the council's going to want to know what it's going to look like and we're going to want to give
up just asking yeah I'd like that train of thought that tonight's meeting is maybe the preliminary approval to consider Boulder Park as a location with the idea that okay we got that
location but now we need all the details am I correct that your motion assumed that they would be coming back to us with a specific proposal um I didn't assume that in the motion but I'm fine with what so we're
going if I understand it correctly uh if the second agrees then we're going to amend the motion to say we approve the concept of working with Boulder Park and subject to final plans that will end up
going to I city council your motion that sounds good so I can I canot like the angle and still approve your motion that's great because it does seem a little it's not it's not a done
deal for any kind of Ang not never seen anything like this the [Music] lake you know what it seems to me like is that Thor was the god of lightning
and he used to have bolts of lightning and here we've got this bol of the drift and that is my feeling like you pray I'm going for the Scandinavian Riviera that's perfect not sure you want to turn Jim
son loose on figure it out do need to point out that we've almost reached six o'clock and we have more of an agenda to deal with so if everybody's ready to vote on the final version of the motion as it has been made and
discussed all those in favor raise your hand and say I at the same time please I anybody opposed I see none it's five oh good good job good job okay thank you
all really thank you all so much we discuss the golf report of the city council report of the par report if you like another day I'll just I'll say goodbye here thank you guys very much thanks thank you see you
I'll be in touch and that is this I assume that if we have comments about it we'll pass it to Dave and he will give it to the CC sure no and I'm assuming that the process now goes to the city council I'm
just talking about I'm just saying we just got this stuff and some of us are going to read it and some of us may have an opinion or an idea or a thought and we'll pass it to you guys through him go to the CC yeah parkboard passed a motion
that Boulder Park's approved as a location in concept preliminary approval preliminary approval but the details need to be work out comes back to the park board okay for final approval back Park Then goes to the city
council very good I'm most impressed with the work inv and making the columns for the whole Great Lakes work out and together that's going to be very interesting intellectual and EM come again anytime thank you thank
you thank you Paul for waiting what did I miss a well on a big massive go te I see I I see somebody whose head looks like mine wishes to talk to us Paul time
for the park report if you're up golf report gol yeah the uh well uh since we've DED out here things have been going well um you know we we've had a number of good days here in succession so you know
previously with the uh all the rain stuff we had uh we had our most unusual uh season start up since I've been here so anyway we're we're a little bit behind last year was our best year on my record um has been our best year and
then uh so we're trying to catch up to it we're making a little bit of progress now so hope things continue um let's see some of the the improvements we've been doing we've got uh with our liquor license and stuff we got I mean
we've got really nice selection of of uh Beverages and things like that so people are very happy with that um the Improvement we're going to be starting on probably next week um we've got this big pile of uh Park driveway up they
moved the park driveway up here we've got it right in in in a and then we're going to try to turn that into some uh card pass out on the core so that in the future when we have these wet uh periods that we can still put
cars out there without damaging the course so we've got that's kind of on our on our agenda we've got um I think maybe last time I was talking about our irrigation issues we had uh we had a motor that had burnt out and then you
know we started it the spring it was running but it had had um had gone again you know it had bailed again so we had to order another motor um I'm in the process of uh I mean i' stopped by and talked to Mike just briefly I told him I'm I'm interested in
in pursuing a a complete overview on this uh irrigation system I think it needs to totally be redone it's like it's just it's it's a um really poor piece of infrastructure here and like irrigation is pretty key so um I guess
that what what's in store there would be I've been in contact with an architect we're going to be looking at some different uh different methods here some different uh ideas I've already checked with power company about getting three-phase power in here which is what
one thing we need to modernize the system um he's so basically it's just a lot of numbers and a lot of money and so I think that the idea is to get all this information together in in very complete Manner and
then from there find the money you know I'm thinking Grant something like that so I don't know if that's pie in the sky or whatever but I think that's uh I'm going to try to focus on pursuing that because it's uh it's really needed here I mean we've
got an irrigation system here that's that's we're we're functional with it but it's um it's tedious and it's not it's it's not going to be sustainable so I'm just trying to guard for the future on that um like I said cart pass uh and
uh the other thing uh let's see I've been in touch with u u g Molly Larson I think she's from town there but uh to to help us uh kind of get acquainted with doing some marketing things on social media we started with a gal on that last
year um and uh she ended she she moved we knew that she was moving but she's gone and we need a little bit of assistance in getting uh getting that going that's going to be a probably a lot of work on I'm guessing on my part as far as data entry and uh continuous
entry on the Social Media stuff but um I it's it's not hard to make an observation here that all of we any new visitors that we have here that have you know not known the course was here just simply never came by they really like the course of course so we just want to
get more people out here and more exposure um let's see our challenges this year we've had so far I mean things have been going good but uh we had we've had some problems uh keeping enough uh people in the crew for um as far as our
uh clubhouse goes and we're really lean right now it's kind of hard to pursue um getting help because you know is shorter and shorter um a lot of people go back to school and all that uh
kind of August is kind of Benchmark for all that uh so we've gots for next year and we're kind of plant planting the seed for that already and and see what we can do um we basically got four more weeks of leagues than the
playoff um other other things we're looking at doing out here I mean we've got we've got our our pizza uh situ situation in our hot dogs that's basically our food food products right now um we've had we haven't really
uh sold a lot of pizzas per se to dat but we've got to do a much better job as far as uh trying some methods for for for selling through on the products and I think it's as simple as getting some good advertising pieces up on the 9th we have to figure out something for the
ninth hole just getting you know something where people can look at it and order a pizza they're thinking thinking about it and then I'll be ready for them when they get in that sort of thing um the other thing we were entertaining was just having some casual baseball tournaments with a pizza night
you know just kind of a buffet thing where we're just having uh you know like everybody just pays five bucks and you know you just have a piece of buffet uh you know just get people acquainted to that we have that service here uh so those are some of the things
we're looking at um other than that I guess that uh I can't think of anything that's unusual you know um other than that oh how much water is there in the
pond all of it so it's full right up to the where it is no two years ago it was going dry we had well we had uh you know I'd say right now we look like we're in pretty good shape um
the the weather's worrisome um you know he had a we had a visiting Bieber uh this spr and he built a little Dam up on the end of the reservoir there and so the water came up a little bit and and so we
we we Dro from that water a little bit into our other pond it's all basically part of the same Reservoir that goes through the covert and continues on to the to this to the stream through the ditch and all this stuff I so I don't I don't know the structure the history of
all that but um it's something that you know you can't just block off or anything it's part of the this this stream but anyway the uh we we do uh we do have water kind of partitioned off there so that it just doesn't go to waste while it's in where we draw from
in this holding Pond situation uh if the water gets too high it'll just go out and you know down the cover so we have um we have a we're able to draw from that that other Pond and we have a we have a well that we can um
pump into that we had to do that uh we've done that a little bit now and we've had to do that in the past where we've had uh uh where we couldn't use groundwater and then we we have to draw from the groundwater Source but we had to record how much well water we're
putting into the holding area and not use more than that but we aren't in that situation yet um it's all dry the forecast is all dry and it's ergonomically it's a little scary we get just a few challenges out here with uh
trying to um take care of some hot spots but uh the golfers seem to like it I mean you know the proofs and the numbers they they like the hot dry weather um you know I think our season short and and that's kind of our our
thing about you know our our whole challenge with revenues here but um anyway as far as uh other things we're looking at in the future as far as for improvements Investments that sort of thing we kind of like to get a uh I think they call them splits or whatever
it's a heating air conditioning unit usually put them up in the higher part of your wall you know um and uh you know I think we'd like to look at uh maybe picking what one of those up I think I think we could probably install it
ourselves I don't know but um um I know all that stuff costs money but um basically what you end up with during like particularly the weather we had last week and uh is you just have a place where nobody's going to want to spend any time they were out here golfing but they weren't spending any
money inside or any time I think you had if you're able to control the environment uh better um you know people would be would want to hang out and uh have something to eat or have some beers or whatever you know just hang out so
that eight years we never saw anything more than about 80 until this year and it was 9 something and if we have global warming being real then I suppose one day we're going to have to buy an air condition aren't we yeah I know about
the heat part yeah I mean I I mean I would say that things are definitely trending to to to to more to more warm days we have a we have a shorter season but we have all that same weather as other people have it's just more condensed you know so Paul I have one
question about the marketing and that is uh I happened to run across well I was up there at the golf course and two young women were getting ready to tea off and they looked like they were from out of town and I said are you here for the fisherman's picnic and they said yes and the golf and that suggested to me
that you either your marketing was really good or that it's an opportunity to think about what we might Market in connection with the events that people already come to town for some of them have golfers in the family that aren't as interested in
whatever the other people came for uh maybe a little Fisherman's picnic tournament I don't know uh but that's just something I wanted to PL for you to think about as you're deal this doing the Social Media stuff yeah I think I think that that's my ideas for for
marketing I mean our our big thing here I mean we aren't on the lake but what we do have is we've got the town of grand morray and um you know that's definitely what we want to associate off of and and promote off of and uh so yeah I mean um
makes sense to me I think there's among golfers you know we've got conditions have been good here we've kept the conditions pretty good and so you get word of mouth is good but we really enjoy it when we get new visitors and they're kind of surpris it's a it's a
good good venue for them to golf and so yeah we're just trying to figure out ways to Market it uh different things to do maybe to bring in revenue and and and get better use of the facility any other comments or questions from the members yes you have anything
David Paul I was gonna say this year our basement has been flooded for the first time ever and our house has been too hot for the first time ever and so planning irrigation Downstream looking for those
possibilities is probably a good idea uh I don't think this is going to go away I think we need to deal with extreme so well yeah and you know one one good thing is that this system's really old nobody would ever design a system like
this again nowadays and and uh you know we're able to keep it functioning I I got some pre equipment from another Golf Course friend of mine that's helped us out here but uh you know things you can hang by a string for so long um and then
things get more challenging and but yeah it would be it'd be great if we could if we had a I mean irrigation obviously is a really key component to running the golf course so and my my kid has been golfing and he's not likely to get in
trouble if he's golfing so I can't do it but I'm delighted that you you read if you read sar's novel you have a place for him to play it's a great thing yeah it's a good game it's a good game and you can play it a long time and yeah
yeah and if you live to be 80 you can play from the forward te's change that to 82 you can do that at 82 also just kidding thank you Paul thanks Paul thank
you thanks Paul Greg do you have anything for the city council report um the only thing we covered at the last meeting was the down building was moved think talk about moving it as one structure but I think they took it apart
and moved it as two pieces because I actually saw it Go the road in a half where how it's getting put together the details right now I don't know I just know that got the only other thing on the agenda
that took up a lot of the time was uh the 19 home proposed project uh between Sixth and sth Avenue uh both through Street we talked about
that what's the project again was it 19 individual Ro house type uh two-phase project well I saw something about that and that's way where is it far north above Third Street between at the top of
Sixth and Seventh Avenue that are not finished streets they're there um it's a piece block of land up in that area of town that used to would be called when I was a kid Birch um uh that got tabled just simply
because we progressed along talking about traffic movement and the condition of Third Street being a basically half a street not a full Street and what that might uh what that extra traffic might do to that area so I think we're going
to look we're looking at doing something with Third Street I have there's no definite plans for it right now but I think um there was enough of a concern that that I think is uh part of the whole overall you
know trust of that conversation right now so that'll be coming back again to us I assume there's some motivation on the part of the council to figure out some way to get the housing done if they can um yeah there is um but access in
and out of it is also important to uh relatively quiet neighborhood right now so there's a lot of questions there were a lot of local residences who live in the area at the meeting um
opposed everyone so my concern as somebody saying that listens to this is it's like it should have been more due diligence I think on somebody backbody can they move ahead of the project without the street being
beone yeah city the city says yes but um there's quite a bit of concern about it's a narrow Narrow Street yeah they're they're going to do a oneway uh six will be one way going up
through and coming back down on seven um and it's all rock through there there's no sewer water that can be established in that Center section that I don't think the city's ever going on there is SE water available for the project on the sixth that will access that'll be
moved up and shot straight up between the two so that that that that can be done of course that's all done at the developers expense but so anyway it just got TBL simply because of some talk about Third Street traffic and concerns that the public had
that they felt uh questions wer answered significantly enough at the finance zoning meeting so they brought it of course they show up C council meeting and wanted go so that's we happen Third Street will
be used by some of us who live to the rest of it when we want to go anywhere to the east of it because Second Street is blocked off by that trail you know Second Street is actually below my house
it is a street only halfway through and the other half was condemned it's condemned it's been condemned and the property owners took over ownership of it oh far end of the block on Sixth where they have the private property signs right yeah that's why you can't walk
through there anymore because you can walk through there but it's private land right now yeah it's private land right now it was always a trail I mowed people to walk on actually which I don't do anymore yeah so there's a lot of discussion about
just you know all of that is still kind of out there and I'm sure there'll be people at the next meting too so I it's going to be something that we all well if you need somebody to come to be for it let me know what's going on above lop and Lane
where there's a road coming down from seven and a lot of development up there doesn't connect to the part talking but it's right at the end of set coming down from Highway seven there's a lot of
development above L Lan above the Park yeah what's going on with that yeah nothing right now that was a proposed project by uh is it Skil Mr skildum yes and that was
going to be a planned um individual houses the street um a CI Street which she at I don't know what Happ yeah another anything else about no that's
about all that was on all right Dan thanks for your patience and I'll be brief so July was hot dry complete opposite of June uh you know I was sorry to say last month when I was reporting Revenue numbers I made a
mistake I was comparing like a pre-tax year- to-day total versus a tax outo year- to-day total from 23 to 24 and I just should have known better because what was it 8% up or something I had boasted I was wrong the the 2024 hadn't
taken the tax out yet and so once we did the right math and came up with the right after tax numbers were actually lagging by 1% after the end of July you said June was down 3% 2023 and
then July was down 1% up 1% yep we just ran July and we were up 1% okay it was like $112,000 but yeah on the composite on the gear to date were down 1% so overall snapshot yes occup can see
down Blame It On The Rain yeah Fisherman's picnic come and gone thank goodness we had a great time in the park no one got hurt no major after hour incidences of police activities the
fireworks were great the crowds were pretty good downtown I thought and uh we're all breathing a side of relief no breaks though we got busy busy weekends coming up it's Rendevous up at Grand Portage this weekend it's Labor Day at the end of the month it's radio waves
the weekend after so still a long run yeah another month or so of busy busy so I can't thank my staff enough for staying dedicated working hard you know now we're really grinding because we're getting tired but we're gonna stick to it and keep doing our
best uh the big frustration for me at least is the marina the fuel pump I can't help but see a comparison here to Paul's irrigation system where it's very old it's 20-y old well 2021 is when that system was installed underground storage tanks the
pump at the dock is you know old mechanical computer Wheels yeah mechanical dispenser ver so the pump is in the dispenser yeah it's a suction pump in the dispenser it takes a mechanical reset switch to like
clear out all the wheels to zero and on Saturday a picnic that switch was acting up it was sticking it was buy it's like a little electric motor makes it happen and it was out of commission and I was just very frustrated trying to you know
OD day is a good Supply Company they're out of well they're a regional firm but they have a herming toown office so I was able to talk to a tech on Saturday and do some troubleshooting but not anything that got us up in pumping yeah and so we just had one big boat that
came to town that needed fuel to get back to the loot and lucky we had some local folks that had a trailer that were able to accommodate this guest or we end up putting the boat on the trailer and brought them to the gas station to fill them up uh but I feared the worst because this is one of those like you
come to town on a gas boat and we don't have gas you're stuck in town and luckily that wasn't the case we didn't stack up a bunch of Cruisers OD day came on yesterday Monday with the fix it band and took everything apart and wiggled
everything and got the switch to spin and sort of showed me even though the sticker said do not turn by hand internal damage will result he said well you can wiggle it a little so uh we got it up and running we've already had like three boats
needing gas in the last day so it was like good timing that we didn't suffer too terrible for our reputation and our ability to service these boats but I'm I'm really fed up with this old system there still make those mean PS no no so
to convert this are the tanks okay yes but they approaching end of life so they're like 25 years old in the ground 30 years the industry standard so yeah so we're working with OD day the account manager coming up next week I'm GNA walk
them through like a here's what we should plan for the future scenario above ground tanks which are easier safer new pump and the the big news I think the best news is that a new fuel dock on the east side of AD do on the
North house side of the marina so it's the first thing you come across currently the fuel docks like down at the end of the channel you know it's whoever put that in wasn't yeah it's like you still use a as you're using it now no we're gonna flip like the two big
seasonal motorboats that are on that side time would move to the SE do field adding another do y yeah and this has been a vision of mine for a long time but it's you know contingent on new
pumps new tanks and so where would that tank sit because you're moving we'll have to site that with OD day there's setbacks for buildings and structures and water and hope get change probably around that Noah building you know lake level monitoring
how big thing you had right now too big 4,000 premium gas 2,000 diesel way too want th a piece something to keep it fresh and easy because we don't I order fuel like once a year and you get it you don't
want to go dry no but but this has been a long time work in progress for me and and this this pumping failing is finally the kind of the camel was strong the camera's back and so we'll have more news on this in the future with price and design we call it a catalyst for
change thank you I remember that uh so and this may be a good segue into the budget season right because this is one of those $100,000 Capital Improvement expenses that will be built into our budget and it's that time of year I'll be working
with the city council over the next several months on the 2025 budget I think tonight is just an FYI that's we're in the budget season um and my general practice here as far as projecting Revenue I do like a Plus three% on the rates on the user fees
which kind of sets us up for that rate discussion in the next few mon of you know three five 10% adjustments so just so just so you know I'll be using my 3% multiplier on projected revenue on the expense side it's a lot more fixed
expenses wages are you know 3% or whatever the unions agree to Insurance of course always goes up but a lot of the expense stuff is easier to to project and our Capital funds will remain like heavily invested in you know hundreds of thousands or 160 some
thousand is what we currently allocate each year into Capital expenses we do have that dedicated capital reserve fund within the general fund to purchase new fuel systems and trucks and Equipment um Iration systems that is not a part of
the golf course unfortunately and and really that's going to become a Reckoning with the cost of new irrigation and the lack of of dedicated Capital Improvements for the golf course is is one of those tough conversations we're going to have to have because there's not a lot of grant money
out there for golf courses for municipal golf courses it occurs to me that I don't remember any marketing to City residents lately and I think we ought to do that again got to remind them whether it goes out in their water bills or
whatever U we got to remind them that they can play at our course and they can do so because they're City residents for 15% less unless they're member of the parkboard it's a good idea I got a weekly update I can drop that into with the newslet like a like a
Weekly Newsletter to the anyone who subscribes um and then just the kind of last bit of fun so what's timeline for the gaset you know an Ideal World Matthew like next spring or this offseason
cycle a year that's removal yes same company doing both removing and we'll have to see how the numbers flush out because if it's like x amount it goes to bid if it's under 100,000 I don't have right on top
of my head but there's kind of a public bidding process for you know projects like this but yeah we'll we'll definitely work the numbers and do it as we meet the sooner better next sum so we'll know a lot about the numbers and the design I would
think in the next month or two and then that'll influence my decision to like run the tanks dry versus fill them in the fall because best practice says fill them up in the fall so they don't condense water in the winter time but if we're like going to be switching over
like we got a lot to deal with yeah you need permission from whoever runs the coast to put gas in or out you have to mitigate any of the ground around contamination out contamination I think the things out
which you usually see then they have to report we have to report it doesn't affect what you want to do hopefully not but we'll work with the proper agencies um so we get on the gas oh and the you know the little bit of Silver Line there is the diesel pump still
worked and and I had several Diesel s said I was able to put six gallons in and then this big diesel Tiara showed up and you know Willer run came back to town and we put 200 gallons on him and I wasn't totally upset um but yeah and I'm happy to say
it's back and working for now last bit of fun we I would like to purchase a ping pong table for the r call I don't even need a motion I just wanted to have an FYI and just a general public awareness campaign that we've got a seasonal resident in the park traged
well I don't know about the tragedy yet but he was recently diagnosed with Parkinson's disease at a young age and and guess what's the best for Parkinson ping pong pingpong yeah like the the whole wow you know I
suppose paddle ball would be good too pickle ball as you get a chance to read comments Dave know to pass them on for whoever hear library has the outside now we have two items left on the agenda old business and new business I'm not aware
of it I just want to bring up a little business casually talking about the mixed use down at the new boat launch because it's been tremendous at the new boat launch oh okay SL swimming beach yeah swimming beach yeah yeah just to
talk about it so we're aware that when the water was freakishly warm last week and the temperatures were abnormally High the beach was full of people swimming with inflatable ducky toys and Frisbees and stand up paddle boards and
kayaks and fishing boats zooming by jumping off The Walking people jumping off the wall and swimming across the boat launch channel to the beach and I just like so sounds like we need to have a lot of signs that set swimming at your
own rest no LIF guards maybe maybe on those docks like you could probably like do a no diving kind of thing I think I mean people are going to swim we not going stop that but I know people are diving in and the dock is the fun
thing to dive in I don't know I don't know what the depth is at that do but it's got to be at least 10 feet to be something you want to be diving yeah I have been really to or just what kind of sign should put down there and where and will it be effective I have a proposal
swim start this discussion and that is you want a sign that says swimming at your own risk usually the water is really cold MH if warm enough for you to be there remember there are no lifeguards and you're still swimming at your own risk and there's absolutely no
diving but even so if you're if we're if we're providing a boat launch for people in and out which should be not saying jump there should be no swimming no swimming not at your own risk swims out to there and a border
comes in and it's later in the evening or something or is the message to look for S I mean I mean can't see a swimmer and I Haven went so far as to think of like those like the Suburban
beaches where they put out buoy floats in a box to say like here's your swimming hole as soon as you do that the water got cold then you're taking more responsibility for their safety I i' rather think a barrier that says don't
come in here because you're going to get run over by a boat it's better than enclosure I agree so like no swimming past this point and it's you know to the northwest of the only or whatever yeah I mean I was literally less concerned about the kids on the docks and on the
ramp and the truck deal because you see them and you tell them to move then the swimmer in the Water Swimming between the sidewalk and the beach that the boater is not expecting and can't see yeah right they're looking at where they're going to land their boat and
stuff and that's you any kind of formal action by us on that subject yeah off the lighthouse do they swim off the lious Army car owns
that the ladders have been ripped off by the ice we put out a emergency get out of the water ladder from our collection yeah but I'm de you know I think that log sticks up
too high they put that over the r you get a lot I gotta say this Tomo Timber cautionary caucus recommends that Timber be horizontal I'm not prepared to buy I
also think a gang of artists coming to a committee like this should have a much better formulated plan and a plan of action and not just have artistic free association at your expense because I thought a lot of the first hour today
was a waste of time and I got time to burn I mean I'm an old guy and I'm retired you haven't even read the damn things there was a lot of chatter a lot of chatter that could have been done and owned down before beforeand and then said back I
get it but for some PRS people going to see this when I first when I sat down and you slid this over to me I looked at it I thought crawl on it what will it look like well there it is and I'm thinking forget it I don't I have a tough time selling that to 10 people and
s's kid is g to CL the concept I get I think that if it was more or more horizontal with Driftwood type pieces like this rather than like I mean people then people can walk by and read it um placement is going to be key
where you know in I appreciate you guys patient on this the CC like they I think preface this process as new newer and we're we're struggling through it and yes it's now that we're adjourned I want to ask where
these fancy cameras are are weed front of you I haven't been adjourned those areas wow are we amazing I didn't think we were juring Steve but I can inurance now all right
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