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Part 1 (Video ID: RBdix3LM8LI):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Commences: Agenda Review and Golf Course Report
- 00:01:26: Golf Course Opening Delayed, Clubhouse Staffing Concerns
- 00:05:04: Golf Equipment Purchases, Fuel Cost Concerns Discussed
- 00:07:19: Electric vs. Gas Golf Carts, Cost-Benefit Analysis
- 00:12:11: Staff Perks, Golf Grinder Purchase, Battery Costs
- 00:15:08: Golf Cart Purchase Strategy: New vs. Used, Recycling
- 00:17:36: Analyzing Electric Golf Cart Feasibility, Long-Term Investment
- 00:19:14: Golf Report Concludes, City Council Report Begins
- 00:21:37: Parks Report: Campground Open, Marina Repairs Completed
- 00:25:22: Harbor Shoreline Resilience Project, Echo App Discussion
- 00:31:10: Visitor Spending Data, Reservation Trends, Canadian Impact
- 00:33:59: Fuel Impact on Travel, Fishermen's Picnic Application
- 00:37:20: Grand Marais Music Collaborative Approved, New Business
- 00:38:28: Bathhouse Concept Location: South vs. North Corner
- 00:41:14: Bathhouse Location: Curb Appeal, Campground Proximity
- 00:44:29: Bathhouse 2 Demolition, Site Viewshed, Dark Spots
- 00:47:13: Bike Trail Terminus, Meeting Adjourns For Site Tour


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testify. >> Yeah, everything's Bluetooth, right? >> My pulse. >> So, are you are you okay now? >> Are you backing down? >> I'm going going down to Salute tonight

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to do some shopping. And >> we're on, Steve. >> All set. All set. >> Are we ready to come to order? >> Of course we are. First item on the agenda is whether or not anybody wants to add anything to the

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agenda that was set out. I understand new business we're going to be taking also the uh the second application which was which >> uh the Grammar Music Collaborative Busker Music in the Park summer program. >> Yeah. Okay.

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With that addition, I I also under business had just got a raise of ideas which I will venture when I get there. Okay. All right. So, is it if there are no requests for approval, we'll agenda will

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be approved unanimously. The minutes. Anybody want to do anything with the minutes besides approval? Hearing nothing. are approved unanimously. Golf report. You're here. Paul Jones. >> Yes. >> Report.

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>> All right. Well, we were uh we're looking at trying to open on the >> Can you meet the mic a little bit? Thanks. >> Yeah. We're looking at trying to open up around the 15th and uh be skeptical about that today. We got snow this morning and about 21 degrees. So, and

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it's going to be like that, you know, probably for the most of the rest of the week. I think it's supposed to start warming up a little bit at the end of the week. But anyway, things look the course came through pretty good. There's a couple of uh couple of greens that I'm uh concerned about. It's looks like a

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couple of areas on green number four and number eight may have got nicked a little bit, but uh it's been so cold it's hard to hard to say. But other than that, everything looks pretty good. the the holes that are like in a terrarium sort of setting where they're they're blocked from the wind and they have

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southern exposure, those look really good. So, have to wait a little bit to see. It's too early to call on those greens yet. But anyway, I'm sure everything will be fine. But, uh, yeah, so we'll be, um, getting things set up

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for next week to try to get it open, uh, for the 15th. Uh really the the big challenge uh coming into this year is really going to be getting help. We have a enough help for insight, but I'm really hurting

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on Clubhouse. My main guy is going to be uh is Eric. He's a you know musician and he's uh his brass band. They're doing a European tour. So he's going to be gone for a month in the middle of the summer. So we leaned on Eric pretty hard. So,

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um, so going to be looking if anybody knows if anybody would be interested in doing part-time work up there in the clubhouse, that'd be great. It's really, uh, what we need probably the most. Um, >> what are the dates in this tour? Paul,

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>> pardon me, the dates of opening. >> No, that Eric's gone. >> Oh, the dates that he's gone. He's leaving. Oh, I think it's about the third week of uh of June and then he's going to be

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back uh probably about the third week of July. So, he's going to gone for about a month. >> If your ground screw is good, your ground screw is good. You have plenty of people for the >> Yeah. Yeah. Ground screw is pretty

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similar to what we've had. So that's we've been able to maintain pretty good. I've got one of my grounds people that will help me uh in the clubhouse too. So it's going to be helping. I'm going to need more than that. Um got I know

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there's u one of the young guys that they get off of school and they work for us parttime in the summer. Um did a nice job helping out both ways that way of course last year. I might talk to him and see if he can help us at all. But um

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a lot of times those uh the school kids, it's a it's a part-time thing. You want to come and work about four hours and get out of there and go do other things in the summer. So um yeah, realistically I've been I've contacted some of the there's one one person yet I have to contact that's workforce in the past uh

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that we're interested in. You know, Tony Tony's he was great. Uh he's a professor. I think he's in finals right now. So, it's I'll probably try to give him a call one of these evenings and see what he's up for. Um, but uh yeah,

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that's that's about it. Other than that, we're I think you know, things look good. I think uh we have we on our purchases. We got we're lined up for purchasing the uh the grinders for servicing our reel mowers, which we have

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like 19 reels that we grind annually. And then uh golf carts, we the the course that we were trying to get the cards, their used cards from that that didn't work out for us. So kind of moved away from that. We went back to our

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purchase on the new cards. So we've got um three new cards ordered and uh I think that that has I believe that that gets finalized through the council or whatever the protocol is and then those would take about three weeks to get here. So, those should be here, you

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know, by the end of May, basically. So, that's that'll help us. Um, other than that, we got our old carts. We've got a couple that aren't running. Uh, I think we can hopefully we'll be able to get those things functional.

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Um, yeah. Other than that, uh, the only concerns really, I was just talking to my sales rep for chemicals and fertilizer. I'm assuming that that stuff is going to cost more. Fuel is going to cost more. Um, at the end of the day,

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how much more will it cost on our budget? I don't know. As things fluctuate, usually fuel is pretty pretty steady number, but uh yeah, this year, I mean, everybody knows it costs fuel costs more. So, that might be make

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things a little bit different. We're a little concerned about uh you know traffic that's going to affect uh people coming up to play or or you know what's going on with Canada and those sort of things we worry about a little

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bit but you know we can't control those things and uh and each year seems to be in you know we're in growing each year so hopefully the trend will continue you know we don't so we just try to do our

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thing and people show up then that's what we get a good course. >> If fuel costs are going to be temping around indefinitely, maybe we want to think about buying electric cars even though I know that you're not first they're not your first choice. Well, you

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know, so there's the the old school way of thinking is that electric cards don't make sense for a for a public course because uh you know they have a you can run them for a couple of rounds and then they have to be charged up and uh people

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enjoy using them. There's no doubt. But uh they're um you know we we replaced our batteries the year before last. I think they're maybe I'm confused. Maybe it was the previous year. We replace the batteries on our electric carts and then

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that'll give us about five years with those and we'll have to do that again. And and that kind of cleans us out for purchasing new carts that year. So that's kind of what we're when you're electric carts, that's kind of what you're up against. You're every five years you have that expense. When I

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owned an electric car, I never had any trouble planning 18 holes and having some left over in terms of charge. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> It's more like four or five hours than two, isn't it? >> Yeah. Well, they they should go 27. We we run them for 18 and then and then put

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them take them off because we don't want to get into that scenario if we can help. And I'm sure you know they've gone out for 27 and all that. But uh yeah, I don't know. electric carts. I mean,

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in from an environmental standpoint, those are good and all that. The other the other thing that was pointed out to me was that in our in our building, we've got we're set up for the eight carts that we have with electricity and outlets and stuff, and we don't really

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have a circuitry for too much more. So, those sort of things could be uh involved, too. I know with our with our water pump station when we wanted if we want to upgrade there you're talking getting um triplephase power in and it

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cost this is my recall is pretty good but it's like we're talking like numbers like 40 45,000 just to get hooked up. So these are big numbers for us. Um so in the end really it's it's that's why for

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municip I suppose golf courses just running gas units seems to be work out good >> I suppose gas fuel costs for all the mowing equipment and things like that when you use >> we run diesel and we run diesel in quite

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a bit of that. Yeah. So that's expensive. And um one thing back to the golf carts is that you know the the fuel efficiency on golf carts is is quite high. So we won't feel a lot a lot of pressure from that.

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I don't think a little bit but not won't be huge. But the diesel fuel will be will be probably more significant with our mowers and all that. So it is what it is. If you get desperate for help in the

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clubhouse, you might talk to the members of the board to see if we'd like to learn how to run the cash register. >> It's not it's a it's a fun it's kind of a I know I'm I'm pretty like blah on my presentations, but it's a it's good.

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It's a fun job cuz like people come in and they're they're upbeat, you know? They're there to have fun. It's it's kind of an upbeat thing. So, it is kind of a nice nice job. Would it be useful to put an ad in the paper or on boreal?

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>> We've got that. We have that going now. >> We've got ads in Northshore Journal, Cook County Herald, Boreal, City Website. >> Good. >> Front desk of the park, uh, weekly newsletters. I've seen ads. I mean, we're just about everywhere we

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can. We've got ads. As soon as the club is open, we should have an ad on the counter. >> Yeah. I I have a meeting with that Ron today and he's he's he's not very very interested. He's seems like he's more interested in staying home and working on his home. >> Oh, it's too bad. We did have one

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applicant that I thought would have a little bit of part-time available, but >> yeah. Well, um he said definitely nothing in May and then kind of back treading from there. So, >> I'll keep on them, but I'm not real optimistic about that. But like I say, uh the people that have thought it would

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would be a good job and come in and then the golf course is going and people are coming in. Yeah, it's it's it's a good deal. It's enjoyable. So, >> do we offer people who uh work at the clubhouse to free golf? >> No, >> that might be smart.

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>> It's not possible. There's no perks for public workers. You don't get memberships. You don't get discounts. You don't get anything. Most of the golf courses I know the staff gets to play for free but >> right >> it's not how it works with us. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is there any action you need from

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us, Paul? >> Uh no. No. I think our the most pressing things for us was we got the grinder purchase and the card purchase and I think that I think that we done the due diligence and all that and I think it's rolling out in front of the

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>> council's got a memo tomorrow. >> Yeah. Did the grinder go through? Is that done? >> Council's going to look at that tomorrow and I thought >> and then how much is the battery for an electric car? >> Um about 900 a car?

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>> Oh, a little bit more than that. They're probably about 1,200. And then you have to buy all new cables and connectors and stuff like that. So, >> it's a chunk. >> Pardon me? >> It's a chunk. >> Yeah, it's an adjustment. It's a chunk

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because our our capital budget was like 15. >> Yeah. >> And that chewed that right up replacing those for those eight carts and and kind of took the big bite. I think we were up to about 12 something.

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>> Yeah. How how do you know when they're going bad? What do they do? >> Well, they they start uh they just start failing. you know, you get a get a round out, maybe start failing after maybe one round or they they start um acting like

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a sluggish like a like a filter or something like that. >> And so we could we could have we could have sat there and you know fixed one and then waited for the other to have problems and and but uh we just replaced them all because our we're just trying

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to like provide you have people coming through. It's a seasonal deal and we just don't want anybody having a bad experience. So, we have have a good course, give them equipment that works and that's really all we're offering is golf and carts. So, >> what's your favorite five years and

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that's it? >> Yeah, five years is kind of the spectrum. I you know, we could we can try to run them longer than that, but uh like I say, it as far as a budget wise, I would probably prepare for five years.

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Now on the on the golf cart scenario on the gas golf cart things what what I would have liked to done and things are you know different here because the city has to put in for the the deficit at the end of the year and that

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sort of thing. So getting equipment is sensitive and uh but you know the way that the dollars changed over my term here and expensive equipment like when we first started buying our carts they were

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4,000 bucks. We got you know we have a good purchasing deal from these distributors. So, it's uh we got those. Had we bought a whole fleet of them, we' probably take and turn them, you know, after they're they have a fouryear warranty, use them five, six years, and then sell them. We

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probably sold them for what we paid for them and then start over again. New ones, new ones are 6,000 now. So, um you know, and then eventually if you keep doing that, then your ownership outlay is less. I don't know. that's

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you're in a little bit of the used car business, but uh but you know, those things sell pretty easy. The used cars that we were trying to get from that other course, they had 12 carts and those were 2014. They're in good nice shape, but they they offered them up to

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the golfing public in their region before they let us and they pretty much gobble them up. They bought them. >> So we, you know, they bought them for >> Do you recycle your batteries? They go back. >> Well, you Yeah, you turn in your uh on

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electric carts, you turn in batteries uh just like you do anywhere for a core exchange. >> Yeah. >> If you don't do that, then you pay >> anything for them or are they any value? Old batteries any value or

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>> Well, like I say, uh I don't know. I >> I don't know. It's be another sales. You can't just throw them away. >> Well, they go back. They go back. We the people that we purchase them, we return the old batteries to them.

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>> Yeah. >> And they recycle them, however that's done. >> I don't I don't know if anybody's into there's a market for selling used batteries. I don't know. >> But, uh, you know, that's nothing where we've explored at all. But, uh, yeah, used

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golf carts you can sell. Uh, we could probably even sell those terrible ones that we have now for something. But like I say, um, the way it looks like we're going now is we're just going to buy carts and run them for 20 years and that'll be how it goes. And we just buy

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a few a year, that sort of thing. But I don't know. Um, like I say, it's not my money, you know, so we just try to do it as uh as it seems as it seems possible. So stay within our budget numbers and

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all that. >> Okay. It it it occurs to me it might be worthwhile to have somebody with sufficient knowledge do an analysis of what would happen if we spent the money to to be able to have more electric

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carts whether there would be any any savings in there either not just to the environment but >> what what kind of information do you want Steve? I think we've already made the point that we don't have a charging infrastructure in the shed. >> I the question it would be if you did it it would be a long-term capital

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improvement and something that you know you would analyze over 20 years not five. >> Well, I can I can talk to the rep and see if there's any points pro or con that he wants to inform me about. >> Okay. That's I just wanted to raise the

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question in terms of having the analysis done more tightly and in terms of the long-term capital investment. >> Yeah, I think from from my analysis, if we could have electric carts, I'd get electric carts. it just doesn't seem um

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economically feasible for us in in our public's uh >> well that's the question that that I raised is whether if the analysis looks over a longer period of time whether it get becomes more economically feasible that's all

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that's what we need to do today but sometime between now and the next time we buy carts it probably be worth doing a tighter look >> yeah we can run some numbers on that and look at that just Just a note. Sure. >> Okay. Is there anything else that people

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want to raise with regard to golf? Anything else you want from us, Paul? >> Not that I can take that. >> Thank you for coming back. The tread line for the course has been good since you've come. I hope that the tread line continues. >> Thank you. >> The next line on the agenda is the city

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council report, right? >> Yeah. We had a meeting on uh April 2 and 22nd. Um we had a presentation by the library department. They gave a report to us on the library. And if you want to watch that whole report, I would just have you

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look online and the city council meeting. They updated us on how the library is doing and all the ins and outs of the library for the upcoming year. um plan planning commission got a new

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member on that that'll be um Kelly Swinganger is going to be on the planning commission. So I think that they open it they filled up the planning commission which is nice. We're still looking for a member to sit on the PUC.

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We're short one person on that right now. Um notice of award. We ordered on a reward of the um improvements to Third Street that'll be getting done by KTM paving

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and that'll start I guess one of the low bands come off I guess as soon as I can get that started. Um let's see what else did we have? Uh um city went through a process of um

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revised job descriptions. So we've got different job description revisions of various jobs within the city. And so we we approved those new um

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guidelines for those jobs. Um, what else do we have? I think that was pretty much everything. Um, >> any comments or questions on the city council report?

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>> Then I believe we're on to the parks report. >> Good. Thanks. So, everybody's got a copy of my report sent out yesterday. Hope you got a chance to see it. We're on track to open. I think is the big news. The good news tonight is that it's May 5th. We've been open for 5 days and

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water and bath house service and had some pretty good activity over the weekend. It was pretty good weather and maybe saw 20 or so campers. A few seasonals were trickling back in. You know, the summer folks are returning. So, it's it's on. We're open. Bath house

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number one above the marina. Number four across from the ball field currently open. The RV dump station is open and uh everything came back to life in good shape. Like no major water leaks, no major bath house mechanical issues and so we're feeling

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pretty good. Seasonal staff has started, select seasonal staff, probably just a handful custodians and maintenance workers. And uh starting this weekend, we'll be seven days a week office hours, 8 to four generally this time of year until leading up to Memorial Day weekend

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where like the Thursday will be 6:00 and Friday night will be 8:00 as we go from practically empty to full on Friday of Memorial Day. So yeah, full house for Memorial Day weekend. The Grand New Bike Race obviously drives that quite a bit

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with the tent campers, tentters showing up for that bike race. So, it's it's uh it's got a couple more weeks now to get things ready, you know, deep cleaning the other two bathous and out on the site picking up sticks and trash and dog

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poop and so we're on we're on it. Uh the marina is actually in really good shape. I guess I skipped that first part. We've been had some good weather in April. Got to do ducks midappril. Started dealing with the bent pipes, the broken pieces. Not as bad as we had initially

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projected. We took all the boards off, looked at all the fasteners. Tough docks, aluminum docks. Really tough. I think designed deflex a little. And most of the pipes that were bent, we're able to extract with some just good

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oldfashioned back power, manpower. And so we didn't have to bring in a big expensive crane. Uh, we got the two broken finger piers that were on a dock. Disassembled from the main pier, blow them over next to the bulkhead. Had Greg Olsson come down

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with his truck crane, got them out of the water. A week or so ago, Brad Jr. welded up the two ends. They look really stronger than new. And tomorrow, uh, replacement floats arrived. The black plastic foam filled floats that ended up

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having four cracked ones. So, we've got replacements on the way as well as a few spares for future repairs. And so, really good news there. I reckon total all-in pricing on damages 5 to $10,000.

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I'm still waiting for receipts for the crane, the welder, and the floats. But, yeah, it's going to be well, I would say well under $10,000 for repairs. So, we may not make an insurance claim, right? We've been talking about that internally. It's it's a $20,000 deductible. So we don't feel like we're

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getting even come close to that or whether or not it's like a stacking amount where like later on in the season if something happens. >> Yeah. >> So we're working on that behind the scenes. But fuel docks in place actually put 120 gallons on a boat today. We're

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open in the marina as far as service for transient boats. Pump outs open. We're in a really good spot. Let's see. So, a week or so ago, or was it a couple weeks ago, we had that Harbor or Boulder Park Shoreline

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Resilience Openhouse. Gosh, I guess that was more than a couple weeks ago. May or April 13th, I think it was. Anyway, we saw a few of you there. >> Was right here. >> Yeah, was right here. Very small crowd, handful of people, maybe eight, I think, signed the sign-in sheet. We got six

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comment cards. We had three alternatives for review like to stabilize the shoreline, control shoreline erosion, wave action on that northeast corner here up by the trading post corner. And you know, one of them was just a improved sheep piling dredge, more boat

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parking. One of them was like rip wrap revetment with vegetative buffers. And then one of them was kind of a hybrid both the sheep piling extension and the revetment and the buffer. And I think working with Stantech engineers and the

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the coastal grant people, we've kind of moved towards that hybrid model. We like the idea of the rip wrap and the vegetation in the extreme northwest corner where the waves are the most impactful and there's uh potential coaster brook trout spawning grounds. So

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we want to, you know, be sensitive to that. But then as you transition down, as you move down the wall to the south where we already park boats, we know that sheep pil is going to be needing repair and replacement and possible extension heightening. So um the the

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whole goal here is just to really get some good data to use when it comes time to master plan the entire point because we know that's needed when and if the Coast Guard station comes under city control. Uh we've got a chance to really take a look at that whole area. The

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parking lot could or should be redone. It's no longer needed for truck trailer parking. The boat launch is now officially across the bay. And so this is really kind of a smaller piece of shoreline stabilization in that northwest corner where waves tend to roll in on the big storms. We've got

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some good wave analysis and some good modeling and we know some of these solutions would be effective. So Stantech's going to work that into a 30% complete plan which is far from detailed or spec or engineered or any kind of

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maybe some super rough cost estimating around it just for the sake of funding applications but um yeah just good data to have as we move forward on the entire Boulder Park Coast Guard point area.

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Questions on that? So, I don't know. I sent out that QR code for the Echo app after last month's meeting. Did anyone have a chance to go and demo that? >> Oh, great. We're looking for feedback. What do you think? >> Um, yeah, it feels like a long time ago.

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Um, but yeah, I mean, I think it's cool if it's non intrusive, you know, whatever signage or that kind of thing down there. >> Yeah. >> See, it just seemed environmentally Respectful,

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you know. >> Cool. >> Yeah. What' you think, Bob? >> I just listened to what you said. >> Oh. >> Oh, the video. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you didn't get that app on your phone? >> I didn't go down. >> That's fine. No, that's fine. James has

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been super busy lately. He was involved with like the May Day parade down in Water Park last Friday. So, um, he apologizes or he just hasn't been able to commit to making the sign, getting a a draft for the sign for us to review, but we've been doing a little emailing

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back and forth. And at this stage, he's really just looking or hoping for feedback or suggestions for what to put on the sign. If there's anything that comes to mind, let me know. Email me. And the size. And I and we both agree like probably less is more, smaller the

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better. 12 by 18 would kind of fit in with the like the on the dog bag those dispensers right now. We've got an opportunity I think share those with the signs. >> And how many are there signs? >> Yet to be determined. Probably like two

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or three maybe on either like the dog dispensers are two. There's one like on the east side right across from the trading post and then there's one kind of central like near the pine tree. So maybe there could be a third like on

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the west side as you enter like across from the harbor end. >> If I understand it correctly, this is sort of an optional listening thing by somebody who connects to it through their phone. >> Exactly. So it's that's probably worth emphasizing in the science summer that you know you can

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have music that's not intrusive to the rest of the world. >> Yeah. And it's more than music. It's you know spoken word and history. And so it's that's what he's trying to get right on the sign is like it's a QR code in essence that you know when you scan

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it it is going to download that app. It's a special app that needs to be installed on your phone. So that's where the sign needs to be somewhat instructional of like how to use this, how to, you know, this is what this QR code is. So it's a little bit tricky,

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but we're working on it. We'll have a draft signed soon. No rush. It's there. It's on now. Feel free to >> like Kate, you know, take a take a stroll. Open the app. Did you have any issues with like the download or the

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>> allowing notification? I mean, it's kind of the same thing. Anytime you load an app, it needs to know like can it access your this and that. You're it has to access your location. >> Yeah, I'm okay with that. >> So, it was a pretty smooth process for you. That's good. That's what we're

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hoping for. >> And then finally, we just got a word from the GMRPC, the the regional parks and trails commission. that's, you know, in charge of regionally significant parks. They're on a mission this summer to gather quantitative economic spending

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gather visit a visitor spending is um I think just for the sake of justification of funding, right? They are like a branch of the state legacy funds and so the more data they can amass on economic

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impacts of regional significant parks, the better for future funding. And so uh we ourselves will be conducting visitor surveys like personal paper copies. I can I'm kind of pledged to do one a day uh through our front desk

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signing system or I I'm always out and about on my bike. So I would have no problem with like asking people you know you know how many times you come to the park, how much do you spend, that sort of questions. We also have QR code posters that take people to this survey

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and we'll put those up like in the bath houses and the front court board and down at the marina and we'll do the best we can for them because obviously they're our partner now. They're significant funding source for our bath house project. So when they asked if we

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would participate I said of course and silly little side note but one of my first park jobs in college was doing visitor surveys for Henipin County parks. on their cross country ski trail. So, I'm not afraid to go up to strangers and ask them what they think.

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So, yeah, it feels really good to be open and uh with staff back, it's going to be a good year. We've seen a significant amount of cancellations, whether be the price of gas or just the cold weather, especially May, early May cancellations are kind of 50/50 right

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now. Some people are making it. A lot of North Health students are taking advantage of our location, but then a lot of folks that just are from the south and check the weather and it's 31. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But trending, you know, strong as

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far as reservations through the peak of the season remain quite strong. Like I think we're up about 15% on last year's numbers. I wonder if there's any wisdom available to us about what the impact of the of

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the fuel prices and the diesel prices going up so much and bouncing around. Uh whether anybody has anybody has any notion as to whether it's going to increase or decrease our attendance. >> I've heard it both ways, Steve. Right. Because you won't travel, you know,

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airfare is really expensive. Driving out west is going to be expensive. So, we've seen this in the past. We've kind of weathered that storm with that plus and minus where like, yeah, the guy from Texas might not drive up to see us, but the people in a noa are going to

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come up, right? It's like a maybe a double-edged sword where the the idea of a station where you stay close to home and spend less on those. >> I wonder if your survey could include a question about that. Yeah, you know, I haven't looked that close at the what they're asking, but we can we can always

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ask that without the survey like and I I see that in our who's coming from where you can >> Did the price of fuel affect your decision to come or not come, you know, something like that? >> For sure. The Canadian situation has, I think, proven itself to be a not a good

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sign. like the the lack of Canadian visitors over the last summer, the previous summer, we were kind of brushing off as a no big deal. But when I see some of the numbers from the border itself where they keep statistics on you know can you know Canadians

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coming down and it's like 50% less and it just it can't help but think like that's hurting our bottom line and that is really hard to do anything about it. It's kind of what Paul says it is what it is

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>> but we'll do our best. The weather's got to be hot and dry and That's what we count on. >> Maybe it would help to tell the Canadians that Trump doesn't do very well in this company. >> I'm not going there. >> I want to check on the fuel data

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station that I >> Yeah, >> I didn't really see gall decrease, but I did see larger vehicles decrease. You know, people like you said, they took vacations, but they didn't travel 700 miles.

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>> Mhm. >> You know, got a lot of more closer people. They still traveled and visited, you know, and didn't stop it. >> Yeah. >> But they didn't drive as far. So,

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>> anybody else is there any more from your report? Anybody have questions or comments that haven't already been made? Okay, we need to save some time for our uh for our tour of the back house locations. Uh we have two special event

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applications. Um the first on my pile here is from the uh fisherman's picnic. I assume this is much like prior years. >> Yes, sir. >> Do you have anything to tell us about

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it? >> Okay. Does anybody have any questions concerns about it? >> Was the power okay last year? >> Power was great. Underutilized if I if I lost power at home on Yeah. >> So no complaints and

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>> no complaints and capacity to grow. >> Okay. Great. >> All right. So u chair will entertain a motion to approve the application of for fisherman's vic. >> Is there a second? Second.

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>> Any discussion? All those in favor say I. Raise your hand at the same time. So we can >> Excellent. Five. >> All right. The second application is from the Grand Marray Music Collaborative and Busting Performances.

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I gather this is again similar to what we had last year. >> Exactly. >> Um is there anything more you want to say about it? No, it's a great program. >> Anybody have any questions or comments?

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No. Again, I'm looking for a motion to approve that application. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Oppose. Same sign. There being none, it

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passes. Okay. any old business other than the site tour. >> You had some new business. >> I I already raised it in connection with your report. That was the the long-term economic effect of the fuel prices.

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>> Before we adjourn, can we sit here and look at this indoors where it's warm? >> Yes. >> What's that? >> Yes. >> Can we look at this indoors where it's warm? >> A little introduction to this would be useful. >> Yep. happily. Happily. So, um yeah. So,

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this is a concept. This is a concept we submitted with our grant application for the bath for the new bath house, a customuilt new bath house. Approximately 15,000 square ft. Um which you see is like a 30 by 50 there. There's the

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overhangs that would I imagine stretch it to more like 40ish as far as width goes. You know, there was easily a five or sixt overhang on these. So, let's call it 50 by 50. I've got a couple of locations down at the park right now we

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can go look at soon as and I put out some little sticks to portray a 1500 foot building. And what we're really thinking about or what we're looking at is which side of the road, which side of the corner to put it on down in the end

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of the road as you make your way to the boat launch. Right before that is the group one corner we call it. Right. So it's across from the pavilion to the west of the pavilion. There's a group camping site there. There's some pine trees. And you see I made us some just

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some quick notes on your sheet of the revenue from that corner. And I was wrong. I think a couple months ago I said, "Oh, that group said it only makes a couple thousand." And it made $6,000 last year approximately. And so keep

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that in mind. On the other side of the road, on the north side of the road is the active campground where we got RV sites, full hookup RV sites, higher value sites because of the proximity to the lake and full hookup electric water sewer. And you can see I've I've, you

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know, run the numbers on the six sites that I believe would be eliminated if we were to site the bath house on the north side of that corner. Sites 122 through 127, right? With six sites total, we

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made approximately 37 $38,000 off those sites last year, right? Each site averages about $6,000 a site. >> So that aren't for the $6,000 site. >> I know. It's like, should we just say, >> how much farther away from people is the

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$6,000 site? >> It's not a piece. >> Yeah. Like that's what we go look at now. >> Okay. where it's it anything it's more appealing, obvious front and center on the south side on the group one corner.

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A bath house structure there is going to be no doubt more popular and useful for day users and pavilion users and boat launch users and beach swimmer users and just the general idea that this is a

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bath house for anybody down on that corner beach area versus the north side. It's going to look a little more tucked into the campground itself. Right. It's it's just how the you'll see the trees and the landscapes down there. It's

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going to make it look like maybe I got to be a camper to use this bath house. Maybe not. I mean, people are going to have different sensitivities to it. But yeah, part of this location is curb appeal view from the harbor, view

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from the campground. Um, and it's it's, you know, there's some pros and cons to the either side of the road. If it's on the north side, it is a little more tucked in. It's not so front and center. You probably wouldn't see it as obvious from like across the

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bay even or on the water. But, you know, is that what we're going for? We want people to feel welcome and have a comfortable bathroom when they're using the beach and they're using the pavilion and using the boat locks. That was part of the strategy for pitching this to the

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parks and trails folks is kind of this is more than just for the campers or the day users and the dog walkers and if it's on this group corner south corner it seems to be more inviting to that or more appealing more obvious north side's

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more tucked into the campground like I say definitely impacts those six sites as well as surrounding sites and you can get that sense of just seeing how the other bathous function. Now like bath house 4 which is down that road across from the ball field. It's a 1500

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square foot bath house. It's kind of the reason and you know said it's a pretty good size bath house. It's a just right. So we use that bath house for footprint to to plan this new one and the number of fixtures and all that match. And yet

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it's it's a bigger building that you wouldn't want to be camping right next to. And in fact, we have a couple sites that are the closest to those and they're not popular or if they people take them, they don't like the traffic. They don't like the hand dryers blowing

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in the night. There's doors banging. There's it's just a busy thing to have next to any >> We should reserve those sites next to the bathroom for men over 80. >> Well, we do feature them as ADA sites. It's a good point, Steve. They are like accessible sites that we sell to people

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that want to be close to a bath house, need to be close to a bath house and and you know can roll into the bath house from those sites. >> So, but the one question that maybe we want to think about is what will the view be like for the people in the in

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the campground once the building is there and do we care whether it's about it? >> Well, shall we go have a look? Well, I just have a question about um are we taking one down >> eventually? Bath house 2 will be demolished

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>> which is which is close to the office >> just under the office. >> That would create some extra camping spots. >> Two to three nice sites, high value sites will be replaced in on that block. And if it if this was on the group one

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site, it would be close enough to all >> sites on the east. >> It meets the restrictions for >> Yeah. So there's that 400t radius. >> It's in that radius. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I looked at that. I was wondering what that table was. >> Yeah. It does. Even on on either side of

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the road, there's a there's just the tiniest gap of coverage sort of down right under where bath house 2 is now of like four or five sites that are that are outside of the ring of bath house one three which is to the west over by

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the wreck hall >> and then where this new one would sit down at the end of the road. >> But the long-term sort of master plan addresses that by rebuilding bath house 3. to on the east side of the road that it's on now,

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>> right? Like moving it to the east several hundred feet, then we get a, you know, ring of coverage for those four or five sites that wouldn't be covered with this scheme right now. >> That said, the four or five sites that

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aren't covered are like front row full hookup sites >> that generally don't need support. But from a you know department of health permitting you know licensing perspective

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we need to respect those 400 foot radi but we currently don't have that even so so in our present setup and we're licensed we're grandfathered in bath house two and three leave a gap down on this corner that we're going to go look at

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>> of like 15. >> They're too far from both of those. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So 122 and 133 127 those sites are those those they're not prime sightes but are they sought after sites in the corner because of good view and

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>> 22 and 23 are on the corner with views >> and big rig friendly like easy in easy out. So those were making like close to7,000 a piece. But then as you move in they get smaller, less of a view, right?

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>> Are we ready to go look? I think the incursion on the view of the sighting matters a lot. You know, big building on the point, nothing surrounding it, nothing between it and the lake. I think

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you may lose some money but it might be a better sighting to pull it in. Second thing is the bike trail ends up u close to bath house 3 and as that is rebuilt the possibility of a more formal DNR

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bike terminus as part of that >> needs to be kept in mind for the next >> next iteration >> and then don't over this thing you know uh low lights downward pointing all the good stuff because if you lit this up

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like the IGA store at get to the point it would not be a good thing. >> Yeah. No, there's no overhead lights or >> Yeah. >> You know, pedestal lighting. >> I'm going to start my problem with the dark meter. Just want to >> try it out at Bath House 4. >> Going from going from place to place

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lights and uh there are some pretty light spots and some dark spots. >> Mhm. >> You don't want to lose the dark spots. >> Mhm. >> Is everybody ready to go back to tour? It's 5:35. I'm going to have to do a little quick putaway of the tech, but you guys can head down there now, like

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park at the pavilion or on the group corner and I'll be there like not too far behind you. >> And so what did I talk with Mike about? As far as the formality here, we're not going to be televised down there. So we're not going to make any motions or

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do any business talk. >> Yep. >> Okay. Well, that'll be fun. we can bring it all back down to June meeting. If we do decide that the southside is a good deal or a better deal, you know, however we look at it, we'll have LHB like remap

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the concept map to portray it on the south and then make a motion to to move forward with that at the June meeting. All of the things being equal, it would seem to make sense to have the long side toward the lake rather than wide.

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>> Yeah, I think that's how I stick it out. But >> the siding and the viewshed of the other sites are really important. >> Yeah, one lighthouse is enough. Let's think >> behind the boat.

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>> You don't. >> Okay. >> Why not? Give me your mic. >> I remember we had a >> mic was down there at one time, too. >> I didn't I didn't say it didn't used to be worse.